From evolt at mccullough-net.com Mon Oct 18 07:39:03 2004
From: evolt at mccullough-net.com (evolt at mccullough-net.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:39:03 -0500
Subject: [thelist] jsp/java browser detect
Message-ID: <1098103143.4173b96789764@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
What I have started to do is in my jsp page is to put in some browser detection,
I need to redirect based on what browser you have. So for Netscape 4.7,
generation 6, earlier IE versions and so on.
CODE: #################################################################
<%@ page import="javax.servlet.*" %>
<%
String browserType = request.getHeader("User-Agent");
String browser = new String("");
String version = new String("");
browserType = browserType.toLowerCase();
if(browserType != null ){
if((browserType.indexOf("msie") != -1)){
browser = "Explorer";
String tempStr =
browserType.substring(browserType.indexOf("msie"),browserType.length());
version = tempStr.substring(4,tempStr.indexOf(";"));
}
if ((browserType.indexOf("mozilla") != -1) && (browserType.indexOf("spoofer")
== -1) && (browserType.indexOf("compatible") == -1)) {
if (browserType.indexOf("firefox") != -1) {
browser = "Firefox";
int verPos = browserType.indexOf("/");
if(verPos != -1)
version = browserType.substring(verPos+1,verPos + 5);
}
else if (browserType.indexOf("netscape") != -1) {
browser = "Netscape";
int verPos = browserType.indexOf("/");
if(verPos != -1)
version = browserType.substring(verPos+1,verPos + 5);
} else {
browser = "Mozilla";
int verPos = browserType.indexOf("/");
if(verPos != -1)
version = browserType.substring(verPos+1,verPos + 5);
}
}
if (browserType.indexOf("opera") != -1) {
browser = "Opera";
}
if (browserType.indexOf("safari") != -1) {
browser = "Safari";
}
if (browserType.indexOf("konqueror") != -1) {
browser = "Konqueror";
}
}
%>
<%=browser%>
<%=version%>
<%=browserType %>
#######################################################################
Help :)
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From hassan at webtuitive.com Mon Oct 18 10:23:34 2004
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:23:34 -0700
Subject: [thelist] jsp/java browser detect
In-Reply-To: <1098103143.4173b96789764@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
References: <1098103143.4173b96789764@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
Message-ID: <4173DFF6.3030601@webtuitive.com>
evolt at mccullough-net.com wrote:
> What I have started to do is in my jsp page is to put in some browser detection,
> I need to redirect based on what browser you have. So for Netscape 4.7,
> generation 6, earlier IE versions and so on.
>
> CODE: #################################################################
> Help :)
with what, exactly?
--
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com
dream. code.
From evolt at mccullough-net.com Mon Oct 18 11:08:57 2004
From: evolt at mccullough-net.com (evolt at mccullough-net.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:08:57 -0500
Subject: [thelist] jsp/java browser detect
In-Reply-To: <4173DFF6.3030601@webtuitive.com>
References: <1098103143.4173b96789764@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
<4173DFF6.3030601@webtuitive.com>
Message-ID: <1098115737.4173ea992f223@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
What I ended up doing was writting a bean.
##############################################################
package com.dynamic.logic;
import java.io.Serializable;
import javax.servlet.http.HttpServletRequest;
public final class DetectBrowser implements Serializable {
private HttpServletRequest request = null;
private String useragent = null;
private boolean netEnabled = false;
private boolean ie = false;
private boolean ns6 = false;
private boolean ns7 = false;
private boolean op = false;
private boolean moz = false;
private boolean ns4 = false;
public void setRequest(HttpServletRequest req) {
request = req;
useragent = request.getHeader("User-Agent");
String user = useragent.toLowerCase();
if(user.indexOf("msie") != -1) {
ie = true;
} else if(user.indexOf("netscape6") != -1) {
ns6 = true;
} else if(user.indexOf("netscape/7") != -1) {
ns7 = true;
} else if(user.indexOf("opera") != -1) {
op = true;
} else if(user.indexOf("gecko/2004") != -1) {
moz = true;
} else if(user.indexOf("mozilla/4.7") != -1) {
ns4 = true;
}
if(user.indexOf(".net clr") != -1)
netEnabled = true;
}
public String getUseragent() {
return useragent;
}
public boolean isNetEnabled() {
return netEnabled;
}
public boolean isIE() {
return ie;
}
public boolean isNS7() {
return ns7;
}
public boolean isNS6() {
return ns6;
}
public boolean isOP() {
return op;
}
public boolean isMOZ() {
return moz;
}
public boolean isNS4() {
return ns4;
}
}
##############################################################
to detect the user-agent string for the various browsers, Mozilla, Firefox and
Netscape have very similar strings, and since I wanted to allow Mozilla and
Firefox, it took me more trial and error to get it right.
Quoting Hassan Schroeder :
> evolt at mccullough-net.com wrote:
> > What I have started to do is in my jsp page is to put in some browser
> detection,
> > I need to redirect based on what browser you have. So for Netscape 4.7,
> > generation 6, earlier IE versions and so on.
> >
> > CODE: #################################################################
>
>
>
> > Help :)
>
> with what, exactly?
>
> --
> Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
> Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com
>
> dream. code.
>
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
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From evolt at kasimir-k.fi Mon Oct 18 11:44:31 2004
From: evolt at kasimir-k.fi (Kasimir K)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:44:31 +0200
Subject: [thelist] jsp/java browser detect
In-Reply-To: <1098115737.4173ea992f223@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
References: <1098103143.4173b96789764@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
<4173DFF6.3030601@webtuitive.com>
<1098115737.4173ea992f223@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
Message-ID: <4173F2EF.30209@kasimir-k.fi>
> } else if(user.indexOf("gecko/2004") != -1) {
> moz = true;
How about Gecko in 2005? You could take the four characters after
"gecko/" and check it's a number > 2003.
.k
From cgeorge at basecorp.com Mon Oct 18 12:45:13 2004
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:45:13 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Streaming video
Message-ID: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B01A55A@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
Hi everyone,
We have a client that currently has 8 video clips ranging from 5-11 mins
on their site. The current setup is that it's in Flash (MX) as and
imported FLV (providing us decent compression, easily-skinnable
controls, and no additional plugins). However, they're between 6-12mb,
depending on the length of the clips, and the wait can get very
annoying, especially on congested DSL connections.
We're pricing out other options, one of which would be streaming. Our
host provides some packages, but they're too lightweight for what we're
looking for. We also have an rfq in to VitalStream, so that's still
pending.
My questions are:
Does anyone recommend streaming?
Is there a provider that stands out as reliable and full-featured?
Are there other solutions out there that _aren't_ streaming but that
would provide us with a similar user experience?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Chris.
From dudrenov at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 13:15:07 2004
From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:15:07 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Streaming video
In-Reply-To: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B01A55A@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
References: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B01A55A@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
Message-ID: <10c3e4e00410181115246027a7@mail.gmail.com>
Hi,
Well the dirtyest and the cheapest fix is to try to change the
preloader of the flash file it's self. Instead of strating to play
when 100% is preloaded. Try to start playing at 75% or 50%...... Play
with it. This is by no way perfect, but only the quick fix.
Later,
Pavel
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:45:13 -0600, Chris George wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> We have a client that currently has 8 video clips ranging from 5-11 mins
> on their site. The current setup is that it's in Flash (MX) as and
> imported FLV (providing us decent compression, easily-skinnable
> controls, and no additional plugins). However, they're between 6-12mb,
> depending on the length of the clips, and the wait can get very
> annoying, especially on congested DSL connections.
>
> We're pricing out other options, one of which would be streaming. Our
> host provides some packages, but they're too lightweight for what we're
> looking for. We also have an rfq in to VitalStream, so that's still
> pending.
>
> My questions are:
>
> Does anyone recommend streaming?
>
> Is there a provider that stands out as reliable and full-featured?
>
> Are there other solutions out there that _aren't_ streaming but that
> would provide us with a similar user experience?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Chris.
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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>
From court3nay at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 14:16:17 2004
From: court3nay at gmail.com (Courtenay)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:16:17 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Streaming video
In-Reply-To: <10c3e4e00410181115246027a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B01A55A@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
<10c3e4e00410181115246027a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b430c8f041018121657293444@mail.gmail.com>
Have you looked at Quicktime?
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:15:07 -0700, Pavel Dudrenov wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well the dirtyest and the cheapest fix is to try to change the
> preloader of the flash file it's self. Instead of strating to play
> when 100% is preloaded. Try to start playing at 75% or 50%...... Play
> with it. This is by no way perfect, but only the quick fix.
>
> Later,
> Pavel
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:45:13 -0600, Chris George wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > We have a client that currently has 8 video clips ranging from 5-11 mins
> > on their site. The current setup is that it's in Flash (MX) as and
> > imported FLV (providing us decent compression, easily-skinnable
> > controls, and no additional plugins). However, they're between 6-12mb,
> > depending on the length of the clips, and the wait can get very
> > annoying, especially on congested DSL connections.
> >
> > We're pricing out other options, one of which would be streaming. Our
> > host provides some packages, but they're too lightweight for what we're
> > looking for. We also have an rfq in to VitalStream, so that's still
> > pending.
> >
> > My questions are:
> >
> > Does anyone recommend streaming?
> >
> > Is there a provider that stands out as reliable and full-featured?
> >
> > Are there other solutions out there that _aren't_ streaming but that
> > would provide us with a similar user experience?
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Chris.
> > --
> >
> > * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> >
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> >
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>
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From cgeorge at basecorp.com Mon Oct 18 14:47:48 2004
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:47:48 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Streaming video
Message-ID: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B01A568@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
> Hi,
>
> Well the dirtyest and the cheapest fix is to try to change
> the preloader of the flash file it's self. Instead of
> strating to play when 100% is preloaded. Try to start playing
> at 75% or 50%...... Play with it. This is by no way perfect,
> but only the quick fix.
>
> Later,
> Pavel
Yeah, I think I'm going to have to fudge that for now, but I'm not sure
if it'll work as a long-term solution...
From paul at web-business-pack.com Mon Oct 18 14:48:02 2004
From: paul at web-business-pack.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:48:02 +1300
Subject: [thelist] jsp/java browser detect
In-Reply-To: <4173F2EF.30209@kasimir-k.fi>
References: <1098103143.4173b96789764@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
<4173DFF6.3030601@webtuitive.com>
<1098115737.4173ea992f223@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
<4173F2EF.30209@kasimir-k.fi>
Message-ID: <41741DF2.9080201@web-business-pack.com>
browser sniffing is bound to cause future headache - it's a maintenance
nightmare and general Bad Practice (tm).
Why not just use things like the simple CSS '@import' rule?
http://bennettpr.blogspot.com/2004/10/is-browser-sniffing-dead.html
Kasimir K wrote:
>
>> } else if(user.indexOf("gecko/2004") != -1) {
>> moz = true;
>
>
> How about Gecko in 2005? You could take the four characters after
> "gecko/" and check it's a number > 2003.
>
> .k
>
From cgeorge at basecorp.com Mon Oct 18 14:52:10 2004
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:52:10 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Streaming video
Message-ID: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B01A569@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
> Have you looked at Quicktime?
>
> http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/
Funny you mention that. We're primarily a Windows house, delivering
using asp.net and even _hinting_ that we might be using an open source
streaming solution is borderline heresy. :-p
From symeon at systasis.com Mon Oct 18 18:17:21 2004
From: symeon at systasis.com (Symeon Charalabides)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:17:21 -0200
Subject: [thelist] Apache mod_rewrite
In-Reply-To: <4b430c8f041018121657293444@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10c3e4e00410181115246027a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <417432E1.18679.207BC91@localhost>
Hi all,
Since I'm running my own web server to serve my latest website, I'd like to be
able to serve generic filenames without their extensions. To be more specific,
I'd like to publish links such as
http://cal.it.nuigalway.ie/members
and Apache to serve the page
http://cal.it.nuigalway.ie/members.php
Of course, this has to also work when there are GET variables involved, such as
http://cal.it.nuigalway.ie/members.php?id=987654433
The object of this venture is twofold:
- casual observers cannot tell that mod_php is installed on the system and
- if I switch to another technology such as .jsp or .asp in the future (as
ludicrous as it may sound), people's links and bookmarks won't be broken.
I've seen this approach before (Amazon does it, for one) and it looks like a job
for the Apache module mod_rewrite. Has anybody any experience with this method?
Thanks in advance,
Symeon Charalabides (cosmopolite trainee)
-------------------------------------------------
http://www.systasis.com
From brian at hondaswap.com Mon Oct 18 15:55:45 2004
From: brian at hondaswap.com (brian cummiskey)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:55:45 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Apache mod_rewrite
In-Reply-To: <417432E1.18679.207BC91@localhost>
References: <10c3e4e00410181115246027a7@mail.gmail.com>
<417432E1.18679.207BC91@localhost>
Message-ID: <41742DD1.4090305@hondaswap.com>
Symeon Charalabides wrote:
>
> I've seen this approach before (Amazon does it, for one) and it looks like a job
> for the Apache module mod_rewrite. Has anybody any experience with this method?
>
have a look at these articles:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashforward/
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/succeed/
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/urls/
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/mod_rewrite-no-endless-loops
From casey at thecrookstons.com Mon Oct 18 16:18:48 2004
From: casey at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:18:48 -0500
Subject: [thelist] asp.net: using a form button as a link
Message-ID: <017c01c4b558$0f2578c0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
I've got a pdf file users may want to download. How does one format a form
button to download the file?
Thanks,
Casey
From evolt at muinar.com Mon Oct 18 14:24:37 2004
From: evolt at muinar.com (Mike)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:24:37 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Website in Multiple Languages
In-Reply-To: <00f601c4b304$eb54a290$9865fea9@OnPoint.local>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20041018211829.020caa48@mail.muinar.com>
At 15:18 15.10.2004 -0700, you wrote:
>As a general matter, what methods are used to present content in
>multiple languages? I was thinking some sort of CMS where the data is
>stored in a db and translated "on the fly" into the appropriate
>language -- but I'm new to this area.
Hi Bob
You can't really translate content by software. Try for an example
translating a paragraph with the Google translator into Spanish
and then back to English. You'll see what I mean ;)
Once you have your two versions, you can append a string like ?lang=es
or ?lang=en to your page addresses and serve the appropriate text strings
from the database.
Cheers
Mike
_____ mike s. krischker http://webdesign-schweiz.ch/
webpro mailing list http://webdesign-list.com/
flashpro mailing list http://flash-list.com/
From peter at easylistbox.com Mon Oct 18 17:00:58 2004
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:00:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] asp.net: using a form button as a link
In-Reply-To: <017c01c4b558$0f2578c0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Message-ID: <006901c4b55d$f3577e80$0300a8c0@monkeyhouse>
Do you just want it to act exactly like a link? If that's the
case, why not use a regular HTML button?
(you can even add a runat="server" if you like)
Of course if you want it to post back to the server and initiate
some kind of streaming action there, that's another story.
Cheers,
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org On Behalf Of Casey Crookston
I've got a pdf file users may want to download. How does one format a
form button to download the file?
Thanks,
Casey
From helen at helephant.com Mon Oct 18 17:32:44 2004
From: helen at helephant.com (Helen)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:32:44 +0100
Subject: [thelist] asp.net: using a form button as a link
In-Reply-To: <017c01c4b558$0f2578c0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
References: <017c01c4b558$0f2578c0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Message-ID: <4174448C.80501@helephant.com>
Does it have to be a form button? It might be easier to use some
stylesheet code to make your link just look like a button.
your link:
download my file
in your stylesheet:
a.button {
border: 1px black solid;
background-color: gray;
padding: 5px;
text-decoration: none;
}
Helen
Casey Crookston wrote:
>I've got a pdf file users may want to download. How does one format a form
>button to download the file?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Casey
>
>
>
>
From evolt at matchpenalty.com Mon Oct 18 18:49:01 2004
From: evolt at matchpenalty.com (Roger Ly)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:49:01 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Aligning an image to the bottom of multiple lines of text
in CSS
Message-ID: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
Hey all,
Any thoughts on how to accomplish the following with CSS and no tables?
=============================
----
| |
| |
| | this is some text
| | that is aligned to
| | the bottom of an image.
---- how to do this?
www.mydomain.com
==============================
There is an image on the left, which is vertically aligned to the bottom
of the multi-line text on its right. Directly underneath both, is a
link which is aligned to the left of the image. Both the image and the
link need to be hyperlinked.
I can't seem to get any good alignment going.
The best thing I could come up with was something like this:
But I don't know how I'd get the image to be hyperlinked.
Any ideas?
TIA
Roger
From vreeland at studioframework.com Mon Oct 18 19:35:15 2004
From: vreeland at studioframework.com (Robert Vreeland)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:35:15 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Aligning an image to the bottom of multiple lines of
textin CSS
References: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
Message-ID: <00b001c4b573$8113c700$6401a8c0@studioframework>
You can do it with absolute positioning and z-index.
For example
Robert Vreeland
Managing Partner
StudioFramework
vreeland at studioframework.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Ly"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:49 PM
Subject: [thelist] Aligning an image to the bottom of multiple lines of
textin CSS
> Hey all,
>
> Any thoughts on how to accomplish the following with CSS and no tables?
>
>
> =============================
>
> ----
> | |
> | |
> | | this is some text
> | | that is aligned to
> | | the bottom of an image.
> ---- how to do this?
>
> www.mydomain.com
>
> ==============================
>
> There is an image on the left, which is vertically aligned to the bottom
> of the multi-line text on its right. Directly underneath both, is a
> link which is aligned to the left of the image. Both the image and the
> link need to be hyperlinked.
>
> I can't seem to get any good alignment going.
>
> The best thing I could come up with was something like this:
>
>
>
> But I don't know how I'd get the image to be hyperlinked.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA
>
> Roger
>
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
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From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Mon Oct 18 20:07:32 2004
From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:07:32 +0100
Subject: [thelist] marketing
In-Reply-To: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
References: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
Message-ID: <417468D4.5010305@deltatraffic.co.uk>
Hi All
ok well I wanted to renew the discussion of marketing ideas.
Ive been persuaded by the merits of "passive marketing" so no worries
there.
I met some women at a bar one of whom was a marketing expert and soon
put me to rights over what i was doing.
Apparently the key first step is to get the client marketed so that
his/her customers are seeing what benefits them rather than talking lots
about the client. the client has to be somewhat selfless it seems.
She mentioned that you have to know your market inside out, amongst
other things.[1] I got quite a lecture and she stopped when she realised
this.
If you have a range of products you focus on a few rather than blasting
away with your entire range.
Another tip was to find my own customers where i understood their
product, again excellent advice.
So as i play piano at roughly grade 7 (untested tho') talking to
professional musicians might be a good idea. Strangely enough one client
on the books is a musician. Did a bit of work for an engineer - have
done some degree level chemistry so wasnt too scared esp as went out
with a chem engineer - again relationship went well. so its unlikely i
would do well pitching for a beauty salon, or a horse riding school etc.
Anyway, Im thinking of rewriting my front page to reflect the above
ideas plus something like:
"we concentrate on core values(?) such as: good organisation, personal
service and use of leading technology. "
hmm have I left anything out? service, tech, organisation(best use of
resources & time) & something which is important. maybe things like
marketing? "identifying your market?" surely every website company has
to identify markets / customers?
any comments welcome.
thanks
Alex
[1] for example, if a woman is using the site she'd not be really that
into widgets and fanciness - just clear layout with bright colours and
fun to use. a man would have different needs. ive no real idea what the
needs of the women and men are but apparently they are different. if im
talking to 30 year olds then appealing to their need for self
realisation and playing to their ambitions will catch attention / retain
attentions. suddenly realised that the advertising for the terrestial
channels in the uk are made for different social groups, which is a bit
scarey.
From list at netpaths.net Mon Oct 18 20:40:34 2004
From: list at netpaths.net (cvos)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:40:34 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Script to allow file downloads
Message-ID:
I am looking for a script to manage downloads / purchases of mp3 files. This
could be integrated into an existing shopping cart. It must be written in
PHP. Script must allow users to receive an email with a clickable link to
available downloads. Link should remain valid for a specified length of
time. Free or paid scripts are fine, but the source code needs to be fully
accessible.
Many thanks
C Vos
office: 310-372-3086
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From paul at web-business-pack.com Mon Oct 18 22:49:55 2004
From: paul at web-business-pack.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:49:55 +1300
Subject: [thelist] [php] regexp help
Message-ID: <41748EE3.4030506@web-business-pack.com>
one day I'm going to buy that OReilly book, but until then:
Can someone tell me why this check:
if(preg_match("/^[a-zA-Z0-9 -\']+$/i", $value))
{$response['name'] = true;}
else {$response['name'] = false;}
evaluates to true when $value is something like 'test ^%' - which should
return false?
thx,
Paul B
From court3nay at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 00:54:12 2004
From: court3nay at gmail.com (Courtenay)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:54:12 -0700
Subject: [thelist] [php] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <41748EE3.4030506@web-business-pack.com>
References: <41748EE3.4030506@web-business-pack.com>
Message-ID: <4b430c8f0410182254573a20fd@mail.gmail.com>
Look at www.regexp.info -- it's an amazing resource.
I couldn't replicate your problem.
In a quick check with javascript in firefox javascript debugger (my
quick-n-dirty regexp checker) i did this:
'test ^%'.match(/^[a-zA-Z0-9 -\']+$/)
which gave a false answer.
'test 21af34 '.match(/^[a-zA-Z0-9 -\']+$/)
gave a true answer.
Also, the /i means case insensitive, so the a-zA-Z is redundant, just
a-z will do.
>From what I could see, the % can act like a URL encoding character
thingy (%20 is a space, etc) so it may not being treated as a %
symbol.
What are you actually trying to check? We might be able to
(collectively) write a better regexp!
HTH
courtenay
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:49:55 +1300, Paul Bennett
wrote:
> one day I'm going to buy that OReilly book, but until then:
>
> Can someone tell me why this check:
>
> if(preg_match("/^[a-zA-Z0-9 -\']+$/i", $value))
> {$response['name'] = true;}
>
> else {$response['name'] = false;}
>
> evaluates to true when $value is something like 'test ^%' - which should
> return false?
>
> thx,
> Paul B
>
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From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Oct 19 03:23:26 2004
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:23:26 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Aligning an image to the bottom of multiple lines of
text in CSS
In-Reply-To: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
References: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
Message-ID: <4174CEFE.2080109@neptunewebworks.com>
Roger Ly wrote:
>I can't seem to get any good alignment going.
>
>
How about modifying the markup to give elements ids or classes, like:
blah blah
CSS:
#container { position: relative; width: 500px; height:200px; border: 1px
solid #ccc; }
#myimage { position: absolute; bottom: 0; left: 0; }
#inner { position: absolute; right: 0; bottom: 0; width: 350px; }
Is that approaching what you're after? If you need #container to be an
arbitrary height according to the amount of content, you could use
floats instead, and add a "clearing element":
How about modifying the markup to give elements ids or classes, like:
blah blah
#container {border: 1px solid #ccc; width: 500px; }
#myimage { float: left; margin: 0 1em;}
#inner { float: right; width: 350px; }
.clearing { clear: both; }
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From john at johnallsopp.co.uk Tue Oct 19 03:36:12 2004
From: john at johnallsopp.co.uk (john at johnallsopp.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:36:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [thelist] marketing
In-Reply-To: <417468D4.5010305@deltatraffic.co.uk>
References: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
<417468D4.5010305@deltatraffic.co.uk>
Message-ID: <50115.82.195.101.197.1098174972.squirrel@82.195.101.197>
Hi Alex
I can't resist commenting on the dangers of meeting women in bars. But
moving on ..
> Anyway, Im thinking of rewriting my front page to reflect the above
> ideas plus something like:
> "we concentrate on core values(?) such as: good organisation, personal
> service and use of leading technology. "
I read somewhere about the 'so what' test to identify whether you've
identified a benefit or not.
"I've invented a new frying pan"
"So what?"
"It's more non stick than anything that's come before it"
"So what?"
"So when you cook fried eggs, you don't break the yolk when you're trying
to get them out, and the washing up is easier"
"ahhhhh"
A benefit is not a feature. A benefit makes a personal difference to the
buyer's life. You have to know your buyers to work out the benefits.
Try the so what test with the 'core values' you list.
Also, I'm not sure whether using 'leading' technology will persuade
anyone. For me, if you were to choose the best way to solve my problem,
I'd be happy. I was never happy with software companies that are married
to particular technologies, although I accept it's difficult not to be.
Cheers
J
From edwin at bitstorm.org Tue Oct 19 05:14:50 2004
From: edwin at bitstorm.org (Edwin Martin)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:14:50 +0200
Subject: [thelist] [php] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <41748EE3.4030506@web-business-pack.com>
References: <41748EE3.4030506@web-business-pack.com>
Message-ID: <4174E91A.7040007@bitstorm.org>
Paul Bennett wrote:
> one day I'm going to buy that OReilly book, but until then:
>
> Can someone tell me why this check:
>
> if(preg_match("/^[a-zA-Z0-9 -\']+$/i", $value))
> {$response['name'] = true;}
> else {$response['name'] = false;}
>
> evaluates to true when $value is something like 'test ^%' - which
> should return false?
A dollar-sign in a quoted string is used for variable substitution.
So, when $a is "john", the string "hello $a" would become "hello john".
Since in $/i there is no variable name after $, the $ is substituted
with nothing.
When you want to keep the dollar, you have to escape it: \$.
So the code would become:
if (preg_match("/^[a-zA-Z0-9 -\']+\$/i", $value)) {
$response['name'] = true;
} else {
$response['name'] = false;
}
(I rewrote the code to make it more readable to other programmers.)
Edwin Martin
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From cheryla at labx.com Tue Oct 19 08:05:25 2004
From: cheryla at labx.com (Cheryl Ash)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:05:25 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Streaming video
Message-ID: <858F9BD79E563F48ABA441785A8DE5C849BAD1@main.geocalm.local>
There is a program called Cleaner which can compress video very well.
Flash does stream but you might get better results with different file
formats or different codecs.
Here is the Cleaner web site; I am pretty sure it's available on Mac or
PC.
http://www.discreet.com/products/cleaner/cleaner6/
Cheryl Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris George
Sent: October 18, 2004 12:45 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Streaming video
Hi everyone,
We have a client that currently has 8 video clips ranging from 5-11 mins
on their site. The current setup is that it's in Flash (MX) as and
imported FLV (providing us decent compression, easily-skinnable
controls, and no additional plugins). However, they're between 6-12mb,
depending on the length of the clips, and the wait can get very
annoying, especially on congested DSL connections.
We're pricing out other options, one of which would be streaming. Our
host provides some packages, but they're too lightweight for what we're
looking for. We also have an rfq in to VitalStream, so that's still
pending.
My questions are:
Does anyone recommend streaming?
Is there a provider that stands out as reliable and full-featured?
Are there other solutions out there that _aren't_ streaming but that
would provide us with a similar user experience?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Chris.
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From Carolyn.Jewel at LEGACYNET.COM Tue Oct 19 08:51:29 2004
From: Carolyn.Jewel at LEGACYNET.COM (Carolyn Jewel)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:51:29 -0700
Subject: [thelist] marketing
Message-ID:
What I note is that the woman who gave you all that great advice about
marketing did not tell you to make your site "colorful and fun" for
women and "useful" for men. Alex, surely you don't believe that nonsense
about women only caring about pretty? This is a stereotype that ended up
embarrassing a lot of companies back in the bad-old 80's. They were
stunned to discover that this cherished old chestnut had earned them an
astonishing amount of ill will from women, who, it turned out, had money
to spend and were choosing to spend it somewhere else.
Carolyn Jewel
From techwriter at sound-by-design.com Tue Oct 19 09:29:50 2004
From: techwriter at sound-by-design.com (Allen Schaaf)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:29:50 -0700
Subject: [thelist] [OT - For USA] Got any special plans for November 2nd?
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041019072943.0869f6a0@mail.sound-by-design.com>
While I realize this is somewhat off-topic (we are working on communication
aren't we?), it does relate to achieving our goals over the long haul.
Sometimes life moves on without us while we are busy making other plans. I
believe that participation in the process, flawed though it may be, is
still better than sitting on our hands instead of using them.
This came from a friend. I've searched for information about the
author, but only know that it was posted to the web by a woman.
"How Women Got To Vote"
A short history lesson on the privilege of voting...
The women were innocent and defenseless. And by the
end of the night, they were barely alive. Forty
prison guards wielding clubs and their warden's
blessing went on a rampage against the 33 women
wrongly convicted of "obstructing sidewalk traffic."
They beat Lucy Burn, chained her hands to the cell
bars above her head and left her hanging for the night,
bleeding and gasping for air. They hurled Dora Lewis
into a dark cell, smashed her head against an iron bed
and knocked her out cold. Her cellmate, Alice Cosu,
thought Lewis was dead and suffered a heart attack.
Additional affidavits describe the guards grabbing,
dragging, beating, choking, slamming, pinching, twisting
and kicking the women.
Thus unfolded the "Night of Terror" on Nov. 15, 1917,
when the warden at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia
ordered his guards to teach a lesson to the
suffragists imprisoned there because they dared to
picket Woodrow Wilson's White House for the right to
vote.
For weeks, the women's only water came from an open
pail. Their food--all of it colorless slop--was infested
with worms. When one of the leaders, Alice Paul, embarked
on a hunger strike, they tied her to a chair, forced a
tube down her throat and poured liquid into her until
she vomited. She was tortured like this for weeks
until word was smuggled out to the press.
So, refresh my memory. Some women won't vote this
year because--why, exactly? We have carpool duties?
We have to get to work? Our vote doesn't matter?
It's raining?
Last week, I went to a sparsely attended screening of
HBO's new movie "Iron Jawed Angels" It is a graphic
depiction of the battle these women waged so that I
could pull the curtain at the polling booth and have
my say.
I am ashamed to say I needed the reminder.
All these years later, voter registration is still my
passion. But the actual act of voting had become less
personal for me, more rote. Frankly, voting often felt
more like an obligation than a privilege. Sometimes it
was inconvenient.
My friend Wendy, who is my age and studied women's
history, saw the HBO movie, too. When she stopped
by my desk to talk about it, she looked angry.
She was--with herself.
"One thought kept coming back to me as I watched that
movie," she said. "What would those women think of
the way I use--or don't use--my right to vote?
All of us take it for granted now, not just younger
women, but those of us who did seek to learn." The
right to vote, she said, had become valuable to her
"all over again."
HBO will run the movie periodically before releasing
it on video and DVD. I wish all history, social studies and
government teachers would include the movie in their
curriculum.
I want it shown on Bunko night, too, and anywhere else women
gather. I realize this isn't our usual idea of socializing,
but we are not voting in the numbers that we should be, and
I think a little shock therapy is in order.
It is jarring to watch Woodrow Wilson and his cronies
try to persuade a psychiatrist to declare Alice Paul
insane so that she could be permanently institutionalized.
And it is inspiring to watch the doctor refuse.
Alice Paul was strong, he said, and brave. That
didn't make her crazy. The doctor admonished the men:
"Courage in women is often mistaken for insanity."
Please pass this on to all the women you know.
We need to get out and vote and use this right that
was fought so hard for by these very courageous women.
From evoltlist at delime.com Tue Oct 19 09:40:29 2004
From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:40:29 -0400
Subject: men and women (was RE: [thelist] marketing)
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041019103927.01c491a8@mx.delime.com>
Message from Carolyn Jewel (10/19/2004 09:51 AM)
>What I note is that the woman who gave you all that great advice about
>marketing did not tell you to make your site "colorful and fun" for
>women and "useful" for men.
I couldn't help but remember this conversation from a while back. It's an
old thread, not sure why I even remembered it, but it might be useful, or
at least amusing, to someone.
http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010402/029184.html
regards.
-marc
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From dwork at macam.ac.il Tue Oct 19 09:45:32 2004
From: dwork at macam.ac.il (David Travis)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:45:32 +0200
Subject: [thelist] asp.net: using a form button as a link
In-Reply-To: <017c01c4b558$0f2578c0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Message-ID: <200410191443.i9JEhgap001293@lbmail.macam.ac.il>
Hi Casey,
You don't have to abandon HTML tags in favor of server controls. When you
need links simply use them. If the HREF's value is dynamic you can set the
anchor to run at server (runat="server") and than to set the HREF attribute
when the page loads or something.
HTH,
David.
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Casey Crookston
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:19 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] asp.net: using a form button as a link
I've got a pdf file users may want to download. How does one format a form
button to download the file?
Thanks,
Casey
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From dexilalolai at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 10:13:59 2004
From: dexilalolai at yahoo.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [thelist] [OT - For USA] Got any special plans for November 2nd?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041019072943.0869f6a0@mail.sound-by-design.com>
Message-ID: <20041019151359.64942.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Allen Schaaf wrote:
> While I realize this is somewhat off-topic (we are working on
Try /COMPLETELY/ off-topic.
There is a chat-specific list right here at evolt.org -- thechat
(http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat)
Please keep off-topic banter to that list, or at the very least "pay"
for the posting with a :)
There's a bug in VisualStudio's designer that accidentally removes
the event wireup when you toggle back and forth from Design and HTML
views (I think especially prevalent if you dragged a server control
from the toolbox). If your page "all of a sudden" stops responding to
an event it should be, check the InitializeComponent() function in
your code-behind, make sure the events are still wired up.
Thanks :)
sgd
From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Tue Oct 19 10:38:24 2004
From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:38:24 +0100
Subject: [thelist]
Admin: Re: [OT - For USA] Got any special plans for November 2nd?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041019072943.0869f6a0@mail.sound-by-design.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041019072943.0869f6a0@mail.sound-by-design.com>
Message-ID: <20041019163824.11455@polytechnic.co.uk>
On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 @645, Allen Schaaf wrote:
>While I realize this is somewhat off-topic
[snip]
No, this is very off-topic. Please help us maintain this lists high
signal-to-noise ration by refraining from posting off-topic. We have a
dedicated list, thechat, for this sort of thing.
http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat
Guidelines for thelist can be found at http://lists.evolt.org/index.php?
content=listinfo
You owe a tip please.
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From john.destefano at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 11:44:31 2004
From: john.destefano at gmail.com (John DeStefano)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:44:31 -0400
Subject: [thelist] configuring sendmail for relaying mail form data
Message-ID:
Hello,
I'm trying to use a good-looking but poorly-supported PHP form mail script
(http://www.leveltendesign.com/L10Apps/Fm/) on a FreeBSD server to
process data submitted by a Web mail form.
The installation test completed successfully, and I moved the PHP file
into my Web site. Now, when I click the submit button, I'm brought to
the 'success' page, but an email is never received. This was also the
case during the initial test, but I was brought to the default success
page.
Despite the poor support, I don't think the script itself is the
problem. The mail server queue is holding these messages with the
following error:
Deferred: 450 ..com>: Sender address rejected:
Domain not found
The FreeBSD guide's Troubleshooting section points to the Sendmail FAQ
for more information. The Sendmail FAQ on this topic contains a cycle
of links, but I get the idea that I need to configure sendmail to
route messages via my ISP's SMTP gateway, and that I need to define a
"smart host".
The most relevent FAQ entries I could find were:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail-trouble.html#Q22.5.4.
http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.22
So I added the following to /etc/mail/freebsd.mc:
FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl
FEATURE(`accept_unqualified_senders')dnl
I also created /etc/mail/relay-domains and inserted every possible
variation of domains I could think of.
I then restarted sendmail ('cd /etc/mail && make restart') and tried
the form again, but mailq showed the same 450 error.
I added the following to /etc/mail/freebsd.mc:
define('SMART_HOST', `smtp-server.rochester.rr.com')dnl
After a restart, mailq gave the same error.
Any sendmail gurus out there have thoughts on how to resolve this, or
what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks.
~John
From dudrenov at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 12:11:35 2004
From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:11:35 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Streaming video
In-Reply-To: <858F9BD79E563F48ABA441785A8DE5C849BAD1@main.geocalm.local>
References: <858F9BD79E563F48ABA441785A8DE5C849BAD1@main.geocalm.local>
Message-ID: <10c3e4e004101910115b193fa8@mail.gmail.com>
Cleaner is good, but if you are going to run cleaner on a
Mac.......... you might as well shoot yourself. I've never seen a
program chashing this much before on a Mac. Pluss Cleaner is not that
great compresion wise. The cool thing about it is that you can que in
bunch of files to be processed.
Pavel
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:05:25 -0400, Cheryl Ash wrote:
> There is a program called Cleaner which can compress video very well.
> Flash does stream but you might get better results with different file
> formats or different codecs.
>
> Here is the Cleaner web site; I am pretty sure it's available on Mac or
> PC.
>
> http://www.discreet.com/products/cleaner/cleaner6/
>
>
> Cheryl Ash
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris George
> Sent: October 18, 2004 12:45 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Streaming video
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We have a client that currently has 8 video clips ranging from 5-11 mins
> on their site. The current setup is that it's in Flash (MX) as and
> imported FLV (providing us decent compression, easily-skinnable
> controls, and no additional plugins). However, they're between 6-12mb,
> depending on the length of the clips, and the wait can get very
> annoying, especially on congested DSL connections.
>
> We're pricing out other options, one of which would be streaming. Our
> host provides some packages, but they're too lightweight for what we're
> looking for. We also have an rfq in to VitalStream, so that's still
> pending.
>
> My questions are:
>
> Does anyone recommend streaming?
>
> Is there a provider that stands out as reliable and full-featured?
>
> Are there other solutions out there that _aren't_ streaming but that
> would provide us with a similar user experience?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Chris.
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From casey at thecrookstons.com Tue Oct 19 12:31:49 2004
From: casey at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:31:49 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
Message-ID: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Hello all,
I've purchased a small application from a 3rd party vendor,
www.innovastudio.com. It's an HTML based WYSISYG editor, meant to allow
users to update their own content. It only cost $69.00 to license, and
there is no user limit.
But, I'd like some feedback on how it works in Netscape on a PC and on Macs
in any browser. I've got a demo online at: www.InternetOpus.com, then click
on Easy Edit Content Manager.
Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Casey
From evolt at mccullough-net.com Tue Oct 19 12:45:59 2004
From: evolt at mccullough-net.com (evolt at mccullough-net.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:45:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] new to servlets
Message-ID: <1098207959.417552d79cff4@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
I have an order servlet that "controls" the ordering process. I wanted to
restrict users with certain browsers from getting into the ordering process, so
I created a detect bservlet, really my first servlet. I placed the jsp tag for
the servlet on several pages and the logic to say if certain browser redirect
to hear. however I thought if I could include the servlet in the beginning of
the ordering servlet then I wouldnt have to do it on each and every page.
however I am new and not sure how to do this properly.
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From chris at logorocks.com Tue Oct 19 12:58:23 2004
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:58:23 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
References: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Message-ID: <77D2B534-21F8-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Hi Casey,
I have some bad news on the Mac front, I'm afraid. In Mac OSX 10.3.5:
Safari: doesn't display properly - fields jumbled up, text entry
doesn't work, unusable.
MSIE: this time all the controls display okay, but you can't edit or
enter any content. There is a weird radio button in the left margin
that doesn't seem to do anything. Unusable.
Mozilla: just as bad as Safari.
Lucky we Mac users are the minority!
Kind regards,
CK.
From hassan at webtuitive.com Tue Oct 19 13:09:29 2004
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:09:29 -0700
Subject: [thelist] new to servlets
In-Reply-To: <1098207959.417552d79cff4@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
References: <1098207959.417552d79cff4@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
Message-ID: <41755859.5010603@webtuitive.com>
evolt at mccullough-net.com wrote:
> I have an order servlet that "controls" the ordering process. I wanted to
> restrict users with certain browsers from getting into the ordering process, so
> I created a detect bservlet, really my first servlet. I placed the jsp tag for
> the servlet on several pages and the logic to say if certain browser redirect
> to hear. however I thought if I could include the servlet in the beginning of
> the ordering servlet then I wouldnt have to do it on each and every page.
> however I am new and not sure how to do this properly.
You want to use a Filter; see chapter 6 of the Servlet spec.
(Tomcat ships with some example Filters, BTW.)
HTH,
--
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com
dream. code.
From casey at thecrookstons.com Tue Oct 19 13:11:29 2004
From: casey at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:11:29 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
References: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
<77D2B534-21F8-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <008101c4b607$0f503ec0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Upon further review of their System Requirements, I now see that this app
only works in IE run in Windows.
Ug. Anyone know of a good, cross browser/platform tool?
Casey
----- Original Message -----
> Hi Casey,
>
> I have some bad news on the Mac front, I'm afraid. In Mac OSX 10.3.5:
>
> Safari: doesn't display properly - fields jumbled up, text entry
> doesn't work, unusable.
>
> MSIE: this time all the controls display okay, but you can't edit or
> enter any content. There is a weird radio button in the left margin
> that doesn't seem to do anything. Unusable.
>
> Mozilla: just as bad as Safari.
>
> Lucky we Mac users are the minority!
>
> Kind regards,
> CK.
From dudrenov at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 13:13:42 2004
From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:13:42 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
References: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Message-ID: <10c3e4e0041019111339b008e8@mail.gmail.com>
Does not work on Firefox on a Mac.
Does not work on Safari on a Mac.
Does not work on Netscape on a Mac.
Funny enough work perfectly on IE 5.2 for Mac which is probably the
worst browser ever.
You got ripped off in my opinion.
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:31:49 -0500, Casey Crookston
wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've purchased a small application from a 3rd party vendor,
> www.innovastudio.com. It's an HTML based WYSISYG editor, meant to allow
> users to update their own content. It only cost $69.00 to license, and
> there is no user limit.
>
> But, I'd like some feedback on how it works in Netscape on a PC and on Macs
> in any browser. I've got a demo online at: www.InternetOpus.com, then click
> on Easy Edit Content Manager.
>
> Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Casey
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
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>
From fuzzylizard at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 13:18:57 2004
From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:18:57 -0400
Subject: [thelist] new to servlets
In-Reply-To: <1098207959.417552d79cff4@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
References: <1098207959.417552d79cff4@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:45:59 -0500, evolt at mccullough-net.com
wrote:
> I have an order servlet that "controls" the ordering process. I wanted to
> restrict users with certain browsers from getting into the ordering process, so
> I created a detect bservlet, really my first servlet. I placed the jsp tag for
> the servlet on several pages and the logic to say if certain browser redirect
> to hear. however I thought if I could include the servlet in the beginning of
> the ordering servlet then I wouldnt have to do it on each and every page.
> however I am new and not sure how to do this properly.
>
Filters.
Have a look through how to set up and trigger filters. They should
allow you to do what you want done.
--
chris johnston
www.fuzzylizard.com
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we
learned to talk."
Pink Floyd
From mwarden at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 13:20:10 2004
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:20:10 -0400
Subject: [thelist] new to servlets
In-Reply-To: <1098207959.417552d79cff4@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
References: <1098207959.417552d79cff4@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
Message-ID:
You cannot "include" a servlet in another servlet. You will need to
either add the functionality as a method in the order servlet, and
call that method as the first line of doGet/doPost, or you will need
to create a (non-servlet) class for the logic and use that class in
the first line or two of doGet/doPost.
Which you do will depend on which is most appropriate design-wise.
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:45:59 -0500, evolt at mccullough-net.com
wrote:
> I have an order servlet that "controls" the ordering process. I wanted to
> restrict users with certain browsers from getting into the ordering process, so
> I created a detect bservlet, really my first servlet. I placed the jsp tag for
> the servlet on several pages and the logic to say if certain browser redirect
> to hear. however I thought if I could include the servlet in the beginning of
> the ordering servlet then I wouldnt have to do it on each and every page.
> however I am new and not sure how to do this properly.
--
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH
http://mattwarden.com
This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.
From spambait at onpointsolutions.com Tue Oct 19 13:27:13 2004
From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:27:13 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
References: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear><77D2B534-21F8-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
<008101c4b607$0f503ec0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Message-ID: <001501c4b609$41a638f0$a8fea8c0@Laptop>
> Ug. Anyone know of a good, cross browser/platform tool?
If it doesn't have to be web based, MM Contribute will do what you want and
probably considerably more. I've been working with version 2 with my clients
and they're pleased with it. I think you can get that version for around
$150, perhaps less on eBay now that version 3 is out.
-------------
Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s
www.OnPointSolutions.com
From dudrenov at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 13:38:21 2004
From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:38:21 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <008101c4b607$0f503ec0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
References: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
<77D2B534-21F8-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
<008101c4b607$0f503ec0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Message-ID: <10c3e4e004101911385f3c2e6@mail.gmail.com>
Ops Chris is right it does not work on IE for Mac also. Casey check on
hotscripts you might find something there.
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:11:29 -0500, Casey Crookston
wrote:
> Upon further review of their System Requirements, I now see that this app
> only works in IE run in Windows.
>
> Ug. Anyone know of a good, cross browser/platform tool?
>
> Casey
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > Hi Casey,
> >
> > I have some bad news on the Mac front, I'm afraid. In Mac OSX 10.3.5:
> >
> > Safari: doesn't display properly - fields jumbled up, text entry
> > doesn't work, unusable.
> >
> > MSIE: this time all the controls display okay, but you can't edit or
> > enter any content. There is a weird radio button in the left margin
> > that doesn't seem to do anything. Unusable.
> >
> > Mozilla: just as bad as Safari.
> >
> > Lucky we Mac users are the minority!
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > CK.
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>
From marcus at bristav.se Tue Oct 19 13:47:49 2004
From: marcus at bristav.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:47:49 +0200
Subject: [thelist] new to servlets
In-Reply-To:
References: <1098207959.417552d79cff4@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
Message-ID: <41756155.2070606@bristav.se>
Matt Warden wrote:
> You cannot "include" a servlet in another servlet.
Huh?
public void doGet(HttpServletRequest req, HttpServletResponse res)
throws ... {
RequestDispatcher disp = req.getRequestDispatcher("pathToOtherSerlvet");
disp.include(req, res); // you could forward as well...
}
/Marcus
From casey at thecrookstons.com Tue Oct 19 13:49:31 2004
From: casey at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:49:31 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
References: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear><77D2B534-21F8-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com><008101c4b607$0f503ec0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
<001501c4b609$41a638f0$a8fea8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <009601c4b60c$5eee6100$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Thanks, Bob.
> > Ug. Anyone know of a good, cross browser/platform tool?
>
> If it doesn't have to be web based, MM Contribute will do what you want
and
> probably considerably more. I've been working with version 2 with my
clients
> and they're pleased with it. I think you can get that version for around
> $150, perhaps less on eBay now that version 3 is out.
What does "not web based" mean? Code on the client? I'd like my clients to
log into their site from ANY computer and have the ability to update their
content.
Also, Macromedia is a solid company, but don't most of their products need
to be run on Cold Fusion?
Casey
From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com Tue Oct 19 13:54:26 2004
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:54:26 -0700
Subject: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
Message-ID: <010301c4b60d$0ea7bb00$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
I am trying to figure out how to send an HTML form to a PHP processing page,
but only post the variables for checkboxes that have changed.
The form consists of two columns of checkboxes:
Column One = name="chkIn echo $repNum; ?>" value=" echo
$repValue; ?>"
Column Two = name="chkEmail echo $repNum; ?>" value=" echo
$repValue; ?>"
The initial state of the checkbox is set via flags obtained from a web
service. So the checkboxes can be in any combination of checked or unchecked
states.
I have a JavaScript script that automatically submits the page to the PHP
processing page once a user clicks on a checkbox, unfortunately ALL the
"checked" boxes get posted to the PHP processing page.
Is there a way to ascertain which checkbox was changed, and only post that
variable?
Naming all the checkboxes the same name did not work since it always sent
the last checkbox in the list. That is why I append the $repName to the end
of the checkbox name to give it a distinct name.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
markJ
From spambait at onpointsolutions.com Tue Oct 19 13:59:58 2004
From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:59:58 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
References: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear><77D2B534-21F8-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com><008101c4b607$0f503ec0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
<001501c4b609$41a638f0$a8fea8c0@Laptop>
<009601c4b60c$5eee6100$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Message-ID: <002101c4b60d$d5087d70$a8fea8c0@Laptop>
Casey wrote:
> What does "not web based" mean? Code on the client?
Contribute is desktop software so it runs on a workstation (windows or mac).
Hence your client can't login from any old computer to edit the site. MM has
a 30 day full trial version available for download.
> Also, Macromedia is a solid company, but don't most of their products need
> to be run on Cold Fusion?
No. In fact, Contribute works best on static HTML pages not dynamic pages
(CFML, ASP, PHP, etc.). All Contribute requires to edit a remote site is an
internet connection. As for the remote server, if you can ftp login to the
web space, you can use Contribute.
HTH.
-------------
Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s
www.OnPointSolutions.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey Crookston"
To: "Bob Haroche" ;
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
> Thanks, Bob.
>
> > > Ug. Anyone know of a good, cross browser/platform tool?
> >
> > If it doesn't have to be web based, MM Contribute will do what you want
> and
> > probably considerably more. I've been working with version 2 with my
> clients
> > and they're pleased with it. I think you can get that version for around
> > $150, perhaps less on eBay now that version 3 is out.
>
>
> Casey
>
>
>
>
From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Tue Oct 19 14:03:15 2004
From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:03:15 +0100
Subject: [thelist] marketing
In-Reply-To: <27DCAFAC-21DB-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
References: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
<417468D4.5010305@deltatraffic.co.uk>
<27DCAFAC-21DB-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <417564F3.7010505@deltatraffic.co.uk>
>
yup point taken.
sorry, it is a bit chauvinist!
so what are the needs of women & men re: website presentation?
rgds,
Alex
From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Tue Oct 19 14:08:21 2004
From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:08:21 +0100
Subject: men and women (was RE: [thelist] marketing)
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20041019103927.01c491a8@mx.delime.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20041019103927.01c491a8@mx.delime.com>
Message-ID: <41756625.8010109@deltatraffic.co.uk>
>
> I couldn't help but remember this conversation from a while back. It's
> an old thread, not sure why I even remembered it, but it might be
> useful, or at least amusing, to someone.
> http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010402/029184.html
>
http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010402/029187.html
has out of date links
would a kind soul know how to access these?
Alex
From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Oct 19 14:21:15 2004
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:21:15 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
Message-ID: <441c140f0d364829b2a1247bf55a0b4e@easylistbox.com>
???This may not completely meet your needs, but assuming you're in ASP.NET, RichTextBox will downgrade for non-IE browsers.? Of course it won't give you full WYSIWYG functionality, but at least it will work.? Just a thought...
? ? From: "Casey Crookston"
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:23 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
Upon further review of their System Requirements, I now see that this app
only works in IE run in Windows.
Ug. Anyone know of a good, cross browser/platform tool?
Casey
----- Original Message -----
> Hi Casey,
>
> I have some bad news on the Mac front, I'm afraid. In Mac OSX 10.3.5:
>
> Safari: doesn't display properly - fields jumbled up, text entry
> doesn't work, unusable.
>
> MSIE: this time all the controls display okay, but you can't edit or
> enter any content. There is a weird radio button in the left margin
> that doesn't seem to do anything. Unusable.
>
> Mozilla: just as bad as Safari.
>
> Lucky we Mac users are the minority!
>
> Kind regards,
> CK.
--
* * Please support the community that supports you. * *
http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
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From tserbinski at washsq.com Tue Oct 19 14:30:26 2004
From: tserbinski at washsq.com (Theodore Serbinski)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:30:26 -0400
Subject: [thelist] which open source CMS?
Message-ID: <41756B52.1010801@washsq.com>
Hey guys!
I'm about to dive into the wonderful world of CMSs for use on a variety
of sites (hoping to simplify my life, all of my websites I create seem
to want the same CMS based functionality) and I'm looking to find what
would be the best one to use.
The features that I would need:
- platform of choice: Apache/MySQL/PHP
- total content management: static and dynamic pages
- support for blogs and/or regularly updated news sections
- calendar/event management
- user management
- contact management: view users, see contact info, etc
- photo gallery
- forum support
- possible wiki/comment access for internal writing of docs
- other basic CMS stuff for the most part, expandable in nature
- templates: XHTML/CSS would be ideal
- extensive permission controls
Based on these I did some research and found a great CMS comparison tool:
- http://www.cmsmatrix.org/
My top choices going in were Mambo and
Drupal and after comparing, Mambo came out on top.
After that, I've tried out demos for both and Mambo seems to have the
cleanest UI, something that I would be using extensively, as would
future clients, but with limited access, so usability is key.
So I think I've decided on Mambo as my CMS of choice to use on all
future projects and it seems to have the biggest user base out there.
However, the web is huge and there is so much out there, I might have
overlooked something. Additionally, without using either CMS in a
production enviroment I might have overlooked other things as well.
Does anyone have any opinions on what CMSs seemed to have worked and if
Mambo is a good choice?
Thanks!
ted
From ox4dboy at comcast.net Tue Oct 19 14:45:58 2004
From: ox4dboy at comcast.net (Jono)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:58 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Site Check: Netscape & Mac Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <008101c4b607$0f503ec0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
References: <004301c4b601$8622d9f0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
<77D2B534-21F8-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
<008101c4b607$0f503ec0$6501a8c0@Papabear>
Message-ID: <7FC0E712-2207-11D9-ACD0-000A95A59E8A@comcast.net>
On Oct 19, 2004, at 1:58 PM, Chris Kavanagh wrote:
> Lucky we Mac users are the minority!
>
> Kind regards,
> CK.
So are Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, Ferrari, Porsche, etc, etc. Strength,
not being in numbers of course.
On Oct 19, 2004, at 2:11 PM, Casey Crookston wrote:
> Ug. Anyone know of a good, cross browser/platform tool?
>
> Casey
Here's some I have been looking into. Please post if you find others.
[1] HardCore:
http://editor.hardcoreinternet.co.uk/
---> Works with Microsoft Internet Explorer (v4.0 or newer) on Windows
as well as Netscape (v7.1 or newer), Mozilla (v1.3 or newer) and
Mozilla Firefox/Firebird (v0.7 or newer) on Microsoft Windows,
Macintosh, Linux and Unix.
[2] ActivEdit 4.0
http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/
---> works with Safari
Thanks,
Jono
From jeff at jeffhowden.com Tue Oct 19 15:11:41 2004
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:11:41 -0700
Subject: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
In-Reply-To: <010301c4b60d$0ea7bb00$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <20041019192238.859.32161@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
Mark,
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Mark Joslyn
>
> Naming all the checkboxes the same name did not work
> since it always sent the last checkbox in the
> list. [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
That's not true. Checkboxes (or any form field types except radio buttons,
for that matter) that share the same name send the values of all successful
form controls to the serve as a comma-delimited list. Perhaps your PHP
processing page is doing something funky to the returned value before you
start working with it that's causing you to lose everything but the last
entry. However, I'd advise you to take a look at it again.
Jeff
------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/
From chris at logorocks.com Tue Oct 19 15:17:51 2004
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:17:51 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Gender gap [WAS: marketing]
In-Reply-To: <417564F3.7010505@deltatraffic.co.uk>
References: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
<417468D4.5010305@deltatraffic.co.uk>
<27DCAFAC-21DB-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
<417564F3.7010505@deltatraffic.co.uk>
Message-ID:
> so what are the needs of women & men re: website presentation?
If I may paraphrase Norman Rockwell: put a baby in your website.
Chicks dig babies.
If that doesn't work, try putting a bandage on the baby.
Seriously: Ogilvy carried out a big study of this back in the 90s. I
couldn't find the white paper online, but here's a starting point for
you (an article about the study):
http://www.aef.com/06/news/data/2003/2254 .
This is a topic that's gathering some steam in advertising/marketing
circles - basically because lots of gender-targeted marketing is really
clunky - I think more women coming into the industry will help.
Kind regards,
CK.
From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Oct 19 15:29:01 2004
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:29:01 -0700
Subject: [thelist] which open source CMS?
In-Reply-To: <41756B52.1010801@washsq.com>
References: <41756B52.1010801@washsq.com>
Message-ID: <4175790D.2020402@neptunewebworks.com>
Theodore Serbinski wrote:
> Does anyone have any opinions on what CMSs seemed to have worked and
> if Mambo is a good choice?
Mambo is fantastic. Very extensible, very active dev and user
community, lots of extensions. The only problem with Mambo is the
table-based layout that it produces. They're heading toward XHTML/CSS,
but it will be a while yet. In addition to Drupal some other options
include Xaraya, Xoops and Typo3. Typo3 is really cool, but very
complex. You'd need to spend time learning it. Check out
OpenSourceCMS.com if you haven't already - an essential resource. (btw
they're running Mambo...)
--
Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
Dynamic Websites and E-Commerce
NeptuneWebworks.com
voice: 541-302-1438
fax: 208-730-6504
From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com Tue Oct 19 15:49:18 2004
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:49:18 -0700
Subject: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
In-Reply-To: <20041019192238.859.32161@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
Message-ID: <010601c4b61d$1a7f1760$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
That's not true. Checkboxes (or any form field types except radio buttons,
for that matter) that share the same name send the values of all successful
form controls to the serve as a comma-delimited list. Perhaps your PHP
processing page is doing something funky to the returned value before you
start working with it that's causing you to lose everything but the last
entry. However, I'd advise you to take a look at it again.
The only way I can return all the "successful" form controls is to have all
of them use different names. If I use "chkIn" as the checkbox name for all
my checkboxes, I only receive one value - the last value.
I output the posted variable to the screen before any PHP processing was
done on it and it is only posting one variable - the last one declared.
The form is structured this: (2 columns of checkboxes)
" />
" />
checked vs. unchecked is done by checking the $repFlags variable - So my
initial form is a mixture of checkboxes that are already checked and some
that are unchecked.
If I select an unchecked checkbox, the value I return is the last of the
checked checkboxes. So I need a way to target specific checkboxes - hence
the unique names.
Any thoughts?
markJ
p.s. - thanks for the help!!
From cgeorge at basecorp.com Tue Oct 19 16:32:43 2004
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:32:43 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Forms with rounded corners
Message-ID: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B01A5B8@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
Hey all,
Has anyone seen or done forms that has round corners on text inputs
(HTML forms, not Flash ones)?
Before I completely write it off, I thought I'd toss a line out here -
one never knows!
Thanks,
Chris.
From noah at tookish.net Tue Oct 19 16:46:57 2004
From: noah at tookish.net (noah)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:46:57 -0400
Subject: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
In-Reply-To: <010601c4b61d$1a7f1760$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
References: <010601c4b61d$1a7f1760$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <41758B51.3040209@tookish.net>
Mark Joslyn wrote (19/10/2004 4:49 PM):
> The only way I can return all the "successful" form controls is to have all
> of them use different names. If I use "chkIn" as the checkbox name for all
> my checkboxes, I only receive one value - the last value.
>
> I output the posted variable to the screen before any PHP processing was
> done on it and it is only posting one variable - the last one declared.
In order to get all of the data from a series of related checkboxes in
PHP, you have to tell PHP that you're handing it an array by having the
name of the checkboxes end in "[]". For example, if your form looks like
(simplified):
Then when the page is processed, $_POST['chkIn'] will be an array of all
the checked boxes. If you omit the "[]", then $_POST['chkIn'] will
contain only the value of the last checked box.
Cheers,
Noah
From rob.smith at THERMON.com Tue Oct 19 16:49:49 2004
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:49:49 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Regular expressions in Dreamweaver (2 pieces)
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7CE97@smtmb.tmc.local>
Hi,
1) I got the Album Creator 2.1 for Dreamweaver MX and it's flipping out on
larger photo albums. This one in particular consists of about 370 photos. It
dies and says "waiting for Fireworks" when Fireworks is long finished. The
Photo Albums are not created. By any remote-not-in-this-lifetime chance, do
you know what the upper limit is?
1 Supplemental) I created the photo album the normal way and it worked fine.
2) Which leads me to regular expressions. I've got about *ehem* 370 find and
replaces to go through. However, I need to use regular expressions. I have:
DSC0024.jpg
BP16.jpg
115_1566.jpg
PICT0276.jpg
Those are the four known patterns ( !@#$.jpg)
Can someone clue me in on the regular expression to clear out that mess
between the and the ? I tried Dreamweaver's help and like all
software help systems, it was useless.
Rob Smith
From azzouzi at skynet.be Tue Oct 19 16:51:45 2004
From: azzouzi at skynet.be (ahmed)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:51:45 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Forms with rounded corners
References: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B01A5B8@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
Message-ID: <002401c4b625$d3ec2410$0100a8c0@hp>
Hi,
You can check this complete css designed form at
http://www.picment.com/articles/css/funwithforms/
A.Azzouzi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris George"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: [thelist] Forms with rounded corners
Hey all,
Has anyone seen or done forms that has round corners on text inputs
(HTML forms, not Flash ones)?
Before I completely write it off, I thought I'd toss a line out here -
one never knows!
Thanks,
Chris.
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From paul at web-business-pack.com Tue Oct 19 16:58:11 2004
From: paul at web-business-pack.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:58:11 +1300
Subject: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
In-Reply-To: <41758B51.3040209@tookish.net>
References: <010601c4b61d$1a7f1760$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
<41758B51.3040209@tookish.net>
Message-ID: <41758DF3.7080004@web-business-pack.com>
thanks Noah - I remember having this exact problem about a year ago and
couldn't remember what was done to solve it - although I knew it was
something client side...
noah wrote:
> Mark Joslyn wrote (19/10/2004 4:49 PM):
>
>> The only way I can return all the "successful" form controls is to
>> have all
>> of them use different names. If I use "chkIn" as the checkbox name
>> for all
>> my checkboxes, I only receive one value - the last value.
>>
>> I output the posted variable to the screen before any PHP processing was
>> done on it and it is only posting one variable - the last one declared.
>
>
>
> In order to get all of the data from a series of related checkboxes in
> PHP, you have to tell PHP that you're handing it an array by having
> the name of the checkboxes end in "[]". For example, if your form
> looks like (simplified):
>
>
>
> Then when the page is processed, $_POST['chkIn'] will be an array of
> all the checked boxes. If you omit the "[]", then $_POST['chkIn'] will
> contain only the value of the last checked box.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Noah
From rob.smith at THERMON.com Tue Oct 19 17:00:20 2004
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:00:20 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Forms with rounded corners
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7CE98@smtmb.tmc.local>
>Has anyone seen or done forms that has round corners on text
>inputs (HTML forms, not Flash ones)?
You might be able to simulate it with CSS. Set the border to 0px and setting
a background image of the rounded corners.
input { border: #FFF 0px; backround: url(grfx/rounded.gif) #fff; }
I was able to hide the input border completely, but the image didn't come up
correctly. If you can, I'd like to know too.
Rob
From astreight at msn.com Tue Oct 19 17:47:59 2004
From: astreight at msn.com (ANDREA STREIGHT)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:47:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked vs. unchecked boxes
Message-ID:
"Pre-selection" of boxes, boxes that are already checked prior to any user
selection, is an abomination.
Forcing options on a user violates the fundamental concept of the Web: user
empowerment and freedom to interact or not interact, power to choose, to
select on one's own initiative.
I personally am aware of no situation where "pre-selection" is ever
permissible, from the standpoints of ethics, usability, and credibility.
Thus, my advice is to do away with "pre-selection", "pre-determination",
"predestination" in anything.
I dislike it when I fill out a registration form, and choice boxes are
already checked. Are they hoping I won't care, and in a big hurry, just rush
through the form, and forget to "un-select" those pre-selections I do not
want? Some are being deceptive in this little con job.
I had a newsletter subscription form with "HTML version" pre-checked. I
clicked on "Text Version", submitted the form, then the verification message
informed me I had subscribed to both versions. Stupid, impatient, in a big
thunderous hurry me, I should have "un-selected" the HTML Version, not just
selected the Text Version. See what I mean?
Users, in every web situation I know of, resent having browser Back buttons
disabled by a site, encountering "pre-selected" options they don't want and
didn't select, being forced to spend one half hour interacting with ads,
denying or accepting offers, to get a $50 Appleby's restaurant gift card.
Take control and choices away from users, and you got yourself an old
fashioned, push-things-at-the-customer marketing disaster.
Steven Streight
STREIGHT SITE SYSTEMS
Web Usability Analysis
Web Content Writing
Online & Direct Marketing
vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com
www.VaspersTheGrate.blogspot.com *Web Usability*
www.StreightSite.blogspot.com *Mentally Correct Marketing*
www.ArtTestExplosion.blogspot.com
*Experimental Computer Art*
www.stcsig.org/usability/newsletter/0408-user-observation.html
*latest published online article*
From bedouglas at earthlink.net Tue Oct 19 18:03:39 2004
From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:03:39 -0700
Subject: [thelist] a tip for US list readers....
In-Reply-To: <20041019151359.64942.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b901c4b62f$e03def50$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>
this is off topic to the actual work issues that get dealt with...
however.
don't forget to register/vote!!!!
if you don't register/vote.. don't complain!!!
and the rest of thw world might thank you.. curse you!!!
From paul at web-business-pack.com Tue Oct 19 18:08:41 2004
From: paul at web-business-pack.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:08:41 +1300
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked vs. unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <41759E79.5020301@web-business-pack.com>
OK Andrea, I have a list of 50 options, of which a user can pick any,
all or none.
These options are saved to the db using a script like the one being
discussed.
Would you really, championing the cause of the *user*, have them
RESELECT all their options every time they wished to change ONE?
In this case preselection is mandatory, not evil
I beleive the script in question is doing the same thing - populating a
list of checkboxes based on previous selection.
This is a classic case of a kneejerk reaction to a problem that you
don't seem to have read enough about
Paul B
From b.avant at futura.net Mon Oct 18 14:38:44 2004
From: b.avant at futura.net (BILL AVANT)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:38:44 -0500
Subject: [thelist] jsp/java browser detect
References: <1098103143.4173b96789764@webmail.mccullough-net.com><4173DFF6.3030601@webtuitive.com>
<1098115737.4173ea992f223@webmail.mccullough-net.com>
Message-ID:
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] jsp/java browser detect
> What I ended up doing was writting a bean.
>
> ##############################################################
>
> package com.dynamic.logic;
>
> import java.io.Serializable;
> import javax.servlet.http.HttpServletRequest;
>
> public final class DetectBrowser implements Serializable {
>
> private HttpServletRequest request = null;
> private String useragent = null;
> private boolean netEnabled = false;
> private boolean ie = false;
> private boolean ns6 = false;
> private boolean ns7 = false;
> private boolean op = false;
> private boolean moz = false;
> private boolean ns4 = false;
>
>
> public void setRequest(HttpServletRequest req) {
> request = req;
> useragent = request.getHeader("User-Agent");
> String user = useragent.toLowerCase();
> if(user.indexOf("msie") != -1) {
> ie = true;
> } else if(user.indexOf("netscape6") != -1) {
> ns6 = true;
> } else if(user.indexOf("netscape/7") != -1) {
> ns7 = true;
> } else if(user.indexOf("opera") != -1) {
> op = true;
> } else if(user.indexOf("gecko/2004") != -1) {
> moz = true;
> } else if(user.indexOf("mozilla/4.7") != -1) {
> ns4 = true;
> }
>
> if(user.indexOf(".net clr") != -1)
> netEnabled = true;
> }
>
> public String getUseragent() {
> return useragent;
> }
>
> public boolean isNetEnabled() {
> return netEnabled;
> }
>
> public boolean isIE() {
> return ie;
> }
>
> public boolean isNS7() {
> return ns7;
> }
>
> public boolean isNS6() {
> return ns6;
> }
>
> public boolean isOP() {
> return op;
> }
>
> public boolean isMOZ() {
> return moz;
> }
>
> public boolean isNS4() {
> return ns4;
> }
> }
>
> ##############################################################
>
> to detect the user-agent string for the various browsers, Mozilla, Firefox
and
> Netscape have very similar strings, and since I wanted to allow Mozilla
and
> Firefox, it took me more trial and error to get it right.
>
> Quoting Hassan Schroeder :
>
> > evolt at mccullough-net.com wrote:
> > > What I have started to do is in my jsp page is to put in some browser
> > detection,
> > > I need to redirect based on what browser you have. So for Netscape
4.7,
> > > generation 6, earlier IE versions and so on.
> > >
> > > CODE:
#################################################################
> >
> >
> >
> > > Help :)
> >
> > with what, exactly?
> >
> > --
> > Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
> > Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com
> >
> > dream. code.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
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> >
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
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> >
>
>
>
>
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From evoltlist at delime.com Tue Oct 19 18:17:44 2004
From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:17:44 -0400
Subject: men and women (was RE: [thelist] marketing)
In-Reply-To: <41756625.8010109@deltatraffic.co.uk>
References: <4.2.0.58.20041019103927.01c491a8@mx.delime.com>
<4.2.0.58.20041019103927.01c491a8@mx.delime.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041019191617.00a7ad90@mx.delime.com>
Message from Alex Beston (10/19/2004 03:08 PM)
>>I couldn't help but remember this conversation from a while back. It's an
>>old thread, not sure why I even remembered it, but it might be useful, or
>>at least amusing, to someone.
>>http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010402/029184.html
>>
>
>http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010402/029187.html
>
>has out of date links
I dug them up using the Wayback Machine
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,11
51,548,00.html
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.thestandard.com/research/metrics/dis
play/0,2799,9999,00.html
regards.
-marc
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From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com Tue Oct 19 18:23:49 2004
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:23:49 -0700
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked vs. unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <011501c4b632$b089afd0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
"Pre-selection" of boxes, boxes that are already checked prior to any user
selection, is an abomination.
Steven Streight
STREIGHT SITE SYSTEMS
Web Usability Analysis
Web Content Writing
Online & Direct Marketing
Easy now - these are all options that have been previously selected by a
user - they are already "Pre-Selected" because it is indicating that they
have selected this option in the past.
Thanks for your concern though.
markJ
From vreeland at studioframework.com Tue Oct 19 18:23:24 2004
From: vreeland at studioframework.com (Robert Vreeland)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:23:24 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Forms with rounded corners
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7CE98@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <017001c4b632$a1b63730$6401a8c0@studioframework>
Try assigning the background image to a class like
.inputwithimage{ border: #FFF 0px; backround: url(grfx/rounded.gif) #fff; }
then set the class attribute on the input field,
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:00 PM
Subject: RE: [thelist] Forms with rounded corners
> >Has anyone seen or done forms that has round corners on text
> >inputs (HTML forms, not Flash ones)?
>
> You might be able to simulate it with CSS. Set the border to 0px and
setting
> a background image of the rounded corners.
>
> input { border: #FFF 0px; backround: url(grfx/rounded.gif) #fff; }
>
> I was able to hide the input border completely, but the image didn't come
up
> correctly. If you can, I'd like to know too.
>
> Rob
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
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From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Oct 19 18:27:46 2004
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:27:46 -0700
Subject: [thelist] a tip for US list readers.... [offlist]
In-Reply-To: <00b901c4b62f$e03def50$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>
References: <00b901c4b62f$e03def50$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>
Message-ID: <4175A2F2.90703@neptunewebworks.com>
bruce wrote:
>tip>
>don't forget to register/vote!!!!
>if you don't register/vote.. don't complain!!!
>and the rest of thw world might thank you.. curse you!!!
>/tip>
>
>
Tip spam!? Didn't this just get addressed today? While we may or may
not agree with your sentiment, *please refrain* from posting political
statements on TheList.
We have a
dedicated list, thechat, for this sort of thing.
http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat
No matter how good your underlying code is, a lot of typos and spacing
issues can add up to a negative experience for your client/end-user.
Too many typos suggests that your underlying code might also be
slipshod. For example, I recently saw a control panel interface with a
customer type listing where there were two status types "Free" and
"Payed." Many other misspellings and grammatical errors in the admin
interface really detracted from site owner's respect for the developer
who built the site.
Since developers are often slightly less polished when it comes to human
language grammar, get someone to edit your scripts' output before
letting your client/end-user see it. Even minor mistakes/typos, when
taken in aggregate, could hurt your business.
--
Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
Dynamic Websites and E-Commerce
NeptuneWebworks.com
voice: 541-302-1438
fax: 208-730-6504
From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com Tue Oct 19 18:30:07 2004
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:30:07 -0700
Subject: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
In-Reply-To: <41758B51.3040209@tookish.net>
Message-ID: <011601c4b633$915d61a0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
In order to get all of the data from a series of related checkboxes in
PHP, you have to tell PHP that you're handing it an array by having the
name of the checkboxes end in "[]".
Thanks Noah!
I have a bit of a follow-up.
I need an action to take place if the user unchecks the checkbox as well. Is
there a way to record this "unchecking" event. It seems like the checkbox
value just disappears once the item in "unchecked".
So, the user checks a checkbox - they receive emails - the user unchecks the
checkbox, then they do not receive emails.
Any insights on this.
markJ
From partyarmy at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 18:36:27 2004
From: partyarmy at gmail.com (partyarmy)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:36:27 -0700
Subject: [thelist] CSS design help.
Message-ID: <3b98efb40410191636487e675b@mail.gmail.com>
Hey guys. Having some trouble with my design at http://www.exploded.org/
Mostly incosistencies between browsers. Theres a couple, so please bear with me.
1) http://www.exploded.org/index.php
There is a gap between the bottom of the profile images and the top of
the black bar along the bottom of the page. In IE and OPERA, the gap
looks fine, but when viewed in FF, the gap is much smaller.
2) http://www.exploded.org/test.php
This one is in IE only. The three submit buttons on the page are
supposed to be aligned to the left edge of the content div that there
in. For some reason in IE, there is a 25px margin? I had been using
_margin-left:-25px, but was told that niether part of that fix is
standards compliant.
3) The whole site.
I'm looking into using scalable fonts for the entire site. Is this
accomplished by switching all my pixel font sizes to em's? What's a
good base size to start with?
Well, that's it for now. Thanks.
From astreight at msn.com Tue Oct 19 18:55:16 2004
From: astreight at msn.com (ANDREA STREIGHT)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:55:16 -0500
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked or unchecked boxes
Message-ID:
LOL, yes, I wasn't sure if I was on the same page exactly, but see, I had
just published a couple of blog posts that deal with "pre-selection", among
other common business errors, and so it was a hot issue with me.
I suppose someone could say "social" and one could wonder if you meant
"socialism" or "ice cream social".
Carry on then, as you were, don't mind me, I'm just a rabid radical user
advocate. When someone says "jump", I say,
"to my carefully researched conclusion?" and not "how high?"
Steven Streight
STREIGHT SITE SYSTEMS
Web Usability Analysis
Web Content Writing
Online & Direct Marketing
astreight at msn.com
www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com *Web Usability*
www.streightsite.blogspot.com *Mentally Correct Marketing*
www.ArtTestExplosion.blogspot.com
*Experimental Computer Art*
www.stcsig.org/usability/newsletter/0408-user-observation.html
*latest published online article*
From lists at ingenyus.net Tue Oct 19 18:56:50 2004
From: lists at ingenyus.net (Gary McPherson)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:56:50 +0100
Subject: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
In-Reply-To: <011601c4b633$915d61a0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <20041019235457.IHLY24841.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@plato>
----Original Message----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Mark Joslyn
Sent: 20 October 2004 00:30
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
>
> I have a bit of a follow-up.
>
> I need an action to take place if the user unchecks the
> checkbox as well. Is there a way to record this "unchecking"
> event. It seems like the checkbox value just disappears once the item
> in "unchecked".
>
> So, the user checks a checkbox - they receive emails - the
> user unchecks the checkbox, then they do not receive emails.
>
> Any insights on this.
>
> markJ
I think the simplest way to handle this would be to process all available
options each time that form is submitted. Create a hashtable (or the PHP
equivalent - it's not my strongest language, sorry) with every option's
value set to false by default, compare it with the form array and update all
submitted values to true. Then update each corresponding field in your
datastore to true or false accordingly. A little more work for the db, sure
- but spares you the headache of trying to trap the nebulous "unselect"
events.
Cheers,
Gary
P.S.
Take care when editing previous replies as you may confuse the Tip Harvester
when it comes across your email, including the opening tagline of Noah's tip
without the closing line.
From khurtwilliams at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 19:41:07 2004
From: khurtwilliams at gmail.com (Khurt Williams)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:41:07 -0400
Subject: [thelist] which open source CMS?
In-Reply-To: <4175790D.2020402@neptunewebworks.com>
References: <41756B52.1010801@washsq.com>
<4175790D.2020402@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <3006f9fb04101917412509a888@mail.gmail.com>
http://wordpress.org/
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:29:01 -0700, Maximillian Schwanekamp
wrote:
> Theodore Serbinski wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any opinions on what CMSs seemed to have worked and
> > if Mambo is a good choice?
>
> Mambo is fantastic. Very extensible, very active dev and user
> community, lots of extensions. The only problem with Mambo is the
> table-based layout that it produces. They're heading toward XHTML/CSS,
> but it will be a while yet. In addition to Drupal some other options
> include Xaraya, Xoops and Typo3. Typo3 is really cool, but very
> complex. You'd need to spend time learning it. Check out
> OpenSourceCMS.com if you haven't already - an essential resource. (btw
> they're running Mambo...)
>
> --
> Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
> Dynamic Websites and E-Commerce
> NeptuneWebworks.com
> voice: 541-302-1438
> fax: 208-730-6504
>
>
>
> --
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From noah at tookish.net Tue Oct 19 19:52:51 2004
From: noah at tookish.net (noah)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:52:51 -0400
Subject: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
In-Reply-To: <20041019235457.IHLY24841.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@plato>
References: <20041019235457.IHLY24841.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@plato>
Message-ID: <4175B6E3.6050901@tookish.net>
Gary McPherson wrote (19/10/2004 7:56 PM):
> I think the simplest way to handle this would be to process all available
> options each time that form is submitted.
If it's feasible, I think that Gary's is the best solution.
If you really want to compare the new options to the existing ones, you
will either have to pull the existing options from the DB when you
process the form, or you'll have to put the existing options in a hidden
field in the form itself, then turn it into an array and compare the two
arrays (the existing options vs. the new options) when the form is
processed.
Cheers,
Noah
From robertm-list at rmdesign.com Tue Oct 19 20:42:36 2004
From: robertm-list at rmdesign.com (robertm-list at rmdesign.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:42:36 -0400
Subject: [thelist] which open source CMS?
In-Reply-To: <41756B52.1010801@washsq.com>
References: <41756B52.1010801@washsq.com>
Message-ID: <51CDCA43-2239-11D9-9D7F-003065DA9D1C@rmdesign.com>
On 19-Oct-04, at 3:30 PM, Theodore Serbinski wrote:
> So I think I've decided on Mambo as my CMS of choice to use on all
> future projects and it seems to have the biggest user base out there.
Mambo is good. One possible issue, it seems to be limited to only a
couple levels of organization.. categories and sections I believe. If
you need subsections, there may be a third party plugin I don't know.
It doesn't have much in the way of photo handling capabilities. For
example, captioning a photo is not possible. There is a plugin for
Gallery.
As a graphic designer, I have to add I've only seen one Mambo website
that didn't look amateurish. There are plenty of really awful looking
templates for sale. WordPress or Movable Type aren't what you are
looking for, but they have some nicely done templates.
But overall, Mambo is easy to use and seems to be good for small
businesses and individuals.
http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ may not be entirely up to date but does a
good job of summarizing features. Most other cms sites seem to mostly
have drek posted by developers or ecstatic users.
hth
robert mcgonegal
From evoltlist at delime.com Tue Oct 19 20:44:43 2004
From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:44:43 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Can we institute a temporary spam filter?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041019195521.026d6620@mx.delime.com>
Something that catches any email with words like "vote", "elections",
"President" or any of its derivates and holds it for administrative review?
This need only exist for, I dunno, however many weeks it is till you
Americans vote.
The Internet Wayback Machine - www.archive.org - is useful for finding old
versions of sites and articles that may have changed address or been taken
offline.
--
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http://www.playyuhself.com/
From cditty at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 22:29:04 2004
From: cditty at gmail.com (Chris Ditty)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:29:04 -0500
Subject: [thelist] PHP - str_replace problem
Message-ID:
Hi all. I'm trying to do a little code snippets page for a site I am
working on. I figured it would be simple enough. I would do a
str_replace and replace the various html codes with the ascii
eqivulant. Unfortunately, it is not working as expected. Can anyone
help with this?
This is what I am using.
$snippetCode = str_replace("\n", " ", $snippet['snippetCode']);
$snippetCode = str_replace("<", ">", $snippetCode);
$snippetCode = str_replace(">", "<", $snippetCode);
$snippetCode = str_replace("&", "&", $snippetCode);
This is what is in $snippet['snippetCode'].
?>
print_r($ArrayName); ?>
This is what is showing on the web page.
?<>pre<>? print_r($ArrayName); ?<>/pre<>?
If anyone can help, it would be appreciated. Also, if you have a
quick and dirty code colorer, I would appreciate that.
Thanks
Chris
From court3nay at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 22:37:13 2004
From: court3nay at gmail.com (Courtenay)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:37:13 -0700
Subject: [thelist] marketing
In-Reply-To: <417564F3.7010505@deltatraffic.co.uk>
References: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EEB2@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
<417468D4.5010305@deltatraffic.co.uk>
<27DCAFAC-21DB-11D9-B942-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
<417564F3.7010505@deltatraffic.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4b430c8f04101920373d728c8@mail.gmail.com>
If you look at how we all evolved, it can give you some ideas. I
realise this is overly simplistic, and there's a lot of crossover, but
here it is anyway.
Men, as the hunters, survived by being very task and concept-focused.
I.e., hunting an
animal for three days.
Women (not being allowed to hunt!) were meanwhile maintaining
relationships within the group, raising children etc.
So the male audience tends more towards concepts, and female audience
towards relationships between concepts. Does that make females better
SQL coders? Don't know.
So your "Men's" site would be more about the "What". Here are the
features, this is what they can do with it. Here's what it looks
like.
Your "Women's" site is about how it helps them connect to others, and
the feelings about the site, how the site/product makes them feel.
It's more about *seduction* for female sites. Look up sites -run- by
women. How it feels, what's the experience feel like. Pictures of
people experiencing.
Sure there's cross over, but if you want hard-n-fast rules, its a good
starting point.
HTH
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:03:15 +0100, Alex Beston wrote:
>
>
> >
> yup point taken.
>
> sorry, it is a bit chauvinist!
>
> so what are the needs of women & men re: website presentation?
>
> rgds,
> Alex
>
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
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>
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From vreeland at studioframework.com Tue Oct 19 23:22:02 2004
From: vreeland at studioframework.com (Robert Vreeland)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:22:02 -0400
Subject: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
References: <20041019235457.IHLY24841.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@plato>
<4175B6E3.6050901@tookish.net>
Message-ID: <01b201c4b65c$599d8b40$6401a8c0@studioframework>
You can also set up your input fields as an array that PHP can process. In
doing so, the form will correctly post back only those items checked.
Example below:
";
}
}
?>
Robert Vreeland
Managing Partner
StudioFramework
vreeland at studioframework.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "noah"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] checked vs. unchecked checkboxes
> Gary McPherson wrote (19/10/2004 7:56 PM):
>
> > I think the simplest way to handle this would be to process all
available
> > options each time that form is submitted.
>
> If it's feasible, I think that Gary's is the best solution.
>
> If you really want to compare the new options to the existing ones, you
> will either have to pull the existing options from the DB when you
> process the form, or you'll have to put the existing options in a hidden
> field in the form itself, then turn it into an array and compare the two
> arrays (the existing options vs. the new options) when the form is
> processed.
>
> Cheers,
> Noah
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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From techwriter at sound-by-design.com Wed Oct 20 00:20:43 2004
From: techwriter at sound-by-design.com (Allen Schaaf)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:20:43 -0700
Subject: [thelist] [OT - For USA] Got any special plans for
November 2nd?
In-Reply-To: <20041019151359.64942.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041019072943.0869f6a0@mail.sound-by-design.com>
<20041019151359.64942.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041019211244.088efb90@mail.sound-by-design.com>
At 08:31 PM 10/19/04, Scott Dexter wrote:
>--- Allen Schaaf wrote:
>
> > While I realize this is somewhat off-topic (we are working on
>
>Try /COMPLETELY/ off-topic.
>
>There is a chat-specific list right here at evolt.org -- thechat
>(http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat)
>
>Please keep off-topic banter to that list, or at the very least "pay"
>for the posting with a :)
You are quite correct. I did not pay with a tip, so here it is.
/TIP ----->
Be very careful about posting any exe files that might have been created by
Windows NT, 2000, XP, or any executable file like screen savers, GIF
animations, etc., to your web site.
The reason is ADS - no, not advertising, but rather Alternate Data Streams.
They work sort of like pre-OSX Mac file in that they have two forks. There
is the visible one which is the cute greeting card or whatever and the
other is quietly installing a back door or Trojan on the computer of the
person who downloaded it.
At the very least run all files through software like .
A very good FAQ is at:
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/index.php?page=archive&id=ntfs-streams which
is the home of
They also have a bunch of other free tools on their downloads page.
--------->EndTIP/
And since I was a bad, bad boy, here is another one.
/TIP ------->
Be very careful opening Word .doc files which have macros. There is one
particular one that allows _ANY_ file on your system to be attached and
mailed back to the sender when you return the file after you open it, edit
it and save it.
It is best to avoid Word .doc files if at all possible, but a lot of people
compose e-mail in Word and mail via Outlook and have macros in their e-mail
that prevent seeing the e-mail unless you enable the macros.
I won't give the the code for the exploit here as it is too simple to do.
But I will tell you that the problem goes back until at least Word 97 and
I'm told Word 95 and Word 4.2 can do it as well.
This can be very sneaky as it can be in two point white type in a cell that
runs vertical alongside the regular text of the document.
The only real protection is opening the file in a plain text editor and
saving it again. Yes, you will the fancy stuff and you will lose the "track
changes" function, but you will have a safer computing experience as a result.
Here is the information from Microsoft about this:
>
>Links and References
>
>
>
>You can use these fields to insert AutoText entries or bookmark text, to
>insert text and graphics from other documents or applications, or to
>insert cross-references:
>
>
>Field Name Description
>
>
>
>
>AutoText
>Inserts an AutoText entry
>
>AUTOTEXTLIST
>Inserts text based on a style
>
>Hyperlink
>Opens and jumps to the specified file
>
>IncludePicture
>Inserts the specified graphic
>
>IncludeText
>Inserts the contents of another document or the contents marked by a
>bookmark in a source document
>
>Link
>Establishes a link with content from another application's file using
>object linking and embedding (OLE)
>
>NoteRef
>Inserts the number of a footnote or endnote
>
>PageRef
>Inserts the page number of a bookmark for a cross?reference
>
>Quote
>Inserts the specified text into a document
>
>Ref
>Inserts the contents marked by the specified bookmark
>
>StyleRef
>Inserts text from paragraphs that use the specified style
You may say, "So what?" but I can tell you that since certain files on a
Windoze box are consistent across most computers, like "My Documents" on
the C:\ drive, it is very easy to grab the password file off your computer
and hack it with John the Ripper offline and then use a remote access tool
that was planted with the ADS mentioned above to gain control over your
box(es) and turn it(them) into a spamhaus(en) without you even knowing it.
------> EndTIP/
And I promise I'll be better in the future. Got my lists mixed up.
Allen Schaaf
Senior Technical Writer and Documentation Developer
Certified Network Security Analyst and
Intrusion Forensics Investigator - CEH, CHFI
Papageno: "What should we say now?"
Pamina: "The truth, the truth, ...even if it is a crime."
From lists at semioticpixels.com Wed Oct 20 00:29:50 2004
From: lists at semioticpixels.com (chris)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:29:50 -0700
Subject: [thelist] marketing
In-Reply-To: <4b430c8f04101920373d728c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c4b665$d32e8550$6401a8c0@speedracer>
Is this really the intelligence level of this list?
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Courtenay
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:37 PM
To: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk; thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] marketing
If you look at how we all evolved, it can give you some ideas. I realise
this is overly simplistic, and there's a lot of crossover, but here it is
anyway.
Men, as the hunters, survived by being very task and concept-focused.
I.e., hunting an
animal for three days.
Women (not being allowed to hunt!) were meanwhile maintaining relationships
within the group, raising children etc.
So the male audience tends more towards concepts, and female audience
towards relationships between concepts. Does that make females better SQL
coders? Don't know.
So your "Men's" site would be more about the "What". Here are the features,
this is what they can do with it. Here's what it looks like. Your "Women's"
site is about how it helps them connect to others, and the feelings about
the site, how the site/product makes them feel.
It's more about *seduction* for female sites. Look up sites -run- by
women. How it feels, what's the experience feel like. Pictures of
people experiencing.
Sure there's cross over, but if you want hard-n-fast rules, its a good
starting point.
HTH
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:03:15 +0100, Alex Beston
wrote:
>
>
> >
> yup point taken.
>
> sorry, it is a bit chauvinist!
>
> so what are the needs of women & men re: website presentation?
>
> rgds,
> Alex
>
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and
> archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web,
> evolt !
>
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From hassan at webtuitive.com Wed Oct 20 01:20:44 2004
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:20:44 -0700
Subject: [thelist] PHP - str_replace problem
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <417603BC.5020706@webtuitive.com>
Chris Ditty wrote:
> Hi all. I'm trying to do a little code snippets page for a site I am
> working on. I figured it would be simple enough. I would do a
> str_replace and replace the various html codes with the ascii
> eqivulant.
> $snippetCode = str_replace("\n", " ", $snippet['snippetCode']);
> $snippetCode = str_replace("<", ">", $snippetCode);
> $snippetCode = str_replace(">", "<", $snippetCode);
> $snippetCode = str_replace("&", "&", $snippetCode);
>
> This is what is in $snippet['snippetCode'].
> ?>
print_r($ArrayName); ?>
>
> This is what is showing on the web page.
> ?<>pre<>? print_r($ArrayName); ?<>/pre<>?
Uh, isn't that what you've told it to create? :-)
'<' gets turned into '<' which is then turned into '<' *
Might want to consider the order of those replacement statements!
(*Note: < is actually lt and > is gt)
HTH,
--
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com
dream. code.
From ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Oct 20 02:35:41 2004
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:35:41 +1000
Subject: [thelist] [OT - For USA] Got any special plans for November 2nd?
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041019072943.0869f6a0@mail.sound-by-design.com>
<20041019151359.64942.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com>
<000201c4b665$fb8e0fc0$0500a8c0@kjhome.local>
Message-ID: <006c01c4b677$67f772d0$9600a8c0@corp.avanade.org>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Schaaf"
Subject: Re: [thelist] [OT - For USA] Got any special plans for November
2nd?
> /TIP ----->
> Be very careful about posting any exe files that might
> have been created by Windows NT, 2000, XP, or any
> executable file like screen savers, GIF animations, etc.,
> to your web site.
>
> The reason is ADS - no, not advertising, but rather
> Alternate Data Streams. They work sort of like pre-OSX
> Mac file in that they have two forks. There is the visible
> one which is the cute greeting card or whatever and the
> other is quietly installing a back door or Trojan on the
> computer of the person who downloaded it.
>
> At the very least run all files through software
> like .
a) I don't see the concern with placing .exe files onto your /own/ website.
Presumably, if you have the files you know they are safe. The question is
whether it's safe for you to download files from someone else's website
b) The article linked is incorrect in stating that most security software is
incapable of scanning ADS (whilst that may have been true when the words are
written, I've been assured by people in the AV industry that this is no
longer the case). Every major AV program is now capable of scanning ADS in
files as you access them. Keep your AV up-to-date.
Cheers
Ken
From lists at neptunewebworks.com Wed Oct 20 02:46:05 2004
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:46:05 -0700
Subject: [thelist] PHP - str_replace problem
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <417617BD.50309@neptunewebworks.com>
Chris Ditty wrote:
>Hi all. I'm trying to do a little code snippets page for a site I am
>working on. I figured it would be simple enough. I would do a
>str_replace and replace the various html codes with the ascii
>eqivulant. Unfortunately, it is not working as expected. Can anyone
>help with this?
>
>If anyone can help, it would be appreciated. Also, if you have a
>quick and dirty code colorer, I would appreciate that.
>
>
The usual way to quote code snippets is to use one of PHP's handy
functions, htmlspecialchars() or htmlentities(). There's also
highlight_string() and highlight_file() for displaying source code with
simple syntax coloring. Note that the two highlight_ functions by
default output rough markup, with font tags and all. But you did say
quick and dirty!
$escaped
";
?>
OR
$escaped
";
?>
HTH!
Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
Dynamic Websites and E-Commerce
NeptuneWebworks.com
voice: 541-302-1438
fax: 208-730-6504
From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Wed Oct 20 07:10:09 2004
From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:10:09 +0100
Subject: Admin: Re: [thelist] Can we institute a temporary spam filter?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20041019195521.026d6620@mx.delime.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20041019195521.026d6620@mx.delime.com>
Message-ID: <20041020131009.5664@polytechnic.co.uk>
On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 @114, M. Seyon wrote:
>Something that catches any email with words like "vote", "elections",
>"President" or any of its derivates and holds it for administrative review?
>This need only exist for, I dunno, however many weeks it is till you
>Americans vote.
I don't know whether we'll need to go down that route just yet, I'll be
keeping an extra close eye on list traffic in the next couple of weeks
and hope to head off any OT posts before they escalate.
But as a friendly reminder people; this is a *worldwide* (not just the
U.S.A) list for web development, please stay on topic. We have a list for
anything not web development at http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/
thechat
I'm CC'ing the sysadmin list in on this and we'll see what the other
admins think about the filter idea.
Did you know that you can download and install a local copy of the W3C
HTML validator (local webserver and Perl required):
http://validator.w3.org/docs/install.html
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Play : http://polytechnic.co.uk
Learn : http://evolt.org
From joel at spinhead.com Wed Oct 20 08:10:21 2004
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:10:21 -0700
Subject: maintaining signal to noise ratioRE: [thelist] marketing
Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4616DE1@ireland.spinhead.com>
> Is this really the intelligence level of this list?
If you disagree with something, feel free to post specific points in
rebuttal, or to make other professional commentary rather than making
vague negative one-line comments on top of an untrimmed reply (there
were *three* footers in that message.)
spinhead
From bedouglas at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 09:10:05 2004
From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:10:05 -0700
Subject: [thelist] a tip for US list readers.... [offlist]
In-Reply-To: <4175A2F2.90703@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <016901c4b6ae$800b3780$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>
get a grip...
learn to smile/see the humour... "political spam..!!!".. yeah i guess..don't
tie your panties so tight!
enjoy your day/night...
peace!
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Maximillian
Schwanekamp
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 4:28 PM
To: bedouglas at earthlink.net; TheList at Evolt
Subject: Re: [thelist] a tip for US list readers.... [offlist]
bruce wrote:
>tip>
>don't forget to register/vote!!!!
>if you don't register/vote.. don't complain!!!
>and the rest of thw world might thank you.. curse you!!!
>/tip>
>
>
Tip spam!? Didn't this just get addressed today? While we may or may
not agree with your sentiment, *please refrain* from posting political
statements on TheList.
We have a
dedicated list, thechat, for this sort of thing.
http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat
No matter how good your underlying code is, a lot of typos and spacing
issues can add up to a negative experience for your client/end-user.
Too many typos suggests that your underlying code might also be
slipshod. For example, I recently saw a control panel interface with a
customer type listing where there were two status types "Free" and
"Payed." Many other misspellings and grammatical errors in the admin
interface really detracted from site owner's respect for the developer
who built the site.
Since developers are often slightly less polished when it comes to human
language grammar, get someone to edit your scripts' output before
letting your client/end-user see it. Even minor mistakes/typos, when
taken in aggregate, could hurt your business.
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From mail at kannerkreative.com Wed Oct 20 09:08:53 2004
From: mail at kannerkreative.com (ellen kanner)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:08:53 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Regular expressions
Message-ID: <930646F2-22A1-11D9-A4F5-000A95DBA700@kannerkreative.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:49:49 -0500
From: Rob Smith
Subject: [thelist] Regular expressions in Dreamweaver (2 pieces)
Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org"
Message: 8
Hi,
1) I got the Album Creator 2.1 for Dreamweaver MX and it's flipping out
on
larger photo albums. This one in particular consists of about 370
photos. It
dies and says "waiting for Fireworks" when Fireworks is long finished.
The
Photo Albums are not created. By any remote-not-in-this-lifetime
chance, do
you know what the upper limit is?
1 Supplemental) I created the photo album the normal way and it worked
fine.
2) Which leads me to regular expressions. I've got about *ehem* 370
find and
replaces to go through. However, I need to use regular expressions. I
have:
DSC0024.jpg
BP16.jpg
115_1566.jpg
PICT0276.jpg
Those are the four known patterns ( !@#$.jpg)
Can someone clue me in on the regular expression to clear out that mess
between the and the ? I tried Dreamweaver's help and like all
software help systems, it was useless.
Rob Smith
------------------------------
Hi Rob,
Sorry, I get this in digest form and am a little behind on the reading.
If you haven't found your solution yet, try using greps to clean out
code.
I use it in GoLive and BBEdit - I believe it will work as a regular
expression in Dreamweaver too.
Try
[^>]*
where [^>]* is the magic device.
ellen
... ... ... ... ... ...
ellen kanner
603.448.1138
603.398.3554 (c)
www.kannerkreative.com
From court3nay at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 10:17:37 2004
From: court3nay at gmail.com (Courtenay)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:17:37 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Javascript/mozilla mouseup event weirdness
Message-ID: <4b430c8f041020081763d36f5c@mail.gmail.com>
I'm doing a drag-n-drop operation by using onclick, onmousemove and onmouseup.
The user can 'trash' an image by dragging it out of its container div.
(the image is removed with removeChild) If the container div is then
empty, it is also removed from the page.
Here's the problem: when you remove the container, mozilla decides
that you are, in fact, dragging, and starts highlighting text. Any
ideas on stopping the event propagation?
(this does not occur in IE, and does not occur when you remove the
dragged image)
I can post code if it helps, but I'm sure there's a one-line solution.
I think the key is, that because there's no current event to work
with, mozilla kinda jumps up a level, and assumes you've been trying
to hilight text.. how would I break out of the event cycle?
TIA
From dsbrady at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 10:27:03 2004
From: dsbrady at gmail.com (Scott Brady)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:27:03 -0600
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked vs. unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4bfd146804102008277b8e3b8@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:47:59 -0500, ANDREA STREIGHT wrote:
> "Pre-selection" of boxes, boxes that are already checked prior to any user
> selection, is an abomination.
>
> Forcing options on a user violates the fundamental concept of the Web: user
> empowerment and freedom to interact or not interact, power to choose, to
> select on one's own initiative.
>
> I personally am aware of no situation where "pre-selection" is ever
> permissible, from the standpoints of ethics, usability, and credibility.
So, if the option was "Do not send me marketing e-mail" it should be
left unchecked?
There are times when checking a box by default makes sense. Yes, my
example could have been worded "Send me marketing e-mail" and to have
it unchecked by default would have the same effect. But is my example
really an "abomination"? Somehow I don't think so. If it were, would
that be found in the Book of Romans or Corinthians?
Scott
--
-----------------------------------------
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/
From rob.smith at THERMON.com Wed Oct 20 10:27:02 2004
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:27:02 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Regular expressions
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7CE9B@smtmb.tmc.local>
Try
[^>]*
Neat!
I ended up using (\w+)\.jpg
Rob
From john at userfrenzy.com Wed Oct 20 10:41:57 2004
From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:41:57 +0100
Subject: [thelist] ADMIN: Clarification about what's off-topic on thelist
Message-ID: <41768745.9020107@userfrenzy.com>
If it's not about web development, you don't want to be posting
it here.
More specifically, we're going to be watching like crazy to make
sure that, in particular, no threads AT ALL regarding a
forthcoming event on November 2nd in the United States are
permitted to get traction here.
As mentioned before, we have an entire list dedicated to the
off-topic which you can join here:
http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat
Thanks in advance for your co-operation - but I'll add that if we
don't get that co-operation, we'll start robomoderating thelist.
John Handelaar
on behalf of evolt.org
From evolt at muinar.com Wed Oct 20 10:50:34 2004
From: evolt at muinar.com (Mike)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:50:34 +0200
Subject: [thelist] marketing
In-Reply-To: <000801c4b665$d32e8550$6401a8c0@speedracer>
References: <4b430c8f04101920373d728c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20041020173632.0215bbe0@mail.muinar.com>
At 22:29 19.10.2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Is this really the intelligence level of this list?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Courtenay
>
>If you look at how we all evolved, it can give you some ideas. I realise
>this is overly simplistic, and there's a lot of crossover, but here it is
>anyway.
There's surely a difference. Look at car ads: Men are driving lonesomely
through vast countries and over rough mountain passes (--> freedom, hunt,
struggling through). Whilest women adore their baby-faced, en-vogue city
cars that make them look beautful and give them social standing.
Or maybe the advertisers are all wrong... though, to me, the first version
is much more appealing :)
Mike
_____ mike s. krischker http://webdesign-schweiz.ch/
webpro mailing list http://webdesign-list.com/
flashpro mailing list http://flash-list.com/
From martin at easyweb.co.uk Wed Oct 20 11:22:58 2004
From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:22:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [thelist] Website in Multiple Languages
Message-ID: <34916.141.122.9.173.1098289378.squirrel@141.122.9.173>
Bob asked:
> As a general matter, what methods are used to present content in
> multiple languages? I was thinking some sort of CMS where the data is
> stored in a db and translated "on the fly" into the appropriate
> language -- but I'm new to this area.
Hi Bob
You have 2 levels of problem here:
1) Translating and storing the info
This breaks down into
a) What info?
You have both the page content, and all the labels that go around it - stuff
like navigation, instructions ("Search") etc. For the labels, you'd usually have
a dictionary for each language, so navigation label 1234 is "Search" in English and
"Rechercher" en Francais. You may also need to go to different levels for language
differentiation: EN_GB, EN_US etc.
Don't forget images too!
Take a look at how (for example) ZenCart does it.
For the page content, you'll need to store the manually translated content in
all your multiple languages for each content asset - each page with all its
data items.
As has previously been mentioned, machine translation really, really doesn't
work if you want to effectively communicate. Not only are there the issues of
machine translators not understanding what you mean, but also the problem of
nuance and idiom. Even between versions of English, there are significant risks
of misunderstanding - I forget the phrase, but I've worked on a project where
the exact same words meant *diametrically opposite* things in US and UK English.
2) Presenting the info
Next you need to work out which info to present to the user, and how.
Browsers are pretty good at telling servers what the user's preferred language
is. Right now, I'm in French Switzerland, in a client environment. My client
provided PC has default browser prefs to request French. My laptop (on which
I'm typing) is set to UK English. When I visit my own website, the interface
(ie all the labels, helptext and so on) are in French on one machine, and
English on the other, automagically.
If I had multilingual content too, that would also localise.
You might want to think about the costs & benefits of allowing users to
set a preference without mucking about in the browser. That could be a
simple cookie thing, or if you have user registration, then an explicit
user preference.
But there's a fun problem specifically with the interface, particularly
with tightly defined non-liquid layouts that take into account given
lengths of nav text: the same information is a different size in different
language. German in particular tends to be significantly longer than the
English equivalent.
Also, if you're in different language, you'll need to play the characterset
game. Not every language (actually, very few) will display nicely in ASCII.
Even among single byte, left-to-right languages, you've got a whole range
of fun accents and non-ASCII characters. Google for ISO 8859 for more...
To be honest, many CMSs (particularly OSS ones used in multiple countries)
will handle this for you out of the box. Otherwise, it's a Hard Thing to
code from scratch.
Cheers
Martin
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From joshua at waetech.com Wed Oct 20 11:37:18 2004
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:37:18 -0400
Subject: [thelist] HELP... File conversion needed
Message-ID:
Help needed... This is way off topic but I'm in a bind...
I need help converting some BDB files (MS Works Database) to something more
portable, such as Excel, CSV, whatever. I'm hoping it's as simple as get
file, open it, save as, email back to me.
Please email me offlist if you can help.
Sometimes SQL Server will seem to not work on Port 1433 even though every
setting you see implies that it should work... The network libraries are
installed, the TCP/IP protocol is set up, etc.
Use "netstat.exe -an" to confirm nothing is listening on port 1433.
Then, open up regedit and go to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSSQLServer\MSSQLServer\SuperSocketNet
Lib\Tcp
Make sure TcpDynamicPorts is blank
Make sure TcpHideFlag is 0
Make sure TcpPort is 1433
If they don't match the above, make the changes. Stop and restart sql.
Use netstat -an and confirm that the server is listening on TCP
0.0.0.0:1433.
Maybe, just maybe, your problems will be fixed.
<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168
From khurtwilliams at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 11:38:19 2004
From: khurtwilliams at gmail.com (Khurt Williams)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:38:19 -0400
Subject: [thelist] which open source CMS?
In-Reply-To: <51CDCA43-2239-11D9-9D7F-003065DA9D1C@rmdesign.com>
References: <41756B52.1010801@washsq.com>
<51CDCA43-2239-11D9-9D7F-003065DA9D1C@rmdesign.com>
Message-ID: <3006f9fb0410200938968196e@mail.gmail.com>
See also http://www.opencms.org/opencms/en/
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:42:36 -0400, robertm-list @ rmdesign. com
wrote:
> On 19-Oct-04, at 3:30 PM, Theodore Serbinski wrote:
> > So I think I've decided on Mambo as my CMS of choice to use on all
> > future projects and it seems to have the biggest user base out there.
>
> Mambo is good. One possible issue, it seems to be limited to only a
> couple levels of organization.. categories and sections I believe. If
> you need subsections, there may be a third party plugin I don't know.
>
> It doesn't have much in the way of photo handling capabilities. For
> example, captioning a photo is not possible. There is a plugin for
> Gallery.
>
> As a graphic designer, I have to add I've only seen one Mambo website
> that didn't look amateurish. There are plenty of really awful looking
> templates for sale. WordPress or Movable Type aren't what you are
> looking for, but they have some nicely done templates.
>
> But overall, Mambo is easy to use and seems to be good for small
> businesses and individuals.
>
> http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ may not be entirely up to date but does a
> good job of summarizing features. Most other cms sites seem to mostly
> have drek posted by developers or ecstatic users.
> hth
>
> robert mcgonegal
>
>
>
> --
>
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From court3nay at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 12:12:36 2004
From: court3nay at gmail.com (Courtenay)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:12:36 -0700
Subject: [thelist] marketing
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20041020173632.0215bbe0@mail.muinar.com>
References: <4b430c8f04101920373d728c8@mail.gmail.com>
<000801c4b665$d32e8550$6401a8c0@speedracer>
<5.0.0.25.2.20041020173632.0215bbe0@mail.muinar.com>
Message-ID: <4b430c8f0410201012183751fa@mail.gmail.com>
:) As the relationship-based males breed more, and concept-based males
breed less, the stereotype of 'male' personality becomes less
relevant.
In terms of web design, it becomes less and less important to
differentiate. However, you have 3,000 generations or so before its
really noticable...
Anyway, the key is building it into your whole site structure. Have
entirely different site structures for the different personality
types. Get to one version with emo/relationship words in the links...
get to the other with 'concept' words. The link with the picture of
the baby goes to guess where!
Incidentally, there's a group of 'rebels' in South America (FARC, if
you're interested) who self-govern (much to the government's dismay)
but have succeeded in bringing law and order to their whole region--
their success is due, in part, to only allowing females to become
regional/village leaders -- ostensibly because they are good at
maintaining relationships, whereas the males are the farmers, or
soldiers, etc, who go out and shoot at the government troops.
My point? It's not just a dumb theory I cooked up in some delusional moment!
> There's surely a difference. Look at car ads: Men are driving lonesomely
> through vast countries and over rough mountain passes (--> freedom, hunt,
> struggling through). Whilest women adore their baby-faced, en-vogue city
> cars that make them look beautful and give them social standing.
How does it *feel* as opposed to how can you *use it*..
From rob.smith at THERMON.com Wed Oct 20 12:38:09 2004
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:38:09 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Poll my audience's Resolution?
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7CE9D@smtmb.tmc.local>
Is there any way to poll and record my audiences screen resolution?
Muchos Gracias amigos,
Rob Smith
From astreight at msn.com Wed Oct 20 12:47:30 2004
From: astreight at msn.com (ANDREA STREIGHT)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:47:30 -0500
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked or unchecked boxes
Message-ID:
Scott Brady:
I repeat: I said I personally know of no situation where a box could
legitimately be "pre-checked", but I'm not Omniscient, so there may indeed
be a permissible context.
I still have not heard or seen any.
Yes--"check here to receive newsletter" is vastly superior to "uncheck here
to not receive newsletter".
Would you like to go shopping at the grocery store, and all the carts are
"pre-filled" with several items the store thinks most people should want to
buy?
Would you like to have your spouse "pre-selected" and you have to divorce
the person to "un-select" them?
Would you like to have your TV programs "pre-selected"? Your government
officials, from top to bottom?
All the marketing gurus I know of, including me, state that consumers
appreciate and seek choice. It's *almost* always better to offer *multiple*
versions of products, rather than "one size (and color) fits all".
See: in every case, I question--why are you "pre-selecting" for me? I
suspect that this is wide open for con artists to hope you are in a hurry,
as the majority of web users are, so you may neglect, in your hurry, to
"un-check" the option.
Sweepstakes promoters, junk mail distributors, etc. have been trying scams
like this for ages, and it took legislation to stop them. Of course these
slugs just stoop to newer levels of lowness and use a different ploy until
the law comes down on it.
If anyone out there knows a legit reason to "pre-select", other than the
specific case originally mentioned, which is very different from what I
thought it was, I'd be pleased to hear about it.
I know that even the most universal rules often have some exceptions to
them. By knowing the exceptions, we gain deeper wisdom.
Steven Streight
STREIGHT SITE SYSTEMS
Web Usability Analysis
Web Content Writing
Online & Direct Marketing
astreight at msn.com
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From mr.sanders at designshift.com Wed Oct 20 13:16:09 2004
From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:16:09 -0300
Subject: [thelist] Poll my audience's Resolution?
In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7CE9D@smtmb.tmc.local>
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7CE9D@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <4176AB69.5090006@designshift.com>
On 10/20/2004 2:38 PM Rob Smith wrote:
> Is there any way to poll and record my audiences screen resolution?
>
> Muchos Gracias amigos,
>
> Rob Smith
I don't think there's any sure-fire 100% way to do this, but you may
want to try this method previously mentioned on thelist:
http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20040524/159605.html
HTH
--
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Portfolio :: http://sarah.designshift.com
Blog :: http://hardedge.ca
Family :: http://geekjock.ca
From Warren.Vail at schwab.com Wed Oct 20 13:19:05 2004
From: Warren.Vail at schwab.com (Vail, Warren)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:19:05 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Poll my audience's Resolution?
Message-ID: <72138202E59CD6118E960002A52CD9D2178E2A4A@n1025smx.nt.schwab.com>
JavaScript?
http://iedeveloper.net/a/FAQdetect1.php
Warren Vail
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rob Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:38 AM
To: Thelist (E-mail)
Subject: [thelist] Poll my audience's Resolution?
Is there any way to poll and record my audiences screen resolution?
Muchos Gracias amigos,
Rob Smith
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From rich at richpoints.com Wed Oct 20 13:19:00 2004
From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:19:00 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Poll my audience's Resolution?
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7CE9D@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <05ab01c4b6d1$45e67dd0$560ba8c0@LAPCHICKEN>
> Is there any way to poll and record my audiences screen resolution?
>
This is not exactly what you asked for but it may be of help
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
cheers
Rich
From chris at logorocks.com Wed Oct 20 13:22:17 2004
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:22:17 +0100
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked vs. unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To: <4bfd146804102008277b8e3b8@mail.gmail.com>
References:
<4bfd146804102008277b8e3b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
> There are times when checking a box by default makes sense. Yes, my
> example could have been worded "Send me marketing e-mail" and to have
> it unchecked by default would have the same effect. But is my example
> really an "abomination"? Somehow I don't think so. If it were, would
> that be found in the Book of Romans or Corinthians?
Maybe not an abomination, but something kinda close. Jakob Nielsen
wrote an Alertbox on this:
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040927.html
His guideline 7 is particularly relevant:
> 7. Use positive and active wording for checkbox labels, so that it's
> clear what will happen if the user turns on the checkbox. In other
> words, avoid negations such as "Don't send me more email," which would
> mean that the user would have to check the box in order for something
> not to happen.
> ? Write checkbox labels so that users know both what will happen if
> they check a particular box, and what will happen if they leave it
> unchecked.
> ? If you can't do this, it might be better to use two radio buttons
> -- one for having the feature on, and one for having it off -- and
> write clear labels for each of the two cases.
Not following this guideline is only one step from actively tricking
the user ("Check here to not not receive some annoying spam").
Kind regards,
CK.
From noah at tookish.net Wed Oct 20 13:23:59 2004
From: noah at tookish.net (noah)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:23:59 -0400
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked or unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4176AD3F.6060106@tookish.net>
ANDREA STREIGHT wrote (20/10/2004 1:47 PM):
> I repeat: I said I personally know of no situation where a box could
> legitimately be "pre-checked", but I'm not Omniscient, so there may indeed
> be a permissible context.
>
> I still have not heard or seen any.
If the user has previously selected certain options, and the selected
options are currently stored in a database or elsewhere, and the form in
question is a "modify options" form, then it's perfectly reasonable, and
I think preferable, for the options that were previously selected to be
pre-checked.
I think that this is the situation that was previously described. If
not, it's still a legitimate reason for pre-checking checkboxes.
Cheers,
Noah
From court3nay at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 13:36:08 2004
From: court3nay at gmail.com (Courtenay)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:36:08 -0700
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked or unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4b430c8f04102011367c1db7f3@mail.gmail.com>
Ok, I'm coding one right now. Do you have a better way? :)
"Edit Your Existing Viewing Preferences"
"Please select all the options you wish to display on your start page"
Current selection prefs are checked.
Yes, I'm kinda cheating.. the selections are based on previous
choices. But preselection, nevertheless.
> Would you like to go shopping at the grocery store, and all the carts are
> "pre-filled" with several items the store thinks most people should want to
> buy?
If it was intelligent, and based on MY preferences, yes. I buy the
same cereal, vegetables etc every week. Boring I know, but easy.
Would save a bunch of time! It's not about what 'most' people want,
its about what 'I' want, and if I could set that up so it was a
regular thing, great!
I don't know how you can apply this to websites
> If anyone out there knows a legit reason to "pre-select", other than the
> specific case originally mentioned, which is very different from what I
> thought it was, I'd be pleased to hear about it.
I think it comes down to your page's wording as well.
Example form
Create a new photo category
Name [ text box ]
[ x ] Upload my photos here by default
Its checked if there are no existing categories, or if other
categories have over 100 photos in them, or some other criteria.
I think the '... by default' is a strong case for it.
Also, if you recommend something, like,
[ x ] force me to login every time (recommended)
This option could be done with a button, redirecting to another form, etc.
You could, however, change the wording
[ ] allow unsecured login
means kinda the same thing, however, some people like to use positive
wording, and often the meaning is clearer if there's a checkbox to
tick. and if 99% of people are tickin' it, then, tick it for them!
From dsbrady at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 13:42:43 2004
From: dsbrady at gmail.com (Scott Brady)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:42:43 -0600
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked or unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4bfd146804102011426415c4d7@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:47:30 -0500, ANDREA STREIGHT wrote:
> If anyone out there knows a legit reason to "pre-select", other than the
> specific case originally mentioned, which is very different from what I
> thought it was, I'd be pleased to hear about it.
For me, it depends on if I think that most people viewing the page
will check the box or not. If it's a situation where I can reasonably
(and ethically) presume that most people will want a box checked, if I
pre-select the box, I save most of my users a click. (If I know that
most of my users want HTML e-mail [say I've polled them], then in
their profile, I may have "Send e-mail in HTML format" pre-checked, so
that most of my users won't have to check it.")
Yes, it can be used inethically. But, if you reverse the wording,
leaving a box unchecked can also be unethical.
Personally, I don't see how leaving it pre-checked or unchecked
removes the choice from the user. If they're not paying attention,
they can get just as screwed from an unchecked box as they can from a
checked box.
The important part isn't whether the box is checked or unchecked --
it's what checking/unchecking that box actually represents.
Scott
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From cditty at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 14:39:19 2004
From: cditty at gmail.com (Chris Ditty)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:39:19 -0500
Subject: [thelist] PHP - str_replace problem
In-Reply-To: <417617BD.50309@neptunewebworks.com>
References:
<417617BD.50309@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID:
Thanks. The highlight_string is exactly what I needed.
Hassan, yea, I keep getting those backwards. Always have. I guess
the brain cells that control that memory have long since burned out.
:)
From ron.luther at hp.com Wed Oct 20 15:17:36 2004
From: ron.luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:17:36 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Poll my audience's Resolution?
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060861B7CB@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>
Rob Smith asked:
>>Is there any way to poll and record my audiences screen resolution?
Hi Rob,
I'd recommend Aardvark's classic 2-part article:
http://www.evolt.org/article/Real_World_Browser_Size_Stats_Part_I/17/2295/index.html
http://www.evolt.org/article/Real_World_Browser_Size_Stats_Part_II/20/2297/index.html
HTH,
RonL.
From headlemur at lemurzone.com Wed Oct 20 15:28:02 2004
From: headlemur at lemurzone.com (the head lemur)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:28:02 -0700
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked vs. unchecked boxes
References:
<4bfd146804102008277b8e3b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003501c4b6e3$4c5fe180$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>
> > "Pre-selection" of boxes, boxes that are already checked prior to any
user
> > selection, is an abomination.
I agree. My language selection would be a bit saltier, See Below...
> There are times when checking a box by default makes sense.
There are no times/zero/zip/nada when having a check box prechecked makes a
n y sense.
Let's review.
A check box is a form element. Usage of a checkbox implies that you have
made a decision to gather information from a visitor whom you hope the
client will turn into a sale, which is the whole point of using a form. Or
at least that is the theory. It allows you the ability to offer the client's
customer a series of choices, of which none, some or all can be checked.
This has it's perils, and is outside of this discussion.
If it is not a choice why is it being offered?
By attempting to use pre-select options you have failed to provide the
client and their customers with the ability to make decisions.
And in a lot of cases abandonment of the customer's interest, which looses
the opportunity for the client to make a sale. Which will impact your bottom
line.
the head lemur
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Community: http://www.evolt.org
From Anthony at Baratta.com Wed Oct 20 15:40:53 2004
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:40:53 -0700
Subject: [thelist] HELP... File conversion needed
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041020134032.0bb711e0@maditalian.baratta.com>
At 09:37 AM 10/20/2004, Joshua Olson wrote:
>I need help converting some BDB files (MS Works Database) to something more
>portable, such as Excel, CSV, whatever. I'm hoping it's as simple as get
>file, open it, save as, email back to me.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q197894
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"Some days it's just not worth chewing through
the leather straps to get up in the morning."
- Emo Phillips
From joshua at waetech.com Wed Oct 20 15:47:29 2004
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:47:29 -0400
Subject: [thelist] HELP... File conversion needed
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041020134032.0bb711e0@maditalian.baratta.com>
Message-ID:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Baratta
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:41 PM
>
> At 09:37 AM 10/20/2004, Joshua Olson wrote:
>
> >I need help converting some BDB files (MS Works Database) to
> something
> >more portable, such as Excel, CSV, whatever. I'm hoping
> it's as simple
> >as get file, open it, save as, email back to me.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q197894
Anthony,
Great link.
But...
Step 1. Open the database in Works.
Herein lies the problem. I don't have Works. Perhaps *somebody* can help
me out here?
:-)
<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168
From dsbrady at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 15:43:29 2004
From: dsbrady at gmail.com (Scott Brady)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:43:29 -0600
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked vs. unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To: <003501c4b6e3$4c5fe180$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>
References:
<4bfd146804102008277b8e3b8@mail.gmail.com>
<003501c4b6e3$4c5fe180$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>
Message-ID: <4bfd14680410201343105543d5@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:28:02 -0700, the head lemur wrote:
>
> Let's review.
> A check box is a form element. Usage of a checkbox implies that you have
> made a decision to gather information from a visitor whom you hope the
> client will turn into a sale, which is the whole point of using a form. Or
That's a pretty narrow definition of the point of using a form. If
I'm having users of my non-profit swim team site fill out a profile,
I'm not exactly certain type of "sale" I'm supposed to be making.
> at least that is the theory. It allows you the ability to offer the client's
> customer a series of choices, of which none, some or all can be checked.
> This has it's perils, and is outside of this discussion.
>
> If it is not a choice why is it being offered?
Since when is having a checkbox prechecked not offering them a choice?
If it's prechecked, it doesn't suddenly become disabled.
> By attempting to use pre-select options you have failed to provide the
> client and their customers with the ability to make decisions.
Yes, because apparently they've lost all use of their mouse buttons.
Scott
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From rick.good at shiesl.com Wed Oct 20 15:48:12 2004
From: rick.good at shiesl.com (Rick)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:48:12 +0200
Subject: [thelist] HELP... File conversion needed
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041020134032.0bb711e0@maditalian.baratta.com>
Message-ID:
I have MacLink which might do it. It depends on which version of MS Works.
Rick
On 10/20/04 10:40 PM, "Anthony Baratta" wrote:
> At 09:37 AM 10/20/2004, Joshua Olson wrote:
>
>> I need help converting some BDB files (MS Works Database) to something more
>> portable, such as Excel, CSV, whatever. I'm hoping it's as simple as get
>> file, open it, save as, email back to me.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q197894
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From joshua at waetech.com Wed Oct 20 15:45:42 2004
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:45:42 -0400
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked vs. unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To: <003501c4b6e3$4c5fe180$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>
Message-ID:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: head lemur
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:28 PM
>
> > > "Pre-selection" of boxes, boxes that are already checked prior to
> > > any user selection, is an abomination.
>
> I agree. My language selection would be a bit saltier, See Below...
>
>
> > There are times when checking a box by default makes sense.
>
> There are no times/zero/zip/nada when having a check box
> prechecked makes a n y sense.
Devils advocate for a moment.
Scenario one...
Let's say you want to give the user the option to receive a copy of the
information upon receipt and history has shown that 99.9% of people want a
receipt. You have a couple options:
1. Give them an unchecked checkbox that is labeled "send me a receipt".
99.9% of people want a receipt, but it seems likely that less than that will
check the box by simple oversight.
2. Give them an unchecked checkbox that is labeled "do not send me a
receipt". This will help that 99.9% of people get the receipt. But, it
violates the Jakob Nielsen rule about using negatives.
3. Give them radio buttons? Now the question becomes more complicated...
"would you like to receive a receipt?" Ok, so if I select "Yes" am I
actually going to get one, or am I just telling them I want one? Also,
presentation gets all gummed up, potentially. Because of the nature of the
question, you would expect the question to appear before the answers.
Depending on how the form is laid out, this may "break the flow" so to
speak.
4. Give them a pre-checked checkbox that is labeled "send me a receipt".
Does this not seem like the best option?
Scenario two...
A person is updating their preferences. The last time they updated their
settings they specifically checked an option. When they look now, would it
not be nice to have the same option checked?
<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168
From dexilalolai at yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 15:55:18 2004
From: dexilalolai at yahoo.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked vs. unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To: <003501c4b6e3$4c5fe180$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20041020205518.64409.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com>
> Let's review.
> A check box is a form element. Usage of a checkbox implies that you
> have
> made a decision to gather information from a visitor whom you hope
> the
> client will turn into a sale, which is the whole point of using a
> form. Or
Um, I believe here is the crux of the polarization in the discussion
here. Having a form doesn't always mean I'm conducting a sale, and
having a form certainly doesn't always mean it's an unknown visitor.
Sometimes it's a known person (ooh, a novel concept indeed),
sometimes the values /need/ to be prepopulated as part of the
application requirements. If I have a form of preferences read back
from a database, or a default set of choices based on application
requirements as given by the stakeholders, or even better-- a
user-selected grouping of selected items (i.e. a "Typical list" vs
"Complete list") then I'd better make damn sure they're prepopulated
as appropriate, otherwise it's a bug.
I hope this is painfully obvious, and I know probably somewhat away
from the central intent of the "never check a checkbox for someone,"
but dammit, never say "never."
All in moderation and best informed decisions, folks :)
sgd
From rob.smith at THERMON.com Wed Oct 20 16:02:38 2004
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:02:38 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Poll my audience's Resolution?
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7CEA7@smtmb.tmc.local>
http://www.evolt.org/article/Real_World_Browser_Size_Stats_Part_I/17/2295/in
dex.html
VERY Cleaver!
Rob
From peter.schlueter at pcadvocates.com Wed Oct 20 16:07:16 2004
From: peter.schlueter at pcadvocates.com (Peter L. Schlueter)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:07:16 -0400
Subject: [thelist] which open source CMS?
In-Reply-To: <4175790D.2020402@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID:
I too am looking for a good CMS. Open source if possible. However, I have
a question(s) that this list may help me resolve.
I try to do my websites in well formed html/css. Validated through the W3C.
The questions are as follows.
1. For the CMS to work, do you need to use the CMS program to develop the
page?
2. OR can you adapt the CMS to fit the developed page?
3. Client management of the site from the Client's browser standard with
most CMS systems?
4. Which leads to...Is cross browser compatibility generally part of a CMS
system?
5. Does the list know of any CMS systems that are not dependent on table
based layout?
I am still a noooobie in this web world, so any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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From lists at neptunewebworks.com Wed Oct 20 16:22:15 2004
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:22:15 -0700
Subject: [thelist] HELP... File conversion needed
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4176D707.5010809@neptunewebworks.com>
Joshua Olson wrote:
>Step 1. Open the database in Works.
>
>Herein lies the problem. I don't have Works. Perhaps *somebody* can help
>me out here?
>
>
Joshua my wife's PC has Works still installed (oops). Get me offlist
and I'd be happy to give you a hand.
Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
Dynamic Websites and E-Commerce
NeptuneWebworks.com
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fax: 208-730-6504
From brian at hondaswap.com Wed Oct 20 17:04:50 2004
From: brian at hondaswap.com (brian cummiskey)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:04:50 -0400
Subject: [thelist] js/css show div based on onchange
Message-ID: <4176E102.9020401@hondaswap.com>
I'm working on a basic form for a client. They want to show an extra
question about the router below -if and only if- the option of DSL is
selected/active/changed to via the select form element.
here's what i have so far:
Now this div shows all the time. I don't want it to show unless the
select above has been moved to DSL. Appearently, disply:none; doesn't
work like this?
here's the function I came up with, which also fails.
function fillrouter()
{
if(document.frmdefault.internet_type.value == "DSL")
{
document.dslarea.style.display="inline";
}
else
document.dslarea.style.display="none";
}
any suggestions?
From John.Brooking at sappi.com Wed Oct 20 16:56:03 2004
From: John.Brooking at sappi.com (John.Brooking at sappi.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:56:03 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Content area with book borders?
Message-ID: <046D7511B5DBFC41B4CF3E696EB2CC200135A726@cdfnexc7.NA.Sappi.com>
Hi, all,
Here's a question of the standard "Is this possible?" variety. I'm
offering to put up a photo album site for my high school class, for pictures
of our recent reunion. For a variety of reasons which I will recount if you
really want me to, I'm taking the approach of coding it myself rather than
go with a service or package. (It should be pretty simple.) The home page[0]
will be a picture of our yearbook, clicking on which takes you "inside" the
book. For the inside pages, I want to design a template with these
characteristics:
* Is fluid in both width and height, expanding to fill the screen width
and content height;
* Has a "book" border to give the content the appearance of being inside
a book.
I have a example page here[1], but it's got a few problems. As you can
see if you view the source, I'm reverting back to the stone age of
table-based layouts, because it seemed easier than CSS (I know, I know, this
is just because I don't know CSS as well) and I don't want to spend a lot of
time on it. (However, CSS-based suggestions are certainly welcome.) Because
of where I want the content area to be, I had to do some colspan / rowspan
tricks, and I think that's making the spacing not work well. You can see
that the center binding image at the top and bottom is not centered. Also,
if you make the width small enough, the height of the row containing the
"Contents" tab grows larger than the image, leaving a gap.
I have posted an image[2] of how I set up the table rows and columns. The
tricky part is I want the content area (the cell labeled R2-3C2-6) to go
right up to the left and right edges of the book image, including over the
page turn images at the bottom. This required that the content area span
multiple columns, and I think this is ruining the centering of the binding
images in column 4. Also, the contents tab requires that the content area
span rows, which is probably causing the gapping problem there.
So my "simple" table-based layout is getting unwieldy. (I know, you told
me so!) So, what advice:
1) Forget tables, use CSS
2) Or is there a table solution, perhaps made possible by simplying
the design somewhat?
3) Or can you recommend a package or service, free or very
inexpensive, that would produce this effect for me?
Thanks for any advice.
[0] http://www.shoestringcms.com/personal/Tatler84/
[1] http://www.shoestringcms.com/personal/Tatler84/try2/photopage.html
[2] http://www.shoestringcms.com/personal/Tatler84/try2/LayoutPlan.jpg
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From pp.koch at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 17:21:40 2004
From: pp.koch at gmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:21:40 +0200
Subject: [thelist] js/css show div based on onchange
In-Reply-To: <4176E102.9020401@hondaswap.com>
References: <4176E102.9020401@hondaswap.com>
Message-ID: <21e4a12804102015214dc04d8e@mail.gmail.com>
> I'm working on a basic form for a client. They want to show an extra
> question about the router below -if and only if- the option of DSL is
> selected/active/changed to via the select form element.
>
> Now this div shows all the time. I don't want it to show unless the
> select above has been moved to DSL.
>
> any suggestions?
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/forms_usability_and_the_w3c_dom/
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From astreight at msn.com Wed Oct 20 17:38:56 2004
From: astreight at msn.com (ANDREA STREIGHT)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:38:56 -0500
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked boxes or unchecked boxes
Message-ID:
head lemur and Chris Kavanaugh:
thanks for substantiating further how "pre-selection" is indeed an
abomination, and a lack of marketing imagination.
Good old Jakob Nielsen, I forgot how he spoke of this lunacy.
Pre-selection of user preferences based on previous profile: this is an
entirely different matter. Of course, this is clearly not "pre-selection"
but "post-selection" reminder. This is entirely altruistic and to be
encouraged for convenience to users. Not a problem.
But this con artist type "pre-checked boxes" is similar to spam. Imposing
things on users that they did not give you permission to impose. Ever heard
of Permission Marketing?
Why did someone have to bring up my pet peeve again: HTML newsletters. I
hate HTML email, for security reasons. So I don't care if 99% of subscribers
choose HTML newsletters. Are they too lazy to check that option box?
We must never assume we know what a specific customer wants, unless they
tell us. This preselected options junk is another symtom of corporate
arrogance and old fashioned "push" marketing, when the modern philosophy is
"pull" marketing. Seduce, don't bully! (Ladies out there will agree here, I
think).
I still have not heard one legit use of "pre-selected" outside of the
entirely different matter of "post-selection" verification for profile
updates and so forth.
Steven Streight
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From brainsquared at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 17:43:13 2004
From: brainsquared at gmail.com (Brent Morris)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:43:13 -0400
Subject: [thelist] which open source CMS?
In-Reply-To:
References: <4175790D.2020402@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <473083e204102015435fce0dd2@mail.gmail.com>
If you are familiar with ColdFusion at all (or want to be) then I
recommend FarCry (http://farcry.daemon.com.au/) as a good
standards-compliant, cross-browser, open-source,
non-table-based-layout-reliant CMS
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:07:16 -0400, Peter L. Schlueter
wrote:
> I too am looking for a good CMS. Open source if possible. However, I have
> a question(s) that this list may help me resolve.
> I try to do my websites in well formed html/css. Validated through the W3C.
> The questions are as follows.
>
> 1. For the CMS to work, do you need to use the CMS program to develop the
> page?
> 2. OR can you adapt the CMS to fit the developed page?
> 3. Client management of the site from the Client's browser standard with
> most CMS systems?
> 4. Which leads to...Is cross browser compatibility generally part of a CMS
> system?
> 5. Does the list know of any CMS systems that are not dependent on table
> based layout?
>
> I am still a noooobie in this web world, so any help is greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>
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From dsbrady at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 18:16:26 2004
From: dsbrady at gmail.com (Scott Brady)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:16:26 -0600
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked boxes or unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4bfd1468041020161630f33c70@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:38:56 -0500, ANDREA STREIGHT wrote:
> head lemur and Chris Kavanaugh:
>
> thanks for substantiating further how "pre-selection" is indeed an
> abomination, and a lack of marketing imagination.
>
> Good old Jakob Nielsen, I forgot how he spoke of this lunacy.
Must . . . not . . . start . . . religious . . . .war
> Why did someone have to bring up my pet peeve again: HTML newsletters. I
> hate HTML email, for security reasons. So I don't care if 99% of subscribers
> choose HTML newsletters. Are they too lazy to check that option box?
So, you think that because the 1% uf your users who don't want HTML
e-mail are too lazy to uncheck that option box, it's ok to make the
vast majority of your users check it? It's the same procedure (1
mouse click). Doesn't it make sense to make it easier on the 99%
instead of catering to the 1%?
> We must never assume we know what a specific customer wants, unless they
> tell us.
It's called knowing your audience.
> This preselected options junk is another symtom of corporate
> arrogance and old fashioned "push" marketing, when the modern philosophy is
> "pull" marketing. Seduce, don't bully! (Ladies out there will agree here, I
> think).
You're assuming that by pre-checking a box you're "pushing" something,
when you may just be trying to make it easier for your users.
Here's another example (based on The Motley Fool message boards):
When you're replying to a message, you have two options: Post the
message to the boards and Send-email to the author to whom you're
replying. You have to select at least one of them, but you can also
select both of them. The vast, vast, vast majority of the replies are
posted to the board and not e-mailed to the authoer of the post you're
replying to. They default the "Post to Board" box being checked, with
the other one unchecked.
Based on the reasoning put forth by both you and Jakob Nielsen, the
first box should be unchecked (requiring thousands of your users
posting cumulatively thousands of replies every day to click that box
with EVERY reply). Worse, with Jakob's logic, it should be unchecked
and worded "Do not post to the board".
That really makes more sense to you?
Scott
--
-----------------------------------------
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/
From peter at easylistbox.com Wed Oct 20 18:34:11 2004
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:34:11 -0500
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked boxes or unchecked boxes
In-Reply-To: <4bfd1468041020161630f33c70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c4b6fd$4df10a00$0300a8c0@monkeyhouse>
Why would Nielsen want it to say "Do not post to the board"?
Didn't he dictate that options should be positive rather than negative?
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org On Behalf Of Scott Brady
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:38:56 -0500, ANDREA STREIGHT wrote:
> head lemur and Chris Kavanaugh:
>
> thanks for substantiating further how "pre-selection" is indeed an
> abomination, and a lack of marketing imagination.
>
> Good old Jakob Nielsen, I forgot how he spoke of this lunacy.
Must . . . not . . . start . . . religious . . . .war
> Why did someone have to bring up my pet peeve again: HTML newsletters.
> I hate HTML email, for security reasons. So I don't care if 99% of
> subscribers choose HTML newsletters. Are they too lazy to check that
> option box?
So, you think that because the 1% uf your users who don't want HTML
e-mail are too lazy to uncheck that option box, it's ok to make the vast
majority of your users check it? It's the same procedure (1 mouse
click). Doesn't it make sense to make it easier on the 99% instead of
catering to the 1%?
> We must never assume we know what a specific customer wants, unless
> they tell us.
It's called knowing your audience.
> This preselected options junk is another symtom of corporate arrogance
> and old fashioned "push" marketing, when the modern philosophy is
> "pull" marketing. Seduce, don't bully! (Ladies out there will agree
> here, I think).
You're assuming that by pre-checking a box you're "pushing" something,
when you may just be trying to make it easier for your users.
Here's another example (based on The Motley Fool message boards): When
you're replying to a message, you have two options: Post the message to
the boards and Send-email to the author to whom you're replying. You
have to select at least one of them, but you can also select both of
them. The vast, vast, vast majority of the replies are posted to the
board and not e-mailed to the authoer of the post you're replying to.
They default the "Post to Board" box being checked, with the other one
unchecked.
Based on the reasoning put forth by both you and Jakob Nielsen, the
first box should be unchecked (requiring thousands of your users posting
cumulatively thousands of replies every day to click that box with EVERY
reply). Worse, with Jakob's logic, it should be unchecked and worded
"Do not post to the board".
That really makes more sense to you?
Scott
--
-----------------------------------------
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/
From mantruc at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 18:55:17 2004
From: mantruc at gmail.com (Javier Velasco)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:55:17 -0400
Subject: [thelist] XHTML 1.1 vs 1.0
Message-ID:
Hi All:
Does anyone have a good resource to learn the difference between
versions 1.0 and 1.1 of XHTML?
What do you need to change in your pages in order to upgrade the version?
tia
javier
"The secret to making a site that people will dig is involving them
throughout the design process"
Christina Wodtke, 2002
From astreight at msn.com Wed Oct 20 19:05:48 2004
From: astreight at msn.com (ANDREA STREIGHT)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:05:48 -0500
Subject: [thelist] RE: checked boxes or unchecked boxes
Message-ID:
Make it easy for users? If it's just one check mark, how does this make it
easy for users?
The logic here seems to be: "We already pre-checked the box you very likely
want to have checked, so now we saved you the trouble of checking one box."
Pre-checking a box is, in my opinion, forcing an option on a user, even if
it's a highly likely option.
A pre-selected box should really just be a Submit button, not a check box.
You know most users want to perform a task, you provide a button to activate
this performance. Not a pre-selected box, with another non-pre-selected box
next to it.
And it is a very troublesome scenario where even checking one box has no
effect on the pre-checked box. Bottom line: users sometimes get things they
do not want.
At the online forums and blogs I've frequented, after you write a comment,
there's a button you click called Submit or Say It or whatever. Your comment
is then posted after you click on Submit. They know that if you wrote a
comment, you are nearly 100% likely to want to submit it, yet they don't
auto-submit it for you, say if it sits there unedited for over 15 seconds or
something.
You still have to click on that Submit button, or Preview it first then
Submit. I've not seen Preview pre-checked, even though most blogs probably
prefer a person Preview first to check for typos and to cool down any rage
that might be present.
I have seen these pre-selected forms, usually many pre-checked boxes, that I
have to unselect, and it's not making my life any easier at all. Generally,
if I see a slew of pre-selected boxes, I figure they have poor marketing
sense, lacking in customer friendliness, and possibly worse qualities, pushy
to say the least, so I will bail out and move on to other business.
Forms Philosophy is vital on the web, since here is where most interaction
occurs.
Again, there might be situations where pre-selection is a true convenience
and benefit to users, but the post-selection display of previous
user-selected options, like in a profile update, is still the only case I
know of.
Steven Streight
STREIGHT SITE SYSTEMS
Web Usability Analysis
Web Content Writing
Online & Direct Marketing
astreight at msn.com
www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com *Web Usability*
www.streightsite.blogspot.com *Mentally Correct Marketing*
www.ArtTestExplosion.blogspot.com
*Experimental Computer Art*
www.stcsig.org/usability/newsletter/0408-user-observation.html *latest
published online article*
From julian at jrickards.ca Wed Oct 20 19:40:35 2004
From: julian at jrickards.ca (Julian Rickards)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:40:35 -0400
Subject: [thelist] XHTML 1.1 vs 1.0
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <41770583.5060706@jrickards.ca>
Hey there Javier, how are you?
There are a few very simple differences between 1.0 and 1.1 including
removing from around JavaScript in the and replacing
it with
The other issue that I am aware of is that XHTML must be delivered as
application/xhtml+xml, not as text/html. Therefore, IE will choke on it
and (from what I have heard) will display the code instead of a web page.
There also is no such thing as XHTML 1.1 transitional, it is only
"available" in strict form so you must remove all deprecated tags and
attributes such as (obviously) and align="center" and anything
that has been replaced in CSS.
I know that this is incomplete but if you can create XHTML 1.0 Strict,
then you are most of the way there but 1.1, with its requirement for the
HTTP delivery method, is a hinderance to its widespread use.
HTH,
Jules
Javier Velasco wrote:
>Hi All:
>
>Does anyone have a good resource to learn the difference between
>versions 1.0 and 1.1 of XHTML?
>
>What do you need to change in your pages in order to upgrade the version?
>
>tia
>javier
>
>
>"The secret to making a site that people will dig is involving them
>throughout the design process"
>Christina Wodtke, 2002
>
>
>
From liorean at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 19:52:58 2004
From: liorean at gmail.com (liorean)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:52:58 +0200
Subject: [thelist] XHTML 1.1 vs 1.0
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:55:17 -0400, Javier Velasco wrote:
> Does anyone have a good resource to learn the difference between versions 1.0 and 1.1 of XHTML?
Well, it's not much, really. See
> What do you need to change in your pages in order to upgrade the version?
- Make sure they validate as XHTML1.1. (Requires roughly the same as
XHTML1.0 Strict)
- Make sure they are sent as 'application/xhtml+xml' or
'application/xml', NOT 'text/html'.
--
David "liorean" Andersson
From vlad.alexander at xstandard.com Wed Oct 20 20:04:50 2004
From: vlad.alexander at xstandard.com (Vlad Alexander (XStandard))
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:04:50 -0400
Subject: [thelist] XHTML 1.1 vs 1.0
Message-ID:
Hi Javier,
Hope this article clarifies things a bit for you:
http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/120303-1.shtml
Regards,
-Vlad
XStandard Development Team
Standards-compliant XHTML (Strict / 1.1) WYSIWYG editor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Javier Velasco"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: [thelist] XHTML 1.1 vs 1.0
> Hi All:
>
> Does anyone have a good resource to learn the difference between
> versions 1.0 and 1.1 of XHTML?
>
> What do you need to change in your pages in order to upgrade the version?
>
> tia
> javier
>
>
> "The secret to making a site that people will dig is involving them
> throughout the design process"
> Christina Wodtke, 2002
>
> --
>
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From brainsquared at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 22:35:28 2004
From: brainsquared at gmail.com (Brent Morris)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:35:28 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Simple no nonesense hosting
Message-ID: <473083e204102020354359bbec@mail.gmail.com>
I have a friend that wants to set up a website with just their
business card info on it for now. Can anyone recommend a really cheap,
no bells and whistles host? I'm seriously thinking the "site" will be
100Kb tops.
TIA
--
Brent Morris
From philip at turmel.org Wed Oct 20 22:39:13 2004
From: philip at turmel.org (Phil Turmel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:39:13 -0400
Subject: [thelist] configuring sendmail for relaying mail form data
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <41772F61.1050702@turmel.org>
John,
Before getting too hung up in sendmail delivery
configuration (Ugh!), you might want to check whether the
user account for the web server process (or CGI if
applicable) is authorized to use an arbitrary sender
address. Your error message shows the sender as
"www at domain.tld". So "www" is your web server user account?
If not, or if domain.tld is not the configured sendmail
local host, you need extra priviledges.
A generic *nix user account can only send mail when "sender"
is equal to their user account name @ the configured local
host name.
HTH.
Phil Turmel
ps. I use exim instead of sendmail
simply because its WAY easier to configure/understand for
small servers. So I can't help with actual configuration
details....
John DeStefano wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to use a good-looking but poorly-supported PHP form mail script
> (http://www.leveltendesign.com/L10Apps/Fm/) on a FreeBSD server to
> process data submitted by a Web mail form.
>
> The installation test completed successfully, and I moved the PHP file
> into my Web site. Now, when I click the submit button, I'm brought to
> the 'success' page, but an email is never received. This was also the
> case during the initial test, but I was brought to the default success
> page.
>
> Despite the poor support, I don't think the script itself is the
> problem. The mail server queue is holding these messages with the
> following error:
>
> Deferred: 450 ..com>: Sender address rejected:
> Domain not found
>
> The FreeBSD guide's Troubleshooting section points to the Sendmail FAQ
> for more information. The Sendmail FAQ on this topic contains a cycle
> of links, but I get the idea that I need to configure sendmail to
> route messages via my ISP's SMTP gateway, and that I need to define a
> "smart host".
>
> The most relevent FAQ entries I could find were:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail-trouble.html#Q22.5.4.
> http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.22
>
> So I added the following to /etc/mail/freebsd.mc:
> FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl
> FEATURE(`accept_unqualified_senders')dnl
>
> I also created /etc/mail/relay-domains and inserted every possible
> variation of domains I could think of.
>
> I then restarted sendmail ('cd /etc/mail && make restart') and tried
> the form again, but mailq showed the same 450 error.
>
> I added the following to /etc/mail/freebsd.mc:
> define('SMART_HOST', `smtp-server.rochester.rr.com')dnl
>
> After a restart, mailq gave the same error.
>
> Any sendmail gurus out there have thoughts on how to resolve this, or
> what I'm doing wrong?
>
> Thanks.
> ~John
From techwriter at sound-by-design.com Wed Oct 20 23:49:57 2004
From: techwriter at sound-by-design.com (Allen Schaaf)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:49:57 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Network Security (WAS: Re: [OT - For USA] Got any special
plans for November 2nd?)
In-Reply-To: <006c01c4b677$67f772d0$9600a8c0@corp.avanade.org>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041019072943.0869f6a0@mail.sound-by-design.com>
<20041019151359.64942.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com>
<000201c4b665$fb8e0fc0$0500a8c0@kjhome.local>
<006c01c4b677$67f772d0$9600a8c0@corp.avanade.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041020205632.087c5730@mail.sound-by-design.com>
At 12:35 AM 10/20/04 - Ken Schaefer wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Allen Schaaf"
>Subject: Re: [thelist] [OT - For USA] Got any special plans for November
>2nd?
>
>
> > /TIP ----->
> > Be very careful about posting any exe files that might
> > have been created by Windows NT, 2000, XP, or any
> > executable file like screen savers, GIF animations, etc.,
> > to your web site.
> >
> > The reason is ADS - no, not advertising, but rather
> > Alternate Data Streams. They work sort of like pre-OSX
> > Mac file in that they have two forks. There is the visible
> > one which is the cute greeting card or whatever and the
> > other is quietly installing a back door or Trojan on the
> > computer of the person who downloaded it.
> >
> > At the very least run all files through software
> > like .
>
>a) I don't see the concern with placing .exe files onto your /own/ website.
>Presumably, if you have the files you know they are safe.
But is your source a trusted source? Do you know for sure that it was not
compromised? Did you run a MD5 or SHA2 hash before and after to check that
it had not been meddled with?
>The question is whether it's safe for you to download files from someone
>else's website.
The question also is, do you want to protect the integrity of your site?
The other question is, do you want it so common a problem that people are
leery of visiting your site out of fear?
>b) The article linked is incorrect in stating that most security software
>is incapable of scanning ADS (whilst that may have been true when the
>words are written, I've been assured by people in the AV industry that
>this is no longer the case). Every major AV program is now capable of
>scanning ADS in files as you access them. Keep your AV up-to-date.
But, if it is not a virus, only an executable, will it be detected?
According to my sources it is somewhat hit and miss. I've tested three AV
softwares and not one got the Word macro and only one got one of the ADS
executables.
Granted this is not exhaustive, but I think it has the potential to be a
bigger problem than we realize.
Look at the potential for problems with Javascript - see
www.computerbytesman.com - and yet most use it because the trust that most
sites do not put malicious code on their sites but if people lose their
trust all the effort you have put into those pretty pages with nice whiz
bangs will be useless as default browser setting for scripting languages
that execute on the client will become "off" as it is now on mine. There
are many site I no longer even bother visiting because they depend on too
much code that I do not have time to study.
Do you think I'm being foolish? Perhaps, but then you have not seen an
entire group of 15 people behind a good firewall suddenly start getting
pop-up ads all day long. Every single machine had to be rebuilt from
scratch as they could not find the cause. Almost a week's lost productivity.
I'll give you another scenario that has happened at a large financial
institution. A laptop was lost with a lot of financial records on it. It
was recovered from the lost and found at the airport after a few
hours. Big sighs of relief, until..., well someone very clever copied all
the files to a new drive and added a trojan that was masked from the
anti-virus scanner. The next time the laptop was connected to the corporate
network, guess what? Well, they were lucky. An alert sys admin noticed
something funny in the IDS logs and traced it back before all the private
data was uploaded to somewhere on the net.
Don't think it can be done? Then take the Certified Ethical Hacker class to
get the certificate and get your pants scared right off you in no time
flat. The two exploits I mentioned were only the very tinniest tip of the
iceberg.
Best to you and yours,
Allen Schaaf
Documentation Developer and Senior Technical Writer
Certified Network Security Analyst and
Intrusion Forensics Investigator - CEH, CHFI
Papageno: "What should we say now?"
Pamina: "The truth, the truth, ...even if it is a crime."
From ken.schaefer at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 01:54:23 2004
From: ken.schaefer at gmail.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:54:23 +1000
Subject: [thelist] Network Security (WAS: Re: [OT - For USA] Got any
special plans for November 2nd?)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041020205632.087c5730@mail.sound-by-design.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041019072943.0869f6a0@mail.sound-by-design.com>
<20041019151359.64942.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com>
<000201c4b665$fb8e0fc0$0500a8c0@kjhome.local>
<006c01c4b677$67f772d0$9600a8c0@corp.avanade.org>
<6.1.2.0.2.20041020205632.087c5730@mail.sound-by-design.com>
Message-ID: <11de06e20410202354379a18fe@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:49:57 -0700, Allen Schaaf
wrote:
> > > Be very careful about posting any exe files that might
> > > have been created by Windows NT, 2000, XP, or any
> > > executable file like screen savers, GIF animations, etc.,
> > > to your web site.
> > >
> > > The reason is ADS - no, not advertising, but rather
> > > Alternate Data Streams.
> >
> >a) I don't see the concern with placing .exe files onto your /own/ website.
> >Presumably, if you have the files you know they are safe.
>
> But is your source a trusted source? Do you know for sure that it was not
> compromised? Did you run a MD5 or SHA2 hash before and after to check that
> it had not been meddled with?
Before and after what? Before and after you placed them onto your
website? If someone's tampering with files you've placed onto your own
website I think you have bigger issues.
If you're redistributing .exe files, then presumably you have some
licence to do so, and you'd have some kind of trust relationship with
the original vendor.
If you're a software developer yourself and distributing your own .exe
files, then presumably you take steps to ensure that your development
environment isn't trojaned.
On the other hand, if you found dodgy.exe on some
www.freemp3warezp0rn.com site and stick it up on your own, then I
think you have bigger issues than ADS :-)
> >The question is whether it's safe for you to download files from someone
> >else's website.
>
> The question also is, do you want to protect the integrity of your site?
> The other question is, do you want it so common a problem that people are
> leery of visiting your site out of fear?
Hmmm...I've never seen anything in the security community about
widespread problems with people redistributing .exe files that have
somehow been trojaned with malicious code embedded in ADS.
Please note that the issue here is your highlighting of ADS, as
distinct from malicious executables themselves.
> >b) The article linked is incorrect in stating that most security software
> >is incapable of scanning ADS (whilst that may have been true when the
> >words are written, I've been assured by people in the AV industry that
> >this is no longer the case). Every major AV program is now capable of
> >scanning ADS in files as you access them. Keep your AV up-to-date.
>
> But, if it is not a virus, only an executable, will it be detected?
> According to my sources it is somewhat hit and miss. I've tested three AV
> softwares and not one got the Word macro and only one got one of the ADS
> executables.
But what does the executable do? As mentioned, most (if not all) AV
products will detect and scan ADS. If there is executable code in the
ADS, and it appears to be a virus or trojan, or exhibits "virus like
activity", then the AV scanner will catch it. If it's just executable
code in general, then I don't think your AV will try to stop it
running, in the same way that it doesn't stop you running word.exe or
calc.exe or notepad.exe
Personally, I'm not so sure about embedding a Word macro virus into
ADS - how exactly will that be executed by Word?
> Granted this is not exhaustive, but I think it has the potential to be a
> bigger problem than we realize.
I think I'm reasonably cognizant of security threats, risks,
countermeasures, technologies, tools etc on the Windows platform. As I
mentioned, I don't think ADS is some "smoking gun" or "elephant in the
room" that the community is ignoring.
> Look at the potential for problems with Javascript - see
> www.computerbytesman.com - and yet most use it because the trust that most
> sites do not put malicious code on their sites but if people lose their
> trust all the effort you have put into those pretty pages with nice whiz
> bangs will be useless as default browser setting for scripting languages
> that execute on the client will become "off" as it is now on mine. There
> are many site I no longer even bother visiting because they depend on too
> much code that I do not have time to study.
People are already leery of downloading straight executables. What's
so special about ADS? Nothing as far as I can tell.
> Do you think I'm being foolish? Perhaps, but then you have not seen an
> entire group of 15 people behind a good firewall suddenly start getting
> pop-up ads all day long. Every single machine had to be rebuilt from
> scratch as they could not find the cause. Almost a week's lost productivity.
You don't know what I have, and haven't seen. :-)
Unless this firewall is some kind of Application layer firewall (like
ISA Server), then it's pretty much useless for stopping people
downloading malicious code and running it. You might as well have said
that they had a good surge protector.
Detecting malware that causes "popups" certainly can be done. If it
can't in a particular case, then either the administrator doesn't have
the requisite knowlegde or (if they do have the knowledge) doesn't
have the requisite resources (time, money).
> I'll give you another scenario that has happened at a large financial
> institution. A laptop was lost with a lot of financial records on it. It
> was recovered from the lost and found at the airport after a few
> hours. Big sighs of relief, until..., well someone very clever copied all
> the files to a new drive and added a trojan that was masked from the
> anti-virus scanner. The next time the laptop was connected to the corporate
> network, guess what? Well, they were lucky. An alert sys admin noticed
> something funny in the IDS logs and traced it back before all the private
> data was uploaded to somewhere on the net.
I think we all realise this is an issue. Certainly any financial
institution that has a laptop in the hands of unknown, and then wants
to return it to a sensitive network would reimage the machine to a
known good state before doing so.
The company I work for is doing a lot of work on Microsoft's VPN
quarantine technology, which is designed to allow the quarantine of
machines from a sensitive network until they have been certified as
"clean". If anyone's interested, we can be hired at exhorbi....sorry
"good value" rates. :-)
> Don't think it can be done? Then take the Certified Ethical Hacker class to
> get the certificate and get your pants scared right off you in no time
> flat.
I don't mean to demean the certification you mention, but I doubt that
I'd learn anything by preparing for such an exam. :-)
I was hoping that previous posts on security related topics on this
list might have conveyed what I thought was my understanding of
security issues, but perhaps I have an inflated sense of what I
actually know :-)
Cheers
Ken
From court3nay at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 02:11:28 2004
From: court3nay at gmail.com (Courtenay)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:11:28 -0700
Subject: [thelist] js/css show div based on onchange
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What about simplifying a little? Remember, if they have Javascript
turned off, (a contentious issue, to be sure, but one you need to
think about) then the page won't work.