tag (to change it's > css properties). > First you have to set the event handler in a different way. Why? Because with my method the this keyword works properly (see http://www.quirksmode.org/js/this.html for an explanation) var x = document.getElementsByTagName('a'); for (var i=0;i Is there any way navigate the DOM like this in javascript? And while I'm on > the subject, is there a good book available on the DOM? All I can find are > single chapters in books about javascript etc. As far as I know there's no book that only treats the DOM. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- ppk, freelance web developer Recent article: JavaScript triggers, http://www.alistapart.com/articles/scripttriggers/ Bug Report: Report bugs yourself, or comment on previously reported ones. http://www.quirksmode.org/bugreports/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lists at onlinetools.org Thu Feb 3 13:45:57 2005 From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:45:57 +0000 Subject: [thelist] DOM Help In-Reply-To: References: <59777.80.85.75.20.1107452031.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net> Message-ID: <42027F75.3090805@onlinetools.org> >>>http://mwarden.f2o.org/sandbox/collapsible_elements.htm >>> >>> >>This one assumes that there is only one class in the collapsible element, >>though, and elements can have more than one class. >> >> > >True. I believe it also assumes that there is only one div element in >the containing div (I did not complete nor test the code that would >support more, but the starts of it are there). There are methods (that >I believe even you suggested to me originally) to add a class to a >list of classes for an element, but AFAIK it is not well supported in >browsers. > > > Who told you that? MSIE has some inheritance problems with classes and they need not have any whitespace around them, but otherwise it is a perfectly acceptable solution and widely supported. You shouldn't rely much on styling with it, though. http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html http://dhtmlkitchen.com/learn/css/multiclass/index2.jsp >>Another point to be aware of is that display:block and display:none are >>very easy and understandable, but also hide content from assistive >>technology: >>http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ScreenreaderVisibility >> >> > >What would you suggest otherwise? I checked your code to see what you >were using, but you also use this CSS property. > > That is explained in the article above, the idea is to move the element off the screen via absolute positioning. For my example of clickable headlines I used it out of sheer lazyness, in newer scripts however I tend to move stuff off-left. From joshua at waetech.com Thu Feb 3 13:51:17 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:51:17 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: <420214CF.2060404@si-designs.co.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Perry > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 7:11 AM > > Joshua Olson wrote: > > >Hello listees, > > > >Is there a way to read, through JavaScript, those cookies that may be > >returned with images? > > > If they are cookies returned by the site / server hosting the > page that > your JavaScript is being served from I don't see why not. Normal > JavaScript cookie handling should "just work" (TM). Simon, Care to elaborate? I tested this--hopefully an adequate test--but I didn't see anything helpful when I looked at document.cookie after the image had returned the cookie. <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua Olson Web Application Engineer WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/ 706.210.0168 From evolt at muinar.com Thu Feb 3 14:36:10 2005 From: evolt at muinar.com (Mike) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:36:10 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Researching other markets In-Reply-To: <41FFA6B8.4020201@fayec.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20050203212848.0217c1f0@mail.muinar.com> At 10:56 01.02.2005 -0500, you wrote: >I have been asked to create and maintain a full site with CMS features >and all but the catch is that it is for a company in another country.... >And for those who have been in this situation....what did you do?? Hello I always stick to the same hourly rate. That builds trust over time. How could you offer cheaper than to other customers? You would lose time and money with that job, wouldn't you? _____ mike s. krischker http://webdesign-schweiz.ch/ webpro mailing list http://webdesign-list.com/ flashpro mailing list http://flash-list.com/ From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Thu Feb 3 15:27:39 2005 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (russ at unrealisticexpectations.com) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:27:39 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Sending Var From Popup To Parent Message-ID: <20050203-13273992-918@mail304> I think I may be simply unable to articulate how to do actually search for this, since I'm sure it's a common thing to achieve... Regardless, the situation is this: I have a form with an option to upload a file in 2 places. Select the "upload" button, launch the file upload dialog. Browse to find file. Submit/upload file. Close window. Except, now that it's done, I want to send the resulting filename (using coldfusion #cffile.serverfile#) back to my form and to the appropriate text area. Anyone? Thanks! From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Feb 3 15:47:50 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:47:50 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Sending Var From Popup To Parent Message-ID: <164e5c4e76504fd9b02e1ea752429015@easylistbox.com> ???Pop that filename into a javascript variable, and then say something like this: window.parent.document.form.textBoxName.value = myFileName; From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com I think I may be simply unable to articulate how to do actually search for this, since I'm sure it's a common thing to achieve... Regardless, the situation is this: I have a form with an option to upload a file in 2 places. Select the "upload" button, launch the file upload dialog. Browse to find file. Submit/upload file. Close window. Except, now that it's done, I want to send the resulting filename (using coldfusion #cffile.serverfile#) back to my form and to the appropriate text area. Anyone? Thanks! From richard.bennett at skynet.be Thu Feb 3 16:32:51 2005 From: richard.bennett at skynet.be (Richard Bennett) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:32:51 +0100 Subject: [thelist] wildcards in postfix virtual conf Message-ID: <200502032332.51061.richard.bennett@skynet.be> Hi, I have a postfix mailserver running, and am assigning mail to individual users like this: user1 at host.com user1 blah at host.com user2 @host.com catchall etc. Now I'm wondering if it is possible to use wilcards in the virtual conf file, I'd like to do something like this: GRP(.*)@host.com groupMailbox So any email address starting with 'GRP' would be sent to user groupMailbox. The server is in production, so I don't want to 'just try it'... Thanks for any help. Richard From greg at ultraspace.com Thu Feb 3 16:56:23 2005 From: greg at ultraspace.com (Greg =?iso-8859-1?b?R/NtZXo=?=) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:56:23 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Double-clicking submit button causes FireFox for Mac to hang but only for PHP pages? Message-ID: <1107471383.4202ac1730d7d@ultraspace.com> Hello, everybody: I'm a sometime lurker, first time poster. Just to amplify the subject a bit: I've got a PHP application set up and during testing, one of my testers double-clicked the submit button of a form, just to see what happens. This was on a Mac (OS X.3), FireFox 1.0. FF hung, and never loaded the next page. The data submitted was written to the database, though. Now, when we point FF to any PHP page on the site, FF it hangs. HTML pages load ok. We've been unable to reproduce it on Windows machines. There's no script that enforces only a single click, but there is some onSubmit stuff going on (DreamWeaver validation stuff). I know this is really exotic error, but I'm wondering if anybody has seen this behavior before, and perhaps knows something about it. Thanks! Greg -- Greg G?mez greg at ultraspace.com From timb at timburgan.com Thu Feb 3 19:49:35 2005 From: timb at timburgan.com (Tim Burgan) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:19:35 +1030 Subject: [thelist] Putting an RSS feed into a site Message-ID: <4202D4AF.5050300@timburgan.com> Hello, I have a URL for an RSS feed [1] that my client want's to put on his site. How do I do this? [1] Tim From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Thu Feb 3 20:44:49 2005 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:44:49 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Sending Var From Popup To Parent In-Reply-To: <164e5c4e76504fd9b02e1ea752429015@easylistbox.com> Message-ID: <005a01c50a63$7fba6810$6401a8c0@autolycus> Thanks, Peter... Can you give me a little more information? I'm afraid that javascript just isn't my forte... > ???Pop that filename into a javascript variable, and then say > something like this: > > window.parent.document.form.textBoxName.value = myFileName; Or even a location with a tutorial that I could walk through? Thanks, Russ From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Thu Feb 3 20:37:35 2005 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:37:35 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Putting an RSS feed into a site In-Reply-To: <4202D4AF.5050300@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <005901c50a62$7d04da70$6401a8c0@autolycus> Tim, I had a great reply for you, but I realized you've not told us what technology is in play for you. I can give you something easy for ColdFusion, but if you're not using that, start by doing a Google search on RSS and and insert. Russ > I have a URL for an RSS feed [1] that my client want's to put > on his site. > > How do I do this? > > > [1] > From email at timburgan.com Thu Feb 3 20:48:03 2005 From: email at timburgan.com (Tim Burgan) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:18:03 +1030 Subject: [thelist] Putting an RSS feed into a site In-Reply-To: <005901c50a62$7d04da70$6401a8c0@autolycus> References: <005901c50a62$7d04da70$6401a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <4202E263.2020003@timburgan.com> I'm using PHP on a linux box with Apache. From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Feb 3 20:56:08 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:56:08 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Sending Var From Popup To Parent In-Reply-To: <005a01c50a63$7fba6810$6401a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <003301c50a65$1406c5d0$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> Okay, I'll see what I can do. First of all, this parameter will be coming back in the child (popup) window, so that's where you run this script. You'll need to write out the value into a js variable, like this: I'm not sure how else to explain it, so if you have specific questions/difficulties, let me know and we can work specifically with those. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Russ Thanks, Peter... Can you give me a little more information? I'm afraid that javascript just isn't my forte... > ???Pop that filename into a javascript variable, and then say > something like this: > > window.parent.document.form.textBoxName.value = myFileName; Or even a location with a tutorial that I could walk through? Thanks, Russ From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Thu Feb 3 21:00:54 2005 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:00:54 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Putting an RSS feed into a site In-Reply-To: <4202E263.2020003@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <006301c50a65$c53385f0$6401a8c0@autolycus> Tim, A peer of mine has said that geeklog has a decent RSS setup that you could look into. Sorry I couldn't be of more help... Russ > I'm using PHP on a linux box with Apache. From edc at wnc.quik.co.nz Thu Feb 3 21:18:42 2005 From: edc at wnc.quik.co.nz (michael ensor) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:18:42 +1300 Subject: [thelist] Putting an RSS feed into a site References: <005901c50a62$7d04da70$6401a8c0@autolycus> <4202E263.2020003@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <000f01c50a68$44bf6e40$157fea3c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Burgan" Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Putting an RSS feed into a site : I'm using PHP on a linux box with Apache. >> easy........use the php xml parser. there are heaps of "library' scripts around, I am using a modified one from this site: www.richardjameskendall.com a couple of things to consider: 1. storing feed on local server 2. "refresh" rate for local storage 3. database/flat file hth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/05 From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Thu Feb 3 21:47:06 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:47:06 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Per socket bandwidth throttling Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF150@kjserver1.kjhome.local> : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : Behalf Of Joshua Olson : Subject: RE: [thelist] Per socket bandwidth throttling : : > -----Original Message----- : > From: Ken Schaefer : > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:59 AM : > : > If you have a large enough budget, I believe that you can get : > switches from : > any of the major vendors (Nortel Alteons et al) that will be : > able to do this : > (well, not sure about googlebot user agent string, but you could set : > something up on a IP address/range that googlebot requests : > come from). ISA : > Server may be able to do this as well (I will need to check). : : I somehow knew you'd respond. :-) I appreciate your response. For the : googlebot, I was expecting to need to filter by it's IP Address and not : actually sniff the packet. I'm going to check that lead out. : : One question, though: what's the correct terminology for what I'm trying to : accomplish? : : Thanks for checking out the ISA Server too, as I'm not real familiar with : it. Hi again, ISA Server 2004 doesn't implement this I checked the Nortel Alteon 180e, and this appears to do this. You can configure a minimum guaranteed bandwidth, soft limit, and hard limit. You can then configure these limits by source or destination IP address, physical port, VLAN or server that's being connected to, or even the application that the traffic is going to. The switch appears to be layer 4-7 aware, so it's capable of determining the type of traffic it's looking at (eg HTTP), and even extracting some key information from the packets (eg user-agent strings and so on). You can even control things based on cookies, URLs, or sets of URLs Of course, these types of things are expensive. I now we (my company, rather than me personally) used a few of these boxes (along with SSL accelerators etc) on a recent e-commerce infrastructure project we completed. The overall app supports 800 transactions/sec at peak load, so the network gear was all enterprise level stuff (the 180e can handle up to 512,000 concurrent HTTP connections). You might want to speak to a reseller to get the full picture and make sure it meets your needs (and whether they have any lower specced (and hence cheaper) boxes that might do want you need. Cheers Ken From email at timburgan.com Thu Feb 3 21:56:29 2005 From: email at timburgan.com (Tim Burgan) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:26:29 +1030 Subject: [thelist] Putting an RSS feed into a site In-Reply-To: <000f01c50a68$44bf6e40$157fea3c@oemcomputer> References: <005901c50a62$7d04da70$6401a8c0@autolycus> <4202E263.2020003@timburgan.com> <000f01c50a68$44bf6e40$157fea3c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4202F26D.6030103@timburgan.com> Thanks for your help. I implemented a solution at: http://www.fotopunto.com/zumodered/rsshtmlizer/ (needed to use Google translator to read the page, but I got it working) Thanks. Tim From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 02:24:20 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:24:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: text width layout problem Message-ID: <20050204082420.40998.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> This web site has text that spans too far across the page, since the most comfortable and readable line length is said to be about 4 inches or 24 picas for 12pt Times font (Thomas A. Powell, WEB DESIGN, 2nd edition, p.443). But it also causes the layout to break, so that the text is unreadable toward the end of each line: http://www.edelman.com/insights Can anyone tell me what is the fix for this simple problem of layout? Is it solved by

tags attributes? ie, div style...width: 24pc;"> ??? ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From thelist at si-designs.co.uk Fri Feb 4 06:03:16 2005 From: thelist at si-designs.co.uk (Simon Perry) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:03:16 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42036484.50709@si-designs.co.uk> Joshua Olson wrote: >>>Is there a way to read, through JavaScript, those cookies that may be >>>returned with images? >>> >>> >>> >>If they are cookies returned by the site / server hosting the >>page that >>your JavaScript is being served from I don't see why not. Normal >>JavaScript cookie handling should "just work" (TM). >> >> > >Simon, > >Care to elaborate? I tested this--hopefully an adequate test--but I didn't >see anything helpful when I looked at document.cookie after the image had >returned the cookie. > Joshua, Hard to know what is going wrong for you without example code or better an online test case. I tested the theory on a site I'm working on and it works fine for me. The code is as follows, if you would like a test address then contact me off list as I don't want the test page picked up by search engines. Simon PHP to set cookie and image; Test page; Cookie Test

Cookie Test

Image that sets the cookie

PHP $_COOKIE Array

On first entry to this page this variable is not available to PHP. If you refresh the page you will see that PHP has picked up the cookie too.

JavaScript document.cookie Value

My testing shows that Javascript, unlike PHP, has access to the cookie on first page load. The value of document.cookie should be shown in the text area below.

From webguync at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 07:53:09 2005 From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:53:09 -0500 Subject: [thelist] what would be the best method to accomplish this? Message-ID: <463b785d05020405532e6ea378@mail.gmail.com> I have several pages where I would like to be able to change content on one place and have the changes cascade down to several other pages. The content will probably be in tabular data in the body of the page. I know there are multitple ways of doing this, such as javascript or server side functionality, but I am more familiar with changing visual attributes on multiple pages, not content. -- ::Bruce:: From soundres9 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 08:28:51 2005 From: soundres9 at yahoo.com (klute) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:28:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] webmail client that filters .zip attachments In-Reply-To: <463b785d05020405532e6ea378@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050204142851.71969.qmail@web50110.mail.yahoo.com> Hello All, Is there a webmail client software that lets you: a) search all INBOX messages that contain attachments with .zip extension b) set filters on messages that contain attachments with .zip extension I use Horde currently, which does not seem to have this feature. Thanks a lot James __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From andy at message.uk.com Fri Feb 4 08:43:43 2005 From: andy at message.uk.com (Andy Budd) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:43:43 +0000 Subject: [thelist] HTML tables and Content Management Systems Message-ID: <986bafc74fe5969f42d78f8884094662@message.uk.com> It's not uncommon for website editors to want to create a page containing some kind of data table. These tables are often output from word, or if you're lucky from Dreamweaver and then pasted into the CMS. However the markup is usually pretty rotten and there is little or no control over style. A few CMS's use a wysiwyg system, often handled by applets or JavaScript. While this makes table creation in the CMS easier, it does little for design consistency or ease of use. Alternatively people can use markup systems like textile. However this is simply switching one markup system for another so is also not ideal. The best solution to me seems to give editors the ability to create table "object". You'd specify the number of rows, cols and headings and it would create a new table or text file that you could populate with data. You could even do this automatically via a CSV output. Then you'd give the editors some mechanism of inserting these objects into the page, possibly via some kind of custom tag. The requirement for editors to insert tables into their pages seems like a pretty common one so I wonder how other people have dealt with this and if anybody has managed to come up with an elegant solution. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ From joshua at waetech.com Fri Feb 4 08:46:36 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:46:36 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: <42036484.50709@si-designs.co.uk> Message-ID: Simon, Thank you for you complete example. I owe you an apology because it looks like I wasn't 100% succinct. Clearly, in your example, the cookie that is set by the image is available on subsequent page loads. I can honestly say that I was sure that would work. What I was looking to do was to read the cookie AFTER the image loaded in the page, but without a page refresh. To test, I fired a function to check for cookies within the image's onload handler. Something like this:

In case you are wondering, my goal is to pass some meta information (about 1k worth) about the picture back to the browser for parsing and subsequent display. The picture may be dynamically changed using javascript. I was hoping to avoid spinning off a second call to the server to retrieve this information. I have some other techniques in mind if this cannot work, but I was really hoping there would be a way to make this way work. :-) Sort of an intellectual exercise, as it were. <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua Olson Web Application Engineer WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/ 706.210.0168 From vlad.alexander at xstandard.com Fri Feb 4 09:36:31 2005 From: vlad.alexander at xstandard.com (Vlad Alexander (XStandard)) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:36:31 -0500 Subject: [thelist] HTML tables and Content Management Systems Message-ID: <5fzan62c0rfmg8q.040220051036@pinscher> Hi Andy, Have you seen XStandard? http://xstandard.com Also, check out this article - it has some sound files that demonstrate the correct and incorrect use of data tables. http://xstandard.com/wysiwyg/ Regards, -Vlad XStandard Development Team Standards-compliant XHTML WYSIWYG editor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Budd" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [thelist] HTML tables and Content Management Systems > It's not uncommon for website editors to want to create a page > containing some kind of data table. These tables are often output from > word, or if you're lucky from Dreamweaver and then pasted into the CMS. > However the markup is usually pretty rotten and there is little or no > control over style. > > A few CMS's use a wysiwyg system, often handled by applets or > JavaScript. While this makes table creation in the CMS easier, it does > little for design consistency or ease of use. Alternatively people can > use markup systems like textile. However this is simply switching one > markup system for another so is also not ideal. > > The best solution to me seems to give editors the ability to create > table "object". You'd specify the number of rows, cols and headings and > it would create a new table or text file that you could populate with > data. You could even do this automatically via a CSV output. Then you'd > give the editors some mechanism of inserting these objects into the > page, possibly via some kind of custom tag. > > The requirement for editors to insert tables into their pages seems > like a pretty common one so I wonder how other people have dealt with > this and if anybody has managed to come up with an elegant solution. > > > Andy Budd > > http://www.message.uk.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From evoltlist at delime.com Fri Feb 4 10:00:42 2005 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:00:42 -0400 Subject: [thelist] HTML tables and Content Management Systems In-Reply-To: <986bafc74fe5969f42d78f8884094662@message.uk.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050204115516.01cced60@mx.delime.com> Message from Andy Budd (2/4/2005 10:43 AM) >It's not uncommon for website editors to want to create a page containing >some kind of data table. These tables are often output from word, or if >you're lucky from Dreamweaver and then pasted into the CMS. However the >markup is usually pretty rotten and there is little or no control over style. > >A few CMS's use a wysiwyg system, often handled by applets or JavaScript. >While this makes table creation in the CMS easier, it does little for >design consistency or ease of use. Alternatively people can use markup >systems like textile. However this is simply switching one markup system >for another so is also not ideal. > >The best solution to me seems to give editors the ability to create table >"object". You'd specify the number of rows, cols and headings and it would >create a new table or text file that you could populate with data. You >could even do this automatically via a CSV output. Then you'd give the >editors some mechanism of inserting these objects into the page, possibly >via some kind of custom tag. > >The requirement for editors to insert tables into their pages seems like a >pretty common one so I wonder how other people have dealt with this and if >anybody has managed to come up with an elegant solution. I think this is an interesting question Andy, one that will surely generate varied responses. On the developer's end, I think style-wise, there should be several preset templates to choose from, as I'm sure you wouldn't want every single table on the site having totally different paddings, spacings, text or background colours. Data storage wise, I'd store the table contents in a multi-dimensional array and drop that array into a db table with an id for identifying and referencing it. How the front-end solution for users to create, populate and markup the table is a question I'll leave to others more versed in front-end design. regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/ From thelist at si-designs.co.uk Fri Feb 4 10:15:37 2005 From: thelist at si-designs.co.uk (Simon Perry) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:15:37 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42039FA9.4070007@si-designs.co.uk> Joshua Olson wrote: >Simon, > >Thank you for you complete example. I owe you an apology because it looks >like I wasn't 100% succinct. Clearly, in your example, the cookie that is >set by the image is available on subsequent page loads. I can honestly say >that I was sure that would work. What I was looking to do was to read the >cookie AFTER the image loaded in the page, but without a page refresh. To >test, I fired a function to check for cookies within the image's onload >handler. > > > In my live test example I *do* have access to the cookie using *JavaScript* on initial page load but only after the page has completed loading. My onload event is on the body tag. It was PHP that required the refresh. >Something like this: > >

> > > > I don't think that an image tag supports the onload event :-( http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/objects.html http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/dtd.html#events Move the onload event trigger to the element and I bet it works. >In case you are wondering, my goal is to pass some meta information (about >1k worth) about the picture back to the browser for parsing and subsequent >display. The picture may be dynamically changed using javascript. I was >hoping to avoid spinning off a second call to the server to retrieve this >information. > > Still not clear what you are trying to achieve or quite what you mean by "meta information" in this context? Simon From info at internetvraagbaak.nl Fri Feb 4 02:49:28 2005 From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Internetvraagbaak.nl) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:49:28 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Putting an RSS feed into a site References: <005901c50a62$7d04da70$6401a8c0@autolycus><000f01c50a68$44bf6e40$157fea3c@oemcomputer> <4202F26D.6030103@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <004901c50a96$6fc598c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83> On phpclasses.org or hotscripts.com there are some RSS reading scripts... some for php4.X some allready for php5. The idea of caching and storing are well,,,, should be part of RSS itself an add -on for the protocol so to speak, but the disucssion is there, but no decision yet i think. Why should there be something like that: Well becuase of bandwidth, allthough being much cheaper than it used to be, a allready heavy visited site with many others colleting the rss info would create even more... We are reading RSS to send in to a chatsite-chatrooms :) my clients will definitelylike it! Jeroen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Burgan" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [thelist] Putting an RSS feed into a site > Thanks for your help. > > I implemented a solution at: > http://www.fotopunto.com/zumodered/rsshtmlizer/ (needed to use Google > translator to read the page, but I got it working) > > Thanks. > > Tim > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, > evolt ! > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3-2-2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3-2-2005 From joshua at waetech.com Fri Feb 4 11:41:05 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:41:05 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: <42039FA9.4070007@si-designs.co.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Perry > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:16 AM > I don't think that an image tag supports the onload event :-( > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/objects.html > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/dtd.html#events Holy cow. I never realized that before, but it looks like you may be correct. > Move the onload event trigger to the element and I bet > it works. For images referenced directly within the HTML, you are most likely correct. However, I plan on loading images dynamically after the page is loaded. > Still not clear what you are trying to achieve or quite what > you mean by > "meta information" in this context? Here's an example of what I'm trying to accomplish... Let's say we have an online photo archive of 1 million photos. I'd like to have a button that replaces the existing image (without a page refresh) by updating the image src to call a page on the server to return a single random image from the archive. I'd also like the photographers name, the copyright year, the camera information, and the email address of the copyright holder to be returned with the image. My thought was to have the information returned as cookies within the image so that I can publish them to the page in appropriate places. <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua Olson Web Application Engineer WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/ 706.210.0168 From thelist at si-designs.co.uk Fri Feb 4 12:20:16 2005 From: thelist at si-designs.co.uk (Simon Perry) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:20:16 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4203BCE0.6020100@si-designs.co.uk> Joshua Olson wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >> >>I don't think that an image tag supports the onload event :-( >> >>http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/objects.html >>http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/dtd.html#events >> >> > >Holy cow. I never realized that before, but it looks like you may be >correct. > > > >>Move the onload event trigger to the element and I bet >>it works. >> >> > >For images referenced directly within the HTML, you are most likely correct. >However, I plan on loading images dynamically after the page is loaded. > > The theory should hold strong if you call a new image from your generation program from JavaScript. The image generation program will still send the same data including setting a new cookie. The only gotcha I could think of would be caching the image source so you may need to add a bogus unique query string with each call.

>Here's an example of what I'm trying to accomplish... > >Let's say we have an online photo archive of 1 million photos. I'd like to >have a button that replaces the existing image (without a page refresh) by >updating the image src to call a page on the server to return a single >random image from the archive. I'd also like the photographers name, the >copyright year, the camera information, and the email address of the >copyright holder to be returned with the image. My thought was to have the >information returned as cookies within the image so that I can publish them >to the page in appropriate places. > > Well that certainly makes more sense. How about a js routine with an array of all your data fields that is populated server side when the page is first called. When the first say 20 images are exhausted simply change the links to reload the page and a new script will be created with fresh images. This way you could also easily cache the images to make it very slick. More random brainstorming; JavaScript + XML -You can run XML queries without page refreshes JavaScript + EXIF - Don't even know if you can access EXIF data from jpegs using JavaScript? Simon From evolt at weeb.biz Fri Feb 4 12:26:17 2005 From: evolt at weeb.biz (James Hardy) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:26:17 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: <200502041754478.SM00932@acornparenting.org> References: <200502041754478.SM00932@acornparenting.org> Message-ID: <4203BE49.3030603@weeb.biz> > > Here's an example of what I'm trying to accomplish... > ... > My thought was to have the > information returned as cookies within the image so that I can publish them > to the page in appropriate places. > Blimey! to me that seems a very complicated way of doing it to me. Are you tied to the idea of using cookies? If not you might want to consider doing it this way: use javascript to load an external XML file (either using the standards document.implementation or using Microsoft's ActiveX way of doing stuff) which could be in the format: or whatever feels most right at the time. This would of course be generated dynamically server side from whatever database you were using. Then simply parse that to get the values; then you can just populate the image and displayed information with the information you have got. use setInterval to lather, rinse and repeat, and you'd be sorted. -- James Hardy From joshua at waetech.com Fri Feb 4 12:57:49 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:57:49 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Cookies and images In-Reply-To: <4203BE49.3030603@weeb.biz> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: James Hardy > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:26 PM > > Here's an example of what I'm trying to accomplish... > > ... > > My thought was to have the > > information returned as cookies within the image so that I > can publish them > > to the page in appropriate places. > > > Blimey! to me that seems a very complicated way of doing it > to me. Are > you tied to the idea of using cookies? If not you might want > to consider > doing it this way: I'm not so much tied to using cookies as I am tied to only making exactly one call back to the server from the client for what this single information object consisting of a jpeg and its meta-data. The image archive was just an example to illustrate the technology I'm trying to build. I like the idea of encoding the information within the JPEG itself using EXIF, though I doubt there is a practical way to extract that information with JS. I'm halfway surprised that the w3 spec didn't account for adding ways to add meta-information to binary information (downloads, images, sounds, etc) as they were sent to the browser. While it is possible to send meta information via cookies, it doesn't seem to be available in the calling document in all cases (at least not in IE, which is still, believe it or not, the most prolific browser available). Simon, onload may not be supported by the spec, but for some reason it's triggered by IE/Moz when the image is done loading. :-) That being the case, the cookies returned by the image do not seem to be readily available using the aforementioned code. This whole concept may be a bust. Ugh. Wait a sec... I just had a ridiculous thought... what if, on the server, I packaged the jpeg into a JS variable, assigned the meta data to js variables, and then returned the information using the RPC technique posted the other day by Keith Gaughan. Is there a way to "draw" an image from JS data if it's encoded the right way? <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua Olson Web Application Engineer WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/ 706.210.0168 From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 13:04:48 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:04:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files? Message-ID: <20050204190448.80322.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com> Help me please someone. A client has a usability problem that I'm not informed about. The client's legal team demands that they *all* emails, even those stupid frivolous joke and comical image emails employees forward all over the office. Every single email that passes through client network. The IT guy complains that this is a huge code problem, hence, if required to locate a specific email message, it will be impossible. Each message is assigned a long query string. I know Gmail is searchable on a personal Gmail account. Does Google or other provider offer web service applications that solve this internal email search problem? Much obliged to any input on this. ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 13:08:42 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] RE: search network email files? Message-ID: <20050204190842.28263.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com> Correction: I slipped on the keyboard. Sentence should read: "Legal team demands client SAVE all email messages...(etc.)" And client cannot search network email files to find specific email message, alllegedly due to long strings of code attached to each message. Solution? ===== Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From judah at wiredotter.com Fri Feb 4 13:10:28 2005 From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:10:28 -0800 Subject: [thelist] CFMX Nested Queries In-Reply-To: <006801c508c8$fb150f70$6401a8c0@autolycus> References: <006801c508c8$fb150f70$6401a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: <4203C8A4.1010208@wiredotter.com> Actually, its not the query nesting that's a problem, its the nesting of the tag. If you change the inside (the one where you try and output qfeed) to a you don't have to use the include. Since the variable is already inside a , the variable will be evaluated. Judah Russ wrote: > Nothing like sending a post to a list to get the answer to smack you in > the head... > > > Surprise! 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