From dross202 at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 00:52:32 2005 From: dross202 at comcast.net (D Ross) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:52:32 -0500 Subject: [thelist] I re-uploaded site now not using stylesheet... Message-ID: <41FDD5B0.5040708@comcast.net> I have no clue whats going on but I have ben working on a retsaurant site and deleted the site entirely from the server then reuploaded it ..just to get everything fresh..but now when I go to the page no styles are being loaded...I've tried just uploading the stylesheets, individual pages...nothing...I dont know what to do...Can someone take a look at it and see whats going on please? Thanks again, David From dross202 at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 00:54:44 2005 From: dross202 at comcast.net (D Ross) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:44 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Re: I re-uploaded site now not using stylesheet... In-Reply-To: <41FDD5B0.5040708@comcast.net> References: <41FDD5B0.5040708@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41FDD634.5000306@comcast.net> Oops the site/page in question is: http://www.davidrossdesign.us/oscars/ Thanks From court3nay at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 01:40:31 2005 From: court3nay at gmail.com (Courtenay) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:40:31 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Re: I re-uploaded site now not using stylesheet... In-Reply-To: <41FDD634.5000306@comcast.net> References: <41FDD5B0.5040708@comcast.net> <41FDD634.5000306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4b430c8f0501302340405c55c3@mail.gmail.com> Hi David :) 403 Forbidden

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check your permissions! On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:44 -0500, D Ross wrote: > Oops the site/page in question is: > http://www.davidrossdesign.us/oscars/ > > Thanks > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From evolt at mpember.net.au Mon Jan 31 02:02:00 2005 From: evolt at mpember.net.au (Michael Pemberton) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:02:00 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Re: I re-uploaded site now not using stylesheet... In-Reply-To: <41FDD634.5000306@comcast.net> References: <41FDD5B0.5040708@comcast.net> <41FDD634.5000306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41FDE5F8.8090408@mpember.net.au> D Ross wrote: > Oops the site/page in question is: > http://www.davidrossdesign.us/oscars/ > > Thanks I tried accessing http://www.davidrossdesign.us/oscars/images/au_bg.gif 403 Error :( Is it possible that you need to adjust the access for these files? -- Michael Pemberton evolt at mpember.net.au From dross202 at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 02:08:45 2005 From: dross202 at comcast.net (D Ross) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:08:45 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Re: I re-uploaded site now not using stylesheet... In-Reply-To: <4b430c8f0501302340405c55c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <41FDD5B0.5040708@comcast.net> <41FDD634.5000306@comcast.net> <4b430c8f0501302340405c55c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41FDE78D.4050407@comcast.net> Court is a lifesaver and I'm a dumbo...thanks. Courtenay wrote: >Hi David :) > > > >403 Forbidden > >

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> > > >check your permissions! > >On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:44 -0500, D Ross wrote: > > >>Oops the site/page in question is: >>http://www.davidrossdesign.us/oscars/ >> >>Thanks >>-- >> >>* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >>http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> >>For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >>and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >>Workers of the Web, evolt ! >> >> >> > > > -- David Ross Print and Web Design http://www.davidrossdesign.us From juha.suni at ilmiantajat.fi Mon Jan 31 03:37:54 2005 From: juha.suni at ilmiantajat.fi (Juha Suni) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:37:54 +0200 Subject: [thelist] RE: blaster worm punishment References: <20050130042154.55006.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <021401c50778$8a4736c0$3300a8c0@tavutykki> Steven Streight wrote: > We've all heard how the "teenager" who unleashed the > Blaster worm, primarily against Microsoft, got only 18 > months jail time, court supervision for 3 years, and > has to pay up to $1 million damages. "only" ? I really dont know what you think would be suitable then. Jailtime and supervision are one thing, but unless the guy can pull 1 million dollars from his ass, his life is totally screwed already. What he did was stupid, irresponsible and all that. If you feel that the punishment is not enough to terrify others from doing the same, then nothing is. And the terrorism part, aw come on. I am sorry to say the word has been overused to death, and the only thing it brings to my mind these days is the stupidity that resides within the administration in the US. Sorry, all flames in private please. Doing work and projects for many customers can quickly result in a surprisingly large amount of unaccounted and unpaid work being done, just because you forgot to bill them, or even forgot that you took several half an hour phonecalls with the client during the month. I strongly recommend using some sort of application to track each and every working hour daily, for each employee. In the end writing down every hour or half an hour per day is not that time consuming, and it is truly amazing how much little work there is that never gets accounted for. This also helps a lot in estimating future project budgets and deadlines. I can recommend OpenAir (www.openair.com), although it might be too massive for smaller companies. From wayne at freelance-developer.co.uk Mon Jan 31 04:02:46 2005 From: wayne at freelance-developer.co.uk (Wayne) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:02:46 -0000 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [thelist] Requirements for solicitor Message-ID: <185F956D2818C24DA8501CBDF63CA67E2341@inter-server.home.local> I should think your gonna want the DNS hosting and access info, incase it becomes necessary to move the code et al. w -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Justin @ pxLabs Sent: 30 January 2005 21:32 To: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk; thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: [thelist] Requirements for solicitor Alex, Having been in such a position before, I would think that you can ask for anything that will enable you to get the job done. Of course, that is within reason. Just my two cents, Cheers, -- Justin Kozuch Creative Director, pxLabs "Helping clients improve their business through the use of Web standards" http://www.pxlabs.com/ Alex Beston wrote: > Hi All, > > Just had a query from a potential client who has been let down by his > contracting company. > > Its a database driven site, with php sessions involved. > > Ive been asked to list a series of requirements to be given to a > solicitor forcing the contractor to hand over information. > > ----- > Heres my list: > > A list of all users & their passwords allowing access to the hosting > server. > > (can we ask of the hosting if this list tallys with their registered > users?) > > A list of all users & their passwords allowing access to the database. > > A list of any connecting databases ie on a JOIN. > > A copy of all source code ( cant we just access ourselves, not not > necessary? maybe is if they decide to delete their work on handing > over the passwords? ) > > A database dump of all tables & all other databases > > Passwords to any mail accounts plus all aliases > > ??? > > ---- > > Presumably, once this information is released there is no real > security any more? So, the first job would be to remove users and > create anew. > > > Any thoughts helpful > > rgds > Alex > > > -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Mon Jan 31 04:04:07 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:04:07 -0000 Subject: [thelist] RE: time tracking [was: tedious ranty thread about blaster worm punishment :-) ] In-Reply-To: <021401c50778$8a4736c0$3300a8c0@tavutykki> Message-ID: <20050131100402.03E9AE0001DF@blaster.systems.pipex.net> > I can recommend OpenAir > (www.openair.com), although it might be too massive for > smaller companies. I'm a smaller company -- there's only one of me :-) I'm using Timeless Time & Expense. It's pretty cheap and it just works. http://www.magsoftwrx.com/ Jason From hershelr at netvision.net.il Mon Jan 31 04:34:19 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:34:19 -0500 Subject: [thelist] RE: time tracking In-Reply-To: <20050131100402.03E9AE0001DF@blaster.systems.pipex.net> Message-ID: <000c01c50780$6c94b320$0500000a@workstation3g> I am a fan of AllNetic Working Time Tracker: http://www.allnetic.com/working-time-tracker/ It's simple, lightweight and easy to use. Hershel From Chris.Marsh at Callserve.com Mon Jan 31 06:47:30 2005 From: Chris.Marsh at Callserve.com (Chris.Marsh at Callserve.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:47:30 -0000 Subject: [thelist] I re-uploaded site now not using stylesheet... Message-ID: David > I have no clue whats going on but I have ben working on a retsaurant > site and deleted the site entirely from the server then reuploaded it > ..just to get everything fresh..but now when I go to the page > no styles > are being loaded...I've tried just uploading the stylesheets, > individual > pages...nothing...I dont know what to do...Can someone take a > look at it > and see whats going on please? Do you have a URL? Regards Chris Marsh _______________________________________________________________________ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender and delete the email immediately. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. 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Callserve Communications accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. _______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Mon Jan 31 07:20:28 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:20:28 -0600 Subject: [thelist] RE: [OT] blaster worm punishment Message-ID: [snip] Isn't that like saying that its the car manufacturers fault that we have so many crashes? [/snip] You're analogy is slightly flawed. When auto manufacturers make certain repeatable mistakes (such as those encountered in software) that cause costs they issue recalls so that these issues may be addressed. Certainly auto mfgs' are not responsible for all crashes. Why didn't my query work? Why can't I connect to my database? What went wrong? PHP provides a handy little function for most databases that allow you to get a clearer view of what happened, mysql_error(). An example when used with a query... if(!($result = mysql_query($myQuery, $myDatabaseConnection))){ echo mysql_error() . "\n"; exit(); } From barryfdowling at iprimus.com.au Mon Jan 31 07:47:15 2005 From: barryfdowling at iprimus.com.au (Barry Dowling) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:47:15 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Video playback. Message-ID: Hi, I'm after a little guidance. I'm putting together a DVD presentation using Dreamweaver. I have a page that has two frames. One menu frame and the other a content frame. When a link in the menu frame is clicked, I want the video file to playback automatically the full size of the content frame. The content frame size is 750px x 690px. What is the best way to accomplish this? Thanks. Barry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/05 From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Mon Jan 31 08:14:05 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:14:05 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Free tip -- Quicktime and Real video playback on PC / Windows Message-ID: <20050131141400.D8E25E0002E3@galaxy.systems.pipex.net> Tired of having to have Apple's clunky horrible dialog-box-nagging system-tray-hogging QuickTime player just to watch Quicktime videos? Fed up with struggling to suppress your irritation as you click through the tedium that is the Real Player installation process? Hurrah! alternatives! http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm Jason From jnabring at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 08:39:17 2005 From: jnabring at yahoo.com (Janet Nabring-Stager) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:39:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] Intranet Document Content Search Engine Message-ID: <20050131143917.68317.qmail@web41123.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Shaun - A few years ago, I successfully installed and used the following search engine product for my employer's (a non-profit) intranet: http://www.dtsearch.com/ Wasn't terribly difficult for a 'semi-technical' person to set up, with the assistance of our sys admin. I think they discuss some ways to create separate indexes for different users, in the Support/Help section. HTH - Janet Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:36:42 +0200 From: Shaun Clements To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" Subject: [thelist] Intranet Document Content Search Engine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" Message: 10 Hi Im hoping there is a source of divine knowledge out there. I have been tasked with providing a search engine facility which can run on a Linux Server, and search the contents of documents that reside on a windows machine. The one business requirement that I cannot resolve is that I need the search engine to search specific directories for particular users. I am looking for a product which can meet these requirements, will pay or use open source. Thanks in advance. Kind Regards, Shaun Clements Subject to www.relyant.co.za/edisclaim.htm ------------------------------ ===== Janet Nabring-Stager __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From ox4dboy at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 08:53:10 2005 From: ox4dboy at comcast.net (Jono) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:53:10 -0500 Subject: [thelist] setting up a PHP based mailing list [offlist] In-Reply-To: <41FB31C8.8050007@neptunewebworks.com> References: <41FB31C8.8050007@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: The soon to be available Mac Mini might be perfect for running this. $499, 6" x 2" is all the room it takes up, and it will run PHP til' the cows com home. You can turn the Mini into a Unix server, since it comes ready for that out of the box, thanks to OS X. I am just learning PHP/MySQL, etc., but it is something I am looking into myself. I am not familiar with Mailman ( yet ) but I'd assume that it would be no problem setting it up. Mac Mini: http://www.apple.com/macmini/ Just a thought. On Jan 29, 2005, at 1:48 AM, Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > I'm assuming you mean the kind of mailing list like this one, Evolt's > TheList, where users send to a common address and it goes out to > everyone else. This doesn't really answer your question, but many of > the major (and not-so-major) mailing lists are running Mailman. > Mailman is open source & free in the best GNU tradition, but AFAIK > it's for Linux/Unix/BSD servers only. You might consider getting an > inexpensive Linux/BSD box to use for only the mailing list or > something. > http://mailman.sourceforge.net/ From ox4dboy at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 09:00:15 2005 From: ox4dboy at comcast.net (Jono) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:00:15 -0500 Subject: [thelist] should we get a server...? In-Reply-To: <41FC9B13.1060306@meidomus.com> References: <41FC9B13.1060306@meidomus.com> Message-ID: The Mac Mini is an "inexpensive" solution that might suit your needs. You can connect an external HD to the mini, and store 100's of GBs of files, and when that's full, clean up, or grab another external rive. As already state, OS 10.3.x ( Jaguar - soon to be Panther 10.4 ) can handle all that you need. Mac mini: http://www.apple.com/macmini/ On Jan 30, 2005, at 3:30 AM, Burhan Khalid wrote: > You didn't mention what operating system your Mac has, but if its OSX, > then you already have the makings of a very nice server system (OSX > has UNIX at its core, which includes user permissions and whole lot of > other stuff that you can read about at apple.com). > > A NAS device + OSX + user permissions would solve your problems. You > really don't *need* a server, unless you plan to add additional > services. For example, if you want to share a printer (or assign > print permissions, etc.) OSX can take care of this. > > Instead of adding the headache of an additional box to manage, get a > NAS device and offload your storage to it. Then, assign permissions, > quotas, etc. from OSX to the NAS device. > > For backups, you can burn DVDs of your data (believe it or not, 200 GB > isn't that much -- I have 200 GB of space on my personal box, and its > almost full), or you can purchase two NAS devices and mirror them. From mark at testwiz.com Mon Jan 31 09:18:50 2005 From: mark at testwiz.com (Mark Marlow) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:18:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box Message-ID: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA machine for client side testing of Web applications. The general requirements are: Needs to run latest versions of IE/NS/Safari/FireFox. Needs to connect to internet via an ethernet network. I am hoping to pluck something off of Ebay, but I don't know what to look for. Much thanks! Mark From kristian at zimmer428.net Mon Jan 31 09:24:46 2005 From: kristian at zimmer428.net (Kristian Rink) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:24:46 +0100 Subject: [thelist] should we get a server...? In-Reply-To: <000c01c505e3$023bdd80$6601a8c0@bluedew> References: <20050128093709.2bd778e3@node428> <000c01c505e3$023bdd80$6601a8c0@bluedew> Message-ID: <20050131162446.2cf7794b@node428> Hi all; On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:14:58 -0800 "chris hardy" wrote: > http://www.digitalmediadesigner.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=28496 This is an interesting piece of hardware; however you might run into trouble in several ways with those: * Upgrading / servicing hardware. What happens if that box is full? May you easily replace the drive with just a bigger one? * Reliability - what sort of technology is inside this machine? Does it provide any sort of support for creating redundancy to capture hardware faults (or user misbehaviour)? Is it robust enough for everyday full-load usage? * Backup - you then still run with the difficulty of getting all this data stored on some other medium, likewise you might need a fast way to restore all that data in case something really goes totally wrong. To be brutally honest on that: Both the Mirra box or the idea of running a "mini mac" as storage box is completely perfect if you're running a single home-user system, to store some holiday images or mp3 files or whatever, but it will _not_ do if you want to get a professional, reliable solution to store your company data on it, because that's definitely not what they are supposed to. Professional NAS machines for enterprise usage are _expensive_ ( > $ 7k for the cheapest of those, good Tandbergs >> $ 10k) for some good reasons (reliable hardware, fault tolerance, scalability, ...). If you're running a company relying on digital data, you should never forget that those data probably are what you are living on, you should protect this in an appropriate way. Cheers, Kris From mwarden at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 09:31:30 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:31:30 -0500 Subject: mysql_error (was Re: [thelist] RE: [OT] god why isn't this thread done with) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Why didn't my query work? Why can't I connect to my database? What went > wrong? > > PHP provides a handy little function for most databases that allow you > to get a clearer view of what happened, mysql_error(). An example when > used with a query... > > if(!($result = mysql_query($myQuery, $myDatabaseConnection))){ > echo mysql_error() . "\n"; > exit(); > } You can actually just do this: $result = mysql_query($sql) or die(mysql_error()); if mysql_query() returns false, then the second part of the or will be executed. There you have your error message. Of course, it's your funural if you leave the die() in there post-launch. A creative use of constants and another OR could get around this problem, though. -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 09:36:37 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:36:37 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: G3, followed by a G4 as far as potential price. OSX can go on either. I have one that I havent used as an ancor on my boat, yet. On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:18:50 -0500, Mark Marlow wrote: > What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA > machine for client side testing of Web applications. The general > requirements are: > > Needs to run latest versions of IE/NS/Safari/FireFox. > Needs to connect to internet via an ethernet network. > > I am hoping to pluck something off of Ebay, but I don't know what to look > for. > > Much thanks! > Mark > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From j.m.stach at canterbury.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 09:36:02 2005 From: j.m.stach at canterbury.ac.uk (Justin Stach) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:36:02 +0000 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: On 31 Jan 2005, at 15:18, Mark Marlow wrote: > What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA > machine for client side testing of Web applications. The general > requirements are: > > Needs to run latest versions of IE/NS/Safari/FireFox. > Needs to connect to internet via an ethernet network. Wouldn't that be one of those lovely Mac Minis? J From stanson at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 09:36:54 2005 From: stanson at gmail.com (Theodore Serbinski) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:36:54 -0500 Subject: [thelist] setting up a PHP based mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > If you give us a better idea of the nature of this mailing list, it > would help. Size? Is it unidirectional (i.e., your client sends out > and that's it)? Etc. Ah, guess out I forgot some important specifics, didn't realize mailing lists were this complicated! Anyways, I need a mailing list for approximately a dozen users, no more, no less. Each person needs to be able to send an email to the list by using his/her choice email program (exactly like this list). Also, there should be a web based archive of emails sent on this list. The volume will be fairly low and this list only needs to be around for a few months, at which time it will be be taken down (but archives should still remain). Essentially this is just a temporarily solution (not my call unfortanetly) and my efforts for a bulletin board for similar functionality were turned down. Now with that clarification, along with the fact that we are running Apache, PHP, Perl, MySQL on Windows 2003, does that help? Is there a way to do something very similar with Exchange 2003 server? Maybe that would be easier. Thanks all! ted From steve at plankdesign.com Mon Jan 31 09:39:19 2005 From: steve at plankdesign.com (Steve Bissonnette) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:39:19 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Hi Mark, Possibly any older iMac (they will all run OS X 10.3) albeit slowly ... They all have built in Ethernet and will run all the apps you mentioned. You would only want to use this for testing . Not working on day to day unless you upgrade the RAM in it ... (we have a 233 mhz original blue and white iMac setup with 10.3 as a testing apache server and it works very well) Cheers, Steve On 1/31/05 10:18 AM, "Mark Marlow" wrote: > What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA > machine for client side testing of Web applications. The general > requirements are: > > Needs to run latest versions of IE/NS/Safari/FireFox. > Needs to connect to internet via an ethernet network. > > > I am hoping to pluck something off of Ebay, but I don't know what to look > for. > > Much thanks! > Mark Steve -- steve bissonnette steve at plankdesign.com PLANK. A multi-faceted-media company. http://www.plankdesign.com v. 514.875.0003 f. 514.875.7611 From rick.good at shiesl.com Mon Jan 31 09:41:23 2005 From: rick.good at shiesl.com (Rick) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:41:23 +0100 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Mark - Any Macintosh that I can think of will work. Your best bet might be the new Mac mini though if you have an extra keyboard, mouse, and monitor. If getting something on Ebay just make sure that it runs the OS X operating system. Rick On 1/31/05 4:18 PM, "Mark Marlow" wrote: > What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA > machine for client side testing of Web applications. The general > requirements are: > > Needs to run latest versions of IE/NS/Safari/FireFox. > Needs to connect to internet via an ethernet network. > > > I am hoping to pluck something off of Ebay, but I don't know what to look > for. > > Much thanks! > Mark -- ?If you tell me I'm sensible in addition to normal and wise, I'm going to punch you in the stomach. I'm as screwed up as the next person, and I like it that way.? Lt. Eve Dallas, Page 257, Imitation in Death by Nora Roberts writing as J. D. Robb. From ox4dboy at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 09:42:36 2005 From: ox4dboy at comcast.net (Jono) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:42:36 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Using JavaScript for non-clickable email addresses In-Reply-To: References: <84E014FE-6F15-11D9-9F6D-000A95A59E8A@comcast.net> <41F6BF63.407@neptunewebworks.com> <41F6CC40.2040208@onlinetools.org> <41F7B5BC.7060302@designshift.com> <1777.80.85.75.20.1106754390.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net> <41F90F76.4050109@designshift.com> <02ca01c5048f$d3c49f40$6401a8c0@studioframework> <41F91FAC.40906@designshift.com> <02e001c504a5$ba08eff0$6401a8c0@studioframework> <41FA4478.8010803@designshift.com> Message-ID: I started this thread a while back, and have settled on a temporary solution, using a combination of things I found through [theList]. I think it is a reasonable good approach to the problem, as far as non-server-side approaches go. It validates and has been tested on IE 6, FF, and Netscape 7 for PC, and FF, Safari, IE 5.2.3 for Mac OS 10.3.7. I also tested this with JAvascript disable and enabled in FF on both platforms. I will outline what I have done for anyone who might need something like this in the future: : : | T H E H T M L | : :

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: : | T H E J A V A S C R I P T | : : // this is email-fix.js // courtesy of Robert Vreeland // this is email.js // courtesy of http://www.bronze-age.com/nospam/ // Email.js version 5 var tld_ = new Array() tld_[0] = "com"; tld_[1] = "org"; tld_[2] = "net"; tld_[3] = "ws"; tld_[4] = "info"; tld_[10] = "co.uk"; tld_[11] = "org.uk"; tld_[12] = "gov.uk"; tld_[13] = "ac.uk"; var topDom_ = 13; var m_ = "mailto:"; var a_ = "@"; var d_ = "."; function mail(name, dom, tl, params) { var s = e(name,dom,tl); document.write(''+s+''); } function mail2(name, dom, tl, params, display) { document.write(''+display+''); } function e(name, dom, tl) { var s = name+a_; if (tl!=-2) { s+= dom; if (tl>=0) s+= d_+tld_[tl]; } else s+= swapper(dom); return s; } function swapper(d) { var s = ""; for (var i=0; i Message-ID: Hi, http://www.clicktime.com Very good.. Exceptional customer service over the years. And the paid version offers FASTER servers and good export options. Plus not too much $$$. Cheers, Steve -- steve bissonnette steve at plankdesign.com PLANK. A multi-faceted-media company. http://www.plankdesign.com v. 514.875.0003 f. 514.875.7611 On 1/31/05 5:34 AM, "Hershel Robinson" wrote: > I am a fan of AllNetic Working Time Tracker: > > http://www.allnetic.com/working-time-tracker/ > > It's simple, lightweight and easy to use. > > Hershel From mr.sanders at designshift.com Mon Jan 31 09:52:38 2005 From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:52:38 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Using JavaScript for non-clickable email addresses In-Reply-To: References: <84E014FE-6F15-11D9-9F6D-000A95A59E8A@comcast.net> <41F6BF63.407@neptunewebworks.com> <41F6CC40.2040208@onlinetools.org> <41F7B5BC.7060302@designshift.com> <1777.80.85.75.20.1106754390.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net> <41F90F76.4050109@designshift.com> <02ca01c5048f$d3c49f40$6401a8c0@studioframework> <41F91FAC.40906@designshift.com> <02e001c504a5$ba08eff0$6401a8c0@studioframework> <41FA4478.8010803@designshift.com> Message-ID: <41FE5446.9080600@designshift.com> >>What I'd like to know is if the technique proposed - clicking on a link >>to a page which redirects to a mailto: link - would work. Can you >>redirect to a mailto:? > > Probably. Wouldn't be too hard to verify... > >>Would bots be able to harvest the email address >>anyway? > > Sure could. So is this a technique that people have used in the past and email harvesters have learned to work around? Or it is something they *might* learn to work around in the future? -- Sarah Sweeney :: Web Developer & Programmer Portfolio :: http://sarah.designshift.com Blog :: http://hardedge.ca From ox4dboy at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 09:49:04 2005 From: ox4dboy at comcast.net (Jono) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:49:04 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: For $499 you can get a BRAND NEW Mac Mini. The mini is a 1.25 GHZ G4, and is only 6.5" by 2". It is about the size of a typical O' Reilly book. Not only is it a great solution for testing, it is also great for a easy to set up server, or as a media center. You won't find anything nearly as awesome as the Mini on eBay... well not for $499 at least. The Mini is just the box, no Monitor, no moues, and no keyboard, but if you have one lying around, or extra that you don't use anymore, you can use them with the Mac mini. The are not sipping yet, but will be soon. I would wait, and get one while you can, they are gonna' sell out quick. Take a look here: Mac Mini: http://www.apple.com/macmini/ On Jan 31, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Mark Marlow wrote: > What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA > machine for client side testing of Web applications. The general > requirements are: > > Needs to run latest versions of IE/NS/Safari/FireFox. > Needs to connect to internet via an ethernet network. > > > I am hoping to pluck something off of Ebay, but I don't know what to > look > for. > > Much thanks! > Mark From ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br Mon Jan 31 09:58:14 2005 From: ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br (Rui Madeira) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:58:14 -0300 (ART) Subject: [thelist] Html question on coldfusion Message-ID: <20050131155814.56586.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Hello to everyone rom Portugal #Descricao# #Concelho# This is my script. What I need is that when the return in #Descri??o# is "something" it wouldn?t be transformed into a link Can anybody help me? Thank you in advanced Rui Madeira --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis - Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador do Yahoo! agora. From viveka.weiley at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 10:06:26 2005 From: viveka.weiley at gmail.com (Viveka Weiley) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:06:26 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Re: Logo design (long) In-Reply-To: References: <430A5014-7077-11D9-811B-000A95AF7F7E@printelectric.com> <4.2.0.58.20050127143049.01eb45d8@mx.delime.com> <41F98EB2.8010909@inreach.com> <3517424c050127180517e699ab@mail.gmail.com> <41FC9DC4.3010300@meidomus.com> Message-ID: <3517424c05013108062234ef49@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:16:48 -0500, Tara Cleveland wrote: > > On 30-Jan-05, at 3:41 AM, Burhan Khalid wrote: > > Please, please, post this URL when you get it live. I need to > > bookmark this to compare with local regulations, and thanks for your > > very informative post. If there was ever a "best post" award, you'd > > get my vote ... and thanks again. Thanks, but it's not quite there yet, as Tara points out :) > I'm sorry, I just can't let this go any longer. Especially since people > seem to be taking it as fact. > > Some of the things that Viveka wrote are just not true. And in some > cases she's got it dangerously wrong! Copyright laws are not simple. > They aren't impossible to understand, but they aren't simple either. I didn't say they were simple - just not rocket science. Mortal humans can understand them with some effort and research. > ********* > Any graphic design that's published is automatically copyright. If you > did it for a client without a contract saying otherwise, then it's > "work for hire" and they own the rights. > *********** > > No, no and no. Actually it's the opposite. If you are an *employee* > then your work is owned by your employer. Otherwise, unless the > copyright is specifically sold in a contract, then you as the > contractor and author own the copyright to the work. You're right, I had it entirely backwards. Sorry to the list, and thanks for the correction. My fingers were moving faster than my brain there. If it's created in the course of employment, then the rights are owned by your employer. If you're a contractor and the work has been commissioned, you own the rights, unless there's a written contract saying otherwise. At least in Australia, this is an area where a verbal or implicit contract cuts no mustard; copyright assignments must be in writing. In the US there's a special form of commission where you sign a "work for hire" agreement that gives the employer the rights as if it were a work for hire; elsewhere you have to draw up a contract to assign the rights if the client wants them. > *************** > This is how almost all > graphic design work is done, across various fields. Photography is a > special case; Photographers often carry around a bevy of release forms > and contracts to ensure that they keep the rights, and only assign > specific usage to their clients. If you're a designer you could try to > do the same, but it would be very unusual and you would lose any > well-informed clients." > ************* > > This is misleading. Photography is *not* a special case in terms of > copyright (in general). I didn't mean to say that it was a special case *in law*, just that the standard business practices of photographers are different to the standard business practice of logo designers. > Photographers carry around release forms as > model releases because people have a right to control their own image > and must release copyright to it. Really? Here's a relevant excerpt from Professor Lawrence Lessig's book "Free Culture" http://www.honors.montana.edu/%7Ejjc/freeculture.html#page47 (Main page at http://www.free-culture.cc/ - the book is Freely available under a Creative Commons license, so there are remixes in every format imaginable) "Courts were asked whether the photographer, amateur or professional, required permission before he could capture and print whatever image he wanted. Their answer was no." There are exceptions for famous people, and considerations of privacy (but not in public places). I do know that photographers get release forms though; perhaps they're covering themselves in case their subject turns out to be famous. Anyone else understand this better? > An ad you design > for Acme Hydroponics is not likely to be reused by their competitors or > someone in another industry. And in the case of a competitor, if there's a confusing similarity there could be a case for Passing Off, if a reasonable person would think that the similar designs meant that the two organisations were related to each other. This isn't about copyright though, it's more about fraud. Passing Off can happen without copyright infringement; for example if you simply made a false claim of association in the text of an ad. > ******* > Depending on your jurisdiction you will retain "fair use" or "fair > dealing" rights to the work. In the US these are not clearly defined > in statute; however I've never heard of anyone being sued for > incorporating images of work in a portfolio. This is probably because: > ********** > > In fact, in most jurisdictions, if you do not hold copyright you > *cannot* use the work in this way. You must get specific permission to > do so. In some places you *might* be able to argue it's a moral right - > but I'm not sure. A good thing to have in your employment contract is > that you have the right to use works that you have created in > subsequent portfolios. Rights to pursue your profession are not written > into most copyright law - however they may be part of employment law or > case law. But as you point out, as the creator you *do* hold copyright; since you can only assign your rights to a commissioned work by contract having restraint of trade clauses in contract law is sufficient. I agree that moral rights are fuzzy, and probably not applicable here. In Australia, any clause in a contract that would create a restraint of trade is unenforceable, unless the other side can prove that it's reasonable and no broader than necessary. The onus of proof is on them. Then if they can prove that it's reasonable (to both parties), you can still argue that it's against the public interest. > Rights to pursue your profession differ dramatically in > different jurisdictions. Look up your local law. Good point; and courts may have different ideas of what constitutes a reasonable and/or necessary restraint of trade. > Fair dealing and fair use deals with the following types of situations I wasn't clear enough in separating my clauses. I agree that a portfolio would probably not be a non-infringing use under Fair Use/Dealing. It would be more likely to be a permitted use since you would retain creator's copyrights unless you assigned them in a contract, and even if you did assign them you would still have the right not to be restrained in your trade, and it should be plain enough to argue that: 1. having a portfolio of work is crucial to your professional practice 2. preventing you from using an image in your portfolio does not protect any legitimate commercial interest of the client. Also note that I said "I've never heard of anyone being sued for incorporating images of work in a portfolio", which doesn't mean that it couldn't happen. However I consider it pretty unlikely, both because it fails the restraint of trade test and because any damages would be minuscule as they'd have to demonstrate the extent to which your portfolio damaged their business, which would in all likelihood be Not At All. > ****** > So how can they own the copyright to the rollover? Easy - copyright > can subsist in more than one person at once. They hold it (entirely) > and you do too. It's *not* property, it's a right, which can be held > by more than one person at once. > ****** > > This is partially true, but not very clear. Two joint authors can hold > copyright to the same work. It's only in quite specific circumstances > that you would give your client joint authorship copyright instead of > usage rights. However it's more common to give all copyright (except > moral rights). If you've given all copyright over your work to your > client, you cannot then go and use that rollover code again. You must > retain copyright. You can give your client the right to USE that > rollover code, but that doesn't mean they own all copyright to it. I'm used to working with open source/free software, where joint authorship copyright is the norm, and contributors commonly assign such a copyright to the maintainer of a work. But you're right, usage rights for clients is a more usual practice. Also my statement above saying that copyright is not property was perhaps a little politically motivated. Copyright itself is treated as property, but infringement of that copyright is infringement of the right that you own, rather than a theft of that right. Theft of copyrights is more the kind of thing that record labels do to songwriters. > Just to make it more clear: you can have joint copyright, give full > copyright or give usage rights. Joint copyright given to a non-author > would have to be spelled out explicitly. Selling copyright means that > you no longer own the copyright. Giving usage rights (quite common > actually) means that you aren't selling all copyrights but only > specific rights. I think that's pretty clear. > If you don't spell out joint authorship or specific usage rights, but > sell or assign copyright that means that you *may not* use that > specific rollover code again. I disagree; I think you may use it again if to do otherwise would unreasonably restrain your trade. > Whether you retain moral rights on Work for Hire depends on your > jurisdiction. The US and UK definitely exclude it. Other jurisdictions > are different. Canadian law says it resides in the author. YMMV. > > Moral rights also covers attribution - which means that someone can't > buy your web site design and claim they created it unless you > specifically waive moral rights. You can also stop someone from > publicly claiming that you created it if you don't want the work to be > attributed to you (very useful with some clients that have you create > hideous work that you'd rather not have attributed to you). > > Moral rights don't cover all things that can be copyrighted in all > jurisdictions. In the US (AFAIK) moral rights cover visual art only. Go > check out your local laws for more info. Thanks, that's quite illuminating. > Okay, so that's it from me. I haven't looked into patent or trademark > law so I won't comment on those two issues. Although I don't agree with all your comments, you did correct one glaring error and brought some very useful knowledge to the discussion - thank you! Hopefully with some more input we can turn this into a useful definitive article. Regards, V. -- Viveka Weiley, Karmanaut. http://www.karmanaut.com For a Free Geospace: http://www.planet-earth.org | http://www.ping.com.au VR on the Mac: http://www.MacWeb3D.org From evolt_org at striderweb.com Mon Jan 31 10:09:15 2005 From: evolt_org at striderweb.com (Stephen Rider) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:09:15 -0600 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Mark Marlow wrote: > What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA > machine for client side testing of Web applications. The general > requirements are: > > Needs to run latest versions of IE/NS/Safari/FireFox. > Needs to connect to internet via an ethernet network. I'll "third" the suggestion of a Mac Mini. Get a KVM switch and you can use the exact same keyboard/monitor/mouse you already have hooked up to your primary computer. The Mac is truly tiny and you'll hardly notice it's even there until you want to use it. :) Starts at $500. This is a fast G4 (not a G5) -- an excellent consumer-grade computer and perfectly capable of running as an Apache server for testing purposes, as well as the browsers you mentioned. According to Apple's website, it is "now shipping". Steve Rider Disclaimer: I own Apple stock. Go buy lots of Macs! ;-) From lists at onlinetools.org Mon Jan 31 10:00:41 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Chris Heilmann) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:00:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [thelist] Using JavaScript for non-clickable email addresses In-Reply-To: <41FE5446.9080600@designshift.com> References: <84E014FE-6F15-11D9-9F6D-000A95A59E8A@comcast.net><41F6BF63.407@neptunewebworks.com> <41F6CC40.2040208@onlinetools.org><41F7B5BC.7060302@designshift.com><1777.80.85.75.20.1106754390.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net><41F90F76.4050109@designshift.com><02ca01c5048f$d3c49f40$6401a8c0@studioframework><41F91FAC.40906@designshift.com><02e001c504a5$ba08eff0$6401a8c0@studioframework><41FA4478.8010803@designshift.com> <41FE5446.9080600@designshift.com> Message-ID: <29462.80.85.75.20.1107187241.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net> >>>What I'd like to know is if the technique proposed - clicking on a link >>>to a page which redirects to a mailto: link - would work. Can you >>>redirect to a mailto:? >> >> Probably. Wouldn't be too hard to verify... >> >>>Would bots be able to harvest the email address >>>anyway? I put that on my blog when I came up with an idea about that the other day, some friends of mine gave it a spin and are still wondering: http://www.wait-till-i.com/index.php?p=6 I thought about setting up a demo page and see if spam comes in... -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 10:14:11 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: [OT] blaster worm punishment Message-ID: <20050131161411.35813.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> If someone unleashed a pest in your house that began destroying everything in it, your library, CD collection, photo scrapbooks, television, furniture, wouldn't you be angry? If I snuck up on you while you were asleep, and injected you with a disease, like polio, or Alzheimers, or some cancer, what would that make me? If I poured sand into your car's engine, and sugar into your gas tank, and punctured your tires, what then? For those who don't like any mention of "terrorists", thinking it merely a Republican buzzword: The juiciest target for terrorists is the internet and networked systems of anybody who doesn't agree with them. According to Ed Skoudis, respected and well-known specialist in malware and network security, attacks on computers and networks will skyrocket in 2005, from both criminals and terrorists. (see Counter Hack web site, google it) I am decidedly not patriotic, xenophobic or political in any way shape or form. I am more of an *ethical* anarchist. Yet I despise criminal activity and destructive acts. If justice is slow or punishment is mild, this destruction will escalate. And why blame the carpenter if your house is not an impregnable fortress? ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lists at onlinetools.org Mon Jan 31 10:07:40 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Chris Heilmann) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:07:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [thelist] Using JavaScript for non-clickable email addresses In-Reply-To: References: <84E014FE-6F15-11D9-9F6D-000A95A59E8A@comcast.net><41F6BF63.407@neptunewebworks.com> <41F6CC40.2040208@onlinetools.org><41F7B5BC.7060302@designshift.com><1777.80.85.75.20.1106754390.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net><41F90F76.4050109@designshift.com><02ca01c5048f$d3c49f40$6401a8c0@studioframework><41F91FAC.40906@designshift.com><02e001c504a5$ba08eff0$6401a8c0@studioframework><41FA4478.8010803@designshift.com> Message-ID: <29593.80.85.75.20.1107187660.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net> > I started this thread a while back, and have settled on a temporary > solution, using a combination of things I found through [theList]. I > think it is a reasonable good approach to the problem, as far as > non-server-side approaches go. It validates and has been tested on IE > 6, FF, and Netscape 7 for PC, and FF, Safari, IE 5.2.3 for Mac OS > 10.3.7. I also tested this with JAvascript disable and enabled in FF > on both platforms. I will outline what I have done for anyone who > might need something like this in the future: I still consider any Javascript solution that needs a lot of inline event calls and extraneous markup useless. The idea is to kee our HTML separated from our CSS and our JS. http://www.onlinetools.org/tests/emailobfuscate.html http://www.onlinetools.org/tests/deobfuscate.js needs none of that. It can easily be extended for clickable links and allows you to change the obfuscation from time to time or even from email to email (by adding to the regexp) -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From Brian at hondaswap.com Mon Jan 31 10:18:48 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:18:48 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: References: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <41FE5A68.3090704@hondaswap.com> Stephen Rider wrote: > > According to Apple's website, it is "now shipping". > this thing is a steal! I just spec'ed one out... ? 512MB DDR333 SDRAM - 1 DIMM ? 80GB Ultra ATA drive ? 4x SuperDrive (DVD?RW/CD-RW) ? Wireless Keyboard & Mouse Set - U.S. English ? 56K v.92 Modem ? Mac OS X - U.S. English ? 1.42GHz PowerPC G4 Estimated Ship: 3-4 weeks Free Shipping Subtotal $873.00 so, its going to take a while to get here.. and a complete system that will match my current desktop system for 1/4 the price i built it for 2 years ago. I feel, ripped off. lol This is def on my list to buy over the next couple weeks From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 10:38:40 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:38:40 -0500 Subject: [thelist] generating output from select statement. Message-ID: been looking all over for this, and somehow I seem to be missing it. select record1","record3","record2","record8","record4","record6","record10 from dealer where email not like 'test at test.com'; mysql -s database < query.sql > output.txt which should output a text file with data1,data3,data2,data8,data4,data6,data10 data1,data3,data2,data8,data4,data6,data10 data1,data3,data2,data8,data4,data6,data10 data1,data3,data2,data8,data4,data6,data10 data1,data3,data2,data8,data4,data6,data10 ... what do I seem to be doing wrong? From evolt_org at striderweb.com Mon Jan 31 10:40:04 2005 From: evolt_org at striderweb.com (Stephen Rider) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:40:04 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Re: Logo design... In-Reply-To: <3517424c050127180517e699ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <430A5014-7077-11D9-811B-000A95AF7F7E@printelectric.com> <4.2.0.58.20050127143049.01eb45d8@mx.delime.com> <41F98EB2.8010909@inreach.com> <3517424c050127180517e699ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For those interested in copyright law as pertains to web design: If you're in the USA, you might find this book from Nolo Law useful -- Also: On Jan 27, 2005, at 8:05 PM, Viveka Weiley wrote: > Trademarks have the special quality that they must also be defended. > If another Giant Octopus web design starts up and you don't tell them > to stop infringing your registered trade mark quick smart, then you > could lose it. This is *not* the case for copyrights, and I don't know > if it is for patents. FYI -- it seems this can apply to copyright as well. An anecdotal story, to be sure, but... I know a person who writes fiction on a mailing list. At one point he was tying his work into an established professional author's world (that of Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, if it matters to you). At some point, he actually met Ms. Yarbro and as soon as she became aware of what he had done, she asked him to remove all references to her work. The argument was effectively that she _had_ to ask him to remove it, or lose protection of her characters. Someone who came along later and infringed her copyrights could point to her knowing about the earlier fan fiction and not stopping it as a legal argument that since she had knowingly not blocked such infringement before, she had given up the right to do so later. Apparently, in an earlier case, some people had asked her for permission to use her characters, and for the same reasons, she said "No". They then went ahead and used the characters, and because she had already said no, she _had_ to sue them for damages or set the precedent of non-copyright-enforcement. I believe her other option is to look the other way and pretend not to notice it, but once they had asked her permission and gotten an answer, that was no longer an option. Obviously I don't know the specific legal terminology, but the meaning is pretty clear. Steve Rider ...is not a lawyer From evolt at mpember.net.au Mon Jan 31 10:46:25 2005 From: evolt at mpember.net.au (Michael Pemberton) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 03:46:25 +1100 Subject: [thelist] generating output from select statement. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41FE60E1.2060205@mpember.net.au> Dan McCullough wrote: > been looking all over for this, and somehow I seem to be missing it. > select record1","record3","record2","record8","record4","record6","record10 > from dealer where email not like 'test at test.com'; Try: SELECT `record1`,`record3`,`record2`,`record8`, `record4`,`record6`,`record10` FROM dealer WHERE `email` <> 'test at test.com'; You will see that the field names use ` instead of ' or " to wrap them. -- Michael Pemberton evolt at mpember.net.au From chris at ncafe.com Mon Jan 31 10:47:30 2005 From: chris at ncafe.com (Chris) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:47:30 -0800 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <41FE6122.4070000@ncafe.com> Apple just came out with a tiny new G4 desktop. Its called the MacMini http://www.apple.com/macmini/ It seels for $499 in the cheapest configuration, and its quite fast. It does not come with a keyboard, mouse or monitor, but they are available separately. It does have Ethernet, Firewire, and USB2 and is compatible with a huge number of peripherals. It will also drive a very large monitor, although the 3D performance might not be as good as the latest G5 Macs or PCs equipped with the latest hardware.. However, its ideal for browser testing and a LOT else.. If you are wedded to Windows, I'd just get a KVM switch and a USB keyboard and mouse, and use that on both machines.. (All modern PCs can use both USB and PS2 keyboards) Then you can switch back and forth at will and get full-speed performance on both. I use Macs running OSX for about 90% of my development work... You can run almost anything on a Mac... including tons of free Unix software (check out the Fink and Darwin Ports projects) Don't buy an old used machine.. With used Macs you almost never get your moneys worth.. The sellers are so fixated on getting at least half of what they paid for the thing, while the price for a given level of power is dropping mush faster. For $499 you get a NEW, fast Mac. They should have done this years ago.. Then 90% of the world would not be stuck as it is with Windows. OSX is based on BSD Unix. It is rock-solid stable and a joy to use. Chris Mark Marlow wrote: > What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA > machine for client side testing of Web applications. The general > requirements are: > > Needs to run latest versions of IE/NS/Safari/FireFox. > Needs to connect to internet via an ethernet network. > > > I am hoping to pluck something off of Ebay, but I don't know what to look > for. > > Much thanks! > Mark > From evolt_org at striderweb.com Mon Jan 31 10:46:17 2005 From: evolt_org at striderweb.com (Stephen Rider) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:46:17 -0600 Subject: [thelist] RE: [OT] blaster worm punishment In-Reply-To: <20050131161411.35813.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050131161411.35813.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Steven Streight wrote: > If someone unleashed a pest in your house that began > destroying everything in it, your library, CD > collection, photo scrapbooks, television, furniture, > wouldn't you be angry? Yes. > If I snuck up on you while you were asleep, and > injected you with a disease, like polio, or > Alzheimers, or some cancer, what would that make me? A murderer. > If I poured sand into your car's engine, and sugar > into your gas tank, and punctured your tires, what > then? A vandal. > For those who don't like any mention of "terrorists", > thinking it merely a Republican buzzword: The juiciest > target for terrorists is the internet and networked > systems of anybody who doesn't agree with them. Yes, but that doesn't make any idiot who puts out a virus a "terrorist". This word has become massively overused in recent years. No, not everyone who does "something bad" qualifies for the term. > And why blame the carpenter if your house is not an > impregnable fortress? Impregnable fortress? No. But if my house has gaps in the walls, a leaky roof, and a front door that pops out of the frame any time anyone gives it a good tug, I sure as heck _would_ blame the carpenter. Steve Rider From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Mon Jan 31 10:50:30 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:50:30 -0600 Subject: [thelist] RE: [OT] blaster worm punishment Message-ID: [snip] And why blame the carpenter if your house is not an impregnable fortress? [/snip] That would depend on your specs for said house. And as long as we continue off topic, tips are owed..... How many of you practice good indexing? Many of us forget at creation time to set the fields that should be indexed because we typically go ahead and create what we think we need and then kludge onto that. Indexing should be balanced though, because for each index added to improve SELECT times we often reduce performance for INSERTs, UPDATEs and DELETEs. There are several tools available to help you do database design so that you can see potential indexes. One favorite is DBDesigner4 from fab force, http://www.fabforce.net/index.php From todd at promisingsites.com Mon Jan 31 10:56:29 2005 From: todd at promisingsites.com (Todd Richards) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:56:29 -0600 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <41FE6122.4070000@ncafe.com> Message-ID: <200501311059125.SM01536@matrix> I agree on the MacMini - I'm actually looking at getting one myself (die-hard PC fan). However, as far as the comments about grabbing a KVM, you need to make sure that the cables for the KVM are USB - NOT PS/2 (as most are). Otherwise you will only be able to use it on your PC. Todd From mattias at inreach.com Mon Jan 31 11:04:20 2005 From: mattias at inreach.com (Mattias Thorslund) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:04:20 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Re: Logo design... In-Reply-To: References: <430A5014-7077-11D9-811B-000A95AF7F7E@printelectric.com> <4.2.0.58.20050127143049.01eb45d8@mx.delime.com> <41F98EB2.8010909@inreach.com> <3517424c050127180517e699ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41FE6514.1000103@inreach.com> Stephen Rider wrote: > For those interested in copyright law as pertains to web design: > > If you're in the USA, you might find this book from Nolo Law useful -- > Thanks > > FYI -- it seems this can apply to copyright as well. An anecdotal > story, to be sure, but... I know a person who writes fiction on a > mailing list. At one point he was tying his work into an established > professional author's world (that of Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, if it > matters to you). At some point, he actually met Ms. Yarbro and as > soon as she became aware of what he had done, she asked him to remove > all references to her work. The argument was effectively that she > _had_ to ask him to remove it, or lose protection of her characters. > Someone who came along later and infringed her copyrights could point > to her knowing about the earlier fan fiction and not stopping it as a > legal argument that since she had knowingly not blocked such > infringement before, she had given up the right to do so later. I don't think this has anything to do with copyright - it seems to me that a fictional character would rather be considered an Idea, which is not protected under copyright. What the author did was more consistent with defending a trademark, since trademark law works like that. I have no idea what law protects fictional character, it may not be trademark law. But no, I'm not a lawyer either. /Mattias -- More views at http://www.thorslund.us From dave at tokyocomedy.com Mon Jan 31 11:13:13 2005 From: dave at tokyocomedy.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 02:13:13 +0900 Subject: [thelist] Adding an indicator to collapsable content [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41FE6729.1090408@tokyocomedy.com> Gijs, Thank you for writing and sharing that code. Exactly what I was looking for! My site is now working just as I had hoped it would. Matt, Thanks for taking the time to explain the code for me. I did look at the page you had previously mentioned, but it was too hard for me to go from there to adding the changes you later offered. I'm sure your code was good, I'm just not at all versed in Java Script. Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions. -- Dave Gutteridge dave at tokyocomedy.com From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 11:30:00 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:30:00 -0500 Subject: [thelist] generating output from select statement. In-Reply-To: <41FE60E1.2060205@mpember.net.au> References: <41FE60E1.2060205@mpember.net.au> Message-ID: Ahhh yes the ` instead of ' always forget that. On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 03:46:25 +1100, Michael Pemberton wrote: > Dan McCullough wrote: > > been looking all over for this, and somehow I seem to be missing it. > > select record1","record3","record2","record8","record4","record6","record10 > > from dealer where email not like 'test at test.com'; > > Try: > > SELECT > `record1`,`record3`,`record2`,`record8`, > `record4`,`record6`,`record10` > FROM dealer > WHERE `email` <> 'test at test.com'; > > You will see that the field names use ` instead of ' or " to wrap them. > > -- > Michael Pemberton > evolt at mpember.net.au > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From rob.smith at THERMON.com Mon Jan 31 11:51:27 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:51:27 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver MX Fatal Exception Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D0BF@smtmb.tmc.local> Hi, I thought it was a fluke, but it happened again. I'm copy and pasting about 1000 lines of code from file_A to file_B. I don't save file_B but go to "Put" the file to the server: "Dreamweaver encountered a fatal exception. Dreamweaver will now terminate." (evoke sounds of death whilst sticking out thy tongue) Seen this? Rob Smith From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Jan 31 12:03:53 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:03:53 -0800 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3khdg6$hf1vmj@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <41FE7309.3030008@neptunewebworks.com> Mark Marlow wrote: > What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA > machine for client side testing of Web applications. While I'm mighty tempted by that MacMini as well, if you're just lookin to do some browser testing you can pick up a G3 with OS X for about $200 on eBay. I got a blue-and-white G3 with OS X 10.2.3, and got a KVM switch (USB!!) for $25 or so incl shipping (cf NewEgg.com), works great. I'm also using it to play with PHP 5 and Apache 2. Amusingly, the G3 came from another web dev, who was thinning his herd of Macs to justify picking up a Windows machine for the same purpose of web app testing. I must say, that even on this G3, OS X is superb. A good mix of consumer slickness (e.g. iLife) and Unix power. If you can afford the few extra clams for a new Mini, you will likely be pleased with the purchase. -- Maximillian Von Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From webdad at tampabay.rr.com Mon Jan 31 12:14:45 2005 From: webdad at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Boisvert) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:14:45 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver MX Fatal Exception In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D0BF@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <002c01c507c0$be86fcc0$6401a8c0@SARJENMOBILE> "Dreamweaver encountered a fatal exception. Dreamweaver will now terminate." Rob, Have you recently installed any extensions, particularly ones that may have affected DW's xml files? Some times this can be the cause of Dreamweaver killing itself. Try uninstalling some of the latest extensions you've installed and see if that helps. Bob --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.845 / Virus Database: 574 - Release Date: 1/25/2005 From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 12:15:04 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:15:04 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver MX Fatal Exception In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D0BF@smtmb.tmc.local> References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D0BF@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: This sounds similar to problem I have with Homesite, and as you know Dreamweaver absorbed Homesite for MX version. Basically I have never found a cure for it, I ended up living with it. On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:51:27 -0600, Rob Smith wrote: > Hi, > > I thought it was a fluke, but it happened again. I'm copy and pasting about > 1000 lines of code from file_A to file_B. I don't save file_B but go to > "Put" the file to the server: > > "Dreamweaver encountered a fatal exception. Dreamweaver will now terminate." > (evoke sounds of death whilst sticking out thy tongue) > > Seen this? > > Rob Smith > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From webguync at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 12:45:33 2005 From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:45:33 -0500 Subject: [thelist] .asp pages not previewing on remote server Message-ID: <463b785d0501311045322a070d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have been trying to preview my .asp pages on my remote server via dreamweaver and I get a 404 'page cannot be found error' when doing this. I can preview .asp files fine on my local machine running IIS and when I rename files with a .htm they preview fine from the remote server. So that narrows it down to being an issue with the remote server and .asp extensions. I checked to make sure the files are indeed residing on the remote server and they are there. Is this indeed a server setting issue or might there be something else going on? I am not very accustomed to .asp development. -- ::Bruce:: From damiencola at wanadoo.fr Mon Jan 31 12:55:14 2005 From: damiencola at wanadoo.fr (Alliax) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:55:14 +0100 Subject: [thelist] RE: [OT] blaster worm punishment In-Reply-To: <20050131161411.35813.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050131161411.35813.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41FE7F12.3080505@wanadoo.fr> Please Steven stop with that topic, I restrained myself until now to tell you that YOU should go to jail not this guy. You should go there for a few months and then we'll see if you'll be so prompt to ask for more prison for others. What is your point ? why do you want to know what other web designers are thinking ? What do you care ? Do it elsewhere. Steven Streight wrote: > If someone unleashed a pest in your house that began > destroying everything in it, your library, CD > collection, photo scrapbooks, television, furniture, > wouldn't you be angry?.. From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Jan 31 12:58:03 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:58:03 -0800 Subject: [thelist] PHP Templating recommendations Message-ID: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> I've been using Smarty to good effect lately (it's not as difficult as some here have implied). However there are times when Smarty is a like a sledgehammer for a thumbtack. Can anyone recommend a lightweight, *fast*, yet fairly versatile templating class for PHP? (PHP 4.3.10). I can certainly go forth and roll my own, but I'm sure many others have been down this road before... I'm looking for recommendations based on personal experience. Thanks in advance. -- Maximillian Von Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From Brian at hondaswap.com Mon Jan 31 13:04:07 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:04:07 -0500 Subject: [thelist] .asp pages not previewing on remote server In-Reply-To: <463b785d0501311045322a070d@mail.gmail.com> References: <463b785d0501311045322a070d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41FE8127.1010003@hondaswap.com> Bruce Gilbert wrote: > Hello, > > I have been trying to preview my .asp pages on my remote server via > dreamweaver and I get a 404 'page cannot be found error' when doing > this. I can preview .asp files fine on my local machine running IIS > and when I rename files with a .htm they preview fine from the remote > server. So that narrows it down to being an issue with the remote > server and .asp extensions. > I checked to make sure the files are indeed residing on the remote > server and they are there. Is this indeed a server setting issue or > might there be something else going on? I am not very accustomed to > .asp development. is it a 2k3 server? if so, asp is off by defualt, and asp.net is on instead. From thudfactor at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 13:09:55 2005 From: thudfactor at gmail.com (John williams) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:09:55 -0500 Subject: [thelist] PHP Templating recommendations In-Reply-To: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> References: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <910e7a8305013111093c878e29@mail.gmail.com> Nothing is more lightweight and fast than just using PHP's own print-and-echo statements. Remember you can use in place of . In fact, just by using a class definition you are significantly slowing down the execution of PHP. I like Smarty, too, and use it in most of my large projects. And I also use classes, so this shouldn't be taken as a slam against Smarty or classes in general. But for simple survey or form handlers, I don't think anything beats straight PHP. It is, after all, what PHP was originally designed to do. On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:58:03 -0800, Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > I've been using Smarty to good effect lately (it's not as difficult as > some here have implied). However there are times when Smarty is a like > a sledgehammer for a thumbtack.... From Anthony at Baratta.com Mon Jan 31 13:13:43 2005 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:13:43 -0800 Subject: [thelist] .asp pages not previewing on remote server In-Reply-To: <463b785d0501311045322a070d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050131111152.0369df80@maditalian.baratta.com> At 10:45 AM 1/31/2005, Bruce Gilbert wrote: >Hello, > >I have been trying to preview my .asp pages on my remote server via >dreamweaver and I get a 404 'page cannot be found error' when doing >this. I can preview .asp files fine on my local machine running IIS >and when I rename files with a .htm they preview fine from the remote >server. So that narrows it down to being an issue with the remote >server and .asp extensions. Is the remote server Win2.3K? If so, you might need to activate the ASP engine, which is off by default. Start of the IIS Manager on the remote machine, go to Web Services Extensions and see if Active Server Pages is allowed or prohibited. -- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 13:34:19 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:34:19 -0500 Subject: [thelist] overflow: auto; Message-ID: having a small issue with implementing this. i cant implement this. :) I have some content on one side its a box thats 425x400, and inside the box are images. these images should overflow below the bottom of the box and a scroll bar should appear. however what happens is that the box streches to fit the rows that should be going underneath. HTML ##########################################################





############################################################### CSS########################################################### #styleSelect {background-color:#fff;height:425px;width:400px;text-align:center;border:3px solid #68BB30;padding:5px;float:middle;vertical-align:top;overflow:auto;} .styleimage {padding:10px 5px 10px 5px; overflow: hidden;} ############################################################### now normally I do something incrediably stupid so be kind. :) From mattias at inreach.com Mon Jan 31 13:34:59 2005 From: mattias at inreach.com (Mattias Thorslund) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:34:59 -0800 Subject: [thelist] PHP Templating recommendations In-Reply-To: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> References: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <41FE8863.7080501@inreach.com> Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > I've been using Smarty to good effect lately (it's not as difficult as > some here have implied). However there are times when Smarty is a > like a sledgehammer for a thumbtack. Can anyone recommend a > lightweight, *fast*, yet fairly versatile templating class for PHP? > (PHP 4.3.10). I can certainly go forth and roll my own, but I'm sure > many others have been down this road before... I'm looking for > recommendations based on personal experience. > > Thanks in advance. I still like using PHP as the templating engine, as described by Brian Lozier: http://www.massassi.com/php/articles/template_engines/ I've been out of the loop on templates for a while (but I use Brian's template class), so if anyone knows what's the latest wisdom on the subject of PHP as the template engine, please let me know or provide some pointers. /Mattias Thorslund -- More views at http://www.thorslund.us From evoltlist at delime.com Mon Jan 31 13:37:23 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:37:23 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Re: Logo design (long) In-Reply-To: <3517424c05013108062234ef49@mail.gmail.com> References: <430A5014-7077-11D9-811B-000A95AF7F7E@printelectric.com> <4.2.0.58.20050127143049.01eb45d8@mx.delime.com> <41F98EB2.8010909@inreach.com> <3517424c050127180517e699ab@mail.gmail.com> <41FC9DC4.3010300@meidomus.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050131153521.01d949c0@mx.delime.com> Message from Viveka Weiley (1/31/2005 12:06 PM) >Really? >Here's a relevant excerpt from Professor Lawrence Lessig's book "Free Culture" >http://www.honors.montana.edu/%7Ejjc/freeculture.html#page47 >(Main page at http://www.free-culture.cc/ - the book is Freely >available under a Creative Commons license, so there are remixes in >every format imaginable) > >"Courts were asked whether the photographer, amateur or professional, >required permission before he could capture and print whatever image >he wanted. Their answer was no." You can take the photo. You can print the photo. You can put the photo in the newspapers. You cannot use the photo for advertising purposes. I can't take a photo of you drinking a Fosters beer, in private or public, and sell it to Fosters to be used in their promotional material without your consent. regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From adrinux at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 14:07:40 2005 From: adrinux at gmail.com (Adrian Simmons) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:07:40 +0000 Subject: [thelist] PHP Templating recommendations In-Reply-To: <910e7a8305013111093c878e29@mail.gmail.com> References: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> <910e7a8305013111093c878e29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41FE900C.3080707@gmail.com> John williams wrote: > Nothing is more lightweight and fast than just using PHP's own > print-and-echo statements. Remember you can use in place > of . Agreed. There's a nice article that advocates just that: http://www.phppatterns.com/index.php/article/articleview/4/1/1/ -- adrinux (aka Adrian Simmons) e-mail AOL/Yahoo IM: perlucida, Microsoft: adrian at perlucida.com From mwarden at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 14:19:49 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:19:49 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Using JavaScript for non-clickable email addresses In-Reply-To: <41FE5446.9080600@designshift.com> References: <84E014FE-6F15-11D9-9F6D-000A95A59E8A@comcast.net> <41F7B5BC.7060302@designshift.com> <1777.80.85.75.20.1106754390.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net> <41F90F76.4050109@designshift.com> <02ca01c5048f$d3c49f40$6401a8c0@studioframework> <41F91FAC.40906@designshift.com> <02e001c504a5$ba08eff0$6401a8c0@studioframework> <41FA4478.8010803@designshift.com> <41FE5446.9080600@designshift.com> Message-ID: Sarah, On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:52:38 -0400, Sarah Sweeney wrote: > >>Would bots be able to harvest the email address > >>anyway? > > > > Sure could. > > So is this a technique that people have used in the past and email > harvesters have learned to work around? Or it is something they *might* > learn to work around in the future? I highly doubt any harvesters can handle this method currently. No programmer would bother with it, because no one is using it. The flip side of that is: as soon as you use it, they'll add support for it. Not to mention that you are assuming that the client supports the mailto: peudo-protocol. My FF on linux does not. I'm sure I could set it up if I cared, but I don't. I get a nice "mailto: is not a supported protocol" dialog and decide it's not worth emailing (assuming the email address is not available there in text). Trying to keep addresses from being harvested is a losing battle, in my book. It's better to devise systems to easily identify spam as it comes in (like, for instance, the method gmail uses). -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From mwarden at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 14:34:45 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:34:45 -0500 Subject: [thelist] PHP Templating recommendations In-Reply-To: <910e7a8305013111093c878e29@mail.gmail.com> References: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> <910e7a8305013111093c878e29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: John, On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:09:55 -0500, John williams wrote: > Nothing is more lightweight and fast than just using PHP's own > print-and-echo statements. Remember you can use in place > of . In fact, just by using a class definition you > are significantly slowing down the execution of PHP. How much execution time on average are you saving by using straight PHP over Smarty? On its first invocation, Smarty compiles the template into straight PHP anyways, and your gains are on the order of fractions of milliseconds. Or, your "gains" are on the order of negative milliseconds, under many conditions where you should be semi-caching database-dependent output with something like Smarty. That menu you are generating from the databse -- how often does that change? Can it really change with every invocation of the script? You are sacrificing performance for the ability to easily change the menu, when you COULD have your cake and eat it too by an appropriate expiration on a portion of your Smarty-based output. In this instance, you could have the cache rebuilt once an hour. Then, your database will get hit 24 times per day and at most you will have to wait 60 minutes for your menu to update after a change to the database. Or, you could have your cache never expire, and on the admin page to edit the menu, you could force an expiration with one Smarty statement. Certainly, we all have our preferences, but they ought to be based upon a solid understanding of the choices. And let's not forget that Smarty isn't even about performance -- it's about promoting separation of business logic and presentation, and allowing a non-programmer designer to edit templates while the programmer simulaneously creates the business logic. Speaking from experience with Smarty, it is at least 100x easier to correctly separate the two when using Smarty than when not (one has to put effort into mixing the two when using Smarty). It's not for every situation -- but I would venture to say that there are plenty of situations out there where using Smarty is a good idea, but the programmer simply doesn't want to deal with learning how to use it (which, by the way, takes about 5 hours at most, unless you're going to be writing your own plugins, etc). > I like Smarty, too, and use it in most of my large projects. And I > also use classes, so this shouldn't be taken as a slam against Smarty > or classes in general. But for simple survey or form handlers, I don't > think anything beats straight PHP. It is, after all, what PHP was > originally designed to do. What does form handling have to do with Smarty? Along those lines, though, Smarty + PEAR::HTML_QuickForm (or the like) is a knockout duo. -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From evoltlist at delime.com Mon Jan 31 14:36:28 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:36:28 -0400 Subject: [thelist] overflow: auto; In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050131163456.01eb7f28@mx.delime.com> Message from Dan McCullough (1/31/2005 03:34 PM) >having a small issue with implementing this. i cant implement this. :) > >I have some content on one side its a box thats 425x400, and inside >the box are images. these images should overflow below the bottom of >the box and a scroll bar should appear. however what happens is that >the box streches to fit the rows that should be going underneath. >HTML > > > it seems to work. Perhaps someone else can explain why. regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From evoltlist at delime.com Mon Jan 31 14:48:47 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:48:47 -0400 Subject: [thelist] overflow: auto; In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050131163937.02dc27a0@mx.delime.com> Message from Dan McCullough (1/31/2005 03:34 PM) >having a small issue with implementing this. i cant implement this. :) > >I have some content on one side its a box thats 425x400, and inside >the box are images. these images should overflow below the bottom of >the box and a scroll bar should appear. >
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>... >CSS >#styleSelect >{background-color:#fff;height:425px;width:400px;text-align:center;border:3px >solid #68BB30;padding:5px;float:middle;vertical-align:top;overflow:auto;} >.styleimage {padding:10px 5px 10px 5px; overflow: hidden;} Ok, I did a bit more investigating in the specs. I don't know if I'm on the right track with this but, according to the specs, Overflow applies to "block-level and replaced elements, table cells, inline blocks".[0] And also in the specs, "In terms of the visual formatting model, a table may behave like a block-level or inline-level element. Tables have content, padding, borders, and margins." [1] So I figured, maybe it's not displaying as a block-level element, so I added display:block; to the css selector and that fixed it in Opera and Firefox. IE still didn't work without the div though. [0] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html#x0 [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html#q5 regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From sbeam at onsetcorps.net Mon Jan 31 15:09:27 2005 From: sbeam at onsetcorps.net (sbeam) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:09:27 -0500 Subject: [thelist] PHP Templating recommendations In-Reply-To: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> References: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <200501311609.27301.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> On Monday 31 January 2005 01:58 pm, Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > However there are times when Smarty is a like > a sledgehammer for a thumbtack. ?Can anyone recommend a lightweight, > *fast*, yet fairly versatile templating class for PHP? ?(PHP 4.3.10). Have heard really good things about Flexy but have not yet had the pleasure. http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_Template_Flexy If you want *fast* you will want to stick with the template engines that generate PHP code and cache it. This is limited to Smarty, Flexy, Xipe (AFAIK). Block-replacement parsers like FastTemplate and Sigma seem simpler but tend to be slow and fragile and have a hard time doing loops and control structures (ie you cant do nested loops) Also, a better analogy is that Smarty for small projects is like using a SUV to go get the groceries. Might a bit more gas, and you don't need the 4 wheel drive, but so what? It doesn't hurt anything (pollution and global oil dependency being non-factors in this analogy-world) You could always just make a PHP-only "template" for smaller projects as some have suggested. But obviously you have seen the light so we don't need to start that argument ;) -- # S Beam - Web App Dev Servs # http://www.onsetcorps.net/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Jan 31 15:13:32 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:13:32 -0800 Subject: [thelist] PHP Templating recommendations In-Reply-To: <41FE900C.3080707@gmail.com> References: <41FE7FBB.1020005@neptunewebworks.com> <910e7a8305013111093c878e29@mail.gmail.com> <41FE900C.3080707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41FE9F7C.6060002@neptunewebworks.com> > John williams wrote: >> Nothing is more lightweight and fast than just using PHP's own >> print-and-echo statements. Adrian Simmons wrote: > Agreed. There's a nice article that advocates just that: > http://www.phppatterns.com/index.php/article/articleview/4/1/1/ Thanks for the feedback. Point taken! -- Maximillian Von Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From mark at testwiz.com Mon Jan 31 16:07:28 2005 From: mark at testwiz.com (Mark Marlow) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:07:28 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <41FE7309.3030008@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <3k70ii$m9sl5j@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> Thank you all for your suggestions. One common suggestion is to be sure that the MAC is running OS 10. What would be the limitation of running a G3 with Mac OS 8.6 with regards to client side web site testing? Does the OS version effect which version of Safari, FireFox and IE which can be run? Thank you! -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Maximillian Schwanekamp Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:04 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box Mark Marlow wrote: > What is the least expensive Mac and OS configuration I can use as a QA > machine for client side testing of Web applications. While I'm mighty tempted by that MacMini as well, if you're just lookin to do some browser testing you can pick up a G3 with OS X for about $200 on eBay. I got a blue-and-white G3 with OS X 10.2.3, and got a KVM switch (USB!!) for $25 or so incl shipping (cf NewEgg.com), works great. I'm also using it to play with PHP 5 and Apache 2. Amusingly, the G3 came from another web dev, who was thinning his herd of Macs to justify picking up a Windows machine for the same purpose of web app testing. I must say, that even on this G3, OS X is superb. A good mix of consumer slickness (e.g. iLife) and Unix power. If you can afford the few extra clams for a new Mini, you will likely be pleased with the purchase. -- Maximillian Von Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ox4dboy at comcast.net Mon Jan 31 16:25:16 2005 From: ox4dboy at comcast.net (Jono) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:25:16 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box In-Reply-To: <3k70ii$m9sl5j@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3k70ii$m9sl5j@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Yep. OS 8.6 Does not run Safari, or Firefox - both are built for OS X. I think there amy be a FF solution for OS 9.x, but I am not certain of that... the solution might be Mozilla? I can't remember what version of IE will run on 8.6? The biggest limitation is that NOBODY uses OS 8.6 anymore, so your testing would not be very real-world." It would be something like testing with IE $ and NS 4, you cold do it, but nobody would benefit much. Most Mac users are using OS 9.x or OS 10.2.x/10.3.x, and I think more are now on OS 10.x.x than os 9. On Jan 31, 2005, at 5:07 PM, Mark Marlow wrote: > Thank you all for your suggestions. One common suggestion is to be > sure > that the MAC is running OS 10. What would be the limitation of > running a > G3 with Mac OS 8.6 with regards to client side web site testing? > > Does the OS version effect which version of Safari, FireFox and IE > which can > be run? From RPringle at aurora-il.org Mon Jan 31 16:26:53 2005 From: RPringle at aurora-il.org (Pringle, Ron) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:26:53 -0600 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box Message-ID: Yes. Safari and, I believe, Firefox, will not run on OS 8 or 9. They both require 10 to my knowledge. Regards, Ron Ron Pringle Web Developer MIS, City of Aurora > Thank you all for your suggestions. One common suggestion is > to be sure > that the MAC is running OS 10. What would be the limitation > of running a > G3 with Mac OS 8.6 with regards to client side web site testing? > > Does the OS version effect which version of Safari, FireFox > and IE which can > be run? From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Mon Jan 31 16:27:47 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:27:47 +1100 Subject: [thelist] .asp pages not previewing on remote server Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF11E@kjserver1.kjhome.local> : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey : Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 6:04 AM : To: Bruce Gilbert; thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: [thelist] .asp pages not previewing on remote server : : Bruce Gilbert wrote: : > Hello, : > : > I have been trying to preview my .asp pages on my remote server via : > dreamweaver and I get a 404 'page cannot be found error' when doing : > this. I can preview .asp files fine on my local machine running IIS : > and when I rename files with a .htm they preview fine from the remote : > server. So that narrows it down to being an issue with the remote : > server and .asp extensions. : > I checked to make sure the files are indeed residing on the remote : > server and they are there. Is this indeed a server setting issue or : > might there be something else going on? I am not very accustomed to : > .asp development. : : is it a 2k3 server? if so, asp is off by defualt, and asp.net is on : instead. Just to be clear, neither ASP nor ASP.NET is enabled by default on an IIS6 box unless you're upgrading it from an IIS5 box (in which case both will be enabled by default, but the entire WWW Publishing Service will be stopped) Cheers Ken From cgeorge at basecorp.com Mon Jan 31 16:31:47 2005 From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:31:47 -0700 Subject: [thelist] What is least expensive Mac to use as Web client QA box Message-ID: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B17D969@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com> > Thank you all for your suggestions. One common suggestion is > to be sure that the MAC is running OS 10. What would be the > limitation of running a > G3 with Mac OS 8.6 with regards to client side web site testing? > > Does the OS version effect which version of Safari, FireFox > and IE which can be run? > > Thank you! Indeed it does - 8.6 is prolly the wintel equivalent of Windows For Workgroups 3.11. Other than IE 5.old (5.1.7 to be exact) and Netscape like 4.ancient, I think there's not much more you can run on 8.6. :-P Safari Requirements: http://www.apple.com/safari/download/ IE 5.2.3 Requirements: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/D OWNLOAD/IE/ie5_osx.xml&secid=30&ssid=10&flgnosysreq=True FireFox Requirements: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/system-requirements.html From email at timburgan.com Mon Jan 31 18:47:38 2005 From: email at timburgan.com (Tim Burgan) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:17:38 +1030 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? Message-ID: <41FED1AA.1000202@timburgan.com> Hello, I'd like to compile a list of features that make for a more user friendly online shopping experience, so that we can all benefit by incorporating them into our own e-commerce applications. - Contact information of the seller (email, postal, phone, fax, etc). - Secure server. Please add to the list. Tim From skquinn at speakeasy.net Mon Jan 31 19:20:10 2005 From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:20:10 -0600 Subject: [thelist] RE: blaster worm punishment In-Reply-To: <20050130042154.55006.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050130042154.55006.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1107220810.14745.5.camel@xevious> On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 20:21 -0800, Steven Streight wrote: > We've all heard how the "teenager" who unleashed the > Blaster worm, primarily against Microsoft, got only 18 > months jail time, court supervision for 3 years, and > has to pay up to $1 million damages. > > I say he deserves much much harsher punishment, mainly > because malicious code can potentially make a nation > vulnerable to terrorist or criminal attack, can > cripple an economy, can cause even death if a hospital > network crashes, etc. etc. I disagree here. If anything he was punished too harshly. (And no, I don't think he deserves a commendation.) Microsoft is the one getting away with it here, as their shoddy operating system design allowed this to happen to begin with. You don't hear about worms attacking other operating systems, do you? Microsoft's attitude is akin to Ford saying "auto theft isn't a problem, so we're not going to bother hardening the locks on our cars". Ford would never get away with it. > But internet crime, I feel, must be more harshly > punished. > > Whadyathink? This I agree to, if gross negligence in operating system design is an Internet crime as well. Especially when the company involved repeatedly engages in questionable if not outright illegal actions in an attempt to maintain as close to a monopoly as they can, at the expense of the end users. -- Shawn K. Quinn From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Feb 1 01:04:25 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:04:25 +1100 Subject: OT Operating System Design WAS RE: [thelist] RE: blaster worm punishment Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF120@kjserver1.kjhome.local> : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn : Subject: Re: [thelist] RE: blaster worm punishment : : I disagree here. If anything he was punished too harshly. (And no, I : don't think he deserves a commendation.) Microsoft is the one getting : away with it here, as their shoddy operating system design allowed this : to happen to begin with. You don't hear about worms attacking other : operating systems, do you? To Shawn: What exactly is "shoddy" about the design of the OS itself? To Richard: You wrote "It's a fact that Windows never has been developed with any kind of security in mind." I'm curious to know where you've found this fact, when the overwhelming evidence is (as far as NT is concerned) that security is and was definitely a major concern. To Mac: You wrote: "I blame Microsoft for most of this stuff - if they didn't release intrinsically insecure operating systems..." What's so intrinsically insecure about the NT operating system? Cheers Ken Please do not say "making everyone an administrator" makes the OS intrinsically insecure. It doesn't. There's no structural issue there in the OS components that make it vulnerable to compromise. From mwarden at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 01:20:51 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 02:20:51 -0500 Subject: OT Operating System Design WAS RE: [thelist] RE: blaster worm punishment In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF120@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF120@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: Everyone, I think that if you want to continue this thread, it should be taken to thechat -- or possibly a cage match. You can sign up for thechat here: http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat You guys still all owe tips. Oh, and to current thechat members: sorry. Google supports adding rel="nofollow" to anchors, and others (Yahoo!, MSN, etc.) said they were going to support it at some point as well. It might be something to consider if you have a blog and dislike comment spam. Of course, there is something wrong with telling a search engine spider not to spider links in comments on your blog, as it will obviously mean that legitimate links are not followed either. Still, it might be something you consider doing. On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:04:25 +1100, Ken Schaefer wrote: > To Shawn: > What exactly is "shoddy" about the design of the OS itself? > > To Richard: > You wrote "It's a fact that Windows never has been developed with any kind of > security in mind." I'm curious to know where you've found this fact, when the > overwhelming evidence is (as far as NT is concerned) that security is and was > definitely a major concern. > > To Mac: > You wrote: "I blame Microsoft for most of this stuff - if they didn't release > intrinsically insecure operating systems..." > What's so intrinsically insecure about the NT operating system? -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From kalos at carolina.rr.com Tue Feb 1 01:27:42 2005 From: kalos at carolina.rr.com (Benjamin Tilley) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 02:27:42 -0500 Subject: OT Operating System Design WAS RE: [thelist] RE: blaster worm punishment In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF120@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF120@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <41FF2F6E.1070907@carolina.rr.com> I'm adding this sender to my kill-list until such time a coherent and somewhat relevant string of thoughts can be formulated. Should the sender find pittance and generate tips enough to become atoned the blacklist status will be removed. (An overly articulate way of saying, "This is re-freaking-diculous. Start a blog but keep it off the list.) Apache: http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi Perl: http://activestate.com/Products/ActivePerl/ mod_perl: http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/os/win32/install.html OpenSSL: http://www.slproweb.com/products/Win32OpenSSL.html mod_ssl: http://www.erm.tu-cottbus.de/mod_ssl.html PHP: http://www.php.net/downloads.php # note: I have had no issues with Apache 2 and PHP 5 not working like a champ. From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 01:38:21 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:38:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: [OT] {TIP} blaster worm punishment Message-ID: <20050201073821.17175.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com> I didn't mean to start a war for or against Microsoft. Please, since I started this thread, if you comment, I wish you'd stick to this: Are writers of malicious, detrimental code, or anyone who deliberately damages, or destroys the personal computers, or corporate networks, of innocent people, to be punished more harshly than 18 months in jail and a fine? I would not go up to your computer and smash it with a sledgehammer, then say, those damn monitor makers, using cheap glass again, why won't they use bullet-proof plexi? I personally am repulsed and deeply disturbed by the argument, "such and such software company shouldn't make OS with lots of security holes". You're right. We know it was likely an attempt to give consumers lots of privileges and ignoring security risks, so as to be popular and sell sell sell. I dunno. But that's not the real issue. Again: women maybe are not smart to dress sexually provocative, but that doesn't mean that rapists are to be treated with "understanding their mental illness and loneliness" and thus punished lightly. >From a news report on PC WORLD: "Judge Pechman could have sentenced Parson to as long as 37 months in prison but chose the lighter sentence based on Parson's age, history of mental illness, and lack of parental supervision, according to the statement distributed by prosecutors. The judge restricted him from using computers for anything but educational or business purposes, specifically forbidding video games and chat rooms." This is bleeding heart BS to me. Poor lonely worm writer, indeed. I hate this twerp. How many PCs did he damage or destroy? A list of links to other sites, called blogrolls in blog sites, and just usually just links in web sites, is a way to convey credibility to users. Users may judge a web or blog site by what other sites you endorse in your list of sites. Choose them carefully. Be sure to list reputable sites with relevant content, to make your own site look more credible and to make your site more valuable as a resource for users. ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 01:54:39 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:54:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: contacting Evolt admins Message-ID: <20050201075439.74548.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> I'm sorry, but I've been up working for nearly 24 hours straight through, ran a seminar today by myself, lots going on... ...and even though I went to the Evolt web site and examined the List email message trails provided on Yahoo email x-ray whatever... ...I can't find out how to contact the Evolt administrators. I keep getting The [evolt] List members telling me or others to STOP posting on the topic thread I started on "blaster worm punishment". If I get a RE: ADMIN Evolt or similar From line in my email, then I'll know that I *must* obey the suggestion to stop posting on a thread, too much flaming going on or whatever. Please bear with me. How do I contact the Evolt Admins? Why would an Evolt member command another member to "stop posting on this, go start a blog, etc."??? Heck, just don't open any email on a thread you don't like others to debate vigorously but politely. Two banana at best. ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Tue Feb 1 02:49:25 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:49:25 -0000 Subject: [thelist] RE: contacting Evolt admins In-Reply-To: <20050201075439.74548.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050201084920.8A99BE0002F5@galaxy.systems.pipex.net> Hi Steven, everyone, > Why would an Evolt member command another member to "stop > posting on this, go start a blog, etc."??? > > Heck, just don't open any email on a thread you don't like > others to debate vigorously but politely. The reason I like the evolt list is because it's concise, helpful and actually focused on real questions about real development issues. I like the fact that it's not full of ranting arguments, like so many other lists I subscribe to or have done in the past. There was a time when I loved ranting at great length on mailing lists. (Just ask anyone who was on Brighton New Media a few years ago.) These days I've realized that I see the world a certain way, other people see it in their own ways, and there's no point in our endlessly arguing about it. We all have work to do, and if we can help each other to get it done then that's great. And that's why I like evolt so much. Most of the time it's a list for grown-ups. Please, people, take a moment to breathe and relax and think about whether this conversation is contributing to evolt, and to the working lives of the people who subscribe to it. And if you really want to carry on with it then please consider doing it somewhere else. Oh, and I hope we'll see a flood of tips over the next few days. Good ones, not just made-up flimsy ones to make you feel less guilty. (I posted a free tip yesterday and I'm cashing it in now! :-) ) Jason From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Tue Feb 1 05:58:10 2005 From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:58:10 +0000 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <41FED1AA.1000202@timburgan.com> References: <41FED1AA.1000202@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <41FF6ED2.9000008@deltatraffic.co.uk> search facilty from the product list..... pictures of the staff, ceo's and the products, warehouses. dont think thats relevant? check here: http://www.dawsonbooks.co.uk/about/v_tour.html they seem to think it is. Alex > I'd like to compile a list of features that make for a more user > friendly online shopping experience, so that we can all benefit by > incorporating them into our own e-commerce applications. > > - Contact information of the seller (email, postal, phone, fax, etc). > - Secure server. -- Alex Beston Business Director deltaTraffic Tel: 01273 691234 Room 32, Level 6, New England House, Brighton, England www.deltatraffic.co.uk -- From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Feb 1 06:19:55 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:19:55 +1100 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF125@kjserver1.kjhome.local> There's always a risk when you start putting this sort of information online - people attempting social engineering attacks may make use of this information. For anything beyond a small organisation where everyone knows everyone, I would be extremely wary about putting this type of information up on the web in anything more than a very cursory form. Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : Behalf Of Alex Beston : Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 10:58 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? : : pictures of the staff, ceo's and the products, warehouses. : : dont think thats relevant? : : check here: : : http://www.dawsonbooks.co.uk/about/v_tour.html : : they seem to think it is. : : Alex : : > I'd like to compile a list of features that make for a more user : > friendly online shopping experience, so that we can all benefit by : > incorporating them into our own e-commerce applications. : > : > - Contact information of the seller (email, postal, phone, fax, etc). : > - Secure server. From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Tue Feb 1 07:04:41 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:04:41 -0600 Subject: [thelist] RE: [OT] {TIP} blaster worm punishment Message-ID: [snip] How many PCs did he damage or destroy? [/snip] None. No hardware was physically damaged AFAIK by the release of the worm. No lives were lost as a direct result. The systems that were invaded suffered software problems, but were all capable of being restored. No doubt that it costs time and money. See my previous posts about automobile recalls. Please take this to another list, like thechat, where it is more appropriate. Gosh! (channeling Napoleon Dynamite) There are tons of mailing lists available on the net, each with a specific purpose. Even with that being the case there are some basic rules posters should follow.... 1. Make sure your post is appropriate for the list in question. JavaScript questions to a PHP list will most certainly get you flamed. 2. Because it's bad. Why? Don't top post. 3. When responding to a post snip the relevant parts for your response, it will read much more cleanly. 4. Ask smart questions http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 5. STFW, RTFM and STFA before posting. People that are on lists like to know that you tried to help yourself before you posted. Remember, the folks on lists like this who help you get paid just as much as you do to be here. From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Tue Feb 1 07:05:23 2005 From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:05:23 +0000 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF125@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF125@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <41FF7E93.7060409@deltatraffic.co.uk> Ken Schaefer wrote: >There's always a risk when you start putting this sort of information online >- people attempting social engineering attacks may make use of this >information. > Care to eleborate? -- Alex Beston Business Director deltaTraffic Tel: 01273 691234 Room 32, Level 6, New England House, Brighton, England www.deltatraffic.co.uk -- From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 07:31:10 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:31:10 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <41FF7E93.7060409@deltatraffic.co.uk> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF125@kjserver1.kjhome.local> <41FF7E93.7060409@deltatraffic.co.uk> Message-ID: A site that works each and every time, correct pricing, correct shipping calculations, quick, intuitive. :) At least thats the complaints I get all the time. On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:05:23 +0000, Alex Beston wrote: > Ken Schaefer wrote: > > >There's always a risk when you start putting this sort of information online > >- people attempting social engineering attacks may make use of this > >information. > > > Care to eleborate? > > -- > Alex Beston > Business Director > deltaTraffic > Tel: 01273 691234 > Room 32, Level 6, > New England House, > Brighton, England > www.deltatraffic.co.uk > -- > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From richard.bennett at skynet.be Tue Feb 1 07:48:15 2005 From: richard.bennett at skynet.be (Richard Bennett) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:48:15 +0100 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <41FED1AA.1000202@timburgan.com> References: <41FED1AA.1000202@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <200502011448.15680.richard.bennett@skynet.be> On Tuesday 01 February 2005 01:47, Tim Burgan wrote: > Please add to the list. Give the option to order by email or telephone. As a repeat customer of my registrar I simply send them a mail "Hi, please register xxx.xxx and point it to these nameservers xxx, thanks." far easier than ploughing through a multi-page form. Also, remember that (especially outside US) not everybody has a credit card, and of those that have, many are reluctant to use it online, so they'll research their purchase on your site, and then go out and buy it in the store. Offer POD (payment on delivery) where possible, as well as check, international money order and bank transfer. Don't go overboard validating the input data, there's nothing more iritating than a form that refuses to submit because the office-fax box is left empty. Allow freeform address-writing, just one multi-line box for the address. It's a lot faster than scrolling through long dropdown boxes, especially if they don't contain the values you need. Richard. From don at aspalliance.com Tue Feb 1 07:57:43 2005 From: don at aspalliance.com (Don Makoviney) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:57:43 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Podcasting In-Reply-To: <200502011448.15680.richard.bennett@skynet.be> Message-ID: I have a couple niche market that could sites that may be interested in Podcasting. Has anyone on the list seen any good business case type articles on Podcasting? Thanks, Don Makoviney From RRust at COVANSYS.com Tue Feb 1 08:00:02 2005 From: RRust at COVANSYS.com (RUST Randal) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:02 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help Message-ID: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DC6D@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> I don't know JSP, but can't this block... buf.append("
") buf.append("") buf.append("") buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append("") buf.append("") ...be written as... buf.append("
Check NumberPayment DateCheck AmountPayment TypeStatusIn LetterCheck Details
") TIA. ---------- Randal Rust Covansys Corporation Columbus, OH Confidentiality Statement: This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain privileged, confidential information which is exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that you are strictly prohibited from disseminating or distributing this information (other than to the intended recipient) or copying this information. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email. From juha.suni at ilmiantajat.fi Tue Feb 1 07:59:27 2005 From: juha.suni at ilmiantajat.fi (Juha Suni) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:59:27 +0200 Subject: [thelist] RE: [OT] blaster worm punishment References: <20050131161411.35813.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <043601c50866$3ea0f730$3300a8c0@tavutykki> Steven Streight wrote: > For those who don't like any mention of "terrorists", > thinking it merely a Republican buzzword: The juiciest > target for terrorists is the internet and networked > systems of anybody who doesn't agree with them. Quoting Bruce Schneier (www.schneier.com), Founder and CTO of Counterpane Internet Security Inc, author of the popular Crypto-Gram Newsletter: "We know what terrorism is. It's someone blowing himself up in a crowded restaurant, or flying an airplane into a skyscraper. It's not infecting computers with viruses, forcing air traffic controllers to route planes manually, or shutting down a pager network for a day. That causes annoyance and irritation, not terror. This is a difficult message for some, because these days anyone who causes widespread damage is being given the label "terrorist."" This is a bit out of context, so I suggest you read his full article at http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0306.html To show a graphical progress bar showing the progress while a time-consuming script (mass-emailer of a newsletter, for example) is running, you can use the flush()-function to push more data to the browser while the script is running. This data being elements for small pieces of the progress bar, you can rather easily have a universal solution for all heavy scripts: (Please note: on some occasions, the webserver, proxy or the client browser can buffer data no matter what you do, so this will not work 100% for everyone at every situation) ob_end_flush(); // This should be called at start // Load all data and process it ready for looping // Do some preliminary calculations, such as: $totalloops = 38; $percent_per_loop = 100 / $totalloops; $prev_percent = 0; // print html/css for the part above the progress bar // as well as possible background of the actual progress bar // in such a way that the images for the progress bar (coming next) // align themselves nicely // (This example fits 100 images next to each other, each representing // 1 percent of progress. // Start looping: for($i=1;$i<=$totalloops;$i++) { // do stuff // echo progress if at least an advance of 1 percent occured since last loop $percent_now = round($i * $percent_per_loop); if($percent_now != $percent_last) { $difference = $percent_now - $percent_last; for($j=1;$j<=$difference;$j++) { echo ''; } $percent_last = $percent_now; flush(); // Push the new data to the browser; } } // In the end print necessary code to the end of the html. From rob.smith at THERMON.com Tue Feb 1 08:04:28 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:04:28 -0600 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D0C5@smtmb.tmc.local> >I'd like to compile a list of features that make for a more user >friendly online shopping experience, so that we can all benefit by >incorporating them into our own e-commerce applications. We recently discussed this in one of my Masters classes. We came up with: * Not having to register yourself before you select your items * Having a shopping cart that actually remembers your selections given the first bullet in mind. * Not having a complicated form * When you're browsing categories of items, when you click Add, you place one (1) item into your cart. However, if you're on the item detail page you can add X number of items to your cart. * If you show quantities available, decrement that number as people are putting things in their cart. However, if the customer does not proceed to checkout, the system releases the item and restores the quantity in a short period of time; usually 10-20 minutes. * Provide the ability to accept and remember credit card information based upon the user. ... pretty much what Amazon.com does. Actually, I'm in the process of building a shopping cart system at home and I'm incorporating these features and others as they come up. Rob From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Tue Feb 1 08:09:20 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:09:20 -0600 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help Message-ID: [snip] I don't know JSP, but can't this block... buf.append("") buf.append("
Check Number Payment Date Check Amount Payment Type Status In Letter Check Details
") buf.append("") buf.append("") buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append("") buf.append("") ...be written as... buf.append("
Check NumberPayment DateCheck AmountPayment TypeStatusIn LetterCheck Details
") [/snip] Have you tried it? From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Tue Feb 1 08:13:44 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:44 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Podcasting Message-ID: [snip] I have a couple niche market that could sites that may be interested in Podcasting. Has anyone on the list seen any good business case type articles on Podcasting? [/snip] Google podcasting business returns several articles, this looks informative.... http://www.business2.com/b2/web/articles/0,17863,781801,00.html From RRust at COVANSYS.com Tue Feb 1 08:48:50 2005 From: RRust at COVANSYS.com (RUST Randal) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:48:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help Message-ID: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DCA9@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> Jay Blanchard wrote: > Have you tried it? Good question. But I actually can't. The team is just sending me the pages to modify, and this particular one uses JSP to create the table. I make the mods and send them back for release into the environment. ---------- Randal Rust Covansys Corporation Columbus, OH Confidentiality Statement: This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain privileged, confidential information which is exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that you are strictly prohibited from disseminating or distributing this information (other than to the intended recipient) or copying this information. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email. From fuzzylizard at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 08:49:19 2005 From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:49:19 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help In-Reply-To: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DC6D@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> References: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DC6D@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:02 -0500, RUST Randal wrote: > I don't know JSP, but can't this block... > > buf.append("") > buf.append("
Check Number Payment Date Check Amount Payment Type Status In Letter Check Details
") > buf.append("") > buf.append("") > buf.append(""); > buf.append(""); > buf.append(""); > buf.append(""); > buf.append(""); > buf.append(""); > buf.append(""); > buf.append("") > buf.append("") > > ...be written as... > > buf.append(" > >
Check NumberPayment DateCheck AmountPayment TypeStatusIn LetterCheck Details
> > > > > > > > > > > > ") > Yes, although I am not sure how the added white space may translate to the final html page. -- chris johnston www.fuzzylizard.com "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we learned to talk." Pink Floyd From byates at emich.edu Tue Feb 1 08:49:45 2005 From: byates at emich.edu (Ben Yates) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:49:45 -0500 Subject: [thelist] wordpress and smtp In-Reply-To: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DC6D@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> References: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DC6D@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> Message-ID: <41FF9709.2000406@emich.edu> Wordpress (blogging utility) has a plugin that puts an "email this post" link next to each post. It requires an SMTP server, though, and the host doesn't provide one (neither does my ISP). Are services like smtp.com any good? They're 10 bucks a month -- more than half as much as the hosting plan itself -- and that's for 50 relays a day (conciavably we could get slashdotted or boingboinged or something, and go over the limit). Any other options? From dean.mah at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 09:07:22 2005 From: dean.mah at gmail.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:07:22 -0700 Subject: [thelist] RE: contacting Evolt admins In-Reply-To: <20050201075439.74548.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050201075439.74548.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:54:39 -0800 (PST), Steven Streight wrote: > How do I contact the Evolt Admins? You can e-mail content at lists.evolt.org or use the contact form on the evolt.org site. The "official" list owner (dmah at shaw.ca) has also been known to respond directly to issues if brought to his attention. Also, please note that adding a tip to the end of your post does not excuse posting off-topic posts or continuing to post off-topic. Please use thechat list for all issues not directly related to Web development. Thanks, Dean From steve at plankdesign.com Tue Feb 1 09:17:28 2005 From: steve at plankdesign.com (Steve Bissonnette) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:17:28 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Multi-sheet Excel file from with PHP ? Message-ID: Anyone know if it?s possible to create a multi-sheet Excel file from with PHP ? (This is PHP on a barebones Unix server ? so using COM object?s isn?t possible) Looked into, http://www.web-aware.com/biff/ But it doesn?t do multiple sheets yet. I also found .. http://paggard.com/projects/xls.generator/ But it costs 100$ US Would prefer not to pay for a solution but will If I have too ! Thanks for any leads .. Steve -- steve bissonnette steve at plankdesign.com PLANK. A multi-faceted-media company. http://www.plankdesign.com v. 514.875.0003 f. 514.875.7611 From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Tue Feb 1 09:28:22 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:28:22 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Multi-sheet Excel file from with PHP ? Message-ID: [snip] Anyone know if it?s possible to create a multi-sheet Excel file from with PHP ? (This is PHP on a barebones Unix server ? so using COM object?s isn?t possible) Looked into, http://www.web-aware.com/biff/ But it doesn?t do multiple sheets yet. I also found .. http://paggard.com/projects/xls.generator/ But it costs 100$ US Would prefer not to pay for a solution but will If I have too ! Thanks for any leads .. [/snip] docs http://search.cpan.org/src/JMCNAMARA/Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-0.37/WriteExcel/doc/WriteExcel.html more info http://www.php-editors.com/pear_manual/p_package.fileformats.spreadsheet-excel-writer.intro.html From Brian at hondaswap.com Tue Feb 1 09:34:50 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:34:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Multi-sheet Excel file from with PHP ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41FFA19A.3060105@hondaswap.com> http://www.sitepoint.com/article/php-apps-excel-worksheet-server http://www.google.com/custom?domains=www.phpclasses.org&q=excel&sa=Search&sitesearch=www.phpclasses.org&client=pub-2951707118576741&forid=1&channel=5742870948&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23663399%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23222222%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AA3C5CC%3BLBGC%3AA3C5CC%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A256%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ffiles.phpclasses.org%2Fgraphics%2Fgooglesearch.jpg%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.phpclasses.org%2Fsearch.html%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en you may have to register (free) for the 2nd link. Steve Bissonnette wrote: > Anyone know if it?s possible to create a multi-sheet Excel file from with > PHP ? > (This is PHP on a barebones Unix server ? so using COM object?s isn?t > possible) From ox4dboy at comcast.net Tue Feb 1 09:38:28 2005 From: ox4dboy at comcast.net (Jono) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:38:28 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Video playback. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51912C22-7467-11D9-9158-000A95A59E8A@comcast.net> Simply create a new html page, with your HUGE movie in it, and then save it. Now link that page with the links in your nav frame. That is the bare bones explanation. I do not use frames...EVER, so I am not sure about the exact frame coding, but I know it is pretty simple. Essentially each frame is its own html page. As fro gettig the vide to play, it depends on the file type. Copy and Paste: javascript:term=prompt('Search%20thelist%20Archives:');if(term! =null){location='http://www.google.com/search? as_q='+term+'&as_sitesearch=archivist.incutio.com&safe=on&submit=Go';} into your browser, and do a search. On Jan 31, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Barry Dowling wrote: > Hi, > I'm after a little guidance. I'm putting together a DVD presentation > using Dreamweaver. I have a page that has two frames. One menu frame > and the > other a content frame. When a link in the menu frame is clicked, I > want the > video file to playback automatically the full size of the content > frame. The > content frame size is 750px x 690px. What is the best way to accomplish > this? From hassan at webtuitive.com Tue Feb 1 09:45:43 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:45:43 -0800 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help In-Reply-To: References: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DC6D@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> Message-ID: <41FFA427.5040508@webtuitive.com> Chris Johnston wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:02 -0500, RUST Randal wrote: > >>I don't know JSP, but can't this block... > Yes, although I am not sure how the added white space may translate to > the final html page. Maybe this is compiler-specific, but I didn't think that would work, and sure enough, it doesn't for me (Tomcat 5.5.4). Exception: An error occurred at line: 19 in the jsp file: /buf.jsp Generated servlet error: String literal is not properly closed by a double-quote But who cares? Anyone putting markup into Java code like that, or for that matter putting a construct like that into JSP... Words fail :-) -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From ftarzwell at fayec.com Tue Feb 1 09:56:40 2005 From: ftarzwell at fayec.com (Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:56:40 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Researching other markets Message-ID: <41FFA6B8.4020201@fayec.com> I have been asked to create and maintain a full site with CMS features and all but the catch is that it is for a company in another country.... They want an estimate for the site and the maintenance and I don't want to scare them off if the reasonable market price here (US/Canada) is way more than what they are used to paying there..... Of course that if the fair market price there is way superior I can just stick to my price here and be competitive there (although I am sure the local developers won't like that low priced competition).... What is the procedure to get the market price for a different country without breaking any of the laws regarding the non-discussion of pricing, etc.... And for those who have been in this situation....what did you do?? Thanks again in advance, FayeC From RRust at COVANSYS.com Tue Feb 1 10:15:52 2005 From: RRust at COVANSYS.com (RUST Randal) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:15:52 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help Message-ID: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DD18@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> Hassan Schroeder wrote: > But who cares? Anyone putting markup into Java code like > that, or for that matter putting a construct like that into JSP... Just for my own edification, how should it be done then? ---------- Randal Rust Covansys Corporation Columbus, OH Confidentiality Statement: This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain privileged, confidential information which is exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that you are strictly prohibited from disseminating or distributing this information (other than to the intended recipient) or copying this information. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email. From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 10:50:13 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:50:13 -0500 Subject: [thelist] apache rewrite? I guess Message-ID: I need to make sure on the URLs that in certain directories that / is replaced by /index.jsp. thoughts? From ashiel at sportsinteraction.com Tue Feb 1 10:59:55 2005 From: ashiel at sportsinteraction.com (Drew Shiel) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:59:55 +0000 Subject: [thelist] RE: common key to good sites In-Reply-To: <1106991587.41fb59e3a9ab4@webmail.soton.ac.uk> References: <20050129085755.64525.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com> <20050129085755.64525.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050201165825.03412ec0@mail.sportsinteraction.com> At 09:39 29/01/2005, D.B.Smith at soton.ac.uk wrote: >It's usually pretty easy to recognise a site that has been put together >without any thought, and I think you'll find that good web sites have >forethought in spades. People don't plan to fail, they just fail to plan. It does depend on what you mean by forethought. Slashdot and Livejournal are both hugely successful, and had very little in the way of planning, intention of success - no matter how you measure it, or intention to make money. Drew. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 From hassan at webtuitive.com Tue Feb 1 11:04:26 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:04:26 -0800 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help In-Reply-To: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DD18@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> References: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DD18@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> Message-ID: <41FFB69A.4010609@webtuitive.com> RUST Randal wrote: > Just for my own edification, how should it be done then? Separation of data, presentation and logic (the MVC pattern) would say just put that in *as HTML*. Your example had *no* variable data within it at all, which makes it even worse :-) Why have, for instance, this: <% StringBuffer buf = new StringBuffer(); buf.append("
Check NumberPayment DateCheck AmountPayment TypeStatusIn LetterCheck Details
"); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append("
Check NumberPayment DateCheck AmountPayment TypeStatusIn LetterCheck Details
"); out.println(buf.toString()); %> to simply create .... when you can do it directly? (and use the validation, syntax highlighting, etc. of your preferred tool set, as well) The whole *point* of JSP is to remove the need for things like that first example... -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From Brian at hondaswap.com Tue Feb 1 11:18:11 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:18:11 -0500 Subject: [thelist] RE: common key to good sites In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050201165825.03412ec0@mail.sportsinteraction.com> References: <20050129085755.64525.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com> <20050129085755.64525.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050201165825.03412ec0@mail.sportsinteraction.com> Message-ID: <41FFB9D3.7070906@hondaswap.com> Drew Shiel wrote: > It does depend on what you mean by forethought. Slashdot and > Livejournal are both hugely successful, and had very little in the way > of planning, intention of success - no matter how you measure it, or > intention to make money. The same goes for my site too. I started as a network54 forum. i now have a dedicated server, 35,000 members, and gobs of traffic. I never 'planned' on it taking off. And i think that is key- To develop along with the growth, and to develop FOR the growth. From court3nay at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 11:22:39 2005 From: court3nay at gmail.com (Courtenay) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:22:39 +1100 Subject: [thelist] apache rewrite? I guess In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b430c8f05020109227a7681aa@mail.gmail.com> I think you're probably looking for DirectoryIndex http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_dir.html "Several URLs may be given, in which case the server will return the first one that it finds." So you'd put DirectoryIndex index.jsp index.htm index.html .. or whatever and if index.jsp exists, it will be returned rather than the html (or php, etc) > I need to make sure on the URLs that in certain directories that / is > replaced by /index.jsp. > > thoughts? > -- From RRust at COVANSYS.com Tue Feb 1 11:26:12 2005 From: RRust at COVANSYS.com (RUST Randal) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:26:12 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help Message-ID: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DD89@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> Hassan Schroeder wrote: > Separation of data, presentation and logic (the MVC pattern) > would say just put that in *as HTML*. Your example had *no* > variable data within it at all, which makes it even worse :-) > The whole *point* of JSP is to remove the need for things > like that first example... Thanks, Hassan. I would have done this as you suggested. In fact, I do it all the time in PHP. I'm not sure what the thinking was behind this particular JSP page. ---------- Randal Rust Covansys Corporation Columbus, OH Confidentiality Statement: This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain privileged, confidential information which is exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that you are strictly prohibited from disseminating or distributing this information (other than to the intended recipient) or copying this information. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email. From thelist at summit7solutions.com Tue Feb 1 11:28:17 2005 From: thelist at summit7solutions.com (Jeff Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:28:17 -0500 Subject: [thelist] VOIP / Project Question (UPDATE) Message-ID: Just wanted to let you all know that this project is complete, and ready to deploy to Kosovo! A few pictures here: http://www.jeffwilhelm.com/?p=pictures&loadyear=2005&page=1 Thanks again for the help! Jeff ----Original Message---- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Wilhelm Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:23 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] VOIP / Project Question (UPDATE) > Thank you all again for your help. I think I've got it > now! > > I've spent a lot of time researching the various pieces > of this project, hoping to find some way to accomplish > all of the goals. I've looked into 30 different VoIP > packages, hundreds of telephones, and at least 100 > different software packges. I've had about 12 different > ideas, many of which meet all but one of the > requirements. A few hours ago I decided that it was > impossible to do this cheaply using off the shelf > software (auto-dial from imported CSV), and VoIP. So I > wrote my own software. > > I don't think attachments are allowed, but basically it > was done in Access using VBA. It shows the fields on the > left, and a large Phone icon on the right. Hitting the > large Phone icon will cause the phone to automatically > dial whatever number is displayed out the modem. There > will be a regular old $10 analog phone next to each > laptop, which can be used just as a normal phone would > be, except that the program does all the dialing. The > arrows at the bottom allow the caller to increment > forward and backward through the records. The program can > also import any CSV file to be used as a source for this > information. > > The only thing we don't know is the speed of the > broadband that is available in Kosovo. We need to > estimate that each phone will require about 100kb/s of > upstream and downstream traffic. If there are four phones > being used, there should be at least 400kb/s upstream and > downstream. Two connections may be required if the > broadband is too slow. > > The basic network infastructure will be like this: > > > ISP | -> | Cable Modem | -> | Router with 4-Port Switch > > | > > And then for each phone / laptop combination we'd set it > up like this: > > -> | Vonage ATA WAN Port | > | Vonage ATA LAN Port | -> Laptop LAN Port > | Vonage ATA PHONE Port | -> Phone Jack Splitter -> > Laptop Modem Jack -> Any > Analog Phone > > This will enable the laptop and phone to be on the same > phone line, which is why the laptop can do the > auto-dialing, and the phone can be used as a normal > phone. All calls will be completed using VoIP through > Vonage. They have assured me this will work, even > overseas. > > Thanks again! > Jeff From mwarden at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 11:28:50 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:28:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] apache rewrite? I guess In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, you don't need mod_rewrite for this. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:50:13 -0500, Dan McCullough wrote: > I need to make sure on the URLs that in certain directories that / is > replaced by /index.jsp. -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Tue Feb 1 11:45:18 2005 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:45:18 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Database-less Forum SW Message-ID: <41FFC02E.4060300@craftedsolutions.com> Normally I stick with phpBB for forums and use mySQL, but I have a prospect that has basic hosting with no database available. What are my best alternatives for a forum that does not use a database? Traffic should be minimal. Thanks, Norman -- --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- From webguync at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 11:50:27 2005 From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:50:27 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Re: .asp pages not previewing on remote server Message-ID: <463b785d05020109503d01d46a@mail.gmail.com> thanks for the responses. Yes, the server we are using is windows 2003, so proper configuration is in order. -- ::Bruce:: From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 11:54:59 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:54:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: contact Evolt admins AND blaster worm punishment [SUMMARY] Message-ID: <20050201175459.54128.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> Okay. Jason Handby: yes, I agree that Evolt is best when directly discussing practical aspects of web dev and web design. I will stick to that, so as not to waste anyone's time with side issues. Very clear to me now. Sorry. Dean Mah: thank you very mucho grande for the contact info to Evolt Admins. What a relief to have this answer. IOU one. Web sites with lots of ads are prime candidates for implementing a "Print Version" functionality. This enables users to print out the information they need as hard copy, without all the irrelevant commercial material clutter. Good way to cause "stickiness" of site: motivates users to return to site due to its info AND its user-friendliness. ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lists at semioticpixels.com Tue Feb 1 12:03:20 2005 From: lists at semioticpixels.com (chris hardy) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:03:20 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Researching other markets In-Reply-To: <41FFA6B8.4020201@fayec.com> Message-ID: <000301c50888$51d00950$6601a8c0@bluedew> Faye, Fair market pricing *where you live* can be closely tied to business success. American/Canadian companies don't charge Indian/Chinese/Russian/* rates because our cost of doing business is higher and we can't survive in the US at Indian/Chinese/* rates. It's not because we're greedy. I would not try to compete on price. There is always someone who's cheaper who provides the same service (or at least claims to). That said, I would probably look for a website like Salary.com that lists positions in that country to get a ballpark figure and then I would determine whether I could afford to do business at a consultant's rate. hth -chris From pixelmech at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 12:19:22 2005 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:19:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] PHP shopping cart recommendations? Message-ID: <20050201181922.71913.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> Hey everyone, I'm tasked with building a cart for a client of mine, and we're using PHP. A custom site is being built, so something like OSCommerce doesn't really work. I know php ok, but I'm no expert. Can anyone recommend a good "plug in" cart that wouldn't be too much hair pulling to learn and add in to our site? Open source or not isn't an issue - although I need to be able to play with it first so it would at least need demo code. I don't have much in the way of requirements other than they need to take payments in both US and Israeli currency. Please respond off list as well if you can, and TIA. Tom ===== http://www.pixelmech.com/ It's got a cop motor: a 440 cubic inch plant. It's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is this the new Bluesmobile, or what? From mwarden at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 12:42:08 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:42:08 -0500 Subject: [thelist] apache rewrite? I guess In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan, On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:30:03 -0500, Dan McCullough wrote: > Yeah unfortunatly thats not what I need. I have DirectoryIndex setup > however when someone puts in http://domain.com/ instead of > http://domain.com/index.jsp it bombs because the creator of the > servlets didnt take the slash with no index.jsp into account. I was > looking for a quick way rather then pouring over his poorly written > code. Ah, I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding. How's something like this for a band-aid: RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/$ /index.jsp [L] Thjanks, -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From mr.sanders at designshift.com Tue Feb 1 12:50:57 2005 From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:50:57 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Form, Style and Internet Exploder In-Reply-To: <662327341.20050130155157@earthling.net> References: <662327341.20050130155157@earthling.net> Message-ID: <41FFCF91.7060003@designshift.com> > I'm writing an application which I want to style in a 2 column layout. > No news there. > > > > Additionally the style of the textbox is modified to be a block level element to > allow centering the element. And to keep it from fusing with its label I added > the clear: both. (Clear: left would do the job as well...) > > * The problem is that it will slide under the end of the left navigation this way. > > This raises a general question: if for some reason you need to apply 'clear' > anywhere in the content, can it be prevented that the whole page slides down to > under a navigation block? > > I was, coincidentally, going to send a very similar question when I saw this one come through. I was very surprised that no replies came, even just someone saying simply "can't be done". I'm guessing that having elements floated within the second column of a two-column layout could be pretty common, if it's possible. Does anyone know of a way to have a clearing element within the second column without the rest of the content in the second column falling below the first column? I can set up a demo of what I mean, if necessary. -- Sarah Sweeney :: Web Developer & Programmer Portfolio :: http://sarah.designshift.com Blog :: http://hardedge.ca From dan at danromanchik.com Tue Feb 1 13:11:53 2005 From: dan at danromanchik.com (Dan Romanchik) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:11:53 -0500 Subject: [thelist] PHP shopping cart recommendations? References: <20050201181922.71913.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <024a01c50891$e44367b0$6501a8c0@D9J77B01> I don't see why you can't still use OSCommerce or ZenCart. I'm adding an online catalog to an existing website right now. I plan on giving the cart it's own subdirectory and making it look just like the existing site. Should work just fine. Dan p.s. Up to this point, I would have wholeheartedly endorsed ZenCart for this kind of project. Unfortunately, I have something weird happening in an existing installation (my ISP moved my site to another server, and the credit card processing quit working) and the support forum has been no help at all. A couple people tried helping, but once it got beyond their capabilities, they just gave up and no one with any smarts about ZC internals has stepped up to help. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" To: "thelist" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: [thelist] PHP shopping cart recommendations? > Hey everyone, > > I'm tasked with building a cart for a client of mine, and we're using PHP. A custom site is being > built, so something like OSCommerce doesn't really work. I know php ok, but I'm no expert. Can > anyone recommend a good "plug in" cart that wouldn't be too much hair pulling to learn and add in > to our site? Open source or not isn't an issue - although I need to be able to play with it first > so it would at least need demo code. > > I don't have much in the way of requirements other than they need to take payments in both US and > Israeli currency. > > Please respond off list as well if you can, and TIA. > > Tom > > ===== > > http://www.pixelmech.com/ > > It's got a cop motor: a 440 cubic inch plant. It's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is this the new Bluesmobile, or what? > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From spambait at onpointsolutions.com Tue Feb 1 13:16:29 2005 From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:16:29 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Database-less Forum SW References: <41FFC02E.4060300@craftedsolutions.com> Message-ID: <006a01c50892$89130660$a7fea8c0@Laptop> > Normally I stick with phpBB for forums and use mySQL, but I have a > prospect that has basic hosting with no database available. What are my > best alternatives for a forum that does not use a database? Traffic > should be minimal. I've used dcforum, which has a version that requires only perl and runs on apache and iis. http://www.dcscripts.com/dcforum.shtml I use it here: http://www.ncan.org/CGI-BIN/dcforum/dcboard.cgi Has lots of nice admin features. ------------- Regards, Bob Haroche O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s www.OnPointSolutions.com From thelist at si-designs.co.uk Tue Feb 1 13:49:38 2005 From: thelist at si-designs.co.uk (Simon Perry) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:49:38 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Form, Style and Internet Exploder In-Reply-To: <41FFCF91.7060003@designshift.com> References: <662327341.20050130155157@earthling.net> <41FFCF91.7060003@designshift.com> Message-ID: <41FFDD52.3060103@si-designs.co.uk> Sarah Sweeney wrote: >> >> >> Additionally the style of the textbox is modified to be a block level >> element to >> allow centering the element. And to keep it from fusing with its >> label I added >> the clear: both. (Clear: left would do the job as well...) >> >> * The problem is that it will slide under the end of the left >> navigation this way. >> >> This raises a general question: if for some reason you need to apply >> 'clear' >> anywhere in the content, can it be prevented that the whole page >> slides down to >> under a navigation block? >> >> > > > I was, coincidentally, going to send a very similar question when I > saw this one come through. I was very surprised that no replies came, > even just someone saying simply "can't be done". I'm guessing that > having elements floated within the second column of a two-column > layout could be pretty common, if it's possible. Does anyone know of a > way to have a clearing element within the second column without the > rest of the content in the second column falling below the first column? > > I can set up a demo of what I mean, if necessary. > Hi, This sounds like issues with the IE box model and width rather than a problem with floats and clear: elements. A demo page with a minimal test case, concisely explained, with separate links to the CSS will prompt a good response. That is where the OP lost out. The text rambles and is hard to follow. The example link given has lots of layouts, which one are they on about? The link provided is not the one used in the screen shot provided? We get no clear idea of what the page should look like, does it render correctly in any browser? If not then a mock up graphic mock up would be useful. Often the process of stripping a problem down to its minimal constituents and explaining what you want to achieve in a clear concise manner unlocks the answer anyway. Simon KISS Or keep It Simple Stupid When posting your question to the list keep it as simple as possible. The problem may be fresh in your mind but it's unlikely to be so for others, even if they have faced the problem and fixed it in the past. If you have several problems break them down and post them separately don't confuse issues. Make sure that you explain yourself as clearly as you can in your best English. Choose the most relevant subject line you can come up with. From rob.smith at THERMON.com Tue Feb 1 14:14:28 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:14:28 -0600 Subject: [thelist] PHP - Numeric Session ID's Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D0CB@smtmb.tmc.local> When you do (in ASP) response.write session.sessionID, you might get 861722675, which is perfect for assigning integer temporary customer id int(4). However when you do echo session_id;, you might get a39423b3243c3342e324db3343f45a23, 32 alphanumeric characters. All of a sudden this doesn't work so well for the same data type. Your customer id at this point becomes varchar(32). So, temporarily I've done this: if ($_SESSION["cid"] == "") { $_SESSION["cid"] = rand()%999999999999999; } Sorry. I'm just used to working with customer is in the numeric form. Is there really anything wrong with using the alphanumeric version on steroids? Rob Smith From cheryla at labx.com Tue Feb 1 14:25:46 2005 From: cheryla at labx.com (Cheryl Ash) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:25:46 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Html question on coldfusion Message-ID: <858F9BD79E563F48ABA441785A8DE5C89BE8E9@main.geocalm.local> I know a little CF, Hope this helps. Cheryl Ash -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rui Madeira Sent: January 31, 2005 10:58 AM To: The List Subject: [thelist] Html question on coldfusion Hello to everyone rom Portugal This is my script. What I need is that when the return in #Descri??o# is "something" it wouldn?t be transformed into a link Can anybody help me? Thank you in advanced Rui Madeira --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis - Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador do Yahoo! agora. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Tue Feb 1 14:36:05 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:36:05 -0600 Subject: [thelist] PHP - Numeric Session ID's Message-ID: [snip] Sorry. I'm just used to working with customer is in the numeric form. Is there really anything wrong with using the alphanumeric version on steroids? [/snip] I think a more thorough reading of the PHP session docs will help you.... http://www.php.net/session From jonathan at boehm-ritter.com Tue Feb 1 15:09:03 2005 From: jonathan at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:09:03 -0800 Subject: [thelist] PHP shopping cart recommendations? In-Reply-To: <024a01c50891$e44367b0$6501a8c0@D9J77B01> Message-ID: <20050201211340.6E910508009@mx1.nexiderm.com> Dan - > p.s. Up to this point, I would have wholeheartedly endorsed ZenCart for this kind of project. Unfortunately, I have something weird happening in an existing installation Why don't you share what's up? I've done a lot of work with Zen Cart, as have a lot of people on the list... Jonathan From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 15:19:33 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:19:33 -0500 Subject: [thelist] PHP shopping cart recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20050201211340.6E910508009@mx1.nexiderm.com> References: <024a01c50891$e44367b0$6501a8c0@D9J77B01> <20050201211340.6E910508009@mx1.nexiderm.com> Message-ID: Ahh ya beat me to the punch :) I'm sure there are a couple of guys here who can point you were to look. On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:09:03 -0800, Jonathan Dillon wrote: > Dan - > > > p.s. Up to this point, I would have wholeheartedly endorsed ZenCart for > this kind of project. Unfortunately, I have something weird happening in an > existing installation > > Why don't you share what's up? I've done a lot of work with Zen Cart, as > have a lot of people on the list... > > Jonathan > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From chris at logorocks.com Tue Feb 1 15:20:04 2005 From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:20:04 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Submit a form and shut the window Message-ID: <0A739E27-7497-11D9-9B0A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com> Dear List, I have a form in a little window, and it's supposed to update in the main window. I guess I can do that using JavaScript: the form action is the main page with a TARGET of the main window. But that will leave the little window floating around. Is there any way I can get the little b**tard to commit suicide once its work is done? Thanks! CK. From lists at onlinetools.org Tue Feb 1 16:08:21 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:08:21 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Submit a form and shut the window In-Reply-To: <0A739E27-7497-11D9-9B0A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com> References: <0A739E27-7497-11D9-9B0A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com> Message-ID: <41FFFDD5.9090500@onlinetools.org> Chris Kavanagh wrote: > Dear List, > > I have a form in a little window, and it's supposed to update in the > main window. I guess I can do that using JavaScript: the form action > is the main page with a TARGET of the main window. > > But that will leave the little window floating around. Is there any > way I can get the little b**tard to commit suicide once its work is done? > > Thanks! > CK. >
should do the trick, shouldn't it? From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Tue Feb 1 15:35:13 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:35:13 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Submit a form and shut the window Message-ID: [snip] I have a form in a little window, and it's supposed to update in the main window. I guess I can do that using JavaScript: the form action is the main page with a TARGET of the main window. But that will leave the little window floating around. Is there any way I can get the little b**tard to commit suicide once its work is done? [/snip] You need to use a variation of this.... onCLick="javascript:window.close();" From vreeland at studioframework.com Tue Feb 1 15:36:04 2005 From: vreeland at studioframework.com (Robert Vreeland) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:36:04 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Submit a form and shut the window References: <0A739E27-7497-11D9-9B0A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com> Message-ID: <005901c508a6$08fa4560$6401a8c0@studioframework> When you are done with the little window use(in javascript): window.close(); Robert Vreeland Managing Partner StudioFramework ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kavanagh" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: [thelist] Submit a form and shut the window > Dear List, > > I have a form in a little window, and it's supposed to update in the > main window. I guess I can do that using JavaScript: the form action > is the main page with a TARGET of the main window. > > But that will leave the little window floating around. Is there any > way I can get the little b**tard to commit suicide once its work is > done? > > Thanks! > CK. > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From vreeland at studioframework.com Tue Feb 1 15:55:52 2005 From: vreeland at studioframework.com (Robert Vreeland) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:55:52 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Submit a form and shut the window References: <0A739E27-7497-11D9-9B0A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com> <41FFFDD5.9090500@onlinetools.org> Message-ID: <007501c508a8$d2580940$6401a8c0@studioframework> Not 100% sure, but I think that would close the window before the form submitted as you typically use onsubmit with a return: onsubmit="return somefunction();" Robert Vreeland Managing Partner StudioFramework ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Heilmann" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Submit a form and shut the window > Chris Kavanagh wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > I have a form in a little window, and it's supposed to update in the > > main window. I guess I can do that using JavaScript: the form action > > is the main page with a TARGET of the main window. > > > > But that will leave the little window floating around. Is there any > > way I can get the little b**tard to commit suicide once its work is done? > > > > Thanks! > > CK. > > > should > do the trick, shouldn't it? > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From lists at onlinetools.org Tue Feb 1 16:45:40 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:45:40 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Submit a form and shut the window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42000694.20902@onlinetools.org> Jay Blanchard wrote: >[snip] >I have a form in a little window, and it's supposed to update in the >main window. I guess I can do that using JavaScript: the form action >is the main page with a TARGET of the main window. > >But that will leave the little window floating around. Is there any >way I can get the little b**tard to commit suicide once its work is >done? >[/snip] > >You need to use a variation of this.... > > >onCLick="javascript:window.close();" > > > Sorry to be pedantic: I don't know who started with this, but the javascript: is completely redundant here, onclick (same as onmouseeover and all the others) already imply that there is a script to be called (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/scripts.html). "javascript:" as a protocol is an abomination and has to go. Also, camelcase is not valid for attributes in XHTML (http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs) . From lists at onlinetools.org Tue Feb 1 17:22:06 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:22:06 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Submit a form and shut the window In-Reply-To: <007501c508a8$d2580940$6401a8c0@studioframework> References: <0A739E27-7497-11D9-9B0A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com> <41FFFDD5.9090500@onlinetools.org> <007501c508a8$d2580940$6401a8c0@studioframework> Message-ID: <42000F1E.7060802@onlinetools.org> > > > > > >>> >>> >> should >>do the trick, shouldn't it? >> >> >> >Not 100% sure, but I think that would close the window before the form >submitted as you typically use onsubmit with a return: >onsubmit="return somefunction();" > > The parent window should have a name for starters, which is set as the target of the form. The return is only needed when you have an own function, not a native one like window. close You can roll an own function, and submit the form via javascript, and then close the window, that might be safer. From dan at danromanchik.com Tue Feb 1 17:06:11 2005 From: dan at danromanchik.com (Dan Romanchik) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:06:11 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ZenCart Problem, WAS PHP shopping cart recommendations? References: <024a01c50891$e44367b0$6501a8c0@D9J77B01> <20050201211340.6E910508009@mx1.nexiderm.com> Message-ID: <02b101c508b2$9f82d680$6501a8c0@D9J77B01> I actually did post a question here, but no one responded, so I thought perhaps no one was using ZC. I guess it just got missed. This is actually a pretty weird problem. I have ZC configured to split the credit card number and e-mail me half of the number and to store the other half in the database. This setup is correct. I've even gone into the database to ensure that all the parameters are setup correctly. What's happening, though, is that that the credit card numbers are not being recorded. Nothing is being written to the database, and in the e-mail I get notifying me of an order, I get the line telling me it's a credit card order, but no numbers. It's as if the number is not being processed at all. Everything else seems to be working just fine, however. ZC is accepting the credit card; it's just not processing the number correctly. I can't really blame ZC, per se. This just started happening after my ISP moved my website from one server to another. Not only that, it's happening with version 1.1.4, which I had installed previously and version 1.2.2, which I installed with the hopes that it would cure the problem. (As an aside, I think it's a really cool thing that I can run both versions simultaneously using the same database.) Any light you guys might be able to shed on this would be highly appreciated. Thanks! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan McCullough" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] PHP shopping cart recommendations? > Ahh ya beat me to the punch :) > I'm sure there are a couple of guys here who can point you were to look. > > > On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:09:03 -0800, Jonathan Dillon > wrote: > > Dan - > > > > > p.s. Up to this point, I would have wholeheartedly endorsed ZenCart for > > this kind of project. Unfortunately, I have something weird happening in an > > existing installation > > > > Why don't you share what's up? I've done a lot of work with Zen Cart, as > > have a lot of people on the list... > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Tue Feb 1 18:44:14 2005 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:44:14 -0600 Subject: [thelist] CFMX Nested Queries In-Reply-To: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DC6D@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> Message-ID: <005c01c508c0$523698e0$6401a8c0@autolycus> I'm attempting to pull some information from 2 tables in my database (where I'm storing my RSS feed information): tblRSS and tblFeed Both share "rssID". I've got code as follows: From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Tue Feb 1 18:50:08 2005 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:50:08 -0600 Subject: [thelist] CFMX Nested Queries In-Reply-To: <1A729C6059E7CD4CA1DFE3985E6004210894DC6D@fth-ex02.CVNS.corp.covansys.com> Message-ID: <005d01c508c1$250aeaf0$6401a8c0@autolycus> Grr, sorry... I'm attempting to pull some information from 2 tables in my database (where I'm storing my RSS feed information): tblRSS and tblFeed Both share "rssID". I've got code as follows: //Query the RSS table for the ID, Title, etc. SELECT * FROM tblRSS ORDER BY rssID ASC //Build the holding table for the data and display the rssTitle
Check Number
#Descricao# #Descricao# #Concelho#
#Descricao# #Concelho#
//Query Feed table for the link and title corresponding to the RSS SELECT * FROM tblFeed WHERE tblFeed.rssID=#qRSS.rssID# ORDER BY feedID DESC //close out the Feed query

#rssTitle#

#qFeed.feedTitle#


//close out the RSS query As you may or may not imagine, this isn't really working. Since I've got 8 rows, I get a 8 results of the same item in my first displayed table, 7 of the 2nd and so on... I'm sure that this is much simpler than I'm making it, but can anyone offer some insights? Thanks! Russ From evoltlist at delime.com Tue Feb 1 19:07:21 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:07:21 -0400 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <41FED1AA.1000202@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050201210526.01dbfef0@mx.delime.com> Message from Tim Burgan (1/31/2005 08:47 PM) >I'd like to compile a list of features that make for a more user friendly >online shopping experience, so that we can all benefit by incorporating >them into our own e-commerce applications. Tim, Are you asking from the POV of application development - what features should our e-commerce application have? Or creating a successful e-commerce site - what will make people buy from us? Cause the two questions will generate different types of responses. regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From dross202 at comcast.net Tue Feb 1 19:39:01 2005 From: dross202 at comcast.net (D Ross) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:39:01 -0500 Subject: [thelist] OT: Thinking about a swap eMac for MacMini.... Message-ID: <42002F35.10409@comcast.net> I was reading that thread the other day about the macmini and I started thinking...Maybe I could sell my emac and buy a mini. Just wanted to get some advice first. I'm a recent semi-unemployed college grad with little money. I would have to sell my emac first to get a mini. Pretty sad I know but anyways... I'm thinking I could sell it on ebay or put an ad for it in the newspaper or something. It's an older emac (about 2 years old), 750mhz / 40gb HD / 640 mb Ram / osx10.2.8 and classic (still runs great and I do preventive maintenance to it regularly)....Has a slight screen blur though. Just the emac I'd say I could sell it for maybe $400-$500. But, I have tons of software on here that could up the price a few hundered. Photoshop CS, Indesign CS, Illustrator 10, Dreamweaver mx04, flash mx04pro, freehand mx, fireworks mx04, old Quark. I'd also like to keep the mouse and keyboard or I guess I could buy new ones. So, not only would I be getting a faster computer it also has 10.3 on it which if I bought myself would be 129$ or so. How much should I sell this emac for? I'm not trying to rip anyone off but people do have money and with all this software I should be able to get a decent amount for it. At least enough to get a mini and a decent monitor. Thanks for any info, David From evoltlist at delime.com Tue Feb 1 19:04:51 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:04:51 -0400 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <41FF6ED2.9000008@deltatraffic.co.uk> References: <41FED1AA.1000202@timburgan.com> <41FED1AA.1000202@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050201210236.02d77f00@mx.delime.com> Message from Alex Beston (2/1/2005 07:58 AM) >search facilty from the product list..... > >pictures of the staff, ceo's and the products, warehouses. > >dont think thats relevant? > >check here: > >http://www.dawsonbooks.co.uk/about/v_tour.html > >they seem to think it is. I don't really understand the relevance of the link. Are Dawson Books some major book publisher/seller or something? Or is it just "here's one site out of the millions online that does these things so it must be a good idea"? FWIW I've never seen (on the actual site) photos of Amazon's CEO, Amazon's staff, Amazon's warehouses. Amazon doesn't even list a phone number for that matter but that's a different story. However nor have I never looked for staff or warehouse photos on any website where I went to order stuff. regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From evoltlist at delime.com Tue Feb 1 19:10:28 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:10:28 -0400 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D0C5@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050201210905.01f5ad38@mx.delime.com> Message from Rob Smith (2/1/2005 10:04 AM) > >I'd like to compile a list of features that make for a more user > >friendly online shopping experience, so that we can all benefit by > >incorporating them into our own e-commerce applications. > >We recently discussed this in one of my Masters classes. We came up with: > >* When you're browsing categories of items, when you click Add, you place >one (1) item into your cart. However, if you're on the item detail page you >can add X number of items to your cart. Even if you're buying a car or a personal jet? regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Tue Feb 1 19:46:13 2005 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:46:13 -0600 Subject: [thelist] CFMX Nested Queries In-Reply-To: <005d01c508c1$250aeaf0$6401a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <006801c508c8$fb150f70$6401a8c0@autolycus> Nothing like sending a post to a list to get the answer to smack you in the head... Surprise! ColdFusion does not allow for "direct" nesting of queries. In order to achieve nested queries, you can create your query: //Query the RSS table for the ID, Title, etc. SELECT * FROM tblRSS ORDER BY rssID ASC And then when you want to "nest a query" you need to put your nested query in an include file and call it that way. Such that: ****************************** INCLUDE FILE ****************************** SELECT * FROM tblFeed WHERE tblFeed.rssID=#qRSS.rssID# ORDER BY feedID ASC > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Russ > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:50 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] CFMX Nested Queries > > > Grr, sorry... > > I'm attempting to pull some information from 2 tables in my database > (where I'm storing my RSS feed information): From email at timburgan.com Tue Feb 1 19:46:36 2005 From: email at timburgan.com (Tim Burgan) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:16:36 +1030 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050201210526.01dbfef0@mx.delime.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20050201210526.01dbfef0@mx.delime.com> Message-ID: <420030FC.5080501@timburgan.com> I'm asking from the point of view of: what features should our e-commerce application have. Tim From evoltlist at delime.com Tue Feb 1 20:40:15 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:40:15 -0400 Subject: [thelist] rel="nofollow" Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050201223827.02d35ed8@mx.delime.com> In an email about that blaster worm/OS brouhaha Matt posted >Google supports adding rel="nofollow" to anchors, and others (Yahoo!, >MSN, etc.) said they were going to support it at some point as well. >It might be something to consider if you have a blog and dislike >comment spam. > >Of course, there is something wrong with telling a search engine >spider not to spider links in comments on your blog, as it will >obviously mean that legitimate links are not followed either. > >Still, it might be something you consider doing. Not knowing a whole lot about how comment spammers actually work, how would this help? Do the bots typically operate by finding your comments pages via a search engine? regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From mwarden at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 20:46:11 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:46:11 -0500 Subject: [thelist] rel="nofollow" In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050201223827.02d35ed8@mx.delime.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20050201223827.02d35ed8@mx.delime.com> Message-ID: Marc, On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:40:15 -0400, M. Seyon wrote: > In an email about that blaster worm/OS brouhaha Matt posted > >Google supports adding rel="nofollow" to anchors, and others (Yahoo!, > >MSN, etc.) said they were going to support it at some point as well. > >It might be something to consider if you have a blog and dislike > >comment spam. > > > >Of course, there is something wrong with telling a search engine > >spider not to spider links in comments on your blog, as it will > >obviously mean that legitimate links are not followed either. > > > >Still, it might be something you consider doing. > > Not knowing a whole lot about how comment spammers actually work, how would > this help? Do the bots typically operate by finding your comments pages via > a search engine? The whole reason for comment spam is that it bumps up google's pagerank and other such methods, which are based on sites linking to their site. Adding this attribute eliminates the benefit of adding comment spam to the site using the attribute on links in comments. -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From evoltlist at delime.com Tue Feb 1 20:51:49 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:51:49 -0400 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <420030FC.5080501@timburgan.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20050201210526.01dbfef0@mx.delime.com> <4.2.0.58.20050201210526.01dbfef0@mx.delime.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050201224952.00a9c6a8@mx.delime.com> Message from Tim Burgan (2/1/2005 09:46 PM) >I'm asking from the point of view of: > >what features should our e-commerce application have. You may want to consider having a look at these reports (not free): http://www.nngroup.com/reports/ecommerce/index.html regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From evoltlist at delime.com Tue Feb 1 21:07:21 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:07:21 -0400 Subject: [thelist] rel="nofollow" In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20050201223827.02d35ed8@mx.delime.com> <4.2.0.58.20050201223827.02d35ed8@mx.delime.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050201230622.01ed4ed8@mx.delime.com> Message from Matt Warden (2/1/2005 10:46 PM) >Marc, > >On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:40:15 -0400, M. Seyon wrote: > >The whole reason for comment spam is that it bumps up google's >pagerank and other such methods, which are based on sites linking to >their site. Adding this attribute eliminates the benefit of adding >comment spam to the site using the attribute on links in comments. Ooooooh. I thought it was just there to give visitors something to read if the post was boring... Really, I didn't think about the pagerank thing. I thought it was aimed at human visitors. Thanks. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Feb 1 21:28:50 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:28:50 -0600 Subject: [thelist] OT: Thinking about a swap eMac for MacMini.... In-Reply-To: <42002F35.10409@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003801c508d7$50b076a0$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> I don't think you have to worry about ripping anyone off; the Ebay buyers will tell you exactly how much they think it's worth :) You can always browse some auctions yourself (like I did after the Mac Mini discussions, since I'm also considering a cheap Mac for web testing)... -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of D Ross I was reading that thread the other day about the macmini and I started thinking...Maybe I could sell my emac and buy a mini. Just wanted to get some advice first. I'm a recent semi-unemployed college grad with little money. I would have to sell my emac first to get a mini. Pretty sad I know but anyways... I'm thinking I could sell it on ebay or put an ad for it in the newspaper or something. It's an older emac (about 2 years old), 750mhz / 40gb HD / 640 mb Ram / osx10.2.8 and classic (still runs great and I do preventive maintenance to it regularly)....Has a slight screen blur though. Just the emac I'd say I could sell it for maybe $400-$500. But, I have tons of software on here that could up the price a few hundered. Photoshop CS, Indesign CS, Illustrator 10, Dreamweaver mx04, flash mx04pro, freehand mx, fireworks mx04, old Quark. I'd also like to keep the mouse and keyboard or I guess I could buy new ones. So, not only would I be getting a faster computer it also has 10.3 on it which if I bought myself would be 129$ or so. How much should I sell this emac for? I'm not trying to rip anyone off but people do have money and with all this software I should be able to get a decent amount for it. At least enough to get a mini and a decent monitor. Thanks for any info, David From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Feb 1 22:07:12 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:07:12 +1100 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF12A@kjserver1.kjhome.local> : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : Behalf Of Alex Beston : Sent: Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:05 AM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? : : Ken Schaefer wrote: : : >There's always a risk when you start putting this sort of information online : >- people attempting social engineering attacks may make use of this : >information. : > : Care to eleborate? Elaborate on what a social engineering attack is? Or elaborate on how this information might be used for a social engineering attack? Cheers Ken From evolt at brasscannon.net Tue Feb 1 22:19:41 2005 From: evolt at brasscannon.net (Kevin Martin) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:19:41 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Re: Database-less Forum SW In-Reply-To: <20050202014342.2D6721AB29@brasscannon.net> References: <20050202014342.2D6721AB29@brasscannon.net> Message-ID: <20050202041941.GA31713@brasscannon.net> Quoth Norman Bunn: > > Normally I stick with phpBB for forums and use mySQL, but I have a > prospect that has basic hosting with no database available. What are my > best alternatives for a forum that does not use a database? Traffic > should be minimal. I've had good results with YaBB, which comes in PHP and Perl flavors. Flat text files for everything, reasonably customizable/skinnable, and there are folks actively developing "Add-ons," such as calendars and photo galleries. Utterly free. http://www.yabbforum.com/ From skquinn at speakeasy.net Tue Feb 1 22:58:03 2005 From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:58:03 -0600 Subject: OT Operating System Design WAS RE: [thelist] RE: blaster worm punishment In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF120@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF120@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <1107320283.12226.44.camel@xevious> On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 18:04 +1100, Ken Schaefer wrote: > What exactly is "shoddy" about the design of the OS itself? You really want me to name them all? I don't have that kind of time to burn... For one, marrying the GUI to the kernel. On Unix and clones, if one loses one's GUI (X Window server), the rest of the system doesn't go down with it. The general attitude toward security coming out of Redmond for the past 9 years and change and counting is a large part of the problem, starting with the complete disregard for security going back prior to the release of Windows 95 (note that the first Windows e-mail viruses started appearing after Windows 95 [1]). The latest plan to require an authentic version of Windows to get security updates is not exactly a bright move on Microsoft's part either, as this will only make the security problem worse, because there are people who will violate copyright to get their copy of Windows, no matter what. (The move is motivated by greed, as in continuing to charge an extortionist price for Windows and trying to get as many people to pay for it as possible.) > Please do not say "making everyone an administrator" makes the OS > intrinsically insecure. It doesn't. There's no structural issue there > in the OS components that make it vulnerable to compromise. Maybe not the OS itself, but it sure as hell makes that installation of it insecure. (By the same token, running 'chmod -R a+rwx /' on an OpenBSD box makes that installation insecure, but that doesn't mean OpenBSD itself is insecure.) This is the same reason one should never run things as root on Unix boxes that one does not need to [2]. Normal users do not need write permissions to system files, especially executables and libraries. This is what viruses use to spread, and making a user an administrator gives them exactly these permissions. Here, let me show you: $ ls -l /bin/ls -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 75948 2004-07-16 06:37 /bin/ls That means: only the owner (root) can write to this file (in fact, some distributions install programs not writable for anyone, root included). Everyone else can read and execute, but not write to it. Since I owe a tip: When writing CGI programs (or PHP, ASP, etc), make no assumptions. In particular, don't assume form submissions will come only from your HTML form; they could come from anywhere, and the data could be larger. Don't assume the user has Javascript enabled; always check for valid data on the server. E-mail addresses should be hidden inside your CGI or PHP script, never put in your form (this would open the door for spammers). [1] http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/email_virus.html [2] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ -- Shawn K. Quinn From kristian at zimmer428.net Tue Feb 1 23:07:25 2005 From: kristian at zimmer428.net (Kristian Rink) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:07:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [thelist] apache rewrite? I guess Message-ID: <20050202050725.C3BAE3553CA@dd3334.kasserver.com> Hi Dan; ----- Original Message ----- From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > I need to make sure on the URLs that in certain directories that / is > replaced by /index.jsp. I guess mod_rewrite will do what you need here, but probably it's a little too heavy for something that can be done way easier: Just specify DirectoryIndex index.jsp for the directories you need to have this setting for (or globally for the web server), and you'll be fine. Cheers, Kris From scott at wolpow.com Tue Feb 1 23:40:05 2005 From: scott at wolpow.com (Scott Wolpow) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:40:05 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF12A@kjserver1.kjhome.lo cal> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF12A@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202003733.07e1c8f0@n4277491.securesites.net> Make everything as simple as possible. What annoys me most is when I get past a certain point and if I hit the back button I lose everything. This should not happen to after you submit your payment info. Most important never underestimate the lack of common sense of the user. Scott Wolpow From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Feb 1 23:44:48 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:44:48 +1100 Subject: OT Operating System Design WAS RE: [thelist] RE: blaster wormpunishment Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF12D@kjserver1.kjhome.local> : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn : Sent: Wednesday, 2 February 2005 3:58 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: OT Operating System Design WAS RE: [thelist] RE: blaster : wormpunishment : : On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 18:04 +1100, Ken Schaefer wrote: : > What exactly is "shoddy" about the design of the OS itself? : : You really want me to name them all? I don't have that kind of time to : burn... : : For one, marrying the GUI to the kernel. On Unix and clones, if one : loses one's GUI (X Window server), the rest of the system doesn't go : down with it. I'm not sure what you mean here. There is no "GUI" in the Windows kernel... The Windows NT kernel is implemented in ntoskernel.exe (well, the original filename on the media varies depending on what type of computer you install Windows onto, but it's renamed ntoskernel.exe on the disk). There's no "GUI" in there. Are you somehow referring to the default Windows shell (explorer.exe)? That's completely replaceable. You can replace it with cmd.exe (the supplied Windows CLI environment) if you want, or any other shell for that matter. Do you have any other examples? Cheers Ken From thelist at meidomus.com Wed Feb 2 00:53:31 2005 From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:53:31 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Multi-sheet Excel file from with PHP ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Steve Bissonnette [mailto:steve at plankdesign.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:17 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Multi-sheet Excel file from with PHP ? Anyone know if it?s possible to create a multi-sheet Excel file from with PHP ? (This is PHP on a barebones Unix server ? so using COM object?s isn?t possible) Looked into, http://www.web-aware.com/biff/ But it doesn?t do multiple sheets yet. I also found .. http://paggard.com/projects/xls.generator/ But it costs 100$ US Steve: Try http://pear.php.net/package/Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer -- supports adding multiple sheets. From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 00:57:04 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:57:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: blog edit problem Message-ID: <20050202065705.2672.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> Why on earth, when I go into my blog template at: http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com and add some text to the right hand column, e.g. "Seminar Update", when I save the template edits, and re-publish the entire blog (not just the index)... ...a previous version of my blog description (the text under the blog title, in purple) appears? This is a very mysterious event. I have edited that description text, and this is the second time this has happened. Now I have to try to remember what the edit revision was, re-edit it, save edits, re-publish the blog again. I'm also frustrated with the typography and the colors, so if you have any recommendations, I'm all ears. I've got so much going on, this problem is an aggravating burden. Thanks for any help you can lend me. P.S. I bought "Webmaster in a Nutshell" (O'Reilly book) today, hoping it can teach a usability guy some good techniques and code. ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mac.jordan at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 01:35:36 2005 From: mac.jordan at gmail.com (Mac Jordan) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:35:36 +0000 Subject: [thelist] CFMX Nested Queries In-Reply-To: <006801c508c8$fb150f70$6401a8c0@autolycus> References: <005d01c508c1$250aeaf0$6401a8c0@autolycus> <006801c508c8$fb150f70$6401a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:46:13 -0600, Russ wrote: > And then when you want to "nest a query" you need to put your nested > query in an include file and call it that way. that's a bit long winded - investigate , which will do exactly what you want but in a more elegant manner :) -- mac jordan home: www.kestrel.org work: www.webhorus.net them: www.jordan-cats.org From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Wed Feb 2 05:10:34 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:10:34 +1100 Subject: OT Operating System Design WAS RE: [thelist] RE: blasterwormpunishment In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF12D@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: Agreed, I've seen Windows services, etc, continue responding after "Windows" is well and truly dead. There's no implementation in the kernel... the closer analogy is that it's like using a *ix in single-user (well, process) mode. You lose the machine because there's no real parent environment to return to. Windows Terminal Services is another example - you can fubar your session without affecting others - though my experience is limited, I've never seen a terminal user bring down everyone/other people's sessions... and in this regard, there's a similarity with Unix. Robert > I'm not sure what you mean here. There is no "GUI" in the > Windows kernel... > > The Windows NT kernel is implemented in ntoskernel.exe (well, > the original > filename on the media varies depending on what type of > computer you install > Windows onto, but it's renamed ntoskernel.exe on the disk). > There's no "GUI" > in there. > > Are you somehow referring to the default Windows shell > (explorer.exe)? That's > completely replaceable. You can replace it with cmd.exe (the > supplied Windows > CLI environment) if you want, or any other shell for that matter. From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Wed Feb 2 05:21:00 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:21:00 +1100 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050201210905.01f5ad38@mx.delime.com> Message-ID: > Even if you're buying a car or a personal jet? Hey, don't laugh... Bombardier used to have an ecommerce site for aircraft if I believe... starting at $5M+... but spurious 'purchases' lead to it now being a glorified contact form... which it was before, too, really, but a little less extravagant. Robert From wayne at freelance-developer.co.uk Tue Feb 1 12:53:43 2005 From: wayne at freelance-developer.co.uk (Wayne) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:53:43 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Database-less Forum SW Message-ID: <185F956D2818C24DA8501CBDF63CA67E2345@inter-server.home.local> Hi I had to write a CMS driven website - without a DB. I used XML to store the content and settings and then parsed that instead of pulling it from a DB, or wrote to it. It worked fine as a small website with not a lot of visitors, but obiously, for larger scle solutions, this would not be appropriate. This was done in ASP 3.0 but I suspect it would work similar in PHP or similar using xerces or whatever. Give me a shout off list if you want some pointers implementing this in ASP3.0. Doing it in .NET would be even easier. HTH W -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Norman Bunn Sent: 01 February 2005 17:45 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Database-less Forum SW Normally I stick with phpBB for forums and use mySQL, but I have a prospect that has basic hosting with no database available. What are my best alternatives for a forum that does not use a database? Traffic should be minimal. Thanks, Norman -- --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From wayne at freelance-developer.co.uk Tue Feb 1 13:28:26 2005 From: wayne at freelance-developer.co.uk (Wayne) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:28:26 -0000 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help Message-ID: <185F956D2818C24DA8501CBDF63CA67E2346@inter-server.home.local> I thought that JSP code was parsed into servlets which look similar to the first example anyway? -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: 01 February 2005 17:04 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] JSP Help RUST Randal wrote: > Just for my own edification, how should it be done then? Separation of data, presentation and logic (the MVC pattern) would say just put that in *as HTML*. Your example had *no* variable data within it at all, which makes it even worse :-) Why have, for instance, this: <% StringBuffer buf = new StringBuffer(); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append(""); buf.append("
Check NumberPayment DateCheck AmountPayment TypeStatusIn LetterCheck Details
"); out.println(buf.toString()); %> to simply create .... when you can do it directly? (and use the validation, syntax highlighting, etc. of your preferred tool set, as well) The whole *point* of JSP is to remove the need for things like that first example... -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From aruba at cybersync.com Wed Feb 2 05:42:48 2005 From: aruba at cybersync.com (lmp) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:42:48 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Code Protection Message-ID: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> Code Gurus, Is there any software that will sort of protect HTML, JavaScript and CSS source code? I know nothing can be totally protected but I came across these two and wonder if anybody has any comments http://www.weblockpro.com or http://www.newbiehangout.com/protect-html-faq.htm Thank you, Lynn From lists at onlinetools.org Wed Feb 2 05:50:57 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Chris Heilmann) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:50:57 +0100 (CET) Subject: [thelist] Code Protection In-Reply-To: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> References: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> Message-ID: <13505.80.85.75.20.1107345057.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net> > Code Gurus, > > Is there any software that will sort of protect HTML, JavaScript and CSS > source code? I know nothing can be totally protected but I came across > these two and wonder if anybody has any comments > > http://www.weblockpro.com or > http://www.newbiehangout.com/protect-html-faq.htm Why would you want to use that? There is virtually no way to protect anything that is displayed in a browser, as it will be cached on the client machine, you can use the DOM inspector, or "generated source" bookmarklets and and and... It is one of the really nice things about the web that it is a "perceive and take part" media. If there are any copyright issues, say so on the page and let the lawyers deal with it. A technical issue it isn't. Obfuscating HTML, Javascript and CSS is like crumbling all documents you write and print out to stop people from photocopying them. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From mac.jordan at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 06:07:04 2005 From: mac.jordan at gmail.com (Mac Jordan) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:07:04 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Code Protection In-Reply-To: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> References: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:42:48 -0500, lmp wrote: > Code Gurus, > > Is there any software that will sort of protect HTML, JavaScript and CSS > source code? I know nothing can be totally protected but I came across > these two and wonder if anybody has any comments > > http://www.weblockpro.com or > http://www.newbiehangout.com/protect-html-faq.htm don't waste your money. The first one - weblockpro.com - did absolutely nothing in Firefox on a Mac. I could print, view source, hover over his link. the second one looks like snake oil to me. at the end of the day, if you put it up there, someone can get it. I hope you don't mind me asking, but what is so special about your HTML that needs securing, when everyone else's is there for us all to read? -- mac jordan home: www.kestrel.org work: www.webhorus.net them: www.jordan-cats.org From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Feb 2 06:03:55 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:03:55 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Code Protection Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF134@kjserver1.kjhome.local> I call "rubbish" As you know, browsers only understand HTML (and CSS, javascript etc). So, in order to render the page, the browser needs to be able to see valid HTML (or CSS or javascript). If the browser can see that, then so can the user. Now, let's look at: http://www.newbiehangout.com/protect-html-faq.htm They claim that: "HTML-Protector works by taking your existing Web pages and hiding your data using a high-security encryption algorithm" Well, I sincerely doubt they use an encryption at all. But let's suppose they do. Since the browser needs to be able to see decrypted HTML, then there must be a decryption key supplied to the browser to decrypt this supposedly encrypted source. Given that this decryption key is sent to the user's computer, I don't see how you can keep the supposedly encrypted source away from anyone who wants to decrypt it. The same sort of problems afflict the first product. They use some javascript tricks to do some of the work (like preventing right-clicks). Easily stopped by disabling javascript in your browser. The "encryption" claim is just as bogus as the other site. Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : Behalf Of lmp : Sent: Wednesday, 2 February 2005 10:43 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: [thelist] Code Protection : : Code Gurus, : : Is there any software that will sort of protect HTML, JavaScript and CSS : source code? I know nothing can be totally protected but I came across : these two and wonder if anybody has any comments : : http://www.weblockpro.com or : http://www.newbiehangout.com/protect-html-faq.htm From skquinn at speakeasy.net Wed Feb 2 06:25:11 2005 From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:25:11 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Code Protection In-Reply-To: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> References: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> Message-ID: <1107347111.25881.2.camel@xevious> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 06:42 -0500, lmp wrote: > Code Gurus, > > Is there any software that will sort of protect HTML, JavaScript and > CSS source code? I know nothing can be totally protected but I came > across these two and wonder if anybody has any comments > > http://www.weblockpro.com or > http://www.newbiehangout.com/protect-html-faq.htm Those are great ways to completely mess up your site for Javascript disabled users, and in the end do nothing to stop the determined from getting your code anyway. If it can be viewed, it can be copied. You are best off relying on copyright law and legal defenses to protect your work. -- Shawn K. Quinn From evolt at kasimir-k.fi Wed Feb 2 07:07:10 2005 From: evolt at kasimir-k.fi (Kasimir K) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:07:10 +0000 Subject: OT Operating System Design WAS RE: [thelist] RE: blaster wormpunishment In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF12D@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF12D@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <4200D07E.5000706@kasimir-k.fi> Ken Schaefer wrote on 2005-02-02 05:44: > Are you somehow referring to the default Windows shell (explorer.exe)? That's > completely replaceable. You can replace it with cmd.exe (the supplied Windows > CLI environment) if you want, or any other shell for that matter. Just curious: what other shells there are available? .k If windows explorer stops responding you don't necessarily need to reboot your computer thus loosing all unsaved work. Instead you can revive explorer: 1. press ctrl-alt-del for task manager 2. on the process list, locate explorer.exe, right click and kill the process 3. from file menu, start new task "explorer.exe", and now you have explorer fresh and co-operative. From ron.luther at hp.com Wed Feb 2 07:23:39 2005 From: ron.luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:23:39 -0600 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060861BB84@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Tim Burgan asked: >>I'm asking from the point of view of: >>what features should our e-commerce application have. Hi Tim, (I usually keep my nose out of the e-commerce questions, but I'm gonna wade in here anyway.) I think it depends on your product ... * If you are selling 'digital wares'; MP3s, software, pdfs of research reports, videos, etc ... then you may want the ability to generate a 'one time use' password ... thats a need you wouldn't have if you were selling sweaters. * If you are selling pre-packaged goods such as 'coffee cups' ... then you may not need extensive flexibility in allowing the user to specify 'features' such as 'size', 'color', 'leather seats', 'AM/FM/CD player'. * If you were selling 'usage for on-line gaming'; "1 hour of 'Frag XII' ", "4 hours of 'Quarter Life IV' " ... then you might need features for tracking that usage, popping up 'special deal' ads, etc. I think it depends on your clientele ... * You may want a whole bunch of nice features to manage a 'profile' if 90% of your business is repear customers ... otherwise you might not care about extensive flexibility for these features. But, most of all, I also think it depends how well you need to integrate your site with the remaining corporate systems ... if you are selling manufactured goods, then you may need to link in to MRP, Order Promising, Inventory, etc. ... Does the site need to feed a legacy invoicing system? Does it need to receive and comprehend '856 signals' from your carriers? Do you need extensive 'management reporting' capabilities? If so, then a system with fewer front-end 'e-features' and better back-end integration capabilities may be a better fit. I don't think it's a 'one size fits all' question ... I think you need to understand _your_ business requirements ... and know which ones are 'critical' and which are 'nice to have' ... I don't think we can do that for you. You may need to go back to your 'biz' folks and make them work -- (OMG!) -- explaining to you, at great length and detail, exactly what their requirements and expectations are for this new system. If you don't know what the goals are, then you can't measure, and proclaim, your 'success'. HTH, RonL. From bmcintyre at issgroup.net Wed Feb 2 08:07:58 2005 From: bmcintyre at issgroup.net (Bruce McIntyre) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:07:58 -0500 Subject: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? Message-ID: <1A3C566B2FE47042A46539E6B9CC2D79018577FB@dc1.mds_tech.issgroup.net> As part of this, we would be interested in more information: 1. What is the product/service being offered on the website 2. What is the back-end ERP system being linked 3. Is real-time visibility of availability, pricing, invoices, etc. required? 4. Is the targeted customer base B2C, B2B, Distributors, Brokers, etc? 5. Is this intended to duplicate functionality of EDI? Or strictly commercial? 6. How many "products" (SKUs) are being offered? 7. Is it necessary to provide easy search capability? Are there product hierarchies to support? 8. Is additional elements needed? (Documentation, videos, spec sheets, engineering drawings, etc) 9. Will this be an open catalog, or a closed catalog (needing a login) or both? 10. Are there taxation or liability issues? (cigarettes, wine, medical equipment, pharmaceauticals, etc.) 11. Is this site to be maintained by IT? Business users? External consultants? 12. Is this to become the entire website, or just the catalog? 13. What kind of security model is needed? If you can give us a better rundown, we can give you a better set of responses. -- Bruce A. McIntyre ISS Group (http://www.issgroup.net) Shaping Visions into Solutions bmcintyre at issgroup.net V: 215.942.4718 F: 215.942.4962 -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Luther, Ron Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:24 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] What makes a good e-commerce website? Tim Burgan asked: >>I'm asking from the point of view of: >>what features should our e-commerce application have. Hi Tim, (I usually keep my nose out of the e-commerce questions, but I'm gonna wade in here anyway.) I think it depends on your product ... * If you are selling 'digital wares'; MP3s, software, pdfs of research reports, videos, etc ... then you may want the ability to generate a 'one time use' password ... thats a need you wouldn't have if you were selling sweaters. * If you are selling pre-packaged goods such as 'coffee cups' ... then you may not need extensive flexibility in allowing the user to specify 'features' such as 'size', 'color', 'leather seats', 'AM/FM/CD player'. * If you were selling 'usage for on-line gaming'; "1 hour of 'Frag XII' ", "4 hours of 'Quarter Life IV' " ... then you might need features for tracking that usage, popping up 'special deal' ads, etc. I think it depends on your clientele ... * You may want a whole bunch of nice features to manage a 'profile' if 90% of your business is repear customers ... otherwise you might not care about extensive flexibility for these features. But, most of all, I also think it depends how well you need to integrate your site with the remaining corporate systems ... if you are selling manufactured goods, then you may need to link in to MRP, Order Promising, Inventory, etc. ... Does the site need to feed a legacy invoicing system? Does it need to receive and comprehend '856 signals' from your carriers? Do you need extensive 'management reporting' capabilities? If so, then a system with fewer front-end 'e-features' and better back-end integration capabilities may be a better fit. I don't think it's a 'one size fits all' question ... I think you need to understand _your_ business requirements ... and know which ones are 'critical' and which are 'nice to have' ... I don't think we can do that for you. You may need to go back to your 'biz' folks and make them work -- (OMG!) -- explaining to you, at great length and detail, exactly what their requirements and expectations are for this new system. If you don't know what the goals are, then you can't measure, and proclaim, your 'success'. HTH, RonL. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From evolt at axe.dircon.co.uk Wed Feb 2 08:12:23 2005 From: evolt at axe.dircon.co.uk (Chris) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:12:23 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Re:Code Protection In-Reply-To: <20050202120352.987.qmail@qmx1.uk.netscalibur.com> References: <20050202120352.987.qmail@qmx1.uk.netscalibur.com> Message-ID: <4200DFC7.4070701@axe.dircon.co.uk> > Is there any software that will sort of protect HTML, JavaScript and CSS > source code? I know nothing can be totally protected but I came across > these two and wonder if anybody has any comments > > http://www.weblockpro.com or > http://www.newbiehangout.com/protect-html-faq.htm 1. So-called "encrypted" code can't be indexed by search engines. 2. Browsers without Javascript support (or where Javascript has been turned off) will not be able to access your site, as Javascript is used for the "decryption". 3. Many of the claims made by Mike Chen about Weblock Pro are simply not true. (If you're reading this Mike, and disagree, sue me. Please.) 4. Getting round the encryption is so easy [1] that it seems unlikely to outweigh the drawbacks mentioned above. I was also not especially impressed by the newbiehangout page with it's "Buy before midnight, Wednesday, 02 February for just $14.95!" offer - where the date is dynamically generated each time you view the page. It suggests they're only aiming to sell this product to uninformed, or worse still, gullible, people. Don't be one of them :-) -Chris [1] I offer this only as an example - I'm not saying it's especially clever, or that there are not other methods. Using Firefox: i.Disable Javascript (tools->options->web features) ii.Highlight all text on web page iii.Context menu->view selection source From joshua at waetech.com Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:15:56 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Per socket bandwidth throttling Message-ID: On a Windows 2003 server, does anybody know of a way to throttle how much bandwidth can be allocated to a single socket connection? I'm not necessarily talking about JUST IIS requests, but potentially any web service on the machine. And, by "single socket" I'm referring to a single client connected to the machine. For example, I may want to limit the bandwidth to 10kbps for each client who connects to my box via port 80, except perhaps googlebot, who is allowed only 5kbps. Is there an appliance that can stand in-front of my box or a NIC software driver that can do this? Would anybody be interested in writing such a driver if it doesn't exist? <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua Olson Web Application Engineer WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/ 706.210.0168 From fuzzylizard at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 08:46:27 2005 From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:46:27 -0500 Subject: [thelist] OT: Thinking about a swap eMac for MacMini.... In-Reply-To: <42002F35.10409@comcast.net> References: <42002F35.10409@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:39:01 -0500, D Ross wrote: > > though. Just the emac I'd say I could sell it for maybe $400-$500. But, > I have tons of software on here that could up the price a few hundered. > Photoshop CS, Indesign CS, Illustrator 10, Dreamweaver mx04, flash > mx04pro, freehand mx, fireworks mx04, old Quark. > Just one quick note on the software, are you trying to sell the software on the machone or the software itself, i.e., the first choice you only get the software on the machine, the second you get the software and the install disks, manuals, box, etc? Just the first is called piracy and in my opinion should not affect the price at all, the second is perfectly legal, although I would sell the software individually, you might get a better price. I am just not sure why you would want to sell a mac plus all the software that you own in order to buy a mac mini. Once you get the mac mini, what do you intend to do with it with no software? -- chris johnston www.fuzzylizard.com "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we learned to talk." Pink Floyd From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 09:00:37 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:00:37 -0500 Subject: [thelist] OT: Thinking about a swap eMac for MacMini.... In-Reply-To: <003801c508d7$50b076a0$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> References: <42002F35.10409@comcast.net> <003801c508d7$50b076a0$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> Message-ID: To be honest the software would be more valiuable then the computer, although 640 MB of RAM in an eMac is a good bit. Best bet like Peter said is to check on what something similar is selling for and maybe up it a bit if you are doing it with reserve. On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:28:50 -0600, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > > I don't think you have to worry about ripping anyone off; the > Ebay buyers will tell you exactly how much they think it's worth :) > You can always browse some auctions yourself (like I did after > the Mac Mini discussions, since I'm also considering a cheap Mac for web > testing)... > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of D Ross > > I was reading that thread the other day about the macmini and I started > thinking...Maybe I could sell my emac and buy a mini. Just wanted to get > > some advice first. > > I'm a recent semi-unemployed college grad with little money. I would > have to sell my emac first to get a mini. Pretty sad I know but > anyways... > > I'm thinking I could sell it on ebay or put an ad for it in the > newspaper or something. It's an older emac (about 2 years old), 750mhz / > > 40gb HD / 640 mb Ram / osx10.2.8 and classic (still runs great and I do > > preventive maintenance to it regularly)....Has a slight screen blur > though. Just the emac I'd say I could sell it for maybe $400-$500. But, > I have tons of software on here that could up the price a few hundered. > Photoshop CS, Indesign CS, Illustrator 10, Dreamweaver mx04, flash > mx04pro, freehand mx, fireworks mx04, old Quark. > > I'd also like to keep the mouse and keyboard or I guess I could buy new > ones. > > So, not only would I be getting a faster computer it also has 10.3 on it > > which if I bought myself would be 129$ or so. > > How much should I sell this emac for? I'm not trying to rip anyone off > but people do have money and with all this software I should be able to > get a decent amount for it. At least enough to get a mini and a decent > monitor. > > Thanks for any info, > David > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From keith at digital-crew.com Wed Feb 2 09:08:52 2005 From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:08:52 +0000 Subject: OT Operating System Design WAS RE: [thelist] RE: blaster worm punishment In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF120@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF120@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <4200ED04.4090200@digital-crew.com> Ken Schaefer wrote: > > : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On > : Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn > : Subject: Re: [thelist] RE: blaster worm punishment > : > : I disagree here. If anything he was punished too harshly. (And no, I > : don't think he deserves a commendation.) Microsoft is the one getting > : away with it here, as their shoddy operating system design allowed this > : to happen to begin with. You don't hear about worms attacking other > : operating systems, do you? > > To Shawn: > What exactly is "shoddy" about the design of the OS itself? Amongst other things, I'll just mention my two joint pet hates: the LocalSystem user, aka "uber-root", the WM_TIMER message. I'll say no more 'cause Google is your friend. And to make up for that, here's a tip Want to talk to the server? Don't want to or can't use XMLHttpRequest? Have a thing for doing stuff ReSTfully? Well say no more! Here's your answer: function DoRPCRequest(responder, extra) { var head = document.getElementsByTagName("body")[0]; // Remove any existing RPC block, if possible. try { var old = document.getElementById("rpcScript"); if (old) head.removeChild(old); } catch (e) {} // Build the call string, appending on any extra arguments. var call = responder; if (arguments.length > 1) call += (responder.indexOf("?") == -1 ? "?" : "&") + extra; // Build the new script element and put it in the head. The script // is automatically fetched and ran. var script = document.createElement("script"); script.src = call; script.type = "text/javascript"; script.defer = true; script.id = "rpcScript"; head.appendChild(script); } What this bit of code does is fetch some JavaScript from the server and put it in the document to be executed. Of course, this could be code generated by a template (the responder) on the server, the arguments string passed in the optional "extra" parameter. There's a few enhancements that could be made to this. For instance, it could check if the "extra" argument is an array and, if so, convert the key/value pairs into an argument string. From mac.jordan at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 09:14:07 2005 From: mac.jordan at gmail.com (Mac Jordan) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:14:07 +0000 Subject: [thelist] OT: Thinking about a swap eMac for MacMini.... In-Reply-To: <42002F35.10409@comcast.net> References: <42002F35.10409@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:39:01 -0500, D Ross wrote: > I'm thinking I could sell it on ebay or put an ad for it in the > newspaper or something. It's an older emac (about 2 years old), 750mhz / > 40gb HD / 640 mb Ram / osx10.2.8 and classic (still runs great and I do > preventive maintenance to it regularly)....Has a slight screen blur > though. Just the emac I'd say I could sell it for maybe $400-$500. But, > I have tons of software on here that could up the price a few hundered. > Photoshop CS, Indesign CS, Illustrator 10, Dreamweaver mx04, flash > mx04pro, freehand mx, fireworks mx04, old Quark. but then you wouldn't be able to use that software on the new machine, because you would have sold the licences. and anyone else who's looking for a new Mac will be able to do the sums as well as you - the Mac Mini is killing 2nd hand Mac prices. -- mac jordan home: www.kestrel.org work: www.webhorus.net them: www.jordan-cats.org From keith at digital-crew.com Wed Feb 2 09:17:45 2005 From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:17:45 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Code Protection In-Reply-To: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> References: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> Message-ID: <4200EF19.7090000@digital-crew.com> lmp wrote: > Code Gurus, > > Is there any software that will sort of protect HTML, JavaScript and CSS > source code? I know nothing can be totally protected but I came across > these two and wonder if anybody has any comments > > http://www.weblockpro.com or > http://www.newbiehangout.com/protect-html-faq.htm > > Thank you, > Lynn If it ends up on a user's machine, they can get at it. The best, if you really think it's that much worth hiding, that you can hope for is to obfuscate it. But that doesn't really help you much 'cause anybody who really thinks your stuff is worth stealing is going to be able to deobfuscate it anyway. I don't like deliberate obfuscation myself. However, if you're still sure you want to do it, then you could do a lot worse than Dean Edward's JS Packer: http://dean.edwards.name/packer/ K. From mwarden at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 09:26:53 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:26:53 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JSP Help In-Reply-To: <185F956D2818C24DA8501CBDF63CA67E2346@inter-server.home.local> References: <185F956D2818C24DA8501CBDF63CA67E2346@inter-server.home.local> Message-ID: Wayne, On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:28:26 -0000, Wayne wrote: > I thought that JSP code was parsed into servlets which look similar to the first example anyway? At some point code like that which was mentioned must be mixed with presentation. The idea is to have that point somewhere after the source code. Thanks, -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From dave at tokyocomedy.com Wed Feb 2 09:43:28 2005 From: dave at tokyocomedy.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:43:28 +0900 Subject: [thelist] Trying to write a very simple form to edit a schedule using PHP/MySQL Message-ID: <4200F520.90400@tokyocomedy.com> The List, The Situation: I'm trying to create a very simple form where users can add or remove dates for an event they've created. The Problem: I'm stuck as to how to actually get the user selection to actually impact the database. It's more a confusion on how to logically organize the script than it is about knowing the right commands. What I've tried So Far: I've got as far as listing the dates already created, with a check box beside each entry for users to select to delete if they want. But I'm not sure what to do with the data. I know I need to create a MySQL command to update the database fields. But I'm lost as to how to organize the variables to put the user selected dates into the MySQL command line. The Question: Can anyone suggest what the best way to structure this form to give users the ability to remove listed dates? For Reference: Here is the form so far. I realize it's incomplete, but hopefully it will give enough of an idea of what I'm trying to achieve.

Scheduled shows

= CURDATE() ORDER BY schedule.date"; $schedResult = mysql_query($schedQuery); $schedData = mysql_fetch_array($schedResult); while ($schedArray = mysql_fetch_array($schedResult)) { echo "

" . $schedArray['date'] . " (Delete? )

\n"; } ?>

Any advice would be much appreciated. -- Dave Gutteridge dave at tokyocomedy.com From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Wed Feb 2 09:51:23 2005 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:51:23 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JSP Newbie Message-ID: <4200F6FB.3040501@craftedsolutions.com> I am looking at the Magnolia CMS (magnolia.info) and see that it uses Java Server Pages. Having never worked with JSP, what resources are there that you recommend? What "gotchas" are there to be aware of? What are the server specific requirements and such? Just need a place to start. Thanks, Norman -- --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- From rob.smith at THERMON.com Wed Feb 2 10:01:12 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:01:12 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Buggy Access Linked Tables - Wrong Data Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D0D0@smtmb.tmc.local> Here's one for ya. We have an Access 97 GUI that uses Linked tables to an SQL Server 2k box. In this one particular instance we have something like 'XYZ ABC 123' However, when I pull up that same identical cell in the SQL server all I get is 'ABC 123'. If these are linked tables how can this be? Oh, this data hasn't been changed in over 3 years and the tables have been (re)linked many times since then. Rob Smith From headlemur at lemurzone.com Wed Feb 2 10:22:53 2005 From: headlemur at lemurzone.com (the head lemur) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:22:53 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Re:Code Protection References: <20050202120352.987.qmail@qmx1.uk.netscalibur.com> <4200DFC7.4070701@axe.dircon.co.uk> Message-ID: <003601c50943$728980c0$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net> > > Is there any software that will sort of protect HTML, JavaScript and CSS > > source code? I know nothing can be totally protected but I came across > > these two and wonder if anybody has any comments No.... I am a Source Code Thief http://evolt.org/article/I_am_a_Source_Code_Thief/25/15366/index.html the head lemur Interviews: http://www.lemurzone.com/pixelview/ blog: http://theheadlemur.typepad.com/ Community: http://www.evolt.org From ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br Wed Feb 2 10:23:12 2005 From: ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br (Rui Madeira) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:23:12 -0300 (ART) Subject: [thelist] Html question on coldfusion v2 In-Reply-To: <858F9BD79E563F48ABA441785A8DE5C89BE8E9@main.geocalm.local> Message-ID: <20050202162312.62218.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Hello again Cherly. I tried this way but it return an error after the tag ... Can you help me in any other way? Thank you in advanced
Cheryl Ash wrote:I know a little CF, Hope this helps. #Descricao# #Descricao# #Concelho# Cheryl Ash -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rui Madeira Sent: January 31, 2005 10:58 AM To: The List Subject: [thelist] Html question on coldfusion Hello to everyone rom Portugal #Descricao# #Concelho# This is my script. What I need is that when the return in #Descri??o# is "something" it wouldn?t be transformed into a link Can anybody help me? Thank you in advanced Rui Madeira --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis - Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador do Yahoo! agora. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis - Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador do Yahoo! agora. From jabber at raditha.com Wed Feb 2 10:39:47 2005 From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:39:47 +0600 Subject: [thelist] JSP Newbie In-Reply-To: <4200F6FB.3040501@craftedsolutions.com> References: <4200F6FB.3040501@craftedsolutions.com> Message-ID: <42010253.8000107@raditha.com> Norman Bunn wrote: > I am looking at the Magnolia CMS (magnolia.info) and see that it uses > Java Server Pages. Having never worked with JSP, what resources are > there that you recommend? What "gotchas" are there to be aware of? > What are the server specific requirements and such? Just need a place > to start. If you are familiar with the java progamming language, learning JSP is not difficult at all. However people coding with JSP tend to use taglibs which can be pretty annoying. You need a servlet container to run this stuff and you need to have the java virtual machine installed as well. > > Thanks, > > Norman > -- Raditha Dissanayake. ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.radinks.com/print/card-designer/ | Card Designer Applet http://www.radinks.com/upload/ | Drag and Drop Upload From mr.sanders at designshift.com Wed Feb 2 10:43:33 2005 From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:43:33 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Html question on coldfusion v2 In-Reply-To: <20050202162312.62218.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050202162312.62218.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42010335.3050606@designshift.com> > I tried this way but it return an error after the tag ... Can you help me in any other way? Thank you in advanced > > > > > > > > When you include this inside tags, you'll need to change this: color="#000000" to this: color="##000000" Otherwise CF thinks you're trying to output a variable or other dynamic tidbit. -- Sarah Sweeney :: Web Developer & Programmer Portfolio :: http://sarah.designshift.com Blog :: http://hardedge.ca From jabber at raditha.com Wed Feb 2 10:42:12 2005 From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:42:12 +0600 Subject: [thelist] Code Protection In-Reply-To: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> References: <4200BCB8.8060104@cybersync.com> Message-ID: <420102E4.3010907@raditha.com> lmp wrote: > Code Gurus, > > Is there any software that will sort of protect HTML, JavaScript and > CSS source code? I know nothing can be totally protected but I came > across these two and wonder if anybody has any comments The only solution that is known to work 100% is unplugging the network cable. -- Raditha Dissanayake. ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.radinks.com/print/card-designer/ | Card Designer Applet http://www.radinks.com/upload/ | Drag and Drop Upload From rob.smith at THERMON.com Wed Feb 2 10:39:48 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:39:48 -0600 Subject: [thelist] XHTML/ASP Drew. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 From Ed at ComSimplicity.com Wed Feb 2 11:34:59 2005 From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:34:59 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Buggy Access Linked Tables - Wrong Data In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D0D0@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <000001c5094d$86a88510$6401a8c0@ed> > We have an Access 97 GUI that uses Linked tables to an SQL > Server 2k box. In this one particular instance we have > something like 'XYZ ABC 123' However, when I pull up that > same identical cell in the SQL server all I get is 'ABC 123'. How are you "pulling up" the cell in SQL Server. If you're using T-SQL in the Query Analyzer, could you show us the code? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ed McCarroll http://www.ComSimplicity.com (310) 838-4330 PO Box 654, Culver City, CA 90232 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From Brian at hondaswap.com Wed Feb 2 11:49:22 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:49:22 -0500 Subject: [thelist] XHTML/ASP > > > > > > > > > > > > When you include this inside tags, you'll need to change this: > color="#000000" > to this: > color="##000000" > > Otherwise CF thinks you're trying to output a variable or other dynamic > tidbit. > > -- > Sarah Sweeney :: Web Developer & Programmer > Portfolio :: http://sarah.designshift.com > Blog :: http://hardedge.ca > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From evoltlist at delime.com Wed Feb 2 11:27:07 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:27:07 -0400 Subject: [thelist] XHTML/ASP [.....] All this, linked to the CSS/STYLE: .img-m:link { border-top: 5px solid #000080; border-right: 5px solid #000080; border-bottom: 5px solid #000080; border-left: 5px solid #000080; } .img-m:visited { border-top: 5px solid gray; border-right: 5px solid gray; border-bottom: 5px solid gray; border-left: 5px solid gray; } .img-m:hover { border-top: 5px solid red; border-right: 5px solid red; border-bottom: 5px solid red; border-left: 5px solid red; } Any one of you could put some light about the strange reason of not appearing the TOP-BORDER on the pictures? Thanks a lot in advance Joan Oliv? i Mallafr? Catalonia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.848 / Virus Database: 576 - Release Date: 27/01/2005 From chris at lwcdial.net Wed Feb 2 12:20:06 2005 From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:20:06 -0000 Subject: [thelist] XHTML/ASP > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org >>[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Russ >>Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:50 PM >>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >>Subject: [thelist] CFMX Nested Queries >> >> >>Grr, sorry... >> >>I'm attempting to pull some information from 2 tables in my database >>(where I'm storing my RSS feed information): > > > From kalos at carolina.rr.com Fri Feb 4 14:22:06 2005 From: kalos at carolina.rr.com (Benjamin Tilley) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:22:06 -0500 Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files? In-Reply-To: <20050204190842.28263.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050204190842.28263.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4203D96E.8070701@carolina.rr.com> That's the only downside to law firms (besides the lawyers). Ideally they could use an IMAP server to keep the email on so that it is centralized and a client such as Thunderbird which will allow the users to search through the messages. Would also allow for a webmail solution in case anyone wished to check mail whilst away from the office and still have said functionality. -ben From freebsdlists at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 14:34:25 2005 From: freebsdlists at gmail.com (TjL) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:34:25 -0500 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? Message-ID: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> Hey folks Getting back into web design, have a paying gig or two. Looking for some current favorites when it comes to books I ought to read. I've read "Don't make me think" and "Taking your talent to the web" and "The Definitive CSS" and a couple others, but nothing more recent than that. Have about $100 to spend m/l.... what would you suggest? Here's what I came up with: Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook (Pioneering Series) - Dan Cederholm Defensive Design for the Web : How to improve error messages, help, forms, and other crisis points (Voices That Matter) - 37signals; PHP and MySQL Web Development (3rd Edition) (Developer's Library) - Luke Welling; [I have an old one of these... I know just enough PHP/MySQL to be dangerous] More Eric Meyer on CSS (Voices That Matter) [I'm fairly comfortable with CSS, don't know if I need this one] I'd welcome "Yes, that's a good choice" or "No, you ought to get XYZ instead" or other comments. Thanks! TjL aside: anyone see the current Amazon.com homepage? WOW! A full page GIF if text! How nicely inaccessible! http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/gateway/promo/jeff-letter-prime.gif From rob.smith at THERMON.com Fri Feb 4 14:42:23 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:42:23 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Legal Agreement Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D101@smtmb.tmc.local> Hi all, I can probably STFW on this one, but are there any specialized lawyers/websites that you've delt with to provide you legal agreements from? It's the long text that usually precedes the "I have agreed to the terms of this contract." Rob Smith From judah at wiredotter.com Fri Feb 4 14:48:35 2005 From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:48:35 -0800 Subject: [thelist] DOM Help In-Reply-To: <42027F75.3090805@onlinetools.org> References: <59777.80.85.75.20.1107452031.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net> <42027F75.3090805@onlinetools.org> Message-ID: <4203DFA3.3040406@wiredotter.com> Christian Heilmann wrote: >>> Another point to be aware of is that display:block and display:none are >>> very easy and understandable, but also hide content from assistive >>> technology: >>> http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ScreenreaderVisibility >>> >> >> >> What would you suggest otherwise? I checked your code to see what you >> were using, but you also use this CSS property. >> >> > That is explained in the article above, the idea is to move the element > off the screen via absolute positioning. > For my example of clickable headlines I used it out of sheer lazyness, > in newer scripts however I tend to move stuff off-left. Perhaps a silly question, but why would it not be appropriate to hide the content from assistive technology? You are hiding it from one browser, why not hide it from all browsers? As long as you have a way for all browsers to bring the content back again it would seem to make the most sense to have the same content and the same behavior for all browsers. Judah From rob.smith at THERMON.com Fri Feb 4 15:03:45 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:03:45 -0600 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D102@smtmb.tmc.local> "Yes, those are good choices" Personally, I haven't bought a book in a really really long time. Most everything I need is on the big WWW with a little help from Google. Rob From kalos at carolina.rr.com Fri Feb 4 15:08:51 2005 From: kalos at carolina.rr.com (Benjamin Tilley) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:08:51 -0500 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4203E463.6000702@carolina.rr.com> /Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook/ by Dan Cedarholm (ISBN: 1590593812) is a great book. I highly recommend it. -ben From lists at onlinetools.org Fri Feb 4 15:50:14 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:50:14 +0000 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4203EE16.5030402@onlinetools.org> >Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook (Pioneering >Series) - Dan Cederholm > > > Total yes. It is a wonderful book with loads of examples how to apply styles and standard code, right from real projects and not just evangelising about the matter. >Defensive Design for the Web : How to improve error messages, help, >forms, and other crisis points (Voices That Matter) - 37signals; > > > It is an OK book, but nothing special. It shows how web sites apply usability issues bad and good, so to say a website showcase, rather than technical explanations. I really disliked its evangelising of very inaccessible scripts and forms as great solutions. 7/10 for usability information, 2/10 for technique and 1/10 for reusability of the book. Don't make me think is on my desk, this one is in the drawer Other books that I really cherish: Jeffrey Zeldman: Designing with web standards http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712018/onlinetoolsorg/002-1047535-4078418 Joe Clark: Building accessible web sites http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/073571150X/onlinetoolsorg/002-1047535-4078418 Ani Phyo: Return on Design http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201756072/onlinetoolsorg/002-1047535-4078418 From steve at clason.org Fri Feb 4 15:16:32 2005 From: steve at clason.org (Steve Clason) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:16:32 -0700 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4203E630.2070808@clason.org> On 2/4/2005 1:34 PM TjL wrote: > some current favorites when it comes to books I ought to read. > PHP and MySQL Web Development (3rd Edition) (Developer's Library) - > Luke Welling; [I have an old one of these... I know just enough > PHP/MySQL to be dangerous] If you have an old one and are already dangerous, I'd suggest Beginning PHP 5 and MySQL, by W. Jason Gilmore. It's less project oriented than the Welling/Thomson and so more useful as a reference, but it still is very practical and contains lots of sample code. I use both, but the Gilmore book more often. -- Steve Clason From whiteinge at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 15:18:07 2005 From: whiteinge at gmail.com (Seth House) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:18:07 -0700 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D102@smtmb.tmc.local> References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D102@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: Like Rob, I haven't purchased a book on web dev in a really long time. The other day, however, I swung by B&N to eyeball Designing with Web Standards (May 2003 - ISBN 0735712018) by Zeldman. I wanted to see his chapter on the DOM, but as I was flipping through it I kept getting sidetracked by other chapters - it really is fantastically written, and I thought I already knew a lot of this stuff. - whiteinge On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:03:45 -0600, Rob Smith wrote: > "Yes, those are good choices" > > Personally, I haven't bought a book in a really really long time. Most > everything I need is on the big WWW with a little help from Google. > > Rob > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From lists at onlinetools.org Fri Feb 4 15:56:47 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:56:47 +0000 Subject: [thelist] DOM Help In-Reply-To: <4203DFA3.3040406@wiredotter.com> References: <59777.80.85.75.20.1107452031.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net> <42027F75.3090805@onlinetools.org> <4203DFA3.3040406@wiredotter.com> Message-ID: <4203EF9F.9070605@onlinetools.org> > >>>> Another point to be aware of is that display:block and display:none >>>> are >>>> very easy and understandable, but also hide content from assistive >>>> technology: >>>> http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ScreenreaderVisibility >>> >>> >>> What would you suggest otherwise? I checked your code to see what you >>> were using, but you also use this CSS property. >>> >> That is explained in the article above, the idea is to move the >> element off the screen via absolute positioning. >> For my example of clickable headlines I used it out of sheer >> lazyness, in newer scripts however I tend to move stuff off-left. > > > Perhaps a silly question, but why would it not be appropriate to hide > the content from assistive technology? You are hiding it from one > browser, why not hide it from all browsers? As long as you have a way > for all browsers to bring the content back again it would seem to make > the most sense to have the same content and the same behavior for all > browsers. The idea of hiding elements is normally to hide them from visual browsers, but still keep them in the document for text browsers and assistive technology. To my knowledge, please correct me if I am wrong, I am keen to learn, all screen readers don't allow for dynamic changes of the document after it was loaded, which would render any show/hide solution useless for these visitors. In any case, dynamically shown and hidden elements have their place, but we should always be aware that they do come with a lot of issues: http://www.icant.co.uk/forreview/dynamicelements/ From lists at onlinetools.org Fri Feb 4 16:00:23 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:00:23 +0000 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D102@smtmb.tmc.local> References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D102@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <4203F077.9010009@onlinetools.org> Rob Smith wrote: >"Yes, those are good choices" > >Personally, I haven't bought a book in a really really long time. Most >everything I need is on the big WWW with a little help from Google. > >Rob > > I ride the tube to work every morning for 40 minutes one way, and learnt a lot in that otherwise wasted time through ink on dead tree technology. Also, reading on a screen for too long tires your eyes so much faster than passive in a book. Another thing is that books tend to have tested and proven solutions, well, good ones that is, whereas a lot of web publications are a lot faster and up to date, but also very misleading or just plain wrong, when there was no editor involved. Many a time I was shocked to see what some publishers made from my original text after rewording it to fit the mood of the webzine :-) From jacadams2 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 16:19:35 2005 From: jacadams2 at yahoo.com (Jackie Adams) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:19:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] converting Quark file for web? Message-ID: <20050204221935.36939.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Hi. The graphics dept. at my company created a 20-page printed document which was set up in Quark. This document included dozens of charts. Now the business owner wants to add this material to our corporate website. The designer sliced each image from Quark, and saved as a Photoshop file. The type in these files is much smaller than the print version, and is not readable when saved as a gif. Help! Is there a way to save Quark files in a usuable format for the web????? Thanks, Jackie From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 16:40:43 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:40:43 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: <4203c739.63fbe522.7857.ffff9177SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <4203BE49.3030603@weeb.biz> <4203c739.63fbe522.7857.ffff9177SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: Joshua, On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:57:49 -0500, Joshua Olson wrote: > I'm halfway surprised that the w3 spec didn't account for adding ways to add > meta-information to binary information (downloads, images, sounds, etc) as > they were sent to the browser. While it is possible to send meta > information via cookies, it doesn't seem to be available in the calling > document in all cases (at least not in IE, which is still, believe it or > not, the most prolific browser available). Have you tried something like this: img.src = "/foo/bar.jpg"; setTimeout("alert(document.cookie);", 5000); to test whether the cookie is added to document.cookie after the image is loaded? I know you said that the img.onload seems to work in IE/Moz, but if it's non-spec, I guess I would check and make sure it's not just half-implemented. > Wait a sec... I just had a ridiculous thought... what if, on the server, I > packaged the jpeg into a JS variable, assigned the meta data to js > variables, and then returned the information using the RPC technique posted > the other day by Keith Gaughan. Is there a way to "draw" an image from JS > data if it's encoded the right way? Yes. where imagedata is a javasript variable that holds the image data. Whether this is a good idea is left as an exercise for the reader. However, it does look like it would solve your problem if you did a XMLHttpRequest() for something like: ... Joe Blow .... You might have to do some fancy character-to-binary conversion with the contents of , because it will probably be interpreted as text. AFAIK, though, IE doesn't like any image format in this form but XBM. -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From fuzzylizard at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 16:42:28 2005 From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:42:28 -0500 Subject: [thelist] converting Quark file for web? In-Reply-To: <20050204221935.36939.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050204221935.36939.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:19:35 -0800 (PST), Jackie Adams wrote: > Hi. The graphics dept. at my company created a > 20-page printed document which was set up in Quark. > This document included dozens of charts. > > Now the business owner wants to add this material to > our corporate website. The designer sliced each image > from Quark, and saved as a Photoshop file. The type > in these files is much smaller than the print version, > and is not readable when saved as a gif. > > Help! Is there a way to save Quark files in a usuable > format for the web????? > Since it is a 20 page report that no one is going to want to read online, I think saving it out to a pdf file and putting that on the web would work nicely. -- chris johnston www.fuzzylizard.com "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we learned to talk." Pink Floyd From ox4dboy at comcast.net Fri Feb 4 16:43:07 2005 From: ox4dboy at comcast.net (Jono) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:43:07 -0500 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23A8A17A-76FE-11D9-8F63-000A95A59E8A@comcast.net> While "Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook" is currently my favorite, it is only b/c I read the other books first. With out O' Reilly's book, and Eric Meyer's books, I would not have understood much of "Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook" Below are more --> comments. On Feb 4, 2005, at 3:34 PM, TjL wrote: > > Have about $100 to spend m/l.... what would you suggest? > > Here's what I came up with: > > Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook (Pioneering > Series) - Dan Cederholm --> This has been my favorite book thus far, even more than Zeldman's Designing with Web Standards. I don't go anywhere with out both... that is until I can memorize all the good stuff. > > Defensive Design for the Web : How to improve error messages, help, > forms, and other crisis points (Voices That Matter) - 37signals; --> This one was suggested to me by someone I work with, but it is not as vital at your stage, IMO. > > PHP and MySQL Web Development (3rd Edition) (Developer's Library) - > Luke Welling; [I have an old one of these... I know just enough > PHP/MySQL to be dangerous] ---> I am a PHP newbie, and I heard this was THE book to have, so I picked it up as a Christmas gift. So far, I am entirely confused, but I haven't had enough time to really sit down with this book. > > More Eric Meyer on CSS (Voices That Matter) [I'm fairly comfortable > with CSS, don't know if I need this one] --> Both Eric Meyer on Css and More Eric Meyer on CSS are excellent, I read the first one, and then liked it so much, I had to get the second one. I also read O' Reilly's Definitive Guide, but only about 2/3 of the book can be applied due to IE/Win's ( the majority browser ) lack of support for most of the later 1/3 of that book. Still a very good book. I read them in the following order, in a 4 month span: 1. O' Reilly's Definitive Guide to CSS 2. Eric Meyer on CSS 3. Zelman's Designing with Web Standards 4. More Eric Meyer on CSS 5. Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook 6. still working on PHP and MySQL Web Development (3rd Edition)i From lists at neptunewebworks.com Fri Feb 4 16:47:52 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:47:52 -0800 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4203FB98.70706@neptunewebworks.com> TjL wrote: > Getting back into web design, have a paying gig or two. Looking for > some current favorites when it comes to books I ought to read. In addition to the fine suggestions that have been noted already, one that has not been mentioned is Eric Meyer on CSS. Zeldman got me hyped about CSS, Meyer got me going in a real way. The "More Eric Meyer" is good too, though not superb like the first one. If you're in PHPland, you might also check out The PHP Anthology by Harry Fuecks (2 volumes, sitepoint.com). -- Maximillian Von Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From freebsdlists at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 17:19:15 2005 From: freebsdlists at gmail.com (TjL) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:19:15 -0500 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <4203FB98.70706@neptunewebworks.com> References: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> <4203FB98.70706@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <1f70241f05020415195aee7ca0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:47:52 -0800, Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > TjL wrote: > > Getting back into web design, have a paying gig or two. Looking for > > some current favorites when it comes to books I ought to read. > > In addition to the fine suggestions that have been noted already, one > that has not been mentioned is Eric Meyer on CSS. Zeldman got me hyped > about CSS, Meyer got me going in a real way. The "More Eric Meyer" is > good too, though not superb like the first one. I feel confident enough in my CSS that although "More EM" is still in my Amazon cart, it's the one that's hanging on my a thread.... Zeldman.... well, it seems he's writing for someone who needs to be convinced, and that's not me. (I wish there were a sample chapter of "More EM" somewhere :-/ > If you're in PHPland, you might also check out The PHP Anthology by Harry Fuecks (2 volumes, sitepoint.com). Thanks for the recommendation.... That looks overkill for my needs, but if I were going to do more serious PHP it looks right on track. current shopping cart: Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook (Pioneering Series) - Dan Cederholm; Building Accessible Websites (With CD-ROM) - Joe Clark Beginning PHP 5 and MySQL: From Novice to Professional - W. J. Gilmore (I wasn't thrilled with the Welling/Thompson book, so this looks good) More Eric Meyer on CSS (Voices That Matter) - Eric A. Meyer Cart stands at $107 which is $7 over my imaginary budget. Not a huge deal, but I've still got a nagging feeling that the CSS book isn't going to be something I use (although I'm in favor of sending money Eric's way in principal ;-) I'll give it the weekend to look around and see what else I might find/what others might suggest. From dwain at alforddesigngroup.com Fri Feb 4 21:23:12 2005 From: dwain at alforddesigngroup.com (dwain) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:23:12 -0600 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <1f70241f05020415195aee7ca0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> <4203FB98.70706@neptunewebworks.com> <1f70241f05020415195aee7ca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42043C20.5050109@alforddesigngroup.com> TjL wrote: > >Not a huge deal, but I've still got a nagging feeling that the CSS book isn't >going to be something I use (although I'm in favor of sending money >Eric's way in principal ;-) > > more eric meyer on css was my first book and tutor. i still refer to it to find tidbits i need. the zen garden chapter really opened some doors for me. this thread has helped me tremendously. i'm in the market for some additional reference books also. thanks for the info and tips. klaus From joshua at waetech.com Fri Feb 4 21:26:52 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:26:52 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Warden > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:41 PM > > Is there a way to "draw" an image from JS > data if it's encoded the right way? > > Yes. > > > > where imagedata is a javasript variable that holds the image data. Matt, Groovy idea! Seems to work great in Mozilla/FireFox: http://concepts.waetech.com/js_image/ > AFAIK, though, IE doesn't like any image format in this form but XBM. Yep, seems you are correct. What a bummer. <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua Olson Web Application Engineer WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/ 706.210.0168 From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Feb 4 21:28:14 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:28:14 +1100 Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files? Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF157@kjserver1.kjhome.local> I think there are a number of issues here. Not only do you need a technology that will allow the user to save/archive all mail, but something that allows searching, deleted item "undeleting" and something that can tell you *if* something got deleted, and who did it. There's not much point having a rule that says "due to legal requirements, all mail must be saved", if there's nothing to stop (or detect) someone actually deleting an incriminating email. At the very least you'd need some kind of centralised mail storage system (Lotus Notes, Microsoft Exchange, Novell Groupwise, or one of the other ones), and then you need to implement appropriate technology so that you have some kind of archive retention, deletion auditing etc. You probably also want some kind of policy that allows for deletion of spam, virus emails etc as well (perhaps by permitted admins, or by AV software etc). Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Steven Streight : Sent: Saturday, 5 February 2005 6:09 AM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files? : : Correction: I slipped on the keyboard. : : Sentence should read: "Legal team demands client SAVE : all email messages...(etc.)" : : And client cannot search network email files to find : specific email message, alllegedly due to long strings : of code attached to each message. : : Solution? : : ===== : Steven Streight From dianesoini at earthlink.net Fri Feb 4 21:40:29 2005 From: dianesoini at earthlink.net (Diane Soini) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:40:29 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Loading multiple xml files with javascript? Message-ID: Hi, I've asked this before but have had no luck finding an answer, so sorry for the repeat. I am having trouble loading multiple xml files. It's easy to load just one, but I want to pass in an array, load them all and read all the nodes into an array. Basically like this: load file1.xml, put it's 10 nodes into array. Array length now 10. load file2.xml, put it's 40 nodes into array. Array length now 50. and so on... I have an html page with an onload event handler: onload="initialize(['file1.xml','file2.xml',etc...]); initialize has a for loop that loops through each xml file and calls the standard xml loading script you see everywhere on the web. After the xml file loads, the xmldoc is passed to a function that loops through the nodes and extracts what I need, putting them into the array. Unless I put in a bunch of javascript alerts to slow the process down, the initialize function loops through before anything gets loaded. I've tried setting timeouts and all sorts of things to no avail. Has anybody got any experience with loading more than one XML file with javascript? Basically, I have a whole bunch of xml files I use as databases, each one representing a year or a category of data. I want to make a little javascript search page to search all these files. I'm not too swift with xslt, so please don't say use that instead. I did manage to format the xml with xslt into a nice table, but I want to search more than one file at a time, so I don't think xslt is going to work. Thanks, Diane From evoltlist at delime.com Fri Feb 4 21:55:50 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:55:50 -0400 Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files? In-Reply-To: <20050204190448.80322.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050204235100.01c8a588@mx.delime.com> Message from Steven Streight (2/4/2005 03:04 PM) >Help me please someone. > >A client has a usability problem that I'm not informed >about. > >The client's legal team demands that they *all* >emails, even those stupid frivolous joke and comical >image emails employees forward all over the office. > >Every single email that passes through client network. Technical implementations aside, - does that include email sent/received by employees using their own yahoo/hotmail/gmail/assorted other email accounts at work? - will employees be notified that the company will be doing this? the company may be legally required to notify their employees of such activity. regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 23:13:56 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:13:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files Message-ID: <20050205051357.39849.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com> Marc and Ken: I think the client wants a proxy email server, to route messages through, like a parallel client, a bundle of applications, with full indexing and contextualization of messages, both incoming and outgoing. Plus ability to search both subject/from headers and actual message content keywords, attachments, and any link URLs in the messages. The ability attach a new URL to each search results list, for fast future reference, and produce a separate directory of keyword hits. The network firewall system will hopefully provide security, so it's probably not necessary to include virus detection in the bundle. I can see now that the employees probably need to be trained in micro-content composition, i.e., the writing of proper, easily searchable subject lines on outgoing email. Subject lines like "RE: last Tuesday meeting", "RE: new procedures", "RE: those stats you requested", "RE: price update" must be discouraged, to be replaced with "RE: Buick sales meeting 4-23-05", "RE: dealer referral code procedures for 2005", "RE: Fall 2004 d.mail promo stats", and "RE: Korg model 334G price update 2005" The legal department requirements? All I was told was that all branches of the company now must save all emails, for some legal reason, I'm not privy at this time to any further information. Yes, Marc, all employees have been informed of the new procedure. But I hope they clamp down on the frivolous joke email and chain letter garbage that the less bright among them circulate with glee and superstitious expectations. :^) ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 23:43:10 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:43:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: suggested books Message-ID: <20050205054310.40593.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> Take my recommendations with the understanding that I'm a web usability analyst and content writer who is trying to gain a basic understanding of web building. I like: * WEB DESIGN: THE COMPLETE REFERENCE by Thomas Powell (Osborne/McGraw-Hill) * WEBMASTER IN A NUTSHELL by Stephen Spainhour & Robert Eckstein (O'Reilly) * HOMEPAGE USABILITY by Jakob Nielsen & Marie Tahir (New Riders) I have WEB STYLE GUIDE by Patrick Lynch and Sarah Horton (Yale University Press) but it is so elementary, like some intro to those who know nothing at all, yet some may consider it a nice introduction. And I'll just throw this out and see if anyone has any thoughts on it. It's not web design, it's about online communities, ecommerce, dynamics of increasing returns, etc.: NET GAIN: Expanding Markets Through Virtual Communities by John Hagel III & Arthur Armstrong (Harvard Business School Press) ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Sat Feb 5 01:04:00 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:04:00 +1100 Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF159@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Well, I think this is starting to go rapidly off-topic, but since we're not challenging the prevailing orthodoxy regarding the uselessness of Microsoft Windows, it seems that the thread will continue :-) (that's sarcasm, just in case anyone reading is unsure). Why implement such a "proxy" system, and why the need to get people to change their writing habits. Personally, I think that's a waste of time and effort. There are products out there that will do all the stuff you want - do you think that there aren't already a few hundred thousand businesses that aren't in the same boat? Without knowing specifics of your requirements and current setup, my suggestion would be to look at any of the enterprise collaboration apps - Notes, Exchange or Groupwise. Most of the clients have full-text searching capabilities, either built-in or as add-ons. You'll get better security, better reliability (assuming you have the necessary product management expertise) and a whole host of additional functionality (giving you good ROI) Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : Behalf Of Steven Streight : Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files : : Marc and Ken: : : I think the client wants a proxy email server, to : route messages through, like a parallel client, a : bundle of applications, with full indexing and : contextualization of messages, both incoming and : outgoing. : : Plus ability to search both subject/from headers and : actual message content keywords, attachments, and any : link URLs in the messages. : : The ability attach a new URL to each search results : list, for fast future reference, and produce a : separate directory of keyword hits. : : The network firewall system will hopefully provide : security, so it's probably not necessary to include : virus detection in the bundle. : : I can see now that the employees probably need to be : trained in micro-content composition, i.e., the : writing of proper, easily searchable subject lines on : outgoing email. : : Subject lines like "RE: last Tuesday meeting", "RE: : new procedures", "RE: those stats you requested", "RE: : price update" must be discouraged, to be replaced with : "RE: Buick sales meeting 4-23-05", "RE: dealer : referral code procedures for 2005", "RE: Fall 2004 : d.mail promo stats", and "RE: Korg model 334G price : update 2005" : : The legal department requirements? : : All I was told was that all branches of the company : now must save all emails, for some legal reason, I'm : not privy at this time to any further information. : : Yes, Marc, all employees have been informed of the new : procedure. : : But I hope they clamp down on the frivolous joke email : and chain letter garbage that the less bright among : them circulate with glee and superstitious : expectations. From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Sat Feb 5 04:13:42 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:13:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files Message-ID: <20050205101342.12162.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com> Ken: Thanks for the info. Will look into those apps you mentioned. This is not my field of expertise, so I'm sort of groping around with this. My client's IT guy was complaining that it will be impossible to actually retrieve any specific email if legal department requests it. So I became alarmed, and thought it was a combo usability/programming type problem, and I wanted to do whatever I could to help find a solution. As far as swerving OT, I don't see it quite that way. I figure you mean the discussion of composing email Subject lines in a more precise manner. This ties in with the need to search network email messages. And, if I didn't state it earlier, it seems that even the frivolous joke FWD emails are included. I have no idea what the legal department is after, nor do I need to know. I don't mean to be hardnosed about micro-content, but when people used to write memos and CC them around the office, there was sloppy memo "RE:" writing and proper memo "RE:" writing. I'm primarily a writer by profession, a usability something or other by extension, yet writing Subject lines and discussion list thread titles is rather tricky for me at times. Most web designers seem to be very good at it. ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From evolt at brasscannon.net Sat Feb 5 07:06:54 2005 From: evolt at brasscannon.net (Kevin Martin) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:06:54 -0500 Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files In-Reply-To: <20050205120223.3279F1AB2C@brasscannon.net> References: <20050205120223.3279F1AB2C@brasscannon.net> Message-ID: <20050205130654.GA12352@brasscannon.net> Quoth Ken Schaefer, > Well, I think this is starting to go rapidly off-topic, but since we're > not challenging the prevailing orthodoxy regarding the uselessness of > Microsoft Windows, it seems that the thread will continue :-) (that's > sarcasm, just in case anyone reading is unsure). See .signature. :) > Why implement such a "proxy" system, and why the need to get people to > change their writing habits. Personally, I think that's a waste of time > and effort. Yeahbut, we haven't hanged all the lawyers yet. I've recently moved into a slot at a medical school which runs a hospital... which means that HIPAA is now a part of my life. The buzz word is "compliance" and Steven has my deepest sympathy. Take a gander at www.opus-i.com (they were in the same building as my previous employer, which is the only reason I'm aware of their existence.) They do this sort of thing for the financial world. The Karbanes Oxley law, whatever that may be. Rather than reinventing the wheel trying to repurpose some mail or groupware package, Steven's corporate legal dept will thank him to go to someone who specializes in this sort of thing. -- "A virus infects Aunt Minnie's Windows PC and turns it into a Spam-Spewing Zombie From Hell!!!" "Oh, the usual." From robertcrawford at peoplepc.com Sat Feb 5 12:43:26 2005 From: robertcrawford at peoplepc.com (Robert Crawford) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:43:26 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Mozilla - Thunderbird - Firefox Tip Message-ID: <420513CE.4090104@peoplepc.com> Mozbackup will backup Mozilla Suite, Thunderbird email profiles and Firefox. Freeware, Win32 only. http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Sat Feb 5 12:57:14 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:57:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files Message-ID: <20050205185714.43823.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com> Ken: thank you for being patient with me as I struggle to understand this situation. As a non-IT person, I rapidly step into quicksand of confusion here. I guess you're right that this topic is not directly related to web dev/des, but I thought you folks could at least give me some guidance, since it is not entirely alien to web dev/des either. Kevin said: "The buzz word is "compliance" and Steven has my deepest sympathy. Take a gander at www.opus-i.com (they were in the same building as my previous employer, which is the only reason I'm aware of their existence.) They do this sort of thing for the financial world. The Karbanes Oxley law, whatever that may be. Rather than reinventing the wheel trying to repurpose some mailor groupware package, Steven's corporate legal dept will thank him to go to someone who specializes in this sort of thing." Thanks Kevin for sympathizing and synthesizing. I'm not directly responsible for fixing this problem, but like I said, it is a somewhat related Network Usability scenario, (whilst I specialize (I hope) in Web Site and Blog Usability. Someday soon, Wiki Usability.) I just felt I should show my concern for my client's welfare, and if by chance I gain some insight I can share, so much the better. Anybody ever heard of, or use, ZOE? Apple web site offers download of it for Mac OSX, and I'm pretty sure it works with other OS. O'Reilly Network (www.oreillynet.com) has an article on "Googling Your Email". ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fuzzylizard at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 14:41:50 2005 From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:41:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Mozilla - Thunderbird - Firefox Tip In-Reply-To: <420513CE.4090104@peoplepc.com> References: <420513CE.4090104@peoplepc.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:43:26 -0600, Robert Crawford wrote: > > > Mozbackup will backup Mozilla Suite, Thunderbird email profiles and > Firefox. Freeware, Win32 only. > http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ > > And it has been discontinued -- chris johnston www.fuzzylizard.com "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we learned to talk." Pink Floyd From denis at cybercodeur.net Sat Feb 5 15:00:50 2005 From: denis at cybercodeur.net (Denis Boudreau) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:00:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Mozilla - Thunderbird - Firefox Tip In-Reply-To: References: <420513CE.4090104@peoplepc.com> Message-ID: <42053402.6090905@cybercodeur.net> Chris Johnston wrote: >>http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ >> >> >And it has been discontinued > > Sounds interesting though. Has anyone ever tried it ? -- Denis Boudreau, assainisseur Web www.cybercodeur.net | www.w3qc.org | www.opquast.com From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Sat Feb 5 16:07:41 2005 From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:07:41 +0000 Subject: [thelist] mysql: datestamp compatibility pre version 4.1 Message-ID: <420543AD.9080702@deltatraffic.co.uk> hi all I have some creates from a mysql database that looks like it was version after 4.1 Im running version Ver 11.18 Distrib 3.23.58; (ignore the ver 11.18 - i think the manual[1] means the distrib part) the manual [1] talks about: CREATE TABLE t (ts TIMESTAMP DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP ON UPDATE CURRENT_TIMESTAMP); which is version 4.1. and the line I have that i need to convert to 3.23 is: `mem_timeout` timestamp NOT NULL default CURRENT_TIMESTAMP on update CURRENT_TIMESTAMP, where a sample data is : 2004-10-28 04:29:17 im fairly sure that this line isnt working because i have an older version mysql. how can I convert the syntax? thanks, Alex [1]http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/timestamp-4-1.html -- Alex Beston Business Director deltaTraffic Tel: 01273 691234 Room 32, Level 6, New England House, Brighton, England www.deltatraffic.co.uk -- From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Sat Feb 5 18:39:30 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:39:30 +1100 Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF15D@kjserver1.kjhome.local> : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Martin : Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files : : > Why implement such a "proxy" system, and why the need to get people to : > change their writing habits. Personally, I think that's a waste of time : > and effort. : : Yeahbut, we haven't hanged all the lawyers yet. I've recently moved : into a slot at a medical school which runs a hospital... which means : that HIPAA is now a part of my life. : : The buzz word is "compliance" and Steven has my deepest sympathy. : Take a gander at www.opus-i.com (they were in the same building : as my previous employer, which is the only reason I'm aware of : their existence.) They do this sort of thing for the financial : world. The Karbanes Oxley law, whatever that may be. : : Rather than reinventing the wheel trying to repurpose some mail : or groupware package, Steven's corporate legal dept will thank : him to go to someone who specializes in this sort of thing. I definitely agree that if there are legal issues, and the firm is not across the board on these issues, they should get someone in who is, even if only to validate a proposed design. That said, we've done plenty of Sarbanes and HIPAA work, and it's not as if Stephen's company is in some kind of unique situation - there are hundreds of thousands of other companies (if not millions) in the same boat. As far as I'm aware, there isn't a need to implement lots of custom apps to get the necessary conformance. Cheers Ken From pandion at gmx.net Sat Feb 5 20:24:01 2005 From: pandion at gmx.net (pandy) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:24:01 +0100 Subject: [thelist] suggested books? In-Reply-To: <1f70241f05020415195aee7ca0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4203FB98.70706@neptunewebworks.com> <1f70241f050204123478ad3fb2@mail.gmail.com> <4203FB98.70706@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20050206032205.098f3ee8@pop.gmx.net> TjL wrote: >(I wish there were a sample chapter of "More EM" somewhere :-/ http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.asp?p=174322 http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.asp?p=328772 pandy From webmaster at cmaza.net Fri Feb 4 21:06:19 2005 From: webmaster at cmaza.net (Caleb Mazalevskis) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:06:19 +0800 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images Message-ID: <4204382B.3020403@cmaza.net> If this helps at all... function createCookie(name,value,days) { if (days) { var date = new Date(); date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000)); var expires="+date.toGMTString(); } else var expires = ""; document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/"; } function readCookie(name) { var nameEQ = name + "="; var ca = document.cookie.split(';'); for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) { var c = ca[i]; while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length); if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length); } return null; } function eraseCookie(name) { createCookie(name,"",-1); } From listclient at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 23:28:10 2005 From: listclient at gmail.com (Louise Blackburn) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:28:10 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: <4204382B.3020403@cmaza.net> References: <4204382B.3020403@cmaza.net> Message-ID: <4e79549a050205212843e10e59@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:06:19 +0800, Caleb Mazalevskis wrote: > If this helps at all... > > function createCookie(name,value,days) > { > if (days) > { > var date = new Date(); > date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000)); > var expires="+date.toGMTString(); > } > else var expires = ""; > document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/"; > } > > function readCookie(name) > { > var nameEQ = name + "="; > var ca = document.cookie.split(';'); > for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) > { > var c = ca[i]; > while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length); > if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length); > } > return null; > } > > function eraseCookie(name) > { > createCookie(name,"",-1); > } > > -- > I don't know if this is what the OP was looking for but you could at least acknowledge the source for the script you posted as Peter-Paul Koch of http://www.quirksmode.org/ L. From rogerharness at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 6 01:26:10 2005 From: rogerharness at sbcglobal.net (Roger H.) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:26:10 -0800 Subject: [thelist] mysql/php: using the sum() function...i think Message-ID: Hello good listers, i have a simple MySql/PHP database script, (with the usual display/add/delete/edit records), that I'm trying to modify. All I'm trying to do now is print a total of some of the columns at the end of my table. I have a basic: $query ="select * from my_table order by $food"; $result =mysql_query($query); then a while loop: $food=$row[0]; $calories=$row[1]; $carbs=$row[2]; etc etc. then print the rows. Now I just want to be able to total up the calories and carbs at the bottom. I can do this at the mysql command line with: select SUM(calories) from my_table; or select SUM(carbs) from my_table; but i can't figure out how to do both, and more importantly, how to utilize this into my php/html. I've been googling, and checking the mysql site, but i'm not bright enough to get this on my own apparently. Anyone have any suggestions or tips? As always, thanks in advance folks. Much appreciated! -Roger Harness -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Sun Feb 6 01:45:44 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:45:44 +1100 Subject: [thelist] mysql/php: using the sum() function...i think In-Reply-To: Message-ID: mysql_result - $query = "SELECT SUM(calories) AS calories FROM my_table"; $result = mysql_query($query); print(mysql_result($result, "calories")); You need the AS ... to make mysql_result cleaner. HTH, Robert > Now I just want to be able to total up the calories and carbs > at the bottom. > > I can do this at the mysql command line with: > select SUM(calories) from my_table; or > select SUM(carbs) from my_table; From mwarden at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 01:57:00 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:57:00 -0500 Subject: [thelist] mysql/php: using the sum() function...i think In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:26:10 -0800, Roger H. wrote: > then a while loop: > > $food=$row[0]; > $calories=$row[1]; > $carbs=$row[2]; > etc etc. > > then print the rows. > > Now I just want to be able to total up the calories and carbs at the bottom. > > I can do this at the mysql command line with: > select SUM(calories) from my_table; or > select SUM(carbs) from my_table; > but i can't figure out how to do both, and more importantly, how to utilize > this into my php/html. If $row[0], $row[1], or $row[2] represent the values that you want to sum, you do not need to query mysql again. Simply do something like this: $caltotal = 0; $carbtotal = 0; // this is the while loop you already have while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($result)) { // .. your current code $carbtotal += $row[0]; // assuming 0 is carbs $caltotal += $row[1]; //assuming 1 is cals } // end while echo "
total carbs: $carbtotal
total cals: $caltotal"; If carbs and cals are not in your row, you will need to use a solution like the one Mr. Gormley offered. hth, -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From thelist at meidomus.com Sun Feb 6 02:05:43 2005 From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:05:43 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Tomcat Help: resource.cgn file? Message-ID: Hello Everyone: I'm trying to setup Tomcat for a client who has an application that requires a custom SSL certificate. I have installed the certificate successfully, installed a test SSL certificate from Thawte successfully, and verified connectivity to the payment gateway's servers. However, the JSP script still refuses to connect. After a long email discussion with both the developer (at the gateway provider) and my client, I got the following email message today: "Can you replace the "resource.cgn" file for 443 with the "resource.cgn" file for 80 (normal HTTP connection)? Restart and try to order on your site. Please let me know of the results. Thanks." I've been googling for an hour but can't seem to find what this file is, and how I'm supposed to integrate it into Tomcat. When the application was initially installed, this file was simply added under the webapps/ directory for the application (in this case ROOT), but I'm not sure how I can setup as the email states. Can anyone help? Tomcat is 5.0.27 running on Linux Regards, Burhan When assigning tasks for a project to multiple people, make sure you clearly define what kind of reports are required when you (as a project manager) ask for updates. This will help the other project members to know exactly what there are responsible for, and will make it easier to track the project's progress. Sometimes, people will give you reports such as "task done", "update applied", etc. which really aren't helpful. Having a format for reports and defining exactly what is required avoids these hassles. From evolt at mpember.net.au Sun Feb 6 06:44:47 2005 From: evolt at mpember.net.au (Michael Pemberton) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:44:47 +1100 Subject: TIP: Portable Firefox / Thunderbird (was Re: [thelist] Mozilla - Thunderbird - Firefox Tip) In-Reply-To: <420513CE.4090104@peoplepc.com> References: <420513CE.4090104@peoplepc.com> Message-ID: <4206113F.4070306@mpember.net.au> Robert Crawford wrote: > > Mozbackup will backup Mozilla Suite, Thunderbird email profiles and > Firefox. Freeware, Win32 only. > http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ > Along the same lines.... One of the main aspects that stop you from moving Firefox and Thunderbird profiles around is the method in which they are saved to the local profile. This means it is a pain to try and keep them in a place that can be made available when you're on the go. This problem has now been overcome. http://portablethunderbird.mozdev.org/ http://portablefirefox.mozdev.org/ A guy by the name of John T. Haller has put together a version of the two main Mozilla apps with a few tweaks. The key being that it is now possible to put all your settings in a spot that *you* decide. This means that you can keep them on a USB thumb drive and carry your inbox, and your settings, with you. As a side note, I have recently been able to add these apps to a WinPE boot cd and can carry a Windows install with Firefox and Thunderbird for testing out bits and pieces without the need to install anything on their PC. -- Michael Pemberton evolt at mpember.net.au From hassan at webtuitive.com Sun Feb 6 09:35:04 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:35:04 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Tomcat Help: resource.cgn file? In-Reply-To: <200502060814.j168EVRk023351@server1.webtuitive.com> References: <200502060814.j168EVRk023351@server1.webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <42063928.7040807@webtuitive.com> Burhan Khalid wrote: > I'm trying to setup Tomcat for a client who has an application that > requires a custom SSL certificate. I have installed the certificate > successfully, installed a test SSL certificate from Thawte successfully, and > verified connectivity to the payment gateway's servers. > > However, the JSP script still refuses to connect. "refuses to connect" -- is there an exception being thrown? Is there anything in any of the logs (catalina.out, or...)? Have you added any debug statements and try/catch blocks to the JSP? Do you have Ethereal or comparable running to watch the traffic? > After a long email > discussion with both the developer (at the gateway provider) and my client, > I got the following email message today: > > "Can you replace the "resource.cgn" file for 443 with the "resource.cgn" > file for 80 (normal HTTP connection)? Restart and try to order on your site. > Please let me know of the results. Thanks." > > I've been googling for an hour but can't seem to find what this file is, > and how I'm supposed to integrate it into Tomcat. When the application was > initially installed, this file was simply added under the webapps/ directory > for the application (in this case ROOT), but I'm not sure how I can setup as > the email states. Can anyone help? Sorry, are you saying you can find this file, but don't know what to do with it? Or you can't find it? A few more specifics would help... :-) -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From spambait at onpointsolutions.com Sun Feb 6 10:04:16 2005 From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:04:16 -0800 Subject: [thelist] OT: Online Backup Solutions? Message-ID: <005001c50c65$82b90180$0300a8c0@Laptop> I have a client for whom I provide IT support. She needs a backup solution that involves minimal, ideally no, input from her. Backing up to CD's is too complicated for her even with the use of automated, scheduled tasks in Win2K Professional. So...I'm looking at an online backup solution, where we designate what to backup and when and have the backup/upload occur automatically to the remote server at a scheduled time. The idea is that I set this up for her and she never thinks about it. (Obviously, she'll need help if she ever needs to restore). There are number of solutions and services out there for this, but I'm looking at recommendations. She's mentioned Dell's service for $1800/yr, though that is probably over her budget for this sort of thing. Thanks in advance. Here's an easy way to make a printer friendly version of a page using ColdFusion. CONTENT GOES IN HERE

Printer Friendly Version. -- Then on printfriendly.cfm #SavedContent # -- NOTE: anything between on the first page will be suppressed so after saving it, you'll want to then immediately output it. ------------- Regards, Bob Haroche O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s www.OnPointSolutions.com From robertcrawford at peoplepc.com Sun Feb 6 10:32:54 2005 From: robertcrawford at peoplepc.com (Robert Crawford) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:32:54 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Mozilla - Thunderbird - Firefox Tip In-Reply-To: <42053402.6090905@cybercodeur.net> References: <420513CE.4090104@peoplepc.com> <42053402.6090905@cybercodeur.net> Message-ID: <420646B6.8050200@peoplepc.com> Denis Boudreau said the following on 2/5/2005 3:00 PM: >Chris Johnston wrote: > >>>http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ >>> >>> >>And it has been discontinued >> >> >Sounds interesting though. Has anyone ever tried it ? > > > Yes, I have been using this backup application for about two months, works great. I'm sorry he has stopped supporting it. Saves file as zip with .pcv extension. Robert From rogerharness at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 6 13:07:02 2005 From: rogerharness at sbcglobal.net (Roger H.) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:07:02 -0800 Subject: [thelist] RE: mysql/php: using the sum() function...i think Message-ID: Thanks to Robert and Matt for their help...got it working! This list rocks. -Roger Harness -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 From lists at neptunewebworks.com Sun Feb 6 13:53:19 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:53:19 -0800 Subject: [thelist] OT: Online Backup Solutions? In-Reply-To: <005001c50c65$82b90180$0300a8c0@Laptop> References: <005001c50c65$82b90180$0300a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: <420675AF.7090806@neptunewebworks.com> Bob Haroche wrote: > So...I'm looking at an online backup solution, where we > designate what to backup and when and have the backup/upload occur > automatically to the remote server at a scheduled time. The idea is that I > set this up for her and she never thinks about it. (Obviously, she'll need > help if she ever needs to restore). If you want to minimize cost, WebDrive[0] + a basic hosting account + MS Robocopy[1] (or other backup app) could work. WebDrive is an inexpensive app ($50; Win only) to allow easy mapping of an S/FTP server as a local drive. Obviously, she'd need a web host account somewhere to put the backup data. MS Robocopy is a command-line app to copy files. You can create a batch file with the directories to copy, and set it to run nightly. I use it (with just an external HD, not webdrive) mostly in "mirror" mode, so that my backup directories exactly reflect my source dirs. The options are fairly flexible, it's quite simple to implement. The only downside to this setup is that your client would need to come to you to change the setup. You might just use a more advanced backup solution, using WebDrive as the mechanism to allow uploads. Last thing though - why not just an external harddrive and use something Norton Ghost? I picked up an 80GB one for about $100 [3], but larger drives are not terribly expensive. [0] http://webdrive.com/ [1] http://url123.com/cn6b4 [3] http://url123.com/cu2hd One of the more compelling reasons to use Smarty is its very flexible caching mechanism. You can not only set a cache lifetime when invoking a Smarty template object, but you can do so on a per-template basis. If you have for example, a masthead that rarely changes, you can set its cache quite long (hours), while not caching the content of the page. Many sites/web apps have options (presentational and/or functional) that change per user, often according to their profile record. Caching can be used per-user by using Smarty's Cache Grouping feature[0] and a user session_id (either a PHP session_id or some other user id). To do this: When the user logs in, record their session_id to the database, e.g. in a user_sessions table; or you might even set your DB as the actual session_handler.[1] [code] $tpl =& new Smarty; $tpl->caching = true; $tpl->cache_lifetime = 3600; // 1 hour $navigation = $tpl->fetch('navigation.tpl',"user|".session_id()."|nav"); [/code] When your user changes their preferences, be sure to clear the cache for their session: [code] $user->save_new_preferences(); $tpl->clear_cache(null,"user|".session_id()); [/code] This is esp useful for elements which only change according to user preferences, but can also be used to speed up things like search results by caching the results page. [0] http://smarty.php.net/manual/en/caching.groups.php [1] http://us4.php.net/manual/en/function.session-set-save-handler.php -- Maximillian Von Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Sun Feb 6 15:13:11 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:13:11 +1100 Subject: [thelist] OT: Online Backup Solutions? Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF169@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Does the solution need to be "online"? (Since that may limit the amount that can be saved by the speed of her connection). Why not buy one of those external hard disks (eg One-Touch from Maxtor). >From what I've seen they come with simple backup apps in which you choose what to backup, and the user merely needs to press the button on the external drive (hence One Touch) to perform a backup. Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Bob Haroche : Subject: [thelist] OT: Online Backup Solutions? : : I have a client for whom I provide IT support. She needs a backup solution : that involves minimal, ideally no, input from her. Backing up to CD's is : too complicated for her even with the use of automated, scheduled tasks in : Win2K Professional. So...I'm looking at an online backup solution, where : we : designate what to backup and when and have the backup/upload occur : automatically to the remote server at a scheduled time. The idea is that I : set this up for her and she never thinks about it. (Obviously, she'll need : help if she ever needs to restore). : : There are number of solutions and services out there for this, but I'm : looking at recommendations. She's mentioned Dell's service for $1800/yr, : though that is probably over her budget for this sort of thing. : : Thanks in advance. From spambait at onpointsolutions.com Sun Feb 6 16:12:46 2005 From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:12:46 -0800 Subject: [thelist] OT: Online Backup Solutions? References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF169@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <002c01c50c98$fd863300$9865fea9@OnPoint.local> Thanks for the suggestions. The problem with removable media or a removable hard drive (her husband in fact bought two for this very purpose) is that she doesn't want to have to remove those items from her office to an off-site location. (I know, I know). She has around 700 MB of data (compressed) to backup. I'm hoping that with incremental backups, an online backup solution will be relatively painless if done in the middle of the night over broadband connection. Ken Schaefer wrote: > Does the solution need to be "online"? (Since that may limit the > amount that can be saved by the speed of her connection). > > Why not buy one of those external hard disks (eg One-Touch from ------------- Regards, Bob Haroche O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s www.OnPointSolutions.com From evolt at mpember.net.au Sun Feb 6 17:33:46 2005 From: evolt at mpember.net.au (Michael Pemberton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:33:46 +1100 Subject: TIP: Portable Firefox / Thunderbird (was Re: [thelist] Mozilla - Thunderbird - Firefox Tip) In-Reply-To: <420513CE.4090104@peoplepc.com> References: <420513CE.4090104@peoplepc.com> Message-ID: <4206A95A.9090508@mpember.net.au> Robert Crawford wrote: > > Mozbackup will backup Mozilla Suite, Thunderbird email profiles and > Firefox. Freeware, Win32 only. > http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ > Along the same lines.... One of the main aspects that stop you from moving Firefox and Thunderbird profiles around is the method in which they are saved to the local profile. This means it is a pain to try and keep them in a place that can be made available when you're on the go. This problem has now been overcome. http://portablethunderbird.mozdev.org/ http://portablefirefox.mozdev.org/ A guy by the name of John T. Haller has put together a version of the two main Mozilla apps with a few tweaks. The key being that it is now possible to put all your settings in a spot that *you* decide. This means that you can keep them on a USB thumb drive and carry your inbox, and your settings, with you. As a side note, I have recently been able to add these apps to a WinPE boot cd and can carry a Windows install with Firefox and Thunderbird for testing out bits and pieces without the need to install anything on their PC. -- Michael Pemberton evolt at mpember.net.au From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Sun Feb 6 12:51:29 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:51:29 -0000 Subject: [thelist] DHTML - div display. Message-ID: Hi all, Interesting question... I have a page where there are several suppliers listed. Some of these might have multiple branches, which can be displayed if the user clicks a "Show all branches..." link. This should set the appropriate div to be visible, via "display: block;" - this in itself is fine. What I need, though, is to be able to set all other client branch blocks to be hidden... ie so you can only expand one element at a time. And this needs to be dynamic. ;) What I have is this, in structure:

blah
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What would be a solution that would work... ideally with the ability to take an argument, so i could do onclick='expand(this)' (actually, the this comes to mind now, so that might not be necessary)... and that sets the appropriate div id to display, and walks all the other .clientExpanded#s to set them display none? Oh, the joy, Monday morning. Robert ________________________________________________ This mail was sent by UebiMiau 2.5 From harvester at lists.evolt.org Sun Feb 6 18:00:29 2005 From: harvester at lists.evolt.org (harvester at lists.evolt.org) Date: 7 Feb 2005 00:00:29 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Jan 31, 2005 Message-ID: <20050207000029.26915.qmail@acornparenting.org> The tip harvest for the Week of Monday Jan 31, 2005 has been added to the lists.evolt.org site. Get it at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/show.cgi?w=20050131 Week at a glance listing at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/week.cgi?w=20050131 Harvest Summary --------------- Number of messages: 377 Number of tips : 25 Tip Authors ----------- Ben (1) Bob Haroche (1) Burhan Khalid (1) Chris Hayes (2) Jason Handby (1) Jay Blanchard (3) Juha Suni (2) kasimir-k (1) Keith Gaughan (1) M. Seyon (1) Matt Warden (1) Max Schwanekamp (1) Michael Pemberton (2) Robert Crawford (1) Russ Unger (1) Shawn K. Quinn (1) Simon Perry (1) Steven Streight (2) Tip Types --------- administration (1) Apache 2 on Windows + module links author= (1) comment spam (1) delegating tasks (1) exclusive (1) List Etiquette (1) Mozilla Backup (1) Nested Queries In ColdFusion MX (1) PHP & MySQL (1) PHP, flushing buffer, progress bar (1) Portable Mozilla apps (2) Posting (1) RE: Don't lock yourself out... precaution! (1) recovering windows explorer (1) security (1) Smarty PHP Templates - Caching per session (1) SQL (1) streamlined site design (1) text/javascript (1) tracking and billing worked hours (1) usability (2) variable naming conventions (1) video (1) From markgroen at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 19:19:26 2005 From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:19:26 -0800 Subject: [thelist] php/mysql get next two records In-Reply-To: <42063928.7040807@webtuitive.com> References: <200502060814.j168EVRk023351@server1.webtuitive.com> <42063928.7040807@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <23dbfbd105020617197e39d74c@mail.gmail.com> this is probably really simple but... could some enlighten me to getting the next two records (next, after that) following the first one (now playing) to be displayed? $myHour = date("H"); $myDay = date("l"); $nowPlaying = 0; $query = "SELECT id,title,dj,show_day,show_start,show_end FROM schedule "; $query .= "WHERE time_format(show_start,'%H') = '$myHour'"; $mysql_result = mysql_query($query, $mysql_link); if($row = mysql_fetch_row($mysql_result)) { $id = $row[0]; $title = $row[1]; $dj = $row[2]; $show_day = $row[3]; $show_start = $row[4]; $show_end = $row[5]; print("

now playing

"); if($show_day == $myDay) { print(""); $str = ("2005-02-07" . " $show_start"); if (($timestamp = strtotime($str)) === -1) { echo "nothing on right now"; } else { echo date('g:i', $timestamp); } print(" - "); $str2 = ("2005-02-07" . " $show_end"); if (($timestamp = strtotime($str2)) === -1) { echo "nothing on right now"; } else { echo date('g:i', $timestamp); } print("$title"); } $nowPlaying++; if($nowPlaying == 1) {print("

next

"); print("$show_start - $show_end ::
"); print("$title"); } // and then one more listing, //format now playing, next as below //after that //2:00 - 2:10 :: //Legal Alert } txs, slighty addled, Mark From mwarden at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 19:30:30 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:30:30 -0500 Subject: [thelist] DHTML - div display. In-Reply-To: <4206b42f.224f3920.76ef.5498SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <4206b42f.224f3920.76ef.5498SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:51:29 -0000, Gormley wrote: > What I have is this, in structure: > >
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> > What would be a solution that would work... ideally with the ability to take > an argument, so i could do onclick='expand(this)' (actually, the this comes > to mind now, so that might not be necessary)... and that sets the > appropriate div id to display, and walks all the other .clientExpanded#s to > set them display none? var divs = document.getElementByTagName('div'); // using, instead: // document.getElementById('contentContainer').getElementByTagName('div'); // could save you some iterations, if appropriate for (var i=0; i References: <4206b42f.224f3920.76ef.5498SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4206CD28.1010601@pennyonthesidewalk.com> Matt Warden wrote: >// using, instead: >// document.getElementById('contentContainer').getElementByTagName('div'); >// could save you some iterations, if appropriate >for (var i=0; i{ > if (divs[i].className=='clientExpanded') >divs[i].className='clientCollapsed'; >} >this.className='clientExpanded'; > >Make sure you are setting the onclick property appropriately if you >are going to use 'this'. See PPK's excellent explanation here: > >http://www.quirksmode.org/index.html?/js/this.html > >This assumes that the div only can have one class name. You would need >to use indexOf and appropriately replace/append the class name if >there can be more than one. > > Okay, getting there, but first, an apology, and thanks - really appreciate this... I need to properly learn this stuff, just don't have the time before this deadline. :) I had intended to just set display, mainly because there are multiple classes on the container, a la "expandedContainer contactDetails"... Also, the onclick will sit on a div within the container, how would I reference its parent div? Cheers, Rob From mwarden at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 20:16:48 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:16:48 -0500 Subject: [thelist] DHTML - div display. In-Reply-To: <4206CD28.1010601@pennyonthesidewalk.com> References: <4206b42f.224f3920.76ef.5498SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> <4206CD28.1010601@pennyonthesidewalk.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:06:32 +1100, Robert Gormley wrote: > Also, the onclick will sit on a div within the container, how would I > reference its parent div? if 'div' is a reference to the div, you would do: var parentdiv = div.parentNode; assuming the div you want is a direct parent of 'div' -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From scforum at iness.com Sun Feb 6 20:29:10 2005 From: scforum at iness.com (Sam) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:29:10 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Web page that fits entire display Message-ID: <4206D276.2000608@iness.com> I need a cross-browser html layout that will fit a display, keeping the footer at the bottom, no vertical scrolling. Any examples appreciated. Are framesets the only way to get this job done? Sam
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