From mark at markgroen.com  Mon Nov 10 00:55:51 2003
From: mark at markgroen.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:55:51 -0800
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
References: <20031109223445.12514.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c3a757$adf65060$6401a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: November 09, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..


> --- James Parsons <jp at batworks.com> wrote:
> > Tom puzzles...
>
> > >I have a strange thing happening with my IE on winXP. I've run
> > >ad-aware and a full virus scan which has turned up nothing.
> > >http://www.pixelmech.com/review/ieThing.gif
> > >
> > >What happens is that a IE window spawns of *its own accord.*

You need something a little more than just msconfig to find this
mal-ware installed on your machine, I've used this persons' registry
software for a few years now and it really is the best at finding
*everything* that is installed, cleaning out programs, handling the
start-up functions, etc:

http://www.jv16.org/

30 day trail, enough to get rid of your problem and worth paying for the
future imho especially if you're interested in having more control. You
may even get lucky and the "Acme Browser" jerks have named their files
similar enough to spot easily.

Regards,

          Mark Groen

MG Web Services
Web Site Hosting and Development
www.markgroen.com
mark at markgroen.com
604-780-6917
Bowen Island, Canada


From kr43m0r at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 01:19:07 2003
From: kr43m0r at earthlink.net (Lonnie)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:19:07 -0600
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
References: <20031109223445.12514.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>
	<003e01c3a757$adf65060$6401a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <019401c3a75a$ee092da0$6401a8c0@yoda>

> You need something a little more than just msconfig to find this
> mal-ware installed on your machine,

Mark,

What makes you think that Tom's computer has been invaded by your so-called
"mal-ware"? If you can't corroborate his symptoms with a specific invader,
what makes you think he'll want to install yet another unknown utility?

The way I read your post - it's Spam - complete with misspellings (30 day
trail) - YUP, it's a trail!



From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 01:24:42 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:24:42 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Mailto Question LATE REPLY
In-Reply-To: <3FAD7EBE.90405@bath.ac.uk>
References: <463aec46578e.46578e463aec@optonline.net>
 <3FAD7EBE.90405@bath.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031110071914.0249bdf0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 23:39 08/11/2003, Simon Willison wrote
>live4bacon at optonline.net wrote:
>
>>Hi all, I have a client that is tired of recieving spam to their
>>"info@" address, yet they still want a visitor to clicke a link and
>>have an e-mail open with a correct "To" address filled in for them.
>>Any suggestions on thwarting the spammers?

the function:

<script language="JavaScript">
<!--

var lhs = "antispamjavafailed";
var rhs = "fbr.nildram.co.uk";

function print_mail_to_link()
{
    document.write("<A HREF=\"mailto");
    document.write(":" + lhs + "@");
    document.write(rhs + "\">" + lhs + "@" + rhs + "<\/a>");
}

//-->
</script>

call it with this:

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
    print_mail_to_link()
</script>

FB 


From S.Denslow at chgl.com  Mon Nov 10 03:25:32 2003
From: S.Denslow at chgl.com (Stuart Denslow)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:25:32 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Email newsletters
Message-ID: <39FE7B4A33ADD5119E0000508BDCCFF8B03469@MAIL>

Hi
 
A quick question regarding email newsletters. A site I run sends out a
weekly newsletter to subscribers. Most of these work in government health
departments and we are finding the newsletter is being blocked by a lot of
corporate spam filters - I'm guessing that this is on the grounds of the
number of links it contains (its sent individually to each subscriber and as
plain text) 
 
My question is, is it bad 'etiquette' (for want of a better word) to email
the people who's newsletters are being blocked, asking them to have a word
with their IT administrator to allow it??

Stuart Denslow


From john at johnallsopp.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 05:47:29 2003
From: john at johnallsopp.co.uk (john at johnallsopp.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 06:47:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request
Message-ID: <50136.135.196.95.248.1068464849.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>

Hi

I'm new to Flash and it's Monday morning, so things aren't looking good.

I want to make a small Flash movie a link in my web page but it's not
working. The movie's displaying, but it's not a link. I've replaced the
whole Flash stuff with an img and that works, so the link part is working.

Is it that objects can't be links or something? So can't I create a flash
movie that's a link? Or do I have to do it from within Flash, within the
movie?

Here's what I've got:

<a href="myPage.php4">
 <OBJECT classid= etc>
  <PARAM NAME=movie VALUE="myMovie.swf">
  <PARAM NAME=quality VALUE=high>
  <PARAM NAME=bgcolor VALUE=#166993>
  <EMBED src="myMovie.swf" quality=high bgcolor=#166993  WIDTH="450"
HEIGHT="40" NAME="newsflash" ALIGN="left"
TYPE="application/x-shockwave-flash"
PLUGINSPAGE="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer">
  </EMBED>
 </OBJECT>
</a>

Cheers
J



From jan at artmiks.nl  Mon Nov 10 05:36:13 2003
From: jan at artmiks.nl (jan guichelaar [artmiks])
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:36:13 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request
References: <50136.135.196.95.248.1068464849.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <003a01c3a77e$d8faaa50$1001a8c0@janpc>

You have to make a button in flash and put the link in there
Flash Objects cant be links

jan


jan at artmiks.nl

====================
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====================
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----- Original Message -----
From: <john at johnallsopp.co.uk>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request


> Hi
>
> I'm new to Flash and it's Monday morning, so things aren't looking good.
>
> I want to make a small Flash movie a link in my web page but it's not
> working. The movie's displaying, but it's not a link. I've replaced the
> whole Flash stuff with an img and that works, so the link part is working.
>
> Is it that objects can't be links or something? So can't I create a flash
> movie that's a link? Or do I have to do it from within Flash, within the
> movie?
>
> Here's what I've got:
>
> <a href="myPage.php4">
>  <OBJECT classid= etc>
>   <PARAM NAME=movie VALUE="myMovie.swf">
>   <PARAM NAME=quality VALUE=high>
>   <PARAM NAME=bgcolor VALUE=#166993>
>   <EMBED src="myMovie.swf" quality=high bgcolor=#166993  WIDTH="450"
> HEIGHT="40" NAME="newsflash" ALIGN="left"
> TYPE="application/x-shockwave-flash"
> PLUGINSPAGE="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer">
>   </EMBED>
>  </OBJECT>
> </a>
>
> Cheers
> J
>
>
> --
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> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>
>


From mikek at brightstorm.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 05:39:56 2003
From: mikek at brightstorm.co.uk (mike karthauser)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:39:56 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request
In-Reply-To: <50136.135.196.95.248.1068464849.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BBD5298C.21CE0%mikek@brightstorm.co.uk>

on 10/11/03 11:47 am, john at johnallsopp.co.uk at john at johnallsopp.co.uk
wrote:

> Is it that objects can't be links or something? So can't I create a flash
> movie that's a link? Or do I have to do it from within Flash, within the
> movie?

You cant wrap <a></a> round a flash movie in the same way you cant with a
quicktime movie. You have to make your link in flash.


-- 
Mike Karthauser 
Managing Director - Brightstorm Ltd

Email       >> mikek at brightstorm.co.uk
Web         >> http://www.brightstorm.co.uk
Tel         >> 0117 9426653 (office)
               07939 252144 (mobile)

Snailmail   >> Unit 8, 14 King Square,
               Bristol BS2 8JJ


From evolt at david.us-lot.org  Mon Nov 10 05:42:03 2003
From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:42:03 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request
In-Reply-To: <50136.135.196.95.248.1068464849.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E78CC8E2-1372-11D8-85D1-000A957E4F00@david.us-lot.org>

On Monday, Nov 10, 2003, at 11:47 Europe/London, 
<john at johnallsopp.co.uk> wrote:
> I want to make a small Flash movie a link in my web page but it's not
> working. The movie's displaying, but it's not a link. I've replaced the
> whole Flash stuff with an img and that works, so the link part is 
> working.
>
> Is it that objects can't be links or something?

Some objects certainly can't, I don't know about all objects. What does 
the HTML validator say about <object> inside <a>?

> So can't I create a flash movie that's a link?

Correct, flash steals the click (either acting on it, or dropping it on 
the floor) before it gets to the anchor.

> Or do I have to do it from within Flash, within the movie?
>
Yes... although its usually a bad idea to use flash for links. Its 
unfriendly to Google, not everyone has the plugin (or could use it if 
they did), etc. Your circumstances may be unusual though.

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


From brian at hondaswap.com  Mon Nov 10 05:44:53 2003
From: brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 06:44:53 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request
References: <50136.135.196.95.248.1068464849.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00b601c3a780$0fa52700$640110ac@americancustomercare.com>

you have to make the link in flash itself.  you can't make an object have an HREF
valve.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <john at johnallsopp.co.uk>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:47 AM
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request


> Hi
>
> I'm new to Flash and it's Monday morning, so things aren't looking good.
>
> I want to make a small Flash movie a link in my web page but it's not
> working. The movie's displaying, but it's not a link. I've replaced the
> whole Flash stuff with an img and that works, so the link part is working.
>
> Is it that objects can't be links or something? So can't I create a flash
> movie that's a link? Or do I have to do it from within Flash, within the
> movie?
>
> Here's what I've got:
>
> <a href="myPage.php4">
>  <OBJECT classid= etc>
>   <PARAM NAME=movie VALUE="myMovie.swf">
>   <PARAM NAME=quality VALUE=high>
>   <PARAM NAME=bgcolor VALUE=#166993>
>   <EMBED src="myMovie.swf" quality=high bgcolor=#166993  WIDTH="450"
> HEIGHT="40" NAME="newsflash" ALIGN="left"
> TYPE="application/x-shockwave-flash"
> PLUGINSPAGE="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer">
>   </EMBED>
>  </OBJECT>
> </a>
>
> Cheers
> J
>
>
> -- 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>
>


From ben.morrison at dogstardesign.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 05:43:30 2003
From: ben.morrison at dogstardesign.co.uk (Ben Morrison)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:43:30 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request
In-Reply-To: <50136.135.196.95.248.1068464849.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BBD52A62.B832%ben.morrison@dogstardesign.co.uk>

On 10/11/03 11:47 am, "john at johnallsopp.co.uk" <john at johnallsopp.co.uk>
wrote:

> Is it that objects can't be links or something? So can't I create a flash
> movie that's a link? Or do I have to do it from within Flash, within the
> movie?

Yes you need to do it from within flash.

Make a new button symbol. Only draw in the over/hit state - which will give
you a transparent button.

Now place this button over the intended link, click on the button instance.

Open the actions panel.

on (release) {
    getURL("http://www.mydomain.com/mylink.htm")
}

Now export your movie.

Hope that helps.

ben



From john at johnallsopp.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 06:19:28 2003
From: john at johnallsopp.co.uk (john at johnallsopp.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:19:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request SORTED
In-Reply-To: <BBD52A62.B832%ben.morrison@dogstardesign.co.uk>
References: <50136.135.196.95.248.1068464849.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>
        <BBD52A62.B832%ben.morrison@dogstardesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <50062.135.196.95.248.1068466768.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>

Thanks Ben and everyone, I'll give that a go.

Best regards
J

> Make a new button symbol. Only draw in the over/hit state - which will
> give you a transparent button.
>
> Now place this button over the intended link, click on the button
> instance.
>
> Open the actions panel.
>
> on (release) {
>     getURL("http://www.mydomain.com/mylink.htm")
> }
>
> Now export your movie.




From JCone at municode.com  Mon Nov 10 06:02:46 2003
From: JCone at municode.com (Jonathan Cone)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:02:46 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Regex and converting HTML tags to lower case
Message-ID: <77025926DDD85A4D886C5B8A34E43E74210F5D@exchange.internal.municode.com>

>I can identify the tags in regex, but I cannot find any online examples of 
>using that info to convert the tags to lower case.
>
>Can anyone help me?  Is it possible to do what I'm trying to accomplish 
>with regex?
>

Bruce,
	DevGuru is a very helpful link with asp code.  This link is the page on RegEx and should be what your looking for.  

http://www.devguru.com/Technologies/vbscript/quickref/regexp.html

It looks like what you need is the .Replace method.  
In your code you would possibly want to do something like this:

strOutput = objRegExp.Replace (objRegExp.Match, lcase(objRegExp.Match))

or something along those lines.  You'll have to check that link and check the syntax (shooting off the cuff with it)

Hope that helps,
		Jonathan

From jan at artmiks.nl  Mon Nov 10 06:18:58 2003
From: jan at artmiks.nl (jan guichelaar [artmiks])
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:18:58 +0100
Subject: [thelist] sending vars to php-page
Message-ID: <001701c3a784$d1b2bf20$1001a8c0@janpc>



Hi all

Sometime i see a url like this :

// test.php?1234567890

Instead of :

// test.php?id=1234567890


Does anybody knows how this works,
or how you can read this vars without knowing their name?

thanx

jan





jan at artmiks.nl

====================
Artmiks [image builders]
http://www.artmiks.nl
====================
recent projects
http://www.kluun.nl
http://www.marryyourpet.com
http://www.wereldpost.nl
http://www.margeting.nl
====================

From worte at gmx.at  Mon Nov 10 06:21:28 2003
From: worte at gmx.at (worte at gmx.at)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:21:28 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [thelist] Re: Email newsletters
References: <20031110120153.13718gmx1@mx014.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1577.1068466888@www51.gmx.net>

Stuart Denslow wrote:
> My question is, is it bad 'etiquette' (for want of a better word) to email
> the people who's newsletters are being blocked, asking them to have a word
> with their IT administrator to allow it??

I don't know about etiquette. But you want to reach your subscribers, you
don't want to make them work for it! They don't know about technical details
anyway, so the most they'd do is forward your letter to the tech department.
It's more efficient to contact the IT administrators directly. They're the ones
that can tell you why your mailings are blocked, and what you (or they) can
do about it. 


Matthias

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From asegu at borg.darktech.org  Mon Nov 10 06:55:56 2003
From: asegu at borg.darktech.org (Andrew Seguin)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:55:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] sending vars to php-page
In-Reply-To: <001701c3a784$d1b2bf20$1001a8c0@janpc>
References: <001701c3a784$d1b2bf20$1001a8c0@janpc>
Message-ID: <1297.69.28.224.53.1068468956.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>

The trick for that is you have to read through the keys of $_GET rather
then the values.

array_keys() could help you somewhat there, as it returns the array of all
keys:
  addr.php?1234 =>
    $_GET == Array('1234' => '');
    array_keys($_GET) == Array(0 => '1234');

If you know exactly what key you want (maybe passing a language flag '?en'
or '?fr' to a template, then you can test directly if it is set or not:
    is_set($_GET['en']) //english.
    is_set($_GET['fr']) //french.
is_set works, empty would not as the value is empty.

Hope this helps,
Andrew

>
>
> Hi all
>
> Sometime i see a url like this :
>
> // test.php?1234567890
>
> Instead of :
>
> // test.php?id=1234567890
>
>
> Does anybody knows how this works,
> or how you can read this vars without knowing their name?
>
> thanx
>
> jan
>
>
>
>
>
> jan at artmiks.nl
>
> ===================Artmiks [image builders]
> http://www.artmiks.nl
> ===================recent projects
> http://www.kluun.nl
> http://www.marryyourpet.com
> http://www.wereldpost.nl
> http://www.margeting.nl
> ===================--
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
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>
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> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>
>


From jan at artmiks.nl  Mon Nov 10 07:28:13 2003
From: jan at artmiks.nl (jan guichelaar [artmiks])
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:28:13 +0100
Subject: [thelist] sending vars to php-page
References: <001701c3a784$d1b2bf20$1001a8c0@janpc>
	<1297.69.28.224.53.1068468956.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>
Message-ID: <003a01c3a78e$7e3987c0$1001a8c0@janpc>

thanx Andrew
The  $_GET array is what i was looking for


jan at artmiks.nl

====================
Artmiks [image builders]
http://www.artmiks.nl
====================
recent projects
http://www.kluun.nl
http://www.marryyourpet.com
http://www.wereldpost.nl
http://www.margeting.nl
====================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Seguin" <asegu at borg.darktech.org>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] sending vars to php-page


> The trick for that is you have to read through the keys of $_GET rather
> then the values.
>
> array_keys() could help you somewhat there, as it returns the array of all
> keys:
>   addr.php?1234 =>
>     $_GET == Array('1234' => '');
>     array_keys($_GET) == Array(0 => '1234');
>
> If you know exactly what key you want (maybe passing a language flag '?en'
> or '?fr' to a template, then you can test directly if it is set or not:
>     is_set($_GET['en']) //english.
>     is_set($_GET['fr']) //french.
> is_set works, empty would not as the value is empty.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Andrew
>
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Sometime i see a url like this :
> >
> > // test.php?1234567890
> >
> > Instead of :
> >
> > // test.php?id=1234567890
> >
> >
> > Does anybody knows how this works,
> > or how you can read this vars without knowing their name?
> >
> > thanx
> >
> > jan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > jan at artmiks.nl
> >
> > ===================Artmiks [image builders]
> > http://www.artmiks.nl
> > ===================recent projects
> > http://www.kluun.nl
> > http://www.marryyourpet.com
> > http://www.wereldpost.nl
> > http://www.margeting.nl
> > ===================--
> > * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> >
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> > Workers of the Web, evolt !
> >
> >
>
> --
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>
>


From holmegm at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 07:49:56 2003
From: holmegm at comcast.net (holmegm at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:49:56 +0000
Subject: Fear-mongering was [thelist] odd IE worm or something.
Message-ID: <111020031349.23915.5205@comcast.net>

"Lonnie" <kr43m0r at earthlink.net> wrote:

>I had hoped that emails I receive from professional lists such as this would
>not contain the sort of fear-mongering crap that is usally spread by newbies
>who blindly "send this to everyone you know in your email address book" -
>then compromise ALL their friends' email addresses by stacking them all into
>the To: field of one email.

Er, the Messenger Service being abused is real, and I experienced it long
before there were any headlines.  I did finally figure out that it was a
service and needed to be disabled in Services.

IF that was what Tom was suffering from, the news articles actually probably 
would have helped him.  

Word-splitting aside, yeah, I'd consider it an exploit that anybody could just 
suddenly open windows with arbitrary content on my PC.  Comparing it to spam is 
like comparing telemarketing to some process by which my phone can be made to 
levitate, grow a loudspeaker, and shout ads into my living room whether I answer
it or not.  There is no particular reason that consumers should have had that 
service enabled by default, and have to figure out what an open port is, what a 
windows service is, etc.

-- 
Greg Holmes


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 07:54:24 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 05:54:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
In-Reply-To: <003e01c3a757$adf65060$6401a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <20031110135424.37582.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Mark Groen <mark at markgroen.com> wrote:

> You need something a little more than just msconfig to find this
> mal-ware installed on your machine, I've used this persons'
> registry software for a few years now and it really is the best
> http://www.jv16.org/

Thanks Mark, I'll try that this evening.

> You may even get lucky and the "Acme Browser" jerks have named
their
> files similar enough to spot easily.

LOL - oh I better explain something. The "Acme Browser" thing is from
ME. I changed the browser title from "Microsoft Internet Explorer" to
"Acme Browser Explosion Dept." with TweakUI (or some such tool). It's
just the browser title. :)

I think the window they spawn itself has no title other than "==-" or
somesuch.

Tom


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From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 10 08:39:13 2003
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:39:13 +0000
Subject: [thelist] IE 6.05 news (?)
Message-ID: <Sea2-F54c00goZolmRB00033726@hotmail.com>


I just read this piece

http://www.winnetmag.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/40785/windowspaulthurrott_40785.html

on a Windows online magazine, which says that Explorer 6.05 will be released 
in the first half of 2004. It will have some security patches, and it will 
(according to this article) definitely include popup blocking.

The most interesting point, however, is that this short note does not 
mention the famous Eolas Plugin Alert at all. I've said it before and I'll 
say it again: I do not believe that Microsoft will include this alert in a 
real Explorer version, because such an action would be impossible to explain 
to the average user.

For what it's worth,

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From mark at markgroen.com  Mon Nov 10 09:05:44 2003
From: mark at markgroen.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:05:44 -0800
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
References: 	<20031109223445.12514.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com><003e01c3a757$adf65060$6401a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
	<019401c3a75a$ee092da0$6401a8c0@yoda>
Message-ID: <002701c3a79c$1e0b4e20$6401a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: November 09, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..


> > You need something a little more than just msconfig to find this
> > mal-ware installed on your machine,
>
> Mark,
>
> What makes you think that Tom's computer has been invaded by your
so-called
> "mal-ware"? If you can't corroborate his symptoms with a specific
invader,
> what makes you think he'll want to install yet another unknown
utility?

As far as my email being spam, I've used his software for things like
this that don't show up in msconfig or are not easily found in the
registry - which is what Tom is looking for as far as I can tell. The
appy used to be free when he was developing it, but it's good enough to
sell imho and he thinks so too obviously. I don't know the guy and am
not affiliated etc., it's just good stuff.

As far as what makes me think it's something that this appy will find?
It's because I've seen the same thing before, and although I can't tell
Tom a specific registry key or file name, maybe you can help him
yourself instead of just contributing a flame to this thread?

cheers,

        Mark



From guy at holler.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 09:53:55 2003
From: guy at holler.co.uk (Guy Bowden)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:53:55 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Job based in London
In-Reply-To: <002701c3a79c$1e0b4e20$6401a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <004301c3a7a2$dbaaa4c0$0c00a8c0@HollerNet.local>

Hi,

My company is looking for a new person, if anyone is interested, please read
on..

Cheers,

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-------------------

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You must be proficient in Interface design and animation, Flash
Actionscript, Dynamic HTML (CSS/HTML/Javascript) and have experience
integrating a flash/HTML front end with back end technologies such as Flash
Remoting, PHP, XML, ASP, SQL.

Knowledge of Director a bonus.

We require someone with at least 1 years commercial experience, please send
your cv and example URLs to : jobs at holler.co.uk.
plain text only, no attachments.

www.holler.co.uk



From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 09:59:56 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:59:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] architecture question
Message-ID: <20031110155956.10372.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi folks,

We have an interesting archtecture for our main site here and I was
wondering if someone could elaborate on whether it was a good, bad or
indifferent type of thing, and if it is common or not.

Things are divided into two groups. On a Weblogic server (the App
server we call it) are jsp pages and associated java files, etc. The
pages are actually .html pages that get processed into jsps (that
part I don't know much about) after some processing for various
things.

On the other side is an IIS web server that serves up all the images,
PDFs and some static files.

I'm wondering why the split, if it makes sense and so on. I've gotten
a couple of half-baked explanations here which did not make sense.

Tom 

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From marcan at home.se  Mon Nov 10 10:19:14 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:19:14 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] architecture question
In-Reply-To: <20031110155956.10372.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3a7a6$625d5780$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>

Maybe they just want to relieve the app server from serving static files
(which is actually quite common) and let it focus on the stuff it's
there for, that is, creating dynamic content for your site. Weblogic is
quite expensive so if you remove handling of static stuff from it I
guess you can get more dynamic content for the money (less number of
servers). Btw, are you using EJBs or something else that requires a full
J2EE container such as Weblogic?

/Marcus

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Till: thelist at lists.evolt.org
?mne: [thelist] architecture question


Hi folks,

We have an interesting archtecture for our main site here and I was
wondering if someone could elaborate on whether it was a good, bad or
indifferent type of thing, and if it is common or not.

Things are divided into two groups. On a Weblogic server (the App server
we call it) are jsp pages and associated java files, etc. The pages are
actually .html pages that get processed into jsps (that part I don't
know much about) after some processing for various things.

On the other side is an IIS web server that serves up all the images,
PDFs and some static files.

I'm wondering why the split, if it makes sense and so on. I've gotten a
couple of half-baked explanations here which did not make sense.

Tom 

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 10:23:53 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:23:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SV: [thelist] architecture question
In-Reply-To: <000401c3a7a6$625d5780$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>
Message-ID: <20031110162353.25361.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Marcus Andersson <marcan at home.se> wrote:
> Maybe they just want to relieve the app server from serving static
> files (which is actually quite common) and let it focus on the 
> stuff it's there for, that is, creating dynamic content for your 
> site. Weblogic is quite expensive so if you remove handling of 
> static stuff from it I guess you can get more dynamic content for 
> the money (less number of
> servers). Btw, are you using EJBs or something else that requires a
> full J2EE container such as Weblogic?

Okay that makes some sense and I think that's something along the
lines of what I had been told, now that I think about it. I'm not
sure on the EJB thing, I don't have full access to the system. But I
know we have some fairly sophisticated stuff going on.

Tom

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From jabber at raditha.com  Mon Nov 10 10:31:08 2003
From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:31:08 +0600
Subject: SV: [thelist] architecture question
In-Reply-To: <000401c3a7a6$625d5780$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>
References: <000401c3a7a6$625d5780$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>
Message-ID: <3FAFBD4C.2020900@raditha.com>

Hi,

I read an interesting stat some where that most companies that buy very 
expensive app servers only use the servlet container in the end. :-)


Marcus Andersson wrote:

>Maybe they just want to relieve the app server from serving static files
>(which is actually quite common) and let it focus on the stuff it's
>there for, that is, creating dynamic content for your site. Weblogic is
>quite expensive so if you remove handling of static stuff from it I
>guess you can get more dynamic content for the money (less number of
>servers). Btw, are you using EJBs or something else that requires a full
>J2EE container such as Weblogic?
>
>/Marcus
>
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Fr?n: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] F?r Tom Dell'Aringa
>Skickat: den 10 november 2003 17:00
>Till: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>?mne: [thelist] architecture question
>
>
>Hi folks,
>
>We have an interesting archtecture for our main site here and I was
>wondering if someone could elaborate on whether it was a good, bad or
>indifferent type of thing, and if it is common or not.
>
>Things are divided into two groups. On a Weblogic server (the App server
>we call it) are jsp pages and associated java files, etc. The pages are
>actually .html pages that get processed into jsps (that part I don't
>know much about) after some processing for various things.
>
>On the other side is an IIS web server that serves up all the images,
>PDFs and some static files.
>
>I'm wondering why the split, if it makes sense and so on. I've gotten a
>couple of half-baked explanations here which did not make sense.
>
>Tom 
>
>=====
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>
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>  
>


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From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Mon Nov 10 10:54:04 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:54:04 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Wingdings on Submit Buttons?
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E519D@smtmb.tmc.local>

Hi,

Has anyone had experience with adding symbols provided by wingdings (other?)
on submit buttons?

I could simply do two little images and throw in an OnMouseDown script, but
wanted something simpler.

TIA,

Rob Smith

From mikek at brightstorm.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 11:30:59 2003
From: mikek at brightstorm.co.uk (mike karthauser)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:30:59 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Wingdings on Submit Buttons?
In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E519D@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <BBD57BD3.21FED%mikek@brightstorm.co.uk>

on 10/11/03 4:54 pm, Rob Smith at rob.smith at THERMON.com wrote:

> Has anyone had experience with adding symbols provided by wingdings (other?)
> on submit buttons?

Only works if your users have the right font - set it on a style sheet.
 
> I could simply do two little images and throw in an OnMouseDown script, but
> wanted something simpler.

The best way if you want to ensure cross platform compatibility.

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From evolt at pixelwright.com  Mon Nov 10 11:58:41 2003
From: evolt at pixelwright.com (James Aylard)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:58:41 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Wingdings on Submit Buttons?
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E519D@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <00b601c3a7b4$473c9390$5360398a@newcos.com>

Rob Smith wrote:

> Has anyone had experience with adding symbols provided by wingdings
> (other?) on submit buttons?

    If this is on an Intranet where you are confident users will have the
Wingdings font installed, this will work (by applying Wingdings as the
font-family for the button-type input or button element). But I wouldn't
recommend it on the open Internet, as some visitors to your page may not
have the font installed and will likely be confused by the odd characters on
the button.

James Aylard


From k.neirynck at belgacom.net  Mon Nov 10 12:53:19 2003
From: k.neirynck at belgacom.net (Kristof Neirynck)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:53:19 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Wingdings on Submit Buttons?
In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E519D@smtmb.tmc.local>
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E519D@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <3FAFDE9F.9070403@belgacom.net>

Rob Smith wrote:

> Has anyone had experience with adding symbols provided by wingdings (other?)
> on submit buttons?

*NOOO!!*
NEVER use fantasy fonts for such important things as submit buttons.
I will not explain this any further

> I could simply do two little images and throw in an OnMouseDown script, but
> wanted something simpler.

*NOOOOOO!!!*
NEVER use OnMouseDown for forms.
There is such a thing as onsubmit and onreset.

I hope you get the subtle hints.

You could just replace your submit button with this
<input type="image" alt="submit" src="image.png" />

Read this for reference
<http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/forms/imagebutton.html>


Kristof


From edwards at vitesse.com  Mon Nov 10 13:15:04 2003
From: edwards at vitesse.com (Carl Edwards)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:15:04 -0800
Subject: [thelist] htdig
Message-ID: <6E9FB6B656E007438A624FD5D7609C1DB8E126@MX-CAM.vsc.vitesse.com>

Hello,

We use it for our intranet and public web site.

I am very happy with it and the email list is very
responsive to questions.

Email me directly if you want to discuss in more
detail.

-Carl Edwards
 Vitesse


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> From: Diane Soini [mailto:dianesoini at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:06 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] htdig
> 
> 
> I've been researching and testing htdig. Does anyone have experience 
> with it they could share with me? 
> 
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From jpeth at mac.com  Mon Nov 10 13:25:00 2003
From: jpeth at mac.com (J. Anthony Peth)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:25:00 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Quick Flash/link request
In-Reply-To: <BBD52A62.B832%ben.morrison@dogstardesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BBD5260C.85CC%jpeth@mac.com>

> Make a new button symbol. Only draw in the over/hit state - which will give
> you a transparent button.

My thoughts exactly, except just the hit state is needed. Leave the over
state blank.

Just cover your whole flash movie with a big rectangular button!


From Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com  Mon Nov 10 14:27:01 2003
From: Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com (Tab Alleman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:27:01 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Native website authentication - IIS 5
Message-ID: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C972AF6CB@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>

Remember me?  Well...

Ken Schaefer wrote:
> Native Authentication? You mean authenticating using Windows
> usernames/passwords? If so, in the IIS Manager, uncheck "Allow
> Anonymous Authentication", and enable one or more of the other
> options. Integrated Windows Authentication only works for IE clients.
> Basic works for almost all clients, but is relatively insecure (ie
> consider using SSL as well). 

Ok, I did this, using Integrated Windows Authentication, and when I go
to the site in IE, I get the pop-up, and I login with what should be
correct information.  But when I click ok, I get a Cannot find server or
DNS Error page.  Any ideas why?

From dave at dbmdata.com  Mon Nov 10 14:31:05 2003
From: dave at dbmdata.com (David Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:31:05 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript redirect in frame in IE
In-Reply-To: <BBD5260C.85CC%jpeth@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3a7c9$913dfe10$6501a8c0@opr>

Here's the scenario. We have a frameset, within the frameset (in the 3rd
frame) there is a link that pops up a JavaScript confirm, notifying the
user if the navigate away from this page data in form fields will be
lost. If they click ok, I want to load the new page within the same
frame. The code works in Moz, but in IE does nothing - no errors,
nothing. I've tried 100 different ways of doing this but IE just sits
there quietly refusing to cooperate. 

Here's the function call:

<a href="javascript:void(0);" onClick="confirmSA('1', '0',
'0');">[SELECT ADDRESS (Optional)]</a>

Here's the function:

function confirmSA(ft, fi, edit)
{
	var conf = confirm("NOTE: All unsaved form data will be lost if
you proceed.");
	if (conf)
	{
		var url = 'formsmanagement.asp?formtype=' + ft +
'&mode=1		&ref=form&fi=' + fi + '&edit=' + edit;		
		parent.window.frames[2].document.location.href = url;
		
	}
}


Any ideas? (note the word wrap in the url in above function - not
actually there in the code...)

Thanks,

Dave


From mark at safefrombees.com  Mon Nov 10 16:32:00 2003
From: mark at safefrombees.com (Mark M)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:32:00 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Wingdings on Submit Buttons?
In-Reply-To: <3FAFDE9F.9070403@belgacom.net>
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E519D@smtmb.tmc.local>
	<3FAFDE9F.9070403@belgacom.net>
Message-ID: <1068503520.3fb011e0bf53c@postoffice.tpg.com.au>

I use webdings on submits - but I do mainly work on an intranet ;o) so I KNOW everyone has 
the font.

Easier way is apply the a style to the button that has a 'background-image' with the image 
you want (and probably set the width and high of the button too).

That way you still get that nice 'click' effect.

HTH

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Quoting Kristof Neirynck <k.neirynck at belgacom.net>:

> Rob Smith wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone had experience with adding symbols provided by wingdings
> (other?)
> > on submit buttons?
> 
> *NOOO!!*
> NEVER use fantasy fonts for such important things as submit buttons.
> I will not explain this any further
> 
> > I could simply do two little images and throw in an OnMouseDown script,
> but
> > wanted something simpler.
> 
> *NOOOOOO!!!*
> NEVER use OnMouseDown for forms.
> There is such a thing as onsubmit and onreset.
> 
> I hope you get the subtle hints.
> 
> You could just replace your submit button with this
> <input type="image" alt="submit" src="image.png" />
> 
> Read this for reference
> <http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/forms/imagebutton.html>
> 
> 
> Kristof
> 
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From John.Brooking at sappi.com  Mon Nov 10 16:41:21 2003
From: John.Brooking at sappi.com (John.Brooking at sappi.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:41:21 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Login Screen Security?
Message-ID: <471E425A0BB6D211972C00105AC954240556C3C0@soportland.na.sappi.com>

Howdy, all,

   Please pardon another couple of semi-newbie security questions from me.
(I'm beginning to feel that you can probably track my coding progress by the
questions I'm asking at the time.)

   So I've added some security to my app, based on having a file of
usernames and encrypted
passwords. Two questions:

*	Is the Perl "crypt" function (which says it works exactly like the
crypt(3) function in the C library) a sufficient means of encrypting the
password? I'm letting the administrator set a "salt" value in the software
configuration file, and when a password comes in from the login screen, I
encrypt it with the same "salt" and compare the result to the encrypted
value in the users file. Sound okay?
*	If my login screen is not going through an SSL layer, is that a
hole? Because it seems to me that if a cracker was sniffing the line, and
saw a POST request from a page called login.html, with parameters of
"username" and "password", in plain text, what is to stop him (or her) from
then going to the site and logging himself in with the same username and
password? (Or I could call the page and the parameters something different
to be misleading, but that would be "security by obscurity", right?)

- John
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From paul at teltest.com  Mon Nov 10 17:16:26 2003
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:16:26 +1300
Subject: [thelist] [tip] stop servers caching your dynamic pages
Message-ID: <3FB01C4A.7030004@teltest.com>

<tip type="stopping browser / server cache">
Aside from the nocache and expiry headers / meta tags, if you do not 
want servers (like WAP gateways) or browsers (like WAP browsers) to 
serve cached files from an application, add something like this to the 
end of your url (PHP)
$url = '.....&amp;nocache='.rand ().'">Get me a new page</a>';

This will guarantee that the browser / gateway actually does request the 
page to be processed.

(Unless the random string is the same as last time but it has worked 
flawlessly for me so far ;) )
</tip>

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From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 17:32:19 2003
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:32:19 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Simple XPath question
Message-ID: <3FB02003.7070203@fstorr.demon.co.uk>

Hi all

How do I get hold of this <emp>element</emp> in this code:

<para>
Please note that company toilets are now <emp>strictly out of 
bounds</emp> for fishing expeditions.
</para>

I can transform the para element fine, but can't seem to get that <emp> 
to be styled inline with its surrounding <para> content.

The whole thing is wrapped in:

<article>
   <title>Some title here</title>
     <content>
	<para>
Please note that company toilets are now <emp>strictly out of 
bounds</emp> for fishing expeditions.
	</para>
      </content>
</article>

I'm transforming the para with:

<xsl:template match="para">
	<p><xsl:value-of select="."/></p>
</xsl:template>

Help!

Thanks

Francis




From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Mon Nov 10 18:05:40 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:05:40 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Native website authentication - IIS 5
References: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C972AF6CB@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>
Message-ID: <018601c3a7e7$8ad6e910$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Tab Alleman" <Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com>
Subject: RE: [thelist] Native website authentication - IIS 5


Remember me?  Well...

Ken Schaefer wrote:
> Native Authentication? You mean authenticating using Windows
> usernames/passwords? If so, in the IIS Manager, uncheck "Allow
> Anonymous Authentication", and enable one or more of the other
> options. Integrated Windows Authentication only works for IE clients.
> Basic works for almost all clients, but is relatively insecure (ie
> consider using SSL as well).

Ok, I did this, using Integrated Windows Authentication, and when I go
to the site in IE, I get the pop-up, and I login with what should be
correct information.  But when I click ok, I get a Cannot find server or
DNS Error page.  Any ideas why?
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That indicates that the browser cannot contact the server - are you doing
some kind of redirect on the server that's going to some other address or
port that the browser cannot reach?

(I the browser can contact the server, and receive a response, then you
should see a HTTP status code down the bottom, eg 403.1 Not Authorized or
500 Internel Server Error rather than "Cannot find server or DNS error")

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)


From mark at safefrombees.com  Mon Nov 10 18:15:56 2003
From: mark at safefrombees.com (Mark M)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:15:56 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Simple XPath question
In-Reply-To: <3FB02003.7070203@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
References: <3FB02003.7070203@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1068509756.3fb02a3c7627c@postoffice.tpg.com.au>

Stupid question - 

> <article>
>    <title>Some title here</title>
>      <content>
> 	<para>
> Please note that company toilets are now <emp>strictly out of 
> bounds</emp> for fishing expeditions.
> 	</para>
>       </content>
> </article>

Is this valid XML data?

Can you have both children and XML text in the same place?

Mark

------------------------------------------------------------------
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[ www.safefrombees.com ]


From marcan at home.se  Mon Nov 10 18:18:32 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:18:32 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] Simple XPath question
In-Reply-To: <3FB02003.7070203@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000401c3a7e9$574f01c0$0400a8c0@marcusnb>

>I'm transforming the para with:

<xsl:template match="para">
	<p><xsl:value-of select="."/></p>
</xsl:template>

When using <xsl:value-of select="."/> you only select the textual
content of para to output. You can try the following to get all content
for para:

<xsl:template match="para">
	<p><xsl:copy-of select="node()"/></p>
</xsl:template>

By doing this you will copy all child nodes of para to the result tree
(all text nodes, child elements etc.). If you want to make sure that you
only copy elements and text you can use <xsl:copy-of select="*|text()"/>
instead.

/Marcus

Ps. There is an excellent FAQ for XSL at
http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/xslfaq.html and an equally excellent
mailing list for XSL at mulberrytech.com (where you find a lot of XSL
book and spec authors)


From marcan at home.se  Mon Nov 10 18:22:56 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:22:56 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] Simple XPath question
In-Reply-To: <1068509756.3fb02a3c7627c@postoffice.tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <000501c3a7e9$f483e910$0400a8c0@marcusnb>

> <article>
>    <title>Some title here</title>
>      <content>
> 	<para>
> Please note that company toilets are now <emp>strictly out of
> bounds</emp> for fishing expeditions.
> 	</para>
>       </content>
> </article>

>Is this valid XML data?

>Can you have both children and XML text in the same place?

It's perfectly legal if a DTD/Schema (or if there is no DTD/Schema)
permits to have mixed content.

/Marcus


From gravyface at bmfsquad.com  Mon Nov 10 18:47:07 2003
From: gravyface at bmfsquad.com (GravyFace)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:47:07 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Well-formed HTML email
In-Reply-To: <E1AJML2-0005oA-AP@host.linuxsv2.net>
Message-ID: <CKEGIAJNBPDBMHBEGIPLMEKNCEAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com>

Hi all,

I'm constantly plagued with problems with mass-mailing (not spam,
newsletters :D) HTML messages to various email server/client environments.
My latest problem is with Mac Panther Mail, which is supposedly using Safari
for its rendering, a 100% W3C standards compliant browser.
I also have issues with Lotus Notes and Groupwise.  Outlook seems to work
fine, regardless of the version. URLs with query strings seem to be getting
malformed, as well as the body of the messages themselves.

However, after looking at the header of one of our mailings, I noticed that
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name="GENERATOR"> is inserted by either
Exchange 2000, my Outlook, or VB's SMTP functions/library (the app the
mailer was written in, which I don't have the source too).  This might be
conflicting with the same meta declaration for text/html.

Any ideas?  I'd love to see some documentation/books on making well-formed,
standards compliant emails -- you would think that the mail client would be
like a browser but nothing ceases to amaze me. :)



From evolt at matchpenalty.com  Mon Nov 10 19:02:33 2003
From: evolt at matchpenalty.com (Roger Ly)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:02:33 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Outputting HTML data to do locations without storing in a
	buffer
Message-ID: <9B9B61FC5C65A94EAFC1950F2E58FCF80231980B@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>

Hey all,

I'm working on a small internal web application which needs to both
display and email content to individuals.  Since it is a closed system
with everyone using Outlook, we decided to send out HTML emails to make
things a little more readable and consistent with the web interface.

In keeping things easily editable/viewable in standard HTML editors, I
would like to avoid, as much as possible, storing the content of the
browser and emails in a string which just gets outputted to the two
locations.  It'd be nice to write out primarily HTML code, interspersed
with some PHP logic.  Getting that to work when just outputting to a
browser is pretty straightforward, but I can't figure out a good
solution to duplicate that for output to an email.

Is there an easy way to maintain the 95% HTML/5% PHP code and output it
to both a browser and an email without wrapping everything in a string?

Basically, can I avoid:

$output = '
<html>
<head>
<body>
..
</body>
</html>';

echo $output;
mail ($email, $subject, $output, $headers);

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Roger


From asegu at borg.darktech.org  Mon Nov 10 19:20:37 2003
From: asegu at borg.darktech.org (Andrew Seguin)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:20:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] Outputting HTML data to do locations without storing 
     in abuffer
In-Reply-To:      <9B9B61FC5C65A94EAFC1950F2E58FCF80231980B@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.co
     m>
References:     <9B9B61FC5C65A94EAFC1950F2E58FCF80231980B@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
Message-ID: <4334.137.122.89.222.1068513637.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>

I have two ideas, basicaly both are the same: store the HTML in a seperate
file. get the contents/include depending on need.

if you only need html:
--------
$html_file = './htmlfile.html';
$msg = file_get_contents($html_file);
echo($msg);
mail ($email, $subject, $output, $headers);
--------

or, if you have some php in your html output:
--------
$phpbuilt_html_file = './phpfile.php';
$msg = include($phpbuilt_html_file);
echo($msg);
mail ($email, $subject, $outupt, $headers);
--------

hope that helps.
Andrew

> Hey all,
>
> I'm working on a small internal web application which needs to both
> display and email content to individuals.  Since it is a closed system
> with everyone using Outlook, we decided to send out HTML emails to make
> things a little more readable and consistent with the web interface.
>
> In keeping things easily editable/viewable in standard HTML editors, I
> would like to avoid, as much as possible, storing the content of the
> browser and emails in a string which just gets outputted to the two
> locations.  It'd be nice to write out primarily HTML code, interspersed
> with some PHP logic.  Getting that to work when just outputting to a
> browser is pretty straightforward, but I can't figure out a good
> solution to duplicate that for output to an email.
>
> Is there an easy way to maintain the 95% HTML/5% PHP code and output it
> to both a browser and an email without wrapping everything in a string?
>
> Basically, can I avoid:
>
> $output = '
> <html>
> <head>
> <body>
> ..
> </body>
> </html>';
>
> echo $output;
> mail ($email, $subject, $output, $headers);
>
> Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roger
>
> --
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
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>
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>
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From dianesoini at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 20:08:44 2003
From: dianesoini at earthlink.net (Diane Soini)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:08:44 -0800
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
In-Reply-To: <200311092132.1aj4Fw4SM3NZFkN0@swallow>
Message-ID: <FA7D03B2-13EB-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>

How's this for a short exerpt:
On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 09:32 PM, 
thelist-request at lists.evolt.org wrote:

>> What happens is that a IE window spawns of *its own accord.*

Anyway, this exact same thing happened yesterday to my boyfriend on his 
Windows XP computer. I remembered some recent posts to this list for 
something called lavasoft and he went out and got it, installed it and 
ran it and it helped. Turned out he had something like 39 viruses, 
ad-wares, spy-wares and whatever else is out there. (That's probably 
not the right terminology for this junk, but I'm a mac user so how 
would I know?)

Problem was solved.

Thanks so much for this list! It is so helpful!


From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Mon Nov 10 21:20:38 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:20:38 +1100
Subject: [thelist] IE 6.05 news (?)
References: <Sea2-F54c00goZolmRB00033726@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <080f01c3a802$c7d175e0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Peter-Paul Koch" <gassinaumasis at hotmail.com>
Subject: [thelist] IE 6.05 news (?)


:
: I just read this piece
:
:
http://www.winnetmag.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/40785/windowspaulthurrott_40785.html
:
: on a Windows online magazine, which says that Explorer 6.05
: will be released in the first half of 2004. It will have some
: security patches, and it will (according to this article)
: definitely include popup blocking.
:
: The most interesting point, however, is that this short
: note does not mention the famous Eolas Plugin Alert
: at all. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I do not
: believe that Microsoft will include this alert in a real
: Explorer version, because such an action would be
: impossible to explain to the average user.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Certainly I do not believe that the Eolas Plugin Alert will be included
until all legal avenues have been exhausted...

Even then, I would imagine that Microsoft would not want to roll it out too
aggresively (ie, not via a Service Pack if it can avoid it), for exactly the
reason you specify.

However, Microsoft isn't going to blatantly ignore the law just because it's
difficult to explain something to users. That'd be irresponsible
management - I'm pretty sure the owners (aka shareholders) will be pretty
p*ssed if Microsoft has to pay some huge fine for breaking the law.

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)


From cira at bork.hampshire.edu  Mon Nov 10 21:43:46 2003
From: cira at bork.hampshire.edu (|| cira ||)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:43:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] authorize.net form submission
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311102203090.21086-100000@bork.hampshire.edu>

Hey all,

I have more of a "best practices" question rather than a scripting 
problem. FYI, I'm using the Advanced Integration Method (AIM) on 
authorize.net to make credit card based transactions. I'm writing the 
scripts in PHP.

For anyone who doesn't know how the process works, it goes something like 
this, very simplified:

1. Get user information through form over SSL.
2. Submit data to authorize using the POST method.
3. Receive and process data from authorize.net.

There is a minimum amount of data that you need to send to authorize to 
process a card. In my version of AIM, you must supply your authorize.net 
login ID, password, in addition to the card information.

The problem is, right now I have those values in hidden form fields:

<input type="hidden" name="loginID" value="myloginID">

This is not good. Any user could view source and see the sensitive info. 
Not what I want. I can only think of one way around this, and it's not the 
best, I feel like I'm missing something really easy. Sometimes the 
simplest solution is the last thing you're thinking of.

1) Submit the form to another PHP script where a second form resides. 
Using PHP, output the loginID, password and previous $_POST data into the 
form. Then submit the form automatically using JavaScript. After the JS 
submits the form to authorize, the user will be redirected to a 
confirmation / error page.

The problem with this method is that essentially if the user knew the name 
of the PHP script, they could still see the form vars, ADDITIONALLY, they 
would be able to see the all the credit card information! Also, it seems 
silly to have to create a second form and use JS to accomplish this.

I'm going on the assumption that you HAVE to submit the data to authorize 
using a form like this:

<form name="formname" method="post" 
action="https://secure.authorize.net/gateway/transact.dll">

Maybe there is a way to append the data to the $_POST array and submit 
that array to authorize without using a second form. So far, I have not 
come across any documentation stating otherwise.

I have tried googling for some help, and did a very quick search of the 
evolt list archives. There were a couple of authorize threads, but none 
seemed to address this problem.

Thanks in advance,
I just know I'm missing something simple.

-Samantha




From asegu at borg.darktech.org  Mon Nov 10 22:01:24 2003
From: asegu at borg.darktech.org (Andrew Seguin)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:01:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] authorize.net form submission
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311102203090.21086-100000@bork.hampshire.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311102203090.21086-100000@bork.hampshire.edu>
Message-ID: <1734.69.28.224.53.1068523284.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>

If I understood correctly, you want your PHP script to POST to a secure
site. I agree with you to 100% that it is definitly not a good idea to
send the data back to the user's browser and have that submit it.

The basic idea is that you have to create a POST request yourself over
sockets.

in a generic fashion (post to http:// ):
http://pineappletechnologies.com/phplore/idx/0/007/article/Constructing_a_POST_request_without_cURL.html

over ssl (post to https:// ):
http://www.phpbuilder.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=10224631

but do take note that on php's page for "fsockopen" (
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.fsockopen.php ) that there is a link
to the page that describes the "List of Supported Socket Transports" (
http://www.php.net/manual/en/transports.php ) and there it says:

"ssl:// & tls:// since PHP 4.3"

...so you will want at least version 4.3 on your server for doing this.


Hope this helps,
Andrew

From cira at bork.hampshire.edu  Mon Nov 10 22:07:20 2003
From: cira at bork.hampshire.edu (|| cira ||)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:07:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] authorize.net form submission
In-Reply-To: <1734.69.28.224.53.1068523284.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311102305310.21086-100000@bork.hampshire.edu>


Andrew Seguin wrote:

> The basic idea is that you have to create a POST request yourself over
> sockets.

See, simplicity. I never even thought about opening the port over sockets 
with PHP. I think that should do it.

> ...so you will want at least version 4.3 on your server for doing this.

No problem there. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks.

-Samantha


From bedouglas at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 00:45:36 2003
From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:45:36 -0800
Subject: [thelist] prototyping tool...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311102305310.21086-100000@bork.hampshire.edu>
Message-ID: <001401c3a81f$6b5e2390$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>

hi...

looking for a simple (!!!) tool that will allow me to prototype a web site.
i'd like to be able to create a simple layout, with horizontal/vertical
menus, add some content, have links, etc...

i'm using a win2K box....

any ideas/sugestions....???

thanks

-bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of || cira ||
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:07 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] authorize.net form submission



Andrew Seguin wrote:

> The basic idea is that you have to create a POST request yourself over
> sockets.

See, simplicity. I never even thought about opening the port over sockets
with PHP. I think that should do it.

> ...so you will want at least version 4.3 on your server for doing this.

No problem there. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks.

-Samantha

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From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Nov 11 00:42:10 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:42:10 +1100
Subject: [thelist] prototyping tool...
References: <001401c3a81f$6b5e2390$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>
Message-ID: <0cb401c3a81e$ef45a530$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "bruce" <bedouglas at earthlink.net>
Subject: [thelist] prototyping tool...


: looking for a simple (!!!) tool that will allow me to prototype
: a web site. i'd like to be able to create a simple layout,
: with horizontal/vertical menus, add some content,
: have links, etc...
:
: i'm using a win2K box....
:
: any ideas/sugestions....???
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Start -> Run -> Notepad

Probably about as simple as you can get. Though you probably won't be very
productive.

Otherwise, look at Macromedia Dreamweaver MX, or Microsoft Frontpage 2003
(if you want WYSIWYG type tools), or Homesite or UltraEdit if you want
hand-code your HTML.

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)


From spambait at onpointsolutions.com  Tue Nov 11 00:52:06 2003
From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:52:06 -0800
Subject: [thelist] prototyping tool...
References: <001401c3a81f$6b5e2390$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c3a820$52932260$9865fea9@OFFICE>

> looking for a simple (!!!) tool that will allow me to prototype
> a web site. i'd like to be able to create a simple layout, with
> horizontal/vertical menus, add some content, have links, etc...

Visio has stencils for web IA.

If you want clickable web pages, though, and use Dreamweaver, there's
a great and free extension called wireframing you can find on the MM
Exchange. If you don't, let me know and I can post a copy.

-------------
Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
www.OnPointSolutions.com



From cira at bork.hampshire.edu  Tue Nov 11 00:54:17 2003
From: cira at bork.hampshire.edu (|| cira ||)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:54:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] authorize.net form submission
In-Reply-To: <1734.69.28.224.53.1068523284.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311110131500.21086-100000@bork.hampshire.edu>


Andrew Seguin wrote:

> but do take note that on php's page for "fsockopen" (
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.fsockopen.php ) that there is a link
> to the page that describes the "List of Supported Socket Transports" (
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/transports.php ) and there it says:
> 
> "ssl:// & tls:// since PHP 4.3"

So yeah, now that I've done a little more research I've found all I need 
to know from forums and the PHP manual.

This is my first time dealing with PHP, SSL, and Authorize.net. I think 
what confused me was the lack of explanation between the AIM and SIM 
methods in the authorize documentation. Also, the Authorize.net user 
interface combines all possible methods of connecting to the gateway, so 
in the settings page, there are options for both AIM and SIM and the 
interface doesn't explain which is which or really differ between the 
two.

The lowdown is that AIM is a direct response and the gateway will dump 
the response information right back to the browser when posting from a 
form, so that will not work. You have to use, like you said, the 
fsockopen() function to connect to the server and use PHP's urlencode() 
function to simulate the $_POST data. Previously, before PHP 4.3, the 
only way to connect to a secure socket was with the CURL functions, that 
is if you aren't using something like PayPal which PHP has specific 
functions for. 

Using the SIM method, you supply a URL for authorize to send the data to. 
I was under the impression that's what AIM was, which is where I was 
confused. Maybe I missed a big concept that other people didn't, but 
if the documentation had just explained the difference clearly, it would 
have helped a lot.

I hope this helps anyone who is building a similar app. A lot of the forum 
posts and articles out there were written before PHP 4.3 and are not 
up-to-date. I was able to write a very small script to send the $_POST 
data and and parse the response data using just a few built-in PHP 
functions.

-Samantha




From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Tue Nov 11 01:02:56 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:32:56 +1030
Subject: [thelist] Javascript - Form value undefined
Message-ID: <001d01c3a821$d65e5780$050a8aca@timburgan>

Hello,

I'm doing a basic JavaScript course at the moment - I'm trying to use logical
operators at the moment, but I've got stuck right at the beginning with
submitting a value from a form into JavaScript.

I've stripped the page down to 2 forms that are identical except from the data
input methods - 1 works (text inputs), 1 doesn't (radio inputs).

<http://www.greaterthani.com/05_programming/week5help.htm>

The form with the radio button displays a result of 'undefined', when it should
be either 0 or 0.25

Can someone please take a look at this to kelp me out?

Thanks for your time
Tim Burgan



From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Nov 11 01:13:42 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:13:42 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Javascript - Form value undefined
References: <001d01c3a821$d65e5780$050a8aca@timburgan>
Message-ID: <001f01c3a823$56b77050$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Tim Burgan" <burgan at iprimus.com.au>
Subject: [thelist] Javascript - Form value undefined


: I'm doing a basic JavaScript course at the moment -
: I'm trying to use logical operators at the moment, but 
: I've got stuck right at the beginning with
: submitting a value from a form into JavaScript.
: 
: I've stripped the page down to 2 forms that are identical 
: except from the data input methods - 1 works (text inputs), 
: 1 doesn't (radio inputs).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


This should get you started:

<script type="text/javascript">
 function theValue() {
  for (i = 0;  i < form1.inputSugar.length;  i++)
  {
  if (form1.inputSugar[i].checked)
   return(form1.inputSugar[i].value)
  }
 }

</script>

<form name="form1">

 <input type="radio" name="inputSugar" value="1"> 1<br>
 <input type="radio" name="inputSugar" value="2"> 2<br>
 <input type="button" value="click" onclick="alert(theValue());">

</form>

From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Tue Nov 11 03:12:29 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:12:29 +0000
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
In-Reply-To: <FA7D03B2-13EB-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
References: <200311092132.1aj4Fw4SM3NZFkN0@swallow>
 <FA7D03B2-13EB-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031111091021.0242e5f0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 02:08 11/11/2003, Diane Soini wrote
>How's this for a short exerpt:
>On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 09:32 PM, thelist-request at lists.evolt.org 
>wrote:
>
>>>What happens is that a IE window spawns of *its own accord.*
>
>Anyway, this exact same thing happened yesterday to my boyfriend on his 
>Windows XP computer. I remembered some recent posts to this list for 
>something called lavasoft and he went out and got it, installed it and ran 
>it and it helped. Turned out he had something like 39 viruses, ad-wares, 
>spy-wares and whatever else is out

Lavasoft Addaware? brilliant stuff..... buy him an antivirus package for 
Christmas, Addaware is not an anti-virus package :)

It sounds like he was using Kazaa and not Kazaa Lite ( cracked version of 
Kazaa without the spyware and nasties) to download his Frank Sinatra videos

FB

>there. (That's probably not the right terminology for this junk, but I'm a 
>mac user so how would I know?)
>
>Problem was solved.
>
>Thanks so much for this list! It is so helpful!


From ghopson at mac.com  Tue Nov 11 04:34:48 2003
From: ghopson at mac.com (Geoff Hopson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:34:48 +0000
Subject: [thelist] [novice] Help with CSS layout
Message-ID: <AC675C59-1432-11D8-8895-0003931B3B06@mac.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to create a page template for a WebObjects application, and 
use CSS to define the layout instead of tables. I am a CSS novice, and 
the layout is killing me. I can fall back to tables if I have to, so 
this is all academic right now. But, I want to learn!

I'm trying to create a bordered column of text, with images to define 
the left and right hand sides of the text. *** I need the height of 
these to adjust to fit the content ***. I thought that setting the 
background-image would help me. Here's where I am:

http://objectology.co.uk/~ghopson/md/

How do I add a right hand column?
And how would I go about adding a column in the middle for a two column 
display?

Thanks for any help,
Geoff
--
Geoff Hopson
Objectology Ltd.
http://www.objectology.co.uk/


From S.Denslow at chgl.com  Tue Nov 11 04:56:02 2003
From: S.Denslow at chgl.com (Stuart Denslow)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:56:02 -0000
Subject: [thelist] [novice] Help with CSS layout
Message-ID: <39FE7B4A33ADD5119E0000508BDCCFF8B03487@MAIL>

Geoff 

This may help:

http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/boxes.html




-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Hopson [mailto:ghopson at mac.com] 
Sent: 11 November 2003 10:35
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] [novice] Help with CSS layout


Hi,

I'm trying to create a page template for a WebObjects application, and 
use CSS to define the layout instead of tables. I am a CSS novice, and 
the layout is killing me. I can fall back to tables if I have to, so 
this is all academic right now. But, I want to learn!

I'm trying to create a bordered column of text, with images to define 
the left and right hand sides of the text. *** I need the height of 
these to adjust to fit the content ***. I thought that setting the 
background-image would help me. Here's where I am:

http://objectology.co.uk/~ghopson/md/

How do I add a right hand column?
And how would I go about adding a column in the middle for a two column 
display?

Thanks for any help,
Geoff
--
Geoff Hopson
Objectology Ltd.
http://www.objectology.co.uk/

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From webdev at megalion.org  Tue Nov 11 05:53:34 2003
From: webdev at megalion.org (Megalion)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:53:34 -0800
Subject: [thelist] CSS issue, delinking??
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20031111035145.014f0f90@64.5.40.20>


In Mozilla 1.4.1 on WinXP (and presumably other Win OSes), someone reported 
to me that the "previous" links on my blog don't work.

http://ponder.megalion.org/archives/individual/2003_11/000638.html?override= 
venturaSunset

The previous link on this entry is "wow". I don't understand what's causing 
the link to delinkify so that you can't click on it.

Could anyone shed some light?

Thanks
Megalion

From chris.nimmo at stl.org  Tue Nov 11 06:44:25 2003
From: chris.nimmo at stl.org (Chris Nimmo)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:44:25 -0000
Subject: [thelist] ASP - Highlighting words in a string
Message-ID: <4CE9532F3609934AA6C0383ED5CEC60D4D955C@ntmail2k.ntstl.stl.org>

Heyhey,

I'm not an expert with ASP but earlier today I was trying to make a script that would grab the first (x) words from a string and emphasise them. I almost turned to theList for help but eventually got it working. 

<%
Dim msg1, counter, numwords

msg1 = "one two three four five six seven eight nine ten"
numwords = 4 

for counter = 1 to numwords
                    
  msgbegin = msgbegin & Left(msg1, InStr(msg1, " ")) 
  msg1 = Mid(msg1,InStr(msg1, " ")+1,Len(msg1))

next

Response.Write("<b>" & msgbegin & "</b>" & msg1)
%>

Chris

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From Graham.Bird at rspb.org.uk  Tue Nov 11 06:47:23 2003
From: Graham.Bird at rspb.org.uk (Bird, Graham)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:47:23 -0000
Subject: [thelist] That browser checking service...
Message-ID: <665521262709BB4088F780D667B8ECE53E16EE@saturn.RSPB.ORG.UK>

Hi,

A while back someone flagged up a new (commercial?) tool for testing sites
on multiple browsers. I can't find a reference to it in the archive, or on
Google. Can anyone remember what it was?

I seem to remember that the service had a cluster of servers with browsers
installed on it. These servers "ran" your page and served back a screenshot
or the like. I believe it was a monthly subscription thing.

Any ideas?

Graham

From j.dobson at find-a-part.com  Tue Nov 11 06:45:20 2003
From: j.dobson at find-a-part.com (John Dobson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:45:20 -0000
Subject: FW: [thelist] That browser checking service...
Message-ID: <E1E67298B1350C4F91730C0C0AD9BF3A4BA143@cray.find-a-part.com>

> A while back someone flagged up a new (commercial?) tool for 
> testing sites
> on multiple browsers. I can't find a reference to it in the 
> archive, or on
> Google. Can anyone remember what it was?

www.browsercam.com ?

HTH
John

From ldelahunty at britstream.com  Tue Nov 11 07:05:20 2003
From: ldelahunty at britstream.com (Liam Delahunty)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:05:20 -0000
Subject: [thelist] SSL cert check. https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/
Message-ID: <INEMJDMFPLMOMPMFKADOIEFHEDAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com>

I've had a couple of people report certificate validation / security errors
as they try to checkout on
http://www.corx.co.uk/ which pops over to the secure server.

https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/
Would you kind souls check the following link and let me know if
1. The seal says the site is secure
2. Clicking on the seal (pop up) confirms that the cert is valid & site
secure.
3. any other messages you may get from the browser.

I've checked (on windows me), IE 5.5, Opera 6.04, a slightly old Moz and in
Netscape 7 and it's okay for me. The client has seen the error on IE
whatever for Mac (OS 9).


Kind regards,
Liam Delahunty,
Mega Products Limited


From evolt at muinar.com  Tue Nov 11 07:20:23 2003
From: evolt at muinar.com (muinar)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:20:23 +0100
Subject: [thelist] SSL cert check.
  https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/
In-Reply-To: <INEMJDMFPLMOMPMFKADOIEFHEDAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20031111141830.00a516a0@mail.muinar.com>

At 14:05 11.11.03, you wrote:
>https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/
>Would you kind souls check the following link and let me know if
>1. The seal says the site is secure
>2. Clicking on the seal (pop up) confirms that the cert is valid & site
>secure.
>3. any other messages you may get from the browser.

Everything ok from here (Win 98 IE6 and Moz Firebird, Switzerland)

Mike



From ghopson at mac.com  Tue Nov 11 08:24:53 2003
From: ghopson at mac.com (Geoff Hopson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:24:53 +0000
Subject: [thelist] SSL cert check. https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/
In-Reply-To: <INEMJDMFPLMOMPMFKADOIEFHEDAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com>
Message-ID: <D0CE046E-1452-11D8-8895-0003931B3B06@mac.com>

The padlock shows up but says that it is an invalid certificate.

MacOSX 10.2.8, Safari 1.0

On IE5 on Mac, broken image...

HTH,
Geoff

On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 01:05  pm, Liam Delahunty wrote:

> I've had a couple of people report certificate validation / security 
> errors
> as they try to checkout on
> http://www.corx.co.uk/ which pops over to the secure server.
>
> https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/
> Would you kind souls check the following link and let me know if
> 1. The seal says the site is secure
> 2. Clicking on the seal (pop up) confirms that the cert is valid & site
> secure.
> 3. any other messages you may get from the browser.
>
> I've checked (on windows me), IE 5.5, Opera 6.04, a slightly old Moz 
> and in
> Netscape 7 and it's okay for me. The client has seen the error on IE
> whatever for Mac (OS 9).
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Liam Delahunty,
> Mega Products Limited
>
> -- 
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>
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>
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From kverens at contactjuggling.org  Tue Nov 11 08:26:53 2003
From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:26:53 +0000
Subject: [thelist] displaying character entities in textareas
Message-ID: <3FB0F1AD.9000508@contactjuggling.org>

I am writing a gui for some text formatting codes that I use in my CMS, 
and am having a bit of trouble doing what I want to do.

As an example, I presently enable bold type similar to here:
"this is *bold* text" - my text filter then strips out those asterices 
and replaces them with <strong> and </strong>

I want to stop using the asterix character for this purpose, though, and 
the others I use ('/' for italics, '_' for underline, etc), and replace 
them with other more unlikely-to-be-mistakenly-used characters.

For example, underline might use the &micro; sign, which looks like a 
'u', but is unlikely to crop up in a paragraph.

The trouble is - I'm trying to insert these characters into textareas on 
teh click of a button - how can I enter character entities into a 
textarea? When I try with teh HTML of it, it simply shows up as 'This 
text is &micro;underlined&micro;", which is just daned ugly - I want the 
actual character to be placed instead.

Ideas?

Kae



From Brian at hondaswap.com  Tue Nov 11 08:39:06 2003
From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:39:06 -0500
Subject: [thelist] SSL cert check. https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/
In-Reply-To: <D0CE046E-1452-11D8-8895-0003931B3B06@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3a861$92614c50$e6dffea9@breal>

> I've had a couple of people report certificate validation / security
> errors

I installed it just fine, and shows padlocked.  No errors of any kind.

Xp pro/ie 6




From Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com  Tue Nov 11 08:39:43 2003
From: Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com (Tab Alleman)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:39:43 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Native website authentication - IIS 5
Message-ID: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C972AF6CD@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>

Ken Schaefer wrote:

> Ok, I did this, using Integrated Windows Authentication, and when I go
> to the site in IE, I get the pop-up, and I login with what should be
> correct information.  But when I click ok, I get a Cannot find server
> or DNS Error page.  Any ideas why?
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> That indicates that the browser cannot contact the server - are you
> doing some kind of redirect on the server that's going to some other
> address or port that the browser cannot reach?
> 
> Cheers
> Ken

I am using my hosts file to force the computer to use the website on my
local box when I go to this particular URL.  Does enabling
Authentication somehow cause the browser to go around the host file and
use the web, because this is a URL that doesn't exist on the Internet.
If so, is there any way to have my hosts file and authentication too?

From dunstan at 1976design.com  Tue Nov 11 09:54:06 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:54:06 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
	click
Message-ID: <20031111155406.M49813@1976design.com>

Hi there,

I wonder if anyone could put on their best Javascript Pants and take a look at
this problem for me:

http://www.1976design.com/dev/divcolor/

In a nutshell: I have a set of six divs. I'd like to be able to click on any one
div and have its background-color change. It would then stay changed until
another div was clicked on, at which point it would return to the default color
and the new div's color would change, and so on...

I'd also like to be able to click on a div and have it alter the color of other
divs. For example, clicking on Div 3 would alter its color and that of Div 1.

Can anyone help out?

Thanks very much - Dunstan

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.1976design.com/blog/

From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com  Tue Nov 11 10:02:34 2003
From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:02:34 -0600
Subject: [thelist] htdig
In-Reply-To: <0C217BAF-1190-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
References: <0C217BAF-1190-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3FB1081A.70803@cygnusinteractive.com>

Diane Soini wrote:
> I've been researching and testing htdig. Does anyone have experience 
> with it they could share with me?

I've used ht://Dig for a number of sites, and it's pretty nice. It uses 
it's own datafiles, so there's no need for a separate database. I've 
used it under *nix based OS's like FreeBSD, Linux, and Mac OS X, but not 
Windows.

You might also look at mnoGoSearch, which I've tested but haven't 
deployed on any live sites yet.  It does require a database though. I've 
used MySQL but I believe it may work with others. There's also a Windows 
version of mnoGoSearch if needed.

   <http://search.mnogo.ru/>


Pete




From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com  Tue Nov 11 10:09:07 2003
From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:09:07 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Well-formed HTML email
In-Reply-To: <CKEGIAJNBPDBMHBEGIPLMEKNCEAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com>
References: <CKEGIAJNBPDBMHBEGIPLMEKNCEAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com>
Message-ID: <3FB109A3.4010807@cygnusinteractive.com>

GravyFace wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm constantly plagued with problems with mass-mailing (not spam,
> newsletters :D) HTML messages to various email server/client environments.
> My latest problem is with Mac Panther Mail, which is supposedly using Safari
> for its rendering, a 100% W3C standards compliant browser.
> I also have issues with Lotus Notes and Groupwise.  Outlook seems to work
> fine, regardless of the version. URLs with query strings seem to be getting
> malformed, as well as the body of the messages themselves.
> 
> However, after looking at the header of one of our mailings, I noticed that
> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name="GENERATOR"> is inserted by either
> Exchange 2000, my Outlook, or VB's SMTP functions/library (the app the
> mailer was written in, which I don't have the source too).  This might be
> conflicting with the same meta declaration for text/html.
> 
> Any ideas?  I'd love to see some documentation/books on making well-formed,
> standards compliant emails -- you would think that the mail client would be
> like a browser but nothing ceases to amaze me. :)

Well, if you're willing to get your hands dirty using Perl, the 
MIME::Lite module should give you control over everything. You can 
author your HTML email in your editor of choice and then make Perl send 
your email. (I'm assuming other languages might have modules that allow 
similar amounts of control?)


Pete





From kilimajer at webglobe.sk  Tue Nov 11 10:18:54 2003
From: kilimajer at webglobe.sk (Marek Kilimajer)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:18:54 +0100
Subject: [thelist] SSL cert check. https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/
In-Reply-To: <D0CE046E-1452-11D8-8895-0003931B3B06@mac.com>
References: <D0CE046E-1452-11D8-8895-0003931B3B06@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3FB10BEE.4050108@webglobe.sk>

It should depend on if your browser trusts Thawte Server CA - 
certificate authority. It must be built in, that is the browser must 
come with this CA's public key preinstalled.

Geoff Hopson wrote:

> The padlock shows up but says that it is an invalid certificate.
> 
> MacOSX 10.2.8, Safari 1.0
> 
> On IE5 on Mac, broken image...
> 
> HTH,
> Geoff
> 
> On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 01:05  pm, Liam Delahunty wrote:
> 
>> I've had a couple of people report certificate validation / security 
>> errors
>> as they try to checkout on
>> http://www.corx.co.uk/ which pops over to the secure server.
>>
>> https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/
>> Would you kind souls check the following link and let me know if
>> 1. The seal says the site is secure
>> 2. Clicking on the seal (pop up) confirms that the cert is valid & site
>> secure.
>> 3. any other messages you may get from the browser.
>>
>> I've checked (on windows me), IE 5.5, Opera 6.04, a slightly old Moz 
>> and in
>> Netscape 7 and it's okay for me. The client has seen the error on IE
>> whatever for Mac (OS 9).
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Liam Delahunty,
>> Mega Products Limited
>>
>> -- 
>> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
>> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>>
>> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
>> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
>> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>>
>>
> -- 
> Geoff Hopson
> Objectology Ltd.
> http://www.objectology.co.uk/
> 


From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com  Tue Nov 11 10:20:26 2003
From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:20:26 -0600
Subject: [thelist] displaying character entities in textareas
In-Reply-To: <3FB0F1AD.9000508@contactjuggling.org>
References: <3FB0F1AD.9000508@contactjuggling.org>
Message-ID: <3FB10C4A.4090805@cygnusinteractive.com>

Kae Verens wrote:
> I am writing a gui for some text formatting codes that I use in my CMS, 
> and am having a bit of trouble doing what I want to do.
> 
> As an example, I presently enable bold type similar to here:
> "this is *bold* text" - my text filter then strips out those asterices 
> and replaces them with <strong> and </strong>
> 
> I want to stop using the asterix character for this purpose, though, and 
> the others I use ('/' for italics, '_' for underline, etc), and replace 
> them with other more unlikely-to-be-mistakenly-used characters.
> 
> For example, underline might use the &micro; sign, which looks like a 
> 'u', but is unlikely to crop up in a paragraph.
> 
> The trouble is - I'm trying to insert these characters into textareas on 
> teh click of a button - how can I enter character entities into a 
> textarea? When I try with teh HTML of it, it simply shows up as 'This 
> text is &micro;underlined&micro;", which is just daned ugly - I want the 
> actual character to be placed instead.


I don't have a solution to your problem, but a suggestion... Instead of 
using a text filter to change *foo* into <strong>foo</strong> have you 
considered using Textile, the 'humane web text generator'?

   <http://textism.com/tools/textile/>

There are versions written in PHP, Perl, Python, and even ASP... I found 
it very easy to use the Perl version written by Brad Choate into a 
simple CMS I wrote...

Back to the problem - my guess is the textarea of a browser displays 
text (hence the name) not HTML, so I don't know if you'll get what you 
want to work...

Pete




From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Tue Nov 11 10:33:07 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:33:07 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Wingdings on Submit Buttons?
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51A2@smtmb.tmc.local>

>That way you still get that nice 'click' effect.

Can you offer a privately made example on a public domain? 

Rob

From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Tue Nov 11 10:42:16 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:42:16 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
	click
In-Reply-To: <20031111155406.M49813@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c3a872$c4d11240$0300000a@hershel2000>

> I'd also like to be able to click on a div and have it alter 
> the color of other
> divs. For example, clicking on Div 3 would alter its color 
> and that of Div 1.

Put all the DIVs in a container div with id="Container"

Add to each inner DIV onclick="setColors(this);"

Then something like this:

function setColors(newSpecial) {
	// set all DIVs to default
 	myKids = document.getElementById("Container").getElementsByTagName("DIV")
	for (var i=0; i<myKids.length; i++) {
		myKids[i].className = 'default'
	}
	// set new one to special color
	document.getElementById("newSpecial").className = "SpecialClass"
}

HTH

Hershel

From WJHUTTONIII at energy-northwest.com  Tue Nov 11 10:43:25 2003
From: WJHUTTONIII at energy-northwest.com (HUTTON III, WILLIAM J.)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:43:25 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Tip: Image Map Rollovers with CSS
Message-ID: <001E11719A044641ADE9A598940904D403C3FE47@server18.domain1.energy-northwest.com>

Thanks for the example, Kristof.

We are accomplishing the same effect, but your example requires separate rollover images for each area tag in the image map.  Your example has three rollover effects, and uses four images; the base image, then one image for each rollover.

Our image map has over 100 hot spots, so each time the base image is changed, we'd also have to make 100 new rollover images.  Something we didn't want to do.

That's exactly why I chose to implement the rollover with CSS clipping.  That way, we just have two images; the base image, and the rollover image, which is clipped to give the effect of 100 separate rollover images.  :)

Thanks,
Will



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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 10:48:43 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:48:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
	click
In-Reply-To: <20031111155406.M49813@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <20031111164843.7354.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Dunstan Orchard <dunstan at 1976design.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I wonder if anyone could put on their best Javascript Pants and
> take a look at this problem for me:
> 
> http://www.1976design.com/dev/divcolor/

Dunstan,

Pasted below is the answer to the first part of your question. Can
you be a little more specific about the second part? It's going to be
difficult to have both going on at once I think, depending on what
you want.

Why do 2 divs change, etc - be a bit more specific...is it just divs
3 and 6 that do that?

Tom
-------------------------------------------------
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" 
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en">
<title></title>
<style>
div {
	background-color: #eee;
	border: 1px solid #ddd;
	margin: 10px;
	padding: 10px;
	}

div:hover {
	background-color: #ddd;
	border: 1px solid #ccc;
	}
</style>
<script type="text/javascript">
var lastDiv;

function ChangeBG(oDiv)
{
	if(lastDiv) { lastDiv.style.backgroundColor = "#eee"; }
	oDiv.style.backgroundColor = "#cc3";
	lastDiv = oDiv;
}
</script>
</head>
<body>
<div id="one" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 1</div>
<div id="two" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 2</div>
<div id="three" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 3 [clicking should
change colour of Div 1 as well]</div>
<div id="four" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 4</div>
<div id="five" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 5</div>
<div id="six" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 6 [clicking should change
colour of Div 1 and Div 3 as well]</div>
</body>
</html>

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From bedouglas at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 11:06:20 2003
From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:06:20 -0800
Subject: [thelist] menu samples...
In-Reply-To: <000601c3a861$92614c50$e6dffea9@breal>
Message-ID: <003701c3a876$21b12290$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>

hi....

looking for sample menus that will allow me to create drop down menus with
hidden submenus...

(horizontal menu)

     cat      foo
     test     qqqq
      aaa      bbb
      etc...

the cat/foo items are top level items in the horizontal nav bar

cat has the structure:

      test  <---- child of cat
       aaa  <---- submenu/child of test
      etc...

i'd like to be able to have/add child/submenus to the nav menu. it's
important to be able to display the child menus underneath the parent, as
opposed to being displayed off to the side..

i'd also like any pointers to good drop down/menu scripts for vertical
menus. i'd like to be able to present the menu items and "hide" the
child/submenu items. the user would be able to see/hide the child items by
toggling the parent menu item...


     fooo
      -test  <-----
        aaa
       test2
       test3

     fooo
      +test   <-----
       test2
       test3

toggling the "test" item displays/hides the underlying "aaa" item...

i'd like the items to be listed underneath each other, as opposed to
displayed out to the side.....

we've seen a number of menu samples/scripts..but nothing that really can do
what we've described...

any help/assistance/pointers would be helpful.....

thanks

-bruce
bedouglas at earthlink.net




From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Tue Nov 11 10:52:25 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:52:25 -0600
Subject: [thelist] displaying character entities in textareas
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51A4@smtmb.tmc.local>

> I want the actual character to be placed instead.

> Ideas?

Place the acutal character there. (?)

Rob

From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 10:59:27 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:59:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
	click
In-Reply-To: <20031111155406.M49813@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <20031111165927.39457.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Dunstan Orchard <dunstan at 1976design.com> wrote:
> http://www.1976design.com/dev/divcolor/

Dunstan, here's another version that does what you want for the
second stuff, it's kind of hacky though. If you had other DIVs on the
page it would be a problem for starters. Again more info might help
on the whys and hows.. :)

Tom
-----------------------
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" 
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en">
<title></title>
<style>
div {
	background-color: #eee;
	border: 1px solid #ddd;
	margin: 10px;
	padding: 10px;
	}

div:hover {
	background-color: #ddd;
	border: 1px solid #ccc;
	}
</style>
<script type="text/javascript">
//var lastDiv;

function ChangeBG(oDiv)
{
	//if(lastDiv) { lastDiv.style.backgroundColor = "#eee"; }
	ResetDivs();
	if(arguments[1])
	{
		var secondDiv = document.getElementById(arguments[1]);
		secondDiv.style.backgroundColor = "#cc3";
	}
	
	if(arguments[2])
	{
		var secondDiv = document.getElementById(arguments[2]);
		secondDiv.style.backgroundColor = "#cc3";
	}
	
	oDiv.style.backgroundColor = "#cc3";
	//lastDiv = oDiv;
}

function ResetDivs()
{
	var oDivs = document.getElementsByTagName("DIV");
	for(var i=0; i<oDivs.length; i++)
	{
		oDivs[i].style.backgroundColor = "#eee";
	}
}
</script>
</head>
<body>
<div id="one" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 1</div>
<div id="two" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 2</div>
<div id="three" onclick="ChangeBG(this, 'one');">Div 3 [clicking
should change colour of Div 1 as well]</div>
<div id="four" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 4</div>
<div id="five" onclick="ChangeBG(this);">Div 5</div>
<div id="six" onclick="ChangeBG(this, 'one', 'three');">Div 6
[clicking should change colour of Div 1 and Div 3 as well]</div>
</body>
</html>

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From marcan at home.se  Tue Nov 11 11:10:11 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:10:11 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with
	oneclick
In-Reply-To: <20031111155406.M49813@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c3a876$aa554c70$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>

>In a nutshell: I have a set of six divs. I'd like to be able to click
on any one div and have its background-color change. It would then stay
changed until another div was clicked on, at which point it would return
to the default color and the new div's color would change, and so on...

>I'd also like to be able to click on a div and have it alter the color
of other divs. For example, clicking on Div 3 would alter its color and
that of Div 1.

I really don't know why you would want to do this, but okay...

I made an example below that (I think) works as you described and I've
also put comments in it to explain

/Marcus

<html>
  <head>
    <style>
      div {
        margin:5px;background-color:blue;height:40px;width:50px;
      }
    </style>
    
    <script>
      
      // This is a constructor for a Div object. 
      // It's only used to associate a div and a color to each other
      // Could have used an Object instead but I think it makes the
purpose
      // clearer when using a home-brewn class
      function Div(elt, color) {
        this.div = elt;
        this.color = color;
      }
      
      // I store all Div objects in this variable between clicks
      var previousDivs = null;
      
      
      // Performs all the work. Takes an element and a color as default
but
      // you can pass as many ids (strings) to elements after the color
as you want.
      // The extra elements you pass as string ids will get their
background set
      // as well.
      function changeColor(elt, color) {
        // Change the color back on the elements you shifted on last
click
        // but previousDivs will be null first time...
        if(previousDivs != null) {          
          for(var i = 0 ; i < previousDivs.length ; i++) {
            previousDivs[i].div.style.backgroundColor =
previousDivs[i].color;
          }
        }
        // create a new Array to put your new Divs in
        previousDivs = new Array();
        // create a Div object for elt and pass it the element and its
background color        
        previousDivs[0] = new Div(elt, elt.style.backgroundColor);
        // set new color for elt
        elt.style.backgroundColor = color;
        // loop over all the extra elements you passed in and do the
same as for elt         
        for(var i = 2 ; i < arguments.length ; i++) {
          var currentDiv = document.getElementById(arguments[i]);
          previousDivs[previousDivs.length] = new Div(currentDiv,
currentDiv.style.backgroundColor);
          currentDiv.style.backgroundColor = color;
        }                
      }
    </script>
  
  </head>
  <body>
  <!-- create all your divs and make them call changeColor on onclick
-->
    <div id="div1" onclick="changeColor(this, 'yellow');"></div>
    <div id="div2" onclick="changeColor(this, 'red');"></div>
    <div id="div3" onclick="changeColor(this, 'orange', 'div1');"></div>
    <div id="div4" onclick="changeColor(this, 'green');"></div>
    <div id="div5" onclick="changeColor(this, 'pink');"></div>
    <div id="div6" onclick="changeColor(this, 'purple', 'div1',
'div3');"></div>
    
  </body>
</html>


From chris at fastspot.com  Tue Nov 11 11:31:33 2003
From: chris at fastspot.com (Christopher Styles)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:31:33 -0500
Subject: [thelist] displaying character entities in textareas
In-Reply-To: <3FB10C4A.4090805@cygnusinteractive.com>
References: <3FB0F1AD.9000508@contactjuggling.org>
	<3FB10C4A.4090805@cygnusinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <3FB11CF5.9050403@fastspot.com>

Not sure if you have seen this or not, but it is what I use in all of my 
CMS's. I think it may be your sweetest dream come true:

http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/

And it is -so- easy to configure, to take out functionality that you 
don't want, to add in new - and the forums are pretty trafficked as well....

chris( )

Pete Prodoehl wrote:

> Kae Verens wrote:
> 
>> I am writing a gui for some text formatting codes that I use in my 
>> CMS, and am having a bit of trouble doing what I want to do.
>>
>> As an example, I presently enable bold type similar to here:
>> "this is *bold* text" - my text filter then strips out those asterices 
>> and replaces them with <strong> and </strong>
>>
>> I want to stop using the asterix character for this purpose, though, 
>> and the others I use ('/' for italics, '_' for underline, etc), and 
>> replace them with other more unlikely-to-be-mistakenly-used characters.
>>
>> For example, underline might use the &micro; sign, which looks like a 
>> 'u', but is unlikely to crop up in a paragraph.
>>
>> The trouble is - I'm trying to insert these characters into textareas 
>> on teh click of a button - how can I enter character entities into a 
>> textarea? When I try with teh HTML of it, it simply shows up as 'This 
>> text is &micro;underlined&micro;", which is just daned ugly - I want 
>> the actual character to be placed instead.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't have a solution to your problem, but a suggestion... Instead of 
> using a text filter to change *foo* into <strong>foo</strong> have you 
> considered using Textile, the 'humane web text generator'?
> 
>   <http://textism.com/tools/textile/>
> 
> There are versions written in PHP, Perl, Python, and even ASP... I found 
> it very easy to use the Perl version written by Brad Choate into a 
> simple CMS I wrote...
> 
> Back to the problem - my guess is the textarea of a browser displays 
> text (hence the name) not HTML, so I don't know if you'll get what you 
> want to work...
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> 


From jasonh at corestar.co.uk  Tue Nov 11 11:59:59 2003
From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:59:59 -0000
Subject: [thelist] displaying character entities in textareas
In-Reply-To: <3FB10C4A.4090805@cygnusinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <DIEPJJHJLEDGNOPBGMCAEEDICPAA.jasonh@corestar.co.uk>

> I don't have a solution to your problem, but a suggestion... Instead of
> using a text filter to change *foo* into <strong>foo</strong> have you
> considered using Textile, the 'humane web text generator'?
>
>    <http://textism.com/tools/textile/>
>
> There are versions written in PHP, Perl, Python, and even ASP... I found
> it very easy to use the Perl version written by Brad Choate into a
> simple CMS I wrote...

If there's a repository of downloadable versions somewhere, I'd love to know
where it is. They don't appear to be on his website anywhere. (An ASP.NET
version would be great -- otherwise I guess I'll have to write one...)



J


From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Tue Nov 11 12:06:25 2003
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:06:25 +0000
Subject: SV: [thelist] Simple XPath question
In-Reply-To: <000401c3a7e9$574f01c0$0400a8c0@marcusnb>
References: <000401c3a7e9$574f01c0$0400a8c0@marcusnb>
Message-ID: <3FB12521.3040105@fstorr.demon.co.uk>

Marcus Andersson wrote:
> <xsl:template match="para">
> 	<p><xsl:copy-of select="node()"/></p>
> </xsl:template>
> 
> By doing this you will copy all child nodes of para to the result tree
> (all text nodes, child elements etc.). If you want to make sure that you
> only copy elements and text you can use <xsl:copy-of select="*|text()"/>
> instead.

+++++++

Thanks Marcus, that really helps

Regards

F



From ehartfield at sflabs.com  Tue Nov 11 11:16:33 2003
From: ehartfield at sflabs.com (Edward Hartfield)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:16:33 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Javascript - Form value undefined
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3a821$d65e5780$050a8aca@timburgan>
Message-ID: <HPEELNOPMACDLLFGJFMMGEKHDLAA.ehartfield@sflabs.com>

If I'm not mistaken, this refers to the document, not the form.  You've got two forms on your page, but your code doesn't distinguish between them.

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Hello,

I'm doing a basic JavaScript course at the moment - I'm trying to use logical
operators at the moment, but I've got stuck right at the beginning with
submitting a value from a form into JavaScript.

I've stripped the page down to 2 forms that are identical except from the data
input methods - 1 works (text inputs), 1 doesn't (radio inputs).

<http://www.greaterthani.com/05_programming/week5help.htm>

The form with the radio button displays a result of 'undefined', when it should
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From peterwakeford at intekom.co.za  Tue Nov 11 11:53:56 2003
From: peterwakeford at intekom.co.za (Peter Wakeford)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:53:56 +0200
Subject: [thelist] What should Cint(True) return?
Message-ID: <000c01c3a87c$c83c4530$8383ef9b@phoenix>

Can anyone experts out there tell me why Cint(TRUE) returns -1 instead of 1?

Why is TRUE in this function equating to a bit notation of 10000000 (where 1 is the MSB) instead of 00000001 (where 1 is the LSB)?
In signed binary notation 00000001 should = 1.

Any comments welcome.


From steve at plankdesign.com  Tue Nov 11 12:34:01 2003
From: steve at plankdesign.com (Steve Bissonnette)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:34:01 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Multiple IE in Windows - SOLUTION
Message-ID: <BBD695C9.37E8%steve@plankdesign.com>


Thought I'd point this out a it's something many people on this list have
probably come up against at some time or another,

How To Run Multiple IE's in Windows,
http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE



-------

Untested by myself, but I'm going to attempt it under XP here next week.

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From chris at fastspot.com  Tue Nov 11 12:40:44 2003
From: chris at fastspot.com (Christopher Styles)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:40:44 -0500
Subject: [thelist] menu samples...
In-Reply-To: <003701c3a876$21b12290$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>
References: <003701c3a876$21b12290$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>
Message-ID: <3FB12D2C.1030601@fastspot.com>

Hi Bruce,
Check out (if you haven't already), Thomas Brattli's Coolmenus 
system...It is highly configurable and I can't really imagine what it 
can't do. It is cross browser and *solid* - I can't give it a high 
enough reccomendation :) Like you, I searched for a really long time for 
a nice menu system, one that could be generated from a database and be 
expandable, etc. This is certainly right on the money...And the forums 
for this are really good too. If you need an "addin" then someone has 
probably already written it. It's super easy to extend.

http://www.dhtmlcentral.com/projects/coolmenus/

I have used it on several CMS's and even built a db-driven frontend that 
you can add an unlimited amount of children to any menu item, and 
continue adding menu items indefinitely...good stuff...

chris( )



bruce wrote:
> hi....
> 
> looking for sample menus that will allow me to create drop down menus with
> hidden submenus...
> 
> (horizontal menu)
> 
>      cat      foo
>      test     qqqq
>       aaa      bbb
>       etc...
> 
> the cat/foo items are top level items in the horizontal nav bar
> 
> cat has the structure:
> 
>       test  <---- child of cat
>        aaa  <---- submenu/child of test
>       etc...
> 
> i'd like to be able to have/add child/submenus to the nav menu. it's
> important to be able to display the child menus underneath the parent, as
> opposed to being displayed off to the side..
> 
> i'd also like any pointers to good drop down/menu scripts for vertical
> menus. i'd like to be able to present the menu items and "hide" the
> child/submenu items. the user would be able to see/hide the child items by
> toggling the parent menu item...
> 
> 
>      fooo
>       -test  <-----
>         aaa
>        test2
>        test3
> 
>      fooo
>       +test   <-----
>        test2
>        test3
> 
> toggling the "test" item displays/hides the underlying "aaa" item...
> 
> i'd like the items to be listed underneath each other, as opposed to
> displayed out to the side.....
> 
> we've seen a number of menu samples/scripts..but nothing that really can do
> what we've described...
> 
> any help/assistance/pointers would be helpful.....
> 
> thanks
> 
> -bruce
> bedouglas at earthlink.net
> 
> 
> 

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From dunstan at 1976design.com  Tue Nov 11 13:37:43 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:37:43 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
	click - solved
In-Reply-To: <003e01c3a872$c4d11240$0300000a@hershel2000>
References: <20031111155406.M49813@1976design.com>
	<003e01c3a872$c4d11240$0300000a@hershel2000>
Message-ID: <20031111193743.M26441@1976design.com>

Hi there,

> Hershel Robinson wrote some JS code for me...

Thanks for that Hershel, that got me started down the right road and I now have
a fully working version of what I want:

http://www.1976design.com/dev/divcolor/

I discovered the problem with my code was that this:

(i != 0)

crashed my browsers, while this:

if (i != 0)

doesn't.

Eg. This works:

for (var i = 0; i < relatedItems.length; i++)
  {
  if (i != 0)
    {
    document.getElementById(relatedItems[i]).className = "question";
    }
 else
    {
    document.getElementById(relatedItems[i]).className = "answer";
    }
  )


Very odd :o/

Thanks - Dunstan

---------------------------
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From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Tue Nov 11 13:53:32 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:53:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
 click - solved
In-Reply-To: <20031111193743.M26441@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <004401c3a88d$7d0bb440$0300000a@hershel2000>

> I discovered the problem with my code was that this:
>
> (i != 0)
>
> crashed my browsers, while this:
>
> if (i != 0)
>
> doesn't.
>
> Eg. This works:
>
> for (var i = 0; i < relatedItems.length; i++)
>   {
>   if (i != 0)
>     {
>     document.getElementById(relatedItems[i]).className = "question";
>     }
>  else
>     {
>     document.getElementById(relatedItems[i]).className = "answer";
>     }
>   )
>
>
> Very odd :o/

Not sure why you find this odd. Most languages require the keyword 'if'
before an if/else statement.

I would actually clean up the above code to this:
for (var i = 0; i < relatedItems.length; i++)
	document.getElementById(relatedItems[i]).className = (i != 0) ? "question"
: "answer"

:)

Hershel


From dunstan at 1976design.com  Tue Nov 11 14:11:13 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:11:13 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
	click - solved
In-Reply-To: <004301c3a88c$2e40eac0$0300000a@hershel2000>
References: <20031111193743.M26441@1976design.com>
	<004301c3a88c$2e40eac0$0300000a@hershel2000>
Message-ID: <20031111201113.M40149@1976design.com>

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:44:11 -0500, Hershel Robinson wrote
> Not sure why you find this odd. Most languages require the keyword if before
> an if/else statement.

Doh!

Sorry, typos galore!
I meant:

if (i = 0)

crashed my browsers, while this:

if (i != 0)

doesn't. So I had to swap the logic around a little bit.

_That_ I find odd :o)


> I would actually clean up the above code to this:
> for (var i = 0; i < relatedItems.length; i++)
> document.getElementById(relatedItems[i]).className = (i != 0) ? "question"
> : "answer"

Ah, much nicer, I forgot about that.

Thanks again - Dunstan

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From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Tue Nov 11 14:25:38 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:25:38 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
 click - solved
In-Reply-To: <20031111201113.M40149@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c3a891$f8e41f90$0300000a@hershel2000>

> Sorry, typos galore!
> I meant:
>
> if (i = 0)
>
> crashed my browsers, while this:
>
> if (i != 0)
>
> doesn't. So I had to swap the logic around a little bit.
>
> _That_ I find odd :o)

LOL at the typo. :)

The line

if (i = 0)

is not syntactically valid JS. The = character is assignment not comparison.
To compare i to zero you would use:

if (i == 0)

Hershel


From russgriechen at comcast.net  Tue Nov 11 13:26:55 2003
From: russgriechen at comcast.net (Russell Griechen)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:26:55 -0600
Subject: [thelist] [novice] Help with CSS layout
References: <AC675C59-1432-11D8-8895-0003931B3B06@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c3a889$c5060d80$fd953e44@tupelo01.ms.comcast.net>



>
> I'm trying to create a page template for a WebObjects application, and
> use CSS to define the layout instead of tables. I am a CSS novice, and
> the layout is killing me. I can fall back to tables if I have to, so
> this is all academic right now. But, I want to learn!
I am thinking that using a template controlled site such as:

First thing for a template site is to create the structure.
Break up your code to match the filenames noted below.
[code]
<?php
$title ='Sportsmen Afield';
$server_inc = $_SERVER["DOCUMENT_ROOT"]."/inc";
include $server_inc."/header.php";
include $server_inc."/logo.php";
include $server_inc."/topnav.php";
include $server_inc."/leftnav.php";
include $server_inc."/right.php";
?>
<body>
<?

?>
<div id="content">
<h4></h4>
<!-- Content goes here -->
</div>
<?php
include $server_inc."/footer.php";
?>
</body>
</html>
[/code]
The above code would effectively break up the different facets of the web
page code that would allow a fairly good way of presenting the elements of
such a combination.

This code generates the page at http://foxhuntingworld.com
There is no info in the left column...the css file is in the index.php file
source.


From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Tue Nov 11 14:33:25 2003
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:33:25 -0000
Subject: [thelist] htdig
In-Reply-To: <0C217BAF-1190-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
References: <0C217BAF-1190-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <opryhp1zqcc4uo5t@localhost>

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:05:38 -0800, Diane Soini <dianesoini at earthlink.net> 
wrote:

> I've been researching and testing htdig. Does anyone have experience 
> with it they could share with me?

I've used it on an Intranet and this site: http://www.torbytes.co.uk/

where I tweaked the pages to allow htdig to show thumbnails in results (a 
trick that requires you to have full control over the site you are 
searching and be prepared to sacrifice the page title)

I've set it up on *nix and Windows.

The only downside for me is the lack of phase searching, but that's now in 
beta so may soon be sorted.

mail me off list if you have specific questions...

Tony



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From Jin.Park at ang.af.mil  Tue Nov 11 14:56:36 2003
From: Jin.Park at ang.af.mil (Park Jin CIV ANG/LG)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:56:36 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with
	 one click - solved
Message-ID: <159296AA231FD84F915DD429BE071FFF03E3CB4C@rcml002>

You might have wanted i==0 instead?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dunstan Orchard [mailto:dunstan at 1976design.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:11 PM
To: evolt list
Subject: RE: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with
one click - solved


On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:44:11 -0500, Hershel Robinson wrote
> Not sure why you find this odd. Most languages require the keyword if 
> before an if/else statement.

Doh!

Sorry, typos galore!
I meant:

if (i = 0)

crashed my browsers, while this:

if (i != 0)

doesn't. So I had to swap the logic around a little bit.

_That_ I find odd :o)


From MPlunkett at MSA.com  Tue Nov 11 15:14:13 2003
From: MPlunkett at MSA.com (Plunkett, Matt)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:14:13 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with
	 one click - solved
Message-ID: <E5C785D03A1ED511B54F00508BB1E96803C71BDC@IRONBARK.msais.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: Hershel Robinson

> The line

> if (i = 0)

> is not syntactically valid JS. The = character is assignment not
comparison.
> To compare i to zero you would use:

> if (i == 0)

if (i = 0) 

is perfectly valid syntactically.  It just doesn't do what he intended,
which is what makes bugs of this type so annoying to ferret out.  It will
always be true.

I agree with the original poster that it is odd that this crashed his
browser.

From jsWalter at torres.ws  Tue Nov 11 15:46:16 2003
From: jsWalter at torres.ws (jsWalter)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:46:16 -0600
Subject: [thelist] request for XB caretPOS code...
Message-ID: <NHBBJMGBIKDCKHJPABFJEEFCGFAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>

I have a piece of code that will retrieve the current position of a the
insertion bar within a TEXT element at that given moment...

   /* Copyright (C) George Zabanah April 8, 2003 */
   /* Please feel free to use this ... but leave this header on top */
   // 'bolStart' = true  - return beginning point of selection
   // 'bolStart' = false - return ending point of selection
   // If no select is made, then either will return current caret location
   function ReturnCaretPOS ( bolStart )
   {
      var caretPos = window.document.selection.createRange().duplicate();
          caretPos.collapse(bolStart);
          caretPos.moveStart("textedit",-1);
      return caretPos.text.length;
   }

This works great in IE 4/5/6.

Does anyone have any ides on how to accomplish this in NN, Mozilla, Firebird
and Opera?

Yes, I'm working on another X-Browser project.

Thanks for your help.

Walter



From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 15:46:44 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:46:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Enterprise site architecture/CMS question
Message-ID: <20031111214644.2618.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

Wondering about your opinions on how to handle static content on a
large enterprise size site.

Imagine a site that has say 7 categories, each category has multiple
sub categories and theres roughly 200 pages, many with static
content. The template for most pages is the same or similar.

But the body of the template has varying content/HTML. I know there's
lots of ways to handle this content but I wonder what you all thought
was the most efficient. 

It doesn't seem that putting the content/html into a database is the
best way to go on one hand - although it would seem to make editing
that content easy.

Anyway, thoughts, links etc ..

Tom

=====
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http://www.DMXzone.com/ :: JavaScript Author / Every Friday!
http://www.thywordistruth.net/ :: Eternal Life

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From dunstan at 1976design.com  Tue Nov 11 16:15:00 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:15:00 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Opera, ooh, get you...
In-Reply-To: <opryhsgzjmzev1x7@localhost>
References: <20031111133942.M90075@1976design.com>
	<opryhsgzjmzev1x7@localhost>
Message-ID: <20031111221500.M6259@1976design.com>

Hi everyone,

I don't know if this is widely publicised or not, but have you tried hitting
SHIFT-F11 in the latest versions of Opera yet? It reformats the page to fit the
screen width of a mobile phone, and if a handheld style sheet is present, uses
that. Really rather neat.

A bit more info and a screen shot at:
http://www.1976design.com/blog/archive/2003/11/11/47/

Cheers - Dunstan

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.1976design.com/blog/

From evolt at pixelwright.com  Tue Nov 11 16:17:25 2003
From: evolt at pixelwright.com (James Aylard)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:17:25 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
	click - solved
References: <E5C785D03A1ED511B54F00508BB1E96803C71BDC@IRONBARK.msais.com>
Message-ID: <014501c3a8a1$96ab36f0$5360398a@newcos.com>

Plunkett, Matt wrote:

> if (i = 0)
>
> is perfectly valid syntactically.  It just doesn't do what he
> intended, which is what makes bugs of this type so annoying to ferret
> out.  It will always be true.

    One coding practice that can help alleviate this problem to some degree
is to place the numeric value as the left operand and the variable as the
right operand, e.g.:

if (0 == i)

    Because if you goof it up and only type one "equal" sign, e.g.:

if (0 = i)

    it will throw a Javascript error.

James Aylard


From meredith at pintsize.com  Wed Nov 12 17:31:25 2003
From: meredith at pintsize.com (Meredith Tupper)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:31:25 -0500
Subject: [thelist] need estimate to set up spidermail.php form
Message-ID: <3FB2C2CD.7020509@pintsize.com>

Hello evolters,

Tony Crockford was kind enough to turn me on to spidermail.php but I'm 
too busy to set it up right now.  Anyone interested in giving me an 
estimate?  Quick cash for the php-inclined.

Thanks,
Meredith

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From joshua at waetech.com  Tue Nov 11 16:32:51 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:32:51 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
	click - solved
References: <E5C785D03A1ED511B54F00508BB1E96803C71BDC@IRONBARK.msais.com>
Message-ID: <04f701c3a8a3$be370bc0$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Plunkett, Matt" <MPlunkett at MSA.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:14 PM


> if (i = 0)
>
> is perfectly valid syntactically.  It just doesn't do what he intended,
> which is what makes bugs of this type so annoying to ferret out.  It will
> always be true.
>
> I agree with the original poster that it is odd that this crashed his
> browser.

Matt, et al,

In this case that statement actually ASSIGNS the variable i the value of 0,
which will cause the for loop to continue indefinitely since i will never
reach the value of relatedItems.length.  It will, therefore, appear to crash
the browser.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From kr43m0r at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 17:15:40 2003
From: kr43m0r at earthlink.net (Lonnie)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:15:40 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Enterprise site architecture/CMS question
References: <20031111214644.2618.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002601c3a8a9$b996e800$6401a8c0@yoda>

> Wondering about your opinions on how to handle static content on a
> large enterprise size site.
>
> Imagine a site that has say 7 categories, each category has multiple
> sub categories and theres roughly 200 pages, many with static
> content. The template for most pages is the same or similar.
>
> But the body of the template has varying content/HTML. I know there's
> lots of ways to handle this content but I wonder what you all thought
> was the most efficient.
>
> It doesn't seem that putting the content/html into a database is the
> best way to go on one hand - although it would seem to make editing
> that content easy.
>
> Anyway, thoughts, links etc ..

Hi Tom,

One efficient way to handle static content is to write content pages that
call the template - somewhat upsidedown as logic goes. This is a very
flexible approach and quite simple to implement once you get your head
around the concept. Since you mention databased content, I assume you are
expecting a server-side method.

If the concepts sounds viable, write me offlist and I'll get into more
detail.

Lonnie



From billh at vioma.com  Tue Nov 11 17:44:53 2003
From: billh at vioma.com (Bill Hughey)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:53 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Wingdings on Submit Buttons?
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1260241290.26445.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

Anyone have experience using Webdings as characters in a span instead of a button?  I am trying to make this work cross-browser with both Netscape and IE.   IE works but Netscape 7 doesn't.
> Rob Smith wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone had experience with adding symbols provided by wingdings
> > (other?) on submit buttons?
> 
>     If this is on an Intranet where you are confident users will have the
> Wingdings font installed, this will work (by applying Wingdings as the
> font-family for the button-type input or button element). But I wouldn't
> recommend it on the open Internet, as some visitors to your page may not
> have the font installed and will likely be confused by the odd characters on
> the button.
> 
> James Aylard
> 
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From ldelahunty at britstream.com  Tue Nov 11 17:53:52 2003
From: ldelahunty at britstream.com (Liam Delahunty)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:53:52 -0000
Subject: [thelist] SSL cert check. https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/ +
	sidebar
In-Reply-To: <D0CE046E-1452-11D8-8895-0003931B3B06@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DPEEJKJMBMMJNBKDKFLHMEKBEFAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com>

Geoff Hopson Sent: 11 November 2003 14:25
Subject: Re: [thelist] SSL cert check. https://secure.britstream.com/~corx/

Many thanks for everyone's input today.

>The padlock shows up but says that it is an invalid certificate.
>MacOSX 10.2.8, Safari 1.0

I just don't get it. Surely a thawte cert is normally trusted by Safari?
Aren't they the #2 cert issuer? of curiosity, what happens if you visit
https://www.thawte.com/ ?

>On IE5 on Mac, broken image...

the image comes from Thawte themselves, in a live checking thingy. As a
sidebar I was wondering if I should remove this (clients seem to like it
though) as it showing up at all is probably dependant on Internet
connectivity, and possibly connection speeds. What are your thoughts?

>HTH,

Hmmm. Yeah, cheers!

>Geoff

Kind regards,
Liam


From mark at safefrombees.com  Tue Nov 11 18:11:42 2003
From: mark at safefrombees.com (Mark M)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:11:42 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Trying to be as Div as possible
Message-ID: <1068595902.3fb17abeeb5c4@postoffice.tpg.com.au>

Hey all - 

Here I am trying to be as div/CSS as possible ;) and struggling to get the results i want.

Hopefully someone can help me out.

I have a corporate header I HAVE to nclude, which is a series of tables, so I have no choice 
about that part.

However, what I'm trying to do is set up an area that is basically the size of the browser 
screen - and essentiall I have this - 

<div id="red" style="width: 100%; height: 100%; border: 1px solid red;">
<table> <!--- corp header table !---> </table>
   <div id="blue" style="width: 100%; height: 100%; border: 1px solid  blue;">
   my real content here.
   </div>
</div>

This is the test version of what I want to do - essentially the full height div will end up being 
floated left, and become my nav bar for the screen.

The problem with that is that the inner div (blue) also wants to be 100% of the browser 
window, and therefore pushes the div (red) to greater than 100% of the window - causing a 
scroll bar. What I really want is pretty much like I want the div (blue) to be 100% - 
corpheader.height.

If I can't do it - I can't do it - but any help would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Mark

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 18:17:55 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript: trim function?
Message-ID: <20031112001755.84493.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I have a number like this: 4234.343899238

I want to trim that to just 4234.34. Anyone have a handy function for
this before I re-create the wheel?

TIA

Tom

=====
http://www.pixelmech.com/ :: Web Development Services
http://www.DMXzone.com/ :: JavaScript Author / Every Friday!
http://www.thywordistruth.net/ :: Eternal Life

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From evolt at pixelwright.com  Tue Nov 11 18:32:08 2003
From: evolt at pixelwright.com (James Aylard)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:32:08 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Wingdings on Submit Buttons?
References: <200311111917515.SM02624@acornparenting.org>
Message-ID: <015801c3a8b4$68a836a0$5360398a@newcos.com>

Bill Hughey wrote:
> Anyone have experience using Webdings as characters in a span instead
> of a button?  I am trying to make this work cross-browser with both
> Netscape and IE.   IE works but Netscape 7 doesn't.

    I'm not aware of any reason off-hand why Netscape 7 wouldn't render
Wingdings characters. You'll need to show us relevant CSS and HTML.

James Aylard


From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Nov 11 18:57:46 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:57:46 +1100
Subject: [thelist] What should Cint(True) return?
References: <000c01c3a87c$c83c4530$8383ef9b@phoenix>
Message-ID: <022301c3a8b7$fc817550$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Peter Wakeford" <peterwakeford at intekom.co.za>
Subject: [thelist] What should Cint(True) return?


: Can anyone experts out there tell me why Cint(TRUE)
: returns -1 instead of 1?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm not sure why you expect it to be otherwise. Direct from the VBScript
documentation:

<quote>
The True keyword has a value equal to -1.

See Also
False
</quote>

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=01592C48-207D-4BE1-8A76-1C4099D7BBB9&displaylang=en

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)


From hassan at webtuitive.com  Tue Nov 11 19:51:07 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:51:07 -0800
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript: trim function?
In-Reply-To: <20031112001755.84493.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031112001755.84493.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FB1920B.90002@webtuitive.com>

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

> I have a number like this: 4234.343899238
> 
> I want to trim that to just 4234.34. Anyone have a handy function for
> this before I re-create the wheel?

Math.round() is a built-in JavaScript function ...

<http://devedge.netscape.com/library/manuals/2000/javascript/1.5/reference/math.html#1197725>

HTH!
-- 
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

                           dream.  code.




From dianesoini at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 19:57:37 2003
From: dianesoini at earthlink.net (Diane Soini)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:57:37 -0800
Subject: [thelist] htdig
In-Reply-To: <200311102018.1ajpZn3Aj3NZFl50@vulture>
Message-ID: <96DD6D52-14B3-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>

Has anyone used htdig? I'm interested in any examples of customized 
search pages. The standard htdig advanced search page has a drop-down 
list for boolean, any and all words search and a few other drop downs, 
and it appears that everybody who uses htdig sticks with this same 
layout. I'm curious if anyone has really customized it, maybe done 
something that mimics the google advanced search page, or otherwise 
enhanced the user-interface to make it more user-friendly.


From joshua at waetech.com  Tue Nov 11 21:31:35 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:31:35 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Trying to be as Div as possible
References: <1068595902.3fb17abeeb5c4@postoffice.tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <054501c3a8cd$79ce4870$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark M" <mark at safefrombees.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:11 PM


> <div id="red" style="width: 100%; height: 100%; border: 1px solid red;">
> <table> <!--- corp header table !---> </table>
>    <div id="blue" style="width: 100%; height: 100%; border: 1px solid
blue;">
>    my real content here.
>    </div>
> </div>

> The problem with that is that the inner div (blue) also wants to be 100%
of the browser
> window, and therefore pushes the div (red) to greater than 100% of the
window - causing a
> scroll bar. What I really want is pretty much like I want the div (blue)
to be 100% -
> corpheader.height.

Mark,

Omit the width: 100% from the style declaration and the blue bordered div
will automatically fill its container, which is the div with the red border.
In general you should not specify a width if you also specify any of border,
padding, or spacing UNLESS all four are in the same units and you've
precalculated everything to make everything fit.

Is the table with the corporate logo 100% of the width or is it something
smaller.  If it's smaller then make note of its width and set the blue
bordered div accordingly.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Tue Nov 11 22:48:10 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:18:10 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
Message-ID: <001b01c3a8d8$2d01c980$690a8aca@timburgan>

hello,

as i've been trying to learn JavaScript - i'm a little stuck.. again

I don't know how to explain this, but instead of:

  document.formName.inputName.value
  (eg. <form name="example"> <input name="example">)

i want to use:

  document.formId.inputId.value
  (eg. <form id="example"> <input id="example" />)

the reason being, that to use the first example I must use
non-standards-compliant xhtml code in my documents.

So is there a way that JavaScript can use xhtml tag's ID elements rather than
the depreciated NAME element?

Thanks
Tim Burgan



From marcan at home.se  Tue Nov 11 23:11:37 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:11:37 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3a8d8$2d01c980$690a8aca@timburgan>
Message-ID: <001701c3a8db$73637d30$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>

var element = document.getElementById("example")

But you cannot have two elements with the same id. The form could be
named exampleForm instead.

/Marcus

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hello,

as i've been trying to learn JavaScript - i'm a little stuck.. again

I don't know how to explain this, but instead of:

  document.formName.inputName.value
  (eg. <form name="example"> <input name="example">)

i want to use:

  document.formId.inputId.value
  (eg. <form id="example"> <input id="example" />)

the reason being, that to use the first example I must use
non-standards-compliant xhtml code in my documents.

So is there a way that JavaScript can use xhtml tag's ID elements rather
than the depreciated NAME element?

Thanks
Tim Burgan


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From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Tue Nov 11 23:20:51 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:50:51 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <001701c3a8db$73637d30$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>
Message-ID: <001301c3a8dc$bddc2aa0$690a8aca@timburgan>

Thank you, yeah I understand you cannot have two elements with the same id.

Tah
Tim Burgan


From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Tue Nov 11 23:33:44 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:03:44 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <001701c3a8db$73637d30$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>
Message-ID: <001d01c3a8de$8a38f320$690a8aca@timburgan>

Hi,

 : ----- Original Message -----
 : From: "Marcus Andersson"
 :
 : var element = document.getElementById("example")


so how do I go about writing the following (which users the name elements) to
use the ID element:

document.formName.inputName.length

Tim



From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Tue Nov 11 23:45:48 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:15:48 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <001701c3a8db$73637d30$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>
	<001d01c3a8de$8a38f320$690a8aca@timburgan>
Message-ID: <004001c3a8e0$3ac2ee20$690a8aca@timburgan>

i just answered my own question .. thanks


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Wed Nov 12 00:24:44 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:24:44 -0800
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3a8d8$2d01c980$690a8aca@timburgan>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEBFLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

tim,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Tim Burgan
>
> as i've been trying to learn JavaScript - i'm a little
> stuck.. again
>
> I don't know how to explain this, but instead of:
>
>   document.formName.inputName.value
>   (eg. <form name="example"> <input name="example">)
>
> i want to use:
>
>   document.formId.inputId.value
>   (eg. <form id="example"> <input id="example" />)
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

don't.  there's no reason whatsoever to not use dom0 access methods.  use
the forms and elements collections for their intended purpose.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> the reason being, that to use the first example I must
> use non-standards-compliant xhtml code in my documents.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

that's bullshit.

sure, forms can't have a name attribute in xhtml, but not form fields.  they
*must* have a name attribute if you want the data to be submitted to the
server.

rethink your approach please.

thanks,

.jeff

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From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk  Wed Nov 12 03:12:15 2003
From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:12:15 -0000
Subject: [thelist] tag nameserver windoze/linux
Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCKEDMHJAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>



Does anyone know if there is a difference between linux and windoze when the
isptag is different to that of where the domai is hosted?

for example on a linux system the isptag doesn't have to be the same as long as
the namesers point to the right place.

The problem I have is a host has chnaged the tag and not the name servers and
the site has gone down.

If this was the case on a linux the site would still be there.

Any clues or is the site down becuse the name tag is being updated?

Cheers
Andrew


From kverens at contactjuggling.org  Wed Nov 12 03:52:56 2003
From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:52:56 +0000
Subject: [thelist] displaying character entities in textareas
In-Reply-To: <DIEPJJHJLEDGNOPBGMCAEEDICPAA.jasonh@corestar.co.uk>
References: <DIEPJJHJLEDGNOPBGMCAEEDICPAA.jasonh@corestar.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FB202F8.50202@contactjuggling.org>

Jason Handby wrote:

>>I don't have a solution to your problem, but a suggestion... Instead of
>>using a text filter to change *foo* into <strong>foo</strong> have you
>>considered using Textile, the 'humane web text generator'?
>>
>>   <http://textism.com/tools/textile/>
>>
>>There are versions written in PHP, Perl, Python, and even ASP... I found
>>it very easy to use the Perl version written by Brad Choate into a
>>simple CMS I wrote...
>>    
>>

The textism one is similar to how I was handling formats previously, but 
that htmlarea one is bloody fantastic! I hope the author accepts 
patches, though, as the HTML produced is archaic.

Thanks everyone,
Kae


From shilpabhoj at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 04:03:47 2003
From: shilpabhoj at hotmail.com (Shilpa)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:03:47 +0400
Subject: [thelist] arrays in java script
Message-ID: <000201c3a904$436fa760$4d010181@shilpa>

Hi,
Can anyone tell me how to send an array in client side Javascript
through a form to another VBScript server side page!!
Thanks
Shilpa

From evolt at david.us-lot.org  Wed Nov 12 04:11:43 2003
From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:43 +0000
Subject: [thelist] arrays in java script
In-Reply-To: <000201c3a904$436fa760$4d010181@shilpa>
Message-ID: <9D5DFF1E-14F8-11D8-AABA-000A957E4F00@david.us-lot.org>


On Wednesday, Nov 12, 2003, at 10:03 Europe/London, Shilpa wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how to send an array in client side Javascript
> through a form to another VBScript server side page!!
>
That the server side script is written in VBScript is largely 
irrelevant, you have at least a couple of options.

(1) You could encode the data using some character that you know won't 
appear in the data (e.g. if you use only numbers, you could encode 
(1,2,3,4) as a string "1x2x3x4") and then explode it in your server 
side script.

(2) You could generate a number of hidden inputs with the same name, 
and set each array item as the value of one of them.

The former means more work writing the server side code (as you'd have 
to explode it), the latter means more work on the client side (as most 
server side languages handle multiple inputs with the same name as an 
array anyway[1]).

[1] The obvious exception being PHP which requires specially formatted 
input data (i.e. the characters [ and ] at the end of the name)

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


From dunstan at 1976design.com  Wed Nov 12 04:23:02 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:23:02 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: altering BG color of multiple divs with one
	click
In-Reply-To: <200311120917.hAC9HAS04165@ns.graphitedesign.net>
References: <200311120917.hAC9HAS04165@ns.graphitedesign.net>
Message-ID: <20031112102302.M36864@1976design.com>

Thanks for all the comments on this guys.

Marcus <marcan at home.se> said "I really don't know why you would want to do this,
but okay..."

Well, the reason I wanted to do it was to add some functionality to a blog
comments system I was making. If you're interested you can see it explained here:

http://www.1976design.com/blog/archive/2003/11/12/48/

Though it's certainly had some holes shot in it, I'm still pleased with the
result. And I couldn't have done it without your help, so danke.


> From: "James Aylard" <evolt at pixelwright.com> wrote:
> 
> One coding practice that can help alleviate this problem to some degree
> is to place the numeric value as the left operand and the variable as the
> right operand, e.g.:
> 
> if (0 == i)
> 
> Because if you goof it up and only type one "equal" sign, e.g.:
> 
> if (0 = i)
> 
> it will throw a Javascript error.

Ah yes, good point, I saw that written down for PHP the other day, I must
remember it. Thanks.


Cheerio - Dunstan

p.s. If you ever find yourself building a system that uses Javascript's onclick,
and you change that behaviour to ondblclick for testing purposes, be sure not to
go for lunch and forget what you did. You could spend two hours frantically
stripping everything from your code trying to find out why the system no longer
works when you 'click' :o)

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.1976design.com/blog/

From dunstan at 1976design.com  Wed Nov 12 05:15:30 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:15:30 +0000
Subject: [thelist] JS: formatting onclick and onfocus
Message-ID: <20031112111530.M55697@1976design.com>

Good morning!

I have another wee JS problemo: the following code works perfectly in Moz FB
0.6.1, but the 'onfocus' bit is not acted upon by IE or Opera:

<li onclick="var relatedParentItems = new Array('cmnt153');
setParents(relatedParentItems); var relatedChildItems = new Array('cmnt153',
'cmnt157'); setChildren(relatedChildItems);" onfocus="var relatedParentItems =
new Array('cmnt153'); setParents(relatedParentItems); var relatedChildItems =
new Array('cmnt153', 'cmnt157'); setChildren(relatedChildItems);">

And the W3C validator tells me:

there is no attribute "onfocus"

Am I coding this incorrectly?

Thanks for any help you can offer - Dunstan

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.1976design.com/blog/

From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Wed Nov 12 05:15:30 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:15:30 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: Assignment/Comparision (WAS  altering BG
 color etc. )
In-Reply-To: <E5C785D03A1ED511B54F00508BB1E96803C71BDC@IRONBARK.msais.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3a90e$48eb6ad0$0300000a@hershel2000>

> if (i = 0)
>
> is perfectly valid syntactically.  It just doesn't do what he
> intended,
> which is what makes bugs of this type so annoying to ferret
> out.

I stand corrected. The above line is valid. I thought I had tried this in
the past and it had failed, but I see now (empirically) that it does work.

> It will
> always be true.

Well, in reality it will always be false because it returns zero.

> I agree with the original poster that it is odd that this crashed his
> browser.

I do not think that line in and of itself crashed his browser. These lines:

var i=0
if (i=0) alert(0)
if (i=1) alert(1)

do not crash my browser (Win 2K IE6). I see one alert with the text '1' and
that's it.

Hershel


From JCone at municode.com  Wed Nov 12 06:33:18 2003
From: JCone at municode.com (Jonathan Cone)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:33:18 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Storing Time Duration in DB
Message-ID: <77025926DDD85A4D886C5B8A34E43E74300E23@exchange.internal.municode.com>

Hi list,
	My primary database is SQL Server 2000.  I'm pretty sure this question may range to other db's also though.  I am trying to store a time duration in a field in the database. For example length of a song, or how long it took to run a mile.  Something along the format of hr:min:sec.  The datetime datatype has this format, but it treats the data as a time, like 1 o'clock PM instead of 1 hour.  I think it would still work, but something seems fundamentally wrong with this.  
	The two other solutions I could think of were to have three seperate numeric fields, hours minutes and seconds, which also seemed wrong, or one field to hold the number of seconds and use the front end to convert to hours minutes seconds.  I'm happiest with the latter, but it just seems like there should be a better way to go about this.  I know I can't be the only one that's ever had this issue.  
	Any help, advice, suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
	Jonathan

From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Wed Nov 12 06:43:08 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:43:08 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Storing Time Duration in DB
In-Reply-To:  <77025926DDD85A4D886C5B8A34E43E74300E23@exchange.internal.municode.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c3a91a$873d2100$0300000a@hershel2000>

I have before stored times in seconds in DBs. It also makes calculations and
comparisons among times simpler.

That's my 2 cents.

Hershel

From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Wed Nov 12 06:47:31 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:17:31 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEBFLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c3a91b$23f25100$785e32d2@timburgan>

dude,

calm down.. just explain your point and leave it at that. obviously i'm looking
for help because i'm confused about the topic.

i don't appreciate the bad language either.

but, thanks for the constructive comments that you made.

tim burgan



From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Wed Nov 12 06:58:02 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:28:02 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <001b01c3a8d8$2d01c980$690a8aca@timburgan>
Message-ID: <00bb01c3a91c$9baeabc0$785e32d2@timburgan>

I've realised that the name attribute is depreciated, but only for certain
elements.

Thanks to Ineke van der Maat the explanation regarding depreciated elements.

   The attribute name is not appreciated for elements as input, only on the
   <a> and <map> elements.  Here are the difference between xhtml 1.0 and
   xhtml 1.1 concerning the attribute name:

   http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/changes.html#a_changes:
   On the a and map elements, the name attribute has been removed in favor
   of the id attribute (as defined in [XHTMLMOD]).

Cheers
Tim



From randyp at cycla.com  Wed Nov 12 06:59:36 2003
From: randyp at cycla.com (Randy Pearson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:59:36 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Opera, ooh, get you...
In-Reply-To: <20031111221500.M6259@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <12580406222089@dserver.cycla.com>

Wow, that's a nice feature!

Does anyone know how well these devices honor media="handheld" settings? For
example, do PocketPC browsers respond to that? Handspring?

-- Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> I don't know if this is widely publicised or not, but have 
> you tried hitting
> SHIFT-F11 in the latest versions of Opera yet? It reformats 
> the page to fit the
> screen width of a mobile phone, and if a handheld style sheet 
> is present, uses
> that. Really rather neat.
> 
> A bit more info and a screen shot at:
> http://www.1976design.com/blog/archive/2003/11/11/47/
> 
> Cheers - Dunstan


From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 07:27:59 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:27:59 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Storing Time Duration in DB
Message-ID: <BAY9-F45ZzJfgWZ1VBT0005b5bf@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

Hershel is exactly right. Every system - HW and SW - does time differently. 
But They all know about seconds.

Ken

>I have before stored times in seconds in DBs. It also makes calculations 
>and
>comparisons among times simpler.
>
>That's my 2 cents.
>
>Hershel

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From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Nov 12 07:38:57 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:38:57 -0500
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <001b01c3a8d8$2d01c980$690a8aca@timburgan>
	<00bb01c3a91c$9baeabc0$785e32d2@timburgan>
Message-ID: <007601c3a922$52cdd830$0300a8c0@client1>

Tim,

So what was does the final version of the code look like?  I'm guessing
something like this:

<form id="myform">
  <input type="text" name="myinput">
</form>

<script>
  form = document.getElementById("myform");
  input = form.elements.myinput;
  alert('The value is ' + input.value);
</script>

Or, are you saying that you can still have the name attribute in the form
tag and still be compliant?

As an aside, I often time find that most of the JS I write that modifies or
examines a form is triggered via the onsubmit handler for the form or
through one of the form's elements.  That being the case the reference to
the form is available immediately without having to go through the document
object.

Example:

<form id="myform" onsubmit="validate(this);">

When the validate function is called at the submittal of the form it's
parameter will now reference the calling form:

function validate(form)
{
  // form already contains a reference to the form, so I can go straight to
the elements.
  input = form.elements.myinput;
  alert('The value is ' + input.value);
}

Likewise, if the script is triggered via a form element, you could do the
following:

<input type="text" name="whatever" id="whatever"
onchange="dosomething(this.form);">

function dosomething(form)
{
  // form already contains a reference to the form, so I can go straight to
the elements.
  input = form.elements.myinput;
  alert('The value is ' + input.value);
}

One other pearl of wisdom:  it's a good idea to go through the elements
collection under the form object.  Here's an example of what I mean:

version 1: form.myinput.value
version 2: form.elements.myinput.value

The reason I recommend using the elements collection is because it
alleviates the problem where a field name matches an attribute name on the
form object.  If you have an element in the form called "name" for example
then the "name" attribute of the form object and it's element with the name
"name" will be in conflict.  Explicitly going through the elements
collection avoids this ambiguity.

If you specifically want to look at the attributes of the form itself you
can use the attributes collection, fyi.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com  Wed Nov 12 07:41:44 2003
From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:41:44 -0600
Subject: [thelist] displaying character entities in textareas
In-Reply-To: <DIEPJJHJLEDGNOPBGMCAEEDICPAA.jasonh@corestar.co.uk>
References: <DIEPJJHJLEDGNOPBGMCAEEDICPAA.jasonh@corestar.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FB23898.90209@cygnusinteractive.com>

Jason Handby wrote:
>>I don't have a solution to your problem, but a suggestion... Instead of
>>using a text filter to change *foo* into <strong>foo</strong> have you
>>considered using Textile, the 'humane web text generator'?
>>
>>   <http://textism.com/tools/textile/>
>>
>>There are versions written in PHP, Perl, Python, and even ASP... I found
>>it very easy to use the Perl version written by Brad Choate into a
>>simple CMS I wrote...
> 

> If there's a repository of downloadable versions somewhere, I'd love to know
> where it is. They don't appear to be on his website anywhere. (An ASP.NET
> version would be great -- otherwise I guess I'll have to write one...)

Here's what I know...

Perl:

   <http://www.bradchoate.com/past/001653.php>

Python:

   <http://diveintomark.org/projects/pytextile/>

PHP:

   <http://www.textism.com/article/739/>

VBScript:

   <http://www.agresticism.org/kitchen/ports/textile/>


Any more?

Pete





From BreezyGraphics at aol.com  Wed Nov 12 07:53:18 2003
From: BreezyGraphics at aol.com (BreezyGraphics at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:53:18 EST
Subject: [thelist] Eolas update...looking good for us!
Message-ID: <91.359a3002.2ce3954e@aol.com>

Man I hope this does it, Breezy.
<A HREF="http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5106129.html?tag=nefd_top">http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5106129.html?tag=nefd_top</A>

From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 08:05:56 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:05:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JS: formatting onclick and onfocus
In-Reply-To: <20031112111530.M55697@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <20031112140556.61080.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Dunstan Orchard <dunstan at 1976design.com> wrote:
> Good morning!
> 
> I have another wee JS problemo: the following code works perfectly
> in Moz FB 0.6.1, but the 'onfocus' bit is not acted upon by IE or 
> Opera:

Per the W3C

"The onfocus event occurs when an element receives focus either by
the pointing device or by tabbing navigation. This attribute may be
used with the following elements: A, AREA, LABEL, INPUT, SELECT,
TEXTAREA, and BUTTON."

Notice the absence of the LI ;). Not sure why it works in Mozzy. But
probably Opera and IE followed the spec. 

Even looking in the XHTML DTD I find:

<!ELEMENT li %Flow;>
<!ATTLIST li
  %attrs;
  type        %LIStyle;      #IMPLIED
  value       %Number;       #IMPLIED
  >

And it's not listed there as a scriptable handler either. If you look
at the form:

<!ATTLIST form
  %attrs;
  action      %URI;          #REQUIRED
  method      (get|post)     "get"
  name        NMTOKEN        #IMPLIED
  enctype     %ContentType;  "application/x-www-form-urlencoded"
  onsubmit    %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onreset     %Script;       #IMPLIED
  accept      %ContentTypes; #IMPLIED
  accept-charset %Charsets;  #IMPLIED
  target      %FrameTarget;  #IMPLIED
  >

Notice is shows the scriptable events. So I think the short answer
is, its out of spec and if it works, you "just got lucky" (Dokken,
1982)

hth

Tom


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From thelist at summit7solutions.com  Wed Nov 12 08:11:58 2003
From: thelist at summit7solutions.com (JWilhelm-thelist)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:11:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javacript OS-X Like Navigation Bar
Message-ID: <01cd01c3a926$f2c2f420$0a01a8c0@zion>

Good morning!

A month or two ago someone posted a link to a script he (or she) was working
on. It was a javascript implementation of a Mac OS-X like navigation bar,
where the icons smoothly grew when moused-over. Does anyone have that link
saved somewhere that they could send me?   

Thanks,
Jeff



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From evolt at accessibleinter.net  Wed Nov 12 08:17:26 2003
From: evolt at accessibleinter.net (Bill Mason)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:17:26 -0800
Subject: [thelist] That browser checking service...
In-Reply-To: <200311111929.hABJTKT24086@westhost45.westhost.net>
References: <200311111929.hABJTKT24086@westhost45.westhost.net>
Message-ID: <3FB240F6.5040909@accessibleinter.net>

Graham wrote:

> A while back someone flagged up a new (commercial?) tool for testing sites
> on multiple browsers. I can't find a reference to it in the archive, or on
> Google. Can anyone remember what it was?

Browsercam, http://www.browsercam.com/

-- 
Bill Mason
Accessible Internet
evolt at accessibleinter.net
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From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Nov 12 08:36:59 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:36:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JS: formatting onclick and onfocus
References: <20031112140556.61080.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a201c3a92a$6df13230$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" <pixelmech at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:05 AM


> Even looking in the XHTML DTD I find:
>
> <!ELEMENT li %Flow;>
> <!ATTLIST li
>   %attrs;
>   type        %LIStyle;      #IMPLIED
>   value       %Number;       #IMPLIED
>   >

Tom,

You are going down the right path, but you may want to take this a bit
farther.  Notice the reference to %attrs;?

Here's the definition of %attrs

<!ENTITY % attrs "%coreattrs; %i18n; %events;">

%attrs is defined as a union of %coreattrs; %i18n, and %events.

Here's %events

<!ENTITY % events
 "onclick     %Script;       #IMPLIED
  ondblclick  %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onmousedown %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onmouseup   %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onmouseover %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onmousemove %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onmouseout  %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onkeypress  %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onkeydown   %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onkeyup     %Script;       #IMPLIED"
  >

Therefore, most elements (including LI) define most of the scriptable
actions.

The DTD defines the following separately:

<!ENTITY % focus
 "accesskey   %Character;    #IMPLIED
  tabindex    %Number;       #IMPLIED
  onfocus     %Script;       #IMPLIED
  onblur      %Script;       #IMPLIED"
  >

onfocus and onblur are defined here and there doesn't seem to be a link into
these attributes from LI.  So, you are correct in that the DTD does not
specify onfocus as an attribute for LI in the markup, but it's important to
travel down all the paths of the DTD before coming to that conclusion.

Dunstan,

I can understand why you'd want to set the onclick handler for an LI, but
I'm not sure I understand how onfocus is applicable in any case.  Only
certain elements can be focused (links, buttons, etc) and it doesn't seem
likely that an LI logically can receive focus.

What did you have in mind when you looked at adding an onfocus handler to
the LI?

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 08:39:02 2003
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:39:02 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Eolas update...looking good for us!
Message-ID: <Sea2-F127enWjxkA6Z90003f7ab@hotmail.com>



>Man I hope this does it, Breezy.
><A 
>HREF="http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5106129.html?tag=nefd_top">http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5106129.html?tag=nefd_top</A>

Yup, looks pretty good.

Microsoft has gotten others to do their dirty work, which I believe was the 
whole purpose of the special IE/Eolas release. Web developers and everyone 
else became very nervous and were spurred into action.

As I said before, Microsoft is not planning to actually release the 
IE6/Eolas revision. It has now served its purpose.

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 08:52:23 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:52:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JS: formatting onclick and onfocus
In-Reply-To: <00a201c3a92a$6df13230$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <20031112145223.40038.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Joshua Olson <joshua at waetech.com> wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> You are going down the right path, but you may want to take this a
> bit farther.  Notice the reference to %attrs;?

<snipped>

Ahh, thanks Joshua! I had a feeling I had stopped short but I
couldn't figure out where and I thought I had pinned it down. Thanks
for the info.

Tom

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From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 10:13:56 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:13:56 -0700
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
Message-ID: <BAY9-F66CgxdvzhTLSm00041bef@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

I know that there is simple solution to this one.

On a form, using PHP to send an email that includes a comment area, I type 
in:
"It's me again."

And in the resulting email, I get this:
"It\'s me again."

What to do?

TIA,

Ken

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From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Wed Nov 12 10:21:41 2003
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:21:41 -0600
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B01AFAAC1@nemesis>

[snip]
"It's me again."

And in the resulting email, I get this:
"It\'s me again."

What to do?
[/snip]

http://www.php.net/stripslashes

From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Wed Nov 12 10:20:11 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:20:11 -0600
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51A8@smtmb.tmc.local>

> What to do?

The backslash is an escape character \$ \' \! etc. Find the place in your
code the escapes special characters and deal with it accordingly.

Rob

From cgeorge at basecorp.com  Wed Nov 12 10:27:55 2003
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:27:55 -0700
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
Message-ID: <6E85D194CD14D341AB3AF41DB59D1BAE0DE8D0@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>

Hi Ken,

Use stripslashes on your comment variable.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Moore [mailto:psm2713 at hotmail.com] 
> 
[snip]
> And in the resulting email, I get this:
> "It\'s me again."
> 
> What to do?

From jon at laughing-buddha.net  Wed Nov 12 10:30:20 2003
From: jon at laughing-buddha.net (Jon Haworth)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:30:20 -0000
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
References: <BAY9-F66CgxdvzhTLSm00041bef@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c3a93a$47a79c30$050a0a0a@eris>

Hi Ken,

> On a form, using PHP to send an email that 
> includes a comment area, I type in: "It's me again."
> 
> And in the resulting email, I get this: "It\'s me again."

Have a look at the stripslashes() function:
http://php.net/stripslashes

Cheers
Jon


From msjones815 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 10:39:51 2003
From: msjones815 at hotmail.com (Mark S Jones)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:39:51 -0600
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
References: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B01AFAAC1@nemesis>
Message-ID: <BAY1-DAV21z56OMri5F0000bceb@hotmail.com>

add this to the configuration file where $name is the name of the field you
want to
stripslashes from

$name = stripslashes($name);

Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Blanchard" <jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: [thelist] EMail format question.


[snip]
"It's me again."

And in the resulting email, I get this:
"It\'s me again."

What to do?
[/snip]

http://www.php.net/stripslashes
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From orion at electrick.net  Wed Nov 12 10:53:23 2003
From: orion at electrick.net (orion)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:53:23 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Enterprise site architecture/CMS question
In-Reply-To: <20031111214644.2618.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1AJyFC-0007dx-Lk@server.securesite7.com>

Where does your content come from?

I would pick different CMS solutions based on the way your content is
provided. Content from a large group of writers and publishers I would use
something like Microsoft's CMS especially if you need to separate one set of
publishers from another. OTOH I have other sites that receive XML documents
once a day from 3rd party sites which I use to update a central database. If
your content all comes from in-house then you may want to use a custom
template that is easy to edit and cheap to build.

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Tom Dell'Aringa
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:47 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Enterprise site architecture/CMS question

Hi all,

Wondering about your opinions on how to handle static content on a
large enterprise size site.

Imagine a site that has say 7 categories, each category has multiple
sub categories and theres roughly 200 pages, many with static
content. The template for most pages is the same or similar.

But the body of the template has varying content/HTML. I know there's
lots of ways to handle this content but I wonder what you all thought
was the most efficient. 

It doesn't seem that putting the content/html into a database is the
best way to go on one hand - although it would seem to make editing
that content easy.

Anyway, thoughts, links etc ..

Tom

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From kris at midtempo.net  Wed Nov 12 11:48:09 2003
From: kris at midtempo.net (kris burford)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:48:09 +0000
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
In-Reply-To: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B01AFAAC1@nemesis>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20031112174242.016d4a70@mail.btinternet.com>


>[snip]
>"It's me again."
>
>And in the resulting email, I get this:
>"It\'s me again."
>
>What to do?
>[/snip]
>
>http://www.php.net/stripslashes

i'm not sure this is right.

the manual at php.net suggests stripcslashes (!=stripslashes) where mail is 
concerned

http://uk2.php.net/mail
http://uk2.php.net/stripcslashes

hth

k


From John.Brooking at sappi.com  Wed Nov 12 11:56:34 2003
From: John.Brooking at sappi.com (John.Brooking at sappi.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:56:34 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Tip: Useful Windows Tools
Message-ID: <471E425A0BB6D211972C00105AC954240556C3E0@soportland.na.sappi.com>

Hey, everyone,

   I'm a bit frustrated that I haven't gotten any responses to my "Login
Screen Security" query which I posted on Monday [1]. I think I followed
rules of good posting (clear explanation, informative subject, no whining,
etc). But rather than bitch and moan, I'll try submitting a tip to improve
my give/take ratio and see if that improves the disposition of the list in
general towards me. (Sorry it's not technical - unfortunately, I haven't
been able to do a lot of web development recently at my job, so I can't
think of anything technical that most of you wouldn't already know.)

[1] http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20031110/151270.html
<http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20031110/151270.html> 

<tip type="Useful Windows Tools" author="John Brooking">

This is a short synopsis of two reasonably-priced (< $50) Windows-specific
tools which I use every day. I should state that I have no affiliation to
either of these vendors except as a standard customer, no personal
connection to any of their employees, and that I am submitting this tip
completely of my own initiative, purely as a service to the readers of this
list.

Text Editor: Ultra-Edit (http://www.ultraedit.com/
<http://www.ultraedit.com/> ). Features include opening and saving via FTP,
column mode editing, customizable syntax highlighting (the site includes
configuration files for pretty much any language you could use), DOS command
run and output capture, and keystroke macros.

Version Control: QVCS (http://www.qumasoft.com/ <http://www.qumasoft.com/> )
is a file-based version control tool which does not require database
support. It supports standard vc functionality
-- check check-in, check-out, get, history, keyword expansion -- and
supports the Microsoft SCC API for integration into most third-party IDE's.
It does not have its own text file comparison utility, but can be configured
to use any one, and recommends ExamDiff (http://www.prestosoft.com/
<http://www.prestosoft.com/> ), which I have found to be excellent, even the
free version. (Prestosoft also makes their own FTP-based version control
utility, FtpVC, which is an attractive idea to me, but I haven't tried it
yet.)

</tip>

- John
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From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Wed Nov 12 12:03:26 2003
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:03:26 -0600
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B02A22F@nemesis>

[snip]

>What to do?

>http://www.php.net/stripslashes

i'm not sure this is right.

the manual at php.net suggests stripcslashes (!=stripslashes) where mail
is 
concerned

http://uk2.php.net/mail
http://uk2.php.net/stripcslashes
[/snip]

Actually, it does not suggest that at all and these are intended for two
diffent stripping operations

stripslashes - Returns a string with backslashes stripped off. (\'
becomes ' and so on.) Double backslashes (\\) are made into a single
backslash (\). 

stripcslashes - Returns a string with backslashes stripped off.
Recognizes C-like \n, \r ..., octal and hexadecimal representation. 

From k.neirynck at belgacom.net  Wed Nov 12 12:12:35 2003
From: k.neirynck at belgacom.net (Kristof Neirynck)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:12:35 +0100
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEBFLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEBFLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <3FB27813.7050908@belgacom.net>

>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>>i want to use:
>>
>>  document.formId.inputId.value
>>  (eg. <form id="example"> <input id="example" />)
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> 
> don't.  there's no reason whatsoever to not use dom0 access methods.  use
> the forms and elements collections for their intended purpose.
> 

What Jeff is trying to explain is this:

var formNr = 0;
var elementName = 'theName';
var element = document.forms[formNr].elements[elementName];

This way you don't need id's.
It works in nn4+, ie4+ and any other browser that has some sort of 
javascript support.


-- 
Kristof



From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Nov 12 12:18:29 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:18:29 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Login Screen Security?
References: <471E425A0BB6D211972C00105AC954240556C3C0@soportland.na.sappi.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c3a949$5fa9b4d0$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <John.Brooking at sappi.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:41 PM


> * Is the Perl "crypt" function (which says it works exactly like the
> crypt(3) function in the C library) a sufficient means of encrypting the
> password?

Yes, I'd think so.

> I'm letting the administrator set a "salt" value in the software
> configuration file, and when a password comes in from the login screen, I
> encrypt it with the same "salt" and compare the result to the encrypted
> value in the users file. Sound okay?

Great idea.

> * If my login screen is not going through an SSL layer, is that a
> hole?

Yes, it's a hole, unless you encrypt the form value via client-side
scripting before submittal.  This may or may not be tough if you don't wish
to expose the salt value.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Wed Nov 12 12:21:31 2003
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:21:31 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Tip: Useful Windows Tools
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B01AFAACB@nemesis>

[snip]
   I'm a bit frustrated that I haven't gotten any responses to my "Login
Screen Security" query which I posted on Monday [1]. I think I followed
rules of good posting (clear explanation, informative subject, no
whining,
etc). But rather than bitch and moan, I'll try submitting a tip to
improve
my give/take ratio and see if that improves the disposition of the list
in
general towards me. (Sorry it's not technical - unfortunately, I haven't
been able to do a lot of web development recently at my job, so I can't
think of anything technical that most of you wouldn't already know.)
[/snip]

Did it occur to you that perhaps no one here had a solution for your
request? Nah, couldn't have. We were just ignoring you because we wanted
to.

From webdev at megalion.org  Wed Nov 12 12:38:30 2003
From: webdev at megalion.org (Megalion)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:38:30 -0800
Subject: [thelist] CSS issue, delinking??
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20031111035145.014f0f90@64.5.40.20>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20031112103748.014f01c0@64.5.40.20>


No one has any clue? I'm still fairly new to CSS, my blog skins are my 
attempts to teach myself CSS and work through the ins and outs...

At 03:53 AM 11/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>In Mozilla 1.4.1 on WinXP (and presumably other Win OSes), someone 
>reported to me that the "previous" links on my blog don't work.
>
>http://ponder.megalion.org/archives/individual/2003_11/000638.html?override 
>= venturaSunset
>
>The previous link on this entry is "wow". I don't understand what's 
>causing the link to delinkify so that you can't click on it.
>
>Could anyone shed some light?
>
>Thanks
>Megalion
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From John.Brooking at sappi.com  Wed Nov 12 12:37:58 2003
From: John.Brooking at sappi.com (John.Brooking at sappi.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:37:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Login Screen Security
Message-ID: <471E425A0BB6D211972C00105AC954240556C3E2@soportland.na.sappi.com>

Thanks for the response, Josh. I was just preparing a follow-up on some
client-side JavaScript I found which implements crypt, but your message sort
of beat me to the punch.

On the salt exposure problem: Even if the cracker can sniff the salt (now
there's an image!), does it do him any good? It would certainly give him a
much improved chance of guessing the password by running his guesses through
his own crypt function to positively identify a match with what he sniffed.
But he's still guessing passwords, so he's not any further ahead than if he
was guessing passwords at a regular login screen that submits via SSL,
right? It *is* kind of shame to protect the salt so well on the server side,
only to expose it on the client, but if it doesn't hurt us, is that really a
problem?

I'll incorporate our conclusions, with a URL to the client-side crypt code,
into a tip.

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From k.neirynck at belgacom.net  Wed Nov 12 12:46:07 2003
From: k.neirynck at belgacom.net (Kristof Neirynck)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:46:07 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Javacript OS-X Like Navigation Bar
In-Reply-To: <01cd01c3a926$f2c2f420$0a01a8c0@zion>
References: <01cd01c3a926$f2c2f420$0a01a8c0@zion>
Message-ID: <3FB27FEF.5050909@belgacom.net>

JWilhelm-thelist wrote:

> A month or two ago someone posted a link to a script he (or she) was working
> on. It was a javascript implementation of a Mac OS-X like navigation bar,
> where the icons smoothly grew when moused-over. Does anyone have that link
> saved somewhere that they could send me?   

This was Joshua Olson's idea.
<http://concepts.waetech.com/macdock/>
I had a go at it too.
<http://kristof.f2o.org/test/dock/>

It's slow if you use a lot of "icons".
16 - like I used - is a bit overkill.
It's also slower on non-msie browsers.
event.offsetX and event.offsetY being msie-only.
I've used ppk's great knowledge to fake them, but it isn't quite as fast.

I never realy saw it as a realy usefull thing.
Most Mac OS-X users told me they disabled this feature
It's been compared to "boxing with your computer".

Let me know what you did with it.


-- 
Kristof


From hassan at webtuitive.com  Wed Nov 12 12:57:44 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:57:44 -0800
Subject: [thelist] CSS issue, delinking??
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20031112103748.014f01c0@64.5.40.20>
References: <4.2.0.58.20031112103748.014f01c0@64.5.40.20>
Message-ID: <3FB282A8.80606@webtuitive.com>

Megalion wrote:

>> In Mozilla 1.4.1 on WinXP (and presumably other Win OSes), someone 
>> reported to me that the "previous" links on my blog don't work.
>>
>> http://ponder.megalion.org/archives/individual/2003_11/000638.html?override 
>> = venturaSunset
>>
>> The previous link on this entry is "wow". I don't understand what's 
>> causing the link to delinkify so that you can't click on it.

It worked fine for me in Moz FB 0.6, in spite of (or maybe because
of?) that page being full of these error messages ...

Warning: main(/usr/local/psa/home/vhosts/ponder.megalion.org/httpdocs/mt/skins/ 
venturasunset/header.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in 
/usr/local/psa/home/vhosts/ponder.megalion.org/httpdocs/archives/individual/2003_11/000638.html 
on line 42

HTH!
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From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Nov 12 12:58:17 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:58:17 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Login Screen Security
References: <471E425A0BB6D211972C00105AC954240556C3E2@soportland.na.sappi.com>
Message-ID: <007901c3a94e$eebc0ab0$0300a8c0@client1>

From: <John.Brooking at sappi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:37 PM


> On the salt exposure problem: Even if the cracker can sniff the salt (now
> there's an image!), does it do him any good? It would certainly give him a
> much improved chance of guessing the password by running his guesses
through
> his own crypt function to positively identify a match with what he
sniffed.
> But he's still guessing passwords, so he's not any further ahead than if
he
> was guessing passwords at a regular login screen that submits via SSL,
> right? It *is* kind of shame to protect the salt so well on the server
side,
> only to expose it on the client, but if it doesn't hurt us, is that really
a
> problem?

It's good to see the thought processes at work.

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From dunstan at 1976design.com  Wed Nov 12 13:32:50 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:32:50 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Re: JS: formatting onclick and onfocus
In-Reply-To: <200311121909.hACJ9NS14050@ns.graphitedesign.net>
References: <200311121909.hACJ9NS14050@ns.graphitedesign.net>
Message-ID: <20031112193250.M14611@1976design.com>

Hey Tom, Joshua, thanks for the help,

> Joshua Olson <joshua at waetech.com> wrote:
> I can understand why you'd want to set the onclick handler for an LI, but
> I'm not sure I understand how onfocus is applicable in any case.  Only
> certain elements can be focused (links, buttons, etc) and it doesn't seem
> likely that an LI logically can receive focus.
> 
> What did you have in mind when you looked at adding an onfocus handler 
> to the LI?

Well, first off, I wanted the onfocus even to run if people clicked on a
relative link from another comment. Clicking on a 'view this related comment'
link takes you (unsuprisingly) to the <li> that contains that comment. It's the
<li>s that have the IDs, and so it's them that gain focus when these relative,
inter-comment links are clicked.

The other occasion when I want the onfocus to run is when links are tabbed
through. I was thinking that the <li> is a container for a comment, and each
comment contains links. If any of these links received focus (through tabbing)
then (in essence) the <li> is also receiving focus, the onfocus event would
trigger and the <li> would display the 'I'm in focus' behaviour.

Is that enough info?

Cheers - Dunstan

p.s. is this anything to do with event bubbling?
http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events_order.html

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From SCaudill at municode.com  Wed Nov 12 13:49:32 2003
From: SCaudill at municode.com (Stephen Caudill)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:49:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] CSS issue, delinking??
Message-ID: <77025926DDD85A4D886C5B8A34E43E742D7794@exchange.internal.municode.com>

Megalion on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:39 PM said:

: No one has any clue? I'm still fairly new to CSS, my blog skins
: are my attempts to teach myself CSS and work through the ins and
: outs... 


Megalion,

  You may not have gotten responses right off, since neither the
html nor the css validate.  This is an important first step to 
getting peoples help...  

  There were a few problems with the CSS.  Mostly related to using
floats and relative positioning in conjunction or just incorrectly 
(no slight intended, that's scary country).  Also, always remember 
to define a width for any element you float.  There was really no 
reason to use relative positioning, so I replaced them with 
margin:auto;'s.

  The culprit appears to have been that the floats were causing 
layers to overlay each other but remain visible, causing the link 
to stop working... in any case, I tinkered and got it working. 
Here are the changed parts from your style sheet:

.bloghead {
margin-left:auto;
margin-right:auto;
background:url(http://ponder.megalion.org/mt/skins/venturaSunset/linksBg.jpg);
color: #FFF;
font-family: Papyrus, palatino, georgia, times new roman, serif;
font-size: medium;
height: 25px;
}

.topNav { 
margin-left:auto;
margin-right:auto;
height: 25px;
background-color: #55442A;
width: 720px;
left: 65px;
color: #E6C79B;
font-weight: bold;
}

.topNavPrev {
float:left;
text-align:left;
width:230px;
margin-left:10px;
} 
.topNavCenter {
float:left;
text-align:center;
width:240px;
}
.topNavNext {
float:left;
text-align:right;
width:230px;
margin-right:10px;
}

hth,
Stephen Caudill
http://www.mechavox.com/

From khallman at wrack.org  Wed Nov 12 13:54:58 2003
From: khallman at wrack.org (Kelly Hallman)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:54:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20031112174242.016d4a70@mail.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311121139110.25941-100000@clove.wrack.org>

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, kris burford wrote:
> i'm not sure this is right. the manual at php.net suggests stripcslashes
> (!=stripslashes) where mail is concerned
> 
> http://uk2.php.net/mail
> http://uk2.php.net/stripcslashes

I couldn't find where it said that. One thing that is important to note,
which does not seem to be widely understood is that most/many PHP
installations automatically run addslashes() on GET and POST input.

To reverse that, if you don't require it, you must run stripslashes().
I guess it's partly a security measure, for containing SQL injection.

As for mail, once the content is unslashed, then you can do whatever 
encoding is necessary for the mailer.

// Quick-and-dirty unslashing:
$post_noslash = array_map('stripslashes',$_POST);

-- 
Kelly Hallman
http://wrack.org/


From John.Brooking at sappi.com  Wed Nov 12 14:16:26 2003
From: John.Brooking at sappi.com (John.Brooking at sappi.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:16:26 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Login Screen Security
Message-ID: <471E425A0BB6D211972C00105AC954240556C3E4@soportland.na.sappi.com>

>> On the salt exposure problem: Even if the cracker can sniff the salt (now
>> there's an image!), does it do him any good? It would certainly give him
a
>> much improved chance of guessing the password by running his guesses
>through
>> his own crypt function to positively identify a match with what he
>sniffed.
>> But he's still guessing passwords, so he's not any further ahead than if
>he
>> was guessing passwords at a regular login screen that submits via SSL,
>> right? It *is* kind of shame to protect the salt so well on the server
>side,
>> only to expose it on the client, but if it doesn't hurt us, is that
really
>a
>> problem?
>
> It's good to see the thought processes at work.

But wait! That's no good!! Now all the cracker has to do is write his own
form and send the same crypted string ("etqKJte.0e." or whatever) as he sees
in the stream. Doesn't matter what the original password was! Back to rule
#1: Don't trust anything from the client.

Damn.

Were you waiting to see how long it would take me to realize that?  :-)

- John

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From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Nov 12 14:37:45 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:37:45 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Re: JS: formatting onclick and onfocus
References: <200311121909.hACJ9NS14050@ns.graphitedesign.net>
	<20031112193250.M14611@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c3a95c$d4338f20$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dunstan Orchard" <dunstan at 1976design.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:32 PM


> Well, first off, I wanted the onfocus even to run if people clicked on a
> relative link from another comment. Clicking on a 'view this related
comment'
> link takes you (unsuprisingly) to the <li> that contains that comment.
It's the
> <li>s that have the IDs, and so it's them that gain focus when these
relative,
> inter-comment links are clicked.

Your thought process makes sense here.  Another approach may be to put an
actual anchor at the top of the LI and link to the anchor instead of the LI.
This also serves to give the viewer a way to know the link straight to that
comment if they get to it through scrolling and want to know the shortcut.

> The other occasion when I want the onfocus to run is when links are tabbed
> through. I was thinking that the <li> is a container for a comment, and
each
> comment contains links. If any of these links received focus (through
tabbing)
> then (in essence) the <li> is also receiving focus, the onfocus event
would
> trigger and the <li> would display the 'I'm in focus' behaviour.

This is what I was anticipating you'd mention.  I tested setting the onfocus
behavior dynamically via JS and the focusing on a contained anchor and found
(as you did) that it did not work in IE.  I'd venture to say that this
simply won't work.

I came up with something that simulates what you are trying to do:

<html>
  <head>
    <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
      function dosomething(li) {
        document.forms['info'].elements['info'].value = 'I am now focused
and my li\'s id is ' + li;
      }

      function findParentTag(src, tagname)
      {
        tagname = tagname.toLowerCase();
        el = src;
        while (el.tagName.toLowerCase() != 'html')
        {
          if (el.tagName.toLowerCase() == tagname)
            return el;
          el = el.parentNode;
        }
        return el;
      }

      function setFocusHandlers()
      {
        links = document.links;
        for (i = 0; i < links.length; i++)
        {
          li = findParentTag(links[i], 'li');
          if (li)
            links[i].onfocus = new Function('dosomething(\'' + li.id +
'\');');
        }
      }
    </script>
  </head>
  <body onload="setFocusHandlers()">
    <p><a href="" onclick="return false;" tabindex="1">Start here and then
tab through...</a></p>
    <li id="li1">
      this id is li1
      <a href="#" tabindex="2">test1</a>
      <a href="#" tabindex="3">test2</a>
      <a href="#" tabindex="4">test3</a>
      <a href="#" tabindex="5">test4</a>
    </li>
    <li id="li2">
      this id is li2
      <a href="#" tabindex="6">test1</a>
      <a href="#" tabindex="7">test2</a>
      <a href="#" tabindex="8">test3</a>
      <a href="#" tabindex="9">test4</a>
    </li>

    <form name="info" action="" method="post">
    <input type="text" name="info" value="" size="100" tabindex="10" />
    </form>
  </body>
</html>

HTH,

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Nov 12 14:55:56 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:55:56 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Login Screen Security
References: <471E425A0BB6D211972C00105AC954240556C3E4@soportland.na.sappi.com>
Message-ID: <00c401c3a95f$5e5657d0$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <John.Brooking at sappi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:16 PM


> But wait! That's no good!! Now all the cracker has to do is write his own
> form and send the same crypted string ("etqKJte.0e." or whatever) as he
sees
> in the stream. Doesn't matter what the original password was! Back to rule
> #1: Don't trust anything from the client.

I've been withholding, you're right... but now that you're thinking about
all the angles I'll give you a possible solution to the whole thing:

What if the salt value was allowed to change on every request.  More
specifically, what if the client had to request from the server a one-time
use salt value.  The server generates and activates a random salt value and
gives it back to the client.   Once an attempt to login (successful or not)
is made with that salt value it becomes invalid until a request for a new
salt value is generated.  Conceivable valid salt values could time out on
the server if they go unused.

On the client side you'd use the global salt value AND the one-time use salt
value to encrypt the password.  Back on the server encrypt the stored
encrypted password using the onetime salt value and compare the result with
the value from the client.  Even if the encrypted was intercepted on the
return trip to the server the salt value would no longer be valid and thusly
the encrypted password would no longer be valid.

Completely hackproof?... pretty much.  Completely hackERproof?... almost.  A
hacker could intercept the one-time salt value's trip TO the client and
expire it before the real client had a chance to use it.  This is not real
hole, but will be inconvenient since it would make the login fail even with
correct credentials.

All in all, this would work, but man is it a complex solution!  I'd suggest
you use SSL until something better comes out.  :-)

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From paul at teltest.com  Wed Nov 12 14:57:34 2003
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:57:34 +1300
Subject: [thelist] Opera, ooh, get you...
In-Reply-To: <12580406222089@dserver.cycla.com>
References: <12580406222089@dserver.cycla.com>
Message-ID: <3FB29EBE.4030409@teltest.com>

Randy Pearson wrote:

>Wow, that's a nice feature!
>
>Does anyone know how well these devices honor media="handheld" settings? For
>example, do PocketPC browsers respond to that? Handspring?
>
any browser that honours WAP 2.0 will "honour" this. Note that it is not 
an OS issue (Handspring runs Palm OS and Pocket PC is its own OS), but 
an issue of the browser built into the platform.
Many handheld browsers are made to show trimmed versions of HTML pages, 
eg with graphics but without the fancy layouts due to screen size 
limitiations, and so are actually cut-down html (not wap) browsers.

WAP 2.0 supports xhtml mobile profile and css mobile profile meaning you 
can have essentially the same web content but with different formats 
specified in the stylesheets for mobile devices. This differs from wap 
1.x which relied upon wml as the markup language and therefore did not 
allow you to run the same output content without server-side 
reformatting and user-agent sniffing.

-- 
 ------------------------------
	Paul Bennett						
	Internet Developer				
	Teltest Electronic Design		
 ------------------------------			
Email: paul at teltest.com				
Phone: 64 4 237 4557					
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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 15:15:47 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:15:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] why is this not breaking in IE6?
Message-ID: <20031112211547.46928.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>

http://www.fsisolutions.com/rayovac/cith_high/enter_code_that.asp

This page uses the XML prolog that IE doesn't like, yet it displays
fine in IE6 for me. Why is that? Or am I getting the browser version
wrong? It's XHTML transitional.

Tom

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From syoung at unitec.ac.nz  Wed Nov 12 17:05:24 2003
From: syoung at unitec.ac.nz (Stuart Young)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:05:24 +1300
Subject: [thelist] That browser checking service...
Message-ID: <sfb3738a.049@gwia1.unitec.ac.nz>

I reckon it was indeed www.browsercam.com, but also there is:
NetMechanic's Browser Photo:
http://www.netmechanic.com/browser-index.htm

Graham.Bird at rspb.org.uk 12/11/2003 01:47:23 >
Hi,

A while back someone flagged up a new (commercial?) tool for testing sites
on multiple browsers. I can't find a reference to it in the archive, or on
Google. Can anyone remember what it was?

I seem to remember that the service had a cluster of servers with browsers
installed on it. These servers "ran" your page and served back a screenshot
or the like. I believe it was a monthly subscription thing.

Any ideas?

Graham
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From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Wed Nov 12 18:29:27 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:59:27 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <001b01c3a8d8$2d01c980$690a8aca@timburgan>
	<00bb01c3a91c$9baeabc0$785e32d2@timburgan>
Message-ID: <00d701c3a97d$32ee73c0$779486cb@timburgan>

Hello,

The final code is - that does validate with the W3C validator
<http://validator.w3.org/>

<head>
   <script type="text/JavaScript">
        function collectInfo() {
          var formNr = 0;
          var elementName = "myName";
          var element = document.forms[formNr].elements[elementName];
          alert("The value is " + element.value);
        }
   </script>
</head>

<form action="" method="">
      <input type="text" name="myName" />
      <input type="button" value="submit" onclick="collectInfo();" />
</form>

I 'name' attribute in the 'form' tag is not compliant with XHTML 1.0 Strict or
XHTML 1.1, but it is allowed to be used with 'input' tags. Multiple 'id'
attributes are not allowed on the same page. The way the JavaScript refers to
the elements here, it's not needed - thanks to .Jeff and Kristof.

Thank you everyone for your help - you can see a working example of this at:
<http://www.greaterthani.com/05_programming/week5a.htm>

Thanks
Tim Burgan



From gina at sitediva.com  Wed Nov 12 18:51:11 2003
From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina Anderson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:51:11 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Solution to Multiple IE's
In-Reply-To: <00d701c3a97d$32ee73c0$779486cb@timburgan>
Message-ID: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIIEJMGPAA.gina@sitediva.com>

Hi all,

I know this list works a little slow, but I haven't seen anything posted yet. Sitepoint.com just sent their newsletter and apparently, someone has worked around the fact that we can't have multiple versions of IE on our machines. Here's the link to the downloads, info, and such:

http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/000094.php

Sitepoint says:
"Well the Holy Grail is here: you can now run Internet Explorer 4, 5, 5.5, and 6 side-by-side on the same Windows PC. 

Joe Maddalone, of Insert Title Web Designs noticed that Microsoft used a neat DLL substitution trick in order to make available test versions of Internet Explorer modified to comply with the Eolas '906 patent that could run side-by-side with the unmodified version of the browser. 

With a little experimentation, he was able to use the same technique to put together copies of Internet Explorer 5 and 5.5 that would coexist peacefully on a computer with Internet Explorer 6 installed. He has published an excellent guide to the steps required to do the same. 

Ryan Parman has reported on this in his blog, which provides convenient, pre-packaged downloads of Internet Explorer 3, 4.01, 5.01 SP2, and 5.5 SP2 with Maddalone's steps already applied. Simply download each of these packages, unzip it, and create a shortcut to the executable file. Just like that -- a standalone copy of Internet Explorer!"


I haven't tried it yet, but I can't wait to see if it works.
Gina




From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Wed Nov 12 18:56:13 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:56:13 -0800
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
In-Reply-To: <00d701c3a97d$32ee73c0$779486cb@timburgan>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

tim,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Tim Burgan
>
> function collectInfo()
> {
>   var formNr = 0;
>   var elementName = "myName";
>   var element = document.forms[formNr].elements[elementName];
>   alert("The value is " + element.value);
> }
>
> [snip]
>
> <form action="" method="">
>   <input type="text" name="myName" />
>   <input type="button" value="submit"
>          onclick="collectInfo();" />
> </form>
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

you can take this a step further.  you don't even need to know the number of
the form in the forms array.  just pass an object reference.  additionally,
lose the onclick event handler on the input button and move the
collectInfo() function call to the onsubmit event handler of the <form> tag:

<form action="" method="get"
      onsubmit="collectInfo(this.form)">

then, with some slight changes to your collectInfo() function, you're done:

function collectInfo(oForm)
{
  var elementName = 'myName';
  var oElement = oForm.elements[elementName];
  alert('The value is ' + oElement.value);
}

.jeff

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From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 19:05:17 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:05:17 -0700
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question. Thanks.
Message-ID: <BAY9-F21k84FTA7OIkU00001f2e@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

>I know that there is simple solution to this one.
>
I knew it would be easy. Thanks to all.

Ken

_________________________________________________________________
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From gina at sitediva.com  Wed Nov 12 19:16:39 2003
From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina Anderson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:16:39 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Solution to Multiple IE's
In-Reply-To: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIIEJMGPAA.gina@sitediva.com>
Message-ID: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIEEJOGPAA.gina@sitediva.com>

Ah, foo. It's been pointed out that I missed the discussion from yesterday. Pardon me, I've been busy and haven't read for several days, but I went scanned before I sent and didn't see anything mentioned. I must've missed the thread--obviously.

Oh, and I meant the list was slow in -sending and receiving messages-, not slow as in not knowing the latest news. But apparently, at least in this case, my email showed up real quick so I could make a horse's patoot out of myself faster than I thought I would. Again, my apologies.

Now shove me aside and move on,
Gina


From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Nov 12 19:52:57 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:52:57 -0500
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: 	<001b01c3a8d8$2d01c980$690a8aca@timburgan><00bb01c3a91c$9baeabc0$785e32d2@timburgan>
	<00d701c3a97d$32ee73c0$779486cb@timburgan>
Message-ID: <013701c3a988$dc77a1e0$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Burgan" <burgan at iprimus.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:29 PM


> <head>
>    <script type="text/JavaScript">
>         function collectInfo() {
>           var formNr = 0;
>           var elementName = "myName";
>           var element = document.forms[formNr].elements[elementName];
>           alert("The value is " + element.value);
>         }
>    </script>
> </head>

Tim,

As well as this does work in this case I've never been a big fan of
referring to the form by it's position within the page.  This can very
easily break down if another form gets placed above this one.  If you
encounter this problem, then you can alternately reference the form by its
id using document.getElementById.

Good luck,

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Wed Nov 12 20:01:12 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:31:12 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c3a98a$048aeba0$783d1ad3@timburgan>

hi jeff.

 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 : ----- Original Message ----- 
 : From: "Jeff Howden"
 : 
 : <snip>
 : you can take this a step further.  you don't even need to
 : know the number of the form in the forms array.  just pass
 : an object reference.  additionally, lose the onclick event
 : handler on the input button and move the collectInfo() function
 : call to the onsubmit event handler of the <form> tag:
 : 
 : <form action="" method="get"
 :       onsubmit="collectInfo(this.form)">
 : 
 : then, with some slight changes to your collectInfo() function,
 : you're done:
 :  
 : function collectInfo(oForm)
 : {
 :   var elementName = 'myName';
 :   var oElement = oForm.elements[elementName];
 :   alert('The value is ' + oElement.value);
 : }
 : 
 : .jeff
 : </snip>
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Yeah this makes even more sense.
Thanks

Tim


From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Nov 12 20:31:30 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:31:30 -0500
Subject: [thelist] [tip] How SSL Works
Message-ID: <01bb01c3a98e$3f094c50$0300a8c0@client1>

<tip type="SSL" author="Joshua Olson">
This link explains very well (and in simple terms) how SSL works.

http://developer.netscape.com/tech/security/basics/index.html
</tip>

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Wed Nov 12 20:44:20 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:14:20 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>

Hi Jeff.

Your suggestion:

 : <form action="" method="get"
 :       onsubmit="collectInfo(this.form)">
 :
 : function collectInfo(oForm)
 : {
 :   var elementName = 'myName';
 :   var oElement = oForm.elements[elementName];
 :   alert('The value is ' + oElement.value);
 : }

I can't seem to get working for some reason.
It's as if the oForm isn't being "read" properly or something like that.

I've uploaded a page [1], where you can see the two variations.
'Task 1' on the page is the method you've just suggested, and 'Task 2' is the
currently working method using the forms array.

If you have the time can you please take a look to see what's going on.

[1] <http://www.greaterthani.com/05_programming/week5b.htm>

Thanks for the help
Tim



From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Nov 12 20:47:57 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:47:57 -0500
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
	<005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
Message-ID: <01db01c3a990$8b83c7c0$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Burgan" <burgan at iprimus.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:44 PM


> Hi Jeff.
>
> Your suggestion:
>
>  : <form action="" method="get"
>  :       onsubmit="collectInfo(this.form)">

> I can't seem to get working for some reason.
> It's as if the oForm isn't being "read" properly or something like that.

There's a slight typo in jeff's code:

<form action="" method="get"
      onsubmit="collectInfo(this.form)">

Should be:

<form action="" method="get"
      onsubmit="collectInfo(this)">

If you look at the post I made this morning you'll see a correct reference
to this same technique.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Wed Nov 12 20:53:21 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:23:21 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
	<005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
Message-ID: <006401c3a991$4cf23680$783d1ad3@timburgan>

actually.. it seems to be the..

<form onsubmit="taskOne()">

..that's the problem. If I change it to..

<form>
  <input type="button" onclick="taskOne()" />

it works!??!?!

why's this - from what I've been told over the last day, onsubmit is supposed to
be more widely supported, or am I using it wrong?

Tim



From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Wed Nov 12 20:57:56 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:27:56 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: 	<HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com><005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
	<01db01c3a990$8b83c7c0$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <006c01c3a991$f1d92dc0$783d1ad3@timburgan>

cheers.. that's the problem!!


: <form action="" method="get"
:       onsubmit="collectInfo(this.form)">
: 
: Should be:
: 
: <form action="" method="get"
:       onsubmit="collectInfo(this)">
: 





From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Wed Nov 12 21:01:18 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:31:18 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: 	<HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com><005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
	<01db01c3a990$8b83c7c0$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <007201c3a992$6a290b60$783d1ad3@timburgan>

ok .. that's not it .. it still onsubmit still must have another problem


From dave at dbmdata.com  Wed Nov 12 21:04:46 2003
From: dave at dbmdata.com (David Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:04:46 -0500
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
	<005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
Message-ID: <3FB2F4CE.2010404@dbmdata.com>

Hey All,

Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a new PC to my network 
at home. Here's the problem. I have 4 computers all connected to a 
LinkSys router sharing my cable connection. I just added a new computer 
tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers can see eachohter except for 
the laptop I am typing this email on. This laptop can see all the 
existing computers on the network except for the new one,  and all the 
other computers can see the new PC except for this laptop. I can also 
see the laptop from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if 
you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll need more info, so if 
you do please let me know.

Thanks in advance,

Dave


From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Wed Nov 12 21:12:57 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:12:57 +1100
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
References: 	<HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com><005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
	<3FB2F4CE.2010404@dbmdata.com>
Message-ID: <086701c3a994$09be5b70$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "David Mitchell" <dave at dbmdata.com>
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking


: Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a
: new PC to my network at home. Here's the problem.
: I have 4 computers all connected to a LinkSys router
: sharing my cable connection. I just added a new
: computer tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers
: can see eachohter except for the laptop I am typing
: this email on. This laptop can see all the existing
: computers on the network except for the new one,
: and all the other computers can see the new PC
: except for this laptop. I can also see the laptop
: from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if
: you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll
: need more info, so if you do please let me know.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi,

When you say "see", are you talking about visibility in Network
Neighbourhood? If so, are you running in a workgroup or domain model?

If it's a workgroup model, I would suggest that you have either a problem
with:
a) master-backup browser election
    -or-
b) related to above, you're running some kind of software firewall on one of
the machines that's intefering with browser elections/notifications etc.

You can use browstat.exe to troubleshoot browse master issue (and to
shutdown "rogue" master/backup browse masters)

However, what I do suggest you try, is doing:

\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

in the address bar of an explorer window, where the IP address corresponds
to a machine that you can't see. So, you say your laptop can't see the new
Win2k machine, and suppose the Win2k machine has an IP address of
192.168.0.50, then try doing:

\\192.168.0.50

in an Explorer address bar on your laptop. If you can reach the Win2k
machine by IP address, then it seems like a NetBIOS browsing issue, rather
than anything more fundamental.

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)


From dave at dbmdata.com  Wed Nov 12 21:22:47 2003
From: dave at dbmdata.com (David Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:22:47 -0500
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <086701c3a994$09be5b70$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
References: 	<HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com><005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
	<3FB2F4CE.2010404@dbmdata.com>
	<086701c3a994$09be5b70$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <3FB2F907.6030006@dbmdata.com>

Ken,

Yes,  I can see the computer in Explorer, yet when I try ping it, it is 
unreachable.

Ken Schaefer wrote:

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>From: "David Mitchell" <dave at dbmdata.com>
>Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
>
>
>: Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a
>: new PC to my network at home. Here's the problem.
>: I have 4 computers all connected to a LinkSys router
>: sharing my cable connection. I just added a new
>: computer tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers
>: can see eachohter except for the laptop I am typing
>: this email on. This laptop can see all the existing
>: computers on the network except for the new one,
>: and all the other computers can see the new PC
>: except for this laptop. I can also see the laptop
>: from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if
>: you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll
>: need more info, so if you do please let me know.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Hi,
>
>When you say "see", are you talking about visibility in Network
>Neighbourhood? If so, are you running in a workgroup or domain model?
>
>If it's a workgroup model, I would suggest that you have either a problem
>with:
>a) master-backup browser election
>    -or-
>b) related to above, you're running some kind of software firewall on one of
>the machines that's intefering with browser elections/notifications etc.
>
>You can use browstat.exe to troubleshoot browse master issue (and to
>shutdown "rogue" master/backup browse masters)
>
>However, what I do suggest you try, is doing:
>
>\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
>
>in the address bar of an explorer window, where the IP address corresponds
>to a machine that you can't see. So, you say your laptop can't see the new
>Win2k machine, and suppose the Win2k machine has an IP address of
>192.168.0.50, then try doing:
>
>\\192.168.0.50
>
>in an Explorer address bar on your laptop. If you can reach the Win2k
>machine by IP address, then it seems like a NetBIOS browsing issue, rather
>than anything more fundamental.
>
>Cheers
>Ken
>
>Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)
>
>  
>



From dianesoini at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 22:02:18 2003
From: dianesoini at earthlink.net (Diane Soini)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:02:18 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Enterprise site architecture/CMS question
In-Reply-To: <200311120625.1ajVWg17R3NZFop0@coot>
Message-ID: <2CC639B9-158E-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>

On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 06:25 AM, 
thelist-request at lists.evolt.org wrote:

>
>> Wondering about your opinions on how to handle static content on a
>> large enterprise size site.
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> One efficient way to handle static content is to write content pages 
> that
> call the template - somewhat upsidedown as logic goes.

I have used this method. I didn't have quite so many pages as a large 
enterprise would, but it is indeed an efficient way to handle static 
content and make it easy to redesign.

They way it works is to have some templates that take the body content 
file's filename as a variable. Then the page itself passes that 
variable to the template. The body content file is yet another file.

If the body content file uses really simple HTML, then it's a relative 
cinch to do a web site redesign. By simple HTML I mean that instead of 
doing <b class="whatever"> or <font face=blah blah blah> or tons of 
nested tables kind of stuff you keep it very simple. <h1> tags for 
headings, <p> tags for paragraphs, <ul><li> for lists, maybe some 
custom classes for things like images with captions or callout boxes 
etc. Style the look of those things in the stylesheet. Push all the 
look and feel you can into the stylesheet. Avoid inline styles, or any 
kind of inline presentational markup like the plague.

Then when it's time for the redesign, you redesign the look of the html 
tags in the stylesheet and redesign the layout of the site pages in the 
templates. All those body content pages you don't have to touch.

Of course it's never exactly that easy, and this example is somewhat 
simplified. Basically, you get to avoid re-doing most of the content 
pages in the next redesign. The trade-off is that it's not intuitive 
for most people when they want to edit the content to have to look in a 
file that isn't the same name as the one their browser calls.

Diane


From mpember at phreaker.net  Wed Nov 12 22:19:49 2003
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:19:49 +1100
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
Message-ID: <ho9w11.cb7@mail.int.mpember.net.au>

Can you give a bit more info about the various setups?  eg.  OS on laptop vs
OS on other PCs.

<warning src="memory" alt="may be a bit rusty" />

On many win9x machines, TCP/IP is not installed by default and they use
NetBEUI.  The reverse is the case in Win2k/XP setups.

Since ping is based on TCP/IP, this may explain the problem with not being
able to ping the machine.

Try using NBTSTAT.EXE to test rather than ping.  This can sometimes work
better between various network setups.

---
Michael Pemberton
evolt at mpember.net.au

David Mitchell <dave at dbmdata.com> wrote:

> Hey All,
> 
> Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a new PC to my network 
> at home. Here's the problem. I have 4 computers all connected to a 
> LinkSys router sharing my cable connection. I just added a new computer 
> tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers can see eachohter except for 
> the laptop I am typing this email on. This laptop can see all the 
> existing computers on the network except for the new one,  and all the 
> other computers can see the new PC except for this laptop. I can also 
> see the laptop from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if 
> you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll need more info, so if 
> you do please let me know.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Dave






From jaimz at netspace.net.au  Wed Nov 12 22:20:47 2003
From: jaimz at netspace.net.au (tom jaimz)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:20:47 +1100
Subject: [thelist] easy way to convert character encoding?
In-Reply-To: <006c01c3a991$f1d92dc0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
Message-ID: <000001c3a99d$86ce1c00$6a00a8c0@tom>


hi thelist crew,

i have a database with quite a lot of information encoded in shift_jis, and
we've decided because we are going to eventually have to use multiple
languages on one page, it's logical to convert over to utf-8 encoding.  does
anyone know of any easy methods - perhaps just a couple of well-constructed
vbscript functions - to convert the data from shift_jis to utf-8?

thanks!
tom.



From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Wed Nov 12 22:35:39 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:35:39 +1100
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
References: <ho9w11.cb7@mail.int.mpember.net.au>
Message-ID: <0a0501c3a99f$96e944f0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

This is a possibility, but the fact that machineA can see machineB but not
visa-versa would count against it.

(plus the fact that OP has all these machines hooked up to the 'net,
presumably, via his Linksys router, which would imply that they all have
TCP/IP installed).

Cheers
Ken

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Michael Pemberton" <mpember at phreaker.net>
Subject: Re: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking


: Can you give a bit more info about the various setups?  eg.  OS on laptop
vs
: OS on other PCs.
:
: <warning src="memory" alt="may be a bit rusty" />
:
: On many win9x machines, TCP/IP is not installed by default and they use
: NetBEUI.  The reverse is the case in Win2k/XP setups.
:
: Since ping is based on TCP/IP, this may explain the problem with not being
: able to ping the machine.
:
: Try using NBTSTAT.EXE to test rather than ping.  This can sometimes work
: better between various network setups.
:
: ---
: Michael Pemberton
: evolt at mpember.net.au
:
: David Mitchell <dave at dbmdata.com> wrote:
:
: > Hey All,
: >
: > Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a new PC to my network
: > at home. Here's the problem. I have 4 computers all connected to a
: > LinkSys router sharing my cable connection. I just added a new computer
: > tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers can see eachohter except for
: > the laptop I am typing this email on. This laptop can see all the
: > existing computers on the network except for the new one,  and all the
: > other computers can see the new PC except for this laptop. I can also
: > see the laptop from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if
: > you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll need more info, so if
: > you do please let me know.
: >
: > Thanks in advance,
: >
: > Dave
:
:
:
:
:
: -- 
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:
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From Kili2x at netscape.net  Wed Nov 12 22:38:32 2003
From: Kili2x at netscape.net (Blowhorn)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:38:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] XML schemas with keyrefs
Message-ID: <43835502.44EA67C4.0004D44F@netscape.net>

Hi, evolters.

I have two XML files at http://cfc-cfl.g3z.com/worx/cfccontents.xml and http://cfc-cfl.g3z.com/worx/sfccontents.xml, both referring to a W3C-type schema at http://cfc-cfl.g3z.com/worx/contents.xsd

Both XML files validate just fine using either the Schema Checking Service at http://www.w3.org/2001/03/webdata/xsv or the XML Schema Validator at http://tools.decisionsoft.com/schemaValidate.html, though the latter service requires local copies.

Neither of the XML files, however, validate using XMLspy 5 Enterprise Edition.  The offending markup are the clink element at line 302 in cfccontents.xml and the elink element at line 610 in sfccontents.xml, and the errors that XMLspy throws go something like "Undefined values for keyref identity constraint - the values referred to by the field selector must match an existing unique/key value."

All xs:key and xs:keyref elements are located near the bottom of the schema document, under the xs:element with name='contents'.  What should I fix in the schema document to make the XML files validate?  Or should I ignore XMLspy validation for now?

                                       TIA!
                                       Cromwell


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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 00:38:43 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:38:43 +0000
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking... home net been
  there!
In-Reply-To: <3FB2F4CE.2010404@dbmdata.com>
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEHCLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
 <005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
 <3FB2F4CE.2010404@dbmdata.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031113063454.023fa6b8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 03:04 13/11/2003, David Mitchell wrote
>Hey All,
>
>Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a new PC to my network 
>at home. Here's the problem. I have 4 computers all connected to a LinkSys 
>router sharing my cable connection. I just added a new computer tonite 
>running W2k Pro. All the computers can see eachohter except for the laptop 
>I am typing this email on. This laptop

This is in "me speak"

check all machines have the same network protocols and services running and 
the one that "sees all"

check the firewall in use is happy to "let in" all the DNS calls from the 
other machines and vice-versa

there may be a benefit in waiting a short time or restarting the old machines

I had this very problem and solved it via a change/augmentation to the new 
machine of a new protocol
and a setting in zonealarm

I assume the domain name/workgroop is set right?

FB

>  can see all the existing computers on the network except for the new 
> one,  and all the other computers can see the new PC except for this 
> laptop. I can also see the laptop from the computer that I can't see from 
> the laptop, if you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll need more 
> info, so if you do please let me know.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave


From marcan at home.se  Thu Nov 13 01:17:12 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:17:12 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
In-Reply-To: <005a01c3a990$0b102ca0$783d1ad3@timburgan>
Message-ID: <020c01c3a9b6$28a35280$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>

>I can't seem to get working for some reason.
>It's as if the oForm isn't being "read" properly or something like
that.

>I've uploaded a page [1], where you can see the two variations. 'Task
1' on the page is the method you've just suggested, and 'Task 2' is the
currently working method using the forms array.

>If you have the time can you please take a look to see what's going on.

>[1] <http://www.greaterthani.com/05_programming/week5b.htm>

You currently have this code in your form:

        <form action="" method="get" onsubmit="taskOne(this.form)">
              <input type="text" name="myName" />
              <input type="button" name="submit" value="submit" />
        </form>

If you want your form to trigger onsubmit you need to change your input
type="button" to input type="submit". You would also like to change you
onsubmit to refer to this instead of this.form

It will then look like this:

        <form action="" method="get" onsubmit="taskOne(this)">
              <input type="text" name="myName" />
              <input type="submit" name="submit" value="submit" />
        </form>

/Marcus


From evolt at david.us-lot.org  Thu Nov 13 01:22:36 2003
From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:22:36 +0000
Subject: [thelist] why is this not breaking in IE6?
In-Reply-To: <20031112211547.46928.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031112211547.46928.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031113072236.GA1994%david@dorward.me.uk>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:15:47 -0800, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> http://www.fsisolutions.com/rayovac/cith_high/enter_code_that.asp
> 
> This page uses the XML prolog that IE doesn't like, yet it displays
> fine in IE6 for me. Why is that?

Because you are using deprecated tag soup instead of CSS for your
presentation. Using the XML prolog kicks MSIE 6 out of standards mode
which means its CSS engine emulates the bugs of its predecessors. You
aren't using the CSS engine.

> It's XHTML transitional.

No it isn't, it just claims to be. It fails to qualify as XHTML 1.0
Transitional on forty three counts. <http://validator.w3.org/>

-- 
David Dorward                                       http://dorward.me.uk/

From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Thu Nov 13 02:03:48 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:33:48 +1030
Subject: [thelist] javascript - how to refer to (x)html elements
References: <020c01c3a9b6$28a35280$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>
Message-ID: <001d01c3a9bc$ac505f00$3a3032d2@timburgan>

Thanks Marcus,

 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 : ----- Original Message ----- 
 : From: "Marcus Andersson"
 : 
 : 
 : If you want your form to trigger onsubmit you need to change your input
 : type="button" to input type="submit". You would also like to change you
 : onsubmit to refer to this instead of this.form
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


It's all working like a charm now.
Cheers

Tim


From dave at dbmdata.com  Thu Nov 13 06:28:21 2003
From: dave at dbmdata.com (David Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:28:21 -0500
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <ho9w11.cb7@mail.int.mpember.net.au>
Message-ID: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>

Here's the lowdown on the machines:

1) Windows 2000 server - sees all and can be seen by all
2) Windows XP pro - see all and can be seen by all
3) Windows 2000 pro - sees above 2, but can't see new machine (4)
4) Windows 2000 pro (new machine) - sees (1) and (2) but can't see (3)

All all using the same protocols and are members of the same workgroup. The
only anomaly I can think of is (3) is a laptop and is on a wireless
connection. My router is set up to serve DHCP. Maybe this could be the
factor?




-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Pemberton
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:20 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking


Can you give a bit more info about the various setups?  eg.  OS on laptop vs
OS on other PCs.

<warning src="memory" alt="may be a bit rusty" />

On many win9x machines, TCP/IP is not installed by default and they use
NetBEUI.  The reverse is the case in Win2k/XP setups.

Since ping is based on TCP/IP, this may explain the problem with not being
able to ping the machine.

Try using NBTSTAT.EXE to test rather than ping.  This can sometimes work
better between various network setups.

---
Michael Pemberton
evolt at mpember.net.au

David Mitchell <dave at dbmdata.com> wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a new PC to my network
> at home. Here's the problem. I have 4 computers all connected to a
> LinkSys router sharing my cable connection. I just added a new computer
> tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers can see eachohter except for
> the laptop I am typing this email on. This laptop can see all the
> existing computers on the network except for the new one,  and all the
> other computers can see the new PC except for this laptop. I can also
> see the laptop from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if
> you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll need more info, so if
> you do please let me know.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave





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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 06:35:04 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas (soton.ac.uk relay))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:35:04 +0000
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
References: <ho9w11.cb7@mail.int.mpember.net.au>
 <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031113123244.027aad80@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 12:28 PM 13-11-03, David Mitchell wrote:
>Here's the lowdown on the machines:
>
>1) Windows 2000 server - sees all and can be seen by all
>2) Windows XP pro - see all and can be seen by all
>3) Windows 2000 pro - sees above 2, but can't see new machine (4)
>4) Windows 2000 pro (new machine) - sees (1) and (2) but can't see (3)

what comms are going on between the existing machines?
can you trap the traffic between the #1 #2 and #3 machines using something 
like Zonealarm or
firewall logs?


>All all using the same protocols and are members of the same workgroup. The
>only anomaly I can think of is (3) is a laptop and is on a wireless
>connection. My router is set up to serve DHCP. Maybe this could be the

If that is the unique "thang" about #4 then you might have it!!!!

>factor?


From mpember at phreaker.net  Thu Nov 13 06:51:57 2003
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:51:57 +1100
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
References: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
Message-ID: <3FB37E6D.10902@phreaker.net>

David Mitchell wrote:

>Here's the lowdown on the machines:
>
>1) Windows 2000 server - sees all and can be seen by all
>2) Windows XP pro - see all and can be seen by all
>3) Windows 2000 pro - sees above 2, but can't see new machine (4)
>4) Windows 2000 pro (new machine) - sees (1) and (2) but can't see (3)
>
>All all using the same protocols and are members of the same workgroup. The
>only anomaly I can think of is (3) is a laptop and is on a wireless
>connection. My router is set up to serve DHCP. Maybe this could be the
>factor?
>  
>
So the problem is only affecting Win2000 Pro and affects them both.  So 
the problem is relating to two machines.  This both widens the scope and 
shortens the list of causes (did that make sense??).

How are the local accounts configured on the individual machines?  Is is 
possible that the administrator password differs between the machines.

What do you get when you run "net view" from the command line on these 
two machines?  Also, try running a "netstat /a" check that they are all 
getting the same settings from the DHCP server.  DHCP can control a 
large number of settings.  Is it possible to turn your Win2000 Server 
system into a DHCP server and removing the option from the router?  The 
reason I ask this is that you can often keep better track of what's 
going on if you run a fully featured (I'm amazed I'm using this turn in 
reference to a M$ product) DHCP server rather than the plug 'n' play 
ones that come with various routers.

It's almost midnight local time, but I should be back @ my desk in about 
9 hours, so I'll try ask some of the guys in the office if they've seen 
anything like this.

-- 
Michael Pemberton
evolt at mpember.net.au




From simon.perry at si-designs.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 07:06:25 2003
From: simon.perry at si-designs.co.uk (Simon Perry)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:06:25 +0000
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
References: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
Message-ID: <3FB381D1.4080701@si-designs.co.uk>

David Mitchell wrote:

>Here's the lowdown on the machines:
>
>1) Windows 2000 server - sees all and can be seen by all
>2) Windows XP pro - see all and can be seen by all
>3) Windows 2000 pro - sees above 2, but can't see new machine (4)
>4) Windows 2000 pro (new machine) - sees (1) and (2) but can't see (3)
>
>All all using the same protocols and are members of the same workgroup. The
>only anomaly I can think of is (3) is a laptop and is on a wireless
>connection. My router is set up to serve DHCP. Maybe this could be the
>factor?
>  
>
Sounds like some sort of basic firewall/security issue within your 
LinkSys router. My guess is that certain traffic such as netbios is 
blocked unless the ip or mac address of the computer is on an allow 
list. Let me know what router model you are running and I will be able 
to confirm this.

Simon


From michiel.oosterling at hinttech.com  Thu Nov 13 07:12:17 2003
From: michiel.oosterling at hinttech.com (Michiel Oosterling)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:12:17 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Javascript window.print function
Message-ID: <3FB38331.1010400@hinttech.com>

Hi,

I have an (x)html document that users need to be able to print out, 
however, due to our nice friends from Redmond, IE doesn't really handle 
the rel="alternate stylesheet" attribute too well.
I devised a way of being able to still do the print thingie via css by 
reloading the page and rewriting the css tag in the header to point to 
the print stylesheet. This is a dirty hack, and I would very much like 
to do something along the following lines, misusing the window.print 
function in javascript, given this can actually be done:

javascript:document.URL.print('doc.html?action=print');
 - or -
javascript:document.self.print('doc.html?action=print');

Agreed, this is another dirty hack, but if someone has a nice method of 
printing out a document along the lines of window.print(); using a 
'print this doc' image/link and be able to use the alternate print style 
sheet, oh and it really should work on most accepted graphical browsers.
If this is possible, I want to keep it within the same doc, due to the 
templating system we're using here. (some nightmare app called Tridion :) )

Regards,

Michiel Oosterling


From mpember at phreaker.net  Thu Nov 13 07:15:25 2003
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:15:25 +1100
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
In-Reply-To: <013601c3a749$bba0bab0$6401a8c0@yoda>
References: <ho4ax5.ax7@mail.int.mpember.net.au>
	<013601c3a749$bba0bab0$6401a8c0@yoda>
Message-ID: <3FB383ED.9040708@phreaker.net>

Lonnie wrote:

>Michael,
>
>If you *know* this is a virus. And you know what it does and how it
>manifests. And you've seen it before on your brother's PC. Then WHAT IS IT?
>How is it that you know, but the major anti-virus folks don't? What did your
>brother do to get rid of it? If his PC is behind a tight firewall, how did
>this virus infect him?
>
>I'll bet many on this list will forego your tip for a bit more information
>on what you profess to know about this alleged virus and how it relates to
>Tom's problem.
>  
>
Sorry I haven't responded sooner, I often lose track of my own posts and 
end up missing the rest of the conversation.  My boss say's I'm the same 
at work :)

I actually found this again on a PC at work this morning.  Again, behind 
a firewall. and again, I have forgotten the name of the executable.  I 
apologise for not taking note.  But I assure you that the program exists 
and running startup control  panel will allow you to find it.  The 
program is free and I have no affiliation with it's author.  From 
memory, the process that is installed appears in your winnt/windows or 
system32 folder.  One that sounded familiar while doing a google search 
was "savenow.exe".

I apologise for my use of the term "virus".  It is probably more 
appropriate to call it malware.  I have no idea how either of the two 
victims got the software because both ignored it until  I happened to be 
speaking to them some time after they became infected.  Because both 
were heavy users of IE and the internet in general, both saw it is a 
normal popup related problem and not something that can be countered.

As for removing it, my tip was written in such a way as to hopefully 
give steps to solve the problem while also allowing for later reference.

-- 
Michael Pemberton
evolt at mpember.net.au




From evolt at david.us-lot.org  Thu Nov 13 07:21:01 2003
From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:21:01 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Javascript window.print function
In-Reply-To: <3FB38331.1010400@hinttech.com>
Message-ID: <39D472B6-15DC-11D8-811B-000A957E4F00@david.us-lot.org>


On Thursday, Nov 13, 2003, at 13:12 Europe/London, Michiel Oosterling 
wrote:
> I have an (x)html document that users need to be able to print out, 
> however, due to our nice friends from Redmond, IE doesn't really 
> handle the rel="alternate stylesheet" attribute too well.

Why use an alternative stylesheet? The default stylesheet set for print 
media does the job for most people - or do you need two or more 
DIFFERENT print style sheets for users to use?

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Thu Nov 13 07:21:29 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:21:29 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript window.print function
In-Reply-To: <3FB38331.1010400@hinttech.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c3a9e9$0c6dc360$0300000a@hershel2000>

What's wrong with 

@media print {
  /* Print style definitions */
}

?

This works for me in IE6 Win 2K.

Hershel

From chris at ecleanuk.com  Thu Nov 13 07:44:30 2003
From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:44:30 -0000
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
In-Reply-To: <3FB383ED.9040708@phreaker.net>
Message-ID: <000501c3a9ec$438bfe90$0500a8c0@winsvr200301>

[..]

> system32 folder.  One that sounded familiar while doing a 
> google search 
> was "savenow.exe".

Haven't been following the thread, but isn't this something that's
installed with Kazaa?

[..]

Regards

Chris Marsh

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From michiel.oosterling at hinttech.com  Thu Nov 13 07:47:12 2003
From: michiel.oosterling at hinttech.com (Michiel Oosterling)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:47:12 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Javascript window.print function
In-Reply-To: <39D472B6-15DC-11D8-811B-000A957E4F00@david.us-lot.org>
References: <39D472B6-15DC-11D8-811B-000A957E4F00@david.us-lot.org>
Message-ID: <3FB38B60.7090707@hinttech.com>

Indeed, there would have to be options for printing the document out in 
various ways, based on for example which department the given user is 
working for. I know this sounds wierd, but that's the way the client has 
requested it, and we told them we would investigate if this where possible.

Michiel Oosterling

David Dorward wrote:

>
> On Thursday, Nov 13, 2003, at 13:12 Europe/London, Michiel Oosterling 
> wrote:
>
>> I have an (x)html document that users need to be able to print out, 
>> however, due to our nice friends from Redmond, IE doesn't really 
>> handle the rel="alternate stylesheet" attribute too well.
>
>
> Why use an alternative stylesheet? The default stylesheet set for 
> print media does the job for most people - or do you need two or more 
> DIFFERENT print style sheets for users to use?
>
> -- 
> David Dorward
> http://dorward.me.uk/
>



From dave at dbmdata.com  Thu Nov 13 07:54:22 2003
From: dave at dbmdata.com (David Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:54:22 -0500
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <3FB381D1.4080701@si-designs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000401c3a9ed$a687b240$6501a8c0@opr>

Hi Simon,

Here is the router model:

http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=35&prid=544

>Sounds like some sort of basic firewall/security issue within your 
>LinkSys router. My guess is that certain traffic such as netbios is 
>blocked unless the ip or mac address of the computer is on an allow 
>list. Let me know what router model you are running and I will be >able

>to confirm this.

>Simon

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From tim at incutio.com  Thu Nov 13 07:56:37 2003
From: tim at incutio.com (Tim Fountain)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:56:37 +0000
Subject: [thelist] PHP ad management system
Message-ID: <601444527030.20031113135637@incutio.com>


Does anyone know of a decent PHP/MySQL ad management system?

Requirements:

- Needs to support multiple sites, and you need to be able to add an
advert to multiple sites simultaneously
- Ability to add adverts for particular keywords (the ads are going on
a search engine)
- Some sort of advertiser login so advertisers can manage their own
adverts. Ideally with payment support they can credit their accounts.

Obviously it needs click tracking and the usual stuff - support for
banner and text ads, possibly flash as well.

I've looked at:

phpMyAds - easy to use, supports multiple sites but doesn't allow you
to add adverts to mulitple sites at once.  No keyword support.

phpAdsNew - this one's the best so far, great interface, keyword
support is there, however no payment stuff that I can see, and the
whole thing seems organised in a strange way.

Oasis - horrible installation, at first glance there appear to be some
nasty security holes (plain text config files).

A trawl around hotscripts hasn't yielded much else.

Am I going to have to write one?

-- 
Tim Fountain | Web developer | Incutio Ltd | www.incutio.com
Tel: +44(0)8708 700 333 | Fax: +44(0)7092 181 581


From hassan at webtuitive.com  Thu Nov 13 08:02:25 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:02:25 -0800
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
References: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
Message-ID: <3FB38EF1.3080805@webtuitive.com>

David Mitchell wrote:
>
> 3) Windows 2000 pro - sees above 2, but can't see new machine (4)
> 4) Windows 2000 pro (new machine) - sees (1) and (2) but can't see (3)
> 
> All all using the same protocols and are members of the same workgroup. The
> only anomaly I can think of is (3) is a laptop and is on a wireless
> connection. My router is set up to serve DHCP. Maybe this could be the
> factor?

Some APs also do DHCP by default. It sounds like these two machines
are being given the same IP address, which could happen if two DHCP
servers are running simultaneously and using the same address pool.

In any case, grab a copy of Nmap <http://insecure.org/>; it'll help
give you a picture of what addresses are active, etc. And a copy of
Ethereal <http://ethereal.com/> would also be helpful.

FWIW!
-- 
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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 08:03:53 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:03:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
In-Reply-To: <000501c3a9ec$438bfe90$0500a8c0@winsvr200301>
Message-ID: <20031113140353.25375.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Chris Marsh <chris at ecleanuk.com> wrote:
> [..]

> Haven't been following the thread, but isn't this something that's
> installed with Kazaa?

Chris,

I have *never* (nor would I) installed Kazaa or anything like that,
so for me that was not it (i was the original poster.)

Tom

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From lead at offlead.com  Thu Nov 13 08:15:14 2003
From: lead at offlead.com (Jeniffer C. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:15:14 -0600
Subject: [thelist] a portfolio of web work?
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031113080808.024b0758@www.offlead.com>

Here's a question for folks who make a living doing web work. When someone 
asks you to bring a portfolio, just how are you representing your online 
work in a physical manner? I've got an online portfolio, with details of my 
role in various projects, links to sites I've developed, and in cases where 
content is not available to the public online, either copies of some of the 
pages, or sample files with sensitive content removed. I work online, and 
most often I'm asked for examples of my work online. But I've been asked 
for an actual physical portfolio, that I can carry in and put on someone's 
desk. I'm not sure just how best to do this, especially since so much of 
good web work depends on how well the user can USE the site. I'm not sure 
just how best to approach putting stuff on paper, or if there's a better 
way to do a physical portfolio of online work.

Jeniffer



From bedouglas at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 13 08:25:53 2003
From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:25:53 -0800
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
Message-ID: <020401c3a9f2$0c51e7e0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>

david...

just out of curiousity...

what happens for each machine when you do a c:/ipconfig...? what do you get
as a result... could you paste the result to us..

and where are you located.. us or abroad...

thanks..

-bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of David Mitchell
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:28 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking


Here's the lowdown on the machines:

1) Windows 2000 server - sees all and can be seen by all
2) Windows XP pro - see all and can be seen by all
3) Windows 2000 pro - sees above 2, but can't see new machine (4)
4) Windows 2000 pro (new machine) - sees (1) and (2) but can't see (3)

All all using the same protocols and are members of the same workgroup. The
only anomaly I can think of is (3) is a laptop and is on a wireless
connection. My router is set up to serve DHCP. Maybe this could be the
factor?




-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Pemberton
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:20 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking


Can you give a bit more info about the various setups?  eg.  OS on laptop vs
OS on other PCs.

<warning src="memory" alt="may be a bit rusty" />

On many win9x machines, TCP/IP is not installed by default and they use
NetBEUI.  The reverse is the case in Win2k/XP setups.

Since ping is based on TCP/IP, this may explain the problem with not being
able to ping the machine.

Try using NBTSTAT.EXE to test rather than ping.  This can sometimes work
better between various network setups.

---
Michael Pemberton
evolt at mpember.net.au

David Mitchell <dave at dbmdata.com> wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a new PC to my network
> at home. Here's the problem. I have 4 computers all connected to a
> LinkSys router sharing my cable connection. I just added a new computer
> tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers can see eachohter except for
> the laptop I am typing this email on. This laptop can see all the
> existing computers on the network except for the new one,  and all the
> other computers can see the new PC except for this laptop. I can also
> see the laptop from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if
> you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll need more info, so if
> you do please let me know.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave





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From mikek at brightstorm.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 08:24:51 2003
From: mikek at brightstorm.co.uk (mike karthauser)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:24:51 +0000
Subject: [thelist] a portfolio of web work?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031113080808.024b0758@www.offlead.com>
Message-ID: <BBD944B2.22385%mikek@brightstorm.co.uk>

on 13/11/03 2:15 pm, Jeniffer C. Johnson at lead at offlead.com wrote:

> Here's a question for folks who make a living doing web work. When someone
> asks you to bring a portfolio, just how are you representing your online
> work in a physical manner?

Save it on cd and bring a laptop. If you are going for a web job - then
you'll be expected to show working examples.

If you are going for a design role, then print out some of your designs and
put them in a folder.

I always ask for online portfolios/
-- 
Mike Karthauser 
Managing Director - Brightstorm Ltd

Email       >> mikek at brightstorm.co.uk
Web         >> http://www.brightstorm.co.uk
Tel         >> 0117 9426653 (office)
               07939 252144 (mobile)

Snailmail   >> Unit 8, 14 King Square,
               Bristol BS2 8JJ


From chris at ecleanuk.com  Thu Nov 13 08:27:44 2003
From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:27:44 -0000
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
In-Reply-To: <20031113140353.25375.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c3a9f2$4d679680$0500a8c0@winsvr200301>

> --- Chris Marsh <chris at ecleanuk.com> wrote:
> > [..]
> 
> > Haven't been following the thread, but isn't this something that's 
> > installed with Kazaa?
> 
> Chris,
> 
> I have *never* (nor would I) installed Kazaa or anything like 
> that, so for me that was not it (i was the original poster.)

FWIW <http://www.winpatrol.com/db/freesample/save.html>

Regards

Chris Marsh 

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From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Thu Nov 13 08:23:26 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:23:26 -0600
Subject: [thelist] a portfolio of web work?
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51AE@smtmb.tmc.local>

... or if there's a better way to do a physical portfolio of online work.

Well, although I've never actually had to do that, and even though I've
pondered this very idea, I do have something.

Burn a CD for each site you've done/completed. Walk to your interviewer and
slap down a CD Wallet full of sites you've done. Or if you're the more
experienced, waltz in with a CD Tower :-p

But for the time being, I've just put the URL's in a <ul></ul> on my res. on
page two.

Rob

From dave at dbmdata.com  Thu Nov 13 08:31:03 2003
From: dave at dbmdata.com (David Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:31:03 -0500
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
In-Reply-To: <020401c3a9f2$0c51e7e0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3a9f2$c5af0fb0$6501a8c0@opr>

Hi Bruce,

When I run ipconfig on the machines in question, I can verify that they
all have unique Ips (to answer another post...). I'm not at home now, so
I'll have to wait till tonite to post the results of ipconfig.
Located in Canada.

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of bruce
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:26 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking


david...

just out of curiousity...

what happens for each machine when you do a c:/ipconfig...? what do you
get
as a result... could you paste the result to us..

and where are you located.. us or abroad...

thanks..

-bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of David Mitchell
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:28 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking


Here's the lowdown on the machines:

1) Windows 2000 server - sees all and can be seen by all
2) Windows XP pro - see all and can be seen by all
3) Windows 2000 pro - sees above 2, but can't see new machine (4)
4) Windows 2000 pro (new machine) - sees (1) and (2) but can't see (3)

All all using the same protocols and are members of the same workgroup.
The
only anomaly I can think of is (3) is a laptop and is on a wireless
connection. My router is set up to serve DHCP. Maybe this could be the
factor?




-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Pemberton
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:20 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking


Can you give a bit more info about the various setups?  eg.  OS on
laptop vs
OS on other PCs.

<warning src="memory" alt="may be a bit rusty" />

On many win9x machines, TCP/IP is not installed by default and they use
NetBEUI.  The reverse is the case in Win2k/XP setups.

Since ping is based on TCP/IP, this may explain the problem with not
being
able to ping the machine.

Try using NBTSTAT.EXE to test rather than ping.  This can sometimes work
better between various network setups.

---
Michael Pemberton
evolt at mpember.net.au

David Mitchell <dave at dbmdata.com> wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a new PC to my
network
> at home. Here's the problem. I have 4 computers all connected to a
> LinkSys router sharing my cable connection. I just added a new
computer
> tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers can see eachohter except for
> the laptop I am typing this email on. This laptop can see all the
> existing computers on the network except for the new one,  and all the
> other computers can see the new PC except for this laptop. I can also
> see the laptop from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if
> you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll need more info, so if
> you do please let me know.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave





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From brian.j.boerner at lmco.com  Thu Nov 13 08:38:41 2003
From: brian.j.boerner at lmco.com (Boerner, Brian J)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:38:41 -0500
Subject: [thelist] a portfolio of web work?
Message-ID: <A24042ECFA3E4A4D9E2BF0A66542685202ECA01B@EMSS04M04.us.lmco.com>

You have to tailor your work to the kind of job you're after - IMHO -
"paper" portfolios for a web design position aren't very good at all.
Though you can judge creativity and design skills, prospective employers
will have no other way to guage how well you'll fit in with their
interactive group. Can you code, use CSS, animate, etc.

Interactive portfolios should be on CD or website... and if you feel the
need to carry something into the interview bring a sweet laptop with
your work all cached up and ready to roll.

swag with your URL is an ok thing to leave behind - especially if it's
unique and ties into your site. or just a really well designed business
card is enough - especially if you have a kick-a55 demo

If you're headed for print work or want to do both print and web THEN
you'll need a top-flight site and book.


np "Sun Green", Neil Young




-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Jeniffer C. Johnson
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:15 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] a portfolio of web work?


Here's a question for folks who make a living doing web work. When
someone 
asks you to bring a portfolio, just how are you representing your online

work in a physical manner? I've got an online portfolio, with details of
my 
role in various projects, links to sites I've developed, and in cases
where 
content is not available to the public online, either copies of some of
the 
pages, or sample files with sensitive content removed. I work online,
and 
most often I'm asked for examples of my work online. But I've been asked

for an actual physical portfolio, that I can carry in and put on
someone's 
desk. I'm not sure just how best to do this, especially since so much of

good web work depends on how well the user can USE the site. I'm not
sure 
just how best to approach putting stuff on paper, or if there's a better

way to do a physical portfolio of online work.

Jeniffer


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From Jono at brookgroup.com  Thu Nov 13 08:43:23 2003
From: Jono at brookgroup.com (Jono Young)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:43:23 -0500
Subject: [thelist] a portfolio of web work?
In-Reply-To: <BBD944B2.22385%mikek@brightstorm.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BBD902BB.8456%Jono@brookgroup.com>

What I do is take a screenshot and then Photoshop the screenshot, cropping
it around the browser window.  After that I mount a printout on black poster
board, and it looks very nice.  You can make a story board of the sites
functionality with multiple printouts.  Making nice clean cuts when mounting
the printouts is extremely important, so be cautious when doing the handy
work.  I also keep a CD handy which contains the same material so I can show
it on the client's computer, or on a projector if they have one.


On 11/13/03 9:24 AM, "mike karthauser" <mikek at brightstorm.co.uk> wrote:

> on 13/11/03 2:15 pm, Jeniffer C. Johnson at lead at offlead.com wrote:
> 
>> Here's a question for folks who make a living doing web work. When someone
>> asks you to bring a portfolio, just how are you representing your online
>> work in a physical manner?
> 
> Save it on cd and bring a laptop. If you are going for a web job - then
> you'll be expected to show working examples.
> 
> If you are going for a design role, then print out some of your designs and
> put them in a folder.
> 
> I always ask for online portfolios/

-- 
Jono Young
Designer/Illustrator



From sam at sam-i-am.com  Thu Nov 13 10:25:25 2003
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:25:25 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Regular Expression Question
In-Reply-To: <000601c3a6dd$c5c2d850$6501a8c0@hartshorne>
References: <000601c3a6dd$c5c2d850$6501a8c0@hartshorne>
Message-ID: <3FB3B075.2090006@sam-i-am.com>


> She said &quot;hello, world&quot; [<a target=&quot;_new&quot;
> href=&quot;link.html&quot;>1</a>]
> 
> Is translated to:
> 
> She said &quot;hi, there.&quot; [<a target="_blank"
> href="link.html">1</a>]
> 

hi Beau,
I'm also going to side-step your question. If you're using perl, I'd 
recommend using HTML::TokeParser (one of the HTML::Parser family of 
modules) which will raise events for each html tag (or text, comment, 
etc) encountered. For a start tag, you get passed the tagname, attribute 
hash, and original string. So you can focus on positive matches rather 
than trying to regexp your way through an entire document with all the 
possible exceptions.

Failing that maybe split it into 2 steps? Use /<([^>]+)>/ to get the 
contents of the tag, unescape the quotes and whatever else you want to 
do and write it back out.

hth
Sam


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 10:37:39 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:37:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
Message-ID: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots and
lots of tabs and carriage returns. I cannot seem to figure out how to
do this in HomeSite - if it is even possible. I think it is, because
I thought I did it once before. 

Anyone?

Tom

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From sam at sam-i-am.com  Thu Nov 13 10:37:37 2003
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:37:37 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Well-formed HTML email
In-Reply-To: <3FB109A3.4010807@cygnusinteractive.com>
References: <CKEGIAJNBPDBMHBEGIPLMEKNCEAA.gravyface@bmfsquad.com>
	<3FB109A3.4010807@cygnusinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3B351.7060100@sam-i-am.com>

>> Any ideas?  I'd love to see some documentation/books on making 
>> well-formed,
>> standards compliant emails -- you would think that the mail client 
>> would be
>> like a browser but nothing ceases to amaze me. :)
> 
> 
> Well, if you're willing to get your hands dirty using Perl, the 
> MIME::Lite module should give you control over everything. You can 
> author your HTML email in your editor of choice and then make Perl send 
> your email. (I'm assuming other languages might have modules that allow 
> similar amounts of control?)

I wrote a simple cgi to do my testing with. It lets you upload a file 
(your template - which will become the body of your message), specify 
To, Subject, etc. headers, and handles the sending of the mail. That way 
I can use the tools I normally do for the html part.
In putting it together I had to work around not having sendmail (I'm on 
win2k), but I ended up using the Mail::Sendmail module (I'll look again 
at MIME::Lite though.) I'd be happy to send out if it would help.

Sam


From joshua at waetech.com  Thu Nov 13 10:41:41 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:41:41 -0500
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
References: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <055d01c3aa05$04043990$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" <pixelmech at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:37 AM


> I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots and
> lots of tabs and carriage returns. I cannot seem to figure out how to
> do this in HomeSite - if it is even possible. I think it is, because
> I thought I did it once before.

In CF Studio you can do this with Extended Replace (Ctrl+Shift+R by
default).

Perhaps Homesite has something similar?

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 10:44:29 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:44:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <055d01c3aa05$04043990$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <20031113164429.49172.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Joshua Olson <joshua at waetech.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" <pixelmech at yahoo.com>

> > I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots
> > and lots of tabs and carriage returns. I cannot seem to figure
out
> > how to do this in HomeSite - if it is even possible. I think it 
> > is, because I thought I did it once before.
> 
> In CF Studio you can do this with Extended Replace (Ctrl+Shift+R by
> default).
> 
> Perhaps Homesite has something similar?

Right, HS has extended S&R which is what I would use - my particular
question is WHAT to use as the search string for TAB and RETURN? I've
tried ^T and \n etc to no avail. How do you tell the engine to find a
tab or a return?

Tom

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From koksa.uh at seznam.cz  Thu Nov 13 10:44:53 2003
From: koksa.uh at seznam.cz (Tomas Kokoska)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:44:53 +0100
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
References: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01c101c3aa05$7704af60$ca09000a@kukulin>

> I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots and
> lots of tabs and carriage returns. I cannot seem to figure out how to
> do this in HomeSite - if it is even possible. I think it is, because
> I thought I did it once before.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Tom

I think you won't be able to do that with Search/Replace.
You can use CodeSweeper instead. There is a feature "Trim white space
between tags" in General settings.

Tom (me too)


From jabber at raditha.com  Thu Nov 13 10:49:45 2003
From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:49:45 +0600
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3B629.3020803@raditha.com>

There is a wonderfull old tool called 'sed' :-)

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots and
>lots of tabs and carriage returns. I cannot seem to figure out how to
>do this in HomeSite - if it is even possible. I think it is, because
>I thought I did it once before. 
>
>Anyone?
>
>Tom
>
>=====
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>http://www.DMXzone.com/ :: JavaScript Author / Every Friday!
>http://www.thywordistruth.net/ :: Eternal Life
>
>"I'll ho ho and ha ha you!" (Daffy Duck)
>  
>


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From sam at sam-i-am.com  Thu Nov 13 10:45:09 2003
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:45:09 -0600
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3B515.4080306@sam-i-am.com>

Select the tab or carriage return, and SHIFT+ CTRL + R (or Search -> 
Extended Replace)
You can build them into a regular expression if you need pattern 
matching. The trick is to use the literal character, not \t or \n as you 
might do elsewhere in a regexp.
Also remember to escape any / or any of the special characters like 
?+.() etc. with a backslash if you need to match them as literal character.

hth
Sam

  + Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots and
> lots of tabs and carriage returns. I cannot seem to figure out how to
> do this in HomeSite - if it is even possible. I think it is, because
> I thought I did it once before. 
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Tom



From rthigpen at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 10:50:24 2003
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:50:24 -0500
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3B650.4090101@nc.rr.com>

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

> I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots and
> lots of tabs and carriage returns. 


You can simply type in the literals into the search and replace dialogue 
boxes, ie: type in a tab for it to find a tab, or you can use the 
regular expressions syntax and specify these characters with their regex 
form, ex: \n.

--rt


From chris at fastspot.com  Thu Nov 13 10:57:59 2003
From: chris at fastspot.com (Christopher Styles)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:57:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <20031113164429.49172.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031113164429.49172.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3B817.9000606@fastspot.com>

Have you tried \t for Tab, and \r for a Return?

chris( )

 >
 > Right, HS has extended S&R which is what I would use - my particular
 > question is WHAT to use as the search string for TAB and RETURN? I've
 > tried ^T and \n etc to no avail. How do you tell the engine to find a
 > tab or a return?
 >
 > Tom


From cira at bork.hampshire.edu  Thu Nov 13 10:57:06 2003
From: cira at bork.hampshire.edu (|| cira ||)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:57:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311131153170.4292-100000@bork.hampshire.edu>


On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

> I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots and
> lots of tabs and carriage returns. I cannot seem to figure out how to
> do this in HomeSite - if it is even possible. I think it is, because
> I thought I did it once before. 

The only way I have been able to S+R specific characters such as tabs, or 
newlines, is to copy them from the text and paste into the Search box. 
Codesweeper will only fix "\s" whitespace I think.

Once pasted into the search box, you should see thick line, kind of like a 
pipe (|).

HTH
-Samantha


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 11:02:22 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:02:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <01c101c3aa05$7704af60$ca09000a@kukulin>
Message-ID: <20031113170222.37386.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Tomas Kokoska <koksa.uh at seznam.cz> wrote:

> I think you won't be able to do that with Search/Replace.
> You can use CodeSweeper instead. There is a feature "Trim white
> space between tags" in General settings.

Right - that doesn't do the trick :)

Tom

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From sabaffy at mswebdevelopment.com  Thu Nov 13 11:12:43 2003
From: sabaffy at mswebdevelopment.com (Steve Abaffy)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:12:43 -0600
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <3FB3B629.3020803@raditha.com>
Message-ID: <ECEOJNOEBBFGGFHOGEOMKEKNMNAA.sabaffy@mswebdevelopment.com>

Normally when I need to do this all I do is copy one of the tab in one
document and copy this into the search & replace window (This works for
tabs, not for CRLF) Haven't found anything that will take those out in
Homesite yet.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Raditha Dissanayake
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:50 AM
> To: pixelmech at yahoo.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special
> characters?
>
>
> There is a wonderfull old tool called 'sed' :-)
>
> Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots and
> >lots of tabs and carriage returns. I cannot seem to figure out how to
> >do this in HomeSite - if it is even possible. I think it is, because
> >I thought I did it once before.
> >
> >Anyone?
> >
> >Tom
> >
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From tim at pinkcandyproductions.com  Thu Nov 13 11:10:21 2003
From: tim at pinkcandyproductions.com (Tim)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:10:21 -0500
Subject: [thelist] 
 Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website Using a Comp (prior
 to payment)
Message-ID: <007301c3aa09$05b32540$14f3fea9@tj>

Hi all,
Can anyone provide advice regarding recourse in a copyright infringement case (in Canada).

A client of mine used my comp of their proposed website to create and upload their new home page. I had my company's copyright notice as the page footer and they changed it to the name of their company.

I made it very clear that they would receive the project files once I had received the final payment. I have not yet received payment. I have asked them to remove the page until I have been paid and they have refused.

What are my options?
Any help would be appreciated.
Tim

From koksa.uh at seznam.cz  Thu Nov 13 11:10:53 2003
From: koksa.uh at seznam.cz (Tomas Kokoska)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:10:53 +0100
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
References: <20031113164429.49172.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01f301c3aa09$1884a680$ca09000a@kukulin>

> > > I have a big document where I'd like to search and replace lots
> > > and lots of tabs and carriage returns. I cannot seem to figure
> out
> > > how to do this in HomeSite - if it is even possible. I think it
> > > is, because I thought I did it once before.
> >
> > In CF Studio you can do this with Extended Replace (Ctrl+Shift+R by
> > default).
> >
> > Perhaps Homesite has something similar?
>
> Right, HS has extended S&R which is what I would use - my particular
> question is WHAT to use as the search string for TAB and RETURN? I've
> tried ^T and \n etc to no avail. How do you tell the engine to find a
> tab or a return?
>
> Tom
>

So, I've tried it (and read little piece of help documentation :-) and it's
much easier.
Just press Tab in the Find area and nothing in the Replace with area and it
will do the trick.
The same with Enter/Return. Optionally you can check "Skip tags while
searching".
That's all and it works (HomeSite 5.0)

Tom



From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com  Thu Nov 13 11:31:23 2003
From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:31:23 -0500
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
References: <20031113163739.7641.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
	<3FB3B650.4090101@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <032e01c3aa0b$f5ab9210$2101a8c0@DELL4500>

Here's how I do it...

1. Highlight the section of code that you want to replace; it can cover as
many lines, tabs, etc. as you wish.
2. Go to the Extended Replace feature by the button, drop down list or key
sequence (Shift+Ctrl+R)
3. Your highlighted text will show in the "Find What" field.
4. Place your replacement text in the "Replace With" field.
5. Choose your "Find Where" option
6. Choose "Replace"

That's it!

Another neat thing you can do... Let's say you have made a change that you
want to make show up on all the pages of a project.  Highlight the new
information and copy it to the clipboard (Ctrl+C).  Next go to a page where
the text to be replaced is located and highlight the text.  Now go through
the steps above.  HS will copy what you have highlighted into the "Find
What" field and you can paste (Ctrl+V) the new text into the "Replace With"
field.  Choose all the documents in the project's folder and click
"Replace".  Badabing!  It's done!

Norman Bunn
www.CraftedSolutions.com
803-405-1008



From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 11:04:26 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:04:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
	[solved]
In-Reply-To: <056501c3aa05$f40d5a20$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <20031113170426.90209.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Joshua Olson <joshua at waetech.com> wrote:
> The Extended S&R in CF Studio is a text area.  If you want to
> search on a Tab simply put a normal Tab into the box.  For CR's do 
> the same. No special encoding needed... just clear the "find what" 
> box, focus the "find what" box, hit either the tab or the enter 
> key, set the value of the "replace with" box, and that's it.

That's it! Thanks Joshua!

Tom


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From Jono at brookgroup.com  Thu Nov 13 11:49:20 2003
From: Jono at brookgroup.com (Jono Young)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:49:20 -0500
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <20031113170222.37386.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BBD92E50.847E%Jono@brookgroup.com>

You could copy the code into a text editor such as TextEdit(Mac) and do a
find replace of empty space.  If I highlight a tab, or any other amount of
open/empty space in the code, and then Edit<Copy (in TextEdit) I can then do
a Find and Replace Edit<Paste of that same amount of space, and replace it
with nothing.  You can do the same thing in Word and Notepad too, I think.
I always use TextEdit for tasks such as this one, and I am using a Mac so I
am not entirely sure about the Notepad option.

On 11/13/03 12:02 PM, "Tom Dell'Aringa" <pixelmech at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- Tomas Kokoska <koksa.uh at seznam.cz> wrote:
> 
>> I think you won't be able to do that with Search/Replace.
>> You can use CodeSweeper instead. There is a feature "Trim white
>> space between tags" in General settings.
> 
> Right - that doesn't do the trick :)
> 
> Tom


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Designer/Illustrator



From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 11:50:42 2003
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:50:42 -0000
Subject: [thelist] HomeSite: Search & Replace for special characters?
In-Reply-To: <20031113170222.37386.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031113170222.37386.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <opryk7usgsc4uo5t@localhost>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:02:22 -0800 (PST), Tom Dell'Aringa 
<pixelmech at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> --- Tomas Kokoska <koksa.uh at seznam.cz> wrote:
>
>> I think you won't be able to do that with Search/Replace.
>> You can use CodeSweeper instead. There is a feature "Trim white
>> space between tags" in General settings.
>
> Right - that doesn't do the trick :)
>

Hi

have you got a copy of editplus?

that has a really easy search and replace function - you can select 
special characters from a dropdown to search for and replace with if you 
want.

http://www.editplus.com

I don't use it all the time but it's really good for cleaning up files.

it has  trim trailing spaces and convert spaces to tabs etc...

hth

Tony

From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Thu Nov 13 12:20:59 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:20:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Popup Calendar (Javascript)
Message-ID: <003101c3aa12$e41e7380$0300000a@hershel2000>

Anyone have any suggestions for a good, customizable Javascript-based popup
date picker? I have found a few thus far but perhaps I haven't found THE one
I want just yet. Here are two that look interesting:

http://www.phpguru.org/dyncalendar.html

http://sutternow.com/CodeStuff/javascript/dropdndate/dropdncal.jsp

Thanks,
Hershel


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Thu Nov 13 12:45:20 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:45:20 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Popup Calendar (Javascript)
In-Reply-To: <003101c3aa12$e41e7380$0300000a@hershel2000>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLEELNLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

hershel,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Hershel Robinson
>
> Anyone have any suggestions for a good, customizable
> Javascript-based popup date picker?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

what level of browser support?

customizable how?

.jeff

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From spambait at onpointsolutions.com  Thu Nov 13 12:49:10 2003
From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:49:10 -0800
Subject: [thelist]  Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website Using a
	Comp (prior to payment)
References: <007301c3aa09$05b32540$14f3fea9@tj>
Message-ID: <002401c3aa16$d362b610$9865fea9@OFFICE>

Tim wrote:
> Hi all,
> Can anyone provide advice regarding recourse in a copyright
> infringement case (in Canada).

I'm not a Canadian lawyer, but my advice is that you consult one if
the amount unpaid is large and you don't care about losing this
client for future projects. In that case, have the attny write a
demand letter claiming the client not only breached its contract with
you but is now infringing your copyright. Maybe an hour of attny time
to do this.

You could of course write this yourself but it sounds like your client
could care less about what you have to say at this point.

By the way, do you have a written contract with the client for the
work you did? If so, does it have an attorney's fees provision?

-------------
Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
www.OnPointSolutions.com



From kr43m0r at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 13 12:54:43 2003
From: kr43m0r at earthlink.net (Lonnie)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:54:43 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Popup Calendar (Javascript)
References: <003101c3aa12$e41e7380$0300000a@hershel2000>
Message-ID: <006401c3aa17$99e70610$6401a8c0@yoda>

> Anyone have any suggestions for a good, customizable Javascript-based
popup
> date picker? I have found a few thus far but perhaps I haven't found THE
one
> I want just yet. Here are two that look interesting:

Have you tried:

http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/calendar/index.cfm



From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Thu Nov 13 12:56:57 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:56:57 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Popup Calendar (Javascript)
In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLEELNLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <003201c3aa17$e99ac570$0300000a@hershel2000>

> what level of browser support?

Well I personally only need it for IE6 Win. Perhaps other people are also
interested in broader solutions.

> customizable how?

At the very least that it has intelligently-written code so I can edit it
myself. I want to customize the look (CSS hopefully) and probably the
behavior--what options it shows, how it closes, what are the defaults etc.

I also looked at Microshaft's xmlns utc calendar. It's nice, but not quite
what I want. Furthermore, the code there is quite large.

Hershel


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 13:27:01 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:27:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript: How to save/return state on group of objects
Message-ID: <20031113192701.77510.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there,

I have a table of data that is styled with various background colors.
Any one cell can be one of 5 colors - 2 shades of yellow, 2 shades of
green or black.

I have a function where you rollover the row, I highlight that row so
it is more easily readable.

PROBLEM: Highlighting the row is easy, returning each cell back to
its' one of 5 colors is not so easy. This is what I want to do.

Here is my highlight function (which is set via an init() function
during onload):

function HLRow()
{
	var table = document.getElementById("schedTable");
	var oRows = table.getElementsByTagName("TR");
	
	var lastRowClass;
	
	for(var i=0; i<oRows.length; i++)
	{
		oRows[i].onmouseover = function() {
			BoldRow_HLCells(this);
			this.style.fontWeight = "bold";
			this.style.color = "#cc0000";
		}
		oRows[i].onmouseout = function() {
			BoldRow_ResetCells(this);
			this.style.fontWeight = "normal";
			this.style.color = "#000";
		}
	}
}

You can see I am calling 2 other functions within, one to highlight
the row, one to reset the row back to its colors - that's where I
need the help. Those two functions are nearly identical:

function BoldRow_HLCells (oRow) {
	var oCells = oRow.getElementsByTagName("TD");
	for(var i=0; i<oCells.length; i++)
	{
		oCells[i].style.backgroundColor="#66cc99";
	}
}

function BoldRow_ResetCells (oRow) {
	var oCells = oRow.getElementsByTagName("TD");
	for(var i=0; i<oCells.length; i++)
	{
		oCells[i].style.backgroundColor="#fff";
	}
}

This all works, but of course returning the cells to white is not
what I want :). My first thought was to save each cell's original
value in an array, then run through that array and reset them all.
I'm just wondering if there is a better way.

I can almost see Marcus now typing up an OO answer...;)

You can see the page in its full glory at:

http://www.pixelmech.com/review/newWorkerTable.html

TIA

Tom

=====
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http://www.DMXzone.com/ :: JavaScript Author / Every Friday!
http://www.thywordistruth.net/ :: Eternal Life

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From brian at brianreaves.com  Thu Nov 13 13:41:37 2003
From: brian at brianreaves.com (Brian W. Reaves)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:41:37 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Popup Calendar (Javascript)
In-Reply-To: <006401c3aa17$99e70610$6401a8c0@yoda>
References: <003101c3aa12$e41e7380$0300000a@hershel2000>
	<006401c3aa17$99e70610$6401a8c0@yoda>
Message-ID: <3fb3ec9f$1@127.0.0.1>

Hey .jeff,

Your calendar doesn't work in Firebird 0.7 on XP...

<snip>
> Have you tried:
> 
> http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/calendar/index.cfm
> 
</snip>



From headlemur at cox.net  Thu Nov 13 13:35:32 2003
From: headlemur at cox.net (headlemur)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:35:32 -0700
Subject: [thelist]  Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website Using a
	Comp (prior to payment)
References: <007301c3aa09$05b32540$14f3fea9@tj>
Message-ID: <00b501c3aa1d$5a2bcfa0$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>



Dig out all of your paperwork, files, screenshots, of your originals and
what is currently up. create a list of dates of work.

create a timeline of activity from initial contact to date of last payment.

See a Copyright/Contract Lawyer.
=======================================================
I made it very clear that they would receive the project files once I had
received the final payment. I have not yet received payment. I have asked
them to remove the page until I have been paid and they have refused.
=======================================================
I hope that as Bob says that you have an attorney fees segment in your
contract.

The good news is that an attorney letter will usually solve the issue.
In case that it doesn't you will need the full monty by applying for
copyright and then you will have to look for another lawyer who will work on
a contingency basis. The price of pursuit is gonna go up.

An hour of attorney time will probably let you know if the pockets are deep
enough and you are mad enough.

Go for the money, damages, and mental anguish.

Drop the client like a stone once you have Cashed the check.

Trust me, by taking this guy down will only enhance your reputation and let
the next one up know that you are in Business.

the head lemur
News: http://www.lemurzone.com/news/
Interviews: http://www.lemurzone.com/pixelview/
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Community: http://www.evolt.org






From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Thu Nov 13 13:52:39 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:52:39 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Popup Calendar (Javascript)
In-Reply-To: <006401c3aa17$99e70610$6401a8c0@yoda>
Message-ID: <003501c3aa1f$b1da55d0$0300000a@hershel2000>

> Have you tried:
>
> http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/calendar/index.cfm

Jeff Howden? Who IS this guy? I've never heard of him. ;)

Anyhow, this does look very interesting. Appears to use a bit of technology
with which I am not familiar, but that's good I suppose--always good to
learn.

Looks nice, Jeff. Can I ask a question--why is there no download button for
visitors to download your code without having to look inside the HTML page
to see where it is? :)

Thanks,
Hershel


From cs1spw at bath.ac.uk  Thu Nov 13 13:57:11 2003
From: cs1spw at bath.ac.uk (Simon Willison)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:57:11 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Popup Calendar (Javascript)
In-Reply-To: <003201c3aa17$e99ac570$0300000a@hershel2000>
References: <003201c3aa17$e99ac570$0300000a@hershel2000>
Message-ID: <3FB3E217.8010902@bath.ac.uk>

Hershel Robinson wrote:
>>customizable how?
> 
> At the very least that it has intelligently-written code so I can edit it
> myself. I want to customize the look (CSS hopefully) and probably the
> behavior--what options it shows, how it closes, what are the defaults etc.

The calendar from this site is standards compliant in all the right ways 
and is easy to customise using CSS. Good documentation too.

http://dynarch.com/mishoo/calendar.epl



-- 
Simon Willison
Web development weblog: http://simon.incutio.com/


From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Thu Nov 13 14:06:31 2003
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (djinn at darkdesigns.org)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:06:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Div Background Color Visibility
Message-ID: <20031113200631.32321.qmail@webmail-2-1.secureserver.net>

I Googled and I searched the list archives to no avail. Does anyone have any idea why my Footer background color isn't visible?

http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/revamp/members_only2.html

Thanks for your help.

Jean Peterson

From kr43m0r at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 13 14:18:05 2003
From: kr43m0r at earthlink.net (Lonnie)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:18:05 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Enterprise site architecture/CMS question
References: <2CC639B9-158E-11D8-9F3D-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00ae01c3aa23$3f74eab0$6401a8c0@yoda>

> > One efficient way to handle static content is to write content pages
> > that
> > call the template - somewhat upsidedown as logic goes.

> They way it works is to have some templates that take the body content
> file's filename as a variable. Then the page itself passes that
> variable to the template. The body content file is yet another file.

[snip]

> Of course it's never exactly that easy, and this example is somewhat
> simplified. Basically, you get to avoid re-doing most of the content
> pages in the next redesign. The trade-off is that it's not intuitive
> for most people when they want to edit the content to have to look in a
> file that isn't the same name as the one their browser calls.
>
> Diane

I was referring to something a bit different. My method uses ASP. Here's a
very simplified explanation

The content pages simply sets some variables - like:

pagetitle="This is the page title"

etc.
and has a subroutine that contains the actual content:

<% sub pagecontent() %>
<p>This is the content of the page.</p>
<% end sub %>

and finally includes the template:

<!--#include file="template.asp"-->

template.asp then has placeholders for the variables:

<title><%= pagetitle %></title>

and a call to the subroutine to read the contents:

<% call pagecontent() %>




From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Thu Nov 13 15:27:02 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:27:02 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Popup Calendar (Javascript)
In-Reply-To: <3fb3ec9f$1@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEMKLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

brian,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Brian W. Reaves
>
> Hey .jeff,
>
> Your calendar doesn't work in Firebird 0.7 on XP...
>
> > http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/calendar/index.cfm
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

yes, i'm well aware of that (and added a note to that effect).  it uses a
number of scripting tricks that are only available to win/ie.  maybe one of
these days when mozilla users account for more than the <1% of the total
browser market share for my client's sites I'll consider "fixing" it.

.jeff

------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Thu Nov 13 15:40:12 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:40:12 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Popup Calendar (Javascript)
In-Reply-To: <003501c3aa1f$b1da55d0$0300000a@hershel2000>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLKEMMLMAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

hershel,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Hershel Robinson
>
> > http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/calendar/index.cfm
>
> Jeff Howden? Who IS this guy? I've never heard of
> him. ;)
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

i hear he used to be a great coder.  then he lost both hands in a horrible
knitting accident.  i heard he moved to the coast and paints ocean-scapes
with his stubs.  i have one of his paintings too.  it cost me 30k, but it
was worth it.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> Anyhow, this does look very interesting. Appears to use
> a bit of technology with which I am not familiar, but
> that's good I suppose--always good to learn.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

scriptlet is the operative word.

it's basically a mechanism that allows you to use html to create an
embeddable object in the page.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> Looks nice, Jeff. Can I ask a question--why is there no
> download button for visitors to download your code
> without having to look inside the HTML page to see where
> it is? :)
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

ah, there was a zip file in there, but no link to it.  if you're running
win/ie and can see the toolbar, then it'll be available in the dropdown
menu.

.jeff

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From chris at ecleanuk.com  Thu Nov 13 14:06:27 2003
From: chris at ecleanuk.com (Chris Marsh)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:06:27 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Div Background Color Visibility
In-Reply-To: <20031113200631.32321.qmail@webmail-2-1.secureserver.net>
References: <20031113200631.32321.qmail@webmail-2-1.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <20031113200627.M25716@ecleanuk.com>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:06:31 -0700, djinn wrote
> I Googled and I searched the list archives to no avail. Does anyone 
> have any idea why my Footer background color isn't visible?
> 
> http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/revamp/members_only2.html

The following line breaks your stylesheet:

body[class] .text { height: auto; } <!--Hack for Opera/Moz to over-ride 
height:100px-->

Remove (or modify) this, and it works fine.

Regards

Chris Marsh

From jhmielowski at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 16:42:31 2003
From: jhmielowski at comcast.net (Joshua Hmielowski)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:42:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Div Background Color Visibility
In-Reply-To: <20031113200631.32321.qmail@webmail-2-1.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <AA636CA2-162A-11D8-A242-000393A9F78E@comcast.net>

if your footer background color is black....it works fine with explorer 
mac and safari.
(unless you fixed it already.)

josh

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 01:06 PM, djinn at darkdesigns.org 
wrote:

> I Googled and I searched the list archives to no avail. Does anyone 
> have any idea why my Footer background color isn't visible?
>
> http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/revamp/members_only2.html
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Jean Peterson
> -- 
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From marcan at home.se  Thu Nov 13 17:13:00 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:13:00 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] JavaScript: How to save/return state on group of
	objects
In-Reply-To: <20031113192701.77510.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <023a01c3aa3b$af367540$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>

>This all works, but of course returning the cells to white is not what
I want :). My first thought was to save each cell's original value in an
array, then run through that array and reset them all. I'm just
wondering if there is a better way.

Well, arrays can be quite handy.

>I can almost see Marcus now typing up an OO answer...;)

I could, if you want...
But, even if you create an OO solution to this there will in the end
(hidden somewhere in the OO stuff) be an array :). And I also guess that
OO shouldn't be used everywhere. Your script is pretty small and simple
and I think it would make it a little bit more complex if you make it OO
(not very much though). But, if you're going to use it all over the
place I would definitely make it a class somehow.

>You can see the page in its full glory at:

>http://www.pixelmech.com/review/newWorkerTable.html

Hmmm... It doesn't work. Everything gets green. A change on row 84 to:
oCells[i].style.backgroundColor = "";
made it work

Yeay, I know it's kind of ugly and not completely DOMish to "reset" an
attribute like that, but all (not many at all according to PPK and his
quirksmode) browsers doesn't support removal of attributes. And it works
;)

/Marcus


From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Thu Nov 13 18:42:07 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:42:07 +1100
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
References: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
Message-ID: <021901c3aa48$220fbd90$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

Hi,

I've asked you a couple of times already, but can you do this please:

\\192.168.0.1

in the Explorer bar of machine (3), where the IP address is replaced with
the one that's assigned to machine (4) below? I think you have a routing
problem of some kind (something to do with the browse list broadcasts not
being propogated perhaps, or announcements not being propogated), and then
that's causing browse list maintenance problems...

Because you don't have a domain model, you're not using DNS for name
resolution. Instead, when a machine starts up (and it has NetBT bound to an
adapter), it forces an election on the network (to elect a browse master).
The browse master maintains a master list of shared resources on the
network. The election also results in backup browsers, which receive a list
of resources from the master browser. When you want to access a resource by
name, your machine contacts a backup browser. You run into problems when:
a) the election doesn't work properly (eg a machine might be running a
firewall that stops it receiving incoming election broadcasts, and then
appoints itself a master not realising that there are other masters on the
network)
b) the master browse list hasn't propogated to the rest of the backup
browsers yet, and your machine contacts a backup browser that has an
out-of-date list of resources.

Using \\IP-Address-Here helps get around some of these problems by
dispensing with name resolution.

Alternatively (this is better, but requires a little more effort), using
browstat.exe to determine what the browse list status is on all your
machines. (I can email it to you offlist if required).

(I assume that you can ping all the machines from each other - it's only
accessing SMB or NetBT resources like file shares etc that's causing
problems).

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "David Mitchell" <dave at dbmdata.com>
Subject: RE: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking


: Here's the lowdown on the machines:
:
: 1) Windows 2000 server - sees all and can be seen by all
: 2) Windows XP pro - see all and can be seen by all
: 3) Windows 2000 pro - sees above 2, but can't see new machine (4)
: 4) Windows 2000 pro (new machine) - sees (1) and (2) but can't see (3)
:
: All all using the same protocols and are members of the same workgroup.
The
: only anomaly I can think of is (3) is a laptop and is on a wireless
: connection. My router is set up to serve DHCP. Maybe this could be the
: factor?
:
:
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
: [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Pemberton
: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:20 PM
: To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
: Subject: Re: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
:
:
: Can you give a bit more info about the various setups?  eg.  OS on laptop
vs
: OS on other PCs.
:
: <warning src="memory" alt="may be a bit rusty" />
:
: On many win9x machines, TCP/IP is not installed by default and they use
: NetBEUI.  The reverse is the case in Win2k/XP setups.
:
: Since ping is based on TCP/IP, this may explain the problem with not being
: able to ping the machine.
:
: Try using NBTSTAT.EXE to test rather than ping.  This can sometimes work
: better between various network setups.
:
: ---
: Michael Pemberton
: evolt at mpember.net.au
:
: David Mitchell <dave at dbmdata.com> wrote:
:
: > Hey All,
: >
: > Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a new PC to my network
: > at home. Here's the problem. I have 4 computers all connected to a
: > LinkSys router sharing my cable connection. I just added a new computer
: > tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers can see eachohter except for
: > the laptop I am typing this email on. This laptop can see all the
: > existing computers on the network except for the new one,  and all the
: > other computers can see the new PC except for this laptop. I can also
: > see the laptop from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if
: > you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll need more info, so if
: > you do please let me know.
: >
: > Thanks in advance,
: >
: > Dave


From dave at dbmdata.com  Thu Nov 13 19:09:35 2003
From: dave at dbmdata.com (David Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:09:35 -0500
Subject: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking  - Solved.
In-Reply-To: <021901c3aa48$220fbd90$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
References: <DKEHLOBGDNNFFKMIKMMEMEIPCDAA.dave@dbmdata.com>
	<021901c3aa48$220fbd90$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <3FB42B4F.5000800@dbmdata.com>

Hi Ken,

Yes, I had tried that several times and it would actually hang explorer. 
I was not able to ping the machine in question by the ip address either. 
Basically the problem came down to this: The 2 Win2k Pro boxes on the 
network could not talk to eachother. They would show up in the Net 
'Hood, but trying to browse them would hang Explorer as well.

What  I did to get it working was:
1) shutdown all the machines on the network
2) unplug the router, plug it back in
3) start all machines up again.

Everything works fine. I still think that the Linksys had something to 
do with my woes, since I have had other strange networking issues since 
installing it (as is probably painfully evident, I am in no way a 
networking guru).

Thanks for all your insight, Ken, and thanks to everyone else who helped 
me out with this.

Cheers,

Dave



Ken Schaefer wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I've asked you a couple of times already, but can you do this please:
>
>\\192.168.0.1
>
>in the Explorer bar of machine (3), where the IP address is replaced with
>the one that's assigned to machine (4) below? I think you have a routing
>problem of some kind (something to do with the browse list broadcasts not
>being propogated perhaps, or announcements not being propogated), and then
>that's causing browse list maintenance problems...
>
>Because you don't have a domain model, you're not using DNS for name
>resolution. Instead, when a machine starts up (and it has NetBT bound to an
>adapter), it forces an election on the network (to elect a browse master).
>The browse master maintains a master list of shared resources on the
>network. The election also results in backup browsers, which receive a list
>of resources from the master browser. When you want to access a resource by
>name, your machine contacts a backup browser. You run into problems when:
>a) the election doesn't work properly (eg a machine might be running a
>firewall that stops it receiving incoming election broadcasts, and then
>appoints itself a master not realising that there are other masters on the
>network)
>b) the master browse list hasn't propogated to the rest of the backup
>browsers yet, and your machine contacts a backup browser that has an
>out-of-date list of resources.
>
>Using \\IP-Address-Here helps get around some of these problems by
>dispensing with name resolution.
>
>Alternatively (this is better, but requires a little more effort), using
>browstat.exe to determine what the browse list status is on all your
>machines. (I can email it to you offlist if required).
>
>(I assume that you can ping all the machines from each other - it's only
>accessing SMB or NetBT resources like file shares etc that's causing
>problems).
>
>Cheers
>Ken
>
>Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>From: "David Mitchell" <dave at dbmdata.com>
>Subject: RE: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
>
>
>: Here's the lowdown on the machines:
>:
>: 1) Windows 2000 server - sees all and can be seen by all
>: 2) Windows XP pro - see all and can be seen by all
>: 3) Windows 2000 pro - sees above 2, but can't see new machine (4)
>: 4) Windows 2000 pro (new machine) - sees (1) and (2) but can't see (3)
>:
>: All all using the same protocols and are members of the same workgroup.
>The
>: only anomaly I can think of is (3) is a laptop and is on a wireless
>: connection. My router is set up to serve DHCP. Maybe this could be the
>: factor?
>:
>:
>:
>:
>: -----Original Message-----
>: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
>: [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Pemberton
>: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:20 PM
>: To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>: Subject: Re: [thelist] OT: Windows 2000 Networking
>:
>:
>: Can you give a bit more info about the various setups?  eg.  OS on laptop
>vs
>: OS on other PCs.
>:
>: <warning src="memory" alt="may be a bit rusty" />
>:
>: On many win9x machines, TCP/IP is not installed by default and they use
>: NetBEUI.  The reverse is the case in Win2k/XP setups.
>:
>: Since ping is based on TCP/IP, this may explain the problem with not being
>: able to ping the machine.
>:
>: Try using NBTSTAT.EXE to test rather than ping.  This can sometimes work
>: better between various network setups.
>:
>: ---
>: Michael Pemberton
>: evolt at mpember.net.au
>:
>: David Mitchell <dave at dbmdata.com> wrote:
>:
>: > Hey All,
>: >
>: > Have a really annoying problem here trying to add a new PC to my network
>: > at home. Here's the problem. I have 4 computers all connected to a
>: > LinkSys router sharing my cable connection. I just added a new computer
>: > tonite running W2k Pro. All the computers can see eachohter except for
>: > the laptop I am typing this email on. This laptop can see all the
>: > existing computers on the network except for the new one,  and all the
>: > other computers can see the new PC except for this laptop. I can also
>: > see the laptop from the computer that I can't see from the laptop, if
>: > you know what I mean. Any ideas? I'm sure you'll need more info, so if
>: > you do please let me know.
>: >
>: > Thanks in advance,
>: >
>: > Dave
>
>  
>



From mpember at phreaker.net  Thu Nov 13 19:10:11 2003
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:10:11 +1100
Subject: [thelist] odd IE worm or something..
Message-ID: <hobhwz.g1@mail.int.mpember.net.au>

The program I found on the PC i checked yesterday was SearchSuire's
masterpiece.  It monitors search submissions and gives you "helpful" popups. 
More info can be found here: http://www.searchsquire.com/

I'm not sure that this was the same program on my brother's machine, but it
sound very similar.
---
Michael Pemberton
evolt at mpember.net.au

Tom Dell'Aringa <pixelmech at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have *never* (nor would I) installed Kazaa or anything like that,
> so for me that was not it (i was the original poster.)





From scot at vquill.com  Thu Nov 13 19:53:45 2003
From: scot at vquill.com (Scot Radowski)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:53:45 -0800
Subject: [thelist] easy way to convert character encoding?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3a99d$86ce1c00$6a00a8c0@tom>
References: <000001c3a99d$86ce1c00$6a00a8c0@tom>
Message-ID: <3FB435A9.8030501@vquill.com>

Tom,

I too am interested in something along these lines.  Don't know if this 
will help you or not, but I found a thorough php script collection at 
http://www.spencernetwork.org/

The third link is for jcode. The readme describes the encoding it will 
convert from/to.

Scot


[tom jaimz] wrote:

>hi thelist crew,
>
>i have a database with quite a lot of information encoded in shift_jis, and
>we've decided because we are going to eventually have to use multiple
>languages on one page, it's logical to convert over to utf-8 encoding.  does
>anyone know of any easy methods - perhaps just a couple of well-constructed
>vbscript functions - to convert the data from shift_jis to utf-8?
>
>thanks!
>tom.
>
>
>  
>




From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 22:08:45 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:08:45 +0000
Subject: [thelist] No hotlinking?
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114040636.023d5628@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

I am happy to allow anything<at>google.<anything> to hotlink, nothing else

What should I add to my "wee" script below, to achieve that?

FB

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^[http|nttp].*$
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www\.)?fatblokeracing.org/.*$ [NC]
RewriteRule \.(gif|jpg|jpeg|png)$ 
http://www.fatblokeracing.org/sharedimages/badimage.gif [R,L]


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 22:23:38 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:23:38 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Client Posted Website Using a Comp (prior to payment).....
 personal experience
In-Reply-To: <007301c3aa09$05b32540$14f3fea9@tj>
References: <007301c3aa09$05b32540$14f3fea9@tj>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114041739.0245ef08@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 17:10 13/11/2003, Tim wrote
>Hi all,
>Can anyone provide advice regarding recourse in a copyright infringement 
>case (in Canada).
>
>A client of mine used my comp of their proposed website to create and 
>upload their new home page. I had my company's copyright notice as the 
>page footer and they changed it to the name of their company.
>
>I made it very clear that they would receive the project files once I had 
>received the final payment. I have not yet received payment. I have asked 
>them to remove the page until I have been paid and they have refused.
>
>What are my options?
>Any help would be appreciated.

This happened once to me

Customer ripped content off the server I hosted it on and copied it to "his"

He was stupid enough NOT to take the author tags and hidden copyright 
comments out each page of the code!!!!!

I Told the "customer" (sensu lato)  he was a very naughty man and would be 
cursed with torment hellfire brimstone and damnation
on his departure from this earth  if he did not pay, he did nothing.... 
(not god-fearing in the slightest)

Luckily his "ripped off" site was now HOSTED on a 3rd party server not his own!

Rang the host and told them they were delivering content that breached 
....la la la la..

......... furious "view source" by the host!

Site was down in 30 minutes!!!

Customer paid up in 1 day ;)

John

>Tim


From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Thu Nov 13 23:19:54 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:19:54 +1100
Subject: [thelist] No hotlinking?
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114040636.023d5628@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <08f001c3aa6e$f035fba0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

So www.google.adOpenStatic.com is OK? I'm not sure that's what you want...

:-)

Cheers
Ken

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "John C Bullas" <jcbullas at nildram.co.uk>
Subject: [thelist] No hotlinking?


: I am happy to allow anything<at>google.<anything> to hotlink, nothing else
:
: What should I add to my "wee" script below, to achieve that?
:
: FB
:
: RewriteEngine on
: RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^[http|nttp].*$
: RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
: RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www\.)?fatblokeracing.org/.*$ [NC]
: RewriteRule \.(gif|jpg|jpeg|png)$
: http://www.fatblokeracing.org/sharedimages/badimage.gif [R,L]


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 23:46:58 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:46:58 +0000
Subject: [thelist] No hotlinking?
In-Reply-To: <08f001c3aa6e$f035fba0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114040636.023d5628@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <08f001c3aa6e$f035fba0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114054459.023ac568@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 05:19 14/11/2003, Ken Schaefer wrote
>So www.google.adOpenStatic.com is OK? I'm not sure that's what you want...

Ah ha

maybe anything.google.<two to four letters only>

AND can you actually tell me what I should put in not not
actually give me what I should not ;)


>:-)
>
>Cheers
>Ken
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>From: "John C Bullas" <jcbullas at nildram.co.uk>
>Subject: [thelist] No hotlinking?
>
>
>: I am happy to allow anything<at>google.<anything> to hotlink, nothing else
>:
>: What should I add to my "wee" script below, to achieve that?
>:
>: FB
>:
>: RewriteEngine on
>: RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^[http|nttp].*$
>: RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
>: RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www\.)?fatblokeracing.org/.*$ [NC]
>: RewriteRule \.(gif|jpg|jpeg|png)$
>: http://www.fatblokeracing.org/sharedimages/badimage.gif [R,L]
>
>--
>* * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
>http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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>and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
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**********************************************
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***** Eudora Mail 6.0.0.22  + McAfee Virus Scan 4.5.1 *****
**********************************************


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 00:01:57 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:01:57 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Amusing spam aside... and spambotting
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114054459.023ac568@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114040636.023d5628@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <08f001c3aa6e$f035fba0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
 <6.0.0.22.0.20031114054459.023ac568@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114055434.02404388@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

Last year one of my domains got hijacked for the spoofed return
address of some crappy spam.....

><p>I'm a real person writing to you, and I'm telling you this works...
>           <br>
>           Give it a try... You WILL make some serious cash !</p>
>         <p>Hi,</p>
>         <p>You may have seen this business before and<br>
>           ignored it. I know I did - many times! However,<br>
>           please take a few moments to read this letter.<br>
>           I was amazed when the profit potential of this<br>
>           business finally sunk in... and it works!</p>
>         <p>With easy-to-use e-mail tools and opt-in e-mail,<br>
>           success in this business is now fast, easy and<br>
>           well within the capabilities of ordinary people<br>
>           who know little about internet marketing. And the<br>
>           earnings potential is truly staggering!</p>
>

I logged the process of getting the spammer shut down/moved on

Letters to the UK  DTI and trading standards offices local to the UK spammers
seem to have moved them on to PO boxes as the site I put up reproduces
their postal addresses in the spam.......

#1 spammer using my domain moved off the top 5 list for the MLM
scheme BUT one of the spoofed addresses given on my webpage has now been
spam botted!!! thus just got the same spam TO the spoofed address!!!

Fortunately it was sat in the 3000+ list of ignored/blocked  spams I 
occasionally
read through...

TIP: never give your email address "unmunged" on any web resource that
can be "botted"... spam botted that is!

FB  


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 00:48:38 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:48:38 +0000
Subject: [thelist] HTML mail pitfalls when viewed in plain text and "bloopers"
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114054459.023ac568@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114040636.023d5628@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <08f001c3aa6e$f035fba0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
 <6.0.0.22.0.20031114054459.023ac568@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031114063815.02457b90@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

Just been spammed TWICE by

"Brett Rhodes-Neal" <neal at databeam.biz>
[]
  Date:
[]

[]
 2003-11-13 22:37:39.0
[]

[]
  To:
[]

[]
 individual at artworkz.biz
[]

[]
  Subject:
[]

[]
 Christmas Gifts: Give Award Winning ArtWork

However when you read the HTML message (vomit coloured green background) in 
plain text
you see,,,, (in green)

Green is a good plan.
<http://www.brettfineart.com/>
[]

that's right

ok <http://www.marketnexus.com/aiop.html>
[]


sounds good, Pamela

....... embedded in the message!!!

reminds me of an image on a local authority website extolling the
virtues of one councillor for his relationship with the elderly..
a photo of him and some elderly gent was "up" on the site
.... and the jpeg name...

kenwithfogey.jpg !!!! NB: fogey is a UK term for an old gibber ;)

Careful out there when you go live!!!!

FB 

From thelist at meidomus.com  Fri Nov 14 05:41:01 2003
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:41:01 +0300
Subject: [thelist] EMail format question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F66CgxdvzhTLSm00041bef@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY9-F66CgxdvzhTLSm00041bef@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FB4BF4D.9010605@meidomus.com>

Ken Moore wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I know that there is simple solution to this one.
> 
> On a form, using PHP to send an email that includes a comment area, I 
> type in:
> "It's me again."
> 
> And in the resulting email, I get this:
> "It\'s me again."
> 
> What to do?

The reason its doing that is because you have magic_quotes turned on 
(which automatically escapes incoming data). You can turn that off, or 
use stripslashes().


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-----------------------
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  it is very, very good; and when it is bad,
  it is better than nothing."


From thelist at meidomus.com  Fri Nov 14 05:40:57 2003
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:40:57 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Database Schema Suggestions
Message-ID: <3FB4BF49.2010506@meidomus.com>

Greetings All :

   I'm having a bit of a problem trying to sort out how to store 
information in a database that does not have a defined size. An item 
that can have /n/ amount of properties/attributes for example.

   What I'm trying to do is create an automatic form generation system 
for an event scheduling application. The administrator will create an 
event, and if that event requires registration, they would then create a 
registration form. The problem I'm having is how to structure the 
database so that I can store the form data ... specifically, any number 
of fields that the admin might want. It would be moot to limit the form 
to /x/ amount of fields.

   Thinking about it for a bit, I came up with one idea -- but every 
time I look at it, I find something else wrong with it (or situtations 
where it wouldn't work) and I'm hoping that some experienced database 
wizards can lend some advice.

   My idea was to create a table with all the possible fields that are 
allowed in a HTML form (text, checkbox, radiobutton, etc.) and give them 
each a unique id (in effect, a lookup table).  This would take care of 
storing the form element types.  Then I was going to have a field in the 
table that stores the form data (called elements) that would contain a 
comma-separated list from the lookup table. Something like this :

[ Lookup table ]
*----*----------*
| id | type     |
*----*----------*
| 1  | checkbox |
| 2  | text     |
| 3  | radio    |
*---------------*

[ Form table ]
*------------*
| elements   |
*------------*
| 2,1,3,1,2  |
*------------*

   However, I am also going to have a facility where the admin can 
choose fields that are mandatory and some basic checks (email, name, 
zipcode, etc.) but I don't know how I would store that information per 
field .. or where I would store it.  I thought about creating another 
table with possible validation types, and then doing the same comma-list 
in the form table for validation (which would be in the same order as 
the fields) but I have a feeling that there is a better way to do this.

   I thought about scraping the entire database approach and just 
creating text files with information for each form, and then storing a 
reference to that text file in the database, but I'm looking forward to 
any suggestions or ideas that you might have regarding this. Anyone have 
to deal with this before?  If such things matter, the target database is 
mysql.

Thanks,
-- 
Burhan Khalid
thelist[at]meidomus[dot]com
http://www.meidomus.com
-----------------------
"Documentation is like sex: when it is good,
  it is very, very good; and when it is bad,
  it is better than nothing."


From kverens at contactjuggling.org  Fri Nov 14 05:55:19 2003
From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:55:19 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Database Schema Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <3FB4BF49.2010506@meidomus.com>
References: <3FB4BF49.2010506@meidomus.com>
Message-ID: <3FB4C2A7.2040808@contactjuggling.org>

Burhan Khalid wrote:
>   However, I am also going to have a facility where the admin can choose 
> fields that are mandatory and some basic checks (email, name, zipcode, 
> etc.) but I don't know how I would store that information per field .. 
> or where I would store it.  I thought about creating another table with 
> possible validation types, and then doing the same comma-list in the 
> form table for validation (which would be in the same order as the 
> fields) but I have a feeling that there is a better way to do this.

what you need is three tables. one to describe the form generally (name, 
id), one to describe each field, and the last to hold the actual data.

For example:

t_form(
  id int auto_increment primary key,
  name text
)

t_form_fields(
  id int auto_increment primary key,
  formId int,
  name text,
  type int,
  mandatory tinyint default 0
)

t_form_data(
  formId int,
  formFieldsId int,
  contents text
)

that should take care of most forms.

Kae


From guy at holler.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 07:01:05 2003
From: guy at holler.co.uk (Guy Bowden)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:01:05 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Eolas update...looking good for us!
In-Reply-To: <91.359a3002.2ce3954e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <028b01c3aaaf$6080fa50$0c00a8c0@HollerNet.local>

Hi,

Quick WDDX question..

I'm using a third party flash WDDX serializer and deserializer tool (from
figleaf) - The way it tries to convert accents on french letters is by using
html char codes like this :

&#xe8; = "?",
&#xe9; = "?",
&#xea; = "?",
&#xeb; = "?",


I'm having trouble getting PHP to output these codes - at the moment if I
use the htmlentities function I get codes like this :

&eacute;
and 
&agrave;

Anyone know how I can get PHP to output char codes like the first set?

Cheers

Guy





From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 14 07:11:16 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:11:16 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Database Schema Suggestions
Message-ID: <BAY9-F67EcvJY4WocwA00004230@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

Burhan wrote:


>The problem I'm having is how to structure the database so that I can store 
>the form data ... specifically, any number of fields that the admin might 
>want. It would be moot to limit the form to /x/ amount of fields.

Consider this.

Form_Table has the attributes of the table, the event, owner, and anything 
else that is common to all forms.

Item_table has a field (something like "Main_Form") to tie it to the form. 
The rest of the fields have the item properties such as item name, data, 
datatype, required, etc. The negative is that your code will need to do all 
of the processing, error handling - and probably you will need to convet all 
data to and from string type in the data field to store it. The advantage is 
that you have absoute control and flexibility.

Ken

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From guy at holler.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 07:21:45 2003
From: guy at holler.co.uk (Guy Bowden)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:21:45 -0000
Subject: [thelist] French accents
In-Reply-To: <028b01c3aaaf$6080fa50$0c00a8c0@HollerNet.local>
Message-ID: <02a001c3aab2$439d0390$0c00a8c0@HollerNet.local>

Sorry - forgot to change the subject line..

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Guy Bowden
Sent: 14 November 2003 13:01
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] Eolas update...looking good for us!


Hi,

Quick WDDX question..

I'm using a third party flash WDDX serializer and deserializer tool (from
figleaf) - The way it tries to convert accents on french letters is by using
html char codes like this :

&#xe8; = "?",
&#xe9; = "?",
&#xea; = "?",
&#xeb; = "?",


I'm having trouble getting PHP to output these codes - at the moment if I
use the htmlentities function I get codes like this :

&eacute;
and 
&agrave;

Anyone know how I can get PHP to output char codes like the first set?

Cheers

Guy




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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 07:43:10 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:43:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SV: [thelist] JavaScript: How to save/return state on group of
	objects
In-Reply-To: <023a01c3aa3b$af367540$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>
Message-ID: <20031114134310.61931.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Marcus Andersson <marcan at home.se> wrote:
> Well, arrays can be quite handy.
> 
> >I can almost see Marcus now typing up an OO answer...;)
> 
> I could, if you want...
> But, even if you create an OO solution to this there will in the
> end (hidden somewhere in the OO stuff) be an array :). And I also 
> guess that OO shouldn't be used everywhere. Your script is pretty 
> small and simple and I think it would make it a little bit more 
> complex if you make it OO (not very much though). But, if you're 
> going to use it all over the place I would definitely make it a 
> class somehow.

Great, and I was semi-saying that tongue in cheek anyway. I hate how
email distills all my good humour. Oh well. This is pretty much a one
shot deal at the moment so simple is good.

> >http://www.pixelmech.com/review/newWorkerTable.html
> 
> Hmmm... It doesn't work. Everything gets green. A change on row 84
> to: oCells[i].style.backgroundColor = ""; made it work

Gah! I can't believe it was that simple and I didn't know that! Yes,
the problem indeed was that everything was green - thus my post ;) -,
because nothing was changing back, but that line works perfectly.

> Yeay, I know it's kind of ugly and not completely DOMish to "reset"
> an attribute like that, but all (not many at all according to PPK 
> and his quirksmode) browsers doesn't support removal of attributes.

> And it works ;)

Ugly - don't care. Not DOMish, don't care. Works - that I care about!
If there were a *reliable* DOM way to do it I'd be all for it but I'm
not going to shed any tears over it!

Thanks!

Tom

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From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 07:54:31 2003
From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:54:31 -0000
Subject: [thelist] adserve windowenacer
Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCIEMHHJAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>



how can I get rid of 'adserve windowenacer' when a 404 error occurs?  

I am presuming that this has come with freeserve?

I also presume I have to do something with the registry?

Cheers
Andrew

From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 10:45:05 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:45:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript: trim function?
In-Reply-To: <3FB1920B.90002@webtuitive.com>
Message-ID: <20031114164505.61123.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Hassan Schroeder <hassan at webtuitive.com> wrote:
> > Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> > I have a number like this: 4234.343899238
> > I want to trim that to just 4234.34. Anyone have a handy function
> > for this before I re-create the wheel?
> 
> Math.round() is a built-in JavaScript function ...

Which gives me 4234...i need the two decimal places...

Tom

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From damiencola at wanadoo.fr  Fri Nov 14 11:05:08 2003
From: damiencola at wanadoo.fr (Damien COLA)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:05:08 +0100
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript: trim function?
In-Reply-To: <20031114164505.61123.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3aad1$753bb580$0100a8c0@ELECTRA>

x = 4234.343899238;
y = Math.round(x*100) / 100.0;

print y 
> 4234.34

I know this is re-inventing the wheel, but I don't know Javascript
enough.

-----Original Message-----
> Math.round() is a built-in JavaScript function ...

Which gives me 4234...i need the two decimal places...


From kilimajer at webglobe.sk  Fri Nov 14 11:10:01 2003
From: kilimajer at webglobe.sk (Marek Kilimajer)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:10:01 +0100
Subject: [thelist] French accents
In-Reply-To: <02a001c3aab2$439d0390$0c00a8c0@HollerNet.local>
References: <02a001c3aab2$439d0390$0c00a8c0@HollerNet.local>
Message-ID: <3FB50C69.7080906@webglobe.sk>

Guy Bowden wrote:

> Sorry - forgot to change the subject line..

Not only that you did not change the subject line but you also hijacked 
thread. That thread is now 2 days old and is well at the bottom of 
everyones mailbox. You should always start a new thread by clicking on 
"Create a new message" in your email client.


From hassan at webtuitive.com  Fri Nov 14 11:12:53 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:12:53 -0800
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript: trim function?
In-Reply-To: <20031114164505.61123.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031114164505.61123.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FB50D15.5060509@webtuitive.com>

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

>>>I have a number like this: 4234.343899238
>>>I want to trim that to just 4234.34. Anyone have a handy function
>>>for this before I re-create the wheel?
>>
>>Math.round() is a built-in JavaScript function ...
> 
> 
> Which gives me 4234...i need the two decimal places...

Right, it rounds to an integer value, so

	myVar = 4234.343899238;
	myPrecision = 2;
	myFactor =  Math.pow(10, myPrecision);
	myRoundedVar =  Math.round(myVar * myFactor) / myFactor;

HTH!
-- 
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                           dream.  code.




From marcan at home.se  Fri Nov 14 11:19:20 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:19:20 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] JavaScript: trim function?
In-Reply-To: <20031114164505.61123.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <025c01c3aad3$71571660$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>

  

> 
> Which gives me 4234...i need the two decimal places...
>

How about: 
 
  function trimNumber(number, digits) {
    return Math.round(number * Math.pow(10, digits)) / ((Math.pow(10,
digits) * 1.0));        
  }

/Marcus


From cmethod at iupui.edu  Fri Nov 14 11:23:18 2003
From: cmethod at iupui.edu (Method, Colleen M)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:23:18 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Tip Owed - On Fonts
Message-ID: <E8BA21FE4FCA024F822B19714595A6AB049174@iu-mssg-mbx03.exchange.iu.edu>

Hi
 
I owe a tip from a while back and a bonus tip.
 
Tip Owed:  When choosing a font for a webpage remember the target
audience.  (Kids may want cute fonts and some Senior Citizens may
require larger font sizes.)
 
Bonus Tip: For personality on a page - use one font for any header on it
and a basic font for the text body.  This will change the contrast on
the page and may make the sections of the text standout better to people
reading it.
 
Colleen Method

From scforum at iness.com  Fri Nov 14 12:04:32 2003
From: scforum at iness.com (Sam Carter)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:04:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Program control of FORM submission
Message-ID: <005c01c3aad9$c4a7eaf0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>

I've been asked to research how a software program could read an HTTP form,
fill in the input fields and submit.
 
Anyone have a URL that describes the process?
 
Sam

From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Fri Nov 14 12:02:09 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:02:09 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Program control of FORM submission
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51BE@smtmb.tmc.local>

I've been asked to research how a software program could read an HTTP form,
fill in the input fields and submit.
 

Are you talking about a parser right? (Code that reads
"name1=value&name2=value&name3=value")

From hassan at webtuitive.com  Fri Nov 14 12:22:51 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:22:51 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Program control of FORM submission
In-Reply-To: <005c01c3aad9$c4a7eaf0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
References: <005c01c3aad9$c4a7eaf0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
Message-ID: <3FB51D7B.7080209@webtuitive.com>

Sam Carter wrote:

> I've been asked to research how a software program could read an HTTP form,
> fill in the input fields and submit.

Uh, wha'?  Are you wanting AI -- "hmmm, label says first name, OK,
'Hal', last name, must be surname, OK, '9000', mmm, SSAN?, sorry,
Dave, can't do that, mmm, address, mmm..."?

Do you want a program to read any arbitrary form and insert some
gibberish in every text field and check all the boxes?

Or is the author of the form intended to know what fields are in
the form, and what the responses should be?  :-)

A little more detail, pleez...
-- 
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Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

                           dream.  code.




From simon.perry at si-designs.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 13:22:25 2003
From: simon.perry at si-designs.co.uk (Simon Perry)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:22:25 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Program control of FORM submission
In-Reply-To: <005c01c3aad9$c4a7eaf0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
References: <005c01c3aad9$c4a7eaf0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
Message-ID: <3FB52B71.8050106@si-designs.co.uk>

Sam Carter wrote:

>I've been asked to research how a software program could read an HTTP form,
>fill in the input fields and submit.
> 
>Anyone have a URL that describes the process?
> 
>Sam
>  
>
You can do this easily in Perl using LWP, a short tutorial can be found 
here [1]. Depending on the complexity of the form you may also need to 
use HTML::Form [2]. 

Simon

[1] http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/08/20/perlandlwp.html?page=2
[2] http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6/lib/HTML/Form.html



From scforum at iness.com  Fri Nov 14 13:25:47 2003
From: scforum at iness.com (Sam Carter)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:25:47 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Program control of FORM submission
In-Reply-To: <3FB51D7B.7080209@webtuitive.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3aae5$1e7124b0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>

This is a single web-page form that has a few of known fields.  I understand
the requirement is to use the form as a soft interface for a program to
enter data.  

I'm in the dark about how a program would emulate a browser and "SUBMIT" a
form after reading the HTTP and filling in the INPUT fields.

Sam



From phillipmvector at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 11:28:45 2003
From: phillipmvector at comcast.net (phillipmvector at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:28:45 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: Passing Text from a Select to a function
Message-ID: <111420031728.20697.5338@comcast.net>

What I'm trying to do is to pass the selection made on the form to a function. 
When the alert comes up, it says "[Object]". 

How do I have the selection made on the Listbox pass to the Function?

=====
function CheckClan(Clan)
{
alert(Clan);
}


<select name="Clan" onchange="CheckClan(this);">
   <option selected>Please Select</option>
   <option>McCloud</option>
</select>

From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Fri Nov 14 13:31:00 2003
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:31:00 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Program control of FORM submission
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B01AFAAFC@nemesis.niicommunications.com>

[snip]
I've been asked to research how a software program could read an HTTP
form,
fill in the input fields and submit.
 
Anyone have a URL that describes the process?
[/snip]

cURL - http://curl.haxx.se/

From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 13:42:14 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:42:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Javascript: Passing Text from a Select to a function
In-Reply-To: <111420031728.20697.5338@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20031114194214.93931.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>

--- phillipmvector at comcast.net wrote:
> What I'm trying to do is to pass the selection made on the form to
> a function. When the alert comes up, it says "[Object]". 
> 
> How do I have the selection made on the Listbox pass to the
> Function?
> 
> =====
> function CheckClan(Clan)
> {
> alert(Clan);
> }
> 
> <select name="Clan" onchange="CheckClan(this);">
>    <option selected>Please Select</option>
>    <option>McCloud</option>
> </select>

Philip, it says OBJECT because that is exactly what you are passing
the function - the SELECT object. You need to step into the OPTIONS
array, then send the selectedIndex (the item selected) as the index
item. Further you need to add a VALUE attribute to the OPTION so it
gets sent:

<select name="Clan"
onchange="CheckClan(this.options[selectedIndex].value);">
   <option selected>Please Select</option>
   <option value="McCloud">McCloud</option>
</select>

That should work for you.

HTH

Tom


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From thelist at meidomus.com  Fri Nov 14 14:26:24 2003
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:26:24 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Database Schema Suggestions [Repost?]
Message-ID: <3FB53A70.1080003@meidomus.com>

/Didn't see the first one in my inbox, so I'm resending it. Hopefully 
this doesn't show up twice/

Greetings All :

   I'm having a bit of a problem trying to sort out how to store 
information in a database that does not have a defined size. An item 
that can have /n/ amount of properties/attributes for example.

   What I'm trying to do is create an automatic form generation system 
for an event scheduling application. The administrator will create an 
event, and if that event requires registration, they would then create a 
registration form. The problem I'm having is how to structure the 
database so that I can store the form data ... specifically, any number 
of fields that the admin might want. It would be moot to limit the form 
to /x/ amount of fields.

   Thinking about it for a bit, I came up with one idea -- but every 
time I look at it, I find something else wrong with it (or situtations 
where it wouldn't work) and I'm hoping that some experienced database 
wizards can lend some advice.

   My idea was to create a table with all the possible fields that are 
allowed in a HTML form (text, checkbox, radiobutton, etc.) and give them 
each a unique id (in effect, a lookup table).  This would take care of 
storing the form element types.  Then I was going to have a field in the 
table that stores the form data (called elements) that would contain a 
comma-separated list from the lookup table. Something like this :

[ Lookup table ]
*----*----------*
| id | type     |
*----*----------*
| 1  | checkbox |
| 2  | text     |
| 3  | radio    |
*---------------*

[ Form table ]
*------------*
| elements   |
*------------*
| 2,1,3,1,2  |
*------------*

   However, I am also going to have a facility where the admin can 
choose fields that are mandatory and some basic checks (email, name, 
zipcode, etc.) but I don't know how I would store that information per 
field .. or where I would store it.  I thought about creating another 
table with possible validation types, and then doing the same comma-list 
in the form table for validation (which would be in the same order as 
the fields) but I have a feeling that there is a better way to do this.

   I thought about scraping the entire database approach and just 
creating text files with information for each form, and then storing a 
reference to that text file in the database, but I'm looking forward to 
any suggestions or ideas that you might have regarding this. Anyone have 
to deal with this before?  If such things matter, the target database is 
mysql.

Thanks,
-- 
Burhan Khalid
thelist[at]meidomus[dot]com
http://www.meidomus.com
-----------------------
"Documentation is like sex: when it is good,
  it is very, very good; and when it is bad,
  it is better than nothing."



From Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com  Fri Nov 14 14:29:50 2003
From: Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com (Tab Alleman)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:29:50 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JS:  onSubmit function seems to reset Select input?
Message-ID: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C97060859@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>

On this page:

http://click.contextmanager.com/test/DCRTest.html

When I go to the first table row, and change the "Change status to:"
select to "Confirmed", and then click Submit, suddenly the select gets
reset to "Deleted".  This didn't happen before I added an onSubmit
handler to the <form> tag.. Is this expected behavior?  Any way around
it?  It only has to work in IE (intranet project).

TIA 
Tab

From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 13:55:50 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:55:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SV: [thelist] JavaScript: trim function? [solved]
In-Reply-To: <025c01c3aad3$71571660$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>
Message-ID: <20031114195550.92028.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Marcus Andersson <marcan at home.se> wrote:
> How about: 
>  
>   function trimNumber(number, digits) {
>     return Math.round(number * Math.pow(10, digits)) /
> ((Math.pow(10,
> digits) * 1.0));        
>   }

This is perfect actually, since I need to do this on a few numbers
not just one. (Not that I have a clue how it works..never was a math
guy.) Thanks Marcus and the thanks to others for the other
suggestions as well.

Tom

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From John.Brooking at sappi.com  Fri Nov 14 15:03:12 2003
From: John.Brooking at sappi.com (John.Brooking at sappi.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:03:12 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Login Screen Security
Message-ID: <471E425A0BB6D211972C00105AC954240556C40E@soportland.na.sappi.com>

Josh said:
 >I've been withholding, you're right... but now that you're thinking about
 >all the angles I'll give you a possible solution to the whole thing:

 > ... (brilliant solution outlined) ...

 >All in all, this would work, but man is it a complex solution! I'd
 >suggest you use SSL until something better comes out. :-)

Josh,

  A public thank-you for your suggestion, in addition to the private one I
sent this morning. I said I had a few variations in mind, but I think I've
convinced myself that they don't buy me anything, so forget about that.

  The programmer in me of course wants to implement your solution just
because it's cool, but I want to make sure that that's not the only reason
I'm doing it. The better justification, IMHO, is that my software is not
handling financial information, credit card numbers, or anything else
dealing with personal privacy, so requiring SSL only to have a secure login
screen seems like overkill. Furthermore, I'm targeting my software to very
small non-profits and businesses who in all likelihood are buying space on
an ISP instead of running their own servers. While the businesses may
already have an SSL solution for their sales, the non-profits probably
don't, and I don't want that additional requirement for just a login screen.

  I guess I don't have any other questions, unless you have any more
comments on what I should do. Thanks again for taking the time to address my
question. (And also for the SSL tip I just now noticed that you posted.) I
hope you don't mind my referencing your solution in my own tip below. 

  NOTE TO LIST: In the introduction to my tip previously in the week, I did
not mean to whine. I only meant to imply that I was tempted to, but was
resisting the temptation (except for the first sentence), and was trying to
get attention (yes, I'll admit it) constructively instead.

<tip type="crypt, htpasswd, and security" author="John Brooking">

According to [1], the Apache htpasswd utility uses the Unix/C/Perl crypt or
crypt(3) function ("man crypt" or "perldoc -f crypt") to encrypt its
passwords on the server. However, you should be aware that the password
which the user types into the browser client dialog is sent in plain text to
the server, making it susceptible to packet sniffing.

It is possible to work out a rather complex solution which doesn't involve
sending a plain text password. This requires using crypt on both the client
and server side of a home-grown login screen. See [2] for an example; a
client-side JavaScript implementation is available at [3]. But implementing
your login screen in SSL may be simpler, and is more standard.

[1] http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/auth.html
[2] http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20031110/151399.html
[3] http://javascript.internet.com/passwords/unix-crypt(3)-encryption.html

</tip>

Have a good week-end, everyone!

- John
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From hassan at webtuitive.com  Fri Nov 14 15:08:33 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:08:33 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Program control of FORM submission
In-Reply-To: <000001c3aae5$1e7124b0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
References: <000001c3aae5$1e7124b0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
Message-ID: <3FB54451.20000@webtuitive.com>

Sam Carter wrote:

> This is a single web-page form that has a few of known fields.  I understand
> the requirement is to use the form as a soft interface for a program to
> enter data.  

Then it's not about the program "reading" the form -- it's just
going to submit the appropriate name-value pairs to the program
that's the form target ("action").

What language is it going to be implemented in?

-- 
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

                           dream.  code.




From sabaffy at mswebdevelopment.com  Fri Nov 14 15:15:23 2003
From: sabaffy at mswebdevelopment.com (Steve Abaffy)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:15:23 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Outlook and HTML emails
Message-ID: <ECEOJNOEBBFGGFHOGEOMAEMNMNAA.sabaffy@mswebdevelopment.com>

Hello,

I have a question does outlook keep a cache? I am writing an HTML email for
a client and when I send them a new version all they see is the old version,
while when I send it to myself I see the new version. So I am thinking that
there is some kind of caching problem. If so how does one clear the cache on
the clients machine???

Thanks.



From thelist at meidomus.com  Fri Nov 14 15:23:19 2003
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:23:19 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Program control of FORM submission
In-Reply-To: <005c01c3aad9$c4a7eaf0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
References: <005c01c3aad9$c4a7eaf0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
Message-ID: <3FB547C7.408@meidomus.com>

Sam Carter wrote:

> I've been asked to research how a software program could read an HTTP form,
> fill in the input fields and submit.
>  
> Anyone have a URL that describes the process?

Not a URL, but Snoopy [1] does this. Its a browser emulator class 
written in PHP that I am a big fan of. Also, there are a few packages in 
PEAR [2] that deal with HTTP.

Hope this helps

-- 
Burhan Khalid
thelist[at]meidomus[dot]com
http://www.meidomus.com

[1] http://snoopy.sourceforge.net
[2] http://pear.php.net/packages.php?catpid=11&catname=HTTP

-----------------------
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  it is very, very good; and when it is bad,
  it is better than nothing."



From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 15:33:01 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:33:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] DOM node question
Message-ID: <20031114213301.26229.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I have a table row with 3 cells. I have a function that has just
received a reference to one of the cells as a parameter.

I want to know the index number of that cell in that row. For example
if the middle row below is the cell we are talking about:

+---+---+---+
|   | x |   |
+---+---+---+

Then I want to know that the index is 1. I know I can get a reference
to the row like so:

theTableRow = objectCell.parentNode;

But I can't seem to get past that. I'm not sure I even need to do
that...

Tom

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 15:48:02 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:48:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Re: [wdf-dom] DOM node question [solved..but..]
In-Reply-To: <20031114213301.26229.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031114214802.31130.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Tom Dell'Aringa <pixelmech at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a table row with 3 cells. I have a function that has just
> received a reference to one of the cells as a parameter.
> 
> I want to know the index number of that cell in that row...

Bah, got it right after the post, figures. Anyway, I now have a
working example that I would like some comments on how to improve.

The thing is a table which is a schedule. We wanted the manager to be
able to mouseover the schedule and have the row AND column highlight
at the cell. Kind of like a target almost. I have it working in IE6
and NS7, some more testing and a code review would be great, and any
other comments (other than color, its a tad ugly right now). 

The page is at:
http://www.pixelmech.com/review/newWorkerTable.html

Thanks!

Tom

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From jmuniz at granicus.com  Fri Nov 14 15:56:03 2003
From: jmuniz at granicus.com (Javier Muniz)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:56:03 -0800
Subject: [thelist]  Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website Usi
	ng a Comp (prior to payment)
Message-ID: <8CAA2F1AC7B96C43974814DD3D95EF982EF7D6@sfomail-01.granicusnt.granicus.com>

Step 1.  Hire a lawyer.
Step 2.  Follow your lawyer's advice.

Obviously the best thing you can do is work it out with them, since once you
involve a lawyer the other side tends to involve a lawyer and both lawyers
work together at wasting both of your money for as long as possible.  The
first step is to serve them a cease & desist letter to inform them that they
are in violation of copyright law and must remove the copyrighted works from
their website, then if they refuse you can usually sue them.  At least,
that's how it works in the American system, not sure about Canada.

I've found the least expensive way to work with a lawyer is to do the actual
work then have the lawyer edit it.  In other words, find a good c&d letter
on the internet, edit it as necessary, then hire a lawyer to make sure that
it conforms with the laws of your country/province.  After that, send the
letter.  Usually once a C&D is served, especially if it holds merit, the
violator will remove the offending material.  If they do not it's fairly
easy to a court order to have them remove the material until the case is
decided by a court.  

Not sure how the small claims system works in the Canada, but in the U.S. if
the amount owed is less than $2,000 you can file in small claims court,
represent yourself, and pay just $80 to have your case heard.

-Javier

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and this should not be taken as legal advice.
I am simply relaying my views and past experiences.  If you are involved in
any sort of litigation at all, hire a lawyer or pay the consequences.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim [mailto:tim at pinkcandyproductions.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:10 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Copyright Infringement - Client Posted 
> Website Using a Comp (prior to payment)
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> Can anyone provide advice regarding recourse in a copyright 
> infringement case (in Canada).
> 
> A client of mine used my comp of their proposed website to 
> create and upload their new home page. I had my company's 
> copyright notice as the page footer and they changed it to 
> the name of their company.
> 
> I made it very clear that they would receive the project 
> files once I had received the final payment. I have not yet 
> received payment. I have asked them to remove the page until 
> I have been paid and they have refused.
> 
> What are my options?
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Tim
> -- 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * * 
http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester 
and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org 
Workers of the Web, evolt ! 

From manuel at simplelogica.net  Fri Nov 14 15:59:49 2003
From: manuel at simplelogica.net (Manuel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez?= Noriega)
Date: 14 Nov 2003 22:59:49 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Program control of FORM submission
In-Reply-To: <005c01c3aad9$c4a7eaf0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
References: <005c01c3aad9$c4a7eaf0$6401a8c0@SamVAIO600P>
Message-ID: <1068847191.3258.19.camel@nofx>

El vie, 14-11-2003 a las 19:04, Sam Carter escribi?:
> I've been asked to research how a software program could read an HTTP form,
> fill in the input fields and submit.
>  
> Anyone have a URL that describes the process?
>  
>

If PHP is an option, Simon Willison's HTTPClient class will do just that

http://scripts.incutio.com/httpclient/

-- 
Manuel Gonz?lez Noriega
Simplel?gica, construcci?n web @ http://simplelogica.net
Logicola es el weblog de Simplel?gica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/


From spambait at onpointsolutions.com  Fri Nov 14 16:52:42 2003
From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:52:42 -0800
Subject: [thelist]  Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website Using a
	Comp (prior to payment)
References: <8CAA2F1AC7B96C43974814DD3D95EF982EF7D6@sfomail-01.granicusnt.granicus.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3ab02$0410f3d0$0100a8c0@monkey>

Javier Muniz wrote:
> Step 1.  Hire a lawyer.
> Step 2.  Follow your lawyer's advice.

I think that about covers it. At the risk of straying too far afield
though, I think Tim's better/easier claim to make against the client
is a demand for final payment per the contract. He did the work, they
took it, they need to pay for it. After that, if I understand Tim
correctly, the client would be entitled to own the work, so the
copyright issue then becomes moot.

IOW, why spend more time and money [1] chasing a copyright
infringement claim when a garden variety breach of contract (unpaid
account) claim is simpler to make and, in the end, gives Tim what he's
entitled to under the parties' original contract. A copyright claim,
by contrast, requires more elaborate proof and calculation of harm.

This of course assumes Tim has a decent contract claim (ie, there was
clear agreement re what the client was entitled to and when). In any
event, though, a demand letter should of course address both claims.

> once you involve a lawyer the other side tends to involve a lawyer
> and both lawyers work together at wasting both of your money

Not necessarily. That typically happens only when there are are high
stakes (read $) involved. For a small matter like this, it's not
uncommon for the other side to fold b/c they don't want to pay their
lawyer what they otherwise could be paying the designer to settle the
matter.

Which brings us full circle:

> Step 1.  Hire a lawyer.
> Step 2.  Follow your lawyer's advice.

[I know, I owe a tip].

---

[1] In the US obtaining a preliminary injunction like Javier suggests
is not an easy or inexpensive proposition and often requires the
plaintiff to post a bond as security.

-------------
Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
www.OnPointSolutions.com




From ron.luther at hp.com  Fri Nov 14 16:55:36 2003
From: ron.luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:55:36 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Database Schema Suggestions
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0606F1DDCF@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Burhan Khalid asked:

>>   I'm having a bit of a problem trying to sort out how to store 
>>information in a database that does not have a defined size. An item 
>>that can have /n/ amount of properties/attributes for example.

Hi Burhan,

Interesting problem.  I believe this usually comes up in cases where 
the attribute values (while perhaps variable by product) are fairly 
fixed in number and value. In that variation, I think this kind of 
thing comes up a lot in manufacturing (BOM) and commerce type apps. 
e.g.

Product Table:
SKU     DESCRIPTION
----    -------------
1352    HAT WITH EVOLT LOGO
1355    SHIRT WITH EVOLT LOGO

Attribute Name Lookup Table:
ATTRIBUTE_NO    ATTRIBUTE_NAME
------------    --------------
   1             COLOR
   2             SIZE
   3             SLEEVE LENGTH

Attribute Value Lookup Table:
ATTRIBUTE_NO    ATTRIBUTE_VALUE     DESCRIP
------------    ---------------     -------
   1                  1             WHITE   
   1                  2             BLACK
   2                 22             LARGE
   2                 23             LARGER
   3                 40             SHORT SLEEVE
   3                 41             LONG SLEEVE


So a customer orders a new classy evolt wardrobe. The order can be 
stored in an order table, (probably separate header and detail tables), 
and the detailed information necessary to fulfill the order can 
be stored in a separate (multi-row per order line) 'features' table. 
[The multi-rows are (I think) easier to work with than comma lists.]


>>   What I'm trying to do is create an automatic form generation system 
>>for an event scheduling application. The administrator will create an 
>>event, and if that event requires registration, they would then create a 
>>registration form. The problem I'm having is how to structure the 
>>database so that I can store the form data ... specifically, any number 
>>of fields that the admin might want. It would be moot to limit the form 
>>to /x/ amount of fields.

Your case is a little different since the values table may be less likely 
to have fixed entries.

However, if you think of an event as a product, then I think the example still 
holds. If you're attribute values aren't "reuseable" from event to event you 
may have to add an event id to the attribute value table.

Event #17 --- "Burhan - Live in Concert!"

Attribute 1 - date
Attribute 2 - location
Attribute 3 - venue size (available number of tickets)
Attribute 4 - # of ticket price levels

Price level 1 -- $100
Price level 2 -- $250
Price level 3 -- $400


Sorry ... ran out of time to play with it.

Hope this helps some!


RonL.


From marcan at home.se  Fri Nov 14 17:30:25 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:30:25 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] JS:  onSubmit function seems to reset Select input?
In-Reply-To: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C97060859@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>
Message-ID: <025d01c3ab07$4841f9f0$0da8a8c0@marcusnb>

> When I go to the first table row, and change the "Change 
> status to:" select to "Confirmed", and then click Submit, 
> suddenly the select gets reset to "Deleted".  This didn't 
> happen before I added an onSubmit handler to the <form> tag.. 
> Is this expected behavior?  

Ehhh, no. It's not expected behaviour.

>Any way around it?  It only has to work in IE (intranet project).

The fix is very easy and it's all depending on a javascript bug. On line
43 in function TestDeletion you do an assignment (one =) in the if
statement instead of an equality check (two ==)

Change the line to

if (document.forms[f].WhatToDo.selectedIndex == 4)

and it should work as expected

/Marcus


From damiencola at wanadoo.fr  Fri Nov 14 20:15:09 2003
From: damiencola at wanadoo.fr (Damien COLA)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:15:09 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] JavaScript: trim function? [solved]
In-Reply-To: <20031114195550.92028.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c3ab1e$4cc25a80$0100a8c0@ELECTRA>

here's the description of the principle :
you have 24.3456
 you multiply it by 100 ( = 2434.56 )
  you ask for the integer with math.round() ( = 2434 )
   you divid the result by 100 again (make sure you divide by 100.0 that
is a FLOAT not an INTEGER, so the result will be a float) ( = 24.34 )

-----Original Message-----
>   function trimNumber(number, digits) {
>     return Math.round(number * Math.pow(10, digits)) / ((Math.pow(10,
> digits) * 1.0));        
>   }

This is perfect actually, since I need to do this on a few numbers not
just one. (Not that I have a clue how it works..never was a math
guy.)


From beau at hartshorne.ca  Sat Nov 15 00:41:32 2003
From: beau at hartshorne.ca (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:41:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] mySQL Query Trouble
Message-ID: <000201c3ab43$82ab0370$6501a8c0@hartshorne>

Hi all,

I have a table structure set up something like this:

employee
========
employee_id
name

pay_history
===========
pay_history_id
employee_id
amount
from_date
thru_date

timesheet
=========
timesheet_id
employee_id
work_date
hours

The pay_history defines an employee's salary. The thru_date is the only
field that can be null (in the case where the pay_history record is
still active). A new pay_history record is assigned whenever an employee
receives a raise, so one employee may have several pay_history records
associated with them. An employee also has many timesheet records
associated with them.

I am trying to write a query that finds any individual timesheet records
that have a work_date that falls outside of any pay_history record date
range. I have been able to write a query that finds timesheet records
that fall *within* all of the pay_history record date ranges, but not
the other way around. I am using mySQL 4.0.15, so have access only to
JOIN, UNION and TEMPORARY TABLEs.

Here is the query that will find timesheet records *within* the
pay_history record date ranges:

SELECT timesheet.work_date AS work_date,
timesheet.timesheet_id AS timesheet_id,
employee.employee_id AS employee_id,
employee.name AS name,
pay_history.from_date AS from_date,
pay_history.thru_date AS thru_date,
FROM pay_history
LEFT JOIN employee ON (pay_history.employee_id = employee.employee_id)
LEFT JOIN timesheet ON (employee.employee_id = timesheet.employee_id)
WHERE (pay_history.employee_id = 14) 
AND (timesheet.work_date >= '2003-01-01') 
AND (timesheet.work_date <= '2003-10-31') 
AND (timesheet.work_date >= pay_history.from_date)
AND (timesheet.work_date <= pay_history.thru_date 
	OR pay_history.thru_date IS NULL)

I think if I had access to sub selects, something that would work would
be:

SELECT * FROM timesheet WHERE NOT IN(
SELECT timesheet.work_date AS work_date,
timesheet.timesheet_id AS timesheet_id,
employee.employee_id AS employee_id,
employee.name AS name,
pay_history.from_date AS from_date,
pay_history.thru_date AS thru_date,
FROM pay_history
LEFT JOIN employee ON (pay_history.employee_id = employee.employee_id)
LEFT JOIN timesheet ON (employee.employee_id = timesheet.employee_id)
WHERE (pay_history.employee_id = 14) 
AND (timesheet.work_date >= '2003-01-01') 
AND (timesheet.work_date <= '2003-10-31') 
AND (timesheet.work_date >= pay_history.from_date)
AND (timesheet.work_date <= pay_history.thru_date 
	OR pay_history.thru_date IS NULL))

Any insight anyone might have into this would be great!!

Thanks,

Beau


From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 15 07:40:39 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:40:39 -0700
Subject: [thelist] mySQL Query Trouble
Message-ID: <BAY9-F27KfYDovvQ0Pu0001772e@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

Beau Hartshorne wrote:

>I am trying to write a query that finds any individual timesheet records
>that have a work_date that falls outside of any pay_history record date
>range.

This type of query can be much easier than it looks. Often the solution is 
to write the query that selects everything that you do not want - then 
negate it. Most of the time, selecting data is much easier than unselecting 
it.

Ken

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From liorean at f2o.org  Sat Nov 15 09:00:28 2003
From: liorean at f2o.org (liorean)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:00:28 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] JavaScript: trim function? [solved]
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3ab1e$4cc25a80$0100a8c0@ELECTRA>
References: <001a01c3ab1e$4cc25a80$0100a8c0@ELECTRA>
Message-ID: <3FB63F8C.3070209@f2o.org>

Damien COLA wrote:
> (make sure you divide by 100.0 that is a FLOAT not an INTEGER, so the result will be a float) ( = 24.34 )

This is not necessary in JavaScript, as all numbers are internally 
represented as floating point numbers.

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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 15 10:46:40 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:46:40 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Hotlinking htaccess problem to resolve
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031102144101.0241bc00@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <2204.69.28.224.53.1067303443.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>
 <6.0.0.22.0.20031102144101.0241bc00@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031115164236.0248dfb0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^[http|nttp].*$
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(www\.)?fatblokeracing.org/.*$ [NC]
RewriteRule \.(gif|jpg|jpeg|png)$ 
http://www.fatblokeracing.org/sharedimages/badimage.gif [R,L]

anyone know how to modify this to allow ONLY my server (the host) and.....

<anything>google<dot><any three letters max>

to view the image as well?

Sad that one lister told me what was wrong with
the original request:<google><dot><anything>

but was unable to provide the right answer :(

FB 


From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sat Nov 15 11:11:04 2003
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:11:04 +0000
Subject: [thelist] JS add remove list items
Message-ID: <3FB65E28.5090503@fstorr.demon.co.uk>

Hi all

I'm trying to replicate a very basic powerpoint type functionality in 
JavaScript.  The idea is to have subject headings as bullet points that 
will appear when a "next" button is pressed. The page will start with no 
bullets showing. When a "previous" button is pressed, the last bullet 
item is removed.

My JavaScript isn't by any means great, and I've got this far, but can't 
work out the rest.  At the moment it just takes off/adds back the top 
one.  I've also noticed an annoying bug in Moz1.5 where the bullet point 
isn;t replaced when the fist bullet point is put back in. Any help would 
be appreciated:

<ul>
<li>one</li>
<li>two</li>
<li>three</li>
<li>four</li>
</ul>
<p onclick="return bullet('add');">change +</p>
<p onclick="return bullet('remove');">change -</p>

function bullet(action)

{
var counter = document.getElementsByTagName("li");
for (i=0; i < counter.length; i++)
{
  if (action == "add")
   {
     counter[i].style.display="block";
     alert(counter[i].value);
     return;
   }
else
   {
     counter[i].style.display="none";
     alert(counter[i].value);
     return;
   }
}

}



From marcan at home.se  Sat Nov 15 11:46:24 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:46:24 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] JS add remove list items
In-Reply-To: <3FB65E28.5090503@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000001c3aba0$63beedc0$0400a8c0@marcusnb>

I would do something like the following (explanations in comments). Hope
it helps.

/Marcus

/*
* This functions finds out the last bullet that is visible
*/
function getLastVisible(bullets) {
  for(var i = 0 ; i < bullets.length ; i++) {
    if(bullets[i].style.display == "none") {          
      return i - 1;
    }
  }
  // all is visible
  return bullets.length - 1;
}

/*
* Shows or hides bullets in the list depending on the action
*/
function bullet(action) {
  // get all bullets
  var bullets = document.getElementsByTagName("li"); 
  // get the index of the last visible bullet
  var lastVisible = getLastVisible(bullets);
  if (action == "add") {
    // Check to see that all bullets aren't visible
    if((lastVisible + 1) < bullets.length) {
      // Set display on the first non visible bullet.
      // That is the same as the last visible + 1
      bullets[lastVisible + 1].style.display="block";           
      return;
    }
  }
  else {
    // Check to see that all bullets aren't hidden
    if(lastVisible >= 0) {
      // Hide the last visible bullet
      bullets[lastVisible].style.display="none";           
      return;
    }
  }
}


From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sat Nov 15 11:56:13 2003
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:56:13 +0000
Subject: SV: [thelist] JS add remove list items
In-Reply-To: <000001c3aba0$63beedc0$0400a8c0@marcusnb>
References: <000001c3aba0$63beedc0$0400a8c0@marcusnb>
Message-ID: <3FB668BD.9070201@fstorr.demon.co.uk>

Marcus Andersson wrote:

> I would do something like the following (explanations in comments). Hope
> it helps.

+++

Hi Marcus

That's exactly what I was after, thanks.

F




From rick.good at shiesl.com  Sat Nov 15 12:18:42 2003
From: rick.good at shiesl.com (Rick at Shiesl)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:18:42 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Simply (?) ASP question
Message-ID: <BBDC2C92.1C60F%rick.good@shiesl.com>

Folk -

I am trying to send a form to PayPal, but need to use ASP variables within
the form. Presently I have:

        <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="get">
            <input type="hidden" name="cmd" value="_xclick">
            <input type="hidden" name="business" value="???.coM">
            <input type="hidden" name="return" value="http://???.com/">
            <input type="hidden" name="item_name" value= <% strMember %> >
            <input type="hidden" name="item_number" value= <% strMember %> >
            <input type="hidden" name="amount" value= <% strMember_Amt %> >

            <input type="hidden" name="currency_code" value="USD">

The problem is that the "<% strMember %>" and "<% strMember_Amt %>" syntax
is wrong. Does anyone know how to include an ASP variable here. Thanks
greatly. Rick

-- 
"If you tell me I'm sensible in addition to normal and wise, I'm going to
punch you in the stomach. I'm as screwed up as the next person, and I like
it that way." Imitation in Death, Page 257 by Nora Roberts writing as J. D.
Robb


From asegu at borg.darktech.org  Sat Nov 15 12:42:12 2003
From: asegu at borg.darktech.org (Andrew Seguin)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:42:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] Simply (?) ASP question
In-Reply-To: <BBDC2C92.1C60F%rick.good@shiesl.com>
References: <BBDC2C92.1C60F%rick.good@shiesl.com>
Message-ID: <4822.137.122.89.222.1068921732.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>

If I'm not mistaken:

 <%= variable %>

would be what your looking for.

Andrew

> Folk -
>
> I am trying to send a form to PayPal, but need to use ASP variables within
> the form. Presently I have:
>
>         <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="get">
>             <input type="hidden" name="cmd" value="_xclick">
>             <input type="hidden" name="business" value="???.coM">
>             <input type="hidden" name="return" value="http://???.com/">
>             <input type="hidden" name="item_name" value= <% strMember %> >
>             <input type="hidden" name="item_number" value= <% strMember %>
> >
>             <input type="hidden" name="amount" value= <% strMember_Amt %>
> >
>
>             <input type="hidden" name="currency_code" value="USD">
>
> The problem is that the "<% strMember %>" and "<% strMember_Amt %>" syntax
> is wrong. Does anyone know how to include an ASP variable here. Thanks
> greatly. Rick
>
> --
> "If you tell me I'm sensible in addition to normal and wise, I'm going to
> punch you in the stomach. I'm as screwed up as the next person, and I like
> it that way." Imitation in Death, Page 257 by Nora Roberts writing as J.
> D.
> Robb
>
> --
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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 15 12:44:13 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:44:13 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Simply (?) ASP question
In-Reply-To: <BBDC2C92.1C60F%rick.good@shiesl.com>
References: <BBDC2C92.1C60F%rick.good@shiesl.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031115184119.024e89d8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 18:18 15/11/2003, Rick at Shiesl wrote
>Folk -

https://www.paypal.com/en_US/pdf/shopping_cart.pdf

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/pdn/how-to-outside#dynamic

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/pdn/news/index-outside

does this help any?

FB


>I am trying to send a form to PayPal, but need to use ASP variables within
>the form. Presently I have:
>
>         <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="get">
>             <input type="hidden" name="cmd" value="_xclick">
>             <input type="hidden" name="business" value="???.coM">
>             <input type="hidden" name="return" value="http://???.com/">
>             <input type="hidden" name="item_name" value= <% strMember %> >
>             <input type="hidden" name="item_number" value= <% strMember %> >
>             <input type="hidden" name="amount" value= <% strMember_Amt %> >
>
>             <input type="hidden" name="currency_code" value="USD">
>
>The problem is that the "<% strMember %>" and "<% strMember_Amt %>" syntax
>is wrong. Does anyone know how to include an ASP variable here. Thanks
>greatly. Rick


From marcan at home.se  Sat Nov 15 12:51:08 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:51:08 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] Simply (?) ASP question
In-Reply-To: <4822.137.122.89.222.1068921732.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>
Message-ID: <000101c3aba9$6ef5c890$0400a8c0@marcusnb>

And I would also make sure to put quotes around <%= variable %>  or your
input fields won't look good according to markup standards.

Example :  <input type="hidden" name="item_name" value="<%= strMember
%>">

/Marcus

> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fr?n: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] F?r Andrew Seguin
> Skickat: den 15 november 2003 19:42
> Till: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> ?mne: Re: [thelist] Simply (?) ASP question
> 
> 
> If I'm not mistaken:
> 
>  <%= variable %>
> 
> would be what your looking for.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> > Folk -
> >
> > I am trying to send a form to PayPal, but need to use ASP variables 
> > within the form. Presently I have:
> >
> >         <form 
> action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="get">
> >             <input type="hidden" name="cmd" value="_xclick">
> >             <input type="hidden" name="business" value="???.coM">
> >             <input type="hidden" name="return" 
> value="http://???.com/">
> >             <input type="hidden" name="item_name" value= <% 
> strMember %> >
> >             <input type="hidden" name="item_number" value= <% 
> > strMember %>
> > >
> >             <input type="hidden" name="amount" value= <% 
> strMember_Amt 
> > %>
> > >
> >
> >             <input type="hidden" name="currency_code" value="USD">
> >
> > The problem is that the "<% strMember %>" and "<% strMember_Amt %>" 
> > syntax is wrong. Does anyone know how to include an ASP 
> variable here. 
> > Thanks greatly. Rick
> >
> > --
> > "If you tell me I'm sensible in addition to normal and 
> wise, I'm going 
> > to punch you in the stomach. I'm as screwed up as the next 
> person, and 
> > I like it that way." Imitation in Death, Page 257 by Nora Roberts 
> > writing as J. D. Robb
> >
> > --
> > * * Please support the community that supports you.  * * 
> > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> >
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> > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers 
> of the Web, 
> > evolt !
> >
> >
> 
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From hassan at webtuitive.com  Sat Nov 15 12:51:48 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:51:48 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Hotlinking htaccess problem to resolve
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031115164236.0248dfb0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <2204.69.28.224.53.1067303443.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031102144101.0241bc00@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031115164236.0248dfb0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FB675C4.7080803@webtuitive.com>

John C Bullas wrote:

> anyone know how to modify this to allow ONLY my server (the host) and.....
> 
> <anything>google<dot><any three letters max>
> 
> to view the image as well?

Uh, I don't use mod_rewrite, so I can't help there, but won't your
description of the "solution" also block, say, `www.google.co.uk`?
Or is that the intention?

-- 
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Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

                           dream.  code.




From kr43m0r at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 15 12:56:03 2003
From: kr43m0r at earthlink.net (Lonnie)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:56:03 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Simply (?) ASP question
References: <BBDC2C92.1C60F%rick.good@shiesl.com>
Message-ID: <001701c3abaa$1e567b40$6401a8c0@yoda>

> I am trying to send a form to PayPal, but need to use ASP variables within
> the form. Presently I have:
>
>         <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="get">
>             <input type="hidden" name="cmd" value="_xclick">
>             <input type="hidden" name="business" value="???.coM">
>             <input type="hidden" name="return" value="http://???.com/">
>             <input type="hidden" name="item_name" value= <% strMember %> >
>             <input type="hidden" name="item_number" value= <% strMember %>
>
>             <input type="hidden" name="amount" value= <% strMember_Amt %>
>
>
>             <input type="hidden" name="currency_code" value="USD">
>
> The problem is that the "<% strMember %>" and "<% strMember_Amt %>" syntax
> is wrong. Does anyone know how to include an ASP variable here. Thanks
> greatly. Rick

Use the response.write shorthand and don't forget quotes:

<input type="hidden" name="item_name" value="<%= strMember %>">



From jsWalter at torres.ws  Sat Nov 15 13:31:37 2003
From: jsWalter at torres.ws (jsWalter)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:31:37 -0600
Subject: [thelist] anyone know anything about this book?
In-Reply-To: <20031106153454.GA19043@doxdesk.com>
Message-ID: <EBEGKCFDDFJLKNLFBHCCCEGADAAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>

I found this reference, followed a few links, and found this book...

    HTML Utopia: Designing Without Tables Using CSS
    http://www.sitepoint.com/books/css1/toc.php

Does anyone know anything about it?

If so, is it worth $40?

Thx

Walter



From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 15 17:41:40 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:41:40 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Hotlinking htaccess problem to resolve
In-Reply-To: <3FB675C4.7080803@webtuitive.com>
References: <2204.69.28.224.53.1067303443.squirrel@intdev.darktech.org>
 <6.0.0.22.0.20031102144101.0241bc00@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <6.0.0.22.0.20031115164236.0248dfb0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <3FB675C4.7080803@webtuitive.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031115234120.02461900@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 18:51 15/11/2003, you wrote
>John C Bullas wrote:
>
>>anyone know how to modify this to allow ONLY my server (the host) and.....
>><anything>google<dot><any three letters max>
>>to view the image as well?
>
>Uh, I don't use mod_rewrite, so I can't help there, but won't your
>description of the "solution" also block, say, `www.google.co.uk`?
>Or is that the intention?

Nope and yes it would if I knew what the solution was ;) 


From dunstan at 1976design.com  Sat Nov 15 18:51:03 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:51:03 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Are plain text urls picked up by search engine bots?
Message-ID: <3FB6C9F7.7070305@1976design.com>

Hi there,

If I post a plain text url on a web page will it get picked up by the 
search engine bots out there?

So will this:

http://www.1976design.com/blog/

Be treated the same as this:

<a href="http://www.1976design.com/blog/" 
title="">http://www.1976design.com/blog/</a>

In the scheme of things?

I'm thinking of Google's treatment of links to sites, and wondering if 
it actually has to be an active link, or if the text alone is enough.

I'm guessing it has to be an actual link, but I'd like some confirmation 
is possible.

Thanks very much - Dunstan



From demerss1 at msu.edu  Sat Nov 15 18:52:46 2003
From: demerss1 at msu.edu (Scott DeMers)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:52:46 -0500
Subject: [thelist] anyone know anything about this book?
In-Reply-To: <EBEGKCFDDFJLKNLFBHCCCEGADAAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>
Message-ID: <HAEJKJOHBINKHHANODJFCEKCCEAA.demerss1@msu.edu>

I have this book at work, and like most Web books, every piece of
information in it is available on the Web somewhere for free. The question
is, do you want to take the time to do all that surfing? In particular, I'd
say the myriad of tutorials out there about css based layouts should make it
easy to avoid buying this book. Here is a link to get you started:

http://www.positioniseverything.net/

And check out this site for excellent real world examples:

www.csszengarden.com

Scott





-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of jsWalter
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 2:32 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] anyone know anything about this book?


I found this reference, followed a few links, and found this book...

    HTML Utopia: Designing Without Tables Using CSS
    http://www.sitepoint.com/books/css1/toc.php

Does anyone know anything about it?

If so, is it worth $40?

Thx

Walter


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From jabber at raditha.com  Sat Nov 15 23:23:48 2003
From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:23:48 +0600
Subject: [thelist] Are plain text urls picked up by search engine bots?
In-Reply-To: <3FB6C9F7.7070305@1976design.com>
References: <3FB6C9F7.7070305@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <3FB709E4.6010308@raditha.com>

Hi,

I could be wrong here, but my opinion is that google will follow these 
links but they do not make any contributions to page rank.



Dunstan Orchard wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> If I post a plain text url on a web page will it get picked up by the 
> search engine bots out there?
>
> So will this:
>
> http://www.1976design.com/blog/
>
> Be treated the same as this:
>
> <a href="http://www.1976design.com/blog/" 
> title="">http://www.1976design.com/blog/</a>
>
> In the scheme of things?
>
> I'm thinking of Google's treatment of links to sites, and wondering if 
> it actually has to be an active link, or if the text alone is enough.
>
> I'm guessing it has to be an actual link, but I'd like some 
> confirmation is possible.
>
> Thanks very much - Dunstan
>
>


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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 02:23:08 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:23:08 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Redirect user agent to warning page 
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116081636.023d78c8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

OK, I want to redirect any attempted access by a Useragent
called Web Downloader to just one URL everytime they access the site!

Our 272 page site is being downloaded almost every night!!!!!!

Something like........

if(useragent.indexOf('Web Downloader')) {
   document.location=('http://www.ime.org.uk/dont_download_the_entire_site_you_muppet.html')
}

But in "real words" and that can sit in .htaccess in root!

FB 


From jabber at raditha.com  Sun Nov 16 05:44:29 2003
From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:44:29 +0600
Subject: [thelist] Redirect user agent to warning page
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116081636.023d78c8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116081636.023d78c8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FB7631D.7010009@raditha.com>

Hi,

What you are trying to do will not work because almost all downloaders 
can change their identity very easily. If you want to go ahead with it 
anyway you might want to refer to the Apache Url Rewriting guide which 
has a couple of example that deals with serving different responses to 
different browsers.

A better approach might be for you to indentify this particular users ip 
or network and block access to that ip. This can also be done with url 
rewrites.

If you are lucky the downloader reffered to might be well written and 
might actually obey the robots.txt file. If it does this might be the 
simplest approach.



John C Bullas wrote:

> OK, I want to redirect any attempted access by a Useragent
> called Web Downloader to just one URL everytime they access the site!
>
> Our 272 page site is being downloaded almost every night!!!!!!
>
> Something like........
>
> if(useragent.indexOf('Web Downloader')) {
>   
> document.location=('http://www.ime.org.uk/dont_download_the_entire_site_you_muppet.html') 
>
> }
>
> But in "real words" and that can sit in .htaccess in root!
>
> FB



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From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Sun Nov 16 06:27:51 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:27:51 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Remote Scripting
Message-ID: <000601c3ac3d$0e583470$0300000a@hershel2000>

I am interested in learning more about Remote Scripting. I have always
updated web pages dynamically via what is known as 'hidden CGI' using an
IFRAME. I also update the server this way (with new data) without changing
the web page.

I understand that Remote Scripting can make this process smoother and
perhaps more automated and transparent to the user. I also understand that
it is inherently ASP-based. I am working on an IE6-only site and a Windows
server so MS issues should not present any problems.

Can anyone confirm or deny the above and either way, can anyone point me in
the direction of a good introduction (a URL) to this technology?

Thanks,
Hershel


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 08:12:48 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:12:48 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Redirect user agent to warning page
In-Reply-To: <3FB7631D.7010009@raditha.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116081636.023d78c8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <3FB7631D.7010009@raditha.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116141033.023fd380@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 11:44 16/11/2003, you wrote
>Hi,
>
>What you are trying to do will not work because almost all downloaders can 
>change their identity very easily. If you want to go ahead with it anyway 
>you might want to refer to the Apache Url Rewriting guide which has a 
>couple of example that deals with serving different responses to different 
>browsers.
>
>A better approach might be for you to indentify this particular users ip 
>or network and block access to that ip. This can also be done with url 
>rewrites.

Of course!!!!! I already use:

<Limit GET>
order allow,deny
allow from all
deny from 12.xx.xxx.62 #www.lalalalalal.com
</Limit>

to block access on one site and deliver a custom 401 error page thanks

John


>If you are lucky the downloader reffered to might be well written and 
>might actually obey the robots.txt file. If it does this might be the 
>simplest approach.


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 08:28:25 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:28:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] worm?
Message-ID: <20031116142825.71734.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com>

In my attempts to track down this odd popup I've mentioned, I had
ZoneAlarm block this this morning:

bundle.exe

it is in the folder:

C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch

as an archive (.pf) which a bunch of other stuff. Then in

C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Local Settings\Temp

is the bundle.exe file that seems to run on startup..anyone have any
idea?

Tom

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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 08:41:52 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:41:52 +0000
Subject: [thelist] worm?
In-Reply-To: <20031116142825.71734.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031116142825.71734.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116143859.0240a938@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 14:28 16/11/2003, you wrote
>In my attempts to track down this odd popup I've mentioned, I had
>ZoneAlarm block this this morning:
>
>bundle.exe
>
>it is in the folder:
>
>C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99786.htm
http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32ororb.html
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/Print99786.htm

Is this the baby?

You got an un to date AV package, it should be picked up by it!!!


>as an archive (.pf) which a bunch of other stuff. Then in
>
>C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Local Settings\Temp
>
>is the bundle.exe file that seems to run on startup..anyone have any
>idea?
>
>Tom


From headlemur at lemurzone.com  Sun Nov 16 08:56:05 2003
From: headlemur at lemurzone.com (the head lemur)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:56:05 -0700
Subject: [thelist] worm?
References: <20031116142825.71734.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3ac51$c58bae60$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>




> In my attempts to track down this odd popup I've mentioned, I had
> ZoneAlarm block this this morning:

> bundle.exe
http://www.computing.net/windows95/wwwboard/forum/149999.html


> is the bundle.exe file that seems to run on startup..anyone have any
> idea?
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/adware.sahagent.html


Here Ya go.

hope these help

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From jabber at raditha.com  Sun Nov 16 10:05:24 2003
From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:05:24 +0600
Subject: [thelist] Redirect user agent to warning page
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116141033.023fd380@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116081636.023d78c8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
	<3FB7631D.7010009@raditha.com>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031116141033.023fd380@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FB7A044.6080200@raditha.com>

Awright, sorry for making too many assumptions.

John C Bullas wrote:

> At 11:44 16/11/2003, you wrote
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What you are trying to do will not work because almost all 
>> downloaders can change their identity very easily. If you want to go 
>> ahead with it anyway you might want to refer to the Apache Url 
>> Rewriting guide which has a couple of example that deals with serving 
>> different responses to different browsers.
>>
>> A better approach might be for you to indentify this particular users 
>> ip or network and block access to that ip. This can also be done with 
>> url rewrites.
>
>
> Of course!!!!! I already use:
>
> <Limit GET>
> order allow,deny
> allow from all
> deny from 12.xx.xxx.62 #www.lalalalalal.com
> </Limit>
>
> to block access on one site and deliver a custom 401 error page thanks
>
> John
>
>
>> If you are lucky the downloader reffered to might be well written and 
>> might actually obey the robots.txt file. If it does this might be the 
>> simplest approach.
>
>


-- 
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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 10:03:51 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:03:51 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Redirect user agent to warning page
In-Reply-To: <3FB7631D.7010009@raditha.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116081636.023d78c8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <3FB7631D.7010009@raditha.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116155029.024691d0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 11:44 16/11/2003, Raditha Dissanayake wrote
>Hi,
>
>What you are trying to do will not work because almost all downloaders can 
>change their identity very easily. If you want to go ahead with it anyway 
>you might want to refer to the Apache Url Rewriting guide which has a 
>couple of example that deals with serving different responses to different 
>browsers.
>
>A better approach might be for you to indentify this particular users ip 
>or network and block access to that ip. This can also be done with url 
>rewrites.
>
>If you are lucky the downloader reffered to might be well written and 
>might actually obey the robots.txt file. If it does this might be the 
>simplest approach.

OK, I set up a custom 401 page in /401/

directory I want to block is

/ime/ down from root

.htaccess deny gives a server generated 401 error
when a blocked IP tries to access this diectory.....

BUT Not my custom one in /401/401.php

why would this be?

The .htaccess file in /ime/

has

ErrorDocument 401 401/401.php
<Limit GET>
order allow,deny
allow from all
deny from 82.133.113.185 #nildram.co.uk test
</Limit>

in it AND it blocks my IP!!!

it just won't use my custom 401 page in /401/ off root

FB

Resolution? 


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 10:06:44 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:06:44 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Redirect user agent to warning page
In-Reply-To: <3FB7A044.6080200@raditha.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116081636.023d78c8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <3FB7631D.7010009@raditha.com>
 <6.0.0.22.0.20031116141033.023fd380@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <3FB7A044.6080200@raditha.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116160541.0245f360@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 16:05 16/11/2003, you wrote
>Awright, sorry for making too many assumptions.
>>
>>
>>Of course!!!!! I already use:


No, not your fault! your post only  reminded me I used <Limit GET> on 
another site!!!!

It is NOT is use on the site we are talking about.....

John


>><Limit GET>
>>order allow,deny
>>allow from all
>>deny from 12.xx.xxx.62 #www.lalalalalal.com
>></Limit>
>>
>>to block access on one site and deliver a custom 401 error page thanks
>>
>>John


From jabber at raditha.com  Sun Nov 16 10:15:15 2003
From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:15:15 +0600
Subject: [thelist] Redirect user agent to warning page
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116155029.024691d0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116081636.023d78c8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
	<3FB7631D.7010009@raditha.com>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031116155029.024691d0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FB7A293.8000909@raditha.com>

Hi,
It could be because on certain configurations the error documents are 
delivered from a directory outside the htdocs, if you look at your error 
log file you will see some messages related to errordocument. That will 
help you diagnose and fix the problem.

all the best

John C Bullas wrote:

> At 11:44 16/11/2003, Raditha Dissanayake wrote
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What you are trying to do will not work because almost all 
>> downloaders can change their identity very easily. If you want to go 
>> ahead with it anyway you might want to refer to the Apache Url 
>> Rewriting guide which has a couple of example that deals with serving 
>> different responses to different browsers.
>>
>> A better approach might be for you to indentify this particular users 
>> ip or network and block access to that ip. This can also be done with 
>> url rewrites.
>>
>> If you are lucky the downloader reffered to might be well written and 
>> might actually obey the robots.txt file. If it does this might be the 
>> simplest approach.
>
>
> OK, I set up a custom 401 page in /401/
>
> directory I want to block is
>
> /ime/ down from root
>
> .htaccess deny gives a server generated 401 error
> when a blocked IP tries to access this diectory.....
>
> BUT Not my custom one in /401/401.php
>
> why would this be?
>
> The .htaccess file in /ime/
>
> has
>
> ErrorDocument 401 401/401.php
> <Limit GET>
> order allow,deny
> allow from all
> deny from 82.133.113.185 #nildram.co.uk test
> </Limit>
>
> in it AND it blocks my IP!!!
>
> it just won't use my custom 401 page in /401/ off root
>
> FB
>
> Resolution?



-- 
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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 10:38:16 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:38:16 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Redirect user agent to warning page
In-Reply-To: <3FB7A293.8000909@raditha.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116081636.023d78c8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <3FB7631D.7010009@raditha.com>
 <6.0.0.22.0.20031116155029.024691d0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <3FB7A293.8000909@raditha.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116163719.023b49e8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 16:15 16/11/2003, you wrote
>Hi,
>It could be because on certain configurations the error documents are 
>delivered from a directory outside the htdocs, if you look at your error 
>log file you will see some messages related to errordocument. That will 
>help you diagnose and fix the problem.

INFO: a custom 404 line in .htaccess in the root works for the whole site!!!

would 401s be different?

John 


From cs1spw at bath.ac.uk  Sun Nov 16 12:53:51 2003
From: cs1spw at bath.ac.uk (Simon Willison)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:53:51 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Remote Scripting
In-Reply-To: <000601c3ac3d$0e583470$0300000a@hershel2000>
References: <000601c3ac3d$0e583470$0300000a@hershel2000>
Message-ID: <3FB7C7BF.4090801@bath.ac.uk>

Hershel Robinson wrote:
> I understand that Remote Scripting can make this process smoother and
> perhaps more automated and transparent to the user. I also understand that
> it is inherently ASP-based. I am working on an IE6-only site and a Windows
> server so MS issues should not present any problems.

Remote scripting isn't inherently ASP based, and it works just fine on 
non-Microsoft platforms depending on the approach you use. A good 
starting URL is here: http://www.ashleyit.com/rs/


From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Sun Nov 16 13:16:52 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:16:52 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Remote Scripting
In-Reply-To: <3FB7C7BF.4090801@bath.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <002601c3ac76$318787f0$0300000a@hershel2000>

> Remote scripting isn't inherently ASP based, and it works
> just fine on
> non-Microsoft platforms depending on the approach you use. A good
> starting URL is here: http://www.ashleyit.com/rs/

Very interesting. All he has there is a URL to Microshaft's remote scripting
and then his own JSRS. His system, however, looks like nothing more than
what is known as 'hidden CGI' i.e. regular HTTP communications via a hidden
iframe object. This is what I already do. :)

Thank you anyhow.

Hershel


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 14:24:12 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:24:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] security strategy - is mine flawed?
Message-ID: <20031116202412.42378.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Relating to my last post, I'm wondering if I am missing something in
my security strategy. I seem to occasionally get these ad worms which
is really annoying. Here is what I have going:

1 - ZoneAlarm as my firewall
2 - NAV, completely updated
3 - I *Never* install any of those Kazaa like garbage.

I do not have the Win firewall on, but should I? Some people advocate
disabling ActiveX altogether. But what effect would this have on my
system for things I *DO* want to run?

Thanks

Tom


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From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 15:43:26 2003
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:43:26 -0000
Subject: [thelist] security strategy - is mine flawed?
In-Reply-To: <20031116202412.42378.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031116202412.42378.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <opryq2moukc4uo5t@localhost>

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:24:12 -0800 (PST), Tom Dell'Aringa 
<pixelmech at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 1 - ZoneAlarm as my firewall
> 2 - NAV, completely updated
> 3 - I *Never* install any of those Kazaa like garbage.
>
> I do not have the Win firewall on, but should I? Some people advocate
> disabling ActiveX altogether. But what effect would this have on my
> system for things I *DO* want to run?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom

Tom,

For one reason and another I moved away from Norton (too expensive and not 
always updated quickly enough) and Zonealarm (I upgraded to a version that 
kept crashing win2k)

I'm now using Computer Associates EZ Antivirus which has unattended 
updates and seems to be faster at spotting a virus, and Sygate Personal 
firewall Pro because it stopped the most attempts at getting onto my 
machine and allowed me to *permit* outgoing access one application at a 
time.

In the last two years of using these the only problems I've seen were when 
I did a fresh install of winXP on a new laptop and ventured onto the net 
for updates without protection - wham, instant blaster worm, which was 
picked up, the instant I connected the laptop to the network, by Sygate 
reporting an intrusion attempt from the IP address I'd just assigned to 
the laptop!

Others will advise a hardware firewall I'm sure, but the combination of 
Sygate and EZAV (on realtime monitoring) have worked very well for me.


HTH

Tony

From thelist at meidomus.com  Sun Nov 16 15:42:28 2003
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:42:28 +0300
Subject: [thelist] security strategy - is mine flawed?
In-Reply-To: <20031116202412.42378.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031116202412.42378.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FB7EF44.40609@meidomus.com>

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Relating to my last post, I'm wondering if I am missing something in
> my security strategy. I seem to occasionally get these ad worms which
> is really annoying. Here is what I have going:
> 
> 1 - ZoneAlarm as my firewall
> 2 - NAV, completely updated
> 3 - I *Never* install any of those Kazaa like garbage.

Run Mozilla -- sometimes, progams can hijack IE settings and cause 
strange things to happen. Also you didn't mention programs like 
Ad-Aware, which are great for weeding out unwanted guests on your 
computer.  I know once I made Mozilla my primary browser (not my default 
browser), incidents like what you describe were reduced to almost nil.

Also, Mozilla's mail reader seems to be immune to all those pesky 
Outlook-specific worms.  Other good ones are The Bat ( 
http://www.ritlabs.com ) and Pegasus.

If you run any "sponsored" software -- they might install programs 
without your knowledge.

hth,



-- 
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thelist[at]meidomus[dot]com
http://www.meidomus.com
-----------------------
"Documentation is like sex: when it is good,
  it is very, very good; and when it is bad,
  it is better than nothing."


From lists at echozone.com  Sun Nov 16 16:01:30 2003
From: lists at echozone.com (Elly)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:01:30 -0800
Subject: [thelist] css margins in IE 5 PC
Message-ID: <6F27C88E-1880-11D8-B8EB-000A277AC0D4@echozone.com>

I'd like to check if there's an issue with IE 5 PC completely breaking 
with margin-left: 20%; margin-right: 20% in a p tag.

I while age on another site, I had an end user reporting that IE 5 saw 
this same tag, cause the text in the p tag not wrap at all, breaking 
the whole layout to expand many horizontal screens.

I can only test older browsers on Macs, and this displays fine on 
various older versions of IE Mac.

I'm still using tables, and this p tag is also inside a td.
Using HTML 4.01 Transitional doctype in quirks mode (excluding url).

In the style sheet, I have:

p.narrow {
margin-left: 20%;
margin-right: 20%;
text-align: justify;}

If someone has the capability to check in any versions of IE 5 PC, you 
can check this at:

http://echozone.com/orncc/

I'd much appreciate this, and if this breaks, I would love to hear 
advice on a workaround. I had searched the archives, and could not find 
this specific issue.

Thanks!

Elly
   ------------------------
http://echozone.com


From noah at tookish.net  Sun Nov 16 16:25:14 2003
From: noah at tookish.net (noah)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:25:14 -0500
Subject: [thelist] css margins in IE 5 PC
In-Reply-To: <6F27C88E-1880-11D8-B8EB-000A277AC0D4@echozone.com>
References: <6F27C88E-1880-11D8-B8EB-000A277AC0D4@echozone.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116172216.02a3ae80@tookish.net>

At 05:01 PM 16/11/2003, Elly wrote:
>I'd like to check if there's an issue with IE 5 PC completely breaking 
>with margin-left: 20%; margin-right: 20% in a p tag.
>
>I while age on another site, I had an end user reporting that IE 5 saw 
>this same tag, cause the text in the p tag not wrap at all, breaking the 
>whole layout to expand many horizontal screens.

Looks fine here -- it wraps the same way in IE 5.01 as in Moz, IE 6, IE 
5.5, Opera. (WinXP Pro)

Cheers,
Noah 


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 16:27:28 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:27:28 +0000
Subject: [thelist] security strategy 
In-Reply-To: <opryq2moukc4uo5t@localhost>
References: <20031116202412.42378.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
 <opryq2moukc4uo5t@localhost>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116222140.02454848@pop3.nildram.co.uk>


>
>Tom,
>
>For one reason and another I moved away from Norton (too expensive and not 
>always updated quickly enough) and Zonealarm (I upgraded to a version that 
>kept crashing win2k)
>
>I'm now using Computer Associates EZ Antivirus which has unattended 
>updates and seems to be faster at spotting a virus, and Sygate Personal

I use McAfee Virusscan 4.5.1, it  does just this ( plus incoming email, 
download and web scan) and you can set multiple FTP download sites to be 
used sequentially in case one is down too....

>firewall Pro because it stopped the most attempts at getting onto my 
>machine and allowed me to *permit* outgoing access one application at a

As does the free Zone Alarm (set it to allow every attempt at access or 
allow them one at a time, and set custom "allows" for DNS etc ....  I'm 
running the latest version totally successfully with Win 2k SP3, or 
whatever is the latest one?)

Plus a hardware firewall via my ADSL router :)

NB: what sort of hostile traffic have you intercepted that has not resulted 
form a worm infestation or spyware?

>time.


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 16:38:37 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:38:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] security strategy - is mine flawed?
In-Reply-To: <3FB7EF44.40609@meidomus.com>
Message-ID: <20031116223837.64448.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Burhan Khalid <thelist at meidomus.com> wrote:

> Run Mozilla -- sometimes, progams can hijack IE settings and cause 
> strange things to happen. Also you didn't mention programs like 
> Ad-Aware, which are great for weeding out unwanted guests on your 
> computer.  I know once I made Mozilla my primary browser (not my
> default browser), incidents like what you describe were reduced to 
> almost nil.

I forgot to mention, I do indeed use Ad-aware and Spybot. I've tried
a few times to make Mozilla and/or Firebird my primary browser. I
can't seem to get used to either. I always end up having some problem
it seems. Maybe I should try harder.

> Also, Mozilla's mail reader seems to be immune to all those pesky 
> Outlook-specific worms.  Other good ones are The Bat ( 
> http://www.ritlabs.com ) and Pegasus.

I use only Yahoo! for email, so not a problem there.
 
> If you run any "sponsored" software -- they might install programs 
> without your knowledge.

True, but I don't :)

Tom

=====
http://www.pixelmech.com/ :: Web Development Services
http://www.DMXzone.com/ :: JavaScript Author / Every Friday!
http://www.thywordistruth.net/ :: Eternal Life

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 16:40:24 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:40:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] security strategy - is mine flawed?
In-Reply-To: <opryq2moukc4uo5t@localhost>
Message-ID: <20031116224024.622.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Tony Crockford <tonyc at boldfish.co.uk> wrote:
> Sygate Personal firewall Pro ...allowed me to *permit* outgoing 
> access one application at a time.

ZoneAlarm does that though, the first time anything attempts to reach
outside it asks for permission first - and if that app changes it
asks again. But maybe this doesn't catch everything...



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From dianesoini at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 16 17:44:57 2003
From: dianesoini at earthlink.net (Diane Soini)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:44:57 -0800
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt
In-Reply-To: <200311160405.1allFc2Cc3NZFlq0@merlin>
Message-ID: <E2E9BD5A-188E-11D8-90CD-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>

How well is the robots.txt file obeyed? 


From joshua at waetech.com  Sun Nov 16 17:57:40 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:57:40 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall
Message-ID: <09c101c3ac9d$6b861c60$0300a8c0@client1>

Hi gang,

The thread about the personal firewall got me thinking.  I'm looking at some
dedicated hosting at a place and they offer separate hardware based firewall
options.  The HW FW option is quite expensive and I'm hoping to find an
alternative.  I talked with them and they say they usually tweak MS Windows
2003's internal settings to block out unwanted traffic and they said it
works well.  A couple windows guru's I recently spoke to said that there's
no good way for Windows to natively firewall itself.  How about some of
these personal firewalls, zone alarm, etc?  Are any of them good enough/fast
enough to be viable on a web server? What about if the webserver is behind a
decent size pipe (eg, 5-10 mbit)?

Thanks.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From harvester at lists.evolt.org  Sun Nov 16 18:00:23 2003
From: harvester at lists.evolt.org (harvester at lists.evolt.org)
Date: 17 Nov 2003 00:00:23 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Nov 10, 2003
Message-ID: <20031117000023.12590.qmail@acornparenting.org>


The tip harvest for the Week of Monday Nov 10, 2003 has been added
to the lists.evolt.org site.  Get it at:

   http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/show.cgi?w=20031110

Week at a glance listing at:

   http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/week.cgi?w=20031110


Harvest Summary
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Number of messages: 359
Number of tips    : 6

Tip Authors
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John Brooking (2)
Joshua Olson (2)
Michael Pemberton (1)
Paul Bennett (1)

Tip Types
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crypt, htpasswd, and security (1)
Noise Reduction (1)
SSL (1)
stopping browser / server cache (1)
Unclassified (1)
Useful Windows Tools (1)

From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 18:21:57 2003
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:21:57 -0000
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt
In-Reply-To: <E2E9BD5A-188E-11D8-90CD-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
References: <E2E9BD5A-188E-11D8-90CD-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <opryq9yv1ic4uo5t@localhost>

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:44:57 -0800, Diane Soini <dianesoini at earthlink.net> 
wrote:

> How well is the robots.txt file obeyed?

This might help with the answer:
http://www.fleiner.com/bots/

;o)

Tony

From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Sun Nov 16 18:23:54 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:23:54 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall
References: <09c101c3ac9d$6b861c60$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <00cd01c3aca1$47f693c0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com>
Subject: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall


: The thread about the personal firewall got me thinking.  I'm
: looking at some dedicated hosting at a place and they offer
: separate hardware based firewall options.  The HW FW option
: is quite expensive and I'm hoping to find an alternative.  I talked
: with them and they say they usually tweak MS Windows
: 2003's internal settings to block out unwanted traffic and
 :they said it works well.  A couple windows guru's I recently
: spoke to said that there's no good way for Windows to natively
: firewall itself.  How about some of these personal firewalls,
: zone alarm, etc?  Are any of them good enough/fast
: enough to be viable on a web server? What about if the
: webserver is behind a decent size pipe (eg, 5-10 mbit)?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Who are these "Windows Gurus" that you have spoken to, and what was the
exact question/answer (and context)?

IPSec, for example, is supported in Windows 2000 and Windows 2003, and can
give you very good protection (barring possible vulnerabilities in the
implementation), so whoever told you that there's "no good way" is either
qualifying their comments, or doesn't know what they're talking about (an
example of a qualification would be that IPSec isn't a firewall in a literal
sense).

Windows Server 2003 also comes with the built-in ICF as well, which, again,
may be "good enough" for you (though I would look at IPSec first).

Personally, I feel that the common SOHO type"Personal" software firewalls
(eg ZoneAlarm) do not give you enough flexibility to be able to configure
them appropriately for a server (given that you want to open a number of
ports). Most are designed for people who need to secure a client machine (ie
not allow incoming connections, but allow some applications outbound access
to the 'net). A lot don't give you much granularity either (for example, you
can specify that your email app can go out onto the 'net, but you can't say
that:
- email app can connect to pop3.myDomain.com port 110
- email app can connect to smtp.myDomain.com port 25
- deny access to everything else (eg everything port 80 to stop web-bugs
embedded in HTML mail)

You need to look at the more sophisticated products (though still "Personal"
products), such as Sygate's product (www.sygate.com), Kerio's Personal
Firewall product (not supported on Windows 2003 Server yet) (www.kerio.com)
or Tiny Software's (www.tinysoftware.com/) firewall product. Each of these
allows you to nominate an application/executable, and which IP
addresses/subnets can access (or are barred access) to which local and
remote ports, for which protocol (UDP/TCP/ICMP) inbound and or outbound.

That said, I believe that a separate hardware device (whether dedicated like
a Cisco PIX, or application layer like Microsoft's ISA server) provides a
more robust, and secure environment (however you need to weigh up whether
you can afford the cost!)

HTH

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)


From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Sun Nov 16 18:27:11 2003
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:27:11 -0000
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt
In-Reply-To: <E2E9BD5A-188E-11D8-90CD-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
References: <E2E9BD5A-188E-11D8-90CD-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <opryq97liuc4uo5t@localhost>

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:44:57 -0800, Diane Soini <dianesoini at earthlink.net> 
wrote:

> How well is the robots.txt file obeyed?

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/02/26/how_to_block_spambots_ban_spybots_and_tell_unwanted_robots_to_go_to_hell

And this might help too, sorry - it was the next link unfollowed before I 
hit send....

hth

Tony

From joshua at waetech.com  Sun Nov 16 19:31:24 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:31:24 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall
References: <09c101c3ac9d$6b861c60$0300a8c0@client1>
	<00cd01c3aca1$47f693c0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <09c701c3acaa$839edc30$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Schaefer" <ken at adOpenStatic.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:23 PM

Ken,

Thank you for your responses.


> Who are these "Windows Gurus" that you have spoken to, and what was the
> exact question/answer (and context)?

I don't think the names would mean anything to you.  The context was
actually when discussing using something like Zone Alarm vs configuring
Windows to perform the same actions.  They basically said that using the
Windows settings for filtering (or whatever other tools came with the OS
that I may not know) are not a good substitute for a hardware solution or
even a software solution such as Zone Alarm.

> IPSec, for example, is supported in Windows 2000 and Windows 2003, and can
> give you very good protection (barring possible vulnerabilities in the
> implementation), so whoever told you that there's "no good way" is either
> qualifying their comments, or doesn't know what they're talking about (an
> example of a qualification would be that IPSec isn't a firewall in a
literal
> sense).

IPSec is used for encryption of the IP Packet and is used primary for
tunnelling, is it not?  If I'm right and IPSec is for encryption, then it's
not applicable in this case.  If I'm misunderstanding IPSec, then I'd love
to see a quick'n'dirty reference for what its all about.

> Windows Server 2003 also comes with the built-in ICF as well, which,
again,
> may be "good enough" for you (though I would look at IPSec first).

I'll have to look this one over.

> You need to look at the more sophisticated products (though still
"Personal"
> products), such as Sygate's product (www.sygate.com), Kerio's Personal
> Firewall product (not supported on Windows 2003 Server yet)
(www.kerio.com)
> or Tiny Software's (www.tinysoftware.com/) firewall product. Each of these
> allows you to nominate an application/executable, and which IP
> addresses/subnets can access (or are barred access) to which local and
> remote ports, for which protocol (UDP/TCP/ICMP) inbound and or outbound.

Thank you for the list.  Any experiences with them?

> That said, I believe that a separate hardware device (whether dedicated
like
> a Cisco PIX, or application layer like Microsoft's ISA server) provides a
> more robust, and secure environment (however you need to weigh up whether
> you can afford the cost!)

Agreed, 100%.

> HTH

It does, immensely.  Thank you.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From mpember at phreaker.net  Sun Nov 16 20:11:00 2003
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:11:00 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall
In-Reply-To: <09c701c3acaa$839edc30$0300a8c0@client1>
References: <09c101c3ac9d$6b861c60$0300a8c0@client1>
	<00cd01c3aca1$47f693c0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
	<09c701c3acaa$839edc30$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <hoh4qc.dj5@mail.int.mpember.net.au>

"Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the list.  Any experiences with them?

I've used Tiny Software's Winroute firewall/router software for the past few
years.  It had no problems running on an old 366 celeron running win98.  This
was just a home solution, before security became an issue :)

Since then, I have followed the software over to the new owners, Kerio.  I
went out and bought myself a cheap second hand machine for $40 and now have a
"dedicated" firewall running as good as many of the retail hardware setups
with a bit more flexability.  (i use a few windose apps to monitor/log the
traffic levels

It is not all that great if you looking for something that works at an
application level, but most of the hardware firewall are also limited in this
fashion.  The advantage of this is that if the unit falls over, I can simple
replace the unit with another PC and copy the settings back.  It had no
problems keeping up with my broadband surfing but I my not have a fast enough
connection to test the speeds you may be looking at.
---
Michael Pemberton
evolt at mpember.net.au




From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Sun Nov 16 20:34:59 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:34:59 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall
References: 	<09c101c3ac9d$6b861c60$0300a8c0@client1><00cd01c3aca1$47f693c0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
	<09c701c3acaa$839edc30$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <02bd01c3acb3$65840460$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com>
Subject: Re: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall


: > IPSec, for example, is supported in Windows 2000 and
: > Windows 2003, and can give you very good protection
: > (barring possible vulnerabilities in the implementation), so
: > whoever told you that there's "no good way" is either
: > qualifying their comments, or doesn't know what they're
: > talking about (an example of a qualification would be that
: > IPSec isn't a firewall in a literal sense).
:
: IPSec is used for encryption of the IP Packet and is used primary for
: tunnelling, is it not?  If I'm right and IPSec is for encryption, then
it's
: not applicable in this case.  If I'm misunderstanding IPSec, then I'd love
: to see a quick'n'dirty reference for what its all about.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can create IPSec filtering rules, and store them in the local policy.
These can include rules to permit unsecured traffic, require secured
traffic, or block traffic completely.

Here's a step-by-step guide to setting up such a policy to permit inbound
port 80 from all IP addresses, and deny all other traffic:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itsolutions/network/maintain/security/ipsecld.asp

There are more articles on IPSec here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/topics/network/default.asp

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: > You need to look at the more sophisticated products (though still
: > "Personal" products), such as Sygate's product (www.sygate.com),
: > Kerio's Personal Firewall product (not supported on Windows 2003
: > Server yet) (www.kerio.com) or Tiny Software's (www.tinysoftware.com/)
: > firewall product. Each of these allows you to nominate an
: > application/executable, and which IP addresses/subnets can
: > access (or are barred access) to which local and
: > remote ports, for which protocol (UDP/TCP/ICMP) inbound
: > and or outbound.
:
: Thank you for the list.  Any experiences with
them?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All are fairly solid from what I can tell. Currently I use Kerio's product
on my development server (I personally wouldn't use something like this on a
commercial production machine, so I can't tell you about how that'd work!).

A while back I used to use Tiny's product. I'll send you some screenshots
offlist.

Cheers
Ken


From cs1spw at bath.ac.uk  Sun Nov 16 22:50:35 2003
From: cs1spw at bath.ac.uk (Simon Willison)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:50:35 -0600
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt
In-Reply-To: <E2E9BD5A-188E-11D8-90CD-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
References: <E2E9BD5A-188E-11D8-90CD-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3FB8539B.2070001@bath.ac.uk>

Diane Soini wrote:
> How well is the robots.txt file obeyed?

Search engines and other responsible net citizens generally support it 
extremely well. Spam harvesting scripts and other spiders with less than 
noble intent completely ignore it. How useful it is really depends on 
what you are trying to prevent being indexed and why.

One critical thing to remember is that robots.txt is not and never has 
been a security tool. Remember when the RIAA website was hacked last 
year? It was because the *utter muppets* who set the site up created an 
admin panel that wasn't password protected and /listed it in their 
robots.txt file/ to prevent search engines from crawling it. The first 
cracker who loaded that file up in their browser must have fallen off 
their chair laughing.

More info: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/27230.html

-- 
Simon Willison
Web development weblog: http://simon.incutio.com/