From thelist at lists.evolt.org Mon Sep 2 00:02:01 2002 From: thelist at lists.evolt.org (Tip Harvester) Date: Mon Sep 2 00:02:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Aug 26, 2002 Message-ID: <200209020501.g8251EXo021767@leo.evolt.org> The tip harvest for the Week of Monday Aug 26, 2002 has been added to the lists.evolt.org site. Get it at: http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/show/c/Week-of-Mon-20020826.html Week at a glance listing at: http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/week/c/Week-of-Mon-20020826.html Search the tips at: http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/search/ Harvest Summary --------------- Number of messages: 519 Number of tips : 14 Tip Authors ----------- .jeff (1) Adam (1) Burhan Khalid (1) chris parker (1) Frank Marion (1) Insisaps (1) Jay Blanchard (2) Liam Delahunty (1) Pat Meeks (1) rudy (3) Tim Luoma (1) Tip Types --------- additional mysql resources besides mysql.com (1) Browser Checking (1) Browser Checking with Opera (1) browser testing (1) css and IE 6 (1) DHTML (1) documentation (1) Easy Win Outlook Express Backup (1) Internet Explorer Goodies (1) logical AND and OR (1) Personal Privacy (1) SMTP Servers (1) sql (1) From framar at interlog.com Mon Sep 2 00:48:01 2002 From: framar at interlog.com (Frank) Date: Mon Sep 2 00:48:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Really stuck w/browser discrapancy Message-ID: <103439034788.20020902014650@interlog.com> I've been trying to figure this one out for about a week, I wonder if someone can point me in the right direction. I have a couple of divs overlapping in IE and Opera. The top div is 8em high. If you check out my site , you'll find that Moz renders everything beautifully, even going so far as to flow the content div down when text is resized. Opera and IE keep the content div exactly 8.5 em at all times. I want 2 things: a) For the content div to remain 1 em below the title div at all times b) for the div to slide down as the title div grows (it's relative, in ems) The layout sheet is "layout-NS6Moz.css". Sure would appreciate any insight and workarounds on this one. Thanks. -- Frank Marion, framar at interlog.com From Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com Mon Sep 2 01:42:01 2002 From: Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com (Stevenson Ngila) Date: Mon Sep 2 01:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Javascript if...or statement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: try this:: function checksubmit() { if(document.Job.VersionType.value == "" || document.Job.LFproduct.value == "") { alert("Please select a Version or Plug-In") document.Form.VersionType.focus() return; } -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Stephen Caudill Sent: 30 August 2002 18:01 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Javascript if...or statement Here's a javascript question: I am performing some validation on a form and want to make sure that at least one of two select fields has been chosen between. The select fields are being generated via an array in ASP, one a product version and the other a plugin version. As this is a support request form, I need to ensure at least one has been selected from. Here's my attempt: I think this must be an improper use of the logical "or". Can someone advise me as to the correct way to do this? Stephen Caudill Web Designer Municipal Code Corporation www.municode.com www.mccimaging.com -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From falieson at faliesonsworld.com Mon Sep 2 02:05:00 2002 From: falieson at faliesonsworld.com (Falieson Prince) Date: Mon Sep 2 02:05:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] flashing html Message-ID: <000801c2524e$db992a10$52608cac@your9id4oqkvbf> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I am working on creatin ga new version of a website for myself... yet i am having some troubles with a certain idea of mine. I want to have my flash over my website, as you would a template a piece of paper. I would like to have my website be a layer in my flash site... (http://lan.faliesonsworld.com/beta/site.html) the black area inside the flash is where my website would be. clicking on a link to the left would just be like clicking the link in a frame.. and would just change the website in that area... not forwarding teh webclient to another site, but my whole website running in that one place. I do not understand how to do this. I dont know if its even possible. Yet my friend said that you where the people to come to for this, so here I am. \=) -this is purely beta form.. it looks bad right now.. really bad.. its gonna have a lot of touch ups, just want to get the above working first. --- Thanks very much, Falieson ( forum.faliesonsworld.com -make your self heard!) -- From simon at incutio.com Mon Sep 2 03:50:01 2002 From: simon at incutio.com (Simon Willison) Date: Mon Sep 2 03:50:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Getting a server to receive text messages in the UK? Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020902094913.019a5e58@mail.incutio.com> Hi all, Does anyone know how one would go about setting up one of those send-a-text-message-to-this-premium-rate-number and-get-a-machine-driven-response things for mobile phones in the UK? I've looked around the sites for Orange, Vodafone and o2 but naturally they are about as helpful as a moose in quicksand. I'm interested in how much such a system would cost to set up and a rough idea of what would be involved on the technical side. Does anyone have any experience or knowledge in this area? It isn't for anything dodgy, I've got a fledgling idea for what could be quite a useful service. Cheers, Simon Willison -- Web Developer, www.incutio.com Weblog: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~cs1spw/blog/ From chris at webbtech.co.uk Mon Sep 2 05:53:01 2002 From: chris at webbtech.co.uk (Chris Marsh) Date: Mon Sep 2 05:53:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Getting a server to receive text messages in the UK? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020902094913.019a5e58@mail.incutio.com> Message-ID: <000001c25270$09274ae0$1e00a8c0@webbtech.co.uk> Simon > Does anyone know how one would go about setting up one of > those send-a-text-message-to-this-premium-rate-number > and-get-a-machine-driven-response things for mobile phones in > the UK? I've looked around the sites for Orange, Vodafone and > o2 but naturally they are about as helpful as a moose in > quicksand. I'm interested in how much such a system would > cost to set up and a rough idea of what would be involved on > the technical side. Does anyone have any experience or > knowledge in this area? I believe the company you should speak to is Wireless Information Network (WIN) Plc http://www.winplc.com. > It isn't for anything dodgy, I've got a fledgling idea for > what could be quite a useful service. HTH Regards Chris Marsh From webdesign at mysitedesigns.com Mon Sep 2 07:08:01 2002 From: webdesign at mysitedesigns.com (Sabrina Abernethy) Date: Mon Sep 2 07:08:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Best message board product In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c25279$63bdaa90$6501a8c0@sabrinaxp> I have been using phpBB and have had good results - easy to use for clients as well. Sabrina > All: > > I have struggled for years to find a strong message board product for my > client Web sites. I always run into issues with configuration, setup, bad > code, etc. Are there good ones out there or not? I would prefer Active > Server Pages and SQL Server but would be willing to venture into PHP-land > if > the product is good enough. Thanks for your help. From saidovan at rs.uovs.ac.za Mon Sep 2 09:51:01 2002 From: saidovan at rs.uovs.ac.za (Nedret Saidova) Date: Mon Sep 2 09:51:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] [PHP] is_uploaded_file() returning false Message-ID: <3D7396C5.5116.116B76C7@localhost> Hi there, Anyone happen to know what could be the reason that is_uploaded_file() returns false? Some info: ********************* Running on Windows IIS5 ********************* in php.ini: file_uploads = On upload_tmp_dir = C:\PHP\uploadtemp upload_max_filesize = 2M ************************ The image I'm trying to upload is not larger than 2M ************************ The form:
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************************ Did not set a hidden field for MAX_FILE_SIZE just as yet... ************************ The script: $path = "./IMAGES/"; if (is_uploaded_file($_FILES['userfile']['name'])) { copy($_FILES['userfile']['name'], $path); } else { echo "No upload..."; echo $_FILES['userfile']['tmp_name']; echo "
"; echo $_FILES['userfile']['size']; echo "
"; echo $_FILES['userfile']['name']; } ************************ No error is returned - just no file in the C:\PHP\uploadtemp of the server. And naturally printed result on page: C:\PHP\uploadtemp\php1A9.tmp 73 bullet12.gif ************************ Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Real stuck: Nedret ------- End of forwarded message ------- From notabene at members.evolt.org Mon Sep 2 10:12:01 2002 From: notabene at members.evolt.org (s t e f) Date: Mon Sep 2 10:12:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] http/https framesets: risk assessment? Message-ID: <12119.194.51.20.123.1030979487.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Hello all, I saw recently a site that mixed frames within framesets, some through http and some through https. I received of course several security alerts and that got me wondering as to what precisely are the risks of using mixed-protocols framesets. (just in case I'd be forced to put up this type of configuration one day and what to anwser ;-)) Anybody would care to enlighten me? TIA, s t e f From aaron at youngpup.net Mon Sep 2 10:27:01 2002 From: aaron at youngpup.net (Aaron Boodman) Date: Mon Sep 2 10:27:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] bulk_mailer is driving me mad References: Message-ID: <00c001c252ad$dbfdac10$0200a8c0@youngpup1> good idea, but still no dice. I'm on a virtual server, so I don't have access to the root - where it is looking for the file - to create a link there. thanks for your help, -- Aaron Boodman aaron | www @ youngpup.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Freitag" To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] bulk_mailer is driving me mad > you could make a symbolic link at /etc/sendmail.cf > > _____________________________________________ > Pete Freitag > CTO, CFDEV.COM > http://www.cfdev.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Aaron Boodman > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:11 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] bulk_mailer is driving me mad > > > But that's just the problem: neither "sendmail.cf" nor ".cf" exist inside > either bulk_mailer.c or configure. I also tried changing the only references > to /etc/ in configure and re-making with zarro success. > > Blah. > > -- > Aaron Boodman > aaron | www @ youngpup.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Freitag" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:14 PM > Subject: RE: [thelist] bulk_mailer is driving me mad > > > > to find sendmail.cf > > > > find / | fgrep sendmail.cf > > > > to find sendmail.cf inside bulk_mailer.c > > > > cat bulk_mailer.c | fgrep sendmail.cf > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Pete Freitag > > CTO, CFDEV.COM > > http://www.cfdev.com/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Aaron Boodman > > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:29 PM > > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > Subject: [thelist] bulk_mailer is driving me mad > > > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to configure bulk_mailer (the C program) on my linux virtual > > server for an occasional newsletter mailing dynamically generated from > > php/mysql. I realize I could use majordomo or listserv or something, but > it > > seemed like a ton of work to setup for a dynamic list and message. > > > > Anyway, bulk_mailer is having trouble finding sendmail.cf because it is > not > > in the usual place (/etc/sendmail.cf). And I can't seem to find where it > is > > referenced in either configure or bulk_mailer.c to change it. > > > > Ideas sincerely appreciated. > > > > Much Thanks, > > > > -- > > Aaron Boodman > > aaron | www @ youngpup.net > > > > -- > > > > -- > > For unsubscribe and other options, including > > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > -- > > For unsubscribe and other options, including > > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From richardgray at onetel.co.uk Mon Sep 2 10:45:01 2002 From: richardgray at onetel.co.uk (Rich Gray) Date: Mon Sep 2 10:45:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] [PHP] is_uploaded_file() returning false In-Reply-To: <3D7396C5.5116.116B76C7@localhost> Message-ID: Nedret, Try... is_uploaded_file($_FILES['userfile']['tmp_name'])) { // Blah Blah } HTH Rich -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Nedret Saidova Sent: 02 September 2002 15:50 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] [PHP] is_uploaded_file() returning false Hi there, Anyone happen to know what could be the reason that is_uploaded_file() returns false? Some info: ********************* Running on Windows IIS5 ********************* in php.ini: file_uploads = On upload_tmp_dir = C:\PHP\uploadtemp upload_max_filesize = 2M ************************ The image I'm trying to upload is not larger than 2M ************************ The form:
" method="post">
Send this file:
Which of the following would you like to do next?
************************ Did not set a hidden field for MAX_FILE_SIZE just as yet... ************************ The script: $path = "./IMAGES/"; if (is_uploaded_file($_FILES['userfile']['name'])) { copy($_FILES['userfile']['name'], $path); } else { echo "No upload..."; echo $_FILES['userfile']['tmp_name']; echo "
"; echo $_FILES['userfile']['size']; echo "
"; echo $_FILES['userfile']['name']; } ************************ No error is returned - just no file in the C:\PHP\uploadtemp of the server. And naturally printed result on page: C:\PHP\uploadtemp\php1A9.tmp 73 bullet12.gif ************************ Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Real stuck: Nedret ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From mike at nthwave.net Mon Sep 2 11:55:01 2002 From: mike at nthwave.net (Michael Mell) Date: Mon Sep 2 11:55:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] MySQL sub-select with PHP [was: sql cross table exclusion??] References: <01c25088$41afa680$cce9059a@rudy> Message-ID: <3D7397C8.B6EAC33F@nthwave.net> Brilliant. Thanks. rudy wrote: > > what other options do I have for implementing > > this sort of iterative sub-select? > > rule number 1 -- never do in code what the database can do in sql > why not save the results in a temp table in the database? -- mike[at]nthwave.net From michael at tapinternet.com Mon Sep 2 12:09:01 2002 From: michael at tapinternet.com (Michael Kimsal) Date: Mon Sep 2 12:09:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] MySQL sub-select with PHP [was: sql cross table exclusion??] In-Reply-To: <01c25088$41afa680$cce9059a@rudy> References: <01c25088$41afa680$cce9059a@rudy> Message-ID: <1030986733.9660.37.camel@lunix> On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 20:49, rudy wrote: > > why not save the results in a temp table in the database? > > then you can use that table to join with other tables for iterative > searches > If performance and/or concurrency is an issue, this is probably not the best approach, especially with MySQL. We just finished a code audit last month for a company that had done this, and this was the biggest cause of speed issues for them. They were having trouble having more than 10 concurrent sessions, and it was primarily the MySQL database which was the bottleneck. An example: one page's execution time was 12 seconds. Big report with lots of queries with data from different tables. They were making temp tables and populating them, then doing queries on that. We got rid of a couple of the temp tables and did the calculations in memory in PHP - page was now done in 5 seconds. It's easier to scale the front end webservers than it is the database server. If that's your bottleneck, you'll have a hell of a time overcoming it without moving wholesale to a new database platform. I'm not suggesting 'don't do it' - I'm saying if performance is important (current or future) then do some testing before deciding on an approach. Doing something 'the long way' now may save you headache later on. Then again, in some cases, it won't. > > the hard part comes six months down the road when you've forgotten all your > nifty neato code, and have to make a change to it > That's what documentation is for. It's just as hard to figure out why 11 temp tables are being made in a database and what all the strange joins are as it is to follow code. Code may be easier, because you probably work with more PHP code on a daily basis than advanced SQL queries. -------------------------- Michael Kimsal http://www.tapinternet.com http://www.logicreate.com 734-480-9961 From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Mon Sep 2 14:15:01 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Mon Sep 2 14:15:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache In-Reply-To: <1030986733.9660.37.camel@lunix> Message-ID: Could someone point me in the right reading direction for this one Warning: Failed opening './includes/smtp.php' for inclusion (include_path='.;c:\php4\pear') where Apache is running locally on win98 ? TIA Andrew --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From list at deuxtowers.com Mon Sep 2 14:24:01 2002 From: list at deuxtowers.com (Matthieu Guyonnet-Duluc) Date: Mon Sep 2 14:24:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c252b6$36dd3f30$0200a8c0@deuxtowers.com> > -----Message d'origine----- > De : thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] De la part de Andrew Maynes > Envoy? : lundi 2 septembre 2002 21:17 > ? : thelist at lists.evolt.org > Objet : [thelist] SMTP Apache > > > Could someone point me in the right reading direction for this one > > Warning: Failed opening './includes/smtp.php' for inclusion > (include_path='.;c:\php4\pear') > > where Apache is running locally on win98 ? > Hi Andrew, You should read the section of the PHP documentation about the include() function, there are several parameters : http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.include.php You should also pay attention to your path definition in php.ini (windows style "c:/mydirectory/to_file_included")... The default install path for Apache is "C:\Program Files/Apache Groups/Apachexxx/", unless you're using a specific package. Matthieu From jasent at chartermi.net Mon Sep 2 16:00:01 2002 From: jasent at chartermi.net (Jasen Smith) Date: Mon Sep 2 16:00:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Creating a login script with ASP part II Message-ID: <002701c252c3$94b622e0$6501a8c0@comp1> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] In the example we have been workin with, the authenticated user is sent to a generic "members" page. I want to take the authenticated user and forward them to a page where they can view and modify their record in the MS ACCESS database. I cannot seem to get the authenticated user pass to forward correctly to aditional ASP code that will allow them to view or modify their record. I keep getting an object error when trying to re read the variables after they were authenticated. Could someone please help me with some code examples that would append to this articles code? Thank you :) -- From ken.kogler at curf.edu Mon Sep 2 16:05:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Mon Sep 2 16:05:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() Message-ID: <000701c252c4$44a33710$0808810a@eagle5> I'm using ASP's .getRows() thingy, but this is more of a SQL question than anything else. I'm trying to eliminate the duplicate records returned from a recordset. Here's my situation (stay with me, this gets a bit rough:) I've got 2 tables -- one for safety signs, and one for the categories each sign belongs to. For example, I've got an "Electrical Hazard" sign, and it belongs to the "electrical", "laser", "shock", and "hazard" categories. Simple enough, right? Well, my problem is this: I'm writing a search engine for the site, and if I were to search for "electrical", that sign would come back in the results twice -- once because the word "electrical" is in the title, and once because it's in one of the categories. I know WHY this is happening, but I can't seem to wrap my brain around the logic to prevent it. Here's my SQL: SELECT sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp FROM tblSigns, xrefAppsSigns WHERE (sTitle LIKE '% s %' OR aApp LIKE '% s %') AND sNumber = aNumber (the "s" represents the search term, in this case "electrical") I know the problem is with the "OR" statement, but there's a good reason it's there -- if I use "AND", then only signs where the search term is in the category AND in the sign's title get returned, and that's no good... I want the accuracy of using the "OR" statement, but without the nasty duplicates it returns. Thoughts? --Ken From joshua at waetech.com Mon Sep 2 16:24:01 2002 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Mon Sep 2 16:24:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() References: <000701c252c4$44a33710$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <111301c252c6$ccecabe0$0200a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kogler" Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 5:04 PM > I'm using ASP's .getRows() thingy, but this is more of a SQL question > than anything else. > > I'm trying to eliminate the duplicate records returned from a recordset. > Here's my situation (stay with me, this gets a bit rough:) Ken, the solution is going to depend greatly on the database employed. Using a database that supports subselects, a possible solution would be to use a query such as this: SELECT sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp FROM tblSigns WHERE sID IN ( SELECT sID FROM tblSigns, xrefAppsSigns WHERE (sTitle LIKE '% s %' OR aApp LIKE '% s %') AND sNumber = aNumber ) Everything within the IN clause is your original query, except that the inner query now only returns sID. Another option is to use the DISTINCE keyword (which works for databases that do not support subselects): SELECT DISTINCT sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp FROM tblSigns, xrefAppsSigns WHERE (sTitle LIKE '% s %' OR aApp LIKE '% s %') AND sNumber = aNumber Another option is to use a group (which works on databases that do not support subselects or distincts): SELECT sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp FROM tblSigns, xrefAppsSigns WHERE (sTitle LIKE '% s %' OR aApp LIKE '% s %') AND sNumber = aNumber GROUP BY sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp Rudy might suggest that the last option is preferable because you can return Count(*) to see how many other times that search criteria returned the same sign. HTH, -joshua From dunstan at 1976design.com Mon Sep 2 16:45:01 2002 From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard) Date: Mon Sep 2 16:45:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Re: php-based search engines In-Reply-To: <20020831170252.A57EC3A66@relay.evolt.org> References: <20020831170252.A57EC3A66@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <20020902214415.M73141@1976design.com> > From: "Shashank Tripathi" > > | Does anyone know which search engine is used at www.php.net? > > For "function list" search, they use their own search engine of course. > For the rest (e.g., "whole site" search), they use HTDIG. damn it, I only searched the function list - I thought it'd all be the same :o) > | mnogosearch: > | Does anyone know? And has anyone used this search engine before? > > Yes. And its fairly good. Especially if you want to index web pages > *and* a database. ah, that's interesting. > | I'm looking for a heavy duty engine that can be closely > | integrated with a php- based site - htdig, mnogosearch, > | SEARCpHp, and Atomz are things I've seen so far. Can > > Couple of points: > > 1. You did not specify if you have any preferences/limitations -- must > it be PHP based (doesn't have to even if it has to "support a PHP-based > website"? Should it be a script you can installe or a hosted solution > (since you include Atomz in your list)? Etc. You could also take a look > at SWISH-E, which is by all means as powerful as HTDIG > (http://swish-e.org/) Basically it's going to be running on a php-driven site, with plenty of MySQL stuff, and I need to be able to incorporate php-logic in its results pages - hence asking for a php based engine. It would be based on our server (didn't realise Atomz wasn't). I have an engine I'm really happy with, except for two points: 1) It's written in perl and so I can't include any php-driven sections of the site in the results pages; 2) It's a pain in the back-side to hack about with, and consequently I can't get the thing to validate, no matter how hard I try. mnogosearch, swish-e and htdig seem to be my three big hitters so far. > 2. Of course you may have missed tons of thousands of scripts I know there are loads out there, but I didn't want to go through trying _all_ of them if there were people with excellent experience in this area on the list. I wanted to make sure 50 people didn't all say, "AH! you need X!". > Having pointed out the above, my personal vote would easily go to HTDIG. Groovy, I'll keep that on my list :o) Thanks very much Shashank - dunstan p.s. > www.snipurl.com I like this site :o) --------------------------- Dorset, England http://www.1976design.com/ http://www.orchard.it/ http://www.maccaws.org/ From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Mon Sep 2 16:46:02 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Mon Sep 2 16:46:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache In-Reply-To: <000401c252b6$36dd3f30$0200a8c0@deuxtowers.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the links, for some very bizarre reason all I need to do was put in the ../ before the file path which now creates this: Could not connect to smtp host : 9 : Bad file descriptor Any ideas? Andrew > Could someone point me in the right reading direction for this one > > Warning: Failed opening './includes/smtp.php' for inclusion > (include_path='.;c:\php4\pear') > > where Apache is running locally on win98 ? > Hi Andrew, You should read the section of the PHP documentation about the include() function, there are several parameters : http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.include.php You should also pay attention to your path definition in php.ini (windows style "c:/mydirectory/to_file_included")... The default install path for Apache is "C:\Program Files/Apache Groups/Apachexxx/", unless you're using a specific package. Matthieu -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From r937 at interlog.com Mon Sep 2 16:59:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Sep 2 16:59:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() Message-ID: <01c252cb$cfc18480$d05c1dd1@rudy> SELECT sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp FROM tblSigns, xrefAppsSigns WHERE (sTitle LIKE '% s %' OR aApp LIKE '% s %') AND sNumber = aNumber GROUP BY sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp count(*)? wouldn't that just show how many categories the sign is in? hey ken, if you get a hit on a category, do you really want to return all the signs in that category? you know, if i were a user, that might be too much unrelated stuff for me... rudy From jlucido at version4.com Mon Sep 2 17:02:01 2002 From: jlucido at version4.com (Jeff Lucido) Date: Mon Sep 2 17:02:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] DHTML expanding lists Message-ID: Evolters: I have been banging my head around here for a few days working on what I thought was a simple implementation of an expanding DHTML listing. Specifically, the project I am working on requires a listing of data with one level of data underneath. For example: LINK 1 LINK 2 LINK 3 link 3.1 link 3.2 link 3.3 LINK 4 link 4.1 link 4.2 link 4.3 LINK5 LINK 6 The tricky part is this listing of data is contained within a table and varies in vertical position based on the information needed for the page (i.e. the number of elements above link 3 will vary from page to page). Secondly, links 1,2,5,6 are not part of the expanding list, rather they are regular links to other pages. So, basically if the visitor clicks on link 3 the below main links (4,5,6) would move down accordingly based on the amount of links contained under link 3, with the same being true for link 4. The visitor would then see the exposed sub-links of 3.1,3.2,3.3. I have tried several scripts form a few places (DHTMLCentral, DynamicDrive, etc.) but they are all called using absolute positions and require the setting of a container height for the possible amount of space needed to display the items. I hope I am making some sense here. All I really need it to do is when a visitor clicks on a link which contains sub-links the main links below it move down to accommodate the listing of sub-links. Also, when a visitor "opens" a link (in the case number 3) and then opens another link containing sub-links (in the case link 4) then the previously opened one closes and the newly requested one opens. Nothing too hard, right? Also, I do not care about persistence across clicks so when the visitor returns to the page the proper link is still "open." If any kind soul out there has run into this and can lend some support in any form I would be greatly appreciative. Thanks for the help! -JSLucido From richardgray at onetel.co.uk Mon Sep 2 17:17:00 2002 From: richardgray at onetel.co.uk (Rich Gray) Date: Mon Sep 2 17:17:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andrew Can you post the code in question? It makes it a lot easier to try and help when you can see the code being run... anyway in smtp.php are you doing an fsockopen to a SMTP server? Cheers Rich -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Maynes Sent: 02 September 2002 14:48 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: RE : [thelist] SMTP Apache Thanks for the links, for some very bizarre reason all I need to do was put in the ../ before the file path which now creates this: Could not connect to smtp host : 9 : Bad file descriptor Any ideas? Andrew [snip] From ken.kogler at curf.edu Mon Sep 2 17:18:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Mon Sep 2 17:18:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() In-Reply-To: <01c252cb$cfc18480$d05c1dd1@rudy> Message-ID: <000001c252ce$72ea8d30$0808810a@eagle5> > hey ken, if you get a hit on a category, do > you really want to return all the signs in > that category? No, I don't. I want to return any sign where the search term is in the sign's title, or in the category of the sign. That's all I'm trying to do... From r937 at interlog.com Mon Sep 2 17:44:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Sep 2 17:44:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() Message-ID: <01c252d1$e99fc640$d05c1dd1@rudy> >I want to return any sign where the search term is in the sign's title, >or in the category of the sign. yes, but that's what i meant -- if the search term is found in the category, then you're saying you want all the signs in that category returned... ? From evolt at david.us-lot.org Mon Sep 2 17:58:01 2002 From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (evolt at david.us-lot.org) Date: Mon Sep 2 17:58:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] DHTML expanding lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020902230036.GA7808@us-lot.org> On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 05:01:36PM -0500, Jeff Lucido wrote: > Evolters: > > I have been banging my head around here for a few days working on what I > thought was a simple implementation of an expanding DHTML listing. > Specifically, the project I am working on requires a listing of data > with one level of data underneath. For example: > > LINK 1 > LINK 2 > LINK 3 > link 3.1 > link 3.2 > link 3.3 > LINK 4 > link 4.1 > link 4.2 > link 4.3 > LINK5 > LINK 6 http://david.us-lot.org/dir.php?dir=/www-concepts/collapse > The tricky part is this listing of data is contained within a table and > varies in vertical position based on the information needed for the page > (i.e. the number of elements above link 3 will vary from page to page). > Secondly, links 1,2,5,6 are not part of the expanding list, rather they > are regular links to other pages. So, basically if the visitor clicks on > link 3 the below main links (4,5,6) would move down accordingly based on > the amount of links contained under link 3, with the same being true for > link 4. The visitor would then see the exposed sub-links of 3.1,3.2,3.3. > I have tried several scripts form a few places (DHTMLCentral, > DynamicDrive, etc.) but they are all called using absolute positions and > require the setting of a container height for the possible amount of > space needed to display the items. > > I hope I am making some sense here. All I really need it to do is when a > visitor clicks on a link which contains sub-links the main links below > it move down to accommodate the listing of sub-links. Also, when a > visitor "opens" a link (in the case number 3) and then opens another > link containing sub-links (in the case link 4) then the previously > opened one closes and the newly requested one opens. Nothing too hard, > right? Also, I do not care about persistence across clicks so when the > visitor returns to the page the proper link is still "open." > > If any kind soul out there has run into this and can lend some support > in any form I would be greatly appreciative. Some starting code follows, unfortunatly it doesn't collapse a open sections when another section is opened. I considered the possibility, but realised that I would have to make various checks so that an ancestor of the section being opened wasn't hidden. You might be able to use this as a starting point though. 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-- David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/ HTML email is a bit like using coloured paper and glitter ink on a CV. From mark at markgroen.com Mon Sep 2 18:13:00 2002 From: mark at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Mon Sep 2 18:13:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Re: php-based search engines In-Reply-To: <20020902214415.M73141@1976design.com> References: <20020831170252.A57EC3A66@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3D738E01.11187.23D102F@localhost> On September 02, 2002 at 21:44, Dunstan Orchard wrote: > > Having pointed out the above, my personal vote would easily go to > > HTDIG. > > Groovy, I'll keep that on my list :o) I would second that motion for HTdig, have tried all the others you've mentioned as well and it is one of the best/nicest. The latest I'm trying is http://www.digitalgenesis.com/software/dgssearch.html and I'm liking it A LOT, but not sure if it's more than http://www.htdig.org/. The default set-up takes just a bit of style sheet tweaking to get results that look and act like Google's. Got all the features you would expect and extremely easy for anyone to get set up. You can try it at: http://www.markgroen.com/dgssearch/index.php I haven't set up which directories to include/exclude, (everything in there at the moment), so you'll get a lot of returns on the blog archives, but it will give you an idea. Oh yeah, it's PHP of course. Cheers, Mark From steve at clason.org Mon Sep 2 18:18:02 2002 From: steve at clason.org (Steve Clason) Date: Mon Sep 2 18:18:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] DHTML expanding lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Opencube offers a Perl script at http://www.opencube.com/ that does what you describe (look at the left side navigation.) It's flaky in Netscape and broke in Opera from what I can tell, but it might help. Steve Clason > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Lucido > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 4:02 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] DHTML expanding lists > > > Evolters: > > I have been banging my head around here for a few days working on what I > thought was a simple implementation of an expanding DHTML listing. > Specifically, the project I am working on requires a listing of data > with one level of data underneath. For example: > > LINK 1 > LINK 2 > LINK 3 > link 3.1 > link 3.2 > link 3.3 > LINK 4 > link 4.1 > link 4.2 > link 4.3 > LINK5 > LINK 6 > > The tricky part is this listing of data is contained within a table and > varies in vertical position based on the information needed for the page > (i.e. the number of elements above link 3 will vary from page to page). > Secondly, links 1,2,5,6 are not part of the expanding list, rather they > are regular links to other pages. So, basically if the visitor clicks on > link 3 the below main links (4,5,6) would move down accordingly based on > the amount of links contained under link 3, with the same being true for > link 4. The visitor would then see the exposed sub-links of 3.1,3.2,3.3. > I have tried several scripts form a few places (DHTMLCentral, > DynamicDrive, etc.) but they are all called using absolute positions and > require the setting of a container height for the possible amount of > space needed to display the items. > > I hope I am making some sense here. All I really need it to do is when a > visitor clicks on a link which contains sub-links the main links below > it move down to accommodate the listing of sub-links. Also, when a > visitor "opens" a link (in the case number 3) and then opens another > link containing sub-links (in the case link 4) then the previously > opened one closes and the newly requested one opens. Nothing too hard, > right? Also, I do not care about persistence across clicks so when the > visitor returns to the page the proper link is still "open." > > If any kind soul out there has run into this and can lend some support > in any form I would be greatly appreciative. > > Thanks for the help! > -JSLucido > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > From burhankhalid at members.evolt.org Mon Sep 2 19:58:01 2002 From: burhankhalid at members.evolt.org (Burhan) Date: Mon Sep 2 19:58:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Event Registration System Message-ID: <354863629.20020902200136@members.evolt.org> Hello thelist, I have been searching for a couple of days now, but can't seem to find something like this, and I know that I am not the first person to find a need for this. What I need is a system (language is really not an issue yet) where the administrator can schedule events, and then users can register to attend these events. Basically, a calendar event registration system with user registration. I have found tons of stuff where the administrator adds events, and then the users can view them. What I need is for the users to be able to sign-up/register to attend the event. This is going to be for a tutoring scheduling app that I am trying to put together (this is one part, the rest of the app I am working on). Also, I need to be able to print/view the list of people that have signed up to attend an event (or if there are no people signed up for a certain event). Any links would be appreciated. -- *---------------* | Burhan Khalid | *---------------*---------------------------* | Email : burhankhalid[at]members.evolt.org | | Web : members.evolt.org/burhankhalid | | ICQ : 6016166 | | AIM : digitz0819 | | MSN : burhankh[at]hotmail.com | | Yahoo : burhan_khalid | *-------------------------------------------* From david at gigawatt.com Mon Sep 2 20:13:01 2002 From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman) Date: Mon Sep 2 20:13:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] DHTML expanding lists References: Message-ID: <001d01c252e7$02b2f200$0100a8c0@snowwhite> Jeff Lucido wrote: > > I have been banging my head around here for a few days working on > what I thought was a simple implementation of an expanding DHTML > listing. Specifically, the project I am working on requires a listing > of data with one level of data underneath. [snip] > > If any kind soul out there has run into this and can lend some support > in any form I would be greatly appreciative. here's some open-source dhtml code that works on IE5+ and Mozilla, and degrades well on NS4 (degrades=list is always completely expanded): http://youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypXmlTree.xml hth, -dave From ken.kogler at curf.edu Mon Sep 2 20:22:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Mon Sep 2 20:22:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() In-Reply-To: <01c252d1$e99fc640$d05c1dd1@rudy> Message-ID: <000201c252e8$240ae7e0$0808810a@eagle5> >>I want to return any sign where the search term is in the sign's title, >>or in the category of the sign. >yes, but that's what i meant -- if the search term is found in the >category, then you're saying you want all the signs in that >category returned... Yes. Strange, but my well-informed client wants it that way. My problem is that if a search term is present in the sign's title and in one of the sign's categories, then that sign comes back TWICE in the search results. That's what I'm trying to avoid... --Ken From lesliezhou at netscape.net Mon Sep 2 20:35:01 2002 From: lesliezhou at netscape.net (Leslie Zhou) Date: Mon Sep 2 20:35:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Re: CSS Positioning Question Message-ID: <3D741192.7010708@netscape.net> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi, Embedding within

won't work well to meet your need. Try the following: ... ... ...

Align to the right

... Thanks, Leslie >Hello List, > >I've got a CSS position question. I've got an

tag, and in that >tag, I want to align some text to the right. I first thought a span >would to the trick : > >.rightalign { float:right; text-align:right; } > >It aligns it to the right, but it bumps the text down (have a look at >my website for what I mean). The [ + ] | [ - ] text is in the >tag. > >I am trying to get it to align with the

text. > >Any ideas? > > > >-- > > Set its display style to none in a class for it: .myTextArea { display: none; } HTH Tom From wkolean at hotmail.com Mon Sep 2 20:57:01 2002 From: wkolean at hotmail.com (William Kolean) Date: Mon Sep 2 20:57:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Re: IE5Mac horizontal scrollbar bug solved In-Reply-To: <20020901170210.10201BFD9@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: I noticed that 15 pixels is the exact width of the scrollbar, and in your example you don't get the scrollbar as long as you stay to the edge of where the scrollbar would be, if it were there. So does Mac IE5 give all absolutely positioned elements a secret margin of 15px, or just the ones that intrude in the scrollbar area? William > My current theory is that IE5Mac gives each absolutely positioned element a > secret margin of 15 pixels. My solution, based on this theory, works in two > simple test cases. It also doesn't bother the other browsers. > > See http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/ie5mac/margin.html for the full story and > the solution. From luminosity at members.evolt.org Mon Sep 2 22:03:01 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Mon Sep 2 22:03:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Address Book Markup Language - Address Books written in XML References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020901140018.01b39b40@mail.incutio.com> Message-ID: <3D742555.5070407@members.evolt.org> Simon Willison wrote: > Looks like an interesting project. Here are a few thoughts: > > 1. How about allowing multiple comments for each contact? "comments*" > instead of "comments?" Can you give me an example of when you wouldn't want to put all your comments under the one tag? > 2. You use a huge amount of elements with #PCDATA which could be replaced > with attributes. Remember, many XML parsers handle attributes faster than > #PCDATA so using them can give a good overall performance gain. For > example, birthdate(month, date, year) could be better handled with: > > > > > month CDATA #REQUIRED > day CDATA #REQUIRED > year CDATA #REQUIRED > > > > Alternatively you could have the month/day/year attributes as part of the > birthdate/anniversary elements themselves - I'm not sure what is considered > best practise for that kind of thing. Hmm... to make it easier, I've changed it to multiple date elements coming from the dates element, each with those three attributes, and a type attribute to define what type of date it is. I think that works around that problem well enough, and it makes it more easily extensible for other types of dates. > 3. businesses could do with having optional addresses information I've put down a single optional address element in businesses. My original thinking was that this would be covered by the work address element, but I realised that you might need to have the companies head office as well. I don't think that other addresses for the company would be relevant though, since they wouldn't affect the person which the address book listing is about. Thoughts? Thanks, -- Lach __________________________________________ Web: http://illuminosity.net/ E-mail: lach @ illuminosity.net MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org __________________________________________ From falieson at faliesonsworld.com Mon Sep 2 22:09:01 2002 From: falieson at faliesonsworld.com (Falieson Prince) Date: Mon Sep 2 22:09:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Embeddng html within Flash(6) Message-ID: <000801c252f6$f6c8ea70$52608cac@your9id4oqkvbf> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I am working on creating a new version of a website for myself... yet i am having some troubles with a certain idea of mine. I want to have my flash over my website, as you would a template a piece of paper. I would like to have my website be a layer in my flash site... (http://lan.faliesonsworld.com/beta/site.html) the black area inside the flash is where my website would be. clicking on a link to the left would just be like clicking the link in a frame.. and would just change the website in that area... not forwarding teh webclient to another site, but my whole website running in that one place. I do not understand how to do this. I dont know if its even possible.Yet my friend said that you where the people to come to for this, so here I am. \=) -this is purely beta form.. it looks bad right now.. really bad.. its gonna have a lot of touch ups, just want to get the above working first. --- Thanks very much, Falieson ( forum.faliesonsworld.com -make your self heard!) -- From Dave.Naden at sas.com Mon Sep 2 22:13:01 2002 From: Dave.Naden at sas.com (Dave Naden) Date: Mon Sep 2 22:13:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= changing the layout! Message-ID: <590086B5F26F294298B8C8C5C43619440C9E98@merc16.na.sas.com> Dear list, I'm at a loss with this problem--when I run the enclosed code, by assigning style.display- "block", my alignment is thrown off; extra space is added between each row. When the page first loads, it's fine. This works fine in IE 5 or 6, but Netscape 6 doesn't render it correctly. Please help! Is there a workaround? -Dave Naden dave.naden at sas.com Code follows: Test Page to find out why NN6 is not rendering this thing right!
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From r937 at interlog.com Mon Sep 2 22:28:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Sep 2 22:28:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() Message-ID: <01c252f9$deb16fe0$09e9059a@rudy> >>yes, but that's what i meant -- if the search term is found in the >>category, then you're saying you want all the signs in that >>category returned... > >Yes. Strange, but my well-informed client wants it that way. okay, try this -- select sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp from xrefAppsSigns inner join tblSigns on aNumber = sNumber where aApp LIKE '% s %' union select sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp from tblSigns where sTitle LIKE '% s %' the first select finds all categories that meet the search criteria, and pulls out all their signs the second select finds all signs that meet the search criteria UNION -- without the ALL -- takes care of removing duplicates did you want those spaces in the search strings? because that will not find the s if it's at the beginning or end of the field rudy From r937 at interlog.com Mon Sep 2 22:34:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Sep 2 22:34:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() Message-ID: <01c252fa$b82c2e40$09e9059a@rudy> oops, didn't notice the aApp in the select list, the second select has to have a join as well select sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp from xrefAppsSigns inner join tblSigns on aNumber = sNumber where aApp LIKE '% s %' union select sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp from tblSigns inner join xrefAppsSigns on sNumber = aNumber where sTitle LIKE '% s %' rudy From ken.kogler at curf.edu Mon Sep 2 22:42:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Mon Sep 2 22:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() In-Reply-To: <01c252f9$deb16fe0$09e9059a@rudy> Message-ID: <000501c252fb$baab69a0$0808810a@eagle5> > okay, try this -- [snip] SQL looks like a work of art, Rudy, but it appears as if Access doesn't support the join... Is there another way to do it? In my original post, I had something to the effect of: select * from tblOne, tblTwo ...which is how Access handles joins (I think). > did you want those spaces in the search strings? Yup... It's actually supposed to read: ...LIKE '%" & s & "%'... Which is the ASP way to pop a value in between the '% and the %'. From r937 at interlog.com Mon Sep 2 23:10:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Sep 2 23:10:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() Message-ID: <01c252ff$b4b20960$09e9059a@rudy> > SQL looks like a work of art, Rudy, you are too kind > but it appears as if Access doesn't support the join... > Is there another way to do it? whoa, it works in access 97, i use it all the time -- that's the new-fangled inner join syntax okay, try the old way, it should still work (although i did see something about microsoft eventually not supporting it, but maybe that was sql/server...) select sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp from xrefAppsSigns , tblSigns where aNumber = sNumber and aApp LIKE '%s%' union select sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp from tblSigns , xrefAppsSigns where sNumber = aNumber and sTitle LIKE '%s%' >> did you want those spaces in the search strings? > >Yup... It's actually supposed to read: > > ...LIKE '%" & s & "%'... ah, okay, then the spaces aren't actually part of the string (see revised query) rudy From ken.kogler at curf.edu Mon Sep 2 23:28:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Mon Sep 2 23:28:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() In-Reply-To: <01c252ff$b4b20960$09e9059a@rudy> Message-ID: <000601c25302$24d05bf0$0808810a@eagle5> Well, that worked, but I'm facing the same problem. Perhaps some resultant data would help... This is 3 rows from the recordset (using the SQL from your last post, Rudy): sID | sNumber | sTitle | sOshaAnsi | aApp ------ | ------- | ---------------------- | --------- | ---------- 010017 | D1024 | DANGER- do not oper... | OSHA | Electrical 010027 | ZD1050 | DANGER- electrical... | ANSI Z535 | Electrical 010027 | ZD1050 | DANGER- electrical... | ANSI Z535 | Laser Note that the 2nd and 3rd rows are the same sign. Row #2 matches the search string ("electrical") in both the title and the app (also called "category"). Row #3 is returned because the search string is in the title but not the category. It seems like I should do "...WHERE sNumber != sNumber" but I know that's not right (since it blows up on me :) It's a one-to-many relationship between signs and categories, so this xrefAppsSigns table has multiple rows for each sign; the exact number depends on how many categories each sign belongs to. How can I prevent sign number "ZD1050" from being returned as rows 2 AND 3? I'm desprately trying to do this via SQL. The only alternative I can see is looping through the recordset row by row and comparing the current sNumber to the previous one, but I know that's not a good option. Thanks in advance! --Ken From ken.kogler at curf.edu Mon Sep 2 23:36:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Mon Sep 2 23:36:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() In-Reply-To: <000601c25302$24d05bf0$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <000701c25303$44130660$0808810a@eagle5> Trying that result table again: From ken.kogler at curf.edu Mon Sep 2 23:36:06 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Mon Sep 2 23:36:06 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() In-Reply-To: <000601c25302$24d05bf0$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <000801c25303$4ebf4380$0808810a@eagle5> Trying that result table again: sID | sNumber | sTitle | sOshaAnsi | aApp ------ | ------- | ---------------------- | --------- | ---------- 010017 | D1024 | DANGER- do not oper... | OSHA | Electrical 010027 | ZD1050 | DANGER- electrical... | ANSI Z535 | Electrical 010027 | ZD1050 | DANGER- electrical... | ANSI Z535 | Laser --Ken From r937 at interlog.com Mon Sep 2 23:45:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Sep 2 23:45:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() Message-ID: <01c25304$9f7ae080$09e9059a@rudy> > How can I prevent sign number "ZD1050" from > being returned as rows 2 AND 3? don't include the category in the result ;o) if you're going to remove "duplicates" by looping through the result set, which category do you keep? the first one? the last one? you can get the same result with sql, by the way, but i wouldn't do that if it were me, i'd do a modified crosstab -- 010017 | D1024 | DANGER- do not oper... | OSHA category: Electrical 010027 | ZD1050 | DANGER- electrical... | ANSI Z535 categories: Electrical, Laser piece of cake in coldfusion, with the GROUP= parameter in asp you'll have to do the programming yourself -- which means looping, oddly enough, although you're not discarding any information, just reformatting the one-to-many differently and this way you only print each sign once rudy From ken.kogler at curf.edu Tue Sep 3 00:14:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Tue Sep 3 00:14:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() In-Reply-To: <01c25304$9f7ae080$09e9059a@rudy> Message-ID: <000901c25308$92c5de40$0808810a@eagle5> > > How can I prevent sign number "ZD1050" from > > being returned as rows 2 AND 3? > don't include the category in the result ;o) You know, I didn't take this as more than a joke, but you're right... I don't need to display the category on the result page (but I do on the product info page). I *do* need to include it in the search algorithm, but I don't have to display it. That helps take out some of the complexity involved... > if it were me, i'd do a modified crosstab -- I'd probably do this differently too, if it wasn't due by the end of the week... :) Thanks a ton for your help, Rudy! I.O.U. 1 beer. Or more. Chicago beervolt sometime? --Ken From webguru at vsnl.net Tue Sep 3 00:14:08 2002 From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Tue Sep 3 00:14:08 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.2 problem In-Reply-To: <003c01c2502f$f5ec8a40$38dc3fca@haidersystem> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020903102408.02570138@203.197.12.4> At 07:37 PM 30-08-02, Syed Zeeshan Haider wrote: >I don't believe so. Because there are hundreds of fan sites for >dedicated to MJ and these site produce Michael Jackson's lyrics without >any license. Why don't we ask Michael Jackson about it? No need to ask him. The lyrics ARE copyrighted, and you DO need permission to reproduce them, legally speaking. Just because there are other sites doing it doesn't mean it's permissible under the law. One of the largest lyrics sites on the Net, www.lyrics.ch had a long legal battle with the music industry, and they had to shut down. Just FYI. Regards, Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon Internet User Experience Consultant Content * Interfaces * Usability * Net Strategy From michael at michaelefford.com.au Tue Sep 3 02:46:01 2002 From: michael at michaelefford.com.au (Michael Efford) Date: Tue Sep 3 02:46:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Doctypes and selecting text on IE 6 Message-ID: <00c601c2531d$a6629230$2da03bcb@gemini> Hi all, I have 2 versions of the same page here but with different doctypes... XHTML Transitional http://www.michaelefford.com.au/asset/index_xhtml.shtml HTML Transitional http://www.michaelefford.com.au/asset/index_html.shtml The problem I am having is in IE 6. Using the XHTML doctype causes very wierd things to happen when you try and select any text on the page. Basically, it either selects all or nothing. Using the HTML doctype fixes that issue, but then the page doesn't validate because of all the /> at the end of tags. Is there a way to make it XHTML valid, and have decent text selections in IE 6? A more minor issue is in Mozilla RC1, the XHTML page does wierd things to the menu..adding spaces between the table. It doesn't do this in the HTML version of the page. Any insight appreciated! Regards, Michael Efford. _____________________________ m i c h a e l e f f o r d f r e e l a n c e w e b d e s i g n e r michael at michaelefford.com.au http://www.michaelefford.com.au From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Sep 3 03:00:01 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:00:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rich here is a snippet of the code (smtp.php), I think the error is attributed to the config? This is the same machine (win98) I have only just installed Apache and php? Andrew define('SMTP_INCLUDED', 1); // // This function has been modified as provided // by SirSir to allow multiline responses when // using SMTP Extensions // function server_parse($socket, $response) { while ( substr($server_response,3,1) != ' ' ) { if( !( $server_response = fgets($socket, 256) ) ) { message_die(GENERAL_ERROR, "Couldn't get mail server response codes", "", __LINE__, __FILE__); } } if( !( substr($server_response, 0, 3) == $response ) ) { message_die(GENERAL_ERROR, "Ran into problems sending Mail. Response: $server_response", "", __LINE__, __FILE__); } } -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Rich Gray Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 07:16 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: RE : [thelist] SMTP Apache Hi Andrew Can you post the code in question? It makes it a lot easier to try and help when you can see the code being run... anyway in smtp.php are you doing an fsockopen to a SMTP server? Cheers Rich -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Maynes Sent: 02 September 2002 14:48 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: RE : [thelist] SMTP Apache Thanks for the links, for some very bizarre reason all I need to do was put in the ../ before the file path which now creates this: Could not connect to smtp host : 9 : Bad file descriptor Any ideas? Andrew [snip] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk Tue Sep 3 03:10:01 2002 From: robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk (Rob Wilson) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:10:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache References: Message-ID: <007f01c25321$5660b600$2c01020a@Beanstalk> >Hi Rich here is a snippet of the code (smtp.php), I think the error is >attributed to the config? This is the same machine (win98) I have only just >installed Apache and php? Have a look in your php.ini ... from memory there's a line in there where you define your SMTP server you wish to use. Unless you have one running on your PC (unlikely under 98) then it's going to fall over when trying to send a mail (which I'm guessing you're trying to do). You'll need to change that line to point to an SMTP server you can send mail through. [mail function] ; For Win32 only. SMTP = ; For Win32 only. sendmail_from = me at localhost.com N.B. unless you have an "always on" connection you'll need to be online for this to work if you point it to a mail server outside your network. Rob From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Sep 3 03:25:01 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:25:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache In-Reply-To: <007f01c25321$5660b600$2c01020a@Beanstalk> Message-ID: aha, I was being totally stupid and thinking that because I am connected my connection setting automatically would be localhost! but my smtp server is outside of my machine, what a dummy. So the settings in php.ini are irrelevant for Apache PHP running locally unless I want to connect to my isp, makes sense thank you, I feel such a prat and to think that last year I installed a fully operational small office network with 10 clients!! :) Do you think it's worth installing a smtp server? Andrew >Hi Rich here is a snippet of the code (smtp.php), I think the error is >attributed to the config? This is the same machine (win98) I have only just >installed Apache and php? Have a look in your php.ini ... from memory there's a line in there where you define your SMTP server you wish to use. Unless you have one running on your PC (unlikely under 98) then it's going to fall over when trying to send a mail (which I'm guessing you're trying to do). You'll need to change that line to point to an SMTP server you can send mail through. [mail function] ; For Win32 only. SMTP = ; For Win32 only. sendmail_from = me at localhost.com N.B. unless you have an "always on" connection you'll need to be online for this to work if you point it to a mail server outside your network. Rob --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 03:30:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:30:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Re: IE5Mac horizontal scrollbar bug solved Message-ID: >I noticed that 15 pixels is the exact width of the scrollbar, and in your >example you don't get the scrollbar as long as you stay to the edge of >where >the scrollbar would be, if it were there. So does Mac IE5 give all >absolutely positioned elements a secret margin of 15px, or just the ones >that intrude in the scrollbar area? Could be either. I think it's impossible to find out. How does one measure a margin of an absolutely positioned element? The only way I could think of was what I did: put it to the right or bottom of the page and see whether scrollbars appear. So I can't answer your question. ppk > > My current theory is that IE5Mac gives each absolutely positioned >element a > > secret margin of 15 pixels. My solution, based on this theory, works in >two > > simple test cases. It also doesn't bother the other browsers. > > > > See http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/ie5mac/margin.html for the full story >and > > the solution. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 03:33:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:33:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Doctypes and selecting text on IE 6 Message-ID: >I have 2 versions of the same page here but with different doctypes... > >XHTML Transitional >http://www.michaelefford.com.au/asset/index_xhtml.shtml > >HTML Transitional >http://www.michaelefford.com.au/asset/index_html.shtml > >The problem I am having is in IE 6. Using the XHTML doctype causes very >wierd things to happen when you try and select any text on the page. >Basically, it either selects all or nothing. >Using the HTML doctype fixes that issue, but then the page doesn't validate >because of all the /> at the end of tags. > >Is there a way to make it XHTML valid, and have decent text selections in >IE >6? Add on the very first line. It's perfectly valid, but IE6 falls back into Quirks Mode and the problem disappears (at least, that's what's supposed to happen). Let me know if it works. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk Tue Sep 3 03:36:01 2002 From: robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk (Rob Wilson) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:36:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache References: Message-ID: <009f01c25324$d5f31180$2c01020a@Beanstalk> > So the settings in php.ini are irrelevant for Apache PHP running locally unless I want to connect to my > isp, makes sense thank you The settings are relevant in that you need to specify a valid smtp server in order to be able to send mail via php, whether this is locally, on your network or an isp's makes no odds. Your script will fall over until it has a valid SMTP server to connect to. >Do you think it's worth installing a smtp server? Depends on what connection you have really, if you're on some form of always on you might as well use your ISP's smtp server. If on the other hand you're on dialup it might be worth running a combined smtp/pop3 server. Equally the other issue is how confident would you be in setting up and running an smtp server ? HTH Rob From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 03:36:25 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:36:25 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= changing the layout! Message-ID: >I'm at a loss with this problem--when I run the enclosed code, by assigning >style.display- "block", my alignment is thrown off; extra space is added >between each row. When the page first loads, it's fine. This works fine in >IE 5 or 6, but Netscape 6 doesn't render it correctly. Please help! Is >there a workaround? Try display: table-row for NN6. But more recent builds do accept display: block and still show the TR fine. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From listman at hazard0us.org Tue Sep 3 03:38:00 2002 From: listman at hazard0us.org (listman at hazard0us.org) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:38:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] sql server / asp hosting Message-ID: Hi : I am looking for a good/cheap/reliable SQL Server 2000 & ASP3 hosting provider. On SQL Server i specifically need full text catalog creation/access and possibly access to sql server configuration stuff like noise word-list files. Anybody have any suggestions ? Ashok p.s: some other lists recommended : http://mavweb.net and http://www.orcsweb.com ------ Ashok Hariharan http://www.unganisha.org ------ From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Sep 3 03:42:01 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache In-Reply-To: <009f01c25324$d5f31180$2c01020a@Beanstalk> Message-ID: Rob I am only going to live once :) what could possibly go wrong apart from losing all my data! Could you recommend a (free!) smtp server i am using a dial up connection for this machine. Andrew :) -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Rob Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 09:35 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] SMTP Apache > So the settings in php.ini are irrelevant for Apache PHP running locally unless I want to connect to my > isp, makes sense thank you The settings are relevant in that you need to specify a valid smtp server in order to be able to send mail via php, whether this is locally, on your network or an isp's makes no odds. Your script will fall over until it has a valid SMTP server to connect to. >Do you think it's worth installing a smtp server? Depends on what connection you have really, if you're on some form of always on you might as well use your ISP's smtp server. If on the other hand you're on dialup it might be worth running a combined smtp/pop3 server. Equally the other issue is how confident would you be in setting up and running an smtp server ? HTH Rob -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk Tue Sep 3 03:46:01 2002 From: robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk (Rob Wilson) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:46:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache References: Message-ID: <00b501c25326$488e4060$2c01020a@Beanstalk> Heh, we use *nix servers here so I have very little idea of win32 servers I'm afraid. http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Internet/Servers/Mail/ That might turn up a few options. Rob From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Sep 3 03:53:00 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Sep 3 03:53:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Apache In-Reply-To: <00b501c25326$488e4060$2c01020a@Beanstalk> Message-ID: Thank you Rob very much appreciated -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Rob Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 09:46 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] SMTP Apache Heh, we use *nix servers here so I have very little idea of win32 servers I'm afraid. http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Internet/Servers/Mail/ That might turn up a few options. Rob -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From richard.bennett at skynet.be Tue Sep 3 05:57:00 2002 From: richard.bennett at skynet.be (Richard Bennett) Date: Tue Sep 3 05:57:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Perl regexp question Message-ID: <0eda01c25338$6b5c72d0$3a3988d9@wwwv7zwbf035xj> Hi, In a perl parser I'm trying to get the value of a keyword. Possible values are: project=main project =main project= main project = main And all the above with quotes: project="main" And with different case: Project=Main Just the word main should be returned, in lower case. what I have so far is this: $line = "project = main"; $line =~ m/project\s?=\s?"?(.*)"?/i); $tmp=$1; $tmp =~ s/"//g; $tmp = lc($tmp); But it doesn't seem to work in all cases, and is a bit messy... any ideas? Thanks, Richard. From magnus at slackware.adsl.dk Tue Sep 3 06:39:01 2002 From: magnus at slackware.adsl.dk (Magnus =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8stergaard?=) Date: Tue Sep 3 06:39:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] How do I fix http '406 Not Acceptable' errors? Message-ID: <3D749F26.C2343D5A@slackware.adsl.dk> Hi, I couldn't find the answer on google or their FAQ so I hope one of you can help. What is the cause of the 406 errors I'm getting from googlebot? (some old logging follows) access_log: crawler12.googlebot.com - - [08/Aug/2002:08:15:44 +0200] "GET /contact HTTP/1.0" 406 426 "-" "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)" error_log: [Thu Aug 8 08:15:44 2002] [error] [client 64.68.82.66] no acceptable variant: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/contact I'm using mod_negotiation and it seems like a lot of bots return a 406 error. The page (http://example.com/contact and http://excample.com/contact.php) works fine in normal browsers, so what gives? I'm using Apache 1.3.26 and PHP 4.1.2 Kind regards // Magnus -- Magnus ?stergaard What we need is more "Freedom" and less "FreeDumb" -- Bruce Perens From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Sep 3 06:50:00 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Sep 3 06:50:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Postcast In-Reply-To: <009f01c25324$d5f31180$2c01020a@Beanstalk> Message-ID: Rob I have just installed postcast which is only a smtp server and is working a ok (very straightforward, in fact it was so easy i am not impressed!) should I have used a smtp/pop3 server? or will this do the job? I have changed the ini setiings but still getting the same error Could not connect to smtp host : 9 : Bad file descriptor Andrew > So the settings in php.ini are irrelevant for Apache PHP running locally unless I want to connect to my > isp, makes sense thank you The settings are relevant in that you need to specify a valid smtp server in order to be able to send mail via php, whether this is locally, on your network or an isp's makes no odds. Your script will fall over until it has a valid SMTP server to connect to. >Do you think it's worth installing a smtp server? Depends on what connection you have really, if you're on some form of always on you might as well use your ISP's smtp server. If on the other hand you're on dialup it might be worth running a combined smtp/pop3 server. Equally the other issue is how confident would you be in setting up and running an smtp server ? HTH Rob --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk Tue Sep 3 06:57:01 2002 From: robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk (Rob Wilson) Date: Tue Sep 3 06:57:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Postcast References: Message-ID: <00ed01c25340$fc3cca90$2c01020a@Beanstalk> AFAIK That should have done the job. You're at the limits of my experience I'm afraid so I'm not going to be much / any help from here on in :/ Rob From ccosta at servidores.net Tue Sep 3 06:57:12 2002 From: ccosta at servidores.net (Carlos Costa Portela) Date: Tue Sep 3 06:57:12 2002 Subject: [thelist] Perl regexp question In-Reply-To: <0eda01c25338$6b5c72d0$3a3988d9@wwwv7zwbf035xj> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Richard Bennett wrote: > Hi, > In a perl parser I'm trying to get the value of a keyword. > > Possible values are: > > project=main > project =main > project= main > project = main > And all the above with quotes: > project="main" > And with different case: > Project=Main Try with $line = "project = main"; ($data,$value) = split("=",$line); $value =~ s/\ //g; Good luck, Carlos. _______Carlos Costa Portela_________________________________________________ | e-mail: ccosta at servidores.net | home page: http://casa.ccp.servidores.net | |_____T?dalas persoas maiores foron nenos antes, pero poucas se lembran______| From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Tue Sep 3 07:22:00 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Tue Sep 3 07:22:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Postcast PHP error In-Reply-To: <00ed01c25340$fc3cca90$2c01020a@Beanstalk> Message-ID: Thank Rob the installation of the smtp server has made a difference and changing the php.ini file too alas I get a different error :) Ran into problems sending Mail. Response: 500 unknown ??? command "localhost" Andrew -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Rob Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:57 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] SMTP Postcast AFAIK That should have done the job. You're at the limits of my experience I'm afraid so I'm not going to be much / any help from here on in :/ Rob -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com Tue Sep 3 07:30:05 2002 From: Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com (Stevenson Ngila) Date: Tue Sep 3 07:30:05 2002 Subject: [thelist] form elements on a div plus javascript Message-ID: when a form is not build on a div, the form elements values can be picked in javascript using: document.formname.formelement.value. if the form is on a div, how do you pick the form element values in javascript? Thanks, Stevenson Ngila Footman-Walker Associates Ltd http://www.footman-walker.co.uk From joshua at waetech.com Tue Sep 3 07:46:01 2002 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Tue Sep 3 07:46:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL: Eliminating Duplicates with .getRows() References: <000501c252fb$baab69a0$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <11bf01c25347$ce14faa0$0200a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kogler" Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:41 PM > SQL looks like a work of art, Rudy, but it appears as if Access doesn't > support the join... Is there another way to do it? In my original post, > I had something to the effect of: Since you are using Access, have you re-looked at the putting the select query within the IN clause, such as this: SELECT fields FROM table WHERE sID IN ( [a select that grabs the sIDs] ) That query will remove the duplicates as well. In your case, something like: select sID, sNumber, sTitle, sOshaAnsi, aApp from xrefAppsSigns , tblSigns where sID IN ( select sID from xrefAppsSigns , tblSigns where aNumber = sNumber and aApp LIKE '%s%' union select sID from tblSigns , xrefAppsSigns where sNumber = aNumber and sTitle LIKE '%s%' ) and sNumber = aNumber -joshua From Dave.Naden at sas.com Tue Sep 3 08:02:01 2002 From: Dave.Naden at sas.com (Dave Naden) Date: Tue Sep 3 08:02:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= changing the layout! Message-ID: <590086B5F26F294298B8C8C5C43619440B177E@merc16.na.sas.com> Thanks for the reply, but this makes it just worse! Did you try the code? (I'm using NN 6.23) -dave naden -----Original Message----- From: Peter-Paul Koch [mailto:gassinaumasis at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:35 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= changing the layout! >I'm at a loss with this problem--when I run the enclosed code, by assigning >style.display- "block", my alignment is thrown off; extra space is added >between each row. When the page first loads, it's fine. This works fine in >IE 5 or 6, but Netscape 6 doesn't render it correctly. Please help! Is >there a workaround? Try display: table-row for NN6. But more recent builds do accept display: block and still show the TR fine. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 08:19:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue Sep 3 08:19:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= changing the layout! Message-ID: >Thanks for the reply, but this makes it just worse! Did you try the code? >(I'm using NN 6.23) -dave naden I did use the code, but ages ago in NN6.1 or something. For more help I need to see the page (*no* attachments please, URL). ppk > >I'm at a loss with this problem--when I run the enclosed code, by >assigning > >style.display- "block", my alignment is thrown off; extra space is added > >between each row. When the page first loads, it's fine. This works fine >in > >IE 5 or 6, but Netscape 6 doesn't render it correctly. Please help! Is > >there a workaround? > >Try display: table-row for NN6. But more recent builds do accept display: >block and still show the TR fine. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From aaron at youngpup.net Tue Sep 3 08:40:01 2002 From: aaron at youngpup.net (Aaron Boodman) Date: Tue Sep 3 08:40:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] form elements on a div plus javascript References: Message-ID: <014401c25368$13a9bb30$6501a8c0@youngpup1> > if the form is on a div, how do you pick the form element values in > javascript? It doesn't make an difference *unless* you are in navigator 4.x and the div is absolutely-positioned with CSS. In that case, the div magically becomes a proprietary navigator 4 construct called a "layer". In that case, the layer becomes it's own document. If you had:
In navigator 4.x only, to get the value of myTextbox, you'd need: window.document.layers.myDiv.document.myForm.myTextbox.value; g'luck -- Aaron Boodman aaron | www @ youngpup.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevenson Ngila" To: "Thelist at Lists. Evolt. Org" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:25 AM Subject: [thelist] form elements on a div plus javascript > when a form is not build on a div, the form elements values can be picked in > javascript using: > document.formname.formelement.value. > > if the form is on a div, how do you pick the form element values in > javascript? > > Thanks, > Stevenson Ngila > Footman-Walker Associates Ltd > http://www.footman-walker.co.uk > > > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From K_HEYTINK at winebow.com Tue Sep 3 10:00:00 2002 From: K_HEYTINK at winebow.com (Kathleen Heytink) Date: Tue Sep 3 10:00:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Event Registration System Message-ID: <06154D6549B7D5119FC100508BB02DED016AC403@nj10-exchange.winebow.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Burhan [mailto:burhankhalid at members.evolt.org] > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:02 PM > I have been searching for a couple of days now, but can't seem to > find something like this, and I know that I am not the first person > to find a need for this. What I need is a system (language is > really not an issue yet) where the administrator can schedule > events, and then users can register to attend these events. We are using something similar to this for our wine tasting events. We have an online form for participants to fill out, then data is collected in a database which can be downloaded in a CSV file. Maintenance functions - adding/deleting events, changing confirmation message, etc. are carried out via a function on our intranet. I designed the form, and our database and development company - WebmasterUSA did the rest. If you are interested in having them set it up for you, their web site is - http://www.webmasterusa.com -- Kath Heytink Web Designer Winebow, Inc www.winebow.com -- From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Tue Sep 3 10:12:00 2002 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Tue Sep 3 10:12:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] good resources for beginner - HTML, CSS, ASP, XML Message-ID: <092C0521BB49C34AB7DF7578B6D513E00142AF50@fsjubj09> Hi all, I've got a new guy that needs to get up to speed quickly on HTML, CSS, ASP, and later XML. My problem is, I'm a trained programmer with years of experience doing this stuff, whereas he is not. He's technically competent and has worked on UNIX systems before (using specialized applications, not general administration), but not done any form of scripting at all. He's a smart guy and very eager to learn, and I have no doubt he'll soak this stuff up like a sponge. However, since I am essentially self-taught since Mosaic was a pup and he needs to get working in a short time (I may be gone within six months), I'm wondering what combination of books/sites would you recommend for someone coming from square one, with no knowledge of web development concepts at all (except for knowing TCP/IP), to learn the material? He's going through the HTML tutorials at www.w3schools.com right now. Any other resources you could provide would be great. I'm specifically looking for the "good" sites and books you have used to learn HTML & XHTML, CSS, ASP 3.0 with VBScript, and XML & XSL. Of course I plan to sign him up for this mailing list as well. ;) Any input much appreciated. Thanks! -dave From info at warbassedesign.com Tue Sep 3 10:18:01 2002 From: info at warbassedesign.com (Philip Warbasse) Date: Tue Sep 3 10:18:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] good resources for beginner - HTML, CSS, ASP, XML References: <092C0521BB49C34AB7DF7578B6D513E00142AF50@fsjubj09> Message-ID: <002501c2535b$f18d16c0$53020344@ph.cox.net> Hi Dave, This subject comes up every now and again on thelist. I really learned a lot from www.webmonkey.com There is also a compiled list on evolt that is very good. Good luck. Philip Warbasse www.warbassedesign.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:11 AM Subject: [thelist] good resources for beginner - HTML, CSS, ASP, XML > Hi all, > > I've got a new guy that needs to get up to speed quickly on HTML, CSS, ASP, > and later XML. My problem is, I'm a trained programmer with years of > experience doing this stuff, whereas he is not. He's technically competent > and has worked on UNIX systems before (using specialized applications, not > general administration), but not done any form of scripting at all. > > He's a smart guy and very eager to learn, and I have no doubt he'll soak > this stuff up like a sponge. However, since I am essentially self-taught > since Mosaic was a pup and he needs to get working in a short time (I may be > gone within six months), I'm wondering what combination of books/sites would > you recommend for someone coming from square one, with no knowledge of web > development concepts at all (except for knowing TCP/IP), to learn the > material? He's going through the HTML tutorials at www.w3schools.com right > now. Any other resources you could provide would be great. > > I'm specifically looking for the "good" sites and books you have used to > learn HTML & XHTML, CSS, ASP 3.0 with VBScript, and XML & XSL. > > Of course I plan to sign him up for this mailing list as well. ;) > > Any input much appreciated. > > Thanks! > -dave > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From Dave.Naden at sas.com Tue Sep 3 10:32:01 2002 From: Dave.Naden at sas.com (Dave Naden) Date: Tue Sep 3 10:32:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= changing the layout! Message-ID: <590086B5F26F294298B8C8C5C43619440C9E99@merc16.na.sas.com> Here's the code, inside the email : Test Page to find out why NN6 is not rendering this thing right!
First table
Second table
Third table
-----Original Message----- From: Peter-Paul Koch [mailto:gassinaumasis at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:19 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= changing the layout! >Thanks for the reply, but this makes it just worse! Did you try the code? >(I'm using NN 6.23) -dave naden I did use the code, but ages ago in NN6.1 or something. For more help I need to see the page (*no* attachments please, URL). ppk > >I'm at a loss with this problem--when I run the enclosed code, by >assigning > >style.display- "block", my alignment is thrown off; extra space is added > >between each row. When the page first loads, it's fine. This works fine >in > >IE 5 or 6, but Netscape 6 doesn't render it correctly. Please help! Is > >there a workaround? > >Try display: table-row for NN6. But more recent builds do accept display: >block and still show the TR fine. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Matt at grndwtr.com Tue Sep 3 11:01:01 2002 From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski) Date: Tue Sep 3 11:01:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] popup window size Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B01280383FA3@mail1> Hi Evolters! The piece of code below is in a table cell. The problem is defining the size of the popup window. Works fine in Mozilla, Opera 6.04 but fills the whole screen in IE.5.0 and I don't see why. Any hints?? multiple PDF Files TIA Regards Matthias Ritzkowski From lwkraemer at directvinternet.com Tue Sep 3 11:17:02 2002 From: lwkraemer at directvinternet.com (lon.kraemer) Date: Tue Sep 3 11:17:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] popup window size References: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B01280383FA3@mail1> Message-ID: <001301c25365$19b379b0$0201a8c0@yoda> > The piece of code below is in a table cell. The problem is defining the size > of the popup window. Works fine in Mozilla, Opera 6.04 but fills the whole > screen in IE.5.0 and I don't see why. Any hints?? > > multiple PDF Files width="16" border="0" > onClick="window.open('multiple_pdf.php?pn=','mywindow','titleba r=no > , left=50, height=200, location=no, menubar=no,status=no, toolbar=no, > top=50, width=250')";"> Looks like too many quotes? ...top=50, width=250');"> -- Lon Kraemer ----------------------------------------- From carole at pixeltable.com Tue Sep 3 11:27:01 2002 From: carole at pixeltable.com (carole guevin) Date: Tue Sep 3 11:27:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name In-Reply-To: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B01280383FA3@mail1> Message-ID: hi everyone, would like your comments and alert you to a new kind of domain name squatting??? Follows my original post and their reply. anybody else have encountered this? how would you handle it? tx. .c >Domain: netdiver.tk > >Please have http://www.netdiver.tk removed from your server NOW since it >is validating our copyright to http://www.netdiver.net. The copycat is >displaying our interface, design, and content. ++++++++++++++++++ Dear Carole, Thank you for your email pointing out the domain issue. My name is Balder Alofs. I work with Dot TK and Joost Zurbier, the technical manager of the .TK "ccTLD" (Country Code Top Level Domain) as appointed by ICANN and IANA. We are very sensitive to the situation you indicated in your email and intend to take care of the matter immediately. So that you understand Dot TK's business, how this occurred, as well as how the resolution affects you, please allow me to explain briefly: Dot TK is the exclusive registry of .TK domain names. Very basically, we offer two services: 1. We offer users the opportunity to register a FREEDOMAIN.TK: with this service, users can register the domain name for FREE, but they do not acquire the licensing (legal) rights. These rights remain with Dot TK. We then point the FREEDOMAIN.tk to any existing, live site on the Web requested by the registrant. This is a "Referral" URL. 2. Users may also purchase a PAIDDOMAIN.TK: this service is like that offered by any other ccTLD. The registrant purchases a license for a .tk domain name, for an annual fee. The difference here is that we accept registrants worldwide, while many ccTLD managers do not. In any event, the registrant in question (the one using the domain you object to) is a user of a FREEDOMAIN.TK. The registrant elected to obtain the domain "XXXXXXX.TK". This means that it is a domain which Dot TK is the legal holder of. This is fortunate for you because it means that we have the authority to deactivate the domain. In fact, we have elected to release this domain name from the current registrant as a FREEDOMAIN.tk and as we are unable to remove it entirely as a domain option, we are making it available as a PAIDDOMAIN.tk only. The registration fee is $ per year. You have a few options as it relates to the domain. You may now register the domain if you wish, or you may leave it in the pool to be registered by anyone else willing to pay for it. I would recommend you purchase the domain and secure it for your own use. You can easily register it via our Website at http://www.Dot.TK. We have registered more than 450,000 FREE and PAID Dot TK domains since our launch earlier this year, so many people all over the world already recognize he .tk extension. We believe you will find it to be a worthwhile investment in your Internet business. We are hopeful that this resolves the issue. With kind regards, Balder Alofs Dot TK Support www.Dot.TK mailto:balder at dot.tk "Dividing Domains Differently" From Anthony at Baratta.com Tue Sep 3 11:36:00 2002 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Tue Sep 3 11:36:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] popup window size In-Reply-To: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B01280383FA3@mail1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020903093333.02e97b20@baratta.com> At 09:00 AM 9/3/2002, Matthias Ritzkowski wrote: >multiple PDF Fileswidth="16" border="0" >onClick="window.open('multiple_pdf.php?pn=','mywindow','titlebar=no >, left=50, height=200, location=no, menubar=no,status=no, toolbar=no, >top=50, width=250')";"> One thing I would change is match up top and left & height and width, so the pairs are "together". --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From richardgray at onetel.co.uk Tue Sep 3 11:43:00 2002 From: richardgray at onetel.co.uk (Rich Gray) Date: Tue Sep 3 11:43:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] SMTP Postcast PHP error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andrew SMTP error 500 usually means an invalid command was sent to the server. What was the mail() command used in your PHP script? What are the SMTP [mail_function] settings in your php.ini file? Cheers Rich -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Maynes Sent: 03 September 2002 13:24 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] SMTP Postcast PHP error Thank Rob the installation of the smtp server has made a difference and changing the php.ini file too alas I get a different error :) Ran into problems sending Mail. Response: 500 unknown ??? command "localhost" Andrew -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Rob Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:57 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] SMTP Postcast AFAIK That should have done the job. You're at the limits of my experience I'm afraid so I'm not going to be much / any help from here on in :/ Rob -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From VHeilman at eAngler.com Tue Sep 3 12:08:01 2002 From: VHeilman at eAngler.com (Vince Heilman) Date: Tue Sep 3 12:08:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Best message board product Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> Ken Kogler wrote: >>> http://forum.snitz.com/ I'll give a thid vote to this one. I've used it for a while now, no problems. Win2k servers, ASP, SQL. Good developer community. -Vince > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen J. Bowen [mailto:lists at miinx.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:08 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] Best message board product > > > Ken Kogler wrote: > > http://forum.snitz.com/ > > I'll second this, have used Snitz Forums with many client > sites and find > it extremely easy to set up and hugely configurable. > > hth, > Karen > ------- > Miinx Design & Development > e :: karen at miinx.com.au > p :: 0413.880.302 > w :: www.miinx.com.au > > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From JGreen at desmoinesmetro.com Tue Sep 3 12:15:00 2002 From: JGreen at desmoinesmetro.com (Janet Green) Date: Tue Sep 3 12:15:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Best message board product Message-ID: <7245DCF24646B944B6BE516574FA54FEA4E445@gdmp03.desmoinesmetro.com> >>>>> Ken Kogler wrote: >>> http://forum.snitz.com/ I'll give a thid vote to this one. I've used it for a while now, no problems. Win2k servers, ASP, SQL. Good developer community.<<< Make that fourth vote. We're using Snitz and it works great, easy to administer. -Janet www.desmoinesmetro.com/forum From SCaudill at municode.com Tue Sep 3 12:28:01 2002 From: SCaudill at municode.com (Stephen Caudill) Date: Tue Sep 3 12:28:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] NS 7, Mozilla problem Message-ID: I have a drop down menu that is doing some very strange things in NS 7(not the beta, the full version) and Mozilla. When moused over, it seems to avoid the mouse... it litterally moves up and down quickly creating a most annoying effect. Has anyone experienced this before? Any ideas as to whats causing it? You can find it at: http://www.mccimaging.com All thoughts/comments appreciated. Stephen Caudill Web Designer Municipal Code Corporation www.municode.com www.mccimaging.com From hassan at webtuitive.com Tue Sep 3 12:41:00 2002 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Tue Sep 3 12:41:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] NS 7, Mozilla problem References: Message-ID: <3D74F3F6.1060607@webtuitive.com> Stephen Caudill wrote: > I have a drop down menu that is doing some very strange things in NS > 7(not the beta, the full version) and Mozilla. When moused over, it > seems to avoid the mouse... it litterally moves up and down quickly.. > http://www.mccimaging.com FWIW, I'm not seeing any such problem on Moz 1.0/Win2K. -- H* Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 -- From SCaudill at municode.com Tue Sep 3 12:57:01 2002 From: SCaudill at municode.com (Stephen Caudill) Date: Tue Sep 3 12:57:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] NS 7, Mozilla problem Message-ID: Thats encouraging, however I am definitely getting the error in mozilla 1.1 on win2k and NS7... arrgh. Stephen Caudill Web Designer Municipal Code Corporation www.municode.com www.mccimaging.com FWIW, I'm not seeing any such problem on Moz 1.0/Win2K. From rwd at csi1st.net Tue Sep 3 13:08:01 2002 From: rwd at csi1st.net (Ron Dorman) Date: Tue Sep 3 13:08:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] NS 7, Mozilla problem References: Message-ID: <3D74F8AE.5060405@csi1st.net> I don't have NS7, but NS6.2.3, Win2K your dropdowns work nicely. Ron D. Stephen Caudill wrote: >I have a drop down menu that is doing some very strange things in . . . > From r937 at interlog.com Tue Sep 3 13:40:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Sep 3 13:40:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] popup window size Message-ID: <01c25379$2a3d3dc0$LocalHost@rudy> > Any hints?? > >onClick="window.open('multiple_pdf.php?pn=','mywindow','titlebar= no >, left=50, height=200, location=no, menubar=no,status=no, toolbar=no, >top=50, width=250')";"> remove the spaces in the attribute string .jeff would say you don't need any attributes that specify "no" but it's a good idea to leave them in so that you don't have to remember the syntax if you want to set one of them to "yes" rudy From r937 at interlog.com Tue Sep 3 13:47:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Sep 3 13:47:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] popup window size Message-ID: <01c2537a$47759940$LocalHost@rudy> p.s. since you have top and left, you may want to add screenx and screeny one pair's for internet explorer, the other for netscape, dunno which ones opera uses rudy From abuse at he.net Tue Sep 3 13:58:00 2002 From: abuse at he.net (Hurricane Electric Abuse Dept.) Date: Tue Sep 3 13:58:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] PHP Hosting - he.net In-Reply-To: <008101c25027$15a3acf0$2532fc80@pravda> Message-ID: Hello, Hurricane Electric has a very strict zero tolerance spam policy. Additionally email addresses are not sold or distributed in any way. There are no lists generated to compile addresses in our system. Your information with us is always private. The only information we are able to release is accessable to the public (such as from the whois database). Your personal information and information regarding your account, including email addresses, are protected. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you. +-----------------------------------------+ | Hurricane Electric Abuse Department | | abuse at he.net http://he.net/webtos.html | +-----------------------------------------+ On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, David U. wrote: > { schaapy } wrote: > > I've hosted with he.net for a couple years now and have hosted almost > > ALL my clients on them. They were great and had great prices. > > However, today I just got an email that said he.net sold a list of > > user emails to various companies and I will now be getting SPAM from > > these people. > > Uhh, please forward this email to the list. > > I know a few people who work or have worked at HE.net. A group I work with > colo's almost 20 boxes there. I would be very surprised if this were true. > > -davidu > > From haagj at ctcgsc.org Tue Sep 3 13:58:11 2002 From: haagj at ctcgsc.org (Haag, Jason) Date: Tue Sep 3 13:58:11 2002 Subject: [thelist] dangers of using contenteditable? Message-ID: <5A69399A2BB6504B9193F0A1660A5CF902DB9C@pefl-mail1.pefl.ctcgsc.org> Does anyone know of any explicit dangers of using the 'contenteditable' property? I thought some evolt members might like to check this out: Has anyone heard of xopus? Xopus is a fully browser based WYSIWYG validating XML editor. Xopus is the ultimate tool to enable common users to edit XML in a Microsoft Word like environment. Due to its standards compliant architecture, deployment is a breeze. No browserplugins or ActiveX installs are needed (1). Most XML Schema's and XSL Stylesheets can be used as-is. Xopus is platform independant, it runs in Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5+, Netscape 7+ and Mozilla 1.0+. Q42's long expected Xopus open source version is released! Website: http://www.xopus.org Online demo: http://xopus.org/demo Download: http://xopus.org/downloads/Xopus200207090117OS.zip From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 14:36:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue Sep 3 14:36:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= changing the layout! Message-ID: > > > >
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So you're trying to display a TABLE, not a TR. Theoretically display: table would do the trick, though I never tried it. I'm reasonably sure that display: block works on TR's in NN6.2 and up. ppk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From richard.bennett at skynet.be Tue Sep 3 15:43:00 2002 From: richard.bennett at skynet.be (Richard Bennett) Date: Tue Sep 3 15:43:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Perl regexp question References: Message-ID: <114c01c2538a$221f15d0$3a3988d9@wwwv7zwbf035xj> Hi, <----- Original Message ----- Message-ID: Today, the cows mooved Richard Bennett to write: > For some reason the string changed to: > project=3Dmain instead of project=main. > > Does anyone know where the 3D comes from, and whether it's a fixed value I > can parse out, or whether it could change? According to WinXP Charmap, 3D is =. So it sounds like your writer is using double equal signs, or something. If i knew perl regexes better i'd offer a suggestion, but i only just started learning perl myself, and seem to be blanking on syntax. . . . -- Jonathon Isaac Swiderski \\ dangercat-20 at dangercat.net cs.oberlin.edu/~jswiders \\ www.dangercat.net/?id=mt People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. -- Soren Kierkegaard From joel at spinhead.com Tue Sep 3 17:02:00 2002 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Tue Sep 3 17:02:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Konqueror selecting multiple buttons simulteanously Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] A coworker is developing a web tool for use on Linux boxes. We've developed a pretty standard nav bar, with graphical buttons and JavaScript mouseovers. It works well in various versions of IE, Opera, and NN on PC, and on NN on Linux. In Konqueror, when you roll *near* the buttons, all buttons from the closest to the top of the navbar are highlighted as if the mouseover is firing for all. And, no matter which button you click, the HREF for the first button loads. Any ideas? Code etc available if it will help. joel From dmah at members.evolt.org Tue Sep 3 17:37:01 2002 From: dmah at members.evolt.org (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Sep 3 17:37:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Perl regexp question In-Reply-To: <114c01c2538a$221f15d0$3a3988d9@wwwv7zwbf035xj> References: <114c01c2538a$221f15d0$3a3988d9@wwwv7zwbf035xj> Message-ID: <20020903223203.GA2352@alice.cg.shawcable.net> See: http://www.nacs.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/MIME/1521/05_Content-Transfer-Encoding.html#5.1 The = sign indicates that the next two characters are hexadecimal and represent the character being encoded. Dean On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 10:40:24PM +0200, Richard Bennett wrote: > Also a good idea, but with the same limitation, I'd need to do it to each > line of the email, which would give wrong results if there was another = > somewhere. > > It seems my problem wasn't so much with the reqexp, but with users sending > html email. > For some reason the string changed to: > project=3Dmain instead of project=main. > > Does anyone know where the 3D comes from, and whether it's a fixed value I > can parse out, or whether it could change? From cparker at swatgear.com Tue Sep 3 17:43:01 2002 From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker) Date: Tue Sep 3 17:43:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] ACCESSIBILITY: working with nn4.x and everything else (who'd of guessed?) Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE033091@ati-ex-01.ati.local> hi. my problem is a common one i'm sure. in ie6 (i remember this being true for 5 and 5.5 also) my text field box is much smaller than in nn4.x even though i've specified the same number of character widths. i know this is because each browser uses a different font. my question though is, how can i best deal with this? should i... * rely on CSS? * make my IE box really short so that when it's viewed in nn4.x it doesn't wreck the layout? * use some server side script to detect the browser and then write in an appropriate value for each? * use a client side script to detect the browser and then write in an appropriate value for each? those are the only options i could think of. i'm voting for CSS, but i don't see how i can make my IE box big, while my NN box stays small. moz, opera, and nn6 all seem to make the box smaller than even IE does, so i'm not worried about those guys. any ideas? thanks, chris. From michael at tapinternet.com Tue Sep 3 17:47:00 2002 From: michael at tapinternet.com (Michael Kimsal) Date: Tue Sep 3 17:47:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] ACCESSIBILITY: working with nn4.x and everything else (who'd of guessed?) In-Reply-To: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE033091@ati-ex-01.ati.local> References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE033091@ati-ex-01.ati.local> Message-ID: <1031093427.5179.5.camel@lunix> On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 18:42, Chris W. Parker wrote: > hi. > > my problem is a common one i'm sure. in ie6 (i remember this being true > for 5 and 5.5 also) my text field box is much smaller than in nn4.x even > though i've specified the same number of character widths. i know this > is because each browser uses a different font. my question though is, > how can i best deal with this? should i... > > * rely on CSS? > * make my IE box really short so that when it's viewed in nn4.x it > doesn't wreck the layout? > * use some server side script to detect the browser and then write in an > appropriate value for each? > * use a client side script to detect the browser and then write in an > appropriate value for each? > > those are the only options i could think of. i'm voting for CSS, but i > don't see how i can make my IE box big, while my NN box stays small. > > No one answer, because you'll have to decide - I've seen people do all of the above in different situations. The problem is not the font specifically, it's how the browser's approximate the size. IE (I think) uses the width of the widest character, and NS uses an average font width to determine the size. Maybe it's reversed - I can't remember. I do know that I've tested this theory before - putting in 'cols=30' means that I can type 30 W characters in one browser. 30 W characters in the other browser would be too wide. HTH From jlucido at version4.com Tue Sep 3 18:08:01 2002 From: jlucido at version4.com (Jeff Lucido) Date: Tue Sep 3 18:08:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] DHTML expanding lists Message-ID: David: Thanks for your help! It seems my over complicating the problem was masking the true simplicity of what was trying to accomplish (damn engineer coming out again). Your ideas worked great and seem to be working well (IE 4+ on PC). I am placing it into our CMS system now so hopefully everything will play nicely when generated from the database. I did make a few changes but I kept true to your original idea. One thing I did to make sure the other layers were in their "off" state was to call your "hide" function first on the onclick command before I ran the "flip" function to turn that layer element on. Very simple and portable. Thanks a lot for your help! Kind regards, -JSLucido -----Original Message----- From: evolt at david.us-lot.org [mailto:evolt at david.us-lot.org] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:01 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] DHTML expanding lists On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 05:01:36PM -0500, Jeff Lucido wrote: > Evolters: > > I have been banging my head around here for a few days working on what > I thought was a simple implementation of an expanding DHTML listing. > Specifically, the project I am working on requires a listing of data > with one level of data underneath. For example: > > LINK 1 > LINK 2 > LINK 3 > link 3.1 > link 3.2 > link 3.3 > LINK 4 > link 4.1 > link 4.2 > link 4.3 > LINK5 > LINK 6 http://david.us-lot.org/dir.php?dir=/www-concepts/collapse > The tricky part is this listing of data is contained within a table > and varies in vertical position based on the information needed for > the page (i.e. the number of elements above link 3 will vary from page > to page). Secondly, links 1,2,5,6 are not part of the expanding list, > rather they are regular links to other pages. So, basically if the > visitor clicks on link 3 the below main links (4,5,6) would move down > accordingly based on the amount of links contained under link 3, with > the same being true for link 4. The visitor would then see the exposed > sub-links of 3.1,3.2,3.3. I have tried several scripts form a few > places (DHTMLCentral, DynamicDrive, etc.) but they are all called > using absolute positions and require the setting of a container height > for the possible amount of space needed to display the items. > > I hope I am making some sense here. All I really need it to do is when > a visitor clicks on a link which contains sub-links the main links > below it move down to accommodate the listing of sub-links. Also, when > a visitor "opens" a link (in the case number 3) and then opens another > link containing sub-links (in the case link 4) then the previously > opened one closes and the newly requested one opens. Nothing too hard, > right? Also, I do not care about persistence across clicks so when the > visitor returns to the page the proper link is still "open." > > If any kind soul out there has run into this and can lend some support > in any form I would be greatly appreciative. Some starting code follows, unfortunatly it doesn't collapse a open sections when another section is opened. I considered the possibility, but realised that I would have to make various checks so that an ancestor of the section being opened wasn't hidden. You might be able to use this as a starting point though. (Obviously you can replace the tags with s). flip.js: function flip(e) { if (document.getElementById(e).style.display == 'none') { document.getElementById(e).style.display = 'block'; } else { document.getElementById(e).style.display = 'none'; } } function hideall() { var Nodes = document.getElementsByTagName('ol') var max = Nodes.length for(var i = 0;i < max;i++) { var nodeObj = Nodes.item(i) nodeObj.style.display = 'none'; } } html: Collapsing Lists

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-- David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/ HTML email is a bit like using coloured paper and glitter ink on a CV. -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From simplecypher at bitshift.ws Tue Sep 3 18:08:22 2002 From: simplecypher at bitshift.ws (::kevination::) Date: Tue Sep 3 18:08:22 2002 Subject: [thelist] ACCESSIBILITY: working with nn4.x and everything else (who'd of guessed?) References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE033091@ati-ex-01.ati.local> Message-ID: <3D754145.8030500@bitshift.ws> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris W. Parker wrote: > hi. > > my problem is a common one i'm sure. in ie6 (i remember this being true > for 5 and 5.5 also) my text field box is much smaller than in nn4.x even > though i've specified the same number of character widths. i know this > is because each browser uses a different font. my question though is, > how can i best deal with this? should i... > > * rely on CSS? > * make my IE box really short so that when it's viewed in nn4.x it > doesn't wreck the layout? > * use some server side script to detect the browser and then write in an > appropriate value for each? > * use a client side script to detect the browser and then write in an > appropriate value for each? > > those are the only options i could think of. i'm voting for CSS, but i > don't see how i can make my IE box big, while my NN box stays small. If you are really worried about Accessibility then use a server-side script or CSS. The client-side script is totally out since the form must work with JavaScript disabled in order to pass basic levels of Accessibility. > moz, opera, and nn6 all seem to make the box smaller than even IE does, > so i'm not worried about those guys. If you are worried about people that have poor eyesight then you might want to do something about this as well. It's a tough call without a URL and more information about your users. Your best bet would be to solicit input from the very people you are worried about. You may discover that there is nothing to fix. - -- - --- kevin D. white email, simplecypher at bitshift.ws im, simplecypher - --- - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iQIVAwUBPXVBUe4zpFgPJZelAQLnzBAAnCjedH+m2Y/dcRaqL7huYjzbbE+EKI+T 51nlGR0Xf668UY7ned4CaTja1gIz+pKdFvx7v0koakn3TANsKDcexP7GZcUHM1/M 2HvoaKSxGDJ6fPHITUhftW0dRgmX4ZH3PPPj8QCmNxpSaHkcPdFhMnIyI1EQGr+S OhmeUuyzG5nps6U6PjGIzi35viYJqCBZ9PKDeN4TMENHsDFweP2evrqtBq6bqrUF 7DSAvtrXWuf3XAejDyBz0F2jpvRpDcRAmugjBxFo7iRSDOZQCZieJgH62bbQNnMd Ks/TSvhIhZFJd5DEbv5inI0I3XiRe0T6GUSSKPCcCHgnsmvxPiyGV4RYuoVy8twG Krls8Szn7PtRGeYSBOUQxXgNPB6S3H5SqxNyTrqumZSKm3L2ps8gqivRGWB+RVNj NPfVojXDJtxwUxFvSPK03g/XJ2ZfF7sP5PN8DzUfOcGVaEXJEvqR0W4c+s1DK09u z7iIJMK85H4PsBXtsJ2SdD24LR1RJANx9hZjR0gFplnkucppFGQFMaTipp0M1oUe 5KCifdZ+J6nyyHvVkwA5fcPH1nTwZE3Ot7oaJG8HoKo9tAlSTH6zZAWBEif4axC4 q0HeIQ8gJ3pxuQ1aUY9bP0K4er8MCu7ibYJj/+Na15RvcKIrJ8FamwFfdgmz9rpW xP+C3UZmL38= =oKu2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hassan at webtuitive.com Tue Sep 3 18:13:01 2002 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Tue Sep 3 18:13:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] ACCESSIBILITY: working with nn4.x and everything else (who'd of guessed?) References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE033091@ati-ex-01.ati.local> Message-ID: <3D7541F1.5070508@webtuitive.com> Chris W. Parker wrote: > my problem is a common one i'm sure. in ie6 (i remember this being true > for 5 and 5.5 also) my text field box is much smaller than in nn4.x even > though i've specified the same number of character widths. i know this > is because each browser uses a different font. my question though is, > how can i best deal with this? should i... size for NN4.x in character units and use CSS (which NN4'll ignore) to set the width appropriately for later browsers? Sure :-) -- H* Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 -- From richard.bennett at skynet.be Tue Sep 3 18:17:01 2002 From: richard.bennett at skynet.be (Richard Bennett) Date: Tue Sep 3 18:17:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Perl regexp question References: <114c01c2538a$221f15d0$3a3988d9@wwwv7zwbf035xj> <20020903223203.GA2352@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <11fe01c2539f$b65674e0$3a3988d9@wwwv7zwbf035xj> Hi, <----- Original Message ----- Message-ID: <000201c253a0$3df7fbd0$0808810a@eagle5> > size for NN4.x in character units and use CSS (which NN4'll ignore) > to set the width appropriately for later browsers? Sure :-) Exactly. NN4 ignores inline styles, so you could do something like this: Or, you could use the @import rule, which is believe is a bit safer as far as browser compatibility goes... HTH! --Ken From mike at nthwave.net Tue Sep 3 19:03:01 2002 From: mike at nthwave.net (Michael Mell) Date: Tue Sep 3 19:03:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Flash not working in IE6 Message-ID: <3D754D86.241160C@nthwave.net> Hi all, I have built a nifty Flash animation on my home page: http://www.nthwave.net/ (It's a "dynamic mandala") It works great. Only problem is, it doesn't work in IE6/Win at all. I'm not so concerned about this particular animation, as I am with another Flash I did for a client which suffers the same deficiency. Has anyone seen a problem playing perfectly good flash fines on IE6? know a workaround? I was unable to find anything helpful on the macromedia site. I'm using Flash MX 6.0 r25 thanks! -- mike[at]nthwave.net From lindsay at redsquare.com.au Tue Sep 3 19:09:00 2002 From: lindsay at redsquare.com.au (Lindsay Evans) Date: Tue Sep 3 19:09:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Flash not working in IE6 In-Reply-To: <3D754D86.241160C@nthwave.net> Message-ID: > Hi all, > I have built a nifty Flash animation on my home page: > http://www.nthwave.net/ > (It's a "dynamic mandala") > It works great. Only problem is, it doesn't work in IE6/Win at all. The uses the path "images/mandala07.swf", whereas the just has "mandala07.swf" -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au From n at industriality.com Tue Sep 3 19:12:01 2002 From: n at industriality.com (Nik Schramm) Date: Tue Sep 3 19:12:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Flash not working in IE6 References: <3D754D86.241160C@nthwave.net> Message-ID: <3D754F93.8070606@industriality.com> On 04.Sep.02 02:02 Michael Mell wrote > Only problem is, it doesn't work in IE6/Win at all. You have two different paths to your swf file in the (for ie) and (for everything else) tags within your html page: If you change the in the tag to , your swf will appear in IE. HTH -- /nik From ken.kogler at curf.edu Tue Sep 3 22:26:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Tue Sep 3 22:26:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help Message-ID: <000401c253c2$b75f1d60$0808810a@eagle5> This is one of those because-I-can projects -- more like a proof of concept than anything else. Problem is, my javascript skills suck. :) I'm making a dirty-words-filter for my blog. I'm wrapping each "bad" word in a tag, like this: dirty I've got a checkbox that calls "censor()" when it is clicked. At this point, censor() rips through all the spans within a with the ID of "content", and uses the .innerHTML property to change the word "dirty" to "******" Stupid (at least for my site), but amusing... :) You can see this in action here (), but if swear words offend you, don't click it please. No flames about offensive material -- you've been warned. There's more things I'd like it to do, but I can't figure out how to do it: 1) Replace each letter with a "*" (4 letter words replaced by "****" and 6 letter words replaced by "******", etc...) 2) Revert the "******" back to the dirty words when the checkbox is unchecked. Any help is appreciated! Thanks in advance. --Ken Almost forgot... here's censor() : ------------------------------------- function censor() { var totalSpans = content.getElementsByTagName("span").length; spans = document.body.getElementsByTagName("span"); if (document.styleForm.swearFilter.checked) { for (i=0;i Message-ID: <000501c253c3$4b614830$0808810a@eagle5> I'm slipping! It's past my bedtime... Here's the URL which was excluded from the last email: http://www.kenkogler.com/903/ Again, bad words ahead, so use discretion. Currently, if you want to revert the "*****" back into the dirty words, you have to refresh the page. Also, NOTHING works on the page except for the "Swear Filter On?" checkbox. All the links will 404, and the stylesheet switcher and login forms won't work either. Thanks again, evolters! --Ken From aaron at youngpup.net Tue Sep 3 22:31:11 2002 From: aaron at youngpup.net (Aaron Boodman) Date: Tue Sep 3 22:31:11 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help References: <000401c253c2$b75f1d60$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <001f01c253dc$33c193b0$6501a8c0@youngpup1> one of the great things about javascript: expando properties. function censor() { var totalSpans = content.getElementsByTagName("span").length; spans = document.body.getElementsByTagName("span"); if (document.styleForm.swearFilter.checked) { for (i=0;i To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help > This is one of those because-I-can projects -- more like a proof of > concept than anything else. > > Problem is, my javascript skills suck. :) > > I'm making a dirty-words-filter for my blog. I'm wrapping each "bad" > word in a tag, like this: > > dirty > > I've got a checkbox that calls "censor()" when it is clicked. At this > point, censor() rips through all the spans within a with the ID of > "content", and uses the .innerHTML property to change the word "dirty" > to "******" > > Stupid (at least for my site), but amusing... :) > > You can see this in action here (), but if swear words offend you, don't > click it please. No flames about offensive material -- you've been > warned. > > There's more things I'd like it to do, but I can't figure out how to do > it: > > 1) Replace each letter with a "*" (4 letter words replaced by "****" and > 6 letter words replaced by "******", etc...) > > 2) Revert the "******" back to the dirty words when the checkbox is > unchecked. > > Any help is appreciated! Thanks in advance. > > --Ken > > Almost forgot... here's censor() : > > ------------------------------------- > function censor() { > var totalSpans = content.getElementsByTagName("span").length; > spans = document.body.getElementsByTagName("span"); > if (document.styleForm.swearFilter.checked) { > for (i=0;i spans[i].innerHTML = '*****' > } > } else { > alert("you just unchecked the box!"); > } > > } > ------------------------------------- > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From ken.kogler at curf.edu Tue Sep 3 22:37:00 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Tue Sep 3 22:37:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help In-Reply-To: <001f01c253dc$33c193b0$6501a8c0@youngpup1> Message-ID: <000801c253c4$3dff6b80$0808810a@eagle5> > one of the great things about javascript: expando properties... > *[snip]* Works like a charm, but I'd still like to get the number of *'s to match the number of letters of each censored word. BTW, I *love* the design of youngpup... :) --Ken From aaron at youngpup.net Tue Sep 3 22:42:01 2002 From: aaron at youngpup.net (Aaron Boodman) Date: Tue Sep 3 22:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help References: <000801c253c4$3dff6b80$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <003301c253dd$ce0fe060$6501a8c0@youngpup1> > I'd still like to get the number of *'s to match > the number of letters of each censored word. whoops, missed that part. how about replace: spans[i].innerHTML = '*****' with: spans[i].innerHTML = spans[i].oldInnerHTML.replace(/./, "*"); > BTW, I *love* the design of youngpup... :) That's very kind. Thank-you. -- Aaron Boodman aaron | www @ youngpup.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kogler" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] .innerHTML help > > one of the great things about javascript: expando properties... > > *[snip]* > > Works like a charm, but I'd still like to get the number of *'s to match > the number of letters of each censored word. > > BTW, I *love* the design of youngpup... :) > > --Ken > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From lindsay at redsquare.com.au Tue Sep 3 22:43:01 2002 From: lindsay at redsquare.com.au (Lindsay Evans) Date: Tue Sep 3 22:43:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help In-Reply-To: <000801c253c4$3dff6b80$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: > Works like a charm, but I'd still like to get the number of *'s to match > the number of letters of each censored word. Expanding on Aaron's code: function censor() { var totalSpans = content.getElementsByTagName("span").length; spans = document.body.getElementsByTagName("span"); if (document.styleForm.swearFilter.checked) { for (i=0;i Message-ID: doh, missed an i... function censor() { var totalSpans = content.getElementsByTagName("span").length; spans = document.body.getElementsByTagName("span"); if (document.styleForm.swearFilter.checked) { for (i=0;i Message-ID: <000901c253c5$95a8de10$0808810a@eagle5> > spans[i].innerHTML = spans[i].oldInnerHTML.replace(/./, "*"); That's only replacing the first letter of each word. :( > /./, "*" Is that regex? I've tried and failed numerous times to learn it. Even read that highly-rated evolt article on it... --Ken From aaron at youngpup.net Tue Sep 3 22:53:01 2002 From: aaron at youngpup.net (Aaron Boodman) Date: Tue Sep 3 22:53:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help References: <000901c253c5$95a8de10$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <005401c253df$3bc4a270$6501a8c0@youngpup1> grr. I am so lame. should be: spans[i].innerHTML = spans[i].oldInnerHTML.replace(/./g, "*"); yep, tis a regex. it says "replace any letter [.] any number of times [g] with '*'". I highly recommend you invest some time in learning them. incredibly powerful, and portable to a number of langauges. I learned the basics of regex's from David Flanagan's O'Reilly book: Javascript: The Definitive Guide (chapter 7 I think?). But there's got to be bazillions of tutorials out there. -- Aaron Boodman aaron | www @ youngpup.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kogler" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] .innerHTML help > > spans[i].innerHTML = spans[i].oldInnerHTML.replace(/./, "*"); > > That's only replacing the first letter of each word. :( > > > /./, "*" > > Is that regex? I've tried and failed numerous times to learn it. Even > read that highly-rated evolt article on it... > > --Ken > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From simon at kuaninnovationstudio.com Tue Sep 3 22:56:01 2002 From: simon at kuaninnovationstudio.com (simon at kuaninnovationstudio.com) Date: Tue Sep 3 22:56:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] DON'T SEND ANYMORE E-MAIL TO ME!! References: <590086B5F26F294298B8C8C5C43619440C9E99@merc16.na.sas.com> Message-ID: <001f01c253c7$0e2d6ad0$0100a8c0@simon> DON'T SEND ANYMORE E-MAIL TO ME!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Naden" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= changing the layout! > Here's the code, inside the email : > > > > > > Test Page to find out why NN6 is not rendering this thing right! > > > >
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> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter-Paul Koch [mailto:gassinaumasis at hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:19 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] Netscape 6/7- trouble with style.display= > changing the layout! > > > >Thanks for the reply, but this makes it just worse! Did you try the code? > >(I'm using NN 6.23) -dave naden > > I did use the code, but ages ago in NN6.1 or something. For more help I > need to see the page (*no* attachments please, URL). > > ppk > > > >I'm at a loss with this problem--when I run the enclosed code, by > >assigning > > >style.display- "block", my alignment is thrown off; extra space is added > > >between each row. When the page first loads, it's fine. This works fine > >in > > >IE 5 or 6, but Netscape 6 doesn't render it correctly. Please help! Is > > >there a workaround? > > > >Try display: table-row for NN6. But more recent builds do accept display: > >block and still show the TR fine. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > From ken.kogler at curf.edu Tue Sep 3 22:57:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Tue Sep 3 22:57:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help In-Reply-To: <005401c253df$3bc4a270$6501a8c0@youngpup1> Message-ID: <000a01c253c7$0f9a1a30$0808810a@eagle5> > grr. I am so lame. Compared to...? :) > spans[i].innerHTML = spans[i].oldInnerHTML.replace(/./g, "*"); Works like a charm! :) > I highly recommend you invest some time in learning [regex] Wanna invest some time in doing my homework for me? I'd love to take a break from reading essays on postmodern theological diversity and concentrate on something easy like regex. :) --Ken From davidu at everydns.net Tue Sep 3 23:34:01 2002 From: davidu at everydns.net (David U.) Date: Tue Sep 3 23:34:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] DON'T SEND ANYMORE E-MAIL TO ME!! References: <590086B5F26F294298B8C8C5C43619440C9E99@merc16.na.sas.com> <001f01c253c7$0e2d6ad0$0100a8c0@simon> Message-ID: <002701c253cc$3def6c50$2532fc80@pravda> simon at kuaninnovationstudio.com wrote: > DON'T SEND ANYMORE E-MAIL TO ME!! > >> For unsubscribe and other options, including >> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: >> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! Can you read that? If not send an email to the admins and they can do it manually. Also, you left caps lock on by mistake. -davidu From rachel at cre8d-design.com Wed Sep 4 00:03:01 2002 From: rachel at cre8d-design.com (Rachel Cunliffe) Date: Wed Sep 4 00:03:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Online/offline glossary Message-ID: <030f01c253d1$07016f40$2207a8c0@laptoppfannkuch> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi everyone I have been investigating stacks of options for creating an online/offline (CD-Rom) glossary of statistical terms. Here's a summary of possibilities: - XML/XSLT. Advantage: data stored nicely. Easy to add to. Disadvantage: functionality seemingly difficult to program (searching/filtering terms). - HTML. Advantage: quick solution. Disadvantages: messy to update. Searching/filtering tricky. - Microsoft Help files. Advantage: familiar to users, search facilities, cross-referencing etc. Disadvantage: time to learn how to program it. Not an online solution. - PHP/MySQL. Advantage: data stored nicely. Easy to add to, searchable. Disadvantage: not an offline solution. Can anyone offer me any advice as to what you would suggest using, and any other possibilities that I may not be aware of? Many thanks, Rachel Cunliffe Department of Statistics The University of Auckland. -- From evolt at zamba.com Wed Sep 4 00:08:01 2002 From: evolt at zamba.com (evolt at zamba.com) Date: Wed Sep 4 00:08:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003001c253d0$efb1dff0$6401a8c0@Workstation> Hi Carole, Seems like a nice little earner for the registry, get their attention by copying the site, then apologize for this mysterious bad person who "took advantage" of their free domain service (I wonder why?) but oh how sad, we can't stop anyone else from registering it if they pay - hey, that's an idea, why don't YOU register it then no-one else can... problem solved (oh, there is a small fee...)! Or am I just being a cynical old bastard? Hmmm, Tony Page > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of carole guevin > Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2002 2:07 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name > > > hi everyone, > > would like your comments and alert you to a new kind of > domain name squatting??? Follows my original post and their > reply. anybody else have encountered this? how would you > handle it? tx. > > .c > > >Domain: netdiver.tk > > > >Please have http://www.netdiver.tk removed from your server > NOW since > >it is validating our copyright to http://www.netdiver.net. > The copycat > >is displaying our interface, design, and content. > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > Dear Carole, > > > Thank you for your email pointing out the > domain issue. My name is Balder Alofs. I > work with Dot TK and Joost Zurbier, the > technical manager of the .TK "ccTLD" > (Country Code Top Level Domain) as > appointed by ICANN and IANA. > > > We are very sensitive to the situation you > indicated in your email and intend to take > care of the matter immediately. So that you > understand Dot TK's business, how this occurred, > as well as how the resolution affects you, please > allow me to explain briefly: > > Dot TK is the exclusive registry of .TK domain > names. Very basically, we offer two services: > > > 1. We offer users the opportunity to register a > FREEDOMAIN.TK: with this service, users can > register the domain name for FREE, but they do > not acquire the licensing (legal) rights. These > rights remain with Dot TK. We then point the > FREEDOMAIN.tk to any existing, live site on the > Web requested by the registrant. This is a > "Referral" URL. > > > 2. Users may also purchase a PAIDDOMAIN.TK: > this service is like that offered by any other > ccTLD. The registrant purchases a license for a > .tk domain name, for an annual fee. The > difference here is that we accept registrants > worldwide, while many ccTLD managers do not. > > > In any event, the registrant in question (the > one using the domain you object to) is a user > of a FREEDOMAIN.TK. The registrant elected to > obtain the domain "XXXXXXX.TK". This means that > it is a domain which Dot TK is the legal holder > of. This is fortunate for you because it means > that we have the authority to deactivate the > domain. In fact, we have elected to release > this domain name from the current registrant > as a FREEDOMAIN.tk and as we are unable to > remove it entirely as a domain option, we are > making it available as a PAIDDOMAIN.tk only. > The registration fee is $ per year. > > You have a few options as it relates to the > domain. You may now register the domain if > you wish, or you may leave it in the pool to > be registered by anyone else willing to pay > for it. > > I would recommend you purchase the domain and > secure it for your own use. You can easily > register it via our Website at http://www.Dot.TK. > We have registered more than 450,000 FREE and > PAID Dot TK domains since our launch earlier > this year, so many people all over the world > already recognize he .tk extension. We believe > you will find it to be a worthwhile investment > in your Internet business. > > > We are hopeful that this resolves the issue. > > > With kind regards, > > > Balder Alofs > Dot TK Support > www.Dot.TK > mailto:balder at dot.tk > "Dividing Domains Differently" > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ken.kogler at curf.edu Wed Sep 4 00:17:00 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Wed Sep 4 00:17:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name In-Reply-To: <003001c253d0$efb1dff0$6401a8c0@Workstation> Message-ID: <000d01c253d2$209b6e50$0808810a@eagle5> > Or am I just being a cynical old bastard? No, that's what I was thinking, too... This is a new low. :( Carole, I'd be happy with getting the copycat site shut down and leave it alone after that, but be sure to document this whole mess. If they do it again (!!), sue their pants right off... :) --Ken From web at master.gen.in.us Wed Sep 4 00:36:01 2002 From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke ) Date: Wed Sep 4 00:36:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name In-Reply-To: <000d01c253d2$209b6e50$0808810a@eagle5> References: <003001c253d0$efb1dff0$6401a8c0@Workstation> Message-ID: <3D7563E0.21063.25AC2D2@localhost> On 4 Sep 2002 at 0:15, Ken Kogler posted a message which said: > Carole, I'd be happy with getting the copycat site shut down and leave > it alone after that, but be sure to document this whole mess. If they do > it again (!!), sue their pants right off... :) I suspect it wouldn't be cheap to sue someone in Tadjikistan If you *did* spend the money, what do you suppose would be the odds that you could win against someone local? deke -- Do gravediggers qualify for "cost of living" raises? From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Wed Sep 4 01:12:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Wed Sep 4 01:12:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] ACCESSIBILITY: working with nn4.x and everything else(who'd of gue Message-ID: > > my problem is a common one i'm sure. in ie6 (i remember this being true >for 5 and 5.5 also) my text field box is much smaller than in nn4.x even >though i've specified the same number of character widths. i know this is >because each browser uses a different font. my question though is, how can >i best deal with this? should i... Thought I'd make a tip of this, it comes up so often: - Use CSS to set the width of your input fields (and note that some browsers will also give this width to checkboxes and radios, so you may have to use a class for your text fields). - When you've done this, revel in the fact that it looks the same in every browser...except in Netscape 4. - Add a SIZE attribute to each input and fiddle with its value until the inputs have the same length in NN4 as in all other browsers. - That's the trick: SIZE for NN4, CSS width for all other browsers. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From tim at pollenation.net Wed Sep 4 02:51:01 2002 From: tim at pollenation.net (Tim Parkin) Date: Wed Sep 4 02:51:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: <114c01c2538a$221f15d0$3a3988d9@wwwv7zwbf035xj> Message-ID: <000701c253e9$ff451cc0$0200a8c0@henry> Hi Folks, I've just built my personal company site and was wondering if I could enlist the help of a couple of people to tell me what they think (ie rip it to bits). It should be XHTML1.0 Strict but I've sniffed the client and got a NN4 version roughly working by using a regexp block inside PHP Smarty (adding border=0 to linked images stripping out css etc.) Means I've only got one code block to maintain. The sites at www.pollenation.net. Thanks in advance for any replies Tim Parkin From steve.cook at evitbe.com Wed Sep 4 03:54:00 2002 From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook) Date: Wed Sep 4 03:54:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] ASP component for sending https POST information required Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D52307920@SBS> Hi folks! I am building a credit card transaction system using a 3rd party supplier. Their system requires that the card information is sent directly to their server using an SSL encrypted POST transaction. Normally the information would be sent directly from the users browser, but in our case we wish to receive the information from the client to our server first and then have our server send the POST information and receive a reply. We are using ASP (not .NET). Can anyone recommend a server component (preferably free) that will allow us to do a https POST transaction to their server and receive a reply? Or is there another way we should be looking at doing this (we do not have the option of changing supplier). Cheers for any suggestions. .steve ------------------------------------- Cookstour - http://www.cookstour.org ------------------------------------- From steve.cook at evitbe.com Wed Sep 4 04:03:01 2002 From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook) Date: Wed Sep 4 04:03:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Followup: Interfacing an unknown com object from ASP Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D52307921@SBS> For those who remember this thread, where David Canfield and Ashok Hariharan helped me with a problem regarding a .com object that was misbehaving I thought I would post a follow-up. We did solve the problem in the end - it was a case of the programmer having to set variant types for the function params (as you both suspected). However we ended up ditching that supplier anyway and choosing another! Thanks for the help guys! .steve If you are getting problems from using ASP with a .com object that expects LPSTR input for string type function parameters, try changing them to be a VARIANT type instead. ------------------------------------- Cookstour - http://www.cookstour.org ------------------------------------- From aaron at youngpup.net Wed Sep 4 04:04:00 2002 From: aaron at youngpup.net (Aaron Boodman) Date: Wed Sep 4 04:04:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] ASP component for sending https POST information required References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D52307920@SBS> Message-ID: <011801c2540a$a57bdf00$6501a8c0@youngpup1> XMLHttp: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xmlsdk/htm/xml_obj_iserverxmlhttpreq uest_7zlc.asp supports ssl certificates as of v3, sp1 -- Aaron Boodman aaron | www @ youngpup.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Cook" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:03 AM Subject: [thelist] ASP component for sending https POST information required > Hi folks! > > I am building a credit card transaction system using a 3rd party supplier. > Their system requires that the card information is sent directly to their > server using an SSL encrypted POST transaction. Normally the information > would be sent directly from the users browser, but in our case we wish to > receive the information from the client to our server first and then have > our server send the POST information and receive a reply. We are using ASP > (not .NET). > > Can anyone recommend a server component (preferably free) that will allow us > to do a https POST transaction to their server and receive a reply? Or is > there another way we should be looking at doing this (we do not have the > option of changing supplier). > > > > Cheers for any suggestions. > > .steve > > > ------------------------------------- > Cookstour - http://www.cookstour.org > ------------------------------------- > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From dbindel at austin.rr.com Wed Sep 4 06:35:01 2002 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Wed Sep 4 06:35:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: <000701c253e9$ff451cc0$0200a8c0@henry> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Tim Parkin > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:07 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) > > I've just built my personal company site and was wondering if I could > enlist the help of a couple of people to tell me what they think (ie rip > it to bits). It should be XHTML1.0 Strict but I've sniffed the client > and got a NN4 version roughly working by using a regexp block inside PHP > Smarty (adding border=0 to linked images stripping out css etc.) Means > I've only got one code block to maintain. > > The sites at www.pollenation.net. Wow! The site looks really good; the only thing I would improve is making a few of the colors a little bolder and the text black, the whole page looks really light. Your only HUGE mistake was your coding method: you put all of your HTML and one line. I guarantee you that when you have to come back and make some changes to this page that you will hate it because your code is too hard to read. You should always practice putting things on separate lines and if you want to, you can even indent nested tags (I don't myself, but I know some people say it helps them). Here's an example of some of your code edited for readability: Pollenation Internet ... ... HTH! David Bindel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPXXv2Lwc2umqeOxSEQKgkgCfbhCapjuFWWajelLjFzccJtO4vFkAoOMP UIXtv1KxID63gvqJm3CIS//m =/arD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tim at pollenation.net Wed Sep 4 06:52:01 2002 From: tim at pollenation.net (Tim Parkin) Date: Wed Sep 4 06:52:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c2540b$9b7143a0$0200a8c0@henry> >Wow! The site looks really good; the only thing I would improve is making a >few of the colors a little bolder and the text black, the whole page looks >really light. > >Your only HUGE mistake was your coding method: you put all of your HTML and >one line. I guarantee you that when you have to come back and make some >changes to this page that you will hate it because your code is too hard to >read. You should always practice putting things on separate lines and if >you want to, you can even indent nested tags (I don't myself, but I know >some people say it helps them). Here's an example of some of your code >edited for readability: Hi, Thanks for the comment but I've set up a smarty template post filter that converts it to one line.. It's set up so when debugging I get all the comments and then I switch it off it puts everything back. I've taken it out now so people can see the source properly. Cheers Tim From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Wed Sep 4 06:53:01 2002 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Wed Sep 4 06:53:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c25409$80858cb0$8102a8c0@000347D72515> [snip] I've just built my personal company site and was wondering if I could enlist the help of a couple of people to tell me what they think (ie rip it to bits). It should be XHTML1.0 Strict but I've sniffed the client and got a NN4 version roughly working by using a regexp block inside PHP Smarty (adding border=0 to linked images stripping out css etc.) Means I've only got one code block to maintain. The sites at www.pollenation.net. [/snip] When I arrived at the site the text size was too small, so I enlarged the font. The problem is that only the body text and right side box text increased in size ... not the navigation text size. Made the nav text hard to read and use, especially since the expanded items for any given primary item were normal text, making it less readable. The color of the nav items appears washed out against the background, and combining that with size makes the nav items less readable. The body and right box text also suffer from color problems at higher resolutions, appearing washed out. Also, glueing the structure to the left side of the browser (instead of using a liquid layout) was distracting. There seems to be a lot of layout control exercized by using tables instead of CSS. The design is quite attractive, I especially loved the pictures used. Where did you get them? Are those types of pics available from an image site? I am looking for some like that for a presentation that I am doing. HTH! Jay ***************************************************** * Texas PHP Developers Conf Spring 2003 * * T Bar M Resort & Conference Center * * New Braunfels, Texas * * Contact jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com * * * * Want to present a paper or workshop? Contact now! * ***************************************************** From tim at pollenation.net Wed Sep 4 07:10:01 2002 From: tim at pollenation.net (Tim Parkin) Date: Wed Sep 4 07:10:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: <001501c25409$80858cb0$8102a8c0@000347D72515> Message-ID: <001501c2540e$172c26c0$0200a8c0@henry> Jay Blanchard Wrote :- [snip] >When I arrived at the site the text size was too small, so I enlarged the >font. The problem is that only the body text and right side box text >increased in size ... not the navigation text size. Made the nav text hard >to read and use, especially since the expanded items for any given primary >item were normal text, making it less readable. [/snip] Fixed.. I was unsure About it at first and obviously forgot to change it. [snip] >The color of the nav items >appears washed out against the background, and combining that with size >makes the nav items less readable. The body and right box text also suffer >from color problems at higher resolutions, appearing washed out. [/snip] I'm gathering feedback on the colours but I personally wanted it to be v.light but perhaps this is too light.. [snip] >Also, glueing the structure to the left side of the browser (instead of >using a liquid layout) was distracting. There seems to be a lot of layout >control exercized by using tables instead of CSS. [/snip] When you say distracting, can you explain in what way? Is it because you're used to fluid designs or centred designs? Personally when I'm browsing I like to be able to resize my window in one go instead of trying to guess what width the content will be when it's recentred. Personal preferences apart I'd like your feedback. As far as tables are concerned, I wanted to have quite strong deisgn control and having worked on major CSS only projects I know that I couldn't have achieved what I wanted to do with the site (including future plans) with a CSS only design. [snip] >The design is quite attractive, I especially loved the pictures used. >Where did you get them? Are those types of pics available from an >image site? I am looking for some like that for a presentation >that I am doing. [/snip] the pictures have been gathered from all over, print and web. It probably took me about 3 days to collect them all and another day to hand colour and frame them but I think it's worth it for the distinctiveness. There are various free image sites around but I found the content of most somewhat lacking (There was one that's linked from Zeldman's site that I quite like). [snip]HTH![/snip] indeed it does, thank you very much!! Tim From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Wed Sep 4 07:27:02 2002 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Wed Sep 4 07:27:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: <001501c2540e$172c26c0$0200a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <002801c2540e$5952a920$8102a8c0@000347D72515> [snip] When you say distracting, can you explain in what way? Is it because you're used to fluid designs or centred designs? Personally when I'm browsing I like to be able to resize my window in one go instead of trying to guess what width the content will be when it's recentred. Personal preferences apart I'd like your feedback. As far as tables are concerned, I wanted to have quite strong deisgn control and having worked on major CSS only projects I know that I couldn't have achieved what I wanted to do with the site (including future plans) with a CSS only design. [/snip] Let's say that I have my browser window maxed at 1152 x 864 (this is on a 17" monitor, on the 19" I use a higher res). This leaves a tremendous amount of white space to the right that can be distracting, glaringly, to me. As far as liquid design I like to do things where everything is as fluid as possible, so that resizing the browser window, even below a 640 width (YMMV on viewable area, dependent on browser) works just fine. It may not be as pretty, but it works. Resizing to a large size works too, although it may lose some attractiveness as well. I start with a "target" size (about 750 x 550, to account for 800 x 600 res and the loss of real estate present by various browsers) and test at many resolutions. Occasionally I am afforded the luxury of working with higher resolutions for in-house web apps, even so I try to work it so that the design will work at many resolutions. On the table thing, I was just being really picky. :^] However, I do disagree with your statement, "I wanted to have quite strong deisgn control and having worked on major CSS only projects I know that I couldn't have achieved what I wanted to do with the site (including future plans) with a CSS only design.". CSS can offer quite strong design control of layout, it comes down to how browsers handle it. HTH! Jay "It's hip to snip!" ***************************************************** * Texas PHP Developers Conf Spring 2003 * * T Bar M Resort & Conference Center * * New Braunfels, Texas * * Contact jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com * * * * Want to present a paper or workshop? Contact now! * ***************************************************** From n at industriality.com Wed Sep 4 07:28:01 2002 From: n at industriality.com (Nik Schramm) Date: Wed Sep 4 07:28:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help References: <000901c253c5$95a8de10$0808810a@eagle5> <005401c253df$3bc4a270$6501a8c0@youngpup1> Message-ID: <3D75FC05.8070702@industriality.com> On 04.Sep.02 08:49 Aaron Boodman wrote > grr. I am so lame. Yeah right ;) FWIW, in case anyone was having trouble getting this useful technique to work I put together a quick test page to show how it works. http://dev.nae.de/swearwords/ Incidentally, I adapted the script so that it now identifies the swearwords based on a custom CSS Class rather than applying the script to every tag on the page. Let's face it, that would blow a lot of existing pages to smithereens. Hopefully I haven't ****ed up the script in the process ;) Anyway, thanks for the inspiration Aaron. -- /nik From webdev at mountain.ch Wed Sep 4 07:55:01 2002 From: webdev at mountain.ch (Mark Howells) Date: Wed Sep 4 07:55:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE 5.2.2 / Mac OS X Jaguar Message-ID: <7E8D04F9-C005-11D6-8650-00306549DF86@mountain.ch> I've installed Jaguar over the past day or so and it comes with IE 5.2.2. Works like a dream and the rendering engine, while different from the previous OS, makes most sites look quite yummy. However, I keep coming up against an irritating problem -- when I check the "Web Proxy" settings box off, it doesn't always remain unchecked. Any ideas on what might be causing this problem? Tks & regards Mark Howells AIM: mhoaim From carole at pixeltable.com Wed Sep 4 08:02:01 2002 From: carole at pixeltable.com (carole guevin) Date: Wed Sep 4 08:02:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name In-Reply-To: <3D7563E0.21063.25AC2D2@localhost> Message-ID: :I suspect it wouldn't be cheap to sue someone in Tadjikistan Actually the extension is .tk Tokelau -> link to world top domain extensions - http://www.norid.no/domenenavnbaser/domreg.html The way I caught the netdiver.tk - is through my referrers log - not the one on the server but with an invisible counter. Sure enough if there's a copycat (stealing the code as well) - they will show up as soon as someone uses the code and that's how most of the time - I found out about copycats. There's even one - still running that I can't locate the owner. In this case - they have used a mid-July index (different graphic than the one now) so it has been planned at that time BUT the news were from the same day I found them - Aug 29. I update the what's new page every day - so were there some *code or script* they have developed that was snitching the page: for instance, all graphics either snapshots or buttons were ok, even the nav includes were there but like I said these were pointing back to netdiver.net??? This indicates either a deliverate intention for me to find out about this, get to contact them and then, being offered to buy the domain name. What troubles me - is that they can do this to any sites out there - and wait for owners to contact them. This is confirmed since another person was also registered with a .tk extension for her site - http://www.playingwithfire.tk - Linda's site has been snitched as well. Wouldn't that be of interest to some wired journalist to cover yet another story on registrars and the troubles we've had with registrars and their all too powerfull control of domain names? There were many horror stories with NSI for example (of which I'm part - they did threaten to take away netdiver.net for a mistake they did, in extremis, a manager finally corrected the mistake not after 3 months of back and forth). I think - if somebody has a contact with the press - especially at wired - it could make an interesting story. Registry companies need a good business ethic... maybe in present times... *ethic* as vanishing quality - it's too much to ask. What about the future? Are we going to be dependent on *rents* paid for domain names? .c From jim-lists.evolt.org at jimdabell.com Wed Sep 4 08:05:00 2002 From: jim-lists.evolt.org at jimdabell.com (Jim Dabell) Date: Wed Sep 4 08:05:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Konqueror selecting multiple buttons simulteanously In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200209041359.30706.jim-lists.evolt.org@jimdabell.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 03 September 2002 11:02 pm, Joel Canfield wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > A coworker is developing a web tool for use on Linux boxes. We've > developed a pretty standard nav bar, with graphical buttons and > JavaScript mouseovers. It works well in various versions of IE, Opera, > and NN on PC, and on NN on Linux. In Konqueror, when you roll *near* the > buttons, all buttons from the closest to the top of the navbar are > highlighted as if the mouseover is firing for all. And, no matter which > button you click, the HREF for the first button loads. > > Any ideas? Code etc available if it will help. Code would be handy. I suppose you've checked for the blindingly obvious error of forgetting to close the first anchor element? Has the code been validated? - -- Jim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9dgOb3tJNldoQhi8RAiYrAKCjTyQSgmDdEV9fXyrvHqAPmRHgRwCfbgFW 5kHU7TKUf0DllVvA0jOJkWc= =BQbG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From john at evolt.org.uk Wed Sep 4 08:12:00 2002 From: john at evolt.org.uk (John Handelaar) Date: Wed Sep 4 08:12:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: % -----Original Message----- % From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org % [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of carole guevin % Sent: 04 September 2002 12:52 % To: thelist at lists.evolt.org % Subject: RE: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name % % I think - if somebody has a contact with the press - especially at wired - % it could make an interesting story. Actually, no, it's a story that was done a million times years ago. And, looking at this logically, your chances of actually losing traffic to a .tk site are basically zero, and any hack worth his/her salt would notice that you don't own the .com and wonder why in god's name you're worried about .tk and not that. Or, for that matter, why the people who bought .com before you registered *your* 'copycat' domain aren't a more sympathetic subject for an article. Pots, kettles, etc. Sorry to be blunt, but I think you might have lost some perspective here. ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 8933 1494 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From Evolt at ZName.com Wed Sep 4 08:13:00 2002 From: Evolt at ZName.com (James S. Huggins (Evolt)) Date: Wed Sep 4 08:13:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: =========================== :I suspect it wouldn't be cheap to sue someone in Tadjikistan Actually the extension is .tk Tokelau -> link to world top domain extensions - http://www.norid.no/domenenavnbaser/domreg.html =========================== >From http://my.dot.tk/vc001100a1.html 1. INTRODUCTION. This Customer Agreement (this "Agreement") is made between Dot TK, Taloha, Inc., a Delaware Corporation ("Dot TK", "Taloha", "we" or "us") and you [snip] 14.6 Applicable Law; Venue. This Agreement shall be construed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of the State of California and the federal laws of the United States applicable therein without reference to conflicts of law principles. The exclusive jurisdiction and venue of any legal action brought with respect to this Agreement and the interpretation or making of it, shall be the state courts of the State of California for the County of San Francisco or the United States District Court for the Northern District of California, and we both submit to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of such courts for such purposes. [snip] James S. Huggins ... From morga2ja at cmich.edu Wed Sep 4 08:14:01 2002 From: morga2ja at cmich.edu (Morgan, Jon A) Date: Wed Sep 4 08:14:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Intranets Message-ID: <39E1B0EADC20CE489795D154AE354FDA62AB01@cmail1.central.cmich.local> I am tasked with the project of creating an Intranet for my organization. I was wondering if someone on the list could share their experiences with creating an Intranet. How did you go about its development, what did you consider before beginning, where was/is it hosted, and what are some features that you feel must absolutely be included within an intranet? Please feel free to contact me off-list or discuss on list. Thanks, Jon Morgan Special Olympics Michigan morga2ja at cmich.edu From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Wed Sep 4 08:27:01 2002 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Wed Sep 4 08:27:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Intranets In-Reply-To: <39E1B0EADC20CE489795D154AE354FDA62AB01@cmail1.central.cmich.local> Message-ID: > > Please feel free to contact me off-list or discuss on list. If you haven't already read it, I'd say the Cluetrain Manifesto would be a good place to start: http://www.cluetrain.com/ if only for insight into how your Intranet will get used..... From web2k2 at premonition.co.uk Wed Sep 4 08:32:01 2002 From: web2k2 at premonition.co.uk (Geoff Sheridan) Date: Wed Sep 4 08:32:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: <002801c2540e$5952a920$8102a8c0@000347D72515> References: <002801c2540e$5952a920$8102a8c0@000347D72515> Message-ID: >As far as tables are >concerned, I wanted to have quite strong deisgn control and having >worked on major CSS only projects I know that I couldn't have achieved >what I wanted to do with the site (including future plans) with a CSS >only design. Unless your aim is to have identical layout in NN4, there is almost nothing you can do with tables that you can't do with CSS. Minor exceptions include vertically centering content relative to the viewport. You tell us what you want to achieve, we'll show you how to do it in CSS. Geoff From carole at pixeltable.com Wed Sep 4 08:42:01 2002 From: carole at pixeltable.com (carole guevin) Date: Wed Sep 4 08:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi john, :years ago. And, looking at this logically, your chances :of actually losing traffic to a .tk site are basically :zero, and any hack worth his/her salt would notice that it's NOT the losing of traffic - since they actually shutdown the site - it was the snitching of the site and publishing the what's new page under the .tk domain name... which is an infringement of our copyright while using an external domain name to actually publish *netdiver.net* content, design, etc. I have taken snapshots of both index and what's new page for future reference. :you don't own the .com and wonder why in god's name you're :worried about .tk and not that. ROFL because that domain name was stolen from us - if you make a quick search on google - you would find reference to some events and articles I wrote under netdiver.com which was company name and the domain, ours - starting in 1995. The then HP had (we didn't know about that) register the domain name under his company's. Because we questioned a charged fee he was asking for, and that the domain was expiring and we tried - oh boy - did we try to have the name transfered - we actually found out - too late - that we actually had NO rights to it. I am sure many will attest to this kind of behavior from HP and similar experiences in those days. Within days the name was resold to somebody - and then another somebody got the domain. They have been contacted numerous time - and no reply. There's no site under that domain name for years. We never got a reply. We moved on. :Sorry to be blunt, but I think you might have lost some :perspective here. Tx for being direct - I appreciate that. I hope the above clarifies the situation. .c From CDitty at email.usps.gov Wed Sep 4 09:02:00 2002 From: CDitty at email.usps.gov (Ditty, Chris - Memphis, TN) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:02:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion & CC:Mail Message-ID: <70EDC551EFE5684B9B3C8E5890F7836301765A6F@rlghncsxm20.usa.dce.usps.gov> Hello all, Any of you Cold Fusion programmers out there have a way to connect to a CC:Mail server? CC:Mail uses it's own proprietary database, so POP/SMTP won't work. I have searched google and the macromedia site, but came up empty. anyone have any tips? TIA Chris From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Wed Sep 4 09:05:01 2002 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:05:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > You tell us what you want to achieve, we'll show you how to > do it in CSS. > Okay, I'm struggling with this one: Link image link image link image etc all centrally aligned and in a div 100% width of it's container div. so far I have managed to get images to 100% width, or left aligned but not their true size (its a tiny arrow) or not aligned. in tables I do this: <.div id="trail" class="trail"> <.table align="left" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <.tr> <.td class="trailtext" align="center" valign="top">Follow your trail
<.br> <.A HREF="file://C:/whoami/home.htm">Home page
<.img src="images/dar.gif" align="top"> 
<.A HREF="towns1.htm">Dudley towns
<.img src="images/dar.gif" align="top"> 
<./td> <./tr> <./table> <./div> . to stop html being stripped out in CSS I have this: #leftpanel .trail, .trailhere, { text-align: center; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; } and <.div id="trail"> <.h3>Trail <.a class="trail" href="index.htm">
<.img src="img/dar.gif" alt="" class="trail" />
<./div> but I can't get the little arrow to sit snugly under the link. ideas? Thanks Tony From webdev at mountain.ch Wed Sep 4 09:11:01 2002 From: webdev at mountain.ch (Mark Howells) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:11:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <039385CA-C010-11D6-8650-00306549DF86@mountain.ch> > #leftpanel .trail, .trailhere, { > text-align: center; > padding: 0px; > margin: 0px; > } > but I can't get the little arrow to sit snugly under the link. Try #leftpanel {text-align:center} #leftpanel img {margin:0 auto} Regards Mark Howells AIM: mhoaim From carole at pixeltable.com Wed Sep 4 09:11:21 2002 From: carole at pixeltable.com (carole guevin) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:11:21 2002 Subject: [thelist] copycat/squatting of domain name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: :1. INTRODUCTION. This Customer Agreement (this "Agreement") is made between :Dot TK, Taloha, Inc., a Delaware Corporation ("Dot TK", "Taloha", "we" or :"us") and you tx James for the info. So it means, after all - it's not a unknowledgeable Registrar. US based means they are fully aware of the *game* out there. Makes for an interesting discovery. Tx. for your research. .c From ben_dyer at imaginuity.com Wed Sep 4 09:18:01 2002 From: ben_dyer at imaginuity.com (Ben Dyer) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:18:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE 5/Mac File Download Behavior Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904090430.048f1610@mail.imaginuity.com> Can someone explain this to me? On this page: I have a list of files for downloading. Now, each link calls the script that pushes the file in question to the client-side (either it opens in the browser or it downloads the file). The script itself doesn't do anything spectacular. At the moment, it merely s to the file. Now, everything works great in every browser I can find...except for IE5/Mac (specific version doesn't seem to matter and neither does OS 9/OS X). It opens the file (in "Preview" in OS X) after it saves the file on the desktop as the PDF, but gives it the name of "index.cfm," which means, at least on my machine at home, I can't reopen it without renaming it. Does anyone know of a way around this behavior, to give it the correct file name? I tried searching on Google, but I wasn't even sure how to describe this problem to a search engine. :) Thanks! --Ben Ben Dyer, Senior Internet Developer, Imaginuity Interactive http://www.imaginuity.com/ Not an Emergency: "AudioGalaxy doesn't work anymore." Emergency: "The server is on fire, bring the extinguisher!" Please adjust your e-mail priorities accordingly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.radicalbender.com/ http://www.evolt.org/ From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Sep 4 09:32:01 2002 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:32:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Explorer "progress" bar Message-ID: <008f01c25427$e0fbeee0$0101c80a@hershel> IE has this lovely little box next to the status area which is supposed to indicate what percentage of an incoming page has loaded. I am working on a system in a framed page. The top frame is navigation and all navigation actions occur via JavaScript. Generally a form is submitted, either from the bottom frame or from the top frame but targeted to the bottom frame. This little progress bar, however, is not working for us on IE6. Pages are loading fully into the bottom frame, but the bar looks like it's at about 40%. I know the page is in because I have an onload event AND I have a traffic meter on my line and they ain't no mo' traffic. Any ideas? Thanks, Hershel From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Wed Sep 4 09:35:00 2002 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:35:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: <039385CA-C010-11D6-8650-00306549DF86@mountain.ch> Message-ID: > > #leftpanel .trail, .trailhere, { > > text-align: center; > > padding: 0px; > > margin: 0px; > > } > > but I can't get the little arrow to sit snugly under the link. > > Try > #leftpanel {text-align:center} > #leftpanel img {margin:0 auto} > Thanks, but I think it was display:block on the link that was causing the problem , that and the fact that I've cleverly seperated my CSS into 3 sheets: layout, style & colour and I think I have some overlapping declarations! oh well....... From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Wed Sep 4 09:38:01 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:38:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS hanging off the page In-Reply-To: <008f01c25427$e0fbeee0$0101c80a@hershel> Message-ID: Hi Guys I have a slight problems with a css layout :) I have three columns within a body all hanging off the page http://www.worldaudiodesign2.co.uk/amplifier_shop.html It is probably because they are floating! I have treied a few things but cant get then to fix their position, any ideas Andrew :) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil Wed Sep 4 09:55:01 2002 From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:55:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Explorer "progress" bar Message-ID: <092C0521BB49C34AB7DF7578B6D513E00142AF5E@fsjubj09> >This little progress bar, however, is not working for us on IE6. Pages are >loading fully into the bottom frame, but the bar looks like it's at about >40%. I noticed a similar problem the other day, loading http://www.atg.aum.edu/ilt.html from home. It's a frame-based page, and as I was having a lot of network congestion on my cable modem it first loaded the top frame and waited for the bottom two frames to load. The browser tried to lock up on me while it loaded, and the status bar said it was "Done" even though the bottom frameset was blank. A few seconds later the bottom framed content appeared. The animated status bar finished and the "Done" label appeared after the top frame was loaded, but did not wait for the remainder of the framed content. This was IE6/XPHome. I'm thinking this is a bug in IE6. -dave From evolt at david.us-lot.org Wed Sep 4 09:57:00 2002 From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (evolt at david.us-lot.org) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:57:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Intranets In-Reply-To: <39E1B0EADC20CE489795D154AE354FDA62AB01@cmail1.central.cmich.local> References: <39E1B0EADC20CE489795D154AE354FDA62AB01@cmail1.central.cmich.local> Message-ID: <20020904145910.GA17369@us-lot.org> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 09:02:24AM -0400, Morgan, Jon A wrote: > I am tasked with the project of creating an Intranet for my > organization. I was wondering if someone on the list could share > their experiences with creating an Intranet. How did you go about > its development, what did you consider before beginning, where > was/is it hosted, and what are some features that you feel must > absolutely be included within an intranet? To deal with the hosting first - on a server running SuSE Linux in the IT department. As for the rest, I suspect you are aproaching this the wrong way round. You (or your boss) appears to be working from the "An Intranet is a good idea - what can we use it for?", IMO you should find a problem first and then choose the most apropriate solution - which might be an Intranet. Its very easy to be tempted by "It's cool", but using technology for the sake of using technology is rarely a good idea. From hassan at webtuitive.com Wed Sep 4 09:59:01 2002 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Wed Sep 4 09:59:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Intranets References: <39E1B0EADC20CE489795D154AE354FDA62AB01@cmail1.central.cmich.local> Message-ID: <3D761FA4.60004@webtuitive.com> Morgan, Jon A wrote: > I am tasked with the project of creating an Intranet for my > organization. I was wondering if someone on the list could share > their experiences with creating an Intranet. > How did you go about its > development, what did you consider before beginning, Figure out what your users need -- what information they're wasting time looking for because it's not online or it's difficult to find. Organize that information in a way that makes sense to the users. Implement a feedback-and-bug/suggestion-tracking system, and be responsive. However, if information has to be repurposed out of another non-Web system as an ongoing process, make sure you have a commitment from the data owner. Allowing data to go stale (or get out of sync with another source) is very, very bad. For that matter, make sure you have a commitment from /your/ organization to maintain the site. Creating it's easy; maintaining it -- never-ending. :-) But bottom line, the technology is trivial; politics and turf wars are the project killers. > where was/is it hosted, Not sure I understand the question -- an Intranet is internal, so pick a server and go (but plan for expansion; users will rapidly come up with new content and features, some of which will require horsepower, and you don't want to be slogging along ...) > what are some features that you feel must absolutely be > included within an intranet? See question 1 :-) That said, I think a modern system should provide role-based views (personalization) and user customization capabilities. And besides good information organization, you *must* offer an effective search. But if you're just starting out and have limited resources, don't try to boil the ocean; start simple and learn ("release early, release often"). HTH, feel free to contact me on- or off-list if you'd like further detail on any of the above. -- H* Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 -- From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Wed Sep 4 10:03:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Wed Sep 4 10:03:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Explorer "progress" bar Message-ID: >IE has this lovely little box next to the status area which is supposed to >indicate what percentage of an incoming page has loaded. I am working on a >system in a framed page. The top frame is navigation and all navigation >actions occur via JavaScript. Generally a form is submitted, either from >the bottom frame or from the top frame but targeted to the bottom frame. > >This little progress bar, however, is not working for us on IE6. Pages are >loading fully into the bottom frame, but the bar looks like it's at about >40%. I know the page is in because I have an onload event AND I have a >traffic meter on my line and they ain't no mo' traffic. > >Any ideas? The progress bar has little to do with the actual progress of the downloading. Try a site that cannot be reached: the progress bar will go to about 50 to 60 % of the width of the bar before IE gives up and tells you the site cannot be reached. In my opinion the progress bar always shows progress, no matter what happens, to keep the end user happily uninformed of whatever is taking place. As long as he feels progress is being made, he's content with Internet Explorer. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From r937 at interlog.com Wed Sep 4 10:16:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed Sep 4 10:16:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Intranets Message-ID: <01c25425$f4284c40$LocalHost@rudy> jon, have a look at the latest article on the evolt site -- Optimising Return On Investment with Intranets http://evolt.org/article/ROI/25/35700/index.html rudy From lists at kaipahl.de Wed Sep 4 10:24:01 2002 From: lists at kaipahl.de (dogfood) Date: Wed Sep 4 10:24:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE 5.2.2 / Mac OS X Jaguar In-Reply-To: <7E8D04F9-C005-11D6-8650-00306549DF86@mountain.ch> Message-ID: Mark Howells wrote: > I've installed Jaguar over the past day or so and it comes with IE > 5.2.2. Works like a dream and the rendering engine, while different > from the previous OS, makes most sites look quite yummy. > > However, I keep coming up against an irritating problem -- when I check > the "Web Proxy" settings box off, it doesn't always remain unchecked. > Any ideas on what might be causing this problem? perhaps something that should be set in the macOS X systempreferences -> network-panel? had similar experience with FTP-client interarchy and the "passive mode" box in OS X 10.1. settings in the interarchy-preferences were ignored, but check/uncheck the box in the systempreference/network-panel did the job. quite irritating. bye kai -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kai Pahl, Hamburg, Germany From fortune_elkins at summithq.com Wed Sep 4 10:45:01 2002 From: fortune_elkins at summithq.com (Fortune Elkins) Date: Wed Sep 4 10:45:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Intranets Message-ID: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F50635A175@nyexchange01.summithq.com> hiya! imvho, a successful intranet *should* not be based on the org chart!! don't do it by group or department, because these are too fluid. it is much better to do it by task -- better still, to organize large parts of it around customer accounts/client work if possible. for example, clearly some things apply to all employees. HR stuff -- health insurance reimbursement forms, 401(k) forms, employee name and home address, who's in, who's out, vacation time used, schedule meetings, travel requests, expense reports, timesheets, etc. you should have static pages that offer the forms and other paperwork. it would be great if you could use adobe acrobat's features to allow employees to fill these forms out on the web and then route them to the appropriate HR staff for processing. dynamic web applications that allow employees to change their addresses, apply for time off, make a travel request, post whether they will in the office on a certain day or out with a client, do timesheets, etc. if your office uses exchange, it's amazing how much you can do with that info if you can get someone to do some exchange programming. . . needless to say, the daily meeting schedule and "who's in" info should appear on the home page of the intranet for easy reference. other information should be organized by task or project basis, i think. what information do all programmers need? msdn maybe? put that up there. what information do all programmers working on the blodgett for client X need? put that up there in the client X area. do programmers work with sales, tech support, and business reps on that client X task? set up a group blog so that all the client X team can see the latest information - when the business reps come back from a meeting with client X, they can summarize the meeting on the blog and everyone can check it out. finally people should be able to customize their intranet home page to show what they need to see easily. so if i'm a programmer on the client X project, i should be able to see on my home page: daily meetings; who's in; a link to the msdn stuff; a link to the client X blog; a link to timesheets; a link to the client X project schedule, etc; whatever general company daily news that's appropriate. if i'm the receptionist, naturally, i should see some of the same things, but also other things. . . people also (used to) also love time and date, and a stock/news ticker. to do this kind of thing, you need to find out what the major roles or jobs in your company really are and what information these roles need. dont' make it too crazy -- try to identify maybe 10 or 15 roles at most. while you work this long-term web app stuff out, you can start with the general HR stuff everyone needs. once you get the paperwork and forms on-line and routing, go for the employee personal info app, timesheet app and who's in info app. then get to the travel requests, vacation requests, all those apps etc. you can save a lot of money in the HR area upfront and that stuff makes you a lot of friends in management. this success will allow you to then go for the entrenched fiefdoms of the project areas. it's surprising how many project teams and managers don't want to share their info or make it accessible, esp. in a cross-functional or cross-divisional manner. but if you've done well with the HR part, you have creds to do the tough political stuff. the project leaders will demand that they have control over their client X area, but will invariably fail to update info, or will not quality check it for bad links, etc. then that area fails, and you get the hit for it. if you are going to delegate care of each section to the project teams or leaders, make sure you have some way to ensure content is up-to-date and has some quality. get some kind of clear commitment or get the senior management to add intranet area responsibility to the project leaders review. some has to be accountable for the intranet's quality, and it shouldn't be you, once the project leaders have demanded control. . . hth, f ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. From wade_lists at runstrong.com Wed Sep 4 11:14:01 2002 From: wade_lists at runstrong.com (Wade Armstrong) Date: Wed Sep 4 11:14:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE 5/Mac File Download Behavior In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904090430.048f1610@mail.imaginuity.com> Message-ID: on 9/4/02 7:17 AM, Ben Dyer at ben_dyer at imaginuity.com wrote: > Now, everything works great in every browser I can find...except for > IE5/Mac (specific version doesn't seem to matter and neither does OS 9/OS > X). It opens the file (in "Preview" in OS X) after it saves the file on > the desktop as the PDF, but gives it the name of "index.cfm," which means, > at least on my machine at home, I can't reopen it without renaming it. > > Does anyone know of a way around this behavior, to give it the correct file > name? I tried searching on Google, but I wasn't even sure how to describe > this problem to a search engine. :) In ASP, I have to set the filename in the header: Response.AddHeader "content-disposition","attachment; filename=" & strFile (where strFile is the name I want the file to have). Should be easy to do the same in CF. Wade From Anthony at Baratta.com Wed Sep 4 11:53:01 2002 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Wed Sep 4 11:53:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion & CC:Mail In-Reply-To: <70EDC551EFE5684B9B3C8E5890F7836301765A6F@rlghncsxm20.usa.d ce.usps.gov> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904094952.01b66670@baratta.com> At 05:58 AM 9/4/2002, Ditty, Chris - Memphis, TN wrote: >Any of you Cold Fusion programmers out there have a way to connect to a >CC:Mail >server? CC:Mail uses it's own proprietary database, so POP/SMTP won't >work. I >have searched google and the macromedia site, but came up empty. Didn't cc:Mail have an SMTP internet connector?? It's been years since I used cc:Mail and last time I set it up to connect to the internet I used UUCP. (AHHH! ;-) If you can get it to talk SMTP, then you can just converse that way. Also you might want to look at the cc:Mail API stuff, I can't remember the name but it was competing with MAPI many years ago. -- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From ken.kogler at curf.edu Wed Sep 4 12:21:02 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Wed Sep 4 12:21:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help In-Reply-To: <3D75FC05.8070702@industriality.com> Message-ID: <000601c25437$54893d90$0808810a@eagle5> > Anyway, thanks for the inspiration Aaron. *ahem* You're welcome. ;) Aaron and Lindsay proved to be *very* helpful in adding the extra functionality I was lacking, though. Thanks again -- you guys rock! > Incidentally, I adapted the script so that it > now identifies the swearwords based on a custom > CSS Class rather than applying the script to > every tag on the page. The original script only looks at the s WITHIN . I left out the .className check since I don't plan on using the tag in my blog posts for anything except the filter, but to add the custom class functionality to it (for extra caution), you'd just have to add a little if statement like this: -------- OLD WAY -------- function censor() { // free for use, but maintain credit. // written by Ken Kogler (kenkogler.com) // with some help from Aaron Boodman // (youngpup.net) and Lindsay Evans var totalSpans = content.getElementsByTagName("span").length; spans = document.body.getElementsByTagName("span"); if (document.styleForm.swearFilter.checked) { for (i=0;i References: Message-ID: <20020904174422.GA18135@us-lot.org> On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 06:07:28PM -0500, Jeff Lucido wrote: > Thanks for your help! It seems my over complicating the problem was > masking the true simplicity of what was trying to accomplish (damn > engineer coming out again). Your ideas worked great and seem to be > working well (IE 4+ on PC). I am placing it into our CMS system now so > hopefully everything will play nicely when generated from the database. >> http://david.us-lot.org/dir.php?dir=/www-concepts/collapse > I did make a few changes but I kept true to your original idea. One > thing I did to make sure the other layers were in their "off" state was > to call your "hide" function first on the onclick command before I ran > the "flip" function to turn that layer element on. Very simple and > portable. Thanks a lot for your help! I thought about trying that, but wouldn't it fail for nested lists? a b c ci cii ciii civ d e If the user clicks "c" then it will first set the outer list to display: none; and then set the inner list to display: block;, however as the inner list is inside the outer list neither will be displayed. Or am I barking up the wrong tree? -- David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/ HTML email is a bit like using coloured paper and glitter ink on a CV. From amy at rocky-hills.com Wed Sep 4 13:17:01 2002 From: amy at rocky-hills.com (Amy Johnson) Date: Wed Sep 4 13:17:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Submitting to search engines Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a good service for submitting a site to the major search engines. I am bombarded by ads from these services all the time and don't know which ones are worthwhile. I used to do it myself when all the search engines had a free site submittal option but that is rare now :-(. Amy From k.neirynck at belgacom.net Wed Sep 4 13:29:01 2002 From: k.neirynck at belgacom.net (Kristof Neirynck) Date: Wed Sep 4 13:29:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] NS 7, Mozilla problem References: Message-ID: <3D765171.6050406@belgacom.net> win98 moz1.1 I see the problem too. realy odd Kristof Stephen Caudill wrote: > I have a drop down menu that is doing some very strange things in NS 7(not the beta, the full version) and Mozilla. When moused over, it seems to avoid the mouse... it litterally moves up and down quickly creating a most annoying effect. Has anyone experienced this before? Any ideas as to whats causing it? You can find it at: > http://www.mccimaging.com > All thoughts/comments appreciated. > > Stephen Caudill > Web Designer > Municipal Code Corporation > www.municode.com > www.mccimaging.com From lwkraemer at directvinternet.com Wed Sep 4 14:09:01 2002 From: lwkraemer at directvinternet.com (lon.kraemer) Date: Wed Sep 4 14:09:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Submitting to search engines References: Message-ID: <003d01c25446$42c07bf0$0201a8c0@yoda> > Can anyone recommend a good service for submitting a site to the major search engines. I am bombarded by ads from these services > all the time and don't know which ones are worthwhile. I used to do it myself when all the search engines had a free site submittal > option but that is rare now :-(. I've never used this, but I see some +1 around the grape vine. http://www.gsep.com From sforbes at members.evolt.org Wed Sep 4 14:15:01 2002 From: sforbes at members.evolt.org (Shoshannah Forbes) Date: Wed Sep 4 14:15:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Submitting to search engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <988676B2-C03A-11D6-97F0-003065C0167C@members.evolt.org> http://www.selfpromotion.com free for a limited time account (it will expire after a while). You can pay if yu want to keep the account for longer. Works great. On Wednesday, September 4, 2002, at 09:19 PM, Amy Johnson wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good service for submitting a site to the major > search engines. I am bombarded by ads from these services > all the time and don't know which ones are worthwhile. I used to do it > myself when all the search engines had a free site submittal > option but that is rare now :-(. -- The news, Uncensored http://www.tellinglies.org/news From SCaudill at municode.com Wed Sep 4 14:56:01 2002 From: SCaudill at municode.com (Stephen Caudill) Date: Wed Sep 4 14:56:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] NS 7, Mozilla problem Message-ID: Yes, very. I wasn't incredibly worried about it in Mozilla (I know, I know). But the bug showing up in NS7 too... thats not good. If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. Stephen Caudill Web Designer Municipal Code Corporation www.municode.com www.mccimaging.com }win98 moz1.1 }I see the problem too. }realy odd From jlucido at version4.com Wed Sep 4 16:03:01 2002 From: jlucido at version4.com (Jeff Lucido) Date: Wed Sep 4 16:03:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Strange IIS behavior Message-ID: Evolters: I have a strange problem occurring with one of our IIS servers. Specifically, we are trying to "serve" an executable file from a path on our webserver (i.e. http:///www.mysite.com/files/test.exe). We have done this numerous times in the past. The strange part is I can place a zip file, a cab file or a ini file and the browser always prompts me to "save" the file. To make things weirder I renamed the .zip file with a .exe extension and I was no longer able to download the file. I have looked at permissions galore, mime types and firewall behaviors (which by the way is not an issue since I get the same results whether I am on the same network or if I am browsing from an external network). This is pretty strange and I am stumped. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks! -JSLucido From n at industriality.com Wed Sep 4 16:27:01 2002 From: n at industriality.com (Nik Schramm) Date: Wed Sep 4 16:27:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] .innerHTML help References: <000601c25437$54893d90$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <3D767A72.40605@industriality.com> On 04.Sep.02 19:20 Ken Kogler wrote > *ahem* You're welcome. ;) Oops :) My mistake, apologies. > I left out the .className check since I don't plan on using the > tag in my blog posts for anything except the filter, Sure, but I wanted a totally generic solution instead. The revised NEW_WAY script you posted accomplishes this, as does the version I posted earlier. > Anyway, this little experiment was a rousing success Sho'nuff, interesting stuff. -- /nik From dougal at gunters.org Wed Sep 4 16:30:01 2002 From: dougal at gunters.org (Dougal Campbell) Date: Wed Sep 4 16:30:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Strange IIS behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020904162427.P2903-100000@www.nationalispgroup.com> On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Jeff Lucido wrote: > Evolters: > > I have a strange problem occurring with one of our IIS servers. > Specifically, we are trying to "serve" an executable file from a path on > our webserver (i.e. http:///www.mysite.com/files/test.exe). We have done > this numerous times in the past. The strange part is I can place a zip > file, a cab file or a ini file and the browser always prompts me to > "save" the file. To make things weirder I renamed the .zip file with a > .exe extension and I was no longer able to download the file. I have > looked at permissions galore, mime types and firewall behaviors (which > by the way is not an issue since I get the same results whether I am on > the same network or if I am browsing from an external network). This is > pretty strange and I am stumped. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! In the MMC, check the properties of your "files" directory and make sure that it has the scripting & executable permissions turned off (set Permissions to "None" under the "Directory" tab). If they are on, IIS will assume that your EXE is a CGI program and try to run it server-side. If you still have problems, you might try messing with the MIME Map settings under the "HTTP Headers" tab (map .EXE to "application/octet-stream"). -- Ernest MacDougal Campbell III, MCP+I, MCSE http://dougal.gunters.org/ http://spam.gunters.org/ Web Design & Development: http://www.mentalcollective.com/ This message is guaranteed to be 100% eror frea! From jlucido at version4.com Wed Sep 4 16:30:16 2002 From: jlucido at version4.com (Jeff Lucido) Date: Wed Sep 4 16:30:16 2002 Subject: [thelist] Strange IIS behavior -- SOLVED Message-ID: Doh!! Total error on my side. It seems the twentieth time I looked at the website properties page for permissions I forgot to notice that I had it set for "Scripts and Executables" hence the poor webserver was trying to run my exe program. Sorry I bothered you with this request. We all stare at code way to long when we have problems. Get up, shake a leg or two and throw some darts. Think about your problem and more than likely an answer will come to you. Oh yeah, perform this routine prior to hounding your list'mates for an answer ;) -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lucido Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:02 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Strange IIS behavior Evolters: I have a strange problem occurring with one of our IIS servers. Specifically, we are trying to "serve" an executable file from a path on our webserver (i.e. http:///www.mysite.com/files/test.exe). We have done this numerous times in the past. The strange part is I can place a zip file, a cab file or a ini file and the browser always prompts me to "save" the file. To make things weirder I renamed the .zip file with a .exe extension and I was no longer able to download the file. I have looked at permissions galore, mime types and firewall behaviors (which by the way is not an issue since I get the same results whether I am on the same network or if I am browsing from an external network). This is pretty strange and I am stumped. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks! -JSLucido -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Sep 4 17:08:02 2002 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed Sep 4 17:08:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] web work contract? Message-ID: <20020904220748.87815.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone point me to a good contract for use in building a simple web site? Doesn't need to be glamorous, just the basics. Thanks Tom ===== var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From cparker at swatgear.com Wed Sep 4 17:18:01 2002 From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker) Date: Wed Sep 4 17:18:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] web work contract? Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE033094@ati-ex-01.ati.local> > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Dell'Aringa [mailto:pixelmech at yahoo.com] > > Can anyone point me to a good contract for use in building a simple > web site? Doesn't need to be glamorous, just the basics. here you go... I [name] promise to make and complete your website if you promise to pay me all the money i am owed and in a timely fashion. Timely fashion means when i'm done, and no later, and not whenever you feel like it. You also promise to pay me even if your business floats upside down in a bowl of water before the Website is completed. no need to thank me! chris. From dan at danromanchik.com Wed Sep 4 17:57:01 2002 From: dan at danromanchik.com (Dan Romanchik) Date: Wed Sep 4 17:57:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] web work contract? References: <20020904220748.87815.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <023f01c25466$4d6160e0$c27ba8c0@D9J77B01> Take a look at the Independent Contractor Agreement on the FreeAgent AnnArbor forum at http://www.freeagentannarbor.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=113&t=113 Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Romanchik - Web Developer, Provocateur, FreeAgent danr at freeagentannarbor.com, 734-930-6564 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: [thelist] web work contract? > Can anyone point me to a good contract for use in building a simple > web site? Doesn't need to be glamorous, just the basics. > > Thanks > > Tom > > ===== > var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); > > http://www.pixelmech.com/ > http://www.maccaws.com/ > [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From axe at suburbia.com.au Wed Sep 4 18:47:01 2002 From: axe at suburbia.com.au (Chris) Date: Wed Sep 4 18:47:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Further Training Message-ID: Hello, I have been given the oppurtunity to undertake about 800 $AU of further IT training. I already have Certificate III & IV in Information Technology but I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about where best to apply this training for best job prospects. I have heard that MCSE's are always in demand but in what area specifically. I would like to stay in the web development area but at this stage, I am more interested in getting some more training that will lead to a steady income. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Chris From erick_papadakis at yahoo.com Wed Sep 4 19:01:01 2002 From: erick_papadakis at yahoo.com (Erick Papadakis) Date: Wed Sep 4 19:01:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Countries in web logs? Message-ID: <20020905000056.65439.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> hi, does any one know how my "webalizer" knows that people connected from germany, italy, belgium etc? the only thing i see in my server logs are ip addresses, so how does the log analyzer calculate? by "reverse DNS"? if so, how can i do it in perl? thanks .ep __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From axe at suburbia.com.au Wed Sep 4 19:07:00 2002 From: axe at suburbia.com.au (Chris) Date: Wed Sep 4 19:07:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Countries in web logs? In-Reply-To: <20020905000056.65439.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: By default your apache httpd.conf will have: # HostnameLookups: Log the names of clients or just their IP addresses HostnameLookups Off If you were to change that to # HostnameLookups: Log the names of clients or just their IP addresses HostnameLookups On I believe webalizer would be able to do it's thing better with countries. Regards, Chris -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Erick Papadakis Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 09:31 To: thelist Subject: [thelist] Countries in web logs? hi, does any one know how my "webalizer" knows that people connected from germany, italy, belgium etc? the only thing i see in my server logs are ip addresses, so how does the log analyzer calculate? by "reverse DNS"? if so, how can i do it in perl? thanks .ep __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From lindsay at redsquare.com.au Wed Sep 4 19:16:01 2002 From: lindsay at redsquare.com.au (Lindsay Evans) Date: Wed Sep 4 19:16:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Countries in web logs? In-Reply-To: <20020905000056.65439.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Erick, > hi, does any one know how my "webalizer" knows that people connected from > germany, italy, belgium etc? the only thing i see in my server logs are > ip addresses, so how does the log analyzer calculate? by "reverse DNS"? yep. > if so, how can i do it in perl? try this: use Socket; $str_iaddr = "207.46.230.219"; $iaddr = inet_aton($str_iaddr); $name = gethostbyaddr($iaddr, AF_INET); print $str_iaddr. " = " . $name; -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au From cspruck at mindspring.com Wed Sep 4 20:25:00 2002 From: cspruck at mindspring.com (Chris Spruck) Date: Wed Sep 4 20:25:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Further Training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020904204408.02293e50@pop3.norton.antivirus> At 09:16 AM 9/5/02 +0930, Chris wrote: >Hello, > >I have been given the oppurtunity to undertake about 800 $AU of further IT >training. >I already have Certificate III & IV in Information Technology but I was >wondering if anyone has any suggestions about where best to apply this >training for best job prospects. > >I have heard that MCSE's are always in demand but in what area specifically. > >I would like to stay in the web development area but at this stage, I am >more interested in getting some more training that will lead to a steady >income. Chris, From http://microsoft.com/traincert/mcp/default.asp: "The Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) credential is the premier certification for professionals who analyze the business requirements and design and implement the infrastructure for business solutions based on the Microsoft Windows? 2000 platform and Microsoft server software. " When you look at the requirements, you find that the tests are geared towards servers, networking and infrastructure, which while not quite web dev, will generally lead to more stable income, if that's the kind of work you want to do. Maybe a Microsoft Certified Application Developer (MCAD) cert might be of interest? Be sure to check into all the related costs for something like this. Here in the US, any one test for a MS cert usually costs US$100 to take, so I imagine you could blow through 800 $AU pretty quickly, if you took 4-5 tests and got some study guides or books to prepare with. The "Getting Started" info at http://microsoft.com/traincert/start/default.asp is probably good to look through too. http://www.cramsession.com (registration required) is a good site that has lots of quick study guides in the form of PDFs for numerous certification programs. Macromedia also has programs that are more web dev oriented, as opposed to networking and infrastructure. http://www.macromedia.com/support/training/certified_professional_program/ Instead of a full blown certification track, it might be worth just taking some advanced classes in something you use or need to increase your skills in like PHP or Flash or whatever. You didn't really mention what you currently do within web dev or what technologies you already use, so I'm not sure if this stuff fits what you had in mind. MS certifications are definitely a good way to go if you're looking to maximize your employability and are willing to go down the MS path, but that also probably depends on the job market near your location. Maybe there's a flood of unemployed MCSEs in the job market near you or for some reason, MS training isn't as well regarded as in other places. I would definitely check out the local demand for whatever you decide on, before you commit to anything. HTH! Chris From magic32 at jps.net Wed Sep 4 21:41:01 2002 From: magic32 at jps.net (Roger Harness) Date: Wed Sep 4 21:41:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] domain renewal In-Reply-To: <20020904170343.E70C43A1D@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: Ok, kind of embarassing, as I *really* should know more about this. Anyways, at one of the (few) sites I've taken over for, I've just received a domain name renewal notice. They're asking a year for 45 bucks, or 2 for $75. When I show this to my boss, I'm thinking he's going to ask me (rightfully) if/why can(t) I get it cheaper. MY domain name *is* cheaper, but is it cool/safe to switch? And honestly, when they say domain name renewal, do they mean just to re-register it? For the record, here's the exact email quote: "Hello, Your domain name is due for renewal by Nov 5th. Please call me to make arrangements 1 year $45 2 years $75" Again, REALLY sorry to seem so clueless/dumb about this, but when my boss asks me, I'm honestly not sure what to tell him. I've never really messed with REnewing anything yet. I'm looking at internic, verisign etc, just not entirely sure what I'm looking for, ya know? Jeez. as always, TIA, -Roger Harness From john at evolt.org.uk Wed Sep 4 21:54:01 2002 From: john at evolt.org.uk (John Handelaar) Date: Wed Sep 4 21:54:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] domain renewal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: % -----Original Message----- % From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org % [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Roger Harness % Sent: 05 September 2002 03:43 % To: thelist at lists.evolt.org % Subject: [thelist] domain renewal % % "Hello, % % Your domain name is due for renewal by Nov 5th. Please call me to make % arrangements % % 1 year $45 % 2 years $75" % % I'm looking at internic, verisign etc, just not entirely sure what I'm % looking for, ya know? You're looking for GANDI.net, who will transfer your unexpired domain and add a year to its expiry date for ?12 (about $10). They also explicitly state that you own your domain, and they don't. Oh, and they provide free primary and secondary DNS hosting if you need it. And their actions (in my experience) never take more than 24 hours to propagate. They rock, basically. ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 8933 1494 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From me at karmanaut.com Wed Sep 4 22:34:00 2002 From: me at karmanaut.com (Viveka) Date: Wed Sep 4 22:34:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] domain renewal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:53 am +0100 5/9/02, John Handelaar wrote: >% I'm looking at internic, verisign etc, just not entirely sure what I'm >% looking for, ya know? > >You're looking for GANDI.net, who will transfer your unexpired >domain and add a year to its expiry date for *12 (about $10). > >They also explicitly state that you own your domain, and they >don't. Oh, and they provide free primary and secondary DNS >hosting if you need it. And their actions (in my experience) >never take more than 24 hours to propagate. > >They rock, basically. I would also recommend this course of action. Gandi are superb, while simultaneously being almost as cheap as it gets. You will never need to communicate with your old registrar again. Just fill in the forms at Gandi before your domain expires, and they will sort it all out for you. Regards, V. -- Viveka Weiley, Karmanaut. { http://www.karmanaut.com | http://www.planet-earth.org http://www.MacWeb3D.org | http://sydney.siggraph.org.au } Hypermedia, virtual worlds, human interface, truth, beauty. From dbindel at austin.rr.com Wed Sep 4 23:09:01 2002 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Wed Sep 4 23:09:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] PHP header() for post variables Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am in a situation where I need to redirect a user to another page but also send HTTP POST variables to that page using PHP (I'm assuming using the header() function). I'm sure somebody out there knows how to do this. TIA, David Bindel +----------------------------------+ | David I. Bindel, Web Developer | | (PHP, MySQL, XML, ASP) | | http://www.dbindel.getmyip.com | | Email: dbindel at austin.rr.com | +----------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPXbYxLwc2umqeOxSEQLS5QCeKb5LkFIoWLzqWA84w6GRT6d+LQsAnRr/ hqOj7Gvg2ejC/N8TTvcnqpQt =fVFD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Anthony at Baratta.com Thu Sep 5 00:04:01 2002 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Thu Sep 5 00:04:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] PHP header() for post variables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904215845.01cf8830@baratta.com> At 09:08 PM 9/4/2002, David Bindel wrote: >I am in a situation where I need to redirect a user to another page but also >send HTTP POST variables to that page using PHP (I'm assuming using the >header() function). I'm sure somebody out there knows how to do this. I don't think you can redirect to another page AND post to that page. You can, of course, stuff the information into the URL - but that maybe not be workable with the data you want to send. (Plus you'll need to URL encode all the data.) It's because the browser is the one dealing with the new page. You (the server) says go "here" and the browser goes and gets that page. But posting to that page at the same time, is not part of the communication because all you have time to tell the browser is go "here". The browser will ignore the rest. One option maybe to post to the page "server to server" and deal with accordingly. Another option would be to save the information to a session object and then redirect. The target page can look for the session object and work on the data then. (If I'm wrong some here will correct me. ;-) --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Sep 5 01:56:01 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Thu Sep 5 01:56:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] domain renewal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: roger, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: John Handelaar > > % From: Roger Harness > % > % I'm looking at internic, verisign etc, just not > % entirely sure what I'm looking for, ya know? > > You're looking for GANDI.net, who will transfer your > unexpired domain and add a year to its expiry date for > ?12 (about $10). ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< i've got to second the suggestion of gandi.net. i used to use a mishmash of domain registrars, all on the more expensive end due to the notion of "you get what you pay for". but finally took the plunge and tried out gandi.net. i was so pleasantly surprised with the first domain i registered with them that i've been moving all the rest of the domains i'm responsible for over to them as well. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Sep 5 02:18:01 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Thu Sep 5 02:18:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE 5/Mac File Download Behavior In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904090430.048f1610@mail.imaginuity.com> Message-ID: ben, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Ben Dyer > > Can someone explain this to me? On this page: > > > > I have a list of files for downloading. Now, each link > calls the script that pushes the file in question to the > client-side (either it opens in the browser or it > downloads the file). > > The script itself doesn't do anything spectacular. At > the moment, it merely s to the file. > > Now, everything works great in every browser I can find... > except for IE5/Mac (specific version doesn't seem to > matter and neither does OS 9/OS X). It opens the file > (in "Preview" in OS X) after it saves the file on > the desktop as the PDF, but gives it the name of > "index.cfm," which means, at least on my machine at home, > I can't reopen it without renaming it. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< this should do what you need. just replace the various variables with the appropriate values. good luck, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Thu Sep 5 02:38:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Thu Sep 5 02:38:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] NS 7, Mozilla problem Message-ID: >Yes, very. I wasn't incredibly worried about it in Mozilla (I know, I >know). But the bug showing up in NS7 too... thats not good. If anyone has >any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. > >www.mccimaging.com The problem is in Dreamweaver MM_JunkCode() stuff, so I suppose you'll have to ask on a Dreamweaver list. The problem is here, all right (Moz 1.1 Win2000). The files fpi-writevb.js and fpi-main.js do not exist, so the SCRIPT includes don't work. I don't think it has anything to do with the problem, but it might. Otherwise the code is just too bloody complicated, spotting the error may take days. I *think* that the style for the mouseovered links is wrong: it contains far too much padding. Try removing the doctype and see if that helps. Check the normal and mouseover styles of the links and see if border+padding is always the same. I once had a similar problem because of a 1px border that slightly moved the element, giving a very ugly effect. Decreasing the padding by 1px at the same time removed the problem. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Thu Sep 5 02:42:01 2002 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Thu Sep 5 02:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] domain renewal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: but finally took the plunge and tried out gandi.net. > i was so pleasantly surprised with the first domain i > registered with them that i've been moving all the rest of > the domains i'm responsible for over to them as well. > > .jeff I got all excited until I discovered Only domain names in .COM, .NET, .ORG, .INFO, .BIZ or .NAME are handled by GANDI In which case I will stick with http://www.123-reg.co.uk/ who give a similar service for a similar price. hth Tony From les.lytollis at morse.com Thu Sep 5 02:55:01 2002 From: les.lytollis at morse.com (Les Lytollis) Date: Thu Sep 5 02:55:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] PHP header() for post variables Message-ID: <0F59E973A6C7D511886F00508BFC92971619D4@DBYEXCH1> > > I am in a situation where I need to redirect a user to > another page but also > send HTTP POST variables to that page using PHP (I'm assuming > using the > header() function). > I don't think you can do both. What I usually do is post to an "action script" (server-side only) which can then process the post vars and redirect or build the page you want the user to see. HTH Lez From stephane.deschamps at francetelecom.com Thu Sep 5 03:00:01 2002 From: stephane.deschamps at francetelecom.com (DESCHAMPS =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= DvSI/SICoR) Date: Thu Sep 5 03:00:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] dangers of using contenteditable? In-Reply-To: <5A69399A2BB6504B9193F0A1660A5CF902DB9C@pefl-mail1.pefl.ctcgsc.org> Message-ID: <000301c254b2$1451c410$289bf8c1@SDeschamatnw> Hi Jason, Failed to work here on IE5.5 though. > -----Message d'origine----- > De : thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]De la part de Haag, Jason > Does anyone know of any explicit dangers of using the > 'contenteditable' > property? > > I thought some evolt members might like to check this out: > > Has anyone heard of xopus? > Website: http://www.xopus.org From stephane.deschamps at francetelecom.com Thu Sep 5 03:03:01 2002 From: stephane.deschamps at francetelecom.com (DESCHAMPS =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= DvSI/SICoR) Date: Thu Sep 5 03:03:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] domain renewal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c254b2$77078a90$289bf8c1@SDeschamatnw> > -----Message d'origine----- > De : thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]De la part de Tony Crockford > I got all excited until I discovered Only domain names in .COM, .NET, > .ORG, .INFO, .BIZ or .NAME are handled by GANDI > > In which case I will stick with http://www.123-reg.co.uk/ who give a > similar service for a similar price. For the record, they're french. Which may be the reason why they can't offer CCtld's like .co.uk From dm at lgcy.com Thu Sep 5 03:27:00 2002 From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley) Date: Thu Sep 5 03:27:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Opera 6.01 going ga ga? Message-ID: <003001c254be$3212af80$6cca0ed0@medley> I've been told that at my web site: http://www.lobowalk.com/ , the top nav bar (Books | Trippin' | Comment goes ga ga in Opera 6.01 until it is scrolled up. It then goes normal. What I'm wondering, is this because of faulty CSS or a bug in the browser? If it's faulty CSS, where did I drop the ball? TIA Daniel Feeling more like I do now than I did before at http://www.lobowalk.com From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Thu Sep 5 03:43:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Thu Sep 5 03:43:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Opera 6.01 going ga ga? Message-ID: >I've been told that at my web site: http://www.lobowalk.com/ , the top nav >bar (Books | Trippin' | Comment goes ga ga in Opera 6.01 until it is >scrolled up. It then goes normal. What I'm wondering, is this because of >faulty CSS or a bug in the browser? If it's faulty CSS, where did I drop >the >ball? It looks as if the whole div#top comes down a few pixels when mousing over the link. At a guess: remove the position: relative from div#top, you don't need it anyway. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dm at lgcy.com Thu Sep 5 04:17:01 2002 From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley) Date: Thu Sep 5 04:17:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Opera 6.01 going ga ga? References: Message-ID: <000401c254c5$28450e60$96ca0ed0@medley> > It looks as if the whole div#top comes down a few pixels when mousing over > the link. At a guess: remove the position: relative from div#top, you don't > need it anyway. > > ppk Okay, I've tweaked some on the CSS. Has this remedied this problem? Thanks for your time, Daniel Medley From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Thu Sep 5 04:27:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Thu Sep 5 04:27:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Opera 6.01 going ga ga? Message-ID: >From: "Daniel Medley" >Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >To: >Subject: Re: [thelist] Opera 6.01 going ga ga? >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:15:27 -0700 > > > > It looks as if the whole div#top comes down a few pixels when mousing >over > > the link. At a guess: remove the position: relative from div#top, you >don't > > need it anyway. > > > > ppk >Okay, I've tweaked some on the CSS. Has this remedied this problem? Yup, looks perfect. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From webmaster at menouno.com Thu Sep 5 04:45:01 2002 From: webmaster at menouno.com (Massimo Mezzini) Date: Thu Sep 5 04:45:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] domain renewal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D7743B4.15682.7790EF@localhost> On 5 Sep 2002 at 3:53, John Handelaar wrote: > You're looking for GANDI.net, who will transfer your unexpired > domain and add a year to its expiry date for ?12 (about $10). sort of - euro and US dollar have been around 1 = 1 for a few months now > They also explicitly state that you own your domain, and they > don't. Oh, and they provide free primary and secondary DNS > hosting if you need it. And their actions (in my experience) > never take more than 24 hours to propagate. this will give me a chance to pay for a long overdue debt... Are you planning to move a domain to a new registrar? Consider that the whole procedure could take two weeks or more to complete, even if everything flows smoothly. Better to start around one month *before* the domain expires or you will risk to get stuck in a dangerous limbo. Also consider that the new registrar will send one or more authorization request(s) to the ADMIN contact listed for the domain: is the original mailbox still active (and checked regularly by somebody that would know what to do)? ciao Massimo From nansmith at heritageconcord.org Thu Sep 5 05:09:01 2002 From: nansmith at heritageconcord.org (Nan Smith) Date: Thu Sep 5 05:09:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] domain renewal In-Reply-To: <3D7743B4.15682.7790EF@localhost> Message-ID: If you are looking for a cheap company in the US, I use godaddy.com. I have 15 domain names for various clients registered there. they charge about $7.75 for the transfer and registering the domain name gets cheaper the longer you register it. If you register a name for 10 years, it is only $7 a year. However, they only do all the usual ones, dot com, net, org for the cheaper price, dot us, biz and info are about a dollar more. Dot ws is even a little more. I have never had a problem with them. Nan > You're looking for GANDI.net, who will transfer your unexpired > domain and add a year to its expiry date for ?12 (about $10). From php at erasinar.com Thu Sep 5 05:09:07 2002 From: php at erasinar.com (Wahyu Harsono) Date: Thu Sep 5 05:09:07 2002 Subject: [thelist] Submitting to search engines References: Message-ID: <004801c254c5$9144f060$0400a8c0@bb> Did u Know The Best Search Engines Submission Service Is Your Self. Submit your site by your self to DMOZ.org and Google, Thats Enough. Thx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Johnson" To: "TheList" Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:19 AM Subject: [thelist] Submitting to search engines > Can anyone recommend a good service for submitting a site to the major search engines. I am bombarded by ads from these services > all the time and don't know which ones are worthwhile. I used to do it myself when all the search engines had a free site submittal > option but that is rare now :-(. > > Amy > > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Thu Sep 5 06:26:01 2002 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Thu Sep 5 06:26:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] PHP header() for post variables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c254ce$fcb65880$8102a8c0@000347D72515> [snip] I am in a situation where I need to redirect a user to another page but also send HTTP POST variables to that page using PHP (I'm assuming using the header() function). I'm sure somebody out there knows how to do this. [/snip] http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/12039/fid/51 Read the above as it explains how to send POST variables without a form. It should be a good place to start. Incidentally, (I had seen this URL before on the PHP list) I searched the mail archive at http://www.php.net using 'POST with redirect' to find this. A valuable resource for PHP jockeys to be sure. HTH! Jay ***************************************************** * Texas PHP Developers Conf Spring 2003 * * T Bar M Resort & Conference Center * * New Braunfels, Texas * * Contact jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com * * * * Want to present a paper or workshop? Contact now! * ***************************************************** From axe at suburbia.com.au Thu Sep 5 07:49:06 2002 From: axe at suburbia.com.au (Chris) Date: Thu Sep 5 07:49:06 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE's Discuss Feature Message-ID: Hello, Has anyone here ever had to set up a Discussion Server to work with the Internet Explorer 'Discuss' feature. So far from my reading I have gathered that you need to install Office Server Extensions to get it to work. Also, is there any information floating around somewhere about how to get the Discuss feature to work with non MS servers, such as with Apache etc. My searches of MSDN and Google were inconclusive. :) Regards, Chris From sam at sam-i-am.com Thu Sep 5 08:48:01 2002 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam) Date: Thu Sep 5 08:48:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE5Mac horizontal scrollbar bug solved References: Message-ID: <3D776383.A2CEF9D0@sam-i-am.com> hi ppk, I worked a little on the same problem, and came up with a useful css hack to target a rule just at MacIE5. This was in connection to some problems I was having with scrolly divs - block elements set with overflow: auto; see: http://sam-i-am.com/work/css/index.html and http://www.sam-i-am.com/testsuite/css/mac_ie5_hack.html for the commented backslash hack. I tried negative right margins and settled on right padding instead to remedy the h. scrollbar problem - though now I can't remember why. And your page seems fairly conclusive, so I'll defer to your testing there. I never did solve the problem of the cropped content and scrolly divs (where the content is hidden but still apparently present - forcing scrollbars where none appear necessary) nice work, Sam Peter-Paul Koch wrote: > > Hello, > > I think I have solved a minor but annoying CSS bug in Explorer 5 on Mac. > When placing absolutely positioned elements near the right or bottom border > of the window, IE5Mac shows annoying scrollbars where none are needed. The > horizontal ones, especially, creep up in many places (in Hotmail, for > instance). ... > > See http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/ie5mac/margin.html for the full story and > the solution. > > One browser bug solved, only 423,598 to go. > > ppk From CDitty at email.usps.gov Thu Sep 5 09:17:01 2002 From: CDitty at email.usps.gov (Ditty, Chris - Memphis, TN) Date: Thu Sep 5 09:17:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Cluster/Load Balancing Issues..... Message-ID: <70EDC551EFE5684B9B3C8E5890F7836301DC1624@rlghncsxm20.usa.dce.usps.gov> Hi all, Another toughy question for those of you that work with clusters/load balancers. We are about to roll out a service up here that allows our users to upload files via http to our server. The process works fine as is on a single box, but when we throw it into a cluster, we need to gaurantee that it either stays on that box or points to a specific box. We thought about just pointing the upload to a specific IP address for the main box, but the load balancer might end up sending the request to any of the boxes. We thought about mapping a drive on both boxes to the same location, but since I cannot get admin access to it, I can't make it work correctly. If anyone can suggest anything, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Chris From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Thu Sep 5 09:18:01 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Thu Sep 5 09:18:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print In-Reply-To: <001901c254ce$fcb65880$8102a8c0@000347D72515> Message-ID: are there any graphics guys there that can point me to an image bank with hi res images for a print job? Need smiley faces for a dentist flyer :) Andrew --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Thu Sep 5 09:31:01 2002 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Thu Sep 5 09:31:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL query question about AND OR and date ranges Message-ID: <003001c254e8$baad2350$8102a8c0@000347D72515> Howdy there brain trust! I have a query; mysql> SELECT cdr.discn_dt, COUNT(cdr.ani) AS quantity, SUM(cdr.calldur/60) AS minutes -> FROM tblCDR cdr LEFT OUTER JOIN tblCDRExempt e -> ON cdr.ani = e.ExemptCDR -> WHERE e.ExemptCDR IS NULL -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' -> AND cdr.dialedno LIKE '800%' -> GROUP BY cdr.discn_dt; Which works properly, returning the proper range of dates. When I add an OR clause mysql> SELECT cdr.discn_dt, COUNT(cdr.ani) AS quantity, SUM(cdr.calldur/60) AS minutes -> FROM tblCDR cdr LEFT OUTER JOIN tblCDRExempt e -> ON cdr.ani = e.ExemptCDR -> WHERE e.ExemptCDR IS NULL -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' -> AND cdr.dialedno LIKE '800%' -> OR cdr.dialedno LIKE '866%' -> GROUP BY cdr.discn_dt; It returns dates from outside of the range specified. I do not understand why it does this and cannot find anything on the web or in a book that explains the behavior close enough for me to discern. Since I cannot find an explanation I cannot find a proper solution either. Has anyone seen this behavior or would anyone have a solution? Thanks muchly! Jay ***************************************************** * Texas PHP Developers Conf Spring 2003 * * T Bar M Resort & Conference Center * * New Braunfels, Texas * * Contact jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com * * * * Want to present a paper or workshop? Contact now! * ***************************************************** From eric.engelmann at geonetric.com Thu Sep 5 09:32:01 2002 From: eric.engelmann at geonetric.com (Eric Engelmann) Date: Thu Sep 5 09:32:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE's Discuss Feature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The only way I've gotten it to work is with the SharePoint software included with officeXP. Works reasonably well, but haven't tried on anything other than Win2k server. From john at evolt.org.uk Thu Sep 5 09:39:01 2002 From: john at evolt.org.uk (John Handelaar) Date: Thu Sep 5 09:39:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL query question about AND OR and date ranges In-Reply-To: <003001c254e8$baad2350$8102a8c0@000347D72515> Message-ID: % -----Original Message----- % From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org % [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Jay Blanchard % Sent: 05 September 2002 15:30 % To: thelist at lists.evolt.org % Subject: [thelist] SQL query question about AND OR and date ranges % % % mysql> SELECT cdr.discn_dt, COUNT(cdr.ani) AS quantity, % SUM(cdr.calldur/60) % AS minutes % -> FROM tblCDR cdr LEFT OUTER JOIN tblCDRExempt e % -> ON cdr.ani = e.ExemptCDR % -> WHERE e.ExemptCDR IS NULL % -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' % -> AND ( % cdr.dialedno LIKE '800%' % -> OR cdr.dialedno LIKE '866%' ) % -> GROUP BY cdr.discn_dt; Put the brackets in. If you think about it for a moment you'll figure out why for yourself :-) ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 8933 1494 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From roselli at earthlink.net Thu Sep 5 09:42:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu Sep 5 09:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print In-Reply-To: References: <001901c254ce$fcb65880$8102a8c0@000347D72515> Message-ID: <200209051441.g85EftD2011002@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Andrew Maynes" > > are there any graphics guys there that can point me to an image bank > with hi res images for a print job? Need smiley faces for a dentist > flyer :) any stock photo house, since nearly all of them got their start supporting the print world... most of the links in this article should work for you: Stock Photography Resources for Web Designers http://evolt.org/article/list/22/3631/ word on the street is that the images here are free, but you should check it our for yourself: http://www.istockphoto.com/ -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg02-20 ISBN: 1904151035 From steve.cook at evitbe.com Thu Sep 5 09:42:10 2002 From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook) Date: Thu Sep 5 09:42:10 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL query question about AND OR and date ranges Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D52307931@SBS> Hi Jay! It looks to me like you need some brackets. mysql> SELECT cdr.discn_dt, COUNT(cdr.ani) AS quantity, SUM(cdr.calldur/60) AS minutes -> FROM tblCDR cdr LEFT OUTER JOIN tblCDRExempt e -> ON cdr.ani = e.ExemptCDR -> WHERE e.ExemptCDR IS NULL -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' -> AND (cdr.dialedno LIKE '800%' -> OR cdr.dialedno LIKE '866%') -> GROUP BY cdr.discn_dt; Your original example was having the following effect: mysql> SELECT cdr.discn_dt, COUNT(cdr.ani) AS quantity, SUM(cdr.calldur/60) AS minutes -> FROM tblCDR cdr LEFT OUTER JOIN tblCDRExempt e -> ON cdr.ani = e.ExemptCDR -> WHERE (e.ExemptCDR IS NULL -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' -> AND cdr.dialedno LIKE '800%') -> OR (cdr.dialedno LIKE '866%') -> GROUP BY cdr.discn_dt; That *should* do the trick I think. Let us know if it was something else. .steve ------------------------------------- Cookstour - http://www.cookstour.org ------------------------------------- From webdev at mountain.ch Thu Sep 5 09:45:02 2002 From: webdev at mountain.ch (Mark Howells) Date: Thu Sep 5 09:45:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > are there any graphics guys there that can point me to an image bank > with hi res > images for a print job? Need smiley faces for a dentist flyer :) is part of the Getty group -- I use them a lot for my projects. You could try too, though I don't know how high the resolution of their stock is. Regards Mark Howells AIM: mhoaim From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Thu Sep 5 09:47:00 2002 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Thu Sep 5 09:47:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] SQL query question about AND OR and date ranges A SOLUTION In-Reply-To: <003001c254e8$baad2350$8102a8c0@000347D72515> Message-ID: <003401c254ea$ff329260$8102a8c0@000347D72515> [snip] It returns dates from outside of the range specified. I do not understand why it does this and cannot find anything on the web or in a book that explains the behavior close enough for me to discern. Since I cannot find an explanation I cannot find a proper solution either. Has anyone seen this behavior or would anyone have a solution? [/snip] Just for giggles I tried this; mysql> SELECT cdr.discn_dt, COUNT(cdr.ani) AS quantity, SUM(cdr.calldur/60) AS minutes -> FROM tblCDR cdr LEFT OUTER JOIN tblCDRExempt e -> ON cdr.ani = e.ExemptCDR -> WHERE e.ExemptCDR IS NULL -> AND cdr.dialedno LIKE '800%' -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' -> OR cdr.dialedno LIKE '866%' -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' -> OR cdr.dialedno LIKE '877%' -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' -> OR cdr.dialedno LIKE '888%' -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' -> GROUP BY cdr.discn_dt; which essentially performs the date range on each OR. Then John said *slapping self in forhead very hard* "Put the brackets in. If you think about it for a moment you'll figure out why for yourself :-)" mysql> SELECT cdr.discn_dt, COUNT(cdr.ani) AS quantity, SUM(cdr.calldur/60) AS minutes -> FROM tblCDR cdr LEFT OUTER JOIN tblCDRExempt e -> ON cdr.ani = e.ExemptCDR -> WHERE e.ExemptCDR IS NULL -> AND cdr.discn_dt BETWEEN '2002-07-01' AND '2002-07-30' -> AND (cdr.dialedno LIKE '800%' -> OR cdr.dialedno LIKE '866%' -> OR cdr.dialedno LIKE '877%' -> OR cdr.dialedno LIKE '888%') -> GROUP BY cdr.discn_dt; I thought when I got up this morning I should have gone back to bed. Now that theory (the only one of this very short day thus far) has been proven correct whilst I struggle with the most basic of things. Thanks John. Thanks! Jay ***************************************************** * Texas PHP Developers Conf Spring 2003 * * T Bar M Resort & Conference Center * * New Braunfels, Texas * * Contact jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com * * * * Want to present a paper or workshop? Contact now! * ***************************************************** From susanhw at webcastle.com Thu Sep 5 10:02:00 2002 From: susanhw at webcastle.com (Susan Wallace) Date: Thu Sep 5 10:02:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF Scheduler/Mail problems Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020905091756.00ad0b10@pop-server.houston.rr.com> I am having a problem with the Scheduler in CF Server 5 Ent. (on NT) I have a scheduled task that should send an e-mail to each person in a query result list. This works just fine if I run the task manually. It does not run if I schedule it. I even setup a basic test page that was to send an e-mail to me through the scheduler. It works if I run it manually, but if I wait for the scheduler to do it, or if I click the "Run task now" icon in the scheduler, it does not send the mail. I get a success message both on the screen and in the log, I have turned on all logging to try and find this, nothing shows up except "200 success". I monitored the SPOOL folder, the mail file is never created. I have two servers, basically identical. One of them will run the scheduled task, including sending the e-mail, the other will not. I noticed that the mail header identifies the CF Server as: CF 4.5.0, and in the Forums I saw that someone claimed that Scheduler does not work properly with CFMAIL in version 4.5 - but I am unable to verify that. I have tried all suggested tricks from the Forums - i.e. renaming the task. resetting the time, deleting and recreating the task, all to no avail. I did not see anything related in Tech Notes... Has anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? I am wondering if re-installing the product would help... ? Thanks! Susan Wallace From susanhw at webcastle.com Thu Sep 5 10:53:01 2002 From: susanhw at webcastle.com (Susan Wallace) Date: Thu Sep 5 10:53:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] OT: Events Registration Companies Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020905102219.00af0100@pop-server.houston.rr.com> This is semi-OT. I am trying to help a client locate a company that can professionally handle events registration for a convention that happens once per year in a different location. (U.S. Locations currently, but with attendees from around the world ) Currently, this is being handled very poorly and there is no confidence that the current company can remedy the situation, so they are looking at other solutions. The caveat here is that this is for a membership organization, it is a requirement that someone who registers for the convention be a current member, and if not, their membership fee is added onto their registration. This requires that the registration company be able to work with the existing membership database - preferably in a "live" setting as opposed to "We send you the data once a week, you send us back a list of who changed" - this is ridiculous. There is a need for both online and via phone or fax registration, there should also be hotel/airfare arrangements etc - basically, what I need is some recommendations for Travel Agencies/Conference Management Companies who are 1) Online 2) Technically savvy 3) willing to work with the client and *for* the client without forcing their pigeonhole system on the client 4) Has references for dealing with events of medium size - 7,000 - 10,000 attendees... (or would that be large?) 5) Can handle both off-site and on-site registration, hotel accommodations, travel arrangements etc. I have found the following list in the Google Directory, but would really appreciate it if someone could let me know if they have any experience with any of these companies so that I can narrow my starting point. http://makeashorterlink.com/?X18F213B1 Shameless self promotion is also fine, and feel free to e-mail me off-list. Thanks for your input! Remember that when you hire a vendor, it is usually because they provide a service that you need but cannot handle in-house. The keyword here being service. If you find yourself with the same vendor in a few years, and the service is not exactly what you need, it IS ok to look for other solutions. From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Sep 5 10:58:01 2002 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu Sep 5 10:58:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020905155744.48486.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> Somebody just showed me this great resource: http://www.istockphoto.com/ 25 cents..yep 25 CENTS per photo. Haven't looked at it at all, so don't know how hi-res they get. Tom --- Andrew Maynes wrote: > are there any graphics guys there that can point me to an image > bank with hi res > images for a print job? Need smiley faces for a dentist flyer :) > > Andrew > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! ===== var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Thu Sep 5 11:04:01 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Thu Sep 5 11:04:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print In-Reply-To: <20020905155744.48486.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: been on it for an hour and are there any happy smiley faces with nice white teeth, you must be joking Andrew -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Tom Dell'Aringa Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 04:58 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Hi res images for print Somebody just showed me this great resource: http://www.istockphoto.com/ 25 cents..yep 25 CENTS per photo. Haven't looked at it at all, so don't know how hi-res they get. Tom --- Andrew Maynes wrote: > are there any graphics guys there that can point me to an image > bank with hi res > images for a print job? Need smiley faces for a dentist flyer :) > > Andrew > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! ===== var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From richardgray at onetel.co.uk Thu Sep 5 11:21:01 2002 From: richardgray at onetel.co.uk (Rich Gray) Date: Thu Sep 5 11:21:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Cluster/Load Balancing Issues..... In-Reply-To: <70EDC551EFE5684B9B3C8E5890F7836301DC1624@rlghncsxm20.usa.dce.usps.gov> Message-ID: Chris I have worked with some clustering technology but it was a while back now so I'm pretty rusty - is this Microsoft Cluster Service you are dealing with? I only say that as you mention mapping drives rather than mounting file systems ... How is the cluster load balancer implemented? Usually each node in a cluster will have a private IP address so you could theoretically pick one of the nodes and direct your traffic towards it but it will be very unlikely that this address will be accessible from outside the cluster. Even if the individual node was addressable then obviously if it failed then your service would go down with it. So what happens when new content/html pages are published on the site? Is the html replicated around all the nodes manually? Could the file upload area also take part in this replication scheme? You would have to manage file naming conflicts as well... I guess the answer is to speak to the people who manage the cluster and see what they suggest... I've not been much help I'm afraid.... Rich -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ditty, Chris - Memphis, TN Sent: 05 September 2002 14:14 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Cluster/Load Balancing Issues..... Hi all, Another toughy question for those of you that work with clusters/load balancers. We are about to roll out a service up here that allows our users to upload files via http to our server. The process works fine as is on a single box, but when we throw it into a cluster, we need to gaurantee that it either stays on that box or points to a specific box. We thought about just pointing the upload to a specific IP address for the main box, but the load balancer might end up sending the request to any of the boxes. We thought about mapping a drive on both boxes to the same location, but since I cannot get admin access to it, I can't make it work correctly. If anyone can suggest anything, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Chris -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From dougal at gunters.org Thu Sep 5 11:30:01 2002 From: dougal at gunters.org (Dougal Campbell) Date: Thu Sep 5 11:30:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020905112033.P2903-100000@www.nationalispgroup.com> istockphoto.com is an excellent resource for high-quality images. But they don't have much in the way of "schlock" clipart. You might try ArtToday . Not free, but low-cost. On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Andrew Maynes wrote: > been on it for an hour and are there any happy smiley faces with nice white > teeth, you must be joking > > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Tom Dell'Aringa > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 04:58 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] Hi res images for print > > > Somebody just showed me this great resource: > > http://www.istockphoto.com/ > > 25 cents..yep 25 CENTS per photo. Haven't looked at it at all, so > don't know how hi-res they get. > > Tom > --- Andrew Maynes wrote: > > are there any graphics guys there that can point me to an image > > bank with hi res > > images for a print job? Need smiley faces for a dentist flyer :) > > > > Andrew > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 > > > > -- > > For unsubscribe and other options, including > > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > ===== > var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); > > http://www.pixelmech.com/ > http://www.maccaws.com/ > [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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From mailinglists at planetgnarly.com Thu Sep 5 11:37:04 2002 From: mailinglists at planetgnarly.com (Olly Hodgson) Date: Thu Sep 5 11:37:04 2002 Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c254fa$f6c0e8b0$8300a8c0@comp1> > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print > > are there any graphics guys there that can point me to an > image bank with hi res images for a print job? Need smiley > faces for a dentist flyer :) Digital Vision - www.digitalvisiononline.co.uk They have branches all over the world. http://www.google.com/search?q=digital+vision Olly http://planetgnarly.com From slewis at macrovista.net Thu Sep 5 11:49:01 2002 From: slewis at macrovista.net (Steve Lewis) Date: Thu Sep 5 11:49:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Cluster/Load Balancing Issues..... References: Message-ID: <3D778C6C.4080901@macrovista.net> Chris: > files via http to our server. The process works fine as is on a single box, > but > when we throw it into a cluster, we need to gaurantee that it either stays > on > that box or points to a specific box. > > We thought about just pointing the upload to a specific IP address for the > main > box, but the load balancer might end up sending the request to any of the > boxes. File replication across the cluster should be available, but sometimes we have to brew our own. This requires that you have a way to individually address each server in the cluster. It sounds like this might be a problem, or else you would probably just reference the individual server in the link to the uploaded file in the first place. I will describe two possible solutions briefly and hope that they give you some ideas...as they probably will present you with new problems themselves. Only the first one attempts file replication. Method A) I have seen hosts who, on upload to an ftp server will queue the file in a process which will then move the file from the ftp server to the clustered web servers. This keeps everything you need for a site together on each web server, and thus is the most congruent sort of option to someone who hosts in a clustered environment. Downside is that the availability of the files someone uploads is delayed while the batch process works. (best viewed in fixed-point fonts) Public IPs || Private IPs Cluster Hub || Web Server 1 FTP server || Web Server 2 || Web Server 3 || Web Server 4 step 1) file uploaded to FTP server 2) batch process runs every two minutes to copy changed/new files to each of the 4 web servers. Method B) Get the uploaded files off the clustered servers, locate them on a separate server with a separate hostname: if you manage example.com which is hosted on the cluster, put uploaded files on uploads.example.com ... This is done by having the form submit to a url on uploads.example.com OR by having the scripts on the clustered servers copy the uploaded file to uploads.example.com after processing on the web server. You sacrifice the load balancing benefits and redundancy of the cluster for uploaded files, and thus most of the value of the cluster for this option. It does provide what could be a simpler solution, and does not impose a significant delay between the upload of the form and the availability of the file. (best viewed in fixed-point fonts) Public IPs || Private IPs Cluster Hub || Web Server 1 upload server || Web Server 2 || Web Server 3 || Web Server 4 HTH -- Steve From roselli at earthlink.net Thu Sep 5 11:58:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu Sep 5 11:58:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] currency conversion service Message-ID: <200209051657.g85GvVD2012834@leo.evolt.org> anyone have any preferred services they use for currency conversion? ideally a site i build would have a component that goes and queries a 3rd-party service for the most up-to-date numbers, or even does the conversion for me... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg02-20 ISBN: 1904151035 From chrisg at gsnet.com Thu Sep 5 12:36:00 2002 From: chrisg at gsnet.com (Chris George) Date: Thu Sep 5 12:36:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] currency conversion service In-Reply-To: <200209051657.g85GvVD2012834@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: On 9/5/02 10:57 AM, "aardvark" wrote: > > anyone have any preferred services they use for currency > conversion? ideally a site i build would have a component that > goes and queries a 3rd-party service for the most up-to-date > numbers, or even does the conversion for me... We've used www.oanda.com (That's Oh And Eh, I think), but this was a couple of years ago, and their services might have have changed since then. Hoe you find what you're looking for, Chris. From stem at stemofficial.co.uk Thu Sep 5 13:02:01 2002 From: stem at stemofficial.co.uk (Dave Stevens) Date: Thu Sep 5 13:02:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] currency conversion service References: <200209051657.g85GvVD2012834@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <000b01c25506$3c3d4bd0$071ee150@BRODIE> I usually use www.xe.com, don't know if thats the kind of thing you're looking for. I've found it accurate when checking prices of overseas goods online. Cheers, Dave Stevens >> [aardvark:] >> anyone have any preferred services they use for >> currency conversion? From brian at brianreaves.com Thu Sep 5 13:41:01 2002 From: brian at brianreaves.com (Brian W. Reaves) Date: Thu Sep 5 13:41:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] web work contract? Message-ID: Can anyone point me to a good contract for use in building a simple web site? Doesn't need to be glamorous, just the basics. Microsoft offers several free pre-made docs 7 templates. I used a couple of ideas from it to create the one I use. Go to: http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/templategallery/ or e-Mail me and I?ll send you a copy of the one I use. HTH, B. From brian at brianreaves.com Thu Sep 5 13:48:01 2002 From: brian at brianreaves.com (Brian W. Reaves) Date: Thu Sep 5 13:48:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Submitting to search engines Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a good service for submitting a site to the major search engines. I have used trafficmagnet.com and gosubmit.com, neither of them proved to be very effective. I have since started working with http://www.coastalsites.com/. They are the #2 submission company on the net (According to an independent article I read about submission companies) and you only pay for results. Tell Curtis I sent you.... HTH, B. http://BrianReaves.com From szh at softhome.net Thu Sep 5 14:05:00 2002 From: szh at softhome.net (Syed Zeeshan Haider) Date: Thu Sep 5 14:05:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.2 problem References: Message-ID: <000001c2550f$57ccb8a0$44dc3fca@haidersystem> Hello Experts, > Running the page through the HTML validator at http://validator.w3.org gives > a large number of errors. Fix those errors and try again - I bet that'll fix > the problem. It could not help me in pre-specified problem. I am bringing my old question back to TheList. I stopped posting because this thread had begun to lose its right path. On http://syedzeeshanhaider.faithweb.com/entertainment/aemardemujahidjaagzara.html, list is using following CSS: ol { color:black;font-family:Sans-serif, Verdana, Arial, Tahoma; font-size:10pt;padding-left:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-bottom:10px;text-ali gn:justify; text-transform: capitalize} It works well with IE 5.5, Opera 6, NN 4.x but when I open this page with Netscape 6.2, list numbers appear on the border of the cell. Any solution to the problem? Thank you, Syed Zeeshan Haider. http://syedzeeshanhaider.faithweb.com/ From david at gigawatt.com Thu Sep 5 14:20:00 2002 From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman) Date: Thu Sep 5 14:20:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] currency conversion service References: <200209051657.g85GvVD2012834@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3d77aff4$1@fuseware.com> aardvark pontificated thusly: > anyone have any preferred services they use for currency > conversion? ideally a site i build would have a component that > goes and queries a 3rd-party service for the most up-to-date > numbers, or even does the conversion for me... i've used http://www.x-rates.com/ -dave From haagj at ctcgsc.org Thu Sep 5 15:13:01 2002 From: haagj at ctcgsc.org (Haag, Jason) Date: Thu Sep 5 15:13:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] RE: dangers of using content editable? Message-ID: <5A69399A2BB6504B9193F0A1660A5CF902DBAB@pefl-mail1.pefl.ctcgsc.org> What about Lime? Both Xopus ( http://xopus.org/index.jsp ) and Lime ( http://www.q42.nl/products/lime/ )claim to work in both IE5.5 and up and Mozilla 1.1 (since the addition of the 'contenteditable' property). I have IE 6, but haven't been able to test in earlier versions. Mozilla 1.1 seems to work. Also, an open source CMS ( http://www.wyona.org )plans to integrate xopus. That would be an amazing CMS! Does anyone know of any CMS(content management systems) that provide real-time editing capablities comparable to these Dutch products? Anyone interested should check out the demos: http://lime.platvorm.com/lime/users/editor/ http://www.q42.nl/xopus/ Thanks in advance, Jason From: "DESCHAMPS =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= DvSI/SICoR" To: Subject: RE: [thelist] dangers of using contenteditable? Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:58:53 +0200 Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Hi Jason, Failed to work here on IE5.5 though. > -----Message d'origine----- > De : thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]De la part de Haag, Jason > Does anyone know of any explicit dangers of using the > 'contenteditable' > property? > > I thought some evolt members might like to check this out: > > Has anyone heard of xopus? > Website: http://www.xopus.org --__--__-- From judah at wiredotter.com Thu Sep 5 16:21:01 2002 From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley) Date: Thu Sep 5 16:21:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] RE: dangers of using content editable? References: <5A69399A2BB6504B9193F0A1660A5CF902DBAB@pefl-mail1.pefl.ctcgsc.org> Message-ID: <3D77CA97.2050403@wiredotter.com> Haag, Jason wrote: > What about Lime? Both Xopus ( http://xopus.org/index.jsp ) and Lime ( > http://www.q42.nl/products/lime/ )claim to work in both IE5.5 and up > and Mozilla 1.1 (since the addition of the 'contenteditable' property). > I have IE 6, but haven't been able to test in earlier versions. Mozilla 1.1 > seems to work. Just to clarify, Lime does not currently seem to support Mozilla 1.1 I went to their demo with Mozilla 1.1 under Win2K and it told me I had to use a microsoft browser. Also, as far as I can tell, Mozilla 1.1 does not yet support the contentEditable property. The bug that tracks this (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97284) indicates potential inclusion in version 1.2 Xopus did implement a workaround (see http://www.xopus.org/index.jsp?menu=mozce) for version 0.9x and up that mimicks the contentEditable behavior for those people with caret browsing turned on. They emphasize, however, that it is a workaround that will disappear when Mozilla incorporates support for it into the browser. Judah From cervantes_vive at yahoo.com Thu Sep 5 18:07:01 2002 From: cervantes_vive at yahoo.com (CV) Date: Thu Sep 5 18:07:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Downloading files with a Mac In-Reply-To: <5A69399A2BB6504B9193F0A1660A5CF902DBAB@pefl-mail1.pefl.ctcgsc.org> Message-ID: <20020905230650.82208.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> I have a site with some files in a propietary format. How can I convince Mac browsers to pop-up the 'Save' dialog rather than display it on the screen as garbage? Under Windows the default behavior for unknown mime types & file extensions is to ask whether to open or save but on Mac browsers the file is always displayed on the screen. On the server end I send out the file with: (it's php) Header( "Content-Type: application/octet-stream" ); Header( "Content-Length:" . filesize( $filepath ) ); Header( "Content-Disposition: attatchment; filename=$filename" ); Header( "Content-Location: $HTTP_HOST/downloadcache/$filename" ); On the Mac (OS 9) I have configured in the Control Panel->Internet->Helper Apps to open the file with my custom app (just in case) Under the respective browser preferences I have set the 'File Helpers' to handle my particular extension & mime. Still tho something is not right as the file is always displayed. Rebundling the files as a hqx or some other compressed format is (complicating things) not an option. Thanks, C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Anthony at Baratta.com Thu Sep 5 18:27:01 2002 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Thu Sep 5 18:27:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Downloading files with a Mac In-Reply-To: <20020905230650.82208.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5A69399A2BB6504B9193F0A1660A5CF902DBAB@pefl-mail1.pefl.ctcgsc.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905162206.027589e8@baratta.com> At 04:06 PM 9/5/2002, CV wrote: >On the server end I send out the file with: (it's php) > >Header( "Content-Type: application/octet-stream" ); >Header( "Content-Length:" . filesize( $filepath ) ); >Header( "Content-Disposition: attatchment; >filename=$filename" ); >Header( "Content-Location: >$HTTP_HOST/downloadcache/$filename" ); You have "attatchment" spelled wrong, too many t's. -- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From burhankhalid at members.evolt.org Thu Sep 5 18:43:01 2002 From: burhankhalid at members.evolt.org (Burhan) Date: Thu Sep 5 18:43:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Site Test (XHTML 1.0 Strict) In-Reply-To: <000701c253e9$ff451cc0$0200a8c0@henry> References: <000701c253e9$ff451cc0$0200a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <19010169511.20020904123002@members.evolt.org> Hello Tim, Good job on the site. I liked the layout, although it felt a little off center, but that's fine with me (it probably degrades well to lower screen resoulutions). A few things I have started to notice on most commercial sites is a lack of proofreading. You also managed to get quite a few typos in there : [ langauges ] Skills --> C/C++ [ extesnive ] Skills --> JavaScript [ nescessary ] Skills --> Java [ langauge ] Skills --> CSS [ webstandrds ] Skills --> CSS [ inlcluding ] Skills --> Oracle [ stratgeies ] Skills --> Consultancy [ provding ] Skills --> Search Engine Optimization [ campaigns ] Clients --> Portfolio --> Bluemax (campaign's) [ ?600,000 ] Clients --> Portfolio --> Commsland ($600,000) [ prioritised ] Process --> Flexible and Open (British Spelling?) There were just the pages I had visited (have to step out). I don't mean to be mean, but if your site it representative of your company, shouldn't every detail be correct? hth, -- *---------------* | Burhan Khalid | *---------------*---------------------------* | Email : burhankhalid[at]members.evolt.org | | Web : members.evolt.org/burhankhalid | | ICQ : 6016166 | | AIM : digitz0819 | | MSN : burhankh[at]hotmail.com | | Yahoo : burhan_khalid | *-------------------------------------------* From jswiders at cs.oberlin.edu Thu Sep 5 18:45:00 2002 From: jswiders at cs.oberlin.edu (Jonathon Isaac Swiderski) Date: Thu Sep 5 18:45:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Downloading files with a Mac In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905162206.027589e8@baratta.com> Message-ID: Today, the cows mooved Anthony Baratta to write: > At 04:06 PM 9/5/2002, CV wrote: > > >Header( "Content-Disposition: attatchment; > > You have "attatchment" spelled wrong, too many t's. To clarify, the proper spelling is 'attachment'. (Not, as one might read the previous, 'atatchment', etc.) -- Jonathon Isaac Swiderski \\ dangercat-20 at dangercat.net cs.oberlin.edu/~jswiders \\ www.dangercat.net/?id=mt "The plural of anecdote is not data." -- Roger Brinner From cervantes_vive at yahoo.com Thu Sep 5 18:50:00 2002 From: cervantes_vive at yahoo.com (CV) Date: Thu Sep 5 18:50:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Downloading files with a Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020905234937.70870.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, my mistake when copying the code. I do have it spelled correctly when a Mac is downloading but still having problems. C p.s. fyi, the spelling is particular to Windows. I had a headache getting the download thru headers to work under Windows until I noticed a MS sample doc that had the misspelling. I tried it and guess what?...problem solved. Ugh! --- Jonathon Isaac Swiderski wrote: > Today, the cows mooved Anthony Baratta to write: > > > At 04:06 PM 9/5/2002, CV wrote: > > > > >Header( "Content-Disposition: attatchment; > > > > You have "attatchment" spelled wrong, too many > t's. > > To clarify, the proper spelling is 'attachment'. > (Not, as one might read > the previous, 'atatchment', etc.) > > -- > Jonathon Isaac Swiderski \\ > dangercat-20 at dangercat.net > cs.oberlin.edu/~jswiders \\ > www.dangercat.net/?id=mt > > "The plural of anecdote is not data." -- Roger > Brinner > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From carole at netdiver.net Thu Sep 5 19:40:01 2002 From: carole at netdiver.net (carole guevin) Date: Thu Sep 5 19:40:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print In-Reply-To: <000001c254fa$f6c0e8b0$8300a8c0@comp1> Message-ID: check inertia stock.xchng - http://stock.d2.hu/ - for *free* pix to download. .c ...new media culture_magazine + portal + http://netdiver.net ..communication design + http://pixeltable.com From sub at shanx.com Thu Sep 5 19:40:10 2002 From: sub at shanx.com (Shashank Tripathi) Date: Thu Sep 5 19:40:10 2002 Subject: [thelist] OT: Events Registration Companies In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020905102219.00af0100@pop-server.houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <004401c2553d$cc04ae20$0200a8c0@SHASHANK> Hi Susan, I may be totally off-base, but I have seen a couple of companies use www.yesevents.com recently. Looks like they are capable of handling what you need. An example of a conference I attended recently is at http://www.yesevents.com/unica/index.html Note that the branding and the look and feel can be as you want..only the backend system is provided by YesEvents. Wonder if this helps at all, Shashank From brian at brianreaves.com Thu Sep 5 19:52:01 2002 From: brian at brianreaves.com (Brian W. Reaves) Date: Thu Sep 5 19:52:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS Layout Help, O6+ Problem Message-ID: The bottom navigation div is shifted to the right a couple of pixels. Go to: http://www.beachrentalvacations.com/index.php I am using Op6+ on WIN2K. I have stripped almost all the CSS in an attempt to find this problem, still no luck. Please advise... TIA, B. From burhankhalid at members.evolt.org Thu Sep 5 19:59:00 2002 From: burhankhalid at members.evolt.org (Burhan) Date: Thu Sep 5 19:59:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Further Training In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020904204408.02293e50@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <4.2.2.20020904204408.02293e50@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <9614728482.20020905200639@members.evolt.org> Hello Chris, Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 8:26:21 PM, you wrote: CS> At 09:16 AM 9/5/02 +0930, Chris wrote: >>Hello, >> >>I have been given the oppurtunity to undertake about 800 $AU of further IT >>training. >>I already have Certificate III & IV in Information Technology but I was >>wondering if anyone has any suggestions about where best to apply this >>training for best job prospects. >> >>I have heard that MCSE's are always in demand but in what area specifically. >> >>I would like to stay in the web development area but at this stage, I am >>more interested in getting some more training that will lead to a steady >>income. Did you check out the CIW (Certified Internet Webmaster) certification? There are different tracks that you can pursue. -- *---------------* | Burhan Khalid | *---------------*---------------------------* | Email : burhankhalid[at]members.evolt.org | | Web : members.evolt.org/burhankhalid | | ICQ : 6016166 | | AIM : digitz0819 | | MSN : burhankh[at]hotmail.com | | Yahoo : burhan_khalid | *-------------------------------------------* From burhankhalid at members.evolt.org Thu Sep 5 20:10:01 2002 From: burhankhalid at members.evolt.org (Burhan) Date: Thu Sep 5 20:10:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Mac Webservers Message-ID: <17815364276.20020905201714@members.evolt.org> Hello Listees, I was wondering if there were any webservers available for Mac OS 9? Also, is there a way to get PHP/Perl working on Mac OS9? Unfortunately for me, this is the platform I am forced to use (the site backend that I am designing is for a newspaper), and I am using PowerPC Macs (OS ver 9) as my dev. platform/production platform. As a last resort, I am hoping to convince the client to release on of their Macs, on which I plan to load Linux (YellowDog) and go from there. I'd rather not have to go this route. On a side note, for someone not too familiar with Macs, is there a way to do a shift+arrow key (which highlights text in the direction of the arrow in Windows) behavior in Macs? Finally, I can't seem to find an "End" key on a Mac keyboard. Do I need to change keyboards, or is that key not implemented? As always, your insights are appreciated, -- *---------------* | Burhan Khalid | *---------------*---------------------------* | Email : burhankhalid[at]members.evolt.org | | Web : members.evolt.org/burhankhalid | | ICQ : 6016166 | | AIM : digitz0819 | | MSN : burhankh[at]hotmail.com | | Yahoo : burhan_khalid | *-------------------------------------------* From Anthony at Baratta.com Thu Sep 5 20:13:01 2002 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Thu Sep 5 20:13:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Downloading files with a Mac In-Reply-To: <20020905234937.70870.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905181213.027469c0@baratta.com> At 04:49 PM 9/5/2002, CV wrote: >Thanks, my mistake when copying the code. I do have it >spelled correctly when a Mac is downloading but still >having problems. Are you force feeding the file to the browser? If so, you don't need the location header. Try it without it. -- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From lists at tntluoma.com Thu Sep 5 20:26:01 2002 From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma) Date: Thu Sep 5 20:26:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS Layout Help, O6+ Problem References: Message-ID: <3D780427.4000105@tntluoma.com> Brian W. Reaves wrote: > The bottom navigation div is shifted to the right a couple of pixels. Go to: > http://www.beachrentalvacations.com/index.php I am using Op6+ on WIN2K. Really? I checked it in IE6, Op6 and Moz1.1 and I can't really see a difference. > I have stripped almost all the CSS in an attempt to find this problem, still > no luck. Please advise... Opera tends to have padding on the body or html... try setting those to zero and see if it helps. TjL -- 30 Days to becoming an Opera Lover http://www.tntluoma.com/opera/lover/ Day 10: Finger Clicking Good! http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/day10-fingerclickinggood/ From clive at designshift.com Fri Sep 6 01:35:03 2002 From: clive at designshift.com (Clive R Sweeney) Date: Fri Sep 6 01:35:03 2002 Subject: [thelist] Content Management and CSS/XHTML Message-ID: I've subcontracted to create most of a substantial new site (c. 200 pages). I have my templates set up now so that they use valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional (but still with table-based layout) and it all seems to be working in major browsers. My main concern is in the "content area" of each page. I've set it up to be very easy to edit -- just

,

,

,

,
    ,
  • , and so on. No extra styles/classes except to format alternate rows in data tables. So far, so good, I'm thinking. The problem is that the company I've subcontracted with also agreed to implement a commercial Content Management System whereby users could create content in Word or a variety of other programs and upload the content to the site. Now I know the changes can be limited to specified areas of a page, but I'm afraid of how the content will be coded. None of us have seen the CMS yet (RPM from Reedy Creek Technologies -- http://www.reedycreek.com/) so I'm imagining the worst -- tags everywhere. There's no mention of this issue or any reference to CSS anywhere on the Reedy Creek website, but when I View Source on their site, there are dozens of font tags, long lines of " ", etc. What do you think? Trouble in River City? ... clive From developer at lazor.net Fri Sep 6 01:35:09 2002 From: developer at lazor.net (developer at lazor.net) Date: Fri Sep 6 01:35:09 2002 Subject: [thelist] Mac Webservers In-Reply-To: <17815364276.20020905201714@members.evolt.org> References: <17815364276.20020905201714@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200209052242340889.000C6D9B@mail.lazor.net> Burhan, I used to work for a company that used Mac servers a few years ago. Check out WebTen (www.tenon.com/products/webten/), which more or less brings Apache to Mac OS 9.x and below. PHP will run on OS X but AFAIK there is no way to run it on OS 9 (I don't claim to be a Mac guru though and am probably wrong). From list01 at theparagon.org Fri Sep 6 01:35:34 2002 From: list01 at theparagon.org ({ schaapy }) Date: Fri Sep 6 01:35:34 2002 Subject: [thelist] PHP comments list Message-ID: <00ed01c2555d$42601db0$6401a8c0@schaapy> Just real quick................ Does anyone have, or know where I can get, a simple PHP comment script. Something similar to how moveabletype or greymatter allows you to put on the bottom of your posts. Also it can't use a DB. ----------------------- Aaron Schaap www.theparagon.org From carole at pixeltable.com Fri Sep 6 01:36:17 2002 From: carole at pixeltable.com (carole guevin) Date: Fri Sep 6 01:36:17 2002 Subject: [thelist] Hi res images for print In-Reply-To: <20020905112033.P2903-100000@www.nationalispgroup.com> Message-ID: try also inertia stock.xchang - http://stock.d2.hu .c ...new media culture_magazine + portal + http://netdiver.net ..communication design + http://pixeltable.com From framar at interlog.com Fri Sep 6 01:36:47 2002 From: framar at interlog.com (Frank) Date: Fri Sep 6 01:36:47 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion Message-ID: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> I write my apps to be very modular and portable. Frequently, there are bits of common information to be shared among the apps, such as company info, addresses, contact information, etc., or perhaps some small bits of configuration information. Which in your opinion is the better choice: 1) A cached query 2) Setting the query to a struct in the application scope 3) Neither one has a significant overall advantage (performance/memory/elegance) over the other 4) An alternate choice -- Frank Marion, framar at interlog.com From rob_goodyear at yahoo.com Fri Sep 6 01:37:26 2002 From: rob_goodyear at yahoo.com (Robert Goodyear) Date: Fri Sep 6 01:37:26 2002 Subject: [thelist] subscribe thelist Message-ID: <20020906061012.29755.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From peter at duo.be Fri Sep 6 02:07:01 2002 From: peter at duo.be (Peter Duchateau) Date: Fri Sep 6 02:07:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Force browser to download file Message-ID: Is it possible to force a browser to download a file in stead of opening it? E.g. Word of PDF files ? From davidu at everydns.net Fri Sep 6 02:42:04 2002 From: davidu at everydns.net (David U.) Date: Fri Sep 6 02:42:04 2002 Subject: [thelist] Force browser to download file References: Message-ID: <000b01c25578$ce0b51c0$2532fc80@pravda> Peter Duchateau wrote: > Is it possible to force a browser to download a file in stead of > opening it? E.g. Word of PDF files ? google for "application/octet-stream" and "php" or "perl" or whatever your language of choice is. -davidu From web2k2 at premonition.co.uk Fri Sep 6 03:51:01 2002 From: web2k2 at premonition.co.uk (Geoff Sheridan) Date: Fri Sep 6 03:51:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Mac Webservers In-Reply-To: <17815364276.20020905201714@members.evolt.org> References: <17815364276.20020905201714@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: >I was wondering if there were any webservers available for Mac OS > 9? Also, is there a way to get PHP/Perl working on Mac OS9? You can run perl: http://www.macperl.com Dunno about PHP, but you are aware this is installed (but not enabled) by default on Mac OSX? In fact Mac OSX has Apache up and running on a standard install. Perhaps you'll have more luck persuading them to go for an X mac, which makes an excellent development platform. An X mac can plug into a OS9 AppleTalk network 'like that' . > Unfortunately for me, this is the platform I am forced to use > (the site backend that I am designing is for a newspaper), and > I am using PowerPC Macs (OS ver 9) as my dev. platform/production > platform. I also develop on OS9, but I use my ISPs Red Hat linux servers to run PHP etc. With a good dial-up / ADSL this is quick and easy. I use the excellent Interarchy FTP client. > > As a last resort, I am hoping to convince the client to release > on of their Macs, on which I plan to load Linux (YellowDog) and > go from there. I'd rather not have to go this route. Release one of their macs, install OSX! > > On a side note, for someone not too familiar with Macs, is there > a way to do a shift+arrow key (which highlights text in the > direction of the arrow in Windows) behavior in Macs? Works on a mac, depending on what program you're using. I'm writing this in Eudora, and it sure as hell works here. It also works in BBEdit, which is a *FANTASTIC* text/html/perl/php/etc editor. If you are doing serious development, it's paltry ?100 price tag will pay for itself very quickly. http://www.barebones.com What doesn't it work in? >Finally, I > can't seem to find an "End" key on a Mac keyboard. Do I need to > change keyboards, or is that key not implemented? A certain number of macs, including my G4 :( were shipped with iMac keyboards lacking many buttons. I'm not sure about the 'end' button (what's one of those?) but I do miss my F13-F15 buttons like a long lost brother. We'll make a Mac convert of you yet :) Geoff From webdev at mountain.ch Fri Sep 6 06:08:01 2002 From: webdev at mountain.ch (Mark Howells) Date: Fri Sep 6 06:08:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Mac Webservers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> Finally, I >> can't seem to find an "End" key on a Mac keyboard. Do I need to >> change keyboards, or is that key not implemented? Page top: Shift + alt + arrow (pointing top left) Page end: Shift + alt + arrow (pointing bottom right) Regards Mark Howells AIM: mhoaim From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Fri Sep 6 06:43:01 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Fri Sep 6 06:43:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE5Mac horizontal scrollbar bug solved Message-ID: >I worked a little on the same problem, and came up with a useful css >hack to target a rule just at MacIE5. This was in connection to some >problems I was having with scrolly divs - block elements set with >overflow: auto; > >see: >http://sam-i-am.com/work/css/index.html >and >http://www.sam-i-am.com/testsuite/css/mac_ie5_hack.html >for the commented backslash hack. That is very interesting. I saw it somewhere before (I assume you posted this to the list when you discovered it) but I'd forgotten. Thanks for the reminder. >I never did solve the problem of the cropped content and scrolly divs >(where the content is hidden but still apparently present - forcing >scrollbars where none appear necessary) No, it's a very difficult bug. But I declared Holy War on unwanted IE5Mac scrollbars, so I hope I'll find a solution. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From chris at webbtech.co.uk Fri Sep 6 08:00:02 2002 From: chris at webbtech.co.uk (Chris Marsh) Date: Fri Sep 6 08:00:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] XML hierarchical menu In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020904204408.02293e50@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <000001c255a6$59e272a0$1e00a8c0@webbtech.co.uk> Dear all Specific questions are at the bottom of the post, after all explanations. I am producing an ASP class that generates a vertical navigation bar. Some of the links have sub-sections, and sub-sub-sections. An example would be:
    • Link 1
    • Link 2
      • Sub-link 1
    I want to pull the information for the links from an XML document. An example would be: Home News Expertise Consultancy I figured that the way to go about formatting this XML into the menu system would be something like this (pseudo-code): Function FormatLink(Value) Format into valid HTML End Function Function GetNextLevel(Root_Position) Get collection of nodes 1 level down from Root_Position For I = 0 To Len(collection of nodes) GetNextLevel = GetNextLevel & FormatLink(node(i).Text) If node(i) has child nodes strSubLevel = GetNextLevel(node(i)) GetNextLevel = GetNextLevel & strSubLevel End If Next End Function Function CreateMenu() Load XMLdoc CreateMenu = GetNextLevel(Root_Position) End Function My questions are as follows: 1) Does this seem a logical way to go about creating what I want? 2) If the answer to (1) is "yes", does anyone know of an online class reference giving me the methods etc. to achieve this? I have googled and MS'd already, but haven't been able to locate an exhaustive reference. Many thanks in advance Chris Marsh From mbarrett at triad.rr.com Fri Sep 6 08:34:00 2002 From: mbarrett at triad.rr.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Fri Sep 6 08:34:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Mac Webservers In-Reply-To: <17815364276.20020905201714@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: Other folks have already mentioned that Mac OS X ships with PHP installed, but not enabled. The same is also true for the MySQL database server. If you are not interested in mucking about the command line too much to get these things enabled.. Or if you just like the double-clickable Mac-method of doing things.. Take a look at: http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/ Marc Liyanage has put together installers for PHP, MySQL, mod-ssl, and many other goodies for Mac OS X. He has comprehensive instructions and will actually respond to email questions. -- Michael Barrett -O^O- - mbarrett at triad.rr.com From edc at wnc.quik.co.nz Fri Sep 6 08:53:01 2002 From: edc at wnc.quik.co.nz (michael ensor) Date: Fri Sep 6 08:53:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Force browser to download file References: <000b01c25578$ce0b51c0$2532fc80@pravda> Message-ID: <001501c255ac$b99cebc0$346237d2@oemcomputer> Usually I bite my tongue before saying anything on this list, but: If I visited any site that "forced" my browser to download a WORD file I would publish that to the world as a site to be avoided at all costs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David U." To: Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Force browser to download file > Peter Duchateau wrote: > > Is it possible to force a browser to download a file in stead of > > opening it? E.g. Word of PDF files ? > > google for "application/octet-stream" and "php" or "perl" or whatever your > language of choice is. > > -davidu > > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 4/09/02 From webguy at mail.rit.edu Fri Sep 6 08:59:01 2002 From: webguy at mail.rit.edu (Chris Blessing) Date: Fri Sep 6 08:59:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Force browser to download file In-Reply-To: <001501c255ac$b99cebc0$346237d2@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Usually forced file downloads are reserved for direct requests to download a file (a la tucows, download.com, etc.) or for an intranet type setup. But you already knew that! :) Chris Blessing webguy at mail.rit.edu http://www.330i.net > Usually I bite my tongue before saying anything on this list, but: > If I visited any site that "forced" my browser to download a WORD file I > would publish that to the world as a site to be avoided at all costs. From simplecypher at bitshift.ws Fri Sep 6 09:39:00 2002 From: simplecypher at bitshift.ws (::kevination::) Date: Fri Sep 6 09:39:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Force browser to download file References: <000b01c25578$ce0b51c0$2532fc80@pravda> <001501c255ac$b99cebc0$346237d2@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D78BE6D.1040104@bitshift.ws> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 michael ensor wrote: > Usually I bite my tongue before saying anything on this list, but: > If I visited any site that "forced" my browser to download a WORD file I > would publish that to the world as a site to be avoided at all costs. > Depends entirely on: 1) Who is using the site 2) What goal the the person is trying to achieve 3) How the task is presented There are plenty of hypotheticals that can be presented in which initiating a download may preferable to viewing a document inside the browser. There may also be situations in which giving the person a choice is the better than forcing an immediate view or immediate download. - - View Now? - - Download for later? What amazes me is that so many sites just do one of the above rather than offer a choice. - -- - --- kevin D. white email, simplecypher at bitshift.ws im, simplecypher - --- - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iQIVAwUBPXi+be4zpFgPJZelAQLSCg//cte9qYBwaQTj5SyzXIo8zBJ9jGE1y98o LIoGTV6REXIGX1U/RPxIVq4QadMDJ0fmn4e+VH/3CHSeuNQgufuLhCaqZCq7JXt/ A7tmP8M/Cul9TLepGYXJffbPosybmHk4L38X3Yi4REn7uNyA77c2UY4vFp17VRLB HJ0g6Pp6dQlbCaVkams2JFEkHHWbQfq8pSnzxVl6oLu9I/C1WF3b7k/PR6Nn0J0+ ekkcpSE1VIMeInm3+7FcFGr8LMWH9t3/RKjLdpipG4+77wXd5DJEZXDA4+N1WzYb VcGJmE24Z2BgdiUOdOckn/COBitkQHOrSDWvMikgv5B389kze5XRtjIKokKi2y1f lX9kloBqqddiEMXloCMDddD7G56NSiQyHQg6vzfMuNdxuwe22p3xskE6K6JZ133a I95NQLoBCRKy6P8nq6plVXz5Agp2FbbM7Px3zq8qZO4ap+Wv/wekE35Hnic3wE8Z c9PRxhdKagJWf++kRK2tdIvk6djQvY/S/7DXma5CTBSiiVikBTV2YAAahjtcQq31 D+1nHo+lXXeeY5etKJ1lF0QdqZKKwV68SbkXKz7DwIg98sVtZGYjPbUnvNFytCTn 8zKdXTqpIAm8AQyGRbWm77aOw/oiR6AYc7AsPYZB9RxB7w298Me6De8+hJ22TwkG bp7iefEIh34= =LsXU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aaron at youngpup.net Fri Sep 6 09:47:01 2002 From: aaron at youngpup.net (Aaron Boodman) Date: Fri Sep 6 09:47:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] XML hierarchical menu References: <000001c255a6$59e272a0$1e00a8c0@webbtech.co.uk> Message-ID: <000a01c255cc$e59d0f00$430aa8c0@youngpup1> > 1) Does this seem a logical way to go about creating what I want? Well, it would work. Probably not the most efficient or maintainable way. More on that later. > does anyone know of an online class > reference giving me the methods etc. to achieve this? I have googled and > MS'd already, but haven't been able to locate an exhaustive reference. you're looking for the msxml sdk (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xmlsdk/htm/sdk_intro_6g53.asp) which can also be downloaded as a handy windows help file. one thing you may want to look into (depending on how much time you have) is to do this with XSLT (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xmlsdk/htm/xsl_ref_overview_1vad.as p). It's alot easier to code, debug, and read. Plus it's cool. You want to be cool, don't you? Good luck. -- Aaron Boodman aaron | www @ youngpup.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Marsh" To: Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: [thelist] XML hierarchical menu > Dear all > > Specific questions are at the bottom of the post, after all > explanations. > > I am producing an ASP class that generates a vertical navigation bar. > Some of the links have sub-sections, and sub-sub-sections. An example > would be: > >
      >
    • > Link 1 >
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    • > Link 2 >
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      • > Sub-link 1 >
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    > > I want to pull the information for the links from an XML document. An > example would be: > > > > > Home > > > News > > > Expertise > > Consultancy > > > > > I figured that the way to go about formatting this XML into the menu > system would be something like this (pseudo-code): > > Function FormatLink(Value) > Format into valid HTML > End Function > > Function GetNextLevel(Root_Position) > Get collection of nodes 1 level down from Root_Position > For I = 0 To Len(collection of nodes) > GetNextLevel = GetNextLevel & FormatLink(node(i).Text) > If node(i) has child nodes > strSubLevel = GetNextLevel(node(i)) > GetNextLevel = GetNextLevel & strSubLevel > End If > Next > End Function > > Function CreateMenu() > Load XMLdoc > CreateMenu = GetNextLevel(Root_Position) > End Function > > My questions are as follows: > > 1) Does this seem a logical way to go about creating what I want? > > 2) If the answer to (1) is "yes", does anyone know of an online class > reference giving me the methods etc. to achieve this? I have googled and > MS'd already, but haven't been able to locate an exhaustive reference. > > Many thanks in advance > > Chris Marsh > > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From morgan at morgankelsey.com Fri Sep 6 09:48:01 2002 From: morgan at morgankelsey.com (Morgan Kelsey) Date: Fri Sep 6 09:48:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion References: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> Message-ID: <002e01c255b4$4a32e980$6401a8c0@fathahines> frank, > > I write my apps to be very modular and portable. Frequently, > there are bits of common information to be shared among the > apps, such as company info, addresses, contact information, > etc., or perhaps some small bits of configuration > information. > > Which in your opinion is the better choice: > > 1) A cached query > > 2) Setting the query to a struct in the application scope > > 3) Neither one has a significant overall advantage > (performance/memory/elegance) over the other > > 4) An alternate choice > well, in 1 vs. 2 i'd lean toward #1, simnply because i hate cflocking all the time, which is still recommended for application scope variables.... i think performance differences would be miniscule. but for static data like company info that's not likely to change -- a certain, notorious, cf-evolter has gotten me into putting these sorts of things into local structures, in the Application.cfm template. something like: app = StructNew(); app.rootpath = 'c:\foo\bar\'; app.imgfolder = '/img/'; app.contact =StructNew(); app.contact.address1 = 'street address'; app.contact.city = 'yourtown'; app.contact.state = 'yourstate'; app.contact.email = 'email at comapny.com'; app.contact.phone = '(212)-555-1212'; // etc etc etc you may be surprised how fast a *huge* statically declared structure will execute. i have some real whoppers of application.cfm templates, that execute in 10-15ms, even though they're declared on every page request. and now, you dont have to lock, or hit the db, or any of that yucky stuff. my 2 cents, nagrom From brian at brianreaves.com Fri Sep 6 09:57:01 2002 From: brian at brianreaves.com (Brian W. Reaves) Date: Fri Sep 6 09:57:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE5Mac horizontal scrollbar bug solved Message-ID: See http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/ie5mac/margin.html for the full story and the solution. While going through your explanation using Op6+ on Win2K, ?Test #2? solution: margin-right: -15px; margin-bottom: -15px; added the 15 pixels to the right and bottom of the open window as white space. I personally think this is better than unneeded scroll bars, but like you mentioned in the final paragraph, this can cause problems in a tight situation. Surf on, B. From edc at wnc.quik.co.nz Fri Sep 6 10:14:01 2002 From: edc at wnc.quik.co.nz (michael ensor) Date: Fri Sep 6 10:14:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Force browser to download file References: Message-ID: <000801c255b7$fb392e80$0d6237d2@oemcomputer> I cannot bite my tongue again, it would sever it completely but: I read the query as "force the current user agent to download this file." Anyway thanks for the gentle remonstrance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 4/09/02 From brian at brianreaves.com Fri Sep 6 10:22:02 2002 From: brian at brianreaves.com (Brian W. Reaves) Date: Fri Sep 6 10:22:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS Layout Help, O6+ Problem Message-ID: Really? I checked it in IE6, Op6 and Moz1.1 and I can't really see a difference. TjL, Interesting, on the right edge of the table, the cell with ?Home | Search | Login | Contact Us? extends beyond the outside edge about 1 or 2 pixels. On my machine; If I make the cell extend the full row using colspan=?2?, it does not do it. Other browsers display as I want on Win2k. I know the CSS properties are customizable in the O6+ preferences; maybe I have something screwy in mine. How do you have yours set? TIA, B. From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Fri Sep 6 10:31:00 2002 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Fri Sep 6 10:31:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] IE5Mac horizontal scrollbar bug solved Message-ID: > >See http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/ie5mac/margin.html for the full story and >the solution. > > >While going through your explanation using Op6+ on Win2K, ?Test #2? >solution: > >margin-right: -15px; >margin-bottom: -15px; > >added the 15 pixels to the right and bottom of the open window as white >space. I personally think this is better than unneeded scroll bars, but >like you mentioned in the final paragraph, this can cause problems in a >tight situation. That's because Opera always leaves a space for the scrollbars, in which no elements will be placed. All my example pages have a right and bottom margin of about one scrollbar's width/height. ppk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From chris at webbtech.co.uk Fri Sep 6 10:47:00 2002 From: chris at webbtech.co.uk (Chris Marsh) Date: Fri Sep 6 10:47:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] XML hierarchical menu In-Reply-To: <000a01c255cc$e59d0f00$430aa8c0@youngpup1> Message-ID: <000001c255be$56af6e40$1e00a8c0@webbtech.co.uk> [..] > > does anyone know of an online class > > reference giving me the methods etc. to achieve this? I > have googled > > and MS'd already, but haven't been able to locate an exhaustive > > reference. > > you're looking for the msxml sdk > (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xmlsdk/htm/sdk_intro_ > 6g53.asp) > which can also be downloaded as a handy windows help file. I found this after posting:) Thanks for the help, though. > one thing you may want to look into (depending on how much > time you have) is to do this with XSLT > (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xmlsdk/htm/xsl_ref_ov > erview_1vad.as > p). It's alot easier to code, debug, and read. Plus it's > cool. You want to be cool, don't you? Oh how I wish I was cool... The problem that I always encounter with XML is the time factor. I often know that the best way to achieve a task is to use XML/XSL, but because of deadlines I never have the time to sit down and learn the technology. This time I've come to a compromise. I'm using valid XML documents for the data, but using the FileSystemObject to process and format it. I figure that I can recode the application side of things when I've got more time to learn XML/XSL thoroughly. Cool I may not be (yet), but I'm still supposed to be going out tonight :) Thanks for the help. Regards Chris Marsh From joshua at waetech.com Fri Sep 6 10:55:01 2002 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Sep 6 10:55:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion References: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> <002e01c255b4$4a32e980$6401a8c0@fathahines> Message-ID: <164201c255bd$a4cb1df0$0200a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morgan Kelsey" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:47 AM > but for static data like company info that's not likely to change -- a > certain, notorious, cf-evolter has gotten me into putting these sorts of > things into local structures, in the Application.cfm template. > something like: > > > app = StructNew(); > ... While I agree with the above statement (I know the notorious cf-evolter as well), I do not necessarily agree that it should be in the application.cfm file. Perhaps a better option would be to put the declaration in its own file and include that file into application.cfm with a cfinclude. The primary reason being that you could then recreate the included file (let's call it, properties.cfm) without having to worry about wading through application.cfm, which might also do some other functions. If you have a query from the database that you want to save, you could dynamically generate the entire properties.cfm file without too much effort. -joshua From edc at wnc.quik.co.nz Fri Sep 6 10:58:01 2002 From: edc at wnc.quik.co.nz (michael ensor) Date: Fri Sep 6 10:58:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Force browser to download file References: <000b01c25578$ce0b51c0$2532fc80@pravda> <001501c255ac$b99cebc0$346237d2@oemcomputer> <3D78BE6D.1040104@bitshift.ws> Message-ID: <000301c255be$29b88160$a36237d2@oemcomputer> Kevin, I personally get very annoyed if I go to a site on the basis of the search engine or a 'blurb' that I have come across, and then find that I cannot access the information on the site BUT have to download a PDF document . which in turn is tedious to page through and deal with. As to MS Word, I will never download anything off the web which contains anything from MS word = BASIC SECURITY [ sorry for shouting ] Yes I totally agree with what you say, but maybe I misinterpreted the original use of the word 'force'. >From the tenor of the question and the reference to "Word" I had assumed that the original query was not about an offer but something like an onload event Well it will not be the first time I have something wrong from this time zone ( GMT +12.00 hours) AND: yes I know there are more than the two examples you gave. I am afraid to think about them, I might mention them one day to some marketing idiot who will take them as the latest and greatest. PS: Cannot wait for CSS2 to be more supported --- Original Message ----- From: "::kevination::" To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [thelist] Force browser to download file > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > michael ensor wrote: > > Usually I bite my tongue before saying anything on this list, but: > > If I visited any site that "forced" my browser to download a WORD file I > > would publish that to the world as a site to be avoided at all costs. > > > > Depends entirely on: > > 1) Who is using the site > 2) What goal the the person is trying to achieve > 3) How the task is presented > > There are plenty of hypotheticals that can be presented in which > initiating a download may preferable to viewing a document inside the > browser. There may also be situations in which giving the person a > choice is the better than forcing an immediate view or immediate download. > > - - View Now? > - - Download for later? > > What amazes me is that so many sites just do one of the above rather > than offer a choice. > > > - -- > - --- > kevin D. white > email, simplecypher at bitshift.ws > im, simplecypher > - --- > - -- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) > > iQIVAwUBPXi+be4zpFgPJZelAQLSCg//cte9qYBwaQTj5SyzXIo8zBJ9jGE1y98o > LIoGTV6REXIGX1U/RPxIVq4QadMDJ0fmn4e+VH/3CHSeuNQgufuLhCaqZCq7JXt/ > A7tmP8M/Cul9TLepGYXJffbPosybmHk4L38X3Yi4REn7uNyA77c2UY4vFp17VRLB > HJ0g6Pp6dQlbCaVkams2JFEkHHWbQfq8pSnzxVl6oLu9I/C1WF3b7k/PR6Nn0J0+ > ekkcpSE1VIMeInm3+7FcFGr8LMWH9t3/RKjLdpipG4+77wXd5DJEZXDA4+N1WzYb > VcGJmE24Z2BgdiUOdOckn/COBitkQHOrSDWvMikgv5B389kze5XRtjIKokKi2y1f > lX9kloBqqddiEMXloCMDddD7G56NSiQyHQg6vzfMuNdxuwe22p3xskE6K6JZ133a > I95NQLoBCRKy6P8nq6plVXz5Agp2FbbM7Px3zq8qZO4ap+Wv/wekE35Hnic3wE8Z > c9PRxhdKagJWf++kRK2tdIvk6djQvY/S/7DXma5CTBSiiVikBTV2YAAahjtcQq31 > D+1nHo+lXXeeY5etKJ1lF0QdqZKKwV68SbkXKz7DwIg98sVtZGYjPbUnvNFytCTn > 8zKdXTqpIAm8AQyGRbWm77aOw/oiR6AYc7AsPYZB9RxB7w298Me6De8+hJ22TwkG > bp7iefEIh34= > =LsXU > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 4/09/02 From SCaudill at municode.com Fri Sep 6 11:03:02 2002 From: SCaudill at municode.com (Stephen Caudill) Date: Fri Sep 6 11:03:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] NS 7, Mozilla problem Message-ID: Thanks for the detailed reply Peter. I have been doing some investigating along those lines and came up with an article on netscape evangilism: http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/img-table/ which suggested setting the vertical-align:bottom and display:block in CSS, to no avail. I removed the doctype and that didnt help either. The two javaScript includes fpi-writevb.js and fpi-main.js are actually there. They are components of the mook flash api and unrelated to the problem. I took your advice and submitted the problem to the macromedia forums, so hopefully that will turn up something. This was primarily just an update, but if anyone has any experience with problems with the fireworks code for popups in Mozilla based browsers, I would appreciate the insight. Here's the link: http://www.mccimaging.com thanks, Stephen Caudill Web Designer Municipal Code Corporation www.municode.com www.mccimaging.com ppk wrote: ----------> The problem is in Dreamweaver MM_JunkCode() stuff, so I suppose you'll have to ask on a Dreamweaver list. The problem is here, all right (Moz 1.1 Win2000). The files fpi-writevb.js and fpi-main.js do not exist, so the SCRIPT includes don't work. I don't think it has anything to do with the problem, but it might. Otherwise the code is just too bloody complicated, spotting the error may take days. I *think* that the style for the mouseovered links is wrong: it contains far too much padding. Try removing the doctype and see if that helps. Check the normal and mouseover styles of the links and see if border+padding is always the same. I once had a similar problem because of a 1px border that slightly moved the element, giving a very ugly effect. Decreasing the padding by 1px at the same time removed the problem. ppk From burhankhalid at members.evolt.org Fri Sep 6 11:26:01 2002 From: burhankhalid at members.evolt.org (Burhan) Date: Fri Sep 6 11:26:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Mac Webservers In-Reply-To: References: <17815364276.20020905201714@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <1591496664.20020906113316@members.evolt.org> Hello Geoff, Friday, September 6, 2002, 3:49:31 AM, you wrote: >> As a last resort, I am hoping to convince the client to release >> on of their Macs, on which I plan to load Linux (YellowDog) and >> go from there. I'd rather not have to go this route. GS> Release one of their macs, install OSX! As you all probably guessed, I'm not a Mac expert. I really appreciate all your comments, and I might be tapping some people to answer (what I am sure) will be a lot of Mac questions. I was perusing the the apple website, and came across Darwin. According to the site : What is Darwin? Darwin is the core of Mac OS X. The Darwin kernel is based on FreeBSD and Mach 3.0 technologies and provides protected memory and pre-emptive multitasking. Darwin runs on PowerPC-based Macintosh computers and a version is also available for x86-compatible computers. Has anyone tried this? Since I am working for a educational institution that doesn't profit from the website, I am thinking open source -- for one, it saves money -- and personally, I like the whole open source concept and support it anyway I can. I'd rather not have to deal with the red tape that comes with dealing with a university -- especially when it comes to releasing funds ($129 for OS X 10.2). It is going to take a proposal just to get them to enable Perl on the newspaper's web account (*sigh*) and I can only imagine the circus acts I will have to perform to get them to but a copy of OS X. Thanks again for all your suggestions. -- *---------------* | Burhan Khalid | *---------------*---------------------------* | Email : burhankhalid[at]members.evolt.org | | Web : members.evolt.org/burhankhalid | | ICQ : 6016166 | | AIM : digitz0819 | | MSN : burhankh[at]hotmail.com | | Yahoo : burhan_khalid | *-------------------------------------------* From seyon at delime.com Fri Sep 6 11:48:01 2002 From: seyon at delime.com (Marc Seyon) Date: Fri Sep 6 11:48:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] cookies in Perl Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020906124344.021d0208@mail.delime.com> Guys, Colleague of mine is a bit stumped and I thought I'd ask the list for some help. He's trying to set a cookie in perl, using this approach $cookie_jar->set_cookie($version, $key, $val, $path, $domain, $port, $path_spec, $secure, $maxage, $discard, \%rest) (referenced at http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/lib/HTTP/Cookies.html) But he doesn't know what the first three variables are about. That is, $version, $key and $val. All the documentation has to say is "The set_cookie() method updates the state of the $cookie_jar. The $key, $val, $domain, $port and $path arguments are strings. The $path_spec, $secure, $discard arguments are boolean values." Could anyone shed some light on this? Thanks. -marc From ajlist at mindseye.com Fri Sep 6 13:12:00 2002 From: ajlist at mindseye.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Fri Sep 6 13:12:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF Scheduler/Mail problems In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020905091756.00ad0b10@pop-server.houston.rr.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020905091756.00ad0b10@pop-server.houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <1031336386.1477.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Susan, Have you checked to make sure that CFExecutive is running on the machine that doesn't run the scheduled tasks? I'm pretty certain that CFExecutive (which usually runs as a service on WinNT) is service that handles the execution of scheduled tasks (ie: it pings cfserver everytime a scheduled task needs to be run). If that doesn't help, then you can use Windows Scheduled Tasks to execute the CFM script from the command line. HTH AJ On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 11:05, Susan Wallace wrote: > I am having a problem with the Scheduler in CF Server 5 Ent. (on NT) > > I have a scheduled task that should send an e-mail to each person in a > query result list. This works just fine if I run the task manually. It does > not run if I schedule it. > > I even setup a basic test page that was to send an e-mail to me through the > scheduler. It works if I run it manually, but if I wait for the scheduler > to do it, or if I click the "Run task now" icon in the scheduler, it does > not send the mail. > > I get a success message both on the screen and in the log, I have turned on > all logging to try and find this, nothing shows up except "200 success". I > monitored the SPOOL folder, the mail file is never created. > > I have two servers, basically identical. One of them will run the scheduled > task, including sending the e-mail, the other will not. I noticed that the > mail header identifies the CF Server as: CF 4.5.0, and in the Forums I saw > that someone claimed that Scheduler does not work properly with CFMAIL in > version 4.5 - but I am unable to verify that. > > I have tried all suggested tricks from the Forums - i.e. renaming the task. > resetting the time, deleting and recreating the task, all to no avail. I > did not see anything related in Tech Notes... Has anyone seen this before? > Any suggestions? I am wondering if re-installing the product would help... ? > > Thanks! > Susan Wallace > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From ajlist at mindseye.com Fri Sep 6 13:25:01 2002 From: ajlist at mindseye.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Fri Sep 6 13:25:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion In-Reply-To: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> References: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> Message-ID: <1031337176.1477.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Frank, > I write my apps to be very modular and portable. Frequently, > there are bits of common information to be shared among the > apps, such as company info, addresses, contact information, > etc., or perhaps some small bits of configuration > information. > > Which in your opinion is the better choice: > > 1) A cached query > > 2) Setting the query to a struct in the application scope > > 3) Neither one has a significant overall advantage > (performance/memory/elegance) over the other > > 4) An alternate choice -- personally, I use a struct in request scope. My configuration information is hierarchical, which makes it hard to store the information in a database (databases being inherently better at storing relational information) If/when you move to CFMX, IMHO you *could* use web.xml to store your configuration information, details here: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?id=19399 Advantage: a) web.xml, which lives in /WEB-INF/, is similiar to global.asa in ASP in that it is parsed on the first hit to the web app, which means that you're web app doesn't have to parse through a properties.cfm file everytime. b) it's XML! HTH AJ From susanhw at webcastle.com Fri Sep 6 13:26:00 2002 From: susanhw at webcastle.com (Susan Wallace) Date: Fri Sep 6 13:26:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF Scheduler/Mail problems In-Reply-To: <1031336386.1477.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020905091756.00ad0b10@pop-server.houston.rr.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020905091756.00ad0b10@pop-server.houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020906132719.03a37710@webcastle.com> >>Have you checked to make sure that CFExecutive is running on the machine that doesn't run the scheduled tasks? I didn't think about that - but yes, it is running. I even rebooted just to be certain that it was not hung, still no dice. Thanks for the tip though! >>If that doesn't help, then you can use Windows Scheduled Tasks to execute the CFM script from the command line. I saw something about that in the Forums, I will go back and pay more attention to it. I wish I could verify the issue somewhere in case it's not just me. Next step will be to call in a support ticket. Thanks for your suggestions! Susan From dougal at gunters.org Fri Sep 6 13:42:01 2002 From: dougal at gunters.org (Dougal Campbell) Date: Fri Sep 6 13:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] cookies in Perl In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020906124344.021d0208@mail.delime.com> Message-ID: <20020906131531.B2903-100000@www.nationalispgroup.com> On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Marc Seyon wrote: > Guys, > > Colleague of mine is a bit stumped and I thought I'd ask the list for some > help. He's trying to set a cookie in perl, using this approach > > $cookie_jar->set_cookie($version, $key, $val, $path, $domain, $port, > $path_spec, $secure, $maxage, $discard, \%rest) > > (referenced at http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/lib/HTTP/Cookies.html) > > But he doesn't know what the first three variables are about. That is, > $version, $key and $val. Check the RFC mentioned: It looks like $version only applies to the Cookie2 spec (you probably want $version=1), and $key and $val are the name and value for your cookie. Standard usage would probably be something like: ## Not sure about the 'hide_cookie2' bit.... $cookie_jar = HTTP::Cookies->new(hide_cookie2 => 1); $cookie_jar->set_cookie( 1, # version 'username', # key 'joe', # value '', # path 'www.example.com', # domain '80', # port 0, # path_spec 0, # secure 3600, # maxage 0, # discard {} # rest ); Just a guess.... -- Ernest MacDougal Campbell III, MCP+I, MCSE http://dougal.gunters.org/ http://spam.gunters.org/ Web Design & Development: http://www.mentalcollective.com/ This message is guaranteed to be 100% eror frea! From evolt at david.us-lot.org Fri Sep 6 14:08:01 2002 From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward) Date: Fri Sep 6 14:08:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Force browser to download file In-Reply-To: <3D78BE6D.1040104@bitshift.ws> References: <000b01c25578$ce0b51c0$2532fc80@pravda> <001501c255ac$b99cebc0$346237d2@oemcomputer> <3D78BE6D.1040104@bitshift.ws> Message-ID: <20020906191018.GA2747@us-lot.org> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 08:40:45AM -0600, ::kevination:: wrote: > There are plenty of hypotheticals that can be presented in which > initiating a download may preferable to viewing a document inside the > browser. There may also be situations in which giving the person a > choice is the better than forcing an immediate view or immediate download. > > - - View Now? > - - Download for later? Neither of which the site is actually doing, the two options are --- report that the file is an MS Word file (or whatever it really is) --- report that the file is a collection of bytes in an unknown format If the former then it is up to the configuration of the user's browser as to how the file is handled. If the latter then the user is forced to manually deal with it, rather then using the default that the user has already set. -- David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/ HTML email is a bit like using coloured paper and glitter ink on a CV. From slewis at macrovista.net Fri Sep 6 14:08:16 2002 From: slewis at macrovista.net (Steve Lewis) Date: Fri Sep 6 14:08:16 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion References: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> <002e01c255b4$4a32e980$6401a8c0@fathahines> <164201c255bd$a4cb1df0$0200a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <3D78FE92.9010707@macrovista.net> Joshua Olson wrote: > While I agree with the above statement (I know the notorious cf-evolter as > well), I do not necessarily agree that it should be in the application.cfm > file. Perhaps a better option would be to put the declaration in its own > file and include that file into application.cfm with a cfinclude. The I have a separate directory which contains a set of these files, included from the application.cfm, which are used for rebranding, identifying the server's https hostname, and things like that. Given that, I agree that puting these variables in a request/local scoped struct unless you use CFML, in which case you would probably be well served to store the struct in an XML file and include it from there. -- Steve From framar at interlog.com Fri Sep 6 15:20:00 2002 From: framar at interlog.com (Frank) Date: Fri Sep 6 15:20:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion In-Reply-To: <002e01c255b4$4a32e980$6401a8c0@fathahines> References: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> <002e01c255b4$4a32e980$6401a8c0@fathahines> Message-ID: <71167018549.20020906161949@interlog.com> Friday, September 6, 2002, 10:47:12 AM, you wrote: > and now, you dont have to lock, or hit the db, or any of that yucky stuff. I thought as much. One of the reasons however that I must use the database is because the variables are changeable by the client. (What, for example do they do when they change their phone number, or decide that they want to see more than 10 results per list, etc...) So far I have been caching queries, and setting them to structs, or plain old app.variables. > app.rootpath = 'c:\foo\bar\'; > app.imgfolder = '/img/'; This sort of thing I'm already doing. I find it interesting how in the long run, that many people choose the same methodologies. Guess we find the best solution according to the nature of the tool. As always, I appreciate your opinion. [Tangent] Evolt has been one of the most useful, and productive tools I've found in my years as a web-developer. It's such a pleasure to speak with peers, when as a freelancer, I know very few in my industry. It probably never gets said enough: Thank you everyone! -- Frank Marion, framar at interlog.com From ajlist at mindseye.com Fri Sep 6 15:40:01 2002 From: ajlist at mindseye.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Fri Sep 6 15:40:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion In-Reply-To: <71167018549.20020906161949@interlog.com> References: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> <002e01c255b4$4a32e980$6401a8c0@fathahines> <71167018549.20020906161949@interlog.com> Message-ID: <1031345252.1477.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> > This sort of thing I'm already doing. I find it interesting > how in the long run, that many people choose the same > methodologies. Guess we find the best solution according to > the nature of the tool. -- *cough*.. 'design patterns': http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=design+patterns I picked up the book that is supposed to be (from what I've heard) the authority on Design Patterns on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201633612/) a couple days ago. It's abstract, and much of it may not apply to your work if spend your time as a designer (meaning interface, not software), but fascinating. So you're right on Frank, in the long run, software developers commonly use the same principles/solutions to solve problems. The faster we come to the realization that the problems we face on a daily basis have been solved umpteen times by others, the faster we can get our own work done by not trying to recreate the wheel. Evolt is a wonderful process (of many) by which many of us find those solutions. AJ From joshua at waetech.com Fri Sep 6 16:12:01 2002 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Sep 6 16:12:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion References: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> <002e01c255b4$4a32e980$6401a8c0@fathahines> <71167018549.20020906161949@interlog.com> Message-ID: <16cd01c255e9$e22f0b30$0200a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:19 PM > I thought as much. One of the reasons however that I must > use the database is because the variables are changeable by > the client. (What, for example do they do when they change > their phone number, or decide that they want to see more > than 10 results per list, etc...) This is not a problem and is EXACTLY why I suggested that the plethora of s or script blocks appear in an external file. Once they update the company profile, simply regenerate the file with the new settings. -joshua From gcarlson at imbris.net Fri Sep 6 16:13:01 2002 From: gcarlson at imbris.net (Gary Carlson) Date: Fri Sep 6 16:13:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Mac Webservers Message-ID: >I was wondering if there were any webservers available for Mac OS > 9? http://www.webstar.com/ -- Gary Carlson mailto:gcarlson at imbris.net From java_fella at yahoo.com Fri Sep 6 16:44:01 2002 From: java_fella at yahoo.com (Thomas Granger - TK - Filter) Date: Fri Sep 6 16:44:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Getting the US date using VBScript.... In-Reply-To: <20020906160058.E868D3A65@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <20020906214335.87994.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Evening All! I need to be able to get the US format date in client side script on a non us client with VB Scrip. The VB function I am trying to use is GetDate, but it is returning the locale date and I need it to return the US date. (talking about format) I've searched for some examples...but just cannot figure out how to compare two dates and force it to return it as one single format, English/US date format. Thoughts? Clever ways of doing this client-side? Thanks, Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From cparker at swatgear.com Fri Sep 6 16:50:01 2002 From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker) Date: Fri Sep 6 16:50:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Getting the US date using VBScript.... Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE033099@ati-ex-01.ati.local> > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Granger - TK - Filter [mailto:java_fella at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:44 PM > I need to be able to get the US format date in client > side script on a non us client with VB Scrip. > Thoughts? Clever ways of doing this client-side? you could get the day, month, and year separately and then parse them together in whatever format you want. txtDay = Day(Date()) txtMonth = Month(Date()) txtYear = Year(Date()) myDate = txtMonth & "/" & txtDay & "/" & txtYear that of course would be a basic example. chris. p.s. this works on the server, so i'm going to to assume it works on the client. From marke.anderson at btinternet.com Fri Sep 6 16:59:00 2002 From: marke.anderson at btinternet.com (Mark Anderson) Date: Fri Sep 6 16:59:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Getting the US date using VBScript.... In-Reply-To: <20020906214335.87994.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can't you use the LCID function in the language directive at the top of the ASP page? This converts the page format to whatever style you want (I generally use it to convert to UK style from US style :) ) <%@LANGUAGE=VBSCRIPT" LCID=2057%> in my case converting to UK, Microsoft have a complete list on there website. Mark Anderson 01202 775483 07802 404838 mob Web Development and database design mailto:mark at anderson.uk.com http://www.anderson.uk.com -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Granger - TK - Filter Sent: 06 September 2002 22:44 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Getting the US date using VBScript.... Evening All! I need to be able to get the US format date in client side script on a non us client with VB Scrip. The VB function I am trying to use is GetDate, but it is returning the locale date and I need it to return the US date. (talking about format) I've searched for some examples...but just cannot figure out how to compare two dates and force it to return it as one single format, English/US date format. Thoughts? Clever ways of doing this client-side? Thanks, Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From rob_goodyear at yahoo.com Fri Sep 6 17:08:00 2002 From: rob_goodyear at yahoo.com (Robert Goodyear) Date: Fri Sep 6 17:08:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Mac Webservers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020906220748.17629.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Also, you might look into AppleShare IP. It'll provide mailserver and print spooler services as well. http://www.apple.com/appleshareip/ Robert Goodyear http://www.westeye.com --- Gary Carlson wrote: > >I was wondering if there were any webservers > available for Mac OS > > 9? > > http://www.webstar.com/ > -- > Gary Carlson > mailto:gcarlson at imbris.net > -- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Sep 6 17:58:02 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Fri Sep 6 17:58:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion In-Reply-To: <71167018549.20020906161949@interlog.com> Message-ID: frank, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Frank > > > and now, you dont have to lock, or hit the db, or any > > of that yucky stuff. > > I thought as much. One of the reasons however that I > must use the database is because the variables are > changeable by the client. (What, for example do they > do when they change their phone number, or decide that > they want to see more than 10 results per list, etc...) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< There's nothing that says you can't create an administrative tool that can read in the .cfm or xml file, provide the client with the means to edit it, and then save the contents back out to that dynamic file. I've resorted to this for a few projects where the information was changing so rarely it didn't make sense to have a database hit (or a table with a single record, ugh). just my 2c, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From framar at interlog.com Fri Sep 6 18:22:01 2002 From: framar at interlog.com (Frank) Date: Fri Sep 6 18:22:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion In-Reply-To: <16cd01c255e9$e22f0b30$0200a8c0@client1> References: <150103725699.20020905224456@interlog.com> <002e01c255b4$4a32e980$6401a8c0@fathahines> <71167018549.20020906161949@interlog.com> <16cd01c255e9$e22f0b30$0200a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <140177878926.20020906192036@interlog.com> Friday, September 6, 2002, 5:10:52 PM, you wrote: > This is not a problem and is EXACTLY why I suggested that the plethora of > s or script blocks appear in an external file. Once they update the > company profile, simply regenerate the file with the new settings. Ah! I didn't quite glom on to that. Are you suggesting that one use cf to literally write a text file, which then gets included? Your suggestion implies that reading a text file from the disk is quicker than reading the database. Do you think this is so? -- Frank Marion, framar at interlog.com From webdev at mountain.ch Fri Sep 6 18:35:01 2002 From: webdev at mountain.ch (Mark Howells) Date: Fri Sep 6 18:35:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Please help me kill MySQL on my iBook (before it kills me) Message-ID: <2BEDCE12-C1F1-11D6-86EF-00306549DF86@mountain.ch> I'm a newbie to Mac OS X's installation of MySQL and, to be honest, not particularly proficient at setting up user rights and so on. In the process of trying to learn something new, late on a Friday night, I've managed to screw the privileges so badly that I am now totally unable to access the "mysql" database and tables therein, either using one of my new users or the root user, from the Terminal or using phpMyAdmin. I've tried everything that Google and mysql.com can suggest and I think I'm down to wiping mysql from my machine and starting again. Does anyone know how to uninstall, eradicate, delete and kill MySQL (and its data) on an iBook running Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar, so that I can reinstall from scratch? Or am I faced with reinstalling the OS as well? Hope that there's someone else coding and checking their Evolt! emails this weekend... : -( Mark Howells AIM: mhoaim From list at zettai.net Fri Sep 6 18:42:01 2002 From: list at zettai.net (george donnelly) Date: Fri Sep 6 18:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Please help me kill MySQL on my iBook (before it kills me) In-Reply-To: <2BEDCE12-C1F1-11D6-86EF-00306549DF86@mountain.ch> Message-ID: I don't know about OS X but on FreeBSD you can do kill pid being the process id, as im sure you know, from the command line and it will kill the process. have you tried that? <--> george donnelly - http://zettai.net/ - "We Love Newbies" :) Zope Hosting - Dynamic Website Design - Search Engine Promotion > From: Mark Howells > > I've tried everything that Google and mysql.com can suggest and I think > I'm down to wiping mysql from my machine and starting again. Does > anyone know how to uninstall, eradicate, delete and kill MySQL (and its > data) on an iBook running Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar, so that I can reinstall > from scratch? Or am I faced with reinstalling the OS as well? From donald at drnoble.co.uk Fri Sep 6 18:53:01 2002 From: donald at drnoble.co.uk (Donald Noble) Date: Fri Sep 6 18:53:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] (X)HTML: %age widths, decimal??? Message-ID: <000001c25600$749f7070$c800a8c0@scotland> Hi, quick question I hope, can percentage widths in (X)HTML be decimal numbers? ie can you have width="12.3%"? Does this caus problems with any browesers? The images are for graphs on a simple poll for my website. Cheers :Donald -- http://www.AccessibleComputers.co.uk Hardware, Software & Custom built PC Systems From r937 at interlog.com Fri Sep 6 18:56:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri Sep 6 18:56:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion Message-ID: <01c25600$d93ae6e0$265f1dd1@rudy> > (or a table with a single record, ugh). was that teensie-weensie troll aimed at me? okay, i'll bite the ooak ("one of a kind") table concept has its advantages for one thing, it makes the app portable given that you do want an admin screen for these odds and sods pieces of app data, it means you don't have to re-invent the esoteric code that stores and manages this data in some external file, which surely will vary from one scripting language to another -- just manage it like other database data using sql calls, which is a pretty standard coding technique that even junior coders should be comfortable with next, and this is perhaps a "killer" advantage, consider how the data might be used in the app one example is exchange rate in pulling out rows from, say, a product table, to convert the prices to the user's currency, you simply join the ooak table into the query and perform the calculation in sql select product.description , product.price * exchange_rate from products, ooak where product.pk in ( select cart.product_fk from cart where cart.userid= n ) note how this is a cross join, with no join conditions that means every selected product row is joined with all the rows of the ooak table -- all one of them! no post-processing in your script to loop over records to perform the calculation i have conveniently glossed over matching the user to one of several exchange rates, but the principle remains -- it is better to do this type of calculation in sql rudy From cparker at swatgear.com Fri Sep 6 19:06:01 2002 From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker) Date: Fri Sep 6 19:06:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] (X)HTML: %age widths, decimal??? Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0783E4@ati-ex-01.ati.local> > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Noble [mailto:donald at drnoble.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:52 PM > > Hi, quick question I hope, can percentage widths in (X)HTML be decimal > numbers? ie can you have width="12.3%"? i'm going to guess the answer is no. but since i'm not sure i suggest you try it and see what happens. > Does this caus problems with any browesers? i don't know about this either. > The images are for graphs on a simple poll for my website. in that case it probably doesn't need to be scientific. i'd say just round to the nearest whole number. i'm pretty sure no one is going to notice, or care. "mom! mom!" "yes?" "oh my gosh mom! check this out! there's this guy and he has a website and he has these things where you can vote and they're called polls and stuff. you know what i mean? like when you vote for the presi..." "yes, i understand dear." "ok. so anyways, look at this! the percentage says 24.5778142% but the graphic only shows like 25%!!! hahahaha!!" "...?... that's nice dear." sorry, i just couldn't resist. chris. From r937 at interlog.com Fri Sep 6 19:22:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri Sep 6 19:22:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] (X)HTML: %age widths, decimal??? Message-ID: <01c25604$87237120$265f1dd1@rudy> > can percentage widths in (X)HTML be decimal > numbers? ie can you have width="12.3%"? in general, sure i have a style sheet where the font size for h1 is defined as 1.937em (don't ask) but in your case, i gather you want to apply it to an image width the question then should be "is stretching an image using percentage widths going to work the same in all browsers" and not whether percentage widths can have a decimal portion it might be better to set a maximum limit on how wide the poll results box is going to be, and then calculate a pixel width based on that after all, you probably don't want your poll results bars sticking out of their container divs if the browser interprets the percentage width as a percentage of the viewport rather than a percentage of its containing block (the preceding paragraph may be total bollocks -- i just wanted to practice some of that highfalutin language i hear the css guys speak all the time) rudy From framar at interlog.com Fri Sep 6 20:19:01 2002 From: framar at interlog.com (Frank) Date: Fri Sep 6 20:19:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion In-Reply-To: <01c25600$d93ae6e0$265f1dd1@rudy> References: <01c25600$d93ae6e0$265f1dd1@rudy> Message-ID: <157184975320.20020906211852@interlog.com> Friday, September 6, 2002, 7:55:16 PM, you wrote: > was that teensie-weensie troll aimed at me? okay, i'll bite Rudy, You are far too fair tempered for people to aim trolls at you. The more suitable bait for you would be a gnome. Web developers actually do something more than write code. We sometimes write English (or any given spoken language) as well. It pays to enrich your vocabulary, and one of our favourite tools can come in handy: Google. Google has an excellent directory (an categorized group of links) that it's minimalist interface makes easy to overlook. http://directory.google.com/ Check out the 'dictionary' category. http://directory.google.com/Top/Reference/Dictionaries/ -- Frank Marion, framar at interlog.com From lists at miinx.com.au Fri Sep 6 20:26:00 2002 From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen) Date: Fri Sep 6 20:26:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] (X)HTML: %age widths, decimal??? References: <01c25604$87237120$265f1dd1@rudy> Message-ID: <3D795588.1060405@miinx.com.au> rudy wrote: > i have a style sheet where the font size for h1 is defined as 1.937em > (don't ask) you like that number, don't you rudy? ;) Coming up with unique passwords for client email/web accounts - and your own - is a must. Quicky Password Generator is a small freeware app that will make this super easy for you, with features including multiple password generation, special characters and the ability to generate 1 to 100,000 passwords at once. For even more features, check out the shareware version. Get both here: http://www.quickysoftware.com/ Karen ------- Miinx Design & Development e :: karen at miinx.com.au p :: 0413.880.302 w :: www.miinx.com.au From magellan at gci.net Fri Sep 6 21:54:01 2002 From: magellan at gci.net (Melissa Walker and Jason Million) Date: Fri Sep 6 21:54:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Dumb Question Message-ID: <009901c25621$92b9e100$a38eed18@Computer> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] This will probably sound dumb - and probably isn't that important either... When you build a site in frames... ie: top and left frame... Then you set your index page with the frame properties... etc. etc. More to the point: www.whateversite.com/index.htm - has frame properties - so whenever you open it up you will see xpage in topframe and xpage in leftframe... Click on a link and it takes you to whateversite.com/page2.htm - which then opens up in the mainframe for example. Now when you go to www.whateversite.com/page2.htm directly - you only get the portion of the picture - not the top frame and left frame. Is there a easy way to make any picture that is linked to directly to open up within the frame - and not by itself. Thanks! -- From lists at miinx.com.au Fri Sep 6 22:33:01 2002 From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen) Date: Fri Sep 6 22:33:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Dumb Question References: <009901c25621$92b9e100$a38eed18@Computer> Message-ID: <3D79735C.2040209@miinx.com.au> Melissa Walker and Jason Million wrote: > Is there a easy way to make any picture that is linked to directly to > open up within the frame - and not by itself. Hi Melissa, As everyone here will tell you, there is no such thing as a dumb question :) There are a few different ways to do what you're wanting, and this article goes through a few of them quite thoroughly (and at some length): http://tech.irt.org/articles/js126/index.htm Essentially, and assuming your user is allowing javascript, when a page is called you firstly need to check whether the top level frame contains your frameset, then if not, store the requested page address, load your frameset and reload the requested page in the appropriate frame. Something like this (assuming your frameset page has 2 frames with the 2nd being the one you need your content in): if (top != "myframeset.htm") { var path = location.href; top.location = "myframeset.htm" top.frames[1].location = path } Hope that helps, Karen ------- Miinx Design & Development e :: karen at miinx.com.au p :: 0413.880.302 w :: www.miinx.com.au From lists at miinx.com.au Fri Sep 6 22:51:00 2002 From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen) Date: Fri Sep 6 22:51:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Dumb Question References: <009901c25621$92b9e100$a38eed18@Computer> <3D79735C.2040209@miinx.com.au> Message-ID: <3D797779.2040804@miinx.com.au> Karen J. Bowen wrote: > if (top != "myframeset.htm") { > var path = location.href; > top.location = "myframeset.htm" > top.frames[1].location = path > } > Mannnn.... having a dumb day myself. Redundant info in tips, crappy javascript... Ok, the above won't work as once you've loaded your frameset with 'top.location' you're then in that frame, so any more JS in the last page (i.e. the last line above) will not run... duh... So - you need to store the requested page address somehow, then have some code in your frameset page to load the requested page. The article link in my previous email (http://tech.irt.org/articles/js126/index.htm) explains a couple of ways to do this, check it out and holler if it doesn't make sense. Good luck, Karen ------- Miinx Design & Development e :: karen at miinx.com.au p :: 0413.880.302 w :: www.miinx.com.au From cory_preus at cnt.com Fri Sep 6 23:56:03 2002 From: cory_preus at cnt.com (Cory Preus) Date: Fri Sep 6 23:56:03 2002 Subject: [thelist] Mac Webservers Message-ID: <54160E9791A1D5118CB100508BFDF5E81CF7F3@esply04.cnt.com> A freeware one that I liked for small sites and has several advanced features is Quid Pro Quo. It is no longer being produced by Social Engineering but is still available if you look around. http://helpdesk.uvic.ca/how-to/support/mac/quidproquo.html From headlines at lists.evolt.org Sat Sep 7 00:11:01 2002 From: headlines at lists.evolt.org (Headlines) Date: Sat Sep 7 00:11:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 06-SEP-02 Message-ID: <200209070510.g875A3RZ002623@leo.evolt.org> evolt.org headlines for 06-SEP-02 Hi evolters! We have some fresh content on evolt.org today, contributed by our members. Learn something new or review the perspective of someone else: Commentary & Society: Revisiting "Table Layouts, Revisited" (Author: bmason) http://www.evolt.org/article/headline/25/38350/index.html A response/reaction to Zeldman's recent reflections on the experience of table versus CSS layout. Authors really appreciate feedback from their peers; you can leave a comment and rate articles by logging into the evolt.org web site. Happy reading! evolt.org From magic32 at jps.net Sat Sep 7 01:56:01 2002 From: magic32 at jps.net (Roger Harness) Date: Sat Sep 7 01:56:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] css and multiple links In-Reply-To: <20020906170353.604BD3A51@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: Ok, I think I'm just missing an obvious step here. I know I can have something like this for different states of my links: a.:link { color: #FFFFFF; text-decoration: none ; font-weight:bold} a.:active { color: FFFFFF; text-decoration: none ; font-weight:bold} a.:visited { color: #FFFFFF; text-decoration: none ; font-weight:bold} a.:hover { color: #00FF00; text-decoration: underline ; font-weight:bold} And I know I could have 'custom' links: a.navbar:link {color: aquamarine; text-decoration: none ;} a.navbar:active { color: FFFFFF; text-decoration: none ; font-weight:bold} etc. but I can't seem to to wrap all my custom links in a div or span. To be honest, i dont even know which one to use, but i can't get neither to work. Is this not a do-able thing? Do I have to put my class="navbar" in each anchor tag?? That seems as bad as just using font tags. Am I just missing something really simple? As always, thanks so much. -Roger Harness From magic32 at jps.net Sat Sep 7 02:10:01 2002 From: magic32 at jps.net (Roger Harness) Date: Sat Sep 7 02:10:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] css and multiple links Message-ID: Oh my gosh. ID's, right? I'm really sorry. Too late. > but I can't seem to to wrap all my custom links in a div or span. > To be honest, i dont even know which one to use, but i can't get > neither to work. Is this not a do-able thing? Do I have to put my > class="navbar" in each anchor tag?? That seems as bad as just > using font tags. Sorry for wastin' the bandwidth again, -Roger Harness From k.neirynck at belgacom.net Sat Sep 7 03:57:01 2002 From: k.neirynck at belgacom.net (Kristof Neirynck) Date: Sat Sep 7 03:57:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] css and multiple links References: Message-ID: <3D79BFD1.8000101@belgacom.net> try this: #navbar a:link {color: aquamarine; text-decoration: none ;} #navbar a:active { color: FFFFFF; text-decoration: none ; font-weight:bold} and put your navbar links in a div or span like this: Roger Harness wrote: > Oh my gosh. ID's, right? I'm really sorry. Too late. > > >>but I can't seem to to wrap all my custom links in a div or span. >>To be honest, i dont even know which one to use, but i can't get >>neither to work. Is this not a do-able thing? Do I have to put my >>class="navbar" in each anchor tag?? That seems as bad as just >>using font tags. > > > Sorry for wastin' the bandwidth again, > > -Roger Harness From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk Sat Sep 7 05:57:01 2002 From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes) Date: Sat Sep 7 05:57:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] PHP comments list In-Reply-To: <00ed01c2555d$42601db0$6401a8c0@schaapy> Message-ID: what program are you using? Andrew -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of { schaapy } Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 05:24 To: thelist Subject: [thelist] PHP comments list Just real quick................ Does anyone have, or know where I can get, a simple PHP comment script. Something similar to how moveabletype or greymatter allows you to put on the bottom of your posts. Also it can't use a DB. ----------------------- Aaron Schaap www.theparagon.org -- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02 From sfmalo at 24caratdesign.com Sat Sep 7 07:13:01 2002 From: sfmalo at 24caratdesign.com (Sharon F. Malone) Date: Sat Sep 7 07:13:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Form input type RESET not working Message-ID: <014a01c25667$35f58be0$3814f4d8@oemcomputer> For some reason, the following basic command is not working in my form: . I've tested it in NN4.7, IE5.5 and N6.2 and it isn't working altho it works in other forms I've done. Any clues? I was thinking I might have to write an onClick event, but is this really necessary? url: http://www.chefsteve.com/html/ChefHACCPQuiz.html. TIA, Sharon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sharon F. Malone "web design and Internet writing services" http://www.24caratdesign.com sfmalo at 24caratdesign.com From eike.pierstorff at dynamique.de Sat Sep 7 08:10:01 2002 From: eike.pierstorff at dynamique.de (Eike Pierstorff) Date: Sat Sep 7 08:10:01 2002 Subject: AW: [thelist] Form input type RESET not working In-Reply-To: <014a01c25667$35f58be0$3814f4d8@oemcomputer> Message-ID: > For some reason, the following basic command is not working in my form: > . > > I've tested it in NN4.7, IE5.5 and N6.2 and it isn't working > altho it works in other forms I've done. > > Any clues? I was thinking I might have to write an onClick event, > but is this really necessary? > > url: http://www.chefsteve.com/html/ChefHACCPQuiz.html. > There are eleven
    -tags in the source code. There should be just one. And every group of radio buttons should have it's own name (I guess). Instead of: 8. To effectively .....
    10 seconds
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    ..... -- eike From list01 at theparagon.org Sat Sep 7 09:09:01 2002 From: list01 at theparagon.org ({ schaapy }) Date: Sat Sep 7 09:09:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] PHP comments list References: Message-ID: <018001c25678$e4fdd5a0$6401a8c0@schaapy> [snip] what program are you using? - Andrew [/snip] What do you mean? ----------------------- Aaron Schaap www.theparagon.org From poliva at cox.net Sat Sep 7 10:27:01 2002 From: poliva at cox.net (Pablo Oliva) Date: Sat Sep 7 10:27:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] sending email with php Message-ID: <000001c2563d$e0a52bb0$6a6c0444@cr8tivewerk> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I am trying to implement the mail function; Here's the SMTP directive in the php.ini file: SMTP = smtp.west.cox.net sendmail_from = poliva at cox.net Here's my code: $to = $compEmail; $subject = 'Jobs on the Road email verification'; $message = 'test'; if ( @mail( $to, $subject, $message, "To: $compContact <$compEmail>\n" . "From: poliva at cox.net\n" . "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" . "Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" ) ) { // email sent successfully header ( 'Location: ../verify/emailVerification.php?sts=1' ); } else { // email could not be sent header ( 'Location: ../verify/emailVerification.php?sts=0' ); } I am being sent to the page that is a result of an unsuccessful attempt. Can anyone see any problems with my code, is there something that I am missing???? Thanks for any help or light that you could shed on my frustrating problem. -- From evolt at david.us-lot.org Sat Sep 7 10:43:01 2002 From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (evolt at david.us-lot.org) Date: Sat Sep 7 10:43:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] css and multiple links In-Reply-To: References: <20020906170353.604BD3A51@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <20020907154551.GA8046@us-lot.org> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 11:58:24PM -0700, Roger Harness wrote: > a.navbar:link {color: aquamarine; text-decoration: none ;} > a.navbar:active { color: FFFFFF; text-decoration: none ; font-weight:bold} > etc. > > but I can't seem to to wrap all my custom links in a div or span. To be > honest, i dont even know which one to use, but i can't get neither to work. > Is this not a do-able thing? Do I have to put my class="navbar" in each > anchor tag?? a.navbar:link means "An achor with a class of 'navbar' and a psudo-class of 'link'. However the link isn't a member of that class, the
    is. So use... div.navbar a:link, which means "An anchor of psudo-class 'link' that is a decendant of a div of class 'navbar'". http://david.us-lot.org/www-hover.php might be of interest. -- David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/ HTML email is a bit like using coloured paper and glitter ink on a CV. From joel at spinhead.com Sat Sep 7 11:33:01 2002 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Sat Sep 7 11:33:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] Form input type RESET not working Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > For some reason, the following basic command is not working > in my form: . > > I've tested it in NN4.7, IE5.5 and N6.2 and it isn't working > altho it works in other forms I've done. > > Any clues? I was thinking I might have to write an onClick > event, but is this really necessary? > > url: http://www.chefsteve.com/html/ChefHACCPQuiz.html. > > TIA, > Sharon Hi Sharon. The problem is that you have too many
    tags, and the one that's most nearly correct is in the wrong place. Here's a 'form' tag, followed by some pseudo-code re: form layout - Notice - one pair of
    tags around the entire form, not around each element or set of elements. Also, each set of radio buttons should have its own name. I assume you meant to use 'q1' for question one, 'q2' for question two, etc. Makes sense. (Advanced topic, but a nice usability touch: ideally you ought to give them an id also, and give them each a label, thus: 4. Which is not a physical hazard?




    It's not the end of the world if you don't get this right now; if you wanna go over it offline just let me know; otherwise, don't worry about it for now.) Finally, just in case you have any users bright enough to 'view source', I think I'd come up with a better way to mark the correct answers ;) Use the text of the answer (or a one-word representation of it) as the value of the radio button, and do the scoring (1 or 0) on the server side, in the page which is parsing the form. As it stands, I'm pretty sure my 12-year-old could get a perfect score on the quiz 'cause he'd look at the code. As always, let me know if I've confused you more than I've helped. I'd be glad to write pages and pages more about this for you :) joel From gauthier at placidsound.com Sat Sep 7 11:40:00 2002 From: gauthier at placidsound.com (Gauthier@PlacidSound) Date: Sat Sep 7 11:40:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] DocType Height and overflow problem Message-ID: <002d01c2568d$301f72a0$0100a8c0@nomad.local> Hi, here is a simple thing I'm unable to do without removing the doctype of my layout test: I need to have the interface layout displayable all arround my contents, my contents must stay in a overflowed element that scale to the client window's size here is the XHTML code I've writed: ===============================================
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    =============================================== My problem is that the height is not interpreted the same way if I put the correct doctype at the top of the code replacement doctype: =============================================== =============================================== Does anyone know how to obtain the same effect with XHTML/CSS compliant code, working identic with ie5 and mozilla1 Thanks alot for any hint! Gauthier From Gary at star-chaser.com Sat Sep 7 13:42:01 2002 From: Gary at star-chaser.com (Gary Bland) Date: Sat Sep 7 13:42:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] sending email with php References: <000001c2563d$e0a52bb0$6a6c0444@cr8tivewerk> Message-ID: <3D7A4883.1040408@star-chaser.com> Pablo Olivia wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > I am trying to implement the mail function; > > Here's the SMTP directive in the php.ini file: > SMTP = smtp.west.cox.net > sendmail_from = poliva at cox.net > > Here's my code: > > $to = $compEmail; > $subject = 'Jobs on the Road email verification'; > $message = 'test'; > > if ( @mail( $to, $subject, $message, > "To: $compContact <$compEmail>\n" . > "From: poliva at cox.net\n" . > "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" . > "Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" ) ) > { > // email sent successfully > header ( 'Location: ../verify/emailVerification.php?sts=1' ); > } > else > { > // email could not be sent > header ( 'Location: ../verify/emailVerification.php?sts=0' ); > } > > I am being sent to the page that is a result of an unsuccessful attempt. > Can anyone see any problems with my code, is there something that I am > missing???? Thanks for any help or light that you could shed on my > frustrating problem. > > -- > Your not forcing any mail headers. Take the error suppression off of mail() and it will error out. $headers .= "From: poliva at cox.net\n"; $headers .= "Reply-To: "bla Bla\n"; $headers .= "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"; $headers .= "Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\n"; mail("whoever at someone.com", $subject, $message, $headers); do something else hth Gary -- Gary Bland StarChaser Web Architecture http://star-chaser.com Building Tomorrow's World Today From chris at thehinkleway.com Sat Sep 7 14:31:01 2002 From: chris at thehinkleway.com (Chris Hinkle) Date: Sat Sep 7 14:31:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] High I'm new to the list, need good CSS reference Message-ID: I am a programmer. I make web applications for a [modest] living. I just learned that html is not for fomatting content. Who knew? I guess I'm a late bloomer. Anyways, I've always used CSS in my sites and apps, but I've always just copied some site's file that I liked and made minor change. I used to do the same thing with html, but now I know, a healthier web page is built from scratch. I know the same must apply to stylesheets. My question: Can anyone recomend the most extensive and complete CSS reference/resource that would teach me ALL of CSS and what I can with it, written for a more technically-oriented audience, and not an "intro to making 'internet websites' tutorial". -hinkle ||||||||||||||||||||||| Chris Hinkle chris at thehinkleway.com --------------------------- I stopped paying attention when AT&T changed its logo from the bell to the globe. --------------------------- From Anthony at Baratta.com Sat Sep 7 14:41:01 2002 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Sat Sep 7 14:41:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] High I'm new to the list, need good CSS reference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020907123858.02f55ec0@baratta.com> At 12:30 PM 9/7/2002, Chris Hinkle wrote: >My question: Can anyone recomend the most extensive and complete CSS >reference/resource that would teach me ALL of CSS and what I can with >it, written for a more technically-oriented audience, and not >an "intro to making 'internet websites' tutorial". http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/css/ OR http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dhtmlref2/ --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From dbindel at austin.rr.com Sat Sep 7 14:43:01 2002 From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel) Date: Sat Sep 7 14:43:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] High I'm new to the list, need good CSS reference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > My question: Can anyone recomend the most extensive and complete > CSS reference/resource that would teach me ALL of CSS and what I > can with it, written for a more technically-oriented audience, > and not > an "intro to making 'internet websites' tutorial". You want a full, complete technical reference? How about the CSS 2 standard itself, straight from the W3C: http://www.w3.org/tr/css2/. This will be quite a bit of reading for you, but I think that's what you're asking us for. HTH, David Bindel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPXpWmLwc2umqeOxSEQLyogCgyUF/4QxbpfBMfefWEv564AE2da0AnjZF FACJ/BdQLGV+J9g2Fs0oGZoH =c3xI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simon at incutio.com Sat Sep 7 15:54:01 2002 From: simon at incutio.com (Simon Willison) Date: Sat Sep 7 15:54:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] High I'm new to the list, need good CSS reference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020907215124.0189b8f8@mail.incutio.com> At 15:30 07/09/2002 -0400, Chris Hinkle wrote: >My question: Can anyone recomend the most extensive and complete CSS >reference/resource that would teach me ALL of CSS and what I can with >it, written for a more technically-oriented audience, and not >an "intro to making 'internet websites' tutorial". Form your mail it sounds like you are most interested in learning to use CSS to lay out websites. I thoroughly recommend "Cascading Style Sheets: Separating Content from Presentation" by Owen Briggs et al (published by glasshaus). It has pretty much everything you could want to know about using CSS to lay out sites including a great deal of information on getting things to work in multiple browsers. It's written for a people who are competent with HTML and want to take things a step further. Hope that helps, Simon Willison -- Web Developer, www.incutio.com Weblog: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~cs1spw/blog/ From poliva at cox.net Sat Sep 7 16:41:01 2002 From: poliva at cox.net (Pablo Oliva) Date: Sat Sep 7 16:41:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] sending email with php In-Reply-To: <3D7A4883.1040408@star-chaser.com> Message-ID: <000101c256b7$36fb54c0$6a6c0444@cr8tivewerk> Well, this is the error that I am receiving, leading me to believe that I am having problems with the SMTP servers. I tried both my ISP smtp.west.cox.net and my personal webhosting company www.qecept.com for my SMTP settings in the php.ini file. Neither work, is it that both not permit this or am I doing something wrong. So I imagine that this has something to do with the SMTP server. I am running Apache on a Windows machine, is there a mail server, free hopefully, that I could setup??? Warning: Failed to Connect in c:\apache\htdocs\jotr\scripts\processcompsignup.php on line 43 NOT Sent Line 43: if ( mail( $to, $subject, $message ) ) { print 'Sent'; } else { print 'NOT Sent'; } From list at yaffle.org Sat Sep 7 17:45:01 2002 From: list at yaffle.org (timothy booker) Date: Sat Sep 7 17:45:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] High I'm new to the list, need good CSS reference References: Message-ID: <3D7A814D.60109@yaffle.org> Chris Hinkle wrote: > My question: Can anyone recomend the most extensive and complete CSS > reference/resource that would teach me ALL of CSS and what I can with > it, written for a more technically-oriented audience, Read the W3C CSS specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ This is the only definitive CSS 2 reference. If you've fiddled with CSS before, it shouldn't be to difficult to follow. HTH, Tim -- http://www.yaffle.org/ From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Sun Sep 8 02:04:17 2002 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Sun Sep 8 02:04:17 2002 Subject: [thelist] sending email with php In-Reply-To: <000101c256b7$36fb54c0$6a6c0444@cr8tivewerk> Message-ID: > permit this or am I doing something wrong. So I imagine that this has > something to do with the SMTP server. I am running Apache on a Windows > machine, is there a mail server, free hopefully, that I could setup??? Try Postcastserver: http://www.postcastserver.com/ It's free, very easy to set up and works. hth From simon at incutio.com Sun Sep 8 05:41:01 2002 From: simon at incutio.com (Simon Willison) Date: Sun Sep 8 05:41:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] "Sending XHTML as text/html Considered Harmful" Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020908113232.016b8e38@mail.incutio.com> Here's a tough one for standards enthusiasts: http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml Ian Hickson makes the case for using HTML 4.01 in preference to XHTML, because XHTML should be sent with a text/xml content-type header (which causes most browsers, including IE, to fail to display it). The text/xml content-type header is essential as without it browsers will render not-well-formed XHTML documents, which inevitably results in XHTML document authors polluting the web with so-called XHTML documents that are actually invalid. Then when the first "real" XML user-agents come along they will be unable to render most of the so-called XHTML documents they encounter. The document advocates staying with HTML until "such time as the majority of installed user agents correctly support XHTML when delivered with an XML content type". We all know how long it takes some people/organisations to upgrade, and seeing as Internet Explorer 6 doesn't get this right how long that will take is anyone's guess. Cheers, Simon -- Web Developer, www.incutio.com Weblog: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~cs1spw/blog/ From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 8 06:10:14 2002 From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr) Date: Sun Sep 8 06:10:14 2002 Subject: [thelist] Line height and list items Message-ID: <000601c25727$d6c0dd20$4363989e@DHGQCD0J> Hi all Is it possible to use css to adjust the height between list items? Applying line height to a list adjusts all the line height of the text in the lists, but that's not what I want. What I'm after is normal line height for the text but a more pronounced gap between the individual items. Oh, and it's got to work in IE5 Win. Cheers Francis From simon at incutio.com Sun Sep 8 06:39:02 2002 From: simon at incutio.com (Simon Willison) Date: Sun Sep 8 06:39:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] Line height and list items In-Reply-To: <000601c25727$d6c0dd20$4363989e@DHGQCD0J> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020908123725.016b9028@mail.incutio.com> At 12:06 08/09/2002 +0100, fstorr wrote: >Hi all > >Is it possible to use css to adjust the height between list items? >Applying line height to a list adjusts all the line height of the text >in the lists, but that's not what I want. What I'm after is normal line >height for the text but a more pronounced gap between the individual >items. > >Oh, and it's got to work in IE5 Win. Have you tried applying a top / bottom margin to the individual list items? Good luck with IE5, from what I've seen it can become a bit fragile when it comes to styling lists. Cheers Simon Wilison -- Web Developer, www.incutio.com Weblog: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~cs1spw/blog/ From kjs at ratking.co.uk Sun Sep 8 07:19:33 2002 From: kjs at ratking.co.uk (Kevin Stevens) Date: Sun Sep 8 07:19:33 2002 Subject: [thelist] Databases Message-ID: <001901c25731$71165c20$0100a8c0@k0k8u7> Speaking to a friend of mine who runs a one man computer repair/advice service, he has asked me if I would be interested in doing some work for him. He has had several offers of database related work which he has had to let pass because he has no knowledge of them. I've created several small database apps using Access and ASP, and I'm of the understanding that once you know the basic concept of how db's work it isn't too hard to go from say Access to SQL Server (please feel free to dispel this myth). What I would like from any of you database gurus out there is a few links to information about the differences between the two, general sites with relevant FAQs, that sort of thing. Thanks Kevin Stevens kjs at ratking.co.uk From edc at wnc.quik.co.nz Sun Sep 8 08:15:04 2002 From: edc at wnc.quik.co.nz (michael ensor) Date: Sun Sep 8 08:15:04 2002 Subject: [thelist] Line height and list items References: <000601c25727$d6c0dd20$4363989e@DHGQCD0J> Message-ID: <001801c25739$b656f620$316237d2@oemcomputer> It's late night early morning here, but here is something I was playing around with, not quite on topic, but you should get the idea. By default there is no vertical spacing, but what seems to work best (yes even IE5) is using the top-margin and setting a positive value, rather than the negative one I have used here. P.S. I wouldn't use those colours in a live sight, lol P.S.2 I was really experimenting with different insets, however the margin works in IE5.5, ( even from memory NS 4+? ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "fstorr" To: Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: [thelist] Line height and list items > Hi all > > Is it possible to use css to adjust the height between list items? > Applying line height to a list adjusts all the line height of the text > in the lists, but that's not what I want. What I'm after is normal line > height for the text but a more pronounced gap between the individual > items. > > Oh, and it's got to work in IE5 Win. > > Cheers > > Francis > > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 4/09/02 From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 8 08:28:12 2002 From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr) Date: Sun Sep 8 08:28:12 2002 Subject: [thelist] Line height and list items In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020908123725.016b9028@mail.incutio.com> Message-ID: <000001c2573b$1f592ca0$4363989e@DHGQCD0J> >Oh, and it's got to work in IE5 Win. Have you tried applying a top / bottom margin to the individual list items? Good luck with IE5, from what I've seen it can become a bit fragile when it comes to styling lists. Cheers Simon Wilison ____________________ Ah - hadn't thought of that! Well, it works fine in IE6 etc, but I'll have to wait to go back to work tomorrow to try IE5. In theory it shoud work but, as you say, IE5 and styling lists does have some problems... Thanks F From joel at spinhead.com Sun Sep 8 11:33:10 2002 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Sun Sep 8 11:33:10 2002 Subject: [thelist] Databases Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm of the > understanding that once you know the basic concept of how > db's work it isn't too hard to go from say Access to SQL > Server (please feel free to dispel this myth). Can't think of any resources off the top of my head, but I actually went the other direction: started with MSSQL2000 and then started using Access. I think MSSQL is easier, but that's purely a connection issue. The biggest day to day difference between MSSQL, Access, and MySQL is how you connect. After that, the SQL queries are essentially the same. Not a big transition between any of them. joel From db at bonasource.ca Sun Sep 8 12:14:05 2002 From: db at bonasource.ca (Dmitri Buterin) Date: Sun Sep 8 12:14:05 2002 Subject: [thelist] Password field lengths IE under Windows XP Message-ID: <000d01c2575b$12b0c3d0$d679cfcd@DBBona> We are stuck trying to resolve a small glitch. On pages like this http://anteques.ny.bonasource.com/srv/newdealer password fields in the forms are displayed shorter than all other fields under IE in Windows XP. On all other platforms/browser we have tested, all fields have uniform length - as we want them to be. I would greatly appreciate any ideas. Dmitri Buterin, e-Business websites + Usability expertise + Offshore R&D cost savings db at bonasource.ca - cell (416) 505-0094 - office (416) 410-4059 From list at yaffle.org Sun Sep 8 12:57:32 2002 From: list at yaffle.org (timothy booker) Date: Sun Sep 8 12:57:32 2002 Subject: [thelist] Password field lengths IE under Windows XP References: <000d01c2575b$12b0c3d0$d679cfcd@DBBona> Message-ID: <3D7B8F47.1040604@yaffle.org> Dmitri Buterin wrote: > password fields in the forms are displayed shorter than all other fields > under IE in Windows XP. Use CSS to specify an exact pixel width for the fields. Hope this helps, Tim -- http://www.yaffle.org/ From ken.kogler at curf.edu Sun Sep 8 13:01:23 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:01:23 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css Message-ID: <000101c25761$7221d7e0$0808810a@eagle5> Are there any caveats to be aware of when doing this: Am I correct that the browser could care less what the extension of the stylesheet is as long as it's specified as "text/css"? --Ken From evolt at david.us-lot.org Sun Sep 8 13:08:10 2002 From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:08:10 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css In-Reply-To: <000101c25761$7221d7e0$0808810a@eagle5> References: <000101c25761$7221d7e0$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <20020908181053.GB13528@us-lot.org> On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 12:59:15PM -0500, Ken Kogler wrote: > Are there any caveats to be aware of when doing this: > > href="/css/main.asp?style=red" rel="stylesheet"> Netscape 4.x doesn't understand media="all". Your style sheet may not be apropriate for palmtop, aural, braille, tty, tv, embossed and print media as well as screen. > Am I correct that the browser could care less what the extension of the > stylesheet is as long as it's specified as "text/css"? Depends on the browser. The extension should be irrelevent, but the content type the server sends must be text/css for some browsers. -- David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/ HTML email is a bit like using coloured paper and glitter ink on a CV. From ken.kogler at curf.edu Sun Sep 8 13:13:17 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:13:17 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css In-Reply-To: <20020908181053.GB13528@us-lot.org> Message-ID: <000201c25763$23b1aa20$0808810a@eagle5> > Netscape 4.x doesn't understand media="all". > Your style sheet may not be apropriate for palmtop, aural, braille, > tty, tv, embossed and print media as well as screen. Points taken. I hadn't meant to open that particular can of worms. :) > > Am I correct that the browser could care less what the > > extension of the stylesheet is as long as it's specified > > as "text/css"? > Depends on the browser. The extension should be irrelevent, but the > content type the server sends must be text/css for some browsers. Hmm... Does the type="text/css" tell the server how to send it, or the client how to interpret it? I don't want to set the MIME type of ALL my .asp files to "text/css"... From joel at spinhead.com Sun Sep 8 13:18:06 2002 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:18:06 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Depends on the browser. The extension should be irrelevent, but the > > content type the server sends must be text/css for some browsers. > > Hmm... Does the type="text/css" tell the server how to send > it, or the client how to interpret it? I don't want to set > the MIME type of ALL my .asp files to "text/css"... Server. That's why the standard file extension is .css - avoids this very issue. Any reason you want to use .asp for CSS files? or that you *dont'* want to use .css for CSS files? joel From mbarrett at triad.rr.com Sun Sep 8 13:21:09 2002 From: mbarrett at triad.rr.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:21:09 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css In-Reply-To: <000101c25761$7221d7e0$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: I'm assuming that you are in need of some kind of dynamic style sheet because you are calling a ASP document with a GET query string. Instead of finding out the hard way that some browser won't work with this technique...why not just include style into an inline style sheet In pseudo code. > Are there any caveats to be aware of when doing this: > > href="/css/main.asp?style=red" rel="stylesheet"> > > Am I correct that the browser could care less what the extension of the > stylesheet is as long as it's specified as "text/css"? -- Michael Barrett -O^O- - mbarrett at triad.rr.com From list at yaffle.org Sun Sep 8 13:23:49 2002 From: list at yaffle.org (timothy booker) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:23:49 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css References: <000101c25761$7221d7e0$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <3D7B9544.6070309@yaffle.org> Ken Kogler wrote: > Are there any caveats to be aware of when doing this: > > href="/css/main.asp?style=red" rel="stylesheet"> From your ASP page you should send a header with text/css as the content type. I'm not sure how this works in ASP, but in PHP you would simply put the following as the first line of output from the script: header( 'Content-Type: text/css' ); Hope this helps, Tim -- http://www.yaffle.org/ From lwkraemer at directvinternet.com Sun Sep 8 13:26:00 2002 From: lwkraemer at directvinternet.com (lon.kraemer) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:26:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css References: <000101c25761$7221d7e0$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <004601c25764$cc680370$0201a8c0@yoda> > Are there any caveats to be aware of when doing this: > > href="/css/main.asp?style=red" rel="stylesheet"> > > Am I correct that the browser could care less what the extension of the > stylesheet is as long as it's specified as "text/css"? > > --Ken I played with this last year. It's very flexible. Add this to main.asp: Response.ContentType = "text/css" -- Lon Kraemer ----------------------------------------- From ken.kogler at curf.edu Sun Sep 8 13:29:03 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:29:03 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c25765$67748c80$0808810a@eagle5> > Any reason you want to use .asp for CSS files? > or that you *dont'* want to use .css for CSS files? More for curiousity than anything else. It had occurred to me that doing this could be easier than separate stylesheets: ---- code block ---- <% url = "/articles/" select case url case "/articles/" color = "#0000ff" case "/resume/" color = "#ffffff" end select %> body { background-color: <%= color %>; ---- / code block ---- Stupid example, but it gets the basic concept across. --Ken From r937 at interlog.com Sun Sep 8 13:38:02 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:38:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] Databases Message-ID: <01c25766$ca0681e0$1be6059a@rudy> > After that, the SQL queries are essentially the same. > Not a big transition between any of them. the odd man out here is mysql, which doesn't do subselects or unions and ms access has its own set of functions, e.g. IIF instead of CASE for syntax differences, see this site -- A Gentle introduction to SQL http://www.dcs.napier.ac.uk/~andrew/gisq/ i have a ton of sql links, some of which i have started to post on my site (categorization is on my todo list) -- SQL Links http://r937.com/links.cfm?links=sql rudy http://rudy.ca/ From r937 at interlog.com Sun Sep 8 13:49:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Sep 8 13:49:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css Message-ID: <01c25768$48ddb5a0$1be6059a@rudy> don't forget that caching of the style sheet should be a consideration too, which may not happen with a dynamic query string in the link tag why not just use asp logic on each page to determine which style sheet to link to? pseudocode -- if path contains "/articles/" Message-ID: <001501c2575b$dd587ec0$222e86d9@giles> Any ideas? Resources? From lcarlson at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 8 14:12:07 2002 From: lcarlson at d.umn.edu (Laura Carlson) Date: Sun Sep 8 14:12:07 2002 Subject: [thelist] Re: High I'm new to the list, need good CSS reference Message-ID: <702072650.1031494223@dial34-166.d.umn.edu> > Can anyone recomend the most extensive and complete CSS > reference/resource that would teach me ALL of CSS and what I can with > it, written for a more technically-oriented audience, and not > an "intro to making 'internet websites' tutorial". Quite a few CSS resources are listed at: Laura _________________________________________________________________ Laura L. Carlson Information Technology Systems and Services University of Minnesota Duluth Duluth, MN 55812-3009 mailto:lcarlson at d.umn.edu From evolt at david.us-lot.org Sun Sep 8 15:10:01 2002 From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward) Date: Sun Sep 8 15:10:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CSS: Not using .css In-Reply-To: <000201c25763$23b1aa20$0808810a@eagle5> References: <20020908181053.GB13528@us-lot.org> <000201c25763$23b1aa20$0808810a@eagle5> Message-ID: <20020908201216.GA14085@us-lot.org> On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 01:11:22PM -0500, Ken Kogler wrote: > > Depends on the browser. The extension should be irrelevent, but the > > content type the server sends must be text/css for some browsers. > > Hmm... Does the type="text/css" tell the server how to send it, or the No, it is just a suggestion for the client. > client how to interpret it? I don't want to set the MIME type of ALL my > .asp files to "text/css"... You need to send a text/css header with each of your CSS files, but setting the content type for all of them to text/css would be a bad idea (after all, I'm sure some of them contain HTML). If the document was PHP I'd do something like: body { etc..... But as you are using ASP its time for a trip to Google. http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=asp+content+type+header leads me to http://www.w3schools.com/asp/prop_contenttype.asp and: <%response.ContentType="text/css"%> -- David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/ HTML email is a bit like using coloured paper and glitter ink on a CV. From jeff at members.evolt.org Sun Sep 8 15:14:01 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sun Sep 8 15:14:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion In-Reply-To: <01c25600$d93ae6e0$265f1dd1@rudy> Message-ID: rudy, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: rudy > > > (or a table with a single record, ugh). > > was that teensie-weensie troll aimed at me? okay, i'll > bite ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< that was most definitely not intended as a troll or flame bait. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > the ooak ("one of a kind") table concept has its > advantages > > for one thing, it makes the app portable ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< that's arguable. if chosen wisely, the disk storage method can be just as portable and still allow you to maintain all the advantages of not hitting the database for what is most likely completely static data. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > given that you do want an admin screen for these odds > and sods pieces of app data, it means you don't have to > re-invent the esoteric code that stores and manages this > data in some external file, which surely will vary from > one scripting language to another -- just manage it like > other database data using sql calls, which is a pretty > standard coding technique that even junior coders should > be comfortable with ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< i don't believe it's my responsibility to code apps so they can be worked on comfortably by junior coders. that's not what the client is paying me for. the client is paying me to develop technology that will solve their business problems. if that solution requires a complex collection of code, then that's what they'll get. it might be nearly impossible for a junior coder to stumble their way through it and understand, but that's not the point. readability of the code does not keep the client's business going -- performance of the code does. now, i mentioned that if the disk storage method is chosen wisely, then the interface for the admin should be trivially different from storing the data in the database. use the same mechanism as the frontend to get the stored data into memory -- cfinclude. param the data to the appropriate form fields. code the html-based ui. write whatever data validation you need. in your data processing template, instead of making a database call to store the saved data, simply write the data back out to the file in the same location it was before. it really is no more difficult than using an ooak table. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > next, and this is perhaps a "killer" advantage, consider > how the data might be used in the app > > one example is exchange rate > > in pulling out rows from, say, a product table, to > convert the prices to the user's currency, you simply > join the ooak table into the query and perform the > calculation in sql > > select product.description > , product.price * exchange_rate > from products, ooak > where product.pk in > ( select cart.product_fk > from cart > where cart.userid= n ) > > note how this is a cross join, with no join conditions > > that means every selected product row is joined with > all the rows of the ooak table -- all one of them! > > no post-processing in your script to loop over records > to perform the calculation ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< data is data though. it doesn't matter where it's stored. i can do the same thing above, but without the join. SELECT product.description , product.price * #Val(app.company.exchange_rate)# FROM products WHERE product.pk IN (SELECT cart.product_fk FROM cart WHERE cart.userid = n) like your example, no post-query looping. the best advice in the snip above would be to "consider how the data might be used in the app". if thought is put into that, then the developer will most likely select the best method of storage for that situation which won't always be the database. just my 2?, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From contact at hepi.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 8 15:47:01 2002 From: contact at hepi.fsnet.co.uk (Jason Hepi) Date: Sun Sep 8 15:47:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] ASP + fileSystemObject + IIS5 Message-ID: Hi All, Can anyone help me to get the fileSystemObject working correctly with IIS5. I've tried giving full access permissions to IUSR_MyMachineName for the folder in which I want write to an existing XML file - but I'm still getting the same response ... which appears to be nothing followed by a timeout. This is the code from my ASP page: Dim xmlStr xmlStr = "" xmlStr = xmlStr & vbCrLf & "" xmlStr = xmlStr & vbCrLf & "example data" xmlStr = xmlStr & vbCrLf & "" Set fs = server.CreateObject("scripting.FilesystemObject") Set newXML = fs.CreateTextFile("http://localhost/dev/client/asp/xml/timetable.xml", true) newXML.write(xmlStr) newXML.close Set fs = Nothing Any help greatly appreciated, Jason From r937 at interlog.com Sun Sep 8 16:09:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Sep 8 16:09:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] CF: Request for Opinion Message-ID: <01c2577b$db788da0$1be6059a@rudy> >> > (or a table with a single record, ugh). >> >> was that teensie-weensie troll aimed at me? > > that was most definitely not intended as a troll or flame bait. okay, then please don't jump up and holler the next time somebody says "data stored outside the database, ugh" or "javascript, ugh" or "coldfusion, ugh" or "dhtml, ugh" ;o) anyhow, very nice rejoinder, and all your points are of course valid > SELECT product.description > , product.price * #Val(app.company.exchange_rate)# yeah, i know you can do it that way too probably a couple of nanoseconds faster, too rudy From szh at softhome.net Sun Sep 8 16:16:00 2002 From: szh at softhome.net (Syed Zeeshan Haider) Date: Sun Sep 8 16:16:00 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.2 problem References: Message-ID: <002101c2577d$19c0f600$d80987cb@haidersystem> Hello Experts, > Running the page through the HTML validator at http://validator.w3.org gives > a large number of errors. Fix those errors and try again - I bet that'll fix > the problem. It could not help me in pre-specified problem. I am bringing my old question back to TheList. I stopped posting because this thread had begun to lose its right path. On http://syedzeeshanhaider.faithweb.com/entertainment/aemardemujahidjaagzara.html, list is using following CSS: ol { color:black;font-family:Sans-serif, Verdana, Arial, Tahoma; font-size:10pt;padding-left:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-bottom:10px; text-align:justify; text-transform: capitalize} It works well with IE 5.5, Opera 6, NN 4.x but when I open this page with Netscape 6.2, list numbers appear on the border of the cell. Any solution to the problem? Thank you, Syed Zeeshan Haider. http://syedzeeshanhaider.faithweb.com/ From edc at wnc.quik.co.nz Sun Sep 8 17:13:02 2002 From: edc at wnc.quik.co.nz (michael ensor) Date: Sun Sep 8 17:13:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.2 problem References: <002101c2577d$19c0f600$d80987cb@haidersystem> Message-ID: <001601c25784$dd454840$696237d2@oemcomputer> Try setting the
  • horizontal margins rather than padding the ol element, or alternatively nest the list inside a div and set margins for the div ----- Original Message ----- From: "Syed Zeeshan Haider" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [thelist] Netscape 6.2 problem > Hello Experts, > > > Running the page through the HTML validator at http://validator.w3.org gives > > a large number of errors. Fix those errors and try again - I bet that'll fix > > the problem. > > It could not help me in pre-specified problem. > > I am bringing my old question back to TheList. I stopped posting because this > thread had begun to lose its right path. On > http://syedzeeshanhaider.faithweb.com/entertainment/aemardemujahidjaagzara.h tml, > list is using following CSS: > > ol { color:black;font-family:Sans-serif, Verdana, Arial, Tahoma; > font-size:10pt;padding-left:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-bottom:10px; > text-align:justify; text-transform: capitalize} > > It works well with IE 5.5, Opera 6, NN 4.x but when I open this page with > Netscape 6.2, list numbers appear on the border of the cell. > Any solution to the problem? > > Thank you, > Syed Zeeshan Haider. > http://syedzeeshanhaider.faithweb.com/ > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 4/09/02 From ken.kogler at curf.edu Sun Sep 8 17:40:01 2002 From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler) Date: Sun Sep 8 17:40:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] ASP + fileSystemObject + IIS5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c25788$697306b0$0808810a@eagle5> > Set newXML = fs.CreateTextFile > ("http://localhost/dev/client/asp/xml/timetable.xml", true) Try making that: > Set newXML = fs.CreateTextFile > (server.mapPath("/dev/client/asp/xml/timetable.xml")", true) I'm not sure you can pass a file via http like you were trying to do. HTH! --Ken From rob_goodyear at yahoo.com Sun Sep 8 19:04:01 2002 From: rob_goodyear at yahoo.com (Robert Goodyear) Date: Sun Sep 8 19:04:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] ASP + fileSystemObject + IIS5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020909000332.29595.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jason Hepi wrote: > Hi All, > > Can anyone help me to get the fileSystemObject > working correctly with IIS5. > Set fs = > server.CreateObject("scripting.FilesystemObject") > Set newXML = > fs.CreateTextFile("http://localhost/dev/client/asp/xml/timetable.xml", > true) That's not a valid FileSystem object reference. You could either use the Server.MapPath function or preface it explicitly with the physical root. /rg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From olena at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 8 20:04:03 2002 From: olena at sympatico.ca (Olena Sullivan) Date: Sun Sep 8 20:04:03 2002 Subject: [thelist] Problems with mail program hacking Message-ID: <3D7BF4AF.9080203@sympatico.ca> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi All, I have a friend who is starting up a hosting venture and is having a problem with setting up web-based email. As I am a web designer who knows not of these things, I thought I'd shoot out the question to the list, knowing that there is someone who can solve the problem at hand: He purchased World Wide Messenger V4.0 and had a previous programmer install/code it into the system so that his clients could send/receive email with their own personal email addresses. Problem is, someone hacked in and started sending porn spam using his mail system. (Don't you hate that??) All he could do was take out the system and now noone has email through their domain addresses which sucks. He really wants to get the email going again but does not know if it is the program that is the problem or what? Does he need another programmer to install/code and make it more secure or is it a server issue and the program is fine? Have any of you had any experience with this mail program? Any opinions appreciated and I'll learn something in the process. Thanks in advance, :) Olena Sullivan New Mediatrix www.olena.ca -- From poliva at cox.net Sun Sep 8 20:16:01 2002 From: poliva at cox.net (Pablo Oliva) Date: Sun Sep 8 20:16:01 2002 Subject: [thelist] php mail problem... someone please shoot me! Message-ID: <000b01c2579e$6908aa20$6a6c0444@cr8tivewerk> Here is my error: Warning: Failed to Connect in c:\apache\htdocs\jotr\scripts\processcompsignup.php on line 43 NOT Sent Here are my php.ini directives: SMTP = localhost sendmail_from = poliva at cox.net I am running PostCast Server, an SMTP server, on a winXP machine. Here is my code: $to = 'poliva at cox.net'; $subject = 'Jobs on the Road email verification'; $message = 'test'; if ( mail( $to, $subject, $message ) ) { print 'Sent'; } else { print 'NOT Sent'; } As you can see, very straight forward, but it doesn't work. I know that it is not a problem with PostCast because I sent an email out via my email client using my local SMTP server. Does anyone have any ideas? I have tried just about everything. From cd-ml at aardvark.net.au Sun Sep 8 22:08:02 2002 From: cd-ml at aardvark.net.au (Craig) Date: Sun Sep 8 22:08:02 2002 Subject: [thelist] ASP + fileSystemObject + IIS5 References: Message-ID: <002301c257ae$1e3aa100$1debdccb@maximo> Are you running Norton Antivirus 2002? If so, disable "Script Blocking". Craig. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Hepi" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 6:18 AM Subject: [thelist] ASP + fileSystemObject + IIS5 > Hi All, > > Can anyone help me to get the fileSystemObject working correctly with IIS5. > I've tried giving full access permissions to IUSR_MyMachineName for the > folder in which I want write to an existing XML file - but I'm still getting > the same response ... which appears to be nothing followed by a timeout. > > This is the code from my ASP page: > > > > Dim xmlStr > > xmlStr = "" > xmlStr = xmlStr & vbCrLf & "" > xmlStr = xmlStr & vbCrLf & "example data" > xmlStr = xmlStr & vbCrLf & "" > > > Set fs = server.CreateObject("scripting.FilesystemObject") > Set newXML = > fs.CreateTextFile("http://localhost/dev/client/asp/xml/timetable.xml", true) > newXML.write(xmlStr) > newXML.close > > Set fs = Nothing > > > > Any help greatly appreciated, > > Jason > > > -- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! >