From hassan at webtuitive.com Tue Jul 19 17:28:50 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:28:50 -0700 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <42DD7112.2030004@dsl.pipex.com> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <42DD3AFC.7040409@topdogstrategy.com> <42DD3D05.2070904@webtuitive.com> <42DD7112.2030004@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <42DD7EA2.90709@webtuitive.com> Emily Tarrant wrote: > I do have Dreamweaver but don't use it (I'm a TextPad girl!). Is it the > template/non-editable-area functions of Dreamweaver that I would > particularly need to use Contribute? You can use that stuff pretty easily without Dreamweaver as long as there's some templated pages for examples of the "tags" used. The biggest problem is that there's a lot of valid CSS, particularly positioning-related, that either kills Contribute's ability to show the page as it looks while editing, or precludes editing content at all. Using DW to create/administer a Contribute-maintained site offers some slight management benefits, but with a single user that's not probably very relevant. FWIW! -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From dab.hand at xtra.co.nz Tue Jul 19 17:34:40 2005 From: dab.hand at xtra.co.nz (David Bailey) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:34:40 +1200 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42DD398F.7000601@designshift.com> Message-ID: I'm a newbie myself, but seeing no-one seems to have answered, try something like the following: body{ margin:0; padding:0; font-family:sans-serif;} #header{ height:100px; background-color:orange;} #content{ margin-left: 250px; background-color:pink;} #nav{ position: absolute; top: 100px; left: 0; width:250px; background-color:green;} #footer{ height:50px; background-color:blue;} David On 20/7/05 5:34 AM, "Sarah Sweeney" wrote: > I'm in serious need of some guidance in trying to complete this > css-based, trying-to-be-fluid layout I've working on for a few days now: > http://sarah.designshift.com/test/20050719-layout.html > > Basically, I want the nav div (the green one) to be to the left of the > content div (the pink one). I then want the width of the content div to > fill the rest of the page. And, if possible, I'd like to be able to > limit the width of the content div to a certain maximum (maybe 1200px). > > Any pointers, or examples of similar layouts I can check out? > > Thanks! From ken.schaefer at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 20:09:43 2005 From: ken.schaefer at gmail.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:09:43 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASP support going away? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11de06e2050719180923ee4770@mail.gmail.com> On 7/20/05, Canfield, Joel wrote: > > One of our infrastructure architects is making a claim that MS > > "will not be supporting ASP much longer since they are pushing > > .net". > > Define 'supporting' > > If I have a Win2K server, it'll run 'old' ASP. Nothing MS does will kill > that. > > If I upgrade my server someday, who knows what scripting languages it'll > support. On Win2K3 I can use .NET or 'old' ASP. On Win2K5, I suspect > I'll have no choice (other than switch to UNIX and PHP, of course ;) Support depends on what version of ASP we're talking about. ASP v1.0 and v2.0 are no longer supported, because Windows NT is no longer supported. ASP v3.0 is still currently supported because Windows 2000 and Windows 2003 Server are still supported. Support depends on what phase of the support cycle the product is in. In the mainstream phase, bug fixes and security fixes are free. In the extended phase security fixes are still available, but hotfixes are paid, and depend on a business case being met. There are no plans for ASP v4.0. v3 will be the last version of ASP. However it will be available on Windows Longhorn Server (to be delivered in 2006), so ASP will be around for quite some time. > If I want tech support with my 'old' ASP infrastructure, I'll be calling > a consultant, not MS. If you need a hotfix, a consultant is not going to help you. There is still a resource in the IIS Web Tools and Platforms team working on ASP supportability, working on hotfixes for issues that clients face. Cheers Ken From skquinn at speakeasy.net Wed Jul 20 02:08:27 2005 From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:08:27 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP support going away? In-Reply-To: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76D1F@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76D1F@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <1121843308.32572.27.camel@xevious> On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 13:26 -0500, Luther, Ron wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > One of our infrastructure architects is making a claim that MS > "will not be supporting ASP much longer since they are pushing > .net". > > Sounds kinda odd to me ... But is there any truth to that? The people to ask would be Microsoft themselves. And if you don't like the answer, it's a great excuse to drop ASP like a hot potato in favor of, say, PHP. -- Shawn K. Quinn From nan at heritageconcord.org Wed Jul 20 07:10:27 2005 From: nan at heritageconcord.org (Nan) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:10:27 -0400 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: <349C94CDF1409747A6B60F2491E1444306ACC9@groveserver.jackowitzco.local> Message-ID: Evolters, Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? I looked at Zend, it is expensive but maybe worth it. I am also looking at EnginSite. I searched Evolt for a discussion of PHP IDE programs, and only found one article on Zend that was about 4 years old. I want to be able to talk to the MySQL DB tables that are on the website I am working on, if that is possible. TIA, Nan From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 07:14:22 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:14:22 -0400 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: References: <349C94CDF1409747A6B60F2491E1444306ACC9@groveserver.jackowitzco.local> Message-ID: I love HomeSite :) On 7/20/05, Nan wrote: > Evolters, > Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? I looked at Zend, it > is expensive but maybe worth it. I am also looking at EnginSite. I searched > Evolt for a discussion of PHP IDE programs, and only found one article on > Zend that was about 4 years old. > I want to be able to talk to the MySQL DB tables that are on the website I > am working on, if that is possible. > TIA, > Nan > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- Get Firefox! From ron.luther at hp.com Wed Jul 20 07:15:39 2005 From: ron.luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:15:39 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP support going away? Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76D2D@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Ken Schaefer, as usual ;-), provided a very well-reasoned answer: >>Support depends on what version of ASP we're talking about. >>ASP v1.0 and v2.0 are no longer supported, because Windows NT >>is no longer supported. >>Support depends on what phase of the support cycle the product is in. >>There are no plans for ASP v4.0. v3 will be the last version of ASP. >>However it will be available on Windows Longhorn Server (to be >>delivered in 2006), so ASP will be around for quite some time. Ah! Thanks Ken, That's precisely the clarification I was looking for. I grok. Thanks, RonL. (Hi Shawn - FWIW, I like PHP a lot, probably even better than I like ASP or CF. [Perl, however, totally rocks!] Unfortunately, the choice of what toolset I get to use isn't up to me. I think I'm going to have to find a way to live with Business Objects [report writer / data browser out of France], Executive Viewer [rather basic datacube browser], and [if I'm lucky] maybe a little bit of .net. My users, my IT buds, and myself are all in for a bit of an 'adjustment'!) From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Jul 20 07:18:55 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:18:55 +0300 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42DE412F.3060408@netvision.net.il> > Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? Whenever someone asks about the 'best editor,' someone always says UltraEdit. But since I'm quick to respond today, I get to be that someone this time. :) UltraEdit. I use it for everything. Enough said. Hershel PS: Don't think it 'talks' to DBMs however. From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Wed Jul 20 07:16:14 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:16:14 -0500 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? Message-ID: [snip] Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? I looked at Zend, it is expensive but maybe worth it. I am also looking at EnginSite. I searched Evolt for a discussion of PHP IDE programs, and only found one article on Zend that was about 4 years old. I want to be able to talk to the MySQL DB tables that are on the website I am working on, if that is possible. [/snip] I have used quite a few. Here is a very complete list http://www.thelinuxconsultancy.co.uk/phpeditors.php From sam at iness.com Wed Jul 20 07:22:34 2005 From: sam at iness.com (Sam Carter) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:22:34 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Forum for optimizing search engine results? Message-ID: <42DE420A.8010404@iness.com> Is there another forum which is focused on optimizing websites to better search engine results? Sam From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Wed Jul 20 07:31:32 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:31:32 +1000 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42DE4424.9000200@pennyonthesidewalk.com> Nan wrote: >Evolters, >Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? I looked at Zend, it > > Whilst I am a big fan of Zend, there's also Rapid PHP. Robert From evolt at kasimir-k.fi Wed Jul 20 07:57:22 2005 From: evolt at kasimir-k.fi (Kasimir K) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:57:22 +0000 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42DE4A32.5000209@kasimir-k.fi> Nan scribeva in 2005-07-20 12:10: > Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? I use currently jEdit[0]. While it basically is a text editor, there are loads of very useful plugins for it, which bring it close to "real IDEs". Plugins I use include SQLPlugin, PHPParser, XML, CodeBrowser and FTP. It is also incredibly customizable, and has loads of very handy features. Oh, it's free too (GPL). .k [0] http://jedit.org/ From collin at strombergarchitectural.com Wed Jul 20 07:59:10 2005 From: collin at strombergarchitectural.com (Collin Davis) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:59:10 -0500 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So far I haven't found a more robust PHP IDE than Zend studio - if anybody knows of one, please let me know. Another option you might want to look into though, just to compare, is ActiveState's Komodo IDE - it goes beyond just PHP and offers perl/php/python/tcl/xslt features. Both packages run about the same regarding price - $300 for solutions like these is a steal. A couple other either low-cost or free alternatives are: PHPeclipse Trustudio I think you'll find however, that as you use the different ones, Zend is going to stand out to you. Cheers, Collin Davis Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products 903.454.0904 e collin at strombergarchitectural.com w http://www.strombergarchitectural.com -----Original Message----- From: Nan [mailto:nan at heritageconcord.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:10 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? Evolters, Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? I looked at Zend, it is expensive but maybe worth it. I am also looking at EnginSite. I searched Evolt for a discussion of PHP IDE programs, and only found one article on Zend that was about 4 years old. I want to be able to talk to the MySQL DB tables that are on the website I am working on, if that is possible. TIA, Nan -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From mrees at itsagoodprice.com Wed Jul 20 08:15:51 2005 From: mrees at itsagoodprice.com (Mark Rees) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:15:51 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Forum for optimizing search engine results? References: <42DE420A.8010404@iness.com> Message-ID: <019501c58d2d$273ad920$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> There's an interesting article here: http://www.urban75.org/tech/search_engine_index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Carter" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: [thelist] Forum for optimizing search engine results? > Is there another forum which is focused on optimizing websites to better > search engine results? > > Sam > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 08:17:58 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:17:58 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Forum for optimizing search engine results? In-Reply-To: <42DE420A.8010404@iness.com> References: <42DE420A.8010404@iness.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05072006171f8517d2@mail.gmail.com> > Is there another forum which is focused on optimizing websites to better > search engine results? http://forums.seochat.com/ is one. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From markgroen at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 08:34:17 2005 From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:34:17 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Forum for optimizing search engine results? References: <42DE420A.8010404@iness.com> Message-ID: <006101c58d2f$bb457d80$6400a8c0@vn.shawcable.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Carter" <> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:22 AM Subject: [thelist] Forum for optimizing search engine results? > Is there another forum which is focused on optimizing websites to better > search engine results? Not exactly a forum, follow the links on the left: http://searchenginewatch.com/ Good case studies here too, worth a free sub if you're a marketing type: http://www.marketingsherpa.com/ and of course from one of our own evolters is an article :-) http://www.evolt.org/article/Practical_Search_Engine_Optimization/20/60355/ cheers, Mark From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 10:02:58 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:02:58 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Forums - integrated solution versus standalone In-Reply-To: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B2966E3@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com> References: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B2966E3@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com> Message-ID: Integrating a open-source forum can be a nightmare (we did one. Estimated it would take a week, but it took more than a month. After that, we decided to entirely cancel the forum for several reason which meant we should roll back everthing we did in the db etc. It was a second pain.) There were two big issues in our case: 1. modifying the user/login tables. (every time a user logs in the system had to log into the forum and vice versa, there were two different user tables / user status tables / session information etc etc etc.) 2. security (corollary of 1) imho, it would be better to install the forum as a seperate module and just alter its look and feel, wording. More better write one to suit your needs if you have adequate time/money. Cheers, Volkan. On 7/19/05, Chris George wrote: > Hi there, > > Does anyone know of any forums (basically just threaded discussions) > that are easily integrated into existing web systems? > > We develop in a .net environment and would prefer .net, but basically, > beggars can't be choosers. :-P > > Our biggest concern is around security, and integrating with our > existing security model, versus their own method. > > Any ideas? > > Chris. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From steve at plankdesign.com Wed Jul 20 10:07:13 2005 From: steve at plankdesign.com (Steve Bissonnette) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:07:13 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Plank looking for a designer in Montr =?iso-8859-1?q?=E9?=al Message-ID: Hello There!! It?s that time yet again! It?s hiring time! Plank (http://www.plankdesign.com) has just started interviewing prospective designers to join our team. Our goal is to bring someone on staff ASAP for a 3 month contract with the expectation of full-time employment. (in-house in Montr?al ? Sorry, no tele-commuting) We are obviously looking for someone really talented and web focused. The usual skills are necessary: Strong abilities in Photoshop & Illustrator. A knowledge of any / all of the following is a big asset: Flash, Dreamweaver, HTML, CSS, PHP & XML. Most importantly, to fit in with the Plank team, we need someone with a creative eye. Knowing the software and tools is fine, but we need someone with a strong design sense. They need to love Fonts, Grids and RGB. They have to dream about monitor resolutions, browsers and

?s. They need to need the Internet! A good few years or professional experience or a graduate from a recognized design programme is expected. If you know someone who would fit that bill, please have them contact warren at plankdesign.com. Thanks! Steve -- steve bissonnette steve at plankdesign.com PLANK. A multi-faceted-media company. http://www.plankdesign.com v. 514.875.0003 f. 514.875.7611 From evolt at kasimir-k.fi Wed Jul 20 11:33:30 2005 From: evolt at kasimir-k.fi (Kasimir K) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:33:30 +0000 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <42DD726A.8080205@dsl.pipex.com> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> <1121793351.42dd35479a7bd@netmail.pipex.net> <42DD38A1.1050200@stoutstreet.com> <42DD726A.8080205@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <42DE7CDA.5000003@kasimir-k.fi> Emily Tarrant scribeva in 2005-07-19 21:36: > As for PHP, I definitely have the desire, but at the moment not the > time! Well, instead of first learning PHP and then doing the system you could do the other way around... For example, displaying images in a directory is really easy, and all your client has to do is ftp the images to correct directory. If you have a page for images of Foo, you'd then have a file foo.php and in that something like this:

Images of Foo

"; } } } ?> With texts it's even simpler. For example like this:

First updateable text follows

Your client just ftps a file called first.txt into the correct directory and the site is updated. I'd say that implementing this kind of system would consume far less of your time than learning any ready made CMS or bloging system. And you being a TextPad girl this gives the most flexibility and control. E.g. you could just: echo "

"; And training your client to use a text editor and ftp is probably far easier that teaching them Contribute or Wordpress. > Maybe I should get someone to read PHP to me > while I sleep so that when I wake up in the morning I miraculously know > it. Worth a try? Definitely! And while you do that you can also learn PHP just by starting to use it. .k From soundres9 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 11:38:47 2005 From: soundres9 at yahoo.com (klute) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Forum for optimizing search engine results? In-Reply-To: <42DE420A.8010404@iness.com> Message-ID: <20050720163847.40807.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com> this one is my favorite: http://forums.digitalpoint.com enjoy, james --- Sam Carter wrote: > Is there another forum which is focused on > optimizing websites to better > search engine results? > > Sam > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aspnet at thecrookstons.com Wed Jul 20 11:44:31 2005 From: aspnet at thecrookstons.com (Casey) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:44:31 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Exporting an Online Calendar to a PDA... anyone??? Message-ID: <002701c58d4a$4da14c80$6664a8c0@Papabear> Does anyone know of a slick and easy way to create a file which can be imported into a PDA calendar? The client already has a database driven calendar on their site, and they have asked that it be made compatible with Outlook and Palm OS so that they can export the events in the calendar to their PDA's. Any advice? Thanks in advance, Casey From aspnet at thecrookstons.com Wed Jul 20 11:50:14 2005 From: aspnet at thecrookstons.com (Casey) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:50:14 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100% Message-ID: <002d01c58d4b$1a1f9c30$6664a8c0@Papabear> Got a simple (I hope) Firefox / IE question for ya. Take a look at www.internetopus.com in both IE and Firefox (or Netscape). Usually it's a case of something working in FF but not in IE, but this time it's the opposite. Notice how the table height behaves properly in IE but is uneven in FF? Visit a few other pages and it becomes even more painful. The funny thing is, if you hit the refresh button in FF the problem goes away. Weird. I've played around for a while and not been able to whoop this one... anyone want to give it a shot? I'll treat you to a virtual-reality beer. :-) Thanks, Casey From pieter at roosensdesign.com Wed Jul 20 11:55:17 2005 From: pieter at roosensdesign.com (Pieter Roosens) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:55:17 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Forum for optimizing search engine results? In-Reply-To: <42DE420A.8010404@iness.com> References: <42DE420A.8010404@iness.com> Message-ID: <9FA27C61-2E0D-426B-BD41-99EA49652F62@roosensdesign.com> From Jill Whalen, the well known SEO guru: http://www.highrankings.com/forum/ Pieter ----------------------------------------- http://www.roosensdesign.com Op 20-jul-05, om 14:22 heeft Sam Carter het volgende geschreven: > Is there another forum which is focused on optimizing websites to > better search engine results? > > Sam From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 11:47:24 2005 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? Message-ID: <20050720164724.71644.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I haven't done any ASP programming in a long time (and the crowd cheered). However I am now updating an old web site where I need to do some ASP (and the crowd boos.) Anyway, I have literally been searching the web for over a half hour for a simple ASP reference where I can look up methods and properties. Example - I needed to look up Select Case ( finally found it on a VB reference site) and now I'm simply wanting to find substr and substring, how to correctly use them. I'm am getting totally shut out on Google, and I can't begin to tell you how frustrating it is! I've tried searching every combo. Anyway, there has GOT to be some kind of ASP reference where I can look stuff up online - anyone know of one? Has .Net just superceded everything? Lots of my old ASP links are now dead and even DevGuru's site blows for ASP. I'd look this stuff up in a book but I don't have one around for ASP. Last case scenario - mabye someone can clue me in on the substr and substring methods! TIA Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ Melissa: Ace, Where are you? Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Wed Jul 20 12:13:49 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:13:49 +0100 Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? Message-ID: > Anyway, there has GOT to be some kind of ASP reference where > I can look stuff up online - anyone know of one? Has .Net > just superceded everything? Lots of my old ASP links are now > dead and even DevGuru's site blows for ASP. I'd look this > stuff up in a book but I don't have one around for ASP. > > Last case scenario - mabye someone can clue me in on the > substr and substring methods! Hi Tom, You can download a VBScript reference from Microsoft for free. It's really handy. It won't help you with the built-in ASP objects but it'll cover things like substr... http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=01592C48-207D-4 BE1-8A76-1C4099D7BBB9&displaylang=en (smaller URL, same page) http://tinyurl.com/7rk6 Jason From misterhaan at track7.org Wed Jul 20 12:17:11 2005 From: misterhaan at track7.org (misterhaan) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:17:11 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? In-Reply-To: <20050720164724.71644.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050720164724.71644.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42DE8717.7070402@track7.org> you can use left(), right() or mid() to get part of a string. i don't know of a good asp reference though -- i only used it for a short time. Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: >Hey all, > >I haven't done any ASP programming in a long time (and the crowd cheered). However I am now >updating an old web site where I need to do some ASP (and the crowd boos.) Anyway, I have >literally been searching the web for over a half hour for a simple ASP reference where I can look >up methods and properties. > >Example - I needed to look up Select Case ( finally found it on a VB reference site) and now I'm >simply wanting to find substr and substring, how to correctly use them. I'm am getting totally >shut out on Google, and I can't begin to tell you how frustrating it is! I've tried searching >every combo. > >Anyway, there has GOT to be some kind of ASP reference where I can look stuff up online - anyone >know of one? Has .Net just superceded everything? Lots of my old ASP links are now dead and even >DevGuru's site blows for ASP. I'd look this stuff up in a book but I don't have one around for >ASP. > >Last case scenario - mabye someone can clue me in on the substr and substring methods! > >TIA > >Tom > > >http://www.pixelmech.com/ > >Melissa: Ace, Where are you? >Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. > > > From jweiss at cox-internet.com Wed Jul 20 12:26:06 2005 From: jweiss at cox-internet.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:26:06 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? References: <20050720164724.71644.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b801c58d50$1cfab660$09ceb246@weiss> Here ya go: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/script56/html/vtoriVBScript.asp HTH, -jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" To: "thelist" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? > Hey all, > > I haven't done any ASP programming in a long time (and the crowd cheered). However I am now > updating an old web site where I need to do some ASP (and the crowd boos.) Anyway, I have > literally been searching the web for over a half hour for a simple ASP reference where I can look > up methods and properties. > > Example - I needed to look up Select Case ( finally found it on a VB reference site) and now I'm > simply wanting to find substr and substring, how to correctly use them. I'm am getting totally > shut out on Google, and I can't begin to tell you how frustrating it is! I've tried searching > every combo. > > Anyway, there has GOT to be some kind of ASP reference where I can look stuff up online - anyone > know of one? Has .Net just superceded everything? Lots of my old ASP links are now dead and even > DevGuru's site blows for ASP. I'd look this stuff up in a book but I don't have one around for > ASP. > > Last case scenario - mabye someone can clue me in on the substr and substring methods! > > TIA > > Tom > > > http://www.pixelmech.com/ > > Melissa: Ace, Where are you? > Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 12:30:27 2005 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050720173027.67284.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Jason, that helps a bit. Tom --- Jason Handby wrote: > You can download a VBScript reference from Microsoft for free. It's > really handy. It won't help you with the built-in ASP objects but it'll > cover things like substr... http://www.pixelmech.com/ Melissa: Ace, Where are you? Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 12:32:25 2005 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? In-Reply-To: <00b801c58d50$1cfab660$09ceb246@weiss> Message-ID: <20050720173225.37271.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jeremy Weiss wrote: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/script56/html/vtoriVBScript.asp Thanks, that seems to be the same thing as the download Jason suggested. So, I've always been confused by this but VBScript and ASP - they are the same thing just on different sides of the coin or what? Thanks Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ Melissa: Ace, Where are you? Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Wed Jul 20 12:42:10 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:42:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? Message-ID: > So, I've always been confused by this but VBScript > and ASP - they are the same thing just on different sides of > the coin or what? Visual Basic Scripting Edition is the language you use to create Active Server Pages. It's like HTML is the language you use to create static web pages. A web page != HTML, and vice versa. For some reason, with ASP/VBScript, the distinction is blurrier with many folks. joel From jacobaust at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 12:44:43 2005 From: jacobaust at gmail.com (Jake Aust) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:44:43 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Help a Table Hacker do it right in CSS Message-ID: <42DE8D8B.5050908@gmail.com> Hi there.... I'm trying to get a 2-column layout right with CSS positioning. The tricky part is that due to rounded corners and such, I am trying to set minimum heights for the columns. What's the best way to do this? Currently I have an absolute height set on the divs, which works in IE/WinXP. It uses the absolute pixel height as a minimum, but when the content grows longer, the container div expands as necessary. However, I understand that this is not the web standard for this behavior. In FireFox, the height is used, no matter how long the content is, which means that the content breaks out of the container when it is too long. Any suggestions? For reference, the current coded version is here: http://www.giantleapsot.com/sub.htm (short content) http://www.giantleapsot.com/sub_long.htm (long content) -- ------------- Jake Aust Post Production Supervisor & Web Developer 310-948-6841 (cell) From peter at easylistbox.com Wed Jul 20 12:49:35 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:49:35 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? Message-ID: <556bc43b67424abcb86881fdc3ba8729@easylistbox.com> Well, in evolt terms, they're two sides of the "hate anything Microsoft" twelve-sided die, but that's neither here nor there. VBScript is a scripting language, as you may have surmised from the reference. ASP (Active Server Pages) is an environment that runs inside the IIS process and allows scripted access to various pieces of the server architecture. ASP runs on VBScript by default, but you can quickly configure it to JScript as well (I think you can install other scripting engines but I've never tried). From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com --- Jeremy Weiss wrote: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/script56/html/vtoriVBScript.asp Thanks, that seems to be the same thing as the download Jason suggested. So, I've always been confused by this but VBScript and ASP - they are the same thing just on different sides of the coin or what? Thanks Tom From peter at easylistbox.com Wed Jul 20 13:15:56 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:15:56 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Help a Table Hacker do it right in CSS Message-ID: I don't see why that would be a problem. Wouldn't you just specify a height and then set overflow to visible? Or is that not a standard style property? From: Jake Aust jacobaust at gmail.com Hi there.... I'm trying to get a 2-column layout right with CSS positioning. The tricky part is that due to rounded corners and such, I am trying to set minimum heights for the columns. What's the best way to do this? Currently I have an absolute height set on the divs, which works in IE/WinXP. It uses the absolute pixel height as a minimum, but when the content grows longer, the container div expands as necessary. However, I understand that this is not the web standard for this behavior. In FireFox, the height is used, no matter how long the content is, which means that the content breaks out of the container when it is too long. Any suggestions? For reference, the current coded version is here: http://www.giantleapsot.com/sub.htm (short content) http://www.giantleapsot.com/sub_long.htm (long content) -- ------------- Jake Aust Post Production Supervisor & Web Developer 310-948-6841 (cell) From skquinn at speakeasy.net Wed Jul 20 13:19:30 2005 From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:19:30 -0500 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1121883570.32572.32.camel@xevious> On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 08:10 -0400, Nan wrote: > Evolters, > Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? I looked at > Zend, it is expensive but maybe worth it. I am also looking at > EnginSite. I searched Evolt for a discussion of PHP IDE programs, and > only found one article on Zend that was about 4 years old. You don't say what OS you're running... Emacs and Vim are my top two choices for just about everything. I know both have been ported to just about every Unix in existence and Windows, not sure about MacOS X. -- Shawn K. Quinn From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 13:29:31 2005 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Help a Table Hacker do it right in CSS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050720182931.87462.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> > However, I understand that this is not the web standard for this > behavior. In FireFox, the height is used, no matter how long the content > is, which means that the content breaks out of the container when it is > too long. I bit time strapped, so I don't have time to view your code but what you want to do is have the container background be the 'box' you are using. You'd apply a background image that essentially is a slice of the middle of the box and repeat it vertically. Then put the footer, or a box on the bottom of the container with an image of the bottom of the 'box' as the background. This probably won't hold any content so keep it as short vertically as you can. You may have to clear that box if you are using floats. Probably not as detailed as you want but HTH. FYI There is no reliable min-width/height property we can use yet, unfortunately. If you take a look at my personal site code www.pixelmech.com, you can get somewhat an idea - the 'body' of the monster is the container, then the footer below closes it off. Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ Melissa: Ace, Where are you? Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. From gunlaugs at c2i.net Wed Jul 20 13:28:26 2005 From: gunlaugs at c2i.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gunlaug_S=F8rtun?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:28:26 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Help a Table Hacker do it right in CSS In-Reply-To: <42DE8D8B.5050908@gmail.com> References: <42DE8D8B.5050908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42DE97CA.2040209@c2i.net> Jake Aust wrote: > I'm trying to get a 2-column layout right with CSS positioning. The > tricky part is that due to rounded corners and such, I am trying to > set minimum heights for the columns. What's the best way to do this? Something like: #container { min-height: 200px; _height: 200px; } ...will work just fine. The CSS validator don't like the 'leading underscore', but that's just the validator that's a bit /old/. Perfectly valid in CSS2.1. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no From nan at heritageconcord.org Wed Jul 20 13:39:14 2005 From: nan at heritageconcord.org (Nan) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:39:14 -0400 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: <1121883570.32572.32.camel@xevious> Message-ID: I am on a windows machine. The Zend rep finally called me, FYI for those of you working at non-profits and educational institutions, they offer a 25% discount, for the professional version, $225 instead of $300. Thanks for your help Shawn. I will check these out. Nan -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:20 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 08:10 -0400, Nan wrote: > Evolters, > Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? I looked at > Zend, it is expensive but maybe worth it. I am also looking at > EnginSite. I searched Evolt for a discussion of PHP IDE programs, and > only found one article on Zend that was about 4 years old. You don't say what OS you're running... Emacs and Vim are my top two choices for just about everything. I know both have been ported to just about every Unix in existence and Windows, not sure about MacOS X. -- Shawn K. Quinn From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Wed Jul 20 13:40:06 2005 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:40:06 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Help a Table Hacker do it right in CSS In-Reply-To: <42DE8D8B.5050908@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 20/7/05 6:44 pm, "Jake Aust" wrote: > The > tricky part is that due to rounded corners and such, I am trying to set > minimum heights for the columns. What's the best way to do this? Why not create rounded corners for the bottom of the div and set the background to: url(bgd.gif) #foo bottom no-repeat; Remove the height attribute and the text will push down the bottom of the div with the rounded corners. Because you have fixed widths you can create a single background with right and left corners. -- Chris Price Choctaw chris.price at choctaw.co.uk http://www.choctaw.co.uk From sarah at designshift.com Wed Jul 20 13:44:47 2005 From: sarah at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:44:47 -0300 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> > I'm a newbie myself, but seeing no-one seems to have answered, try something > like the following: > > Thanks, David, this seems to (almost) work: http://sarah.designshift.com/test/20050719-layout1.html except for the unexplained margins at the top and bottom of the content div. Any ideas? Also, should I worry about using absolute positioning, i.e. are there any potential consequences I need to worry about? -- sarah sweeney family: http://geekjock.ca wedding: http://wedding.geekjock.ca blog: http://hardedge.ca portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com From sarah at designshift.com Wed Jul 20 13:47:28 2005 From: sarah at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:47:28 -0300 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <000001c58caf$9a6d7fc0$6701a8c0@bluedew> References: <000001c58caf$9a6d7fc0$6701a8c0@bluedew> Message-ID: <42DE9C40.4040606@designshift.com> > - add a or char to the header Will this help prevent some particular bugs? (BTW, normally there would be content in the header, I just removed it for this stripped-down, bare-bones version of the page.) > - move nav above content I purposely left the nav below the content, for SEO purposes. > - to #content add max-width: 1200 and use IE's "dynamic" expression to > force IE to recognize max-width. Will this work when JavaScript is disabled? -- sarah sweeney family: http://geekjock.ca wedding: http://wedding.geekjock.ca blog: http://hardedge.ca portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com From Anna.Peekstok at METROKC.GOV Wed Jul 20 14:05:29 2005 From: Anna.Peekstok at METROKC.GOV (Peekstok, Anna) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:05:29 -0700 Subject: [thelist] CSS-Can't get IE to change link color Message-ID: <0A783574FBD0D311B3B000805FE6729325F16064@kcmail1.metrokc.gov> Page: http://www.metrokc.gov/airport/index_new.stm In the "News Updates" box on the right, I've styled links to be white, but IE stubbornly shows them in its default dark-red (i.e., unreadable against my dark background) color. The relevant styles are in the page header. Any help appreciated! Anna ***** Anna Peekstok King County Department of Transportation Community Relations and Communications 206-263-6482 From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 14:15:37 2005 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] CSS-Can't get IE to change link color In-Reply-To: <0A783574FBD0D311B3B000805FE6729325F16064@kcmail1.metrokc.gov> Message-ID: <20050720191537.95834.qmail@web51401.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Peekstok, Anna" wrote: > Page: http://www.metrokc.gov/airport/index_new.stm > > > In the "News Updates" box on the right, I've styled links to be white, but > IE stubbornly shows them in its default dark-red (i.e., unreadable against > my dark background) color. The relevant styles are in the page header. The Red is your visited state: a:visited { color: #990000; } Is the rule it is seeing. IE and NS are handling it differently because of the way each handles the rules. Remember the LVHA (love, hate) rule: Specify link, visited, hover, active a:link { color: foo } a:visited { color: foo } a:hover { color: foo } a:active { color: fooey } They should all be together. Try that and see if you get better results. Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ Melissa: Ace, Where are you? Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. From RPringle at aurora-il.org Wed Jul 20 14:20:29 2005 From: RPringle at aurora-il.org (Pringle, Ron) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:20:29 -0500 Subject: [thelist] CSS-Can't get IE to change link color Message-ID: <4A27645B1A4F4D4181909FA5D213FEF402978F@coaexb.coa.aurora-il.org> > In the "News Updates" box on the right, I've styled links to > be white, but > IE stubbornly shows them in its default dark-red (i.e., > unreadable against > my dark background) color. The relevant styles are in the page header. > > Any help appreciated! > > Anna Anna- The dark red is the visited link color. The links, before being followed, show white as you intend. You just need to change the visited link color. Regards, Ron From Anna.Peekstok at METROKC.GOV Wed Jul 20 14:25:32 2005 From: Anna.Peekstok at METROKC.GOV (Peekstok, Anna) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:25:32 -0700 Subject: [thelist] CSS-Can't get IE to change link color Message-ID: <0A783574FBD0D311B3B000805FE6729325F16066@kcmail1.metrokc.gov> >From: Tom Dell'Aringa [mailto:pixelmech at yahoo.com] > >The Red is your visited state: >a:visited > { color: #990000; } Is the rule it is seeing. Well, thank you. I had combed through all the style sheets and missed that little sucker. You have saved me untold shame and frustration. Anna ***** Anna Peekstok King County Department of Transportation Community Relations and Communications 206-263-6482 From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Wed Jul 20 14:33:45 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (Emily Tarrant) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:33:45 +0100 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <42DE7CDA.5000003@kasimir-k.fi> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> <1121793351.42dd35479a7bd@netmail.pipex.net> <42DD38A1.1050200@stoutstreet.com> <42DD726A.8080205@dsl.pipex.com> <42DE7CDA.5000003@kasimir-k.fi> Message-ID: <42DEA719.3010808@dsl.pipex.com> Kasimir K wrote: > I'd say that implementing this kind of system would consume far less > of your time than learning any ready made CMS or bloging system. And > you being a TextPad girl this gives the most flexibility and control. > E.g. you could just: > echo "

"; > > Kasimir you are a star! Thank you so much for those snippets of code. I can see real possibilities in using this - it's just the simple kind of solution that I need. And as I understand how it works it's given me hope that I might actually be able to learn PHP. > Definitely! And while you do that you can also learn PHP just by > starting to use it. > > .k That I will! I can't thank you enough. A plan is already forming in my mind of how I can implement it. Emily From morrison.ben at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 14:47:27 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:47:27 +0100 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <42DD726A.8080205@dsl.pipex.com> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> <1121793351.42dd35479a7bd@netmail.pipex.net> <42DD38A1.1050200@stoutstreet.com> <42DD726A.8080205@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <6073aef9050720124744ac04b8@mail.gmail.com> > I have thought about WordPress. I've been playing around a bit with it > recently, but it doesn't seem to have an easy way to upload images (my > partner is doing a bit of a blog and I have to explain how to do the > images every time...). As this is going to be a photography site, the > images are the main focus. Emily, I built a simple flash gallery a while back and was my first time using PHP, here's some of the bookmarks that I kept. I did have a few problems with some of the tutorials that i used in the past - think this was due to php versions and the configuration of the server. I cant remember wether it was these or not, but they should be of some use. http://www.sitepoint.com/article/php-gallery-system-minutes http://www.devpapers.com/article/95 http://www.kirupa.com/web/php_upload.htm ben From brian.delaney at mccmh.net Wed Jul 20 15:48:01 2005 From: brian.delaney at mccmh.net (Brian Delaney) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:48:01 -0400 Subject: [thelist] show multiple pdf's or other docs Message-ID: <42DEB881.7080701@mccmh.net> We have reports that consists of 10-20 separate pdf files. The new direction is to make these reports(pdf's) accessible on our intranet. Does anybody have a best practice as to how to handle this? Do you just create a new web page and add links and brief text to each file? Just curious, Thanks From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Wed Jul 20 15:59:18 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:59:18 -0700 Subject: [thelist] show multiple pdf's or other docs Message-ID: > We have reports that consists of 10-20 separate pdf files. The new > direction is to make these reports(pdf's) accessible on our intranet. > > Does anybody have a best practice as to how to handle this? > Do you just create a new web page and add links and brief > text to each file? That's how I've done it many times. I try to include the file size for external sites, but it's nice even on an intranet. You can even script a dynamic page so you don't have to maintain it; just drop new files in the directory and they appear on the page automagically! joel From lists at semioticpixels.com Wed Jul 20 16:42:52 2005 From: lists at semioticpixels.com (chris) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:42:52 -0700 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42DE9C40.4040606@designshift.com> Message-ID: <001401c58d73$fbf72240$6701a8c0@bluedew> Hi Sarah, - No, IE's dynamic expression doesn't work with js turned off. - Putting content into the header just gave it something tangible to apply its rules to. - If you want the nav to live below the content, then you'll probably need to position it absolutely then give a left margin to the content div that is big enough for the left nav to fit into. There is a good collection of layout links at the css-d wiki [http://css-discuss.incutio.com/] and I believe that a couple years ago Big John at www.positioniseverything.com wrote an article called Source Ordered Layouts specifically for people who want to control the source order for SEO. Hth! -chris From ken.schaefer at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:00:03 2005 From: ken.schaefer at gmail.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:00:03 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? In-Reply-To: <20050720173225.37271.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00b801c58d50$1cfab660$09ceb246@weiss> <20050720173225.37271.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <11de06e205072017004a33999d@mail.gmail.com> ASP is an environment. It supports writing pages in any language for which there is a compatible script intepretor. Out of the box, ASP supports VBScript and JScript, and there are also PerlScript and Rexx intepretors available. So, basically, you can write your ASP pages in a number of different languages. Recently the issue of whether "ASP" supports short-circuiting was canvassed on the list, and depending on whether you use VBScript or JScript, you could get short-circuit support. There are downloadable references for VBScript and JScript on the MS website. If you want a reference for instrinsic ASP objects (Response, Request etc). you can find that here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/iissdk/html/337d53ca-fe73-4e51-a25d-24f4ee5853a7.asp?frame=true Cheers Ken On 7/21/05, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > --- Jeremy Weiss wrote: > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/script56/html/vtoriVBScript.asp > > Thanks, that seems to be the same thing as the download Jason suggested. So, I've always been > confused by this but VBScript and ASP - they are the same thing just on different sides of the > coin or what? > > Thanks > > Tom > > > > http://www.pixelmech.com/ > > Melissa: Ace, Where are you? > Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From ken.schaefer at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:06:31 2005 From: ken.schaefer at gmail.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:06:31 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASP support going away? In-Reply-To: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76D2D@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76D2D@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <11de06e205072017064e933423@mail.gmail.com> Could I suggest, as part of your risk management, you investigate a migration to ASP.NET? .NET has been out for quite a few years now, and the toolsets/methodologies etc have matured to a level that supports even enteprise level applications. A migration would give you a degree of future proofing Cheers Ken On 7/20/05, Luther, Ron wrote: > Ken Schaefer, as usual ;-), provided a very well-reasoned answer: > > > >>Support depends on what version of ASP we're talking about. > >>ASP v1.0 and v2.0 are no longer supported, because Windows NT > >>is no longer supported. > > >>Support depends on what phase of the support cycle the product is in. > > >>There are no plans for ASP v4.0. v3 will be the last version of ASP. > >>However it will be available on Windows Longhorn Server (to be > >>delivered in 2006), so ASP will be around for quite some time. > > > Ah! Thanks Ken, > > > That's precisely the clarification I was looking for. > > I grok. > > > Thanks, > > RonL. > > (Hi Shawn - FWIW, I like PHP a lot, probably even better than > I like ASP or CF. [Perl, however, totally rocks!] Unfortunately, > the choice of what toolset I get to use isn't up to me. I think > I'm going to have to find a way to live with Business Objects > [report writer / data browser out of France], Executive Viewer > [rather basic datacube browser], and [if I'm lucky] maybe a > little bit of .net. My users, my IT buds, and myself are all > in for a bit of an 'adjustment'!) > From AMilling at dhs.ca.gov Wed Jul 20 19:32:41 2005 From: AMilling at dhs.ca.gov (Millington, Anne (DHS-EPO)) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:32:41 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASP support going away? Message-ID: <3F1AC4E192B2D14A9D618431E84ED4360121DB83@DHSEXCMSG11.intra.dhs.ca.gov> So I guess ASP 3.0 wouldn't be your first pick if you are looking for major, and I mean major, security and reliability... :) I want to make a case for so migrating where I am, and can't believe that writing to the CDONTS component is a good thing. Of course, I am not _really_ a programmer, so I rely on the opinion of folks who are. Best, Anne >Could I suggest, as part of your risk management, you investigate a >migration to ASP.NET? >.NET has been out for quite a few years now, and the >toolsets/methodologies etc have matured to a level that supports even >enteprise level applications. A migration would give you a degree of >future proofing >Cheers >Ken From ken.schaefer at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:49:03 2005 From: ken.schaefer at gmail.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:49:03 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASP support going away? In-Reply-To: <3F1AC4E192B2D14A9D618431E84ED4360121DB83@DHSEXCMSG11.intra.dhs.ca.gov> References: <3F1AC4E192B2D14A9D618431E84ED4360121DB83@DHSEXCMSG11.intra.dhs.ca.gov> Message-ID: <11de06e2050720184939ea4836@mail.gmail.com> On 7/21/05, Millington, Anne (DHS-EPO) wrote: > So I guess ASP 3.0 wouldn't be your first pick if you are looking for > major, and I mean major, security and reliability... :) I'm not entirely sure what's insecure or unreliable about ASP3.0 The problems with ASP are the same as many other interpreted, non-OOP development environments: scalability is not so good and development is more difficult. You can leverage COM+ to get some scalability, but debugging across mutiple tiers is difficult. > I want to make a case for so migrating where I am, Well, there's plenty of information on the Microsoft website. Better/easier development, rich base class library, superior performance are all factors to include. > and can't believe > that writing to the CDONTS component is a good thing. Other than CDONTS being deprecated, I'm not sure what other issues there are with writing against CDONTS. Writing against CDOSYS (replacement for CDONTS) would be better. But CDONTS isn't part of ASP per se, so I'm not sure what relationship this has with the reliability/security of ASP3 > Of course, I am > not _really_ a programmer, so I rely on the opinion of folks who are. > > Best, > Anne > > > >Could I suggest, as part of your risk management, you investigate a > >migration to ASP.NET? > > >.NET has been out for quite a few years now, and the > >toolsets/methodologies etc have matured to a level that supports even > >enteprise level applications. A migration would give you a degree of > >future proofing > > >Cheers > >Ken > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Jul 21 01:54:04 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:54:04 -0700 Subject: [thelist] current PHP: PEAR, etc? In-Reply-To: <42DD3903.8020108@worlddomination.net> References: <42DD3903.8020108@worlddomination.net> Message-ID: <42DF468C.4060504@neptunewebworks.com> Steve Lewis wrote: > I haven't used PEAR and don't know what tools or libraries have really > become ubiquitous since then. ... > I will also take recommendations for dead-tree format guides, but given > the expected delivery time and investment necessary in those, I would > like to find some web links to keep me engaged until the recommended > books arrive. Matt Warden wrote: > Other than QuickForm, I tend to stay away > from the PEAR::HTML* packages and use Smarty[3] instead. I don't feel > like creating HTML elements in an OOP way fits into a typical > development environment. Like Matt, I tend to use Smarty for HTML generation. Some of the HTML packages in PEAR by default output rather ugly nested-tables-based HTML markup anyway. I can recommend a dead-tree resource: check out David Sklar's Essential PHP Tools. It covers a few of the more ubiquitous PEAR packages, such as PEAR::DB, PEAR::Auth, PEAR::HTML_QuickForm, PEAR::SOAP and PEAR::XML_RPC (it also covers ADOdb and Smarty). It's not a book for beginners, but rather an "in-depth overview" of some of the better (and more ubiquitous) packages in PEAR and related packages. HTH -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From mrees at itsagoodprice.com Thu Jul 21 03:17:22 2005 From: mrees at itsagoodprice.com (Mark Rees) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:17:22 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100% References: <002d01c58d4b$1a1f9c30$6664a8c0@Papabear> Message-ID: <003501c58dcc$9ee94660$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Casey" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: [thelist] Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100% > Got a simple (I hope) Firefox / IE question for ya. > > Take a look at www.internetopus.com in both IE and Firefox (or Netscape). > Usually it's a case of something working in FF but not in IE, but this time > it's the opposite. Notice how the table height behaves properly in IE but > is uneven in FF? Visit a few other pages and it becomes even more painful. I tried saving it locally, but then I couldn't replicate the problem...As a guess, how about removing the height attribute from the td in the code above?Mark> > The funny thing is, if you hit the refresh button in FF the problem goes > away. Weird. I've played around for a while and not been able to whoop this > one... anyone want to give it a shot? I'll treat you to a virtual-reality > beer. > > :-) > > Thanks, > > Casey > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From rfaaberg at comcast.net Thu Jul 21 03:40:06 2005 From: rfaaberg at comcast.net (Rick Faaberg) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:40:06 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100% In-Reply-To: <003501c58dcc$9ee94660$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> Message-ID: (I'm top-posting only because of the mess below that came in on the list.) I'm just lurking and trying to decide whether to stay on this list. Are there no rules on post format like no top-posting, strip extraneous text (for instance duplicate footers), responding directly to the question, maybe spelling most words correctly, not posting responses in the middle of quoted text, having *all* the quoted text prefixed with the quoting symbol, and that sort of thing? I'm sure there's good info and intent here on many of the posts, but some are sure messy! Any info appreciated. Maybe these messes are not the norm and I should stick around? Or maybe there's an offline moderator trying to help out? Thanks (and please, no one take any offense, because I didn't intend any), Rick Faaberg > Subject: [thelist] Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100% > > >> Got a simple (I hope) Firefox / IE question for ya. >> >> Take a look at www.internetopus.com in both IE and Firefox (or Netscape). >> Usually it's a case of something working in FF but not in IE, but this > time >> it's the opposite. Notice how the table height behaves properly in IE but >> is uneven in FF? Visit a few other pages and it becomes even more > painful. > > > > > > I tried saving it locally, but then I > couldn't replicate the problem...As a guess, how about removing the height > attribute from the td in the code above?Mark> >> The funny thing is, if you hit the refresh button in FF the problem goes >> away. Weird. I've played around for a while and not been able to whoop > this >> one... anyone want to give it a shot? I'll treat you to a virtual-reality >> beer. >> >> :-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Casey >> >> >> -- >> >> * * Please support the community that supports you. * * >> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> >> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >> Workers of the Web, evolt ! >> > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Thu Jul 21 04:25:44 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:25:44 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Post format (was: Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100%) Message-ID: Hi Rick, > (I'm top-posting only because of the mess below that came in > on the list.) > > I'm just lurking and trying to decide whether to stay on this list. > > Are there no rules on post format like no top-posting, strip > extraneous text (for instance duplicate footers), responding > directly to the question, maybe spelling most words > correctly, not posting responses in the middle of quoted > text, having *all* the quoted text prefixed with the quoting > symbol, and that sort of thing? > > I'm sure there's good info and intent here on many of the > posts, but some are sure messy! > > Any info appreciated. Maybe these messes are not the norm and > I should stick around? Or maybe there's an offline moderator > trying to help out? > > Thanks (and please, no one take any offense, because I didn't > intend any), I think most people often make an effort not to top-post, etc. But it doesn't always work out. Sometimes it bugs me, but I find that generally the informational content of this list is pretty high and the amount of junk is pretty low; so personally I just go with it. Putting up with a small amount of bad formatting, juvenile platform-bashing, etc. is a pretty small price to pay, IMHO, compared to some other lists I've been on. Generally speaking this is a helpful and positive bunch of people. If someone wanted to create a clear statement of posting guidelines -- and maybe link to it from the footer -- I guess that wouldn't be a bad thing. But my guess is that the people who don't know not to top-post also don't read posting guidelines :-) Jason From morrison.ben at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 04:43:37 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:43:37 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Post format (was: Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100%) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6073aef90507210243110fb37c@mail.gmail.com> > If someone wanted to create a clear statement of posting guidelines -- > and maybe link to it from the footer -- I guess that wouldn't be a bad > thing. But my guess is that the people who don't know not to top-post > also don't read posting guidelines :-) If I remember rightly, when you sign up to thelist you agree to its guidleines: http://lists.evolt.org/index.php?content=listinfo ben From rfaaberg at comcast.net Thu Jul 21 04:53:44 2005 From: rfaaberg at comcast.net (Rick Faaberg) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:53:44 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Post format (was: Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100%) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/21/05 2:25 AM "Jason Handby" sent this out: >> Any info appreciated. Maybe these messes are not the norm and >> I should stick around? Or maybe there's an offline moderator >> trying to help out? >> >> Thanks (and please, no one take any offense, because I didn't >> intend any), > > I think most people often make an effort not to top-post, etc. But it > doesn't always work out. Sometimes it bugs me, but I find that generally > the informational content of this list is pretty high and the amount of > junk is pretty low; so personally I just go with it. Putting up with a > small amount of bad formatting, juvenile platform-bashing, etc. is a > pretty small price to pay, IMHO, compared to some other lists I've been > on. Generally speaking this is a helpful and positive bunch of people. > It sure seems that way and the list surely comes highly recommended. That's why I joined. I'm on some lists that have pretty clear behavior and post expectations and rules and I like those lists also. I guess a little chaos could be healthy though as well, hmm? :-) > If someone wanted to create a clear statement of posting guidelines -- > and maybe link to it from the footer -- I guess that wouldn't be a bad > thing. But my guess is that the people who don't know not to top-post > also don't read posting guidelines :-) You are a wise person, I can tell! Posting guidelines posted somewhere that could be referenced when deviated from could be a useful thing, imho. Best, Rick Faaberg From rfaaberg at comcast.net Thu Jul 21 05:02:09 2005 From: rfaaberg at comcast.net (Rick Faaberg) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:02:09 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Post format (was: Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100%) In-Reply-To: <6073aef90507210243110fb37c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/21/05 2:43 AM "ben morrison" sent this out: >> If someone wanted to create a clear statement of posting guidelines -- >> and maybe link to it from the footer -- I guess that wouldn't be a bad >> thing. But my guess is that the people who don't know not to top-post >> also don't read posting guidelines :-) > > If I remember rightly, when you sign up to thelist you agree to its > guidleines: > > http://lists.evolt.org/index.php?content=listinfo Oh, I see. All that's needed is a bit of enforcement. But on a volunteer list that might not happen. I certainly never want to be the enforcer if that is not my job! ;-] I'll stick around for awhile and hope I can contribute. Thanks! Rick Faaberg From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Thu Jul 21 07:10:11 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (emily tarrant) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:10:11 +0100 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <6073aef9050720124744ac04b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> <1121793351.42dd35479a7bd@netmail.pipex.net> <42DD38A1.1050200@stoutstreet.com> <42DD726A.8080205@dsl.pipex.com> <6073aef9050720124744ac04b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1121947811.42df90a391f92@netmail.pipex.net> > > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/php-gallery-system-minutes > > http://www.devpapers.com/article/95 > > http://www.kirupa.com/web/php_upload.htm > > ben > -- Looks interesting, cheers ben. I've decided to make it my mission to learn php (I'll just have to make time), so I will add these to my list of things to work through - maybe when I'm feeling a little more confident. Emily From erik at erikheerlein.com Thu Jul 21 10:45:26 2005 From: erik at erikheerlein.com (Erik Heerlein) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:45:26 -0400 Subject: [thelist] current PHP: PEAR, etc? In-Reply-To: <42DF468C.4060504@neptunewebworks.com> References: <42DD3903.8020108@worlddomination.net> <42DF468C.4060504@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <9590c2e4d79a345413d8cd296eb35139@erikheerlein.com> > I can recommend a dead-tree resource: check out David Sklar's Essential > PHP Tools. It covers a few of the more ubiquitous PEAR packages, such > as PEAR::DB, PEAR::Auth, PEAR::HTML_QuickForm, PEAR::SOAP and > PEAR::XML_RPC (it also covers ADOdb and Smarty). HTML_QuickForm NYPHP May 25, 2004. New York, NY David Sklar http://www.sklar.com/talks/index.php/nyphp-quickform I found his book, "Essential PHP Tools" to be confusing about HTML_Quickform though. It was an overview and not too specific, the examples I found confusing, I found the web site and PEAR docs to be more helpful. Erik Heerlein erik at erikheerlein.com From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Jul 21 12:47:09 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:47:09 -0700 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42DFDF9D.3040905@neptunewebworks.com> Jay Blanchard wrote: > I have used quite a few. Here is a very complete list > http://www.thelinuxconsultancy.co.uk/phpeditors.php Hm. That list is venerable, but ancient. My favorite is PHPEdit (v1.2.3), a lot of respectable types seem to favor Eclipse and UltraEdit. None of the above will "talk" to your RDBMS. Use a good DB Admin app for that instead. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From pwakeford at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 12:47:51 2005 From: pwakeford at gmail.com (Peter Wakeford) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:47:51 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? Message-ID: <004301c58e1c$5614f650$0200a8c0@PHOENIX> Hi, are there any affordable solutions for integrating a radius search from a specified address. For example, returning all zip codes or addresses withing 'x' miles from a specified address. I'd like to integrate this radius/proximity searching into an existing website. Most of the products out there seem to offer a web service that is subscription-based and/or transaction-based. Are there any alternative solutions out there or is this the way to go? I've briefly explored (still waiting for responses from customer service for pricing): - Microsoft MapPoint web service - MapQuest's Site Advantage Web service - Yahoo maps web service (free, but limited to 5000 queries/day) Peter From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Jul 21 12:51:52 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:51:52 -0700 Subject: [thelist] current PHP: PEAR, etc? In-Reply-To: <9590c2e4d79a345413d8cd296eb35139@erikheerlein.com> References: <42DD3903.8020108@worlddomination.net> <42DF468C.4060504@neptunewebworks.com> <9590c2e4d79a345413d8cd296eb35139@erikheerlein.com> Message-ID: <42DFE0B8.80301@neptunewebworks.com> Erik Heerlein wrote: >> I can recommend a dead-tree resource: check out David Sklar's Essential >> PHP Tools. > I found his book, "Essential PHP Tools" to be confusing about > HTML_Quickform though. It was an overview and not too specific, the > examples I found confusing, I found the web site and PEAR docs to be > more helpful. Heh. I had the opposite experience. To each his own! Though there are some QuickForm elements he does not cover at all - e.g. the autocomplete element. Still, that book is a decent intro to some of the more ubiquitous PEAR packages, if not exhaustive. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From evolt at roselli.org Thu Jul 21 13:37:05 2005 From: evolt at roselli.org (aardvark) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:37:05 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Post format Message-ID: <42DFB311.26112.14F77187@localhost> On 21 Jul 2005 at 3:02, Rick Faaberg wrote: [...] > Oh, I see. All that's needed is a bit of enforcement. But on a volunteer > list that might not happen. I certainly never want to be the enforcer if > that is not my job! ;-] [...] rick, as an all-volunteer list, it's hard to have a moderator acting as a moderator... so we're self-policing... back when i was actively moderating, i kept all my 'enforcement' off- list so that it didn't embarrass or contribute to the noise... that being said, one issue that get's peoples' knickers in a bunch is when someone creates a new thread by replying to an existing thread... not only does it show up in the archives as part of an unrelated thread, but it also messes with members who have their mail clients set to a threaded view... also, take a look at the headers of each post -- all you should need is in there (unsub info, help, archive, posting address, etc.)... and then there's the link in the footer... since the list is made up of web professionals, we'd like to trust that the membership knows enough to consult the built-in documentation before posting... From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 14:11:13 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:11:13 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? In-Reply-To: <004301c58e1c$5614f650$0200a8c0@PHOENIX> References: <004301c58e1c$5614f650$0200a8c0@PHOENIX> Message-ID: Yes there are. In the PHP world there is a free script that comes with 40000 zip codes and the lat and long data. I'll see if I can find it. On 7/21/05, Peter Wakeford wrote: > Hi, > > are there any affordable solutions for integrating a radius search from a specified address. For example, returning all zip codes or addresses withing 'x' miles from a specified address. I'd like to integrate this radius/proximity searching into an existing website. > > Most of the products out there seem to offer a web service that is subscription-based and/or transaction-based. Are there any alternative solutions out there or is this the way to go? > > I've briefly explored (still waiting for responses from customer service for pricing): > - Microsoft MapPoint web service > - MapQuest's Site Advantage Web service > - Yahoo maps web service (free, but limited to 5000 queries/day) > > > Peter > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- Get Firefox! From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 14:18:36 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:18:36 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? In-Reply-To: References: <004301c58e1c$5614f650$0200a8c0@PHOENIX> Message-ID: Here is a zip code range and distance calculation class. http://www.micahcarrick.com/v2/content/view/4/3/ let me know if thats what you are looking for. On 7/21/05, Dan McCullough wrote: > Yes there are. In the PHP world there is a free script that comes > with 40000 zip codes and the lat and long data. > > I'll see if I can find it. > > On 7/21/05, Peter Wakeford wrote: > > Hi, > > > > are there any affordable solutions for integrating a radius search from a specified address. For example, returning all zip codes or addresses withing 'x' miles from a specified address. I'd like to integrate this radius/proximity searching into an existing website. > > > > Most of the products out there seem to offer a web service that is subscription-based and/or transaction-based. Are there any alternative solutions out there or is this the way to go? > > > > I've briefly explored (still waiting for responses from customer service for pricing): > > - Microsoft MapPoint web service > > - MapQuest's Site Advantage Web service > > - Yahoo maps web service (free, but limited to 5000 queries/day) > > > > > > Peter > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > > -- > Get > Firefox! > -- Get Firefox! From evolt at roselli.org Thu Jul 21 14:29:48 2005 From: evolt at roselli.org (aardvark) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:29:48 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Post format In-Reply-To: <42DFB311.26112.14F77187@localhost> Message-ID: <42DFBF6C.22740.1527B358@localhost> On 21 Jul 2005 at 14:37, aardvark wrote: [...] > since the list is made up of web professionals, we'd like to trust > that the membership knows enough to consult the built-in > documentation before posting... ok, that reads much meaner 15 mins later than i actually intended... so, um, don't read into the mood, because there isn't one... it really is just a matter-of-fact post... From nepolon at worlddomination.net Thu Jul 21 14:48:16 2005 From: nepolon at worlddomination.net (Steve Lewis) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:48:16 -0700 Subject: [thelist] current PHP: PEAR, etc? In-Reply-To: <42DD5339.8000806@gmail.com> References: <42DD3903.8020108@worlddomination.net> <42DD5339.8000806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42DFFC00.8050606@worlddomination.net> Matt Warden wrote: > Steve Lewis wrote: >>(I have been doing OO programming longer than PHP has been around). I > I would hope so! Learning OOP in PHP is not something I would suggest ;-) Oh, stinky bait. I will agree and hope that nobody bites. :) > I would suggest also taking a look at the Horde framework[4] and the > binarycload framework[5], although I have not used the latter. Those looks like nice tools to have on the belt. Thx. -- Steve Lewis From nepolon at worlddomination.net Thu Jul 21 14:54:57 2005 From: nepolon at worlddomination.net (Steve Lewis) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:54:57 -0700 Subject: [thelist] current PHP: PEAR, etc? In-Reply-To: <42DFE0B8.80301@neptunewebworks.com> References: <42DD3903.8020108@worlddomination.net> <42DF468C.4060504@neptunewebworks.com> <9590c2e4d79a345413d8cd296eb35139@erikheerlein.com> <42DFE0B8.80301@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <42DFFD91.4040303@worlddomination.net> Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > Erik Heerlein wrote: > >>>I can recommend a dead-tree resource: check out David Sklar's Essential >>>PHP Tools. >> >>I found his book, "Essential PHP Tools" to be confusing about >>HTML_Quickform though. It was an overview and not too specific, the >>examples I found confusing, I found the web site and PEAR docs to be >>more helpful. > Heh. I had the opposite experience. To each his own! Though there are > some QuickForm elements he does not cover at all - e.g. the autocomplete > element. Still, that book is a decent intro to some of the more > ubiquitous PEAR packages, if not exhaustive. Thanks for the tips and opinions. Next time I make it up to a real technical bookstore I will take the time to sit and browse that one. Here is one for all the Java/jsp devs A top notch UID generator for Java: http://www.javaexchange.com/aboutRandomGUID.html -- SteveL From trvalentine at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 15:07:30 2005 From: trvalentine at gmail.com (T. R. Valentine) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:07:30 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Post format In-Reply-To: <42DFBF6C.22740.1527B358@localhost> References: <42DFB311.26112.14F77187@localhost> <42DFBF6C.22740.1527B358@localhost> Message-ID: On 21/07/05, aardvark wrote: > On 21 Jul 2005 at 14:37, aardvark wrote: > [...] > > since the list is made up of web professionals, we'd like to trust > > that the membership knows enough to consult the built-in > > documentation before posting... > > ok, that reads much meaner 15 mins later than i actually intended... > > so, um, don't read into the mood, because there isn't one... it > really is just a matter-of-fact post... I laughed at the first message. In my experience, IT people are some of the worst when it comes to reading instructions! We think we know it already. :-D -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). From RPringle at aurora-il.org Thu Jul 21 15:52:18 2005 From: RPringle at aurora-il.org (Pringle, Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:52:18 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP/VBScript Byte conversion Message-ID: <4A27645B1A4F4D4181909FA5D213FEF402C7CA@coaexb.coa.aurora-il.org> ASP and VBScript. I'm using the ASP File Object to return the size of a PDF in bytes. I want to convert and display the size in MB/KB/Bytes, depending on the size. I've googled around a bit for code examples but haven't found anything. Can anyone point me in the right direction? TIA Regards, Ron From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Jul 21 16:07:17 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:07:17 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASP/VBScript Byte conversion Message-ID: > I'm using the ASP File Object to return the size of a PDF in > bytes. I want > to convert and display the size in MB/KB/Bytes, depending on the size. Are you talking about the mathematical conversion, just dividing by 1024 from bytes to kilobytes, the same from kilobytes to megabytes? Or are you looking for more than that? joel From RPringle at aurora-il.org Thu Jul 21 16:30:23 2005 From: RPringle at aurora-il.org (Pringle, Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:30:23 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP/VBScript Byte conversion Message-ID: <4A27645B1A4F4D4181909FA5D213FEF4029793@coaexb.coa.aurora-il.org> > > I'm using the ASP File Object to return the size of a PDF in > > bytes. I want > > to convert and display the size in MB/KB/Bytes, depending > on the size. > > Are you talking about the mathematical conversion, just > dividing by 1024 > from bytes to kilobytes, the same from kilobytes to megabytes? Or are > you looking for more than that? > > joel Joel- Mathematical conversion. I think I solved my own problem though. This code seems to be working: <% Function SetBytes(Bytes) If Bytes >= 1073741824 Then SetBytes = Round(FormatNumber(Bytes / 1024 / 1024 / 1024, 2), 0) & " GB" ElseIf Bytes >= 1048576 Then SetBytes = Round(FormatNumber(Bytes / 1024 / 1024, 2), 0) & " MB" ElseIf Bytes >= 1024 Then SetBytes = Round(FormatNumber(Bytes / 1024, 2), 0) & " KB" ElseIf Bytes < 1024 Then SetBytes = Bytes & " Bytes" Else SetBytes = "0 Bytes" End If End Function %> Ron From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Jul 21 17:31:15 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:31:15 -0700 Subject: [thelist] artificial sort order in db generated online form Message-ID: We have a form available on our intranet and external site which they've decided will be generated from a database; field name, validation info, display text, categories, etc. The categories, and items within each, are sorted in a manner which makes sense to our business but requires a 'sort field' Anyone have experience with a smart way to do this which allows for growth? As new categories are added, we have to tuck a new value into the sort field. The guy who built and populated the db put the initial values in, and then just numbered them sequentially. So, when I tuck in a new category or item, I have to renumber everything after it. My thought was to do the sort numbers in 100s; f'rinstance, with 9 categories they'd be 100, 200, 300, . . . 800, 900 and I could add in 750, then 725, 730, 710, and never have to renumber (we do eventually remove old items, but that's with an 'enable/disable' bit field.) We'll never have more than a dozen categories, nor more than two dozen items in any category. Does this make sense, or is there a better way? thanks joel From pwakeford at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 17:41:12 2005 From: pwakeford at gmail.com (Peter Wakeford) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:41:12 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? References: <004301c58e1c$5614f650$0200a8c0@PHOENIX> Message-ID: <00eb01c58e45$4f9639a0$0200a8c0@PHOENIX> Thanks for the class Dan, this is probably what I'm looking for but will need to port it over to ASP/SQL. The only con with this class is that occassionally the SQL table for the zips will have to be updated manually and I won't know where to begin with that. I'm not sure if this will be an issue or not, however the radius search will be used on a realty site where property is being developed all the time, all over the show. Are there any alternative solutions out there? Otherwise I think this is a good idea. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan McCullough" To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? Here is a zip code range and distance calculation class. http://www.micahcarrick.com/v2/content/view/4/3/ let me know if thats what you are looking for. From pwakeford at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 18:00:35 2005 From: pwakeford at gmail.com (Peter Wakeford) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:00:35 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? References: <004301c58e1c$5614f650$0200a8c0@PHOENIX> Message-ID: <001601c58e48$038a6c40$0200a8c0@PHOENIX> Just received the following quotation for MapPoint's web service: "The price packages for the MapPoint Web Service will vary based on the level of functionality and the volume of transactions. They are currently based on a Standard Platform Access Fee of $8,000 or an Advanced Access Fee (includes driving directions) of $15,000. Both Access Fees include 500,000 transactions. Additional Usage Fees are based on the number of transactions that are processed through the web service. " Sheesh that's quiet expensive if you ask me. From evolt at matchpenalty.com Thu Jul 21 18:15:23 2005 From: evolt at matchpenalty.com (Roger Ly) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:15:23 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? In-Reply-To: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A011B34B0@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com> Message-ID: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A16EFB4@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com> >"The price packages for the MapPoint Web Service will vary based on the >level of functionality and the volume of transactions. They are currently >based on a Standard Platform Access Fee of $8,000 or an Advanced Access Fee > (includes driving directions) of $15,000. Both Access Fees include >500,000 transactions. Peter, If you want to take raw data and import it yourself into your own database, you can use the Tiger/LINE data available by the US Census Bureau at http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/. It has a bunch of raw data (which you will need to parse out) which maps streets and street numbers to zip codes and lat/long ranges. With this data, you can do a search for a valid street address, and find its corresponding location in lat/long. And best of all, its free! It has a ton of data (about 650MB dumped in MySQL, in my case) but it offers a lot of flexibility. The drawbacks are that you still need to write a fairly straightforward algorithm to do your range queries. I have seen algorithms written in Perl, etc., but haven't been able to find code in Java (which is why I had to write my own). Roger From markgroen at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 20:40:31 2005 From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:40:31 -0700 Subject: [thelist] artificial sort order in db generated online form References: Message-ID: <003701c58e5e$59f007a0$6400a8c0@vn.shawcable.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Canfield, Joel" <> To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: [thelist] artificial sort order in db generated online form The categories, and items within each, are sorted in a manner which makes sense to our business but requires a 'sort field' Rather than mess up your nice database that up to this point seems to be working fine for you, why not just sort the output on the client side, or rather, let them sort the columns the way they want: http://www.mattkruse.com/javascript/sorttable/ As long as your display output is a table.... cheers, Mark From earthwrk at earthlink.net Thu Jul 21 21:23:44 2005 From: earthwrk at earthlink.net (Bill Scheider) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:23:44 -0700 Subject: [thelist] embedding (?) audio Message-ID: Hi there, A friend who's a musician asked me to put a small site together for him, which is an easy enough request. The problem: he wants to have samples of his recordings available on the site and I've never worked with audio files before. But, it might be a good time for me to learn! Would someone point me in the direction of some good online resources or share some advice about how to go about this, how complex (or easy) it might be (I've been designing sites only for about two years and just completed my first all-CSS site about a month ago), and maybe some problems I can anticipate? (I may not have been designing sites long, but it's long enough to know I better anticipate problems!). Thanks for any and all pointers and help. Bill Scheider From discuss at alphanumeric.cz Thu Jul 21 21:37:29 2005 From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 04:37:29 +0200 Subject: [thelist] embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E05BE9.9090502@alphanumeric.cz> If they should be just for listening and not downloading, use some kind of Flash MP3 player, it's pretty efficent solution. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com From markus at staas.biz Thu Jul 21 21:52:06 2005 From: markus at staas.biz (markus at staas.biz) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 04:52:06 +0200 Subject: [thelist] embedding (?) audio Message-ID: <200507220252.BHU24759@ms12.netsolmail.com> I would look at Flash to embed audio in websites, you can use the mp3 codec and streaming features as well as let users skip, stop, pause and so on the music when using a simple flash mp3. Check flashkit.com , I am sure they have a range of players online. Cheers, Markus From erik at erikheerlein.com Thu Jul 21 22:41:07 2005 From: erik at erikheerlein.com (Erik Heerlein) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:41:07 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? In-Reply-To: References: <004301c58e1c$5614f650$0200a8c0@PHOENIX> Message-ID: <64b6294bba246fc293548937cbbb3150@erikheerlein.com> > are there any affordable solutions for integrating a radius search > from a specified address. For example, returning all zip codes or > addresses withing 'x' miles from a specified address. I'd like to > integrate this radius/proximity searching into an existing website. I believe once I saw some code to do that which was basically a poor man's way of doing it without map coordinates. Since zip codes are bunched together, 29412 is next to 29487 and so on, you search for matches between zip codes. Stores with zip codes between 90210 and 90300 are close together. So you add 100 and subtract 100 to the customers zip code that they entered and you search in that range. Works pretty good for, "Find a dealer in your area". Through trial and error you can figure out that say, +200/-200 to the zip code gives you stores within 60 miles or whatever. Increase the range and you increase your search area. Like I said, not very scientific, but it seemed to work pretty well. Erik Heerlein erik at erikheerlein.com From donnajjones at gwi.net Fri Jul 22 00:48:56 2005 From: donnajjones at gwi.net (Donna Jones) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:48:56 -0400 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> Message-ID: <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> Sarah, the unexplained margins are the default margins from the browser for the paragraphs. If you add, p {margin: 0; padding: 0; } into your css, you'll see the margins go away. I just started learning css-positioning in January and still feel like a newbie, too. you made me remember a "template" i did not too long ago, all the colors brought it back, i think. its here if you want to look, http://www.westendwebs.net/css_class/template.htm not the layout you want but our minds were thinking the same way - getting rid of the margins and such. hth Donna Sarah Sweeney wrote: >> I'm a newbie myself, but seeing no-one seems to have answered, try >> something >> like the following: >> >> > > > Thanks, David, this seems to (almost) work: > http://sarah.designshift.com/test/20050719-layout1.html > except for the unexplained margins at the top and bottom of the content > div. Any ideas? > > Also, should I worry about using absolute positioning, i.e. are there > any potential consequences I need to worry about? > From justin at jazzmanagement.com.au Fri Jul 22 01:03:23 2005 From: justin at jazzmanagement.com.au (Justin Zachan Mgmt) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:03:23 +1000 Subject: [thelist] wireless router and a vpn? Message-ID: Hey there. Doing lots of research and I am confused. I would like to be able to connect to the office server from home using a VPN. I want to setup a wireless network at home and the office, since we have a couple of laptops now (1 mac and 1 pc). Currently just a non-wireless network at the office. So trying to figure out what is required for a VPN is the hard part.I can figure out the wireless network part OK. If anyone can recommend where to start (or even a solution) for a VPN (using wireless) that would be fantastic. Thanks in advance Cheers Justin From kris at kriskhaira.com Fri Jul 22 01:15:11 2005 From: kris at kriskhaira.com (Kris Khaira) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:15:11 +0800 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> Message-ID: If you'd like, you can also add this to the top of your CSS file: *, body {margin: 0; padding: 0; } That should overwrite everything. Examples of use: http://www.lifelogger.com/ and http://kriskhaira.com -- Kris Khaira Websites: http://kriskhaira.com / http://www.lifelogger.com On Jul 22, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Donna Jones wrote: > Sarah, the unexplained margins are the default margins from the > browser for the paragraphs. If you add, > p {margin: 0; padding: 0; } into your css, you'll see the margins go > away. > > I just started learning css-positioning in January and still feel like > a newbie, too. you made me remember a "template" i did not too long > ago, all the colors brought it back, i think. its here if you want to > look, > http://www.westendwebs.net/css_class/template.htm not the layout you > want but our minds were thinking the same way - getting rid of the > margins and such. > > hth > Donna From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 01:16:57 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:16:57 +0300 Subject: [thelist] embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: <200507220252.BHU24759@ms12.netsolmail.com> References: <200507220252.BHU24759@ms12.netsolmail.com> Message-ID: +1 for flash audio streaming http://ground.gr/play/index.php?p=19&c=1 HTH, Volkan. On 7/22/05, markus at staas.biz wrote: > I would look at Flash to embed audio in websites, you can > use the mp3 codec and streaming features as well as let > users skip, stop, pause and so on the music when using a > simple flash mp3. > > Check flashkit.com , I am sure they have a range of players > online. > > Cheers, > > Markus > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From rfaaberg at comcast.net Fri Jul 22 01:35:25 2005 From: rfaaberg at comcast.net (Rick Faaberg) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:35:25 -0700 Subject: [thelist] wireless router and a vpn? Message-ID: On 7/21/05 11:03 PM "Justin Zachan Mgmt" sent this out: > If anyone can recommend where to start (or even a solution) for a VPN (using > wireless) that would be fantastic. I haven't done much research on this, but I'm aware of: --- quoting Open VPN? "OpenVPN is a full-featured SSL VPN solution which can accomodate a wide range of configurations, including remote access, site-to-site VPNs, WiFi security, and enterprise-scale remote access solutions with load balancing, failover, and fine-grained access-controls (articles) (examples) (security overview) (non-english languages). OpenVPN implements OSI layer 2 or 3 secure network extension using the industry standard SSL/TLS protocol, supports flexible client authentication methods based on certificates, smart cards, and/or 2-factor authentication, and allows user or group-specific access control policies using firewall rules applied to the VPN virtual interface. OpenVPN is not a web application proxy and does not operate through a web browser. For a good conceptual introduction to OpenVPN, see the program notes for James Yonan's talk at Linux Fest Northwest 2004 -- Understanding the User-Space VPN: History, Conceptual Foundations, and Practical Usage. See also OpenVPN and the SSL VPN Revolution by Charlie Hosner. OpenVPN is an Open Source project and is licensed under the GPL. Commercial licenses are also available for firms who would like to redistribute OpenVPN with their own proprietary applications. Contact info at openvpn.net for more information. OpenVPN runs on: Linux, Windows 2000/XP and higher, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Mac OS X, and Solaris. --- end quoting Maybe check that out? Looks complicated to me, but that's just me. :-) Hth Rick Faaberg From kris at kriskhaira.com Fri Jul 22 01:56:19 2005 From: kris at kriskhaira.com (Kris Khaira) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:56:19 +0800 Subject: [thelist] wireless router and a vpn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OpenVPN is a cool solution which I use for home and work. Also read this http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/VPN-HOWTO/ Very complete and useful. -- Kris Khaira Websites: http://kriskhaira.com / http://www.lifelogger.com On Jul 22, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Rick Faaberg wrote: > On 7/21/05 11:03 PM "Justin Zachan Mgmt" > sent > this out: > >> If anyone can recommend where to start (or even a solution) for a VPN >> (using >> wireless) that would be fantastic. > > I haven't done much research on this, but I'm aware of: > > --- quoting > Open VPN? > > > "OpenVPN is a full-featured SSL VPN solution which can accomodate a > wide > range of configurations, including remote access, site-to-site VPNs, > WiFi > security, and enterprise-scale remote access solutions with load > balancing, failover, and fine-grained access-controls (articles) > (examples) (security overview) (non-english languages). From jeff at jeffhowden.com Fri Jul 22 02:46:40 2005 From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:46:40 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? In-Reply-To: <64b6294bba246fc293548937cbbb3150@erikheerlein.com> Message-ID: <20050722064403.22543.21510@hm-pop3.solinus.com> Erik, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Erik Heerlein > > I believe once I saw some code to do that which was > basically a poor man's way of doing it without map > coordinates. Since zip codes are bunched together, 29412 > is next to 29487 and so on, you search for matches > between zip codes. Stores with zip codes between 90210 > and 90300 are close together. So you add 100 and subtract > 100 to the customers zip code that they entered and you > search in that range. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Your method is based on a very flawed assumption, seemingly supported by examination of only a tiny subset of the data. Zip codes do *not* work that way. Anybody that provides a paying client with a dealer locator based on this logic is doing themselves and their client a major disservice. Even your example zip codes expose the flaw in the logic. By your method, you'd be missing out on 90069 (1.47 miles away), 90067 (1.93 miles away), 90048 (1.96 miles away), 90035 (2.49 miles away), 91614 (3.72 miles away), 91423 (4.93 miles away), etc. In fact, in some areas like zip code 90210 there are over 170+ zip codes within a 10 mile radius. http://zipfind.net/Results.aspx?ZIP1=90210&RADIUS=10&TYPE=RADIUS More in a post I made to the list almost 4 years ago: http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010924/058003.html Enjoy, [>] Jeff Howden jeff at jeffhowden.com http://jeffhowden.com/ From mrmazda at ij.net Fri Jul 22 03:57:17 2005 From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 04:57:17 -0400 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> Message-ID: <42E0B4ED.3BFF@ij.net> Donna Jones wrote: > Sarah, the unexplained margins are the default margins from the browser > for the paragraphs. If you add, > p {margin: 0; padding: 0; } into your css, you'll see the margins go away. > I just started learning css-positioning in January and still feel like a > newbie, too. you made me remember a "template" i did not too long ago, > all the colors brought it back, i think. its here if you want to look, > http://www.westendwebs.net/css_class/template.htm not the layout you > want but our minds were thinking the same way - getting rid of the > margins and such. You both may wish to take a look at these: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/15/emreallyem-undoing-htmlcss/ http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/19/global-ws-reset/ -- "If you love your children, you will be prompt to discipline them." Proverbs 13:24 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Jul 22 06:13:38 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:13:38 +1000 Subject: [thelist] wireless router and a vpn? Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BD3A@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Your client machines should have VPN clients built in. At the other end (e.g. your office) you need a VPN server (or endpoint). All you need to do is buy a wireless router/access point that supports acting as a VPN server. All the major vendors have such products. Alternatively, just buy a router that's a VPN server -and- attach a separate wireless access point. The router will do the routing, the wireless access point just rebroadcasts stuff wirelessly. Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Justin Zachan Mgmt : Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 4:03 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: [thelist] wireless router and a vpn? : : Hey there. Doing lots of research and I am confused. : : I would like to be able to connect to the office server from home using a : VPN. : : I want to setup a wireless network at home and the office, since we have a : couple of laptops now (1 mac and 1 pc). Currently just a non-wireless : network at the office. : : So trying to figure out what is required for a VPN is the hard part.I can : figure out the wireless network part OK. : : If anyone can recommend where to start (or even a solution) for a VPN : (using : wireless) that would be fantastic. From sam at iness.com Fri Jul 22 06:58:51 2005 From: sam at iness.com (Sam Carter) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:58:51 -0400 Subject: [thelist] I need to email SEO Ranking Reports Message-ID: <42E0DF7B.6040001@iness.com> I'm looking for a tool that will produce a SEO Ranking report that can be emailed either in HTML or as an attachment. (Most that I've seen produce web-based reports.) Any recommendations appreciated. Sam From skquinn at speakeasy.net Fri Jul 22 07:03:08 2005 From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:03:08 -0500 Subject: [thelist] embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1122033788.32572.51.camel@xevious> On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 19:23 -0700, Bill Scheider wrote: > Would someone point me in the direction of some good online resources or > share some advice about how to go about this, how complex (or easy) it might > be (I've been designing sites only for about two years and just completed my > first all-CSS site about a month ago), and maybe some problems I can > anticipate? (I may not have been designing sites long, but it's long enough > to know I better anticipate problems!). It's pretty simple: 1. Upload music file to server 2. In the appropriate HTML document, add: Listen to my song (adjust as appropriate) This will work 100% of the time and is valid HTML, unlike other proposed solutions. -- Shawn K. Quinn From skquinn at speakeasy.net Fri Jul 22 07:13:02 2005 From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:13:02 -0500 Subject: [thelist] embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: <200507220252.BHU24759@ms12.netsolmail.com> References: <200507220252.BHU24759@ms12.netsolmail.com> Message-ID: <1122034383.32572.59.camel@xevious> On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 04:52 +0200, markus at staas.biz wrote: > I would look at Flash to embed audio in websites, you can > use the mp3 codec and streaming features as well as let > users skip, stop, pause and so on the music when using a > simple flash mp3. It should be noted that many users deinstall the Flash plugin due to its abuse for advertising, assuming they even can run it to begin with. A responsible site creator should also offer a non-Flash alternative if deploying your suggestion. -- Shawn K. Quinn From philip at turmel.org Fri Jul 22 07:11:31 2005 From: philip at turmel.org (Phil Turmel) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:11:31 -0400 Subject: [thelist] wireless router and a vpn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E0E273.8010905@turmel.org> Rick Faaberg wrote: > On 7/21/05 11:03 PM "Justin Zachan Mgmt" sent > this out: > >>If anyone can recommend where to start (or even a solution) for a VPN (using >>wireless) that would be fantastic. > > I haven't done much research on this, but I'm aware of: > > --- quoting > Open VPN? > [snip /] > Maybe check that out? Looks complicated to me, but that's just me. :-) > > Hth > > Rick Faaberg +1 for OpenVPN. I use it to accomodate four home offices and five road warriors connecting to a mixed Linux/Windows office. I tried various IPsec based solutions, including the built-in Win2k features, but interoperability with Freeswan and native router solutions really sucked, largely due to dynamic addresses at home and on the road. OpenVPN shows up as a virtual ethernet adapter that can be addressed, routed to, or bridged like any other. Very flexible. With its TCP tunnel mode, NATs and dynamic addresses on the road are no problem. Only the office server needs a DNS-locatable address. The road warriors can stop their own OpenVPN service to connect otherwise seamlessly with DHCP at the office or any home. (Some static routing configuration required at the main office and each home office...) HTH, Phil From codepo8 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 07:14:28 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:14:28 +0100 Subject: [thelist] embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: <1122033788.32572.51.camel@xevious> References: <1122033788.32572.51.camel@xevious> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05072205145da07074@mail.gmail.com> On 7/22/05, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 19:23 -0700, Bill Scheider wrote: > > Would someone point me in the direction of some good online resources or > > share some advice about how to go about this, how complex (or easy) it might > > be (I've been designing sites only for about two years and just completed my > > first all-CSS site about a month ago), and maybe some problems I can > > anticipate? (I may not have been designing sites long, but it's long enough > > to know I better anticipate problems!). > > It's pretty simple: > > 1. Upload music file to server > 2. In the appropriate HTML document, add: href="mysong.ogg">Listen to my song (adjust as appropriate) > > This will work 100% of the time and is valid HTML, unlike other proposed > solutions. But it should tell the visitor what it is and how big, to be fully usable. Listen to my song (OGG Vorbis,VBR, 5.12MB) :-) And yes, you want music, and also stream it - use Flash. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 07:24:53 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:24:53 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? In-Reply-To: <20050722064403.22543.21510@hm-pop3.solinus.com> References: <64b6294bba246fc293548937cbbb3150@erikheerlein.com> <20050722064403.22543.21510@hm-pop3.solinus.com> Message-ID: I have one that uses log and lat coordinates I'll have to zip it up and export the database. On 7/22/05, Jeff Howden wrote: > Erik, > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > From: Erik Heerlein > > > > I believe once I saw some code to do that which was > > basically a poor man's way of doing it without map > > coordinates. Since zip codes are bunched together, 29412 > > is next to 29487 and so on, you search for matches > > between zip codes. Stores with zip codes between 90210 > > and 90300 are close together. So you add 100 and subtract > > 100 to the customers zip code that they entered and you > > search in that range. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > Your method is based on a very flawed assumption, seemingly supported by > examination of only a tiny subset of the data. Zip codes do *not* work that > way. Anybody that provides a paying client with a dealer locator based on > this logic is doing themselves and their client a major disservice. > > Even your example zip codes expose the flaw in the logic. By your method, > you'd be missing out on 90069 (1.47 miles away), 90067 (1.93 miles away), > 90048 (1.96 miles away), 90035 (2.49 miles away), 91614 (3.72 miles away), > 91423 (4.93 miles away), etc. In fact, in some areas like zip code 90210 > there are over 170+ zip codes within a 10 mile radius. > > http://zipfind.net/Results.aspx?ZIP1=90210&RADIUS=10&TYPE=RADIUS > > More in a post I made to the list almost 4 years ago: > > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010924/058003.html > > Enjoy, > > [>] Jeff Howden > jeff at jeffhowden.com > http://jeffhowden.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From foster.michele at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 07:26:45 2005 From: foster.michele at gmail.com (Michele Foster) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:26:45 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox Message-ID: <31a2409705072205264a92dc0a@mail.gmail.com> Can someone remind me how to set up the permissions to allow Firefox (and others) to access my localhost? IE is working fine. It is not the hosts file, as 127.0.0.1 localhost, already exists there. This is for WinXP Professional. TIA, Michele -- Michele Foster Mishka's Playground - http://mishka.ca/ WizarDev - http://wizardev.ca/ From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 07:32:51 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:32:51 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? In-Reply-To: References: <64b6294bba246fc293548937cbbb3150@erikheerlein.com> <20050722064403.22543.21510@hm-pop3.solinus.com> Message-ID: the database -> http://www.sanisoft.com/ziploc/phpZipLocatorData.zip the code -> http://www.sanisoft.com/ziploc/phpZipLocator.zip On 7/22/05, Dan McCullough wrote: > I have one that uses log and lat coordinates I'll have to zip it up > and export the database. > > On 7/22/05, Jeff Howden wrote: > > Erik, > > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > > From: Erik Heerlein > > > > > > I believe once I saw some code to do that which was > > > basically a poor man's way of doing it without map > > > coordinates. Since zip codes are bunched together, 29412 > > > is next to 29487 and so on, you search for matches > > > between zip codes. Stores with zip codes between 90210 > > > and 90300 are close together. So you add 100 and subtract > > > 100 to the customers zip code that they entered and you > > > search in that range. > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > > > Your method is based on a very flawed assumption, seemingly supported by > > examination of only a tiny subset of the data. Zip codes do *not* work that > > way. Anybody that provides a paying client with a dealer locator based on > > this logic is doing themselves and their client a major disservice. > > > > Even your example zip codes expose the flaw in the logic. By your method, > > you'd be missing out on 90069 (1.47 miles away), 90067 (1.93 miles away), > > 90048 (1.96 miles away), 90035 (2.49 miles away), 91614 (3.72 miles away), > > 91423 (4.93 miles away), etc. In fact, in some areas like zip code 90210 > > there are over 170+ zip codes within a 10 mile radius. > > > > http://zipfind.net/Results.aspx?ZIP1=90210&RADIUS=10&TYPE=RADIUS > > > > More in a post I made to the list almost 4 years ago: > > > > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010924/058003.html > > > > Enjoy, > > > > [>] Jeff Howden > > jeff at jeffhowden.com > > http://jeffhowden.com/ > > > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Fri Jul 22 07:38:38 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:38:38 +1000 Subject: [thelist] embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: <1122034383.32572.59.camel@xevious> References: <200507220252.BHU24759@ms12.netsolmail.com> <1122034383.32572.59.camel@xevious> Message-ID: <42E0E8CE.4070604@pennyonthesidewalk.com> Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > >It should be noted that many users deinstall the Flash plugin due to its >abuse for advertising, assuming they even can run it to begin with. > > It should be noted, too, that many users disable image viewing due to its abuse for advertising, or bandwidth, assuming they can even receive them to begin with. >A responsible site creator should also offer a non-Flash alternative if >deploying your suggestion. > > It should also be noted that whilst a lowest common denominator option should always be available, that there is a reasonable expectation that on a musician or band's website, there may well be 'inline' audio. Just as a (graphic) designer or photographer's website may just have the odd image or two. Balance the needs of availability and experience. If you do it via a Flash player, or any other means, also offer a 'offline' download option. But don't feel that such options must be avoided like the plague, either. Robert From joshua at waetech.com Fri Jul 22 08:22:54 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:22:54 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: <31a2409705072205264a92dc0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michele Foster > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:27 AM > > Can someone remind me how to set up the permissions to allow > Firefox (and others) to access my localhost? IE is working fine. It > is not the hosts file, as 127.0.0.1 localhost, > already exists there. > This is for WinXP Professional. Michele, I don't know the answer to this specific question, but I'd like to observe something. 127.0.0.1 is the loopback address for your computer. Your NICs also have IP addresses assigned to them. If you are attempting to access the webserver on your local machine, you could also use one of those locally assigned IP's. Firefox should have no quarrel in regards to DNS resolution through the hosts file if you assign a domain name to a local IP address and then use that domain name to access your webserver through the browser. <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 413.812.4864 Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From caseyc at thecrookstons.com Thu Jul 21 15:38:56 2005 From: caseyc at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:38:56 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Funny tables in Firefox: height = 100% References: <002d01c58d4b$1a1f9c30$6664a8c0@Papabear> <003501c58dcc$9ee94660$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> Message-ID: <00f601c58e34$37b7c080$6664a8c0@Papabear> I asked: Take a look at www.internetopus.com in both IE and Firefox (or Netscape). Usually it's a case of something working in FF but not in IE, but this time it's the opposite. Notice how the table height behaves properly in IE but is uneven in FF? Visit a few other pages and it becomes even more painful. Mark said: I tried saving it locally, but then I couldn't replicate the problem...As a guess, how about removing the height attribute from the td in the code above? I replied: No love. Again, it sure is weird how when you hit the refresh button in FF it snaps to how it should be. Is this just a bug in FF, or can my HTML be improved? Thanks, Casey From erik at erikheerlein.com Fri Jul 22 08:42:24 2005 From: erik at erikheerlein.com (Erik Heerlein) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:42:24 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Proximity/Radius searching? In-Reply-To: <20050722064403.22543.21510@hm-pop3.solinus.com> References: <20050722064403.22543.21510@hm-pop3.solinus.com> Message-ID: > Your method is based on a very flawed assumption, seemingly supported > by > examination of only a tiny subset of the data. Zip codes do *not* > work that > way. Anybody that provides a paying client with a dealer locator > based on > this logic is doing themselves and their client a major disservice. I agree, it's not the best way to do it. It was just a way to get it done quickly and the client understood it wasn't a scientific method. I didn't write it, the previous programmer did, but yeah, you can call it the "duct tape" solution. Erik Heerlein erik at erikheerlein.com From mrees at itsagoodprice.com Fri Jul 22 09:22:50 2005 From: mrees at itsagoodprice.com (Mark Rees) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:50 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox References: <20050722140259.1CF2C61B2D@web2.ripple10.co.uk> Message-ID: <010701c58ec8$d7830ae0$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Olson" To: "'Michele Foster'" ; Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michele Foster > > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:27 AM > > > > Can someone remind me how to set up the permissions to allow > > Firefox (and others) to access my localhost? IE is working fine. It > > is not the hosts file, as 127.0.0.1 localhost, > > already exists there. > > > This is for WinXP Professional. > Is this anything to do with the proxy settings, perhaps (assuming you are using a proxy)? Tools->Options->Connection Settings Manual proxy configuration Fill in localhost and 127.0.0.1 under "No proxy for:" From eku at johnsonHQ.com Fri Jul 22 09:32:29 2005 From: eku at johnsonHQ.com (Mike Johnson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:32:29 -0500 Subject: [thelist] connecting to mail server Message-ID: <20050722143230.OXLA11059.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@ODEMS> I?m trying to get some simple email forms to work using Persits asp mail sender but can?t get it to connect to the mail server, the connection always times out. I?ve also installed Moodle on the webserver but none of the email functions with that will work either. Our mail server admin is trying to research the problem. He says the ?mail server is not part of the domain that that all other computers are on?. He says he added the web server to the list of allowed connections but it still doesn?t work. It is an exchange email server. I have no access to change settings on the mail server but thought maybe someone could give me some ideas to pass on to him. Thanks for any help, Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 From ron.luther at hp.com Fri Jul 22 09:46:45 2005 From: ron.luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:46:45 -0500 Subject: [thelist] artificial sort order in db generated online form Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76D60@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Joel Canfield asked about database sort stuff: Hi Joel! >>My thought was to do the sort numbers in 100s; f'rinstance, with 9 categories >>they'd be 100, 200, 300, . . . 800, 900 and I could add in 750, then 725, 730, >>710, and never have to renumber (we do eventually remove old items, but that's >>We'll never have more than a dozen categories, nor more than two dozen items >>in any category. Because of the 'small' number of categories and items you have, this could work ... but it requires manual upkeep. Another (similar) alternative would be to type your sort field as 'text'. That should give you a little more flexibility for inserting records between record number "2" and record number "3"! (Cuz you could go "2", "2A", "2AA", "2B", etc.) But that also requires manual care and feeding. >>Anyone have experience with a smart way to do this which allows for growth? Maybe ... I saw a company that had a 'valid part numbers' database. It was pretty good sized. (0.5M records? 2.0+M records? ... I don't remember.) Anyway, they wanted every application from every system everywhere in the world to present those part numbers in the exact same order. [Consistency is a good thing!] Here's what they did: (1) Start with the multi-column database of part numbers (or other stuff). (2) Write an app that applies all the fancy 'business rules' to sort the records in a unique order. App reads in "table" and writes out "table + new field containing this new unique numeric sort number". (3) The version of the table with the new sort number field is then distributed to all the app folks/systems/critters. As long as you remind the app folks not to 'search' on this sort field, (Cuz the same record of data could be record number "345" today and record number "1029" tomorrow.), it works fine ... and (unless the biz rules change), it never needs manual fiddling! HTH, RonL. From codepo8 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 09:49:39 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:49:39 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: <31a2409705072205264a92dc0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <31a2409705072205264a92dc0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd050722074958f66ab3@mail.gmail.com> > Can someone remind me how to set up the permissions to allow Firefox (and > others) to access my localhost? IE is working fine. It is not the hosts > file, as 127.0.0.1 localhost, already exists there. > This is for WinXP Professional. Have you tried "localhost" instead of the IP? I never had that problem, my guess is that your proxy/firewall settings are to blame. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From sarah at designshift.com Fri Jul 22 10:09:56 2005 From: sarah at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:09:56 -0300 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> Message-ID: <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> > Sarah, the unexplained margins are the default margins from the browser > for the paragraphs. If you add, > p {margin: 0; padding: 0; } into your css, you'll see the margins go away. This does seem to work, and yet it seems like an awfully extreme way to get rid of these margins. Can anyone suggest a way to keep paragraph margins but get rid of the margins around my content div? -- sarah sweeney family: http://geekjock.ca wedding: http://wedding.geekjock.ca blog: http://hardedge.ca portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Jul 22 10:13:13 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:13:13 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox Message-ID: Sounds like you've got Windows authentication (NT Challenge/Response) turned on in IIS. Currently, IE is the only browser that supports this method of authentication. From: Christian Heilmann codepo8 at gmail.com > Can someone remind me how to set up the permissions to allow Firefox (and > others) to access my localhost? IE is working fine. It is not the hosts > file, as 127.0.0.1 localhost, already exists there. > This is for WinXP Professional. From mrees at itsagoodprice.com Fri Jul 22 10:25:57 2005 From: mrees at itsagoodprice.com (Mark Rees) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:25:57 +0100 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> Message-ID: <011901c58ed1$a8dd6d80$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> > > Sarah, the unexplained margins are the default margins from the browser > > for the paragraphs. If you add, > > p {margin: 0; padding: 0; } into your css, you'll see the margins go away. > > This does seem to work, and yet it seems like an awfully extreme way to > get rid of these margins. Can anyone suggest a way to keep paragraph > margins but get rid of the margins around my content div? One option is to extend the paragraph class like this when you do want margins/padding/etc

this has a 12px margin

this doesn't

From morrison.ben at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 10:29:42 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:29:42 +0100 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> Message-ID: <6073aef905072208296247d8ec@mail.gmail.com> > This does seem to work, and yet it seems like an awfully extreme way to > get rid of these margins. Can anyone suggest a way to keep paragraph > margins but get rid of the margins around my content div? Quick fix: .nomargin {margin:0; }

ben From pixelmech at yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 10:31:43 2005 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] JSP question Message-ID: <20050722153143.61051.qmail@web51401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a fairly simple JSP page that has this in it: <% if (request.getParameter("epi_menuItemID").equals("acc2d82162c12ae00e8340f573a48a0c")) { %> id="current" <% } %> Is there a problem there? Here is the error I get: D:\\FoundationServer\\portal\\templates\\template0002\\RRdWeYXSZUQfaVfQZQdUQdUUXTaUYaQc\\horizontal_svm_sp3.jsp:160: Syntax: Unexpected symbol ignored This page is in the context of an old Epicentric portal web site, so it's possible something else might be affecting it - I don't know enough about Java and JSP to really know, but it seems like this should work... If I do <%= request.getParameter("epi_menuItemID") %> it correctly writes out the param with no error. http://www.pixelmech.com/ Melissa: Ace, Where are you? Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. From mr.sanders at designshift.com Fri Jul 22 10:39:38 2005 From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:39:38 -0300 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <011901c58ed1$a8dd6d80$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> <011901c58ed1$a8dd6d80$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> Message-ID: <42E1133A.8090108@designshift.com> > One option is to extend the paragraph class like this when you do want > margins/padding/etc > > >

this has a 12px margin

this doesn't

I wish I could do this, but the site uses a CMS, so I don't have this kind of control over the contents of the content div. Besides which, it's very un-semantic, and makes me feel kinda icky :P -- sarah sweeney web developer & programmer portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com blog: http://hardedge.ca From morrison.ben at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 10:40:43 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:40:43 +0100 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <6073aef905072208296247d8ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> <6073aef905072208296247d8ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6073aef905072208407f7fe08b@mail.gmail.com> On 7/22/05, ben morrison wrote: > > This does seem to work, and yet it seems like an awfully extreme way to > > get rid of these margins. Can anyone suggest a way to keep paragraph > > margins but get rid of the margins around my content div? > In fact if you give content some padding this will fix your problem and is probably the desired effect anyhow. #content{ margin:0 0 0 250px; background-color:pink; padding:10px; } ben From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Jul 22 10:44:19 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:44:19 -0700 Subject: [thelist] artificial sort order in db generated online form Message-ID: > Rather than mess up your nice database that up to this point > seems to be working fine for you, why not just sort the > output on the client side, or rather, let them sort the > columns the way they want: > > http://www.mattkruse.com/javascript/sorttable/ > > As long as your display output is a table.... It's not, it's an online form. (All my tabular report screens are indeed sortable by the user.) joel From pixelmech at yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 10:47:38 2005 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] JSP question[solved] In-Reply-To: <20050722153143.61051.qmail@web51401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050722154739.45424.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > Hi, I have a fairly simple JSP page that has this in it: > > <% if (request.getParameter("epi_menuItemID").equals("acc2d82162c12ae00e8340f573a48a0c")) { %> > id="current" <% } %> Ah, turns out someone told me I needed this instead: <% if ("acc2d82162c12ae00e8340f573a48a0c".equals(request.getParameter("epi_menuItemID"))) { %> id="active"<%}%> which worked. Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ Melissa: Ace, Where are you? Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. From mr.sanders at designshift.com Fri Jul 22 10:52:05 2005 From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:52:05 -0300 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <6073aef905072208407f7fe08b@mail.gmail.com> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> <6073aef905072208296247d8ec@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef905072208407f7fe08b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42E11625.1040004@designshift.com> > In fact if you give content some padding this will fix your problem > and is probably the desired effect anyhow. > > #content{ > margin:0 0 0 250px; > background-color:pink; > padding:10px; > } Sweet! Seems to work for me in Firefox, Opera, IE 6 and 5.5, although not IE 5, but I'm not too worried about that, it's not like it completely breaks the layout. And since no one has raised any red flags about the use of absolute positioning, I'm happy to use it. Thanks as usual for all the help - thelist rocks!! -- sarah sweeney web developer & programmer portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com blog: http://hardedge.ca From markus at staas.biz Fri Jul 22 10:56:05 2005 From: markus at staas.biz (Markus Staas) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:56:05 +0600 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: <31a2409705072205264a92dc0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200507221555.BHW56858@ms12.netsolmail.com> Hi, it happened to me as well, as son as I typed http://localhost or the IP a password box would come up in firefox. There were no new permission to set, my problem was that the personal webserver installation was messed as I installed dotnet framework on my machine. I reinstalled pws after the dotnet installation and everything went fine I hope this might help you. Markus -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Michele Foster Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 18:27 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox Can someone remind me how to set up the permissions to allow Firefox (and others) to access my localhost? IE is working fine. It is not the hosts file, as 127.0.0.1 localhost, already exists there. This is for WinXP Professional. TIA, Michele -- Michele Foster Mishka's Playground - http://mishka.ca/ WizarDev - http://wizardev.ca/ -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From markus at staas.biz Fri Jul 22 11:01:16 2005 From: markus at staas.biz (Markus Staas) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:01:16 +0600 Subject: [thelist] uninstalling flash plugin because of ads was: embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: <1122034383.32572.59.camel@xevious> Message-ID: <200507221601.BHW58295@ms12.netsolmail.com> Sorry but I have not heard of one single user who uninstalls his or her flash plugins because of abuse of flash in ads. Is that really an issue? What do others say? Is there evidence supporting it? Would be interesting to know more. Cheers, Markus -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 18:13 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] embedding (?) audio On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 04:52 +0200, markus at staas.biz wrote: > I would look at Flash to embed audio in websites, you can > use the mp3 codec and streaming features as well as let > users skip, stop, pause and so on the music when using a > simple flash mp3. It should be noted that many users deinstall the Flash plugin due to its abuse for advertising, assuming they even can run it to begin with. A responsible site creator should also offer a non-Flash alternative if deploying your suggestion. -- Shawn K. Quinn -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From morrison.ben at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 11:07:41 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:07:41 +0100 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42E11625.1040004@designshift.com> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> <6073aef905072208296247d8ec@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef905072208407f7fe08b@mail.gmail.com> <42E11625.1040004@designshift.com> Message-ID: <6073aef905072209076adf04a2@mail.gmail.com> > Sweet! Seems to work for me in Firefox, Opera, IE 6 and 5.5, although > not IE 5, but I'm not too worried about that, it's not like it > completely breaks the layout. > > And since no one has raised any red flags about the use of absolute > positioning, I'm happy to use it. The only flag would be if your #nav column ended up longer than your #content column, the footer would be overlapped. ben From mr.sanders at designshift.com Fri Jul 22 11:08:02 2005 From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:08:02 -0300 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42E11625.1040004@designshift.com> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> <6073aef905072208296247d8ec@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef905072208407f7fe08b@mail.gmail.com> <42E11625.1040004@designshift.com> Message-ID: <42E119E2.1010108@designshift.com> For future reference, here's the final, working layout (I reduced the max-width to 1000 so I could test it on my monitor, which only goes to 1280x1024): http://sarah.designshift.com/test/20050719-layout-final.html -- sarah sweeney web developer & programmer portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com blog: http://hardedge.ca From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Fri Jul 22 11:21:33 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:21:33 +1000 Subject: [thelist] uninstalling flash plugin because of ads was: embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: <200507221601.BHW58295@ms12.netsolmail.com> References: <200507221601.BHW58295@ms12.netsolmail.com> Message-ID: <42E11D0D.5080606@pennyonthesidewalk.com> Markus Staas wrote: >Sorry but I have not heard of one single user who uninstalls his or her >flash plugins because of abuse of flash in ads. > >Is that really an issue? What do others say? Is there evidence supporting >it? Would be interesting to know more. > > It does happen, and there are some annoying Flash ads. Some people do uninstall the plugin. But the /very very/ vast majority don't. Even those who care enough about their experience etc to use Firefox. And of that subset who dislike Flash, you'll find that a lot won't uninstall the plug in, they'll run an extension to block 3rd party flash. I'd estimate the number of people who did as being less than .1% Robert From trvalentine at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 11:22:39 2005 From: trvalentine at gmail.com (T. R. Valentine) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:22:39 -0500 Subject: [thelist] uninstalling flash plugin because of ads was: embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: <200507221601.BHW58295@ms12.netsolmail.com> References: <1122034383.32572.59.camel@xevious> <200507221601.BHW58295@ms12.netsolmail.com> Message-ID: On 22/07/05, Markus Staas wrote: > Sorry but I have not heard of one single user who uninstalls his or her > flash plugins because of abuse of flash in ads. > > Is that really an issue? What do others say? Is there evidence supporting > it? Would be interesting to know more. Some of my browsers do not have Flash installed -- deliberately. With Firefox on my primary PC, I use the Flash blocker. Even when I use Opera with Flash installed, I typically hit 'Skip Intro' when I run into Flash. In my experience, the 'noise to content' ratio of Flash material is so high it isn't worth the bother. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 10:06:26 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:06:26 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: <31a2409705072205264a92dc0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <31a2409705072205264a92dc0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/22/05, Michele Foster wrote: > Can someone remind me how to set up the permissions to allow Firefox (and > others) to access my localhost? IE is working fine. It is not the hosts > file, as 127.0.0.1 localhost, already exists there. > This is for WinXP Professional. Michele, are you talking about allowing other people to access the server on your computer? If so, what server are you using? AFAIK, there are no settings necessary for Firefox to view a web server running on the local machine. -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From morrison.ben at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 11:30:33 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:30:33 +0100 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42E119E2.1010108@designshift.com> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> <6073aef905072208296247d8ec@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef905072208407f7fe08b@mail.gmail.com> <42E11625.1040004@designshift.com> <42E119E2.1010108@designshift.com> Message-ID: <6073aef9050722093030e3ca56@mail.gmail.com> On 7/22/05, Sarah Sweeney wrote: > For future reference, here's the final, working layout (I reduced the > max-width to 1000 so I could test it on my monitor, which only goes to > 1280x1024): > http://sarah.designshift.com/test/20050719-layout-final.html You could also specify a min-width and place min/max on the body instead of individual divs body{ padding:0; margin:0; font-family:sans-serif; min-width:770px; max-width:950px;} the max-width expression isnt working here in IE6. I have used dox-desk minmax.js in the past: http://www.doxdesk.com/software/js/minmax.html there is a slight flicker/jump when re-sizing.... ben From mr.sanders at designshift.com Fri Jul 22 11:46:28 2005 From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:46:28 -0300 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <6073aef9050722093030e3ca56@mail.gmail.com> References: <42DE9B9F.3070701@designshift.com> <42E088C8.1000301@gwi.net> <42E10C44.5040908@designshift.com> <6073aef905072208296247d8ec@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef905072208407f7fe08b@mail.gmail.com> <42E11625.1040004@designshift.com> <42E119E2.1010108@designshift.com> <6073aef9050722093030e3ca56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42E122E4.4010408@designshift.com> > the max-width expression isnt working here in IE6. It seems to be working for me - would you mind sending me a screenshot (offlist)? TIA -- sarah sweeney web developer & programmer portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com blog: http://hardedge.ca From foster.michele at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 12:16:16 2005 From: foster.michele at gmail.com (Michele Foster) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:16:16 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31a2409705072210162f1fc869@mail.gmail.com> On 22/07/05, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > > > Sounds like you've got Windows authentication (NT Challenge/Response) > turned on in IIS. Currently, IE is the only browser that supports this > method of authentication. I believe this is the problem ... could you tell me where this is, so I can it off. :) I did forget to mention that regardless of if I use the IP number, localhost or my computer name, FF still asks for username and password when I try to access my local site. Thanks for the help so far ... Michele From foster.michele at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 13:02:34 2005 From: foster.michele at gmail.com (Michele Foster) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:02:34 -0400 Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? In-Reply-To: <20050720164724.71644.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050720164724.71644.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31a24097050722110259250bed@mail.gmail.com> On 20/07/05, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > > Anyway, there has GOT to be some kind of ASP reference where I can look > stuff up online - anyone > know of one? Has .Net just superceded everything? Lots of my old ASP links > are now dead and even > DevGuru's site blows for ASP. I'd look this stuff up in a book but I don't > have one around for > ASP. > > Tom, I use DevGuru most often for ASP, VBScript, and others .. http://devguru.com/home.asp HTH, Mich -- Michele Foster Mishka's Playground - http://mishka.ca/ WizarDev - http://wizardev.ca/ From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Jul 22 13:13:14 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:13:14 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASP reference online? Message-ID: <4d793a88606d4bc680d504b13ca5a00b@easylistbox.com> 'twould be interesting to know from whence comes Tom's glowing (or should I say "blowing") assessment :) I've found www.LearnASP.com to be quite helpful; it ain't the prettiest site in the world -- better than it was a year ago -- but there's a good bit of help for ASP, both "Classic" and .NET. Cheers, Peter From: Michele Foster foster.michele at gmail.com On 20/07/05, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > > Anyway, there has GOT to be some kind of ASP reference where I can look > stuff up online - anyone > know of one? Has .Net just superceded everything? Lots of my old ASP links > are now dead and even > DevGuru's site blows for ASP. I'd look this stuff up in a book but I don't > have one around for > ASP. > > Tom, I use DevGuru most often for ASP, VBScript, and others .. http://devguru.com/home.asp HTH, Mich From ian at zstudio.co.uk Fri Jul 22 13:34:09 2005 From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:34:09 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <31a2409705072205264a92dc0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42E13C21.8030508@zstudio.co.uk> Matt Warden wrote: >Michele, are you talking about allowing other people to access the >server on your computer? If so, what server are you using? > >AFAIK, there are no settings necessary for Firefox to view a web >server running on the local machine. > > > Sorry, Matt; Michele is completely correct. I had the same issues but cannot remember how I corrected it. I am sure it is the challenge authentication. Have you googled this? I found the solution that way but regret I cannot remember exactly where or what I had to do. The idea is you log on in Firefox with your Windows login credentials, if that's any help - you may also have to change a setting to permit this. So frustrating not being able to remember - the brain cells just won't stop dying off. Cheers, Ian From ian at zstudio.co.uk Fri Jul 22 14:04:04 2005 From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:04:04 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: <42E13C21.8030508@zstudio.co.uk> References: <31a2409705072205264a92dc0a@mail.gmail.com> <42E13C21.8030508@zstudio.co.uk> Message-ID: <42E14324.9060000@zstudio.co.uk> Ian Anderson wrote: > Have you googled this? Double durr - that was directed to Michelle, not you Matt. Apologies. From todd at promisingsites.com Fri Jul 22 14:09:36 2005 From: todd at promisingsites.com (Todd Richards) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:09:36 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: <31a2409705072210162f1fc869@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200507221411359.SM03100@blackshirts> Michele - I apologize, as I'm a little confused on what is going on here. However, have you checked the security settings in IIS to make sure that anonymous access is allowed? Todd -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Michele Foster Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:16 PM To: peter at easylistbox.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox On 22/07/05, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > > > Sounds like you've got Windows authentication (NT Challenge/Response) > turned on in IIS. Currently, IE is the only browser that supports this > method of authentication. I believe this is the problem ... could you tell me where this is, so I can it off. :) I did forget to mention that regardless of if I use the IP number, localhost or my computer name, FF still asks for username and password when I try to access my local site. Thanks for the help so far ... Michele -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From pvanbuskirk at otc.fsu.edu Fri Jul 22 14:33:42 2005 From: pvanbuskirk at otc.fsu.edu (VanBuskirk, Patricia) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:33:42 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Re: Dreamweaver site (template?) Message-ID: I haven't been following this conversation, so forgive me if I duplicate someone else's response. I have noticed when working with templates in DW (as well as Server-Side Includes) that you need to use absolute links instead of relative links. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Roger H. Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:52 PM To: evolt list Subject: [thelist] Re: Dreamweaver site (template?) Thank you to all the folks that gave me suggestions for trying to "fix" a dreamweaver created/maintained site. Almost everybody told me to make the change in the nav bar that is contained in the template, and then update, (and put), all pages that use that template. Uploading the template itself is apparently a waste of time :) Unfortunately, we are still having the same problem, and nothing that we change in the template reflects with what the live site shows. So frustrating! But again, thanks for all the help folks. We'll keep playing with it. -Roger Harness -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.13/47 - Release Date: 7/12/2005 From foster.michele at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 15:13:36 2005 From: foster.michele at gmail.com (Michele Foster) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:13:36 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: <200507221411359.SM03100@blackshirts> References: <31a2409705072210162f1fc869@mail.gmail.com> <200507221411359.SM03100@blackshirts> Message-ID: <31a240970507221313210275bd@mail.gmail.com> On 22/07/05, Todd Richards wrote: > > Michele - > > I apologize, as I'm a little confused on what is going on here. However, > have you checked the security settings in IIS to make sure that anonymous > access is allowed? > > Todd I'm not 100% sure where to check this .. as I've compared my settings on Win2K and my WinXp machine and the settings appear to me to be the same. It's the new WinXP Pro machine that is not working. I go to IIS, displayed is one entry my Computer's name (local computer) Then I go to Web Sites or Default Web Site (I've tried both) Right click, Properties Directory Security Anonymous access and authentical control, Choose Edit on that screen "Authentication Methods" Selected is Anonymous access (at the very top) and the last option Integrated Windows Authentication Under Anonymous access it says, Account used for anonymous access: and the values are IUSR_MyComputerName with a Password that I have no idea what it is, and the check box "Allow IIS to control password" selected. I tried to delete this user name, but it won't let me (gives me an error and says enter at least one character) I don't know if I'm close or not .. this is rather frustrating. Yes, I have googled, but I no longer have any clue what I'm even looking for. Thanks everyone for your help Mich From nepolon at worlddomination.net Fri Jul 22 15:42:55 2005 From: nepolon at worlddomination.net (Steve Lewis) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:42:55 -0700 Subject: [thelist] uninstalling flash plugin because of ads was: embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: References: <1122034383.32572.59.camel@xevious> <200507221601.BHW58295@ms12.netsolmail.com> Message-ID: <42E15A4F.6010802@worlddomination.net> On 22/07/05, Markus Staas wrote: >Sorry but I have not heard of one single user who uninstalls his or her >flash plugins because of abuse of flash in ads. Now you have. I have done it before. Thankfully, I am not forced to go to such extremes anymore: http://adblock.mozdev.org/ -- SteveL From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Jul 22 15:46:56 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:46:56 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox Message-ID: > Selected is Anonymous access (at the very top) and the last option > Integrated Windows Authentication Hi, Mishka :) Have you tried selecting Basic Authentication? (Sorry, I'm jumping in midstream so I'm not sure if you're working on something secure, or if you're hoping for no authentication challenge at all, in which case, I'm stumped too, 'cause I use it all the time.) If you *are* working on a secured area, Firefix won't understand Windows Authentication; it needs Basic. joel From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Jul 22 19:03:41 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:03:41 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BD3B@kjserver1.kjhome.local> FWIW: Mozilla, Firefox and Opera all support NTLM authentication (which is the older NT Challenge/Response) Only IE supports Kerberos authentication, but that's probably unlikely to be used here. Cheers Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) : Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2005 1:13 AM : To: codepo8 at gmail.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org; thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by : Firefox : : : Sounds like you've got Windows authentication (NT Challenge/Response) : turned on in IIS. Currently, IE is the only browser that supports this : method of authentication. : : From: Christian Heilmann codepo8 at gmail.com : : > Can someone remind me how to set up the permissions to allow Firefox : (and : > others) to access my localhost? IE is working fine. It is not the hosts : > file, as 127.0.0.1 localhost, already exists there. : > This is for WinXP Professional. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Jul 22 19:04:18 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:04:18 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BD3C@kjserver1.kjhome.local> I think you need to explain the problem you are running into - do you get a prompt for credentials? Can you reach the site at all? What error message(s) do you see? Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Michele Foster : Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 10:27 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox : : Can someone remind me how to set up the permissions to allow Firefox (and : others) to access my localhost? IE is working fine. It is not the hosts : file, as 127.0.0.1 localhost, already exists there. : This is for WinXP Professional. : TIA, : Michele From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Jul 22 19:08:18 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:08:18 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BD3D@kjserver1.kjhome.local> That looks fine. You have anonymous access enabled, and IIS is controlling the password for that account. However the next problem could be that the configured anonymous account (IUSR_) doesn't actually have NTFS permissions to read the file off the hard disk. If you locate the file on your hard disk (typically somewhere under c:\inetpub\wwwroot\), right-click and choose "security", what are the effective permissions to that file for the IUSR_ account? Additionally, do you have a global.asa file? If so, the IUSR account needs permissions to that as well, since that gets processed when the application starts, or a new user connects to the machine. If you want an idea of how these requests get processed, check out my FAQ: www.adopenstatic.com/faq/IISRequestProcessing.aspx Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Michele Foster : Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2005 6:14 AM : To: todd at promisingsites.com : Cc: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by : Firefox : : On 22/07/05, Todd Richards wrote: : > : > Michele - : > : > I apologize, as I'm a little confused on what is going on here. However, : > have you checked the security settings in IIS to make sure that : anonymous : > access is allowed? : > : > Todd : : : : I'm not 100% sure where to check this .. as I've compared my settings on : Win2K and my WinXp machine and the settings appear to me to be the same. : It's the new WinXP Pro machine that is not working. : : I go to IIS, displayed is one entry my Computer's name (local computer) : Then I go to Web Sites or Default Web Site (I've tried both) : Right click, Properties : Directory Security : Anonymous access and authentical control, Choose Edit : on that screen "Authentication Methods" : Selected is Anonymous access (at the very top) and the last option : Integrated Windows Authentication : Under Anonymous access it says, Account used for anonymous access: and the : values are IUSR_MyComputerName with a Password that I have no idea what it : is, and the check box "Allow IIS to control password" selected. : I tried to delete this user name, but it won't let me (gives me an error : and : says enter at least one character) : : I don't know if I'm close or not .. this is rather frustrating. : : Yes, I have googled, but I no longer have any clue what I'm even looking : for. : : Thanks everyone for your help : : Mich From misterhaan at track7.org Fri Jul 22 20:23:49 2005 From: misterhaan at track7.org (misterhaan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:23:49 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Setting permissions so localhost can be used by Firefox In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BD3B@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BD3B@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <42E19C25.6030908@track7.org> Ken Schaefer wrote: >FWIW: Mozilla, Firefox and Opera all support NTLM authentication (which is the older NT Challenge/Response) > > firefox also supports automatic ntlm authentication (meaning it automatically tries the username and password you're logged onto windows with). this needs to be set by site, so you could do this for localhost if you actually want the authentication turned on: browse to about:config type "ntlm" in the filter change the value of network.automatic-ntlm-auth.trusted-uris to "localhost" From email at timburgan.com Fri Jul 22 23:22:53 2005 From: email at timburgan.com (Tim Burgan) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:52:53 +0930 Subject: [thelist] onclick - unobtrusive javascript Message-ID: <42E1C61D.6010705@timburgan.com> Hello, I'm trying to use some unobtrusive Javascript by separating behavior from structure. When an element is clicked, I am unable to change it's text color to red. But for the same element, the code does work if I choose to open a new window on click. Is there any particular reason why I can't get this to work? My code is attached below. Thanks Tim Use another address From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 23:44:33 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:44:33 -0400 Subject: [thelist] onclick - unobtrusive javascript In-Reply-To: <42E1C61D.6010705@timburgan.com> References: <42E1C61D.6010705@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <42E1CB31.7020405@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tim Burgan wrote: > Is there any particular reason why I can't get this to work? My code is > attached below. links[] has no validity in the scope of the function object you are assigning to the onclick handler. Remember, the function() {} notation is basically just shorthand for: function myfunc() { // this line works window.open(this.href); // this line does not links[i].style.color = 'red'; return false; } function doPopups() { // ... links[i].onclick = myfunc; // ... } In this instance it is clearer how the links array is not in scope of myfunc. Try using a reference to 'this'. See: http://www.quirksmode.org/index.html?/js/this.html hth, - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC4csxAQ0d4HGyPE8RAonVAJ9T1N0NZNO5HRAPD4ZRdnmGHOeyBQCfS3I/ RA0hZWZn+3V5tVs5jzfPYFk= =Wnpn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thelist at meidomus.com Sat Jul 23 01:05:17 2005 From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:05:17 +0300 Subject: [thelist] best PHP IDE program? In-Reply-To: <1121883570.32572.32.camel@xevious> References: <1121883570.32572.32.camel@xevious> Message-ID: <42E1DE1D.5010708@meidomus.com> Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 08:10 -0400, Nan wrote: > >>Evolters, >>Can you tell me which PHP editor you think is the best? I looked at >>Zend, it is expensive but maybe worth it. I am also looking at >>EnginSite. I searched Evolt for a discussion of PHP IDE programs, and >>only found one article on Zend that was about 4 years old. > > > You don't say what OS you're running... > > Emacs and Vim are my top two choices for just about everything. I know > both have been ported to just about every Unix in existence and Windows, > not sure about MacOS X. The default installation of OS X comes with vim. I have used Zend Studio since they allowed trial downloads, and finally puchased it last year. The program is not without faults, but its great for what its made for, PHP work. My favorite features (the ones I use everyday) are edit-over FTP, the code analyzer, built-in integration with phpdocumentor, excellent class browing functions, and the debug watch feature. Other IDEs that I have tried before purchasing Zend: Trustudio (Eclipse plugin) PHPEdit Komodo (from Activestate) A good list of editors can be found at http://www.php-editors.com The latest version (4.0) has a built-in SQL browser, so you can 'talk your database' directly from it. Personally, I have only used it once or twice, just to see how it works. I prefer the excellent Query Browser from MySQL. Great interface (although not without bugs, but its still beta) and the best part is that it has a built-in MySQL reference. I would recommend you download the free 30 day trial and give it a whirl. Hope this helps, Burhan From thelist at meidomus.com Sat Jul 23 01:28:16 2005 From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:28:16 +0300 Subject: [thelist] wireless router and a vpn? In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BD3A@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BD3A@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <42E1E380.4080409@meidomus.com> Ken Schaefer wrote: > Your client machines should have VPN clients built in. > > At the other end (e.g. your office) you need a VPN server (or endpoint). All > you need to do is buy a wireless router/access point that supports acting as > a VPN server. All the major vendors have such products. > > Alternatively, just buy a router that's a VPN server -and- attach a separate > wireless access point. The router will do the routing, the wireless access > point just rebroadcasts stuff wirelessly. Also, check with your internet provider. In our case, the modem/router that we recieved from the ISP already had VPN capabilities, so it was just a plug-and-pray thing. As far as wireless routers go, Linksys (now a part of Cisco) has some great products that I have used for a long, long time. HTH, Burhan From rfaaberg at comcast.net Sat Jul 23 01:39:34 2005 From: rfaaberg at comcast.net (Rick Faaberg) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:39:34 -0700 Subject: [thelist] wireless router and a vpn? In-Reply-To: <42E1E380.4080409@meidomus.com> Message-ID: On 7/22/05 11:28 PM "Burhan Khalid" sent this out: > As far as wireless routers go, Linksys (now a part of Cisco) has some > great products that I have used for a long, long time. +1 on LinkSys for cost and capability imho. Their earliest stuff (version 1.0 days) was a bit flaky, but the later stuff is just fine. Rick Faaberg From thelist at meidomus.com Sat Jul 23 05:13:35 2005 From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:13:35 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Correct 'Bad Request/Malformed Request' HTTP Error Code Message-ID: <42E2184F.5040306@meidomus.com> Hello Everyone: I'm writing a backend of sorts, and want to send out the correct header if a client sends a request that isn't correctly formed. For example, say a valid request is file.ext?op=beta and someone requests file.ext?op=lalalala I want to send out 400 Bad Request (is this the right response?), but how would I actually send that out? Using PHP, you can write custom headers using the header() function, and at first glance, this would seem like : header('Bad Request',true,400); Is this correct? Not really familiar with HTTP status codes. Thanks for any hints, Burhan From jens.brueckmann at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 06:54:43 2005 From: jens.brueckmann at gmail.com (Jens Brueckmann) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:54:43 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Correct 'Bad Request/Malformed Request' HTTP Error Code In-Reply-To: <42E2184F.5040306@meidomus.com> References: <42E2184F.5040306@meidomus.com> Message-ID: 2005/7/23, Burhan Khalid : > For example, say a valid request is > file.ext?op=beta > > and someone requests file.ext?op=lalalala > I want to send out 400 Bad Request (is this the right response?) I would rather say this is not a 'Bad Request', as the syntax and URI are valid. As no corresponding page is available for this request, it is a plain 'Not Found' error. More on status codes see http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/1.1/spec.html#Code4xx > how would I actually send that out? Using PHP, you can write custom > headers using the header() function, and at first glance, this would > seem like : > > header('Bad Request',true,400); No. The correct expression is something like: header("HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request"); or rather: header("HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found"); More information about the header() function is available at http://php.net/header Cheers, jens -- Jens Brueckmann http://www.yalf.de http://www.j-a-b.net From thelist at meidomus.com Sat Jul 23 07:10:42 2005 From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:10:42 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Correct 'Bad Request/Malformed Request' HTTP Error Code In-Reply-To: References: <42E2184F.5040306@meidomus.com> Message-ID: <42E233C2.8000601@meidomus.com> Jens Brueckmann wrote: > 2005/7/23, Burhan Khalid : > > >> For example, say a valid request is >> file.ext?op=beta >> >> and someone requests file.ext?op=lalalala >> I want to send out 400 Bad Request (is this the right response?) > > > I would rather say this is not a 'Bad Request', as the syntax and URI are valid. > As no corresponding page is available for this request, it is a plain > 'Not Found' error. > > More on status codes see > http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/1.1/spec.html#Code4xx > > >>how would I actually send that out? Using PHP, you can write custom >>headers using the header() function, and at first glance, this would >>seem like : >> >> header('Bad Request',true,400); > > > No. The correct expression is something like: > > header("HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request"); > > or rather: > > header("HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found"); Thanks Jens. I wasn't 100% on the Bad Request either. From lists at neptunewebworks.com Sat Jul 23 13:14:13 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:14:13 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Re: Dreamweaver site (template?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E288F5.9030808@neptunewebworks.com> VanBuskirk, Patricia wrote: > ...I have noticed when working with templates in > DW (as well as Server-Side Includes) that you need to use absolute links > instead of relative links. That is not true. DWMX and even DW 4 / UltraDev handle relative links in templates just fine. When you first create template instance it will appear that the link paths are incorrect, but only until you save the file to its actual location, then DW updates the document to reflect the file's location relative to the document root. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From earthwrk at earthlink.net Sat Jul 23 22:30:19 2005 From: earthwrk at earthlink.net (Bill Scheider) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:30:19 -0700 Subject: [thelist] embedding (?) audio In-Reply-To: <42E0E8CE.4070604@pennyonthesidewalk.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all who replied to the question I posted about making audio available on a site. I'm not sure I understood each of the solutions you presented, but I do have some stuff to try and to work with and -- maybe just as importantly -- if (when) I get stuck later down the road, I've a better idea of the right questions to ask! This list is a great resource. Bill >It should be noted that many users deinstall the Flash plugin due to its >abuse for advertising, assuming they even can run it to begin with. > > It should be noted, too, that many users disable image viewing due to its abuse for advertising, or bandwidth, assuming they can even receive them to begin with. >A responsible site creator should also offer a non-Flash alternative if >deploying your suggestion. > > It should also be noted that whilst a lowest common denominator option should always be available, that there is a reasonable expectation that on a musician or band's website, there may well be 'inline' audio. Just as a (graphic) designer or photographer's website may just have the odd image or two. Balance the needs of availability and experience. If you do it via a Flash player, or any other means, also offer a 'offline' download option. But don't feel that such options must be avoided like the plague, either. Robert -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From dwain at alforddesigngroup.com Sat Jul 23 22:59:32 2005 From: dwain at alforddesigngroup.com (dwain at alforddesigngroup.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:59:32 -0500 Subject: [thelist] svg images Message-ID: <42E31224.8020100@alforddesigngroup.com> thanks for the earlier help with placing a svg image into the html and have it validate. i would like to know how to use a svg image as a background image. i have tried to figure it out myself, but to no avail. of course, it must pass the w3c validator. i would appreciate a link to a solution or a solution from a member of the list. dwain -- Dwain Alford dwain at alforddesigngroup.com http://www.alforddesigngroup.com "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Wassily Kandinsky, "Concerning The Spiritual In Art" From thelist at meidomus.com Sun Jul 24 01:28:26 2005 From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:28:26 +0300 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <42DD726A.8080205@dsl.pipex.com> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> <1121793351.42dd35479a7bd@netmail.pipex.net> <42DD38A1.1050200@stoutstreet.com> <42DD726A.8080205@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <42E3350A.9080203@meidomus.com> Emily Tarrant wrote: > patrick wrote: > >> And doing your own CMS-lite with PHP is not too difficult -- if you have >> a bit of time and the desire to do it. >> >> >> > > Hey Patrick > > I have thought about WordPress. I've been playing around a bit with it > recently, but it doesn't seem to have an easy way to upload images (my > partner is doing a bit of a blog and I have to explain how to do the > images every time...). As this is going to be a photography site, the > images are the main focus. Emily: Have you looked at some plugins for WP that allow image functionality? There are quite a few, with various features. A good place to start would be http://codex.wordpress.org/Plugins/Images > As for PHP, I definitely have the desire, but at the moment not the > time! I even took a week off work recently with the intention of working > through a PHP tutorial book, but other things inevitably took over. Am > very keen to learn though. Maybe I should get someone to read PHP to me > while I sleep so that when I wake up in the morning I miraculously know > it. Worth a try? Well, PHP is not that difficult to pick up if you have the basic concepts behind client-server (and how the web works) -- and some programming experience or familiarity. I would say skip the book (most are outdated by the time they reach your local store) and have a look at websites that are overflowing with PHP tutorials. For a start, you can try http://www.php.net/manual/en/tutorial.php I'd be happy to help you out if you have any PHP questions :) Good luck with your project, Burhan From kjs at ratking.co.uk Sun Jul 24 10:36:06 2005 From: kjs at ratking.co.uk (Kevin Stevens) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:36:06 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Put emails into database (ASP) Message-ID: <00b401c59065$68dc93b0$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> I'm sure I asked this question a while ago, then the project stalled and I forgot about it. It has now come back up again and I can't find my original question. Anyway, the situation is this. A charity I work for has an e-mail list similar to this one, although it has nowhere near as much traffic. They want a web site that has search features for the recipients to easily look back through previous posts. This bit I can do, but I don't want to have to cut and paste all the e-mails into the database myself, I want to know if there is a program that will do this for me. These are some of the criteria... 1. Site to be coded in ASP 2. Access database 3 Hosted on an old NT server Hopefully this will be enough to go on. If you need any more information please let me know. TIA Kevin Stevens kjs at ratking.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 From joshua at waetech.com Sun Jul 24 11:21:11 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:21:11 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Put emails into database (ASP) In-Reply-To: <00b401c59065$68dc93b0$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Stevens > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:36 AM > They want a web site that has search features for the > recipients to easily look back through previous posts. > This bit I can do, but I don't want to have to cut and > paste all the e-mails into the database myself, I want to > know if there is a program that will do this for me. Hi Kevin, So it seems you have a copy of the emails already. What format is this archive in at this point? If they are in Outlook, you should be able to export the emails to an Excel spreadsheet or Access database, saving you a lot of work. <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 413.812.4864 Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From kjs at ratking.co.uk Sun Jul 24 14:20:14 2005 From: kjs at ratking.co.uk (Kevin Stevens) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:20:14 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Put emails into database (ASP) References: <20050724173793.SM00183@acornparenting.org> Message-ID: <000a01c59084$b92a3100$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> > So it seems you have a copy of the emails already. What format is this > archive in at this point? If they are in Outlook, you should be able to > export the emails to an Excel spreadsheet or Access database, saving you a > lot of work. Ah, sorry, I have not explained myself properly. This is an on-going project and what I need is, when an e-mail is sent it goes out to everyone on the list and into the database. Sort of how I imagine the evolt archives work, but with a different front end. Kevin Stevens kjs at ratking.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 From mwarden at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 14:42:28 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:42:28 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Put emails into database (ASP) In-Reply-To: <000a01c59084$b92a3100$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> References: <20050724173793.SM00183@acornparenting.org> <000a01c59084$b92a3100$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> Message-ID: <42E3EF24.10203@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Stevens wrote: > Ah, sorry, I have not explained myself properly. This is an on-going > project and what I need is, when an e-mail is sent it goes out to > everyone on the list and into the database. Sort of how I imagine the > evolt archives work, but with a different front end. Well, this is what I believe Joshua was asking. For example, for a mailman-managed list like this one, archives can be produced by parsing the mbox file of all the emails that have been sent to this list. This is how I believe Dean Mah's tip harvester works (http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/). So, unless you are setting it up such that every email sent to the list has to be sent via a web form, you are probably going to have to parse some 'inbox' file. So, if your list is mylist at foo.com, then you would need to parse the inbox for mylist at foo.com in some manner (your script could access it via POP). Then you can either insert these emails into a typical relational database or generate HTML versions of the emails and add them to the filesystem (the latter is what it seems mailman does). - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC4+8kAQ0d4HGyPE8RAnIlAJ9ERM4J7SFCM80S0RklBl8LEt1uGACfY+ly hhCu2Ys5z3y2r+W1XV8dHzw= =x9QW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kjs at ratking.co.uk Sun Jul 24 17:12:46 2005 From: kjs at ratking.co.uk (Kevin Stevens) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:12:46 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Put emails into database (ASP) References: <20050724173793.SM00183@acornparenting.org><000a01c59084$b92a3100$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> <42E3EF24.10203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c5909c$d38eb490$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> > So, unless you are setting it up such that every email sent to the > list has to be sent via a web form, you are probably going to have to > parse some 'inbox' file. OK, I think I know what you are saying. If I have understood this correctly then I think there is a problem. The e-mails come from the charity's account (wherever that is) but the new site will be on my server. Also, isn't Mailman a Perl based program, will it work with an ASP site? I suppose what I imagine is, for example, if an evolt e-mail was sent to my Rat King account, is there a program I can install on the Rat King site that will store the e-mail into a database that I can then search through the subject, author and text? Or am I gonna have to learn Perl? :) Kevin Stevens kjs at ratking.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 From mwarden at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 18:20:14 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:20:14 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Put emails into database (ASP) In-Reply-To: <000f01c5909c$d38eb490$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> References: <20050724173793.SM00183@acornparenting.org><000a01c59084$b92a3100$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> <42E3EF24.10203@gmail.com> <000f01c5909c$d38eb490$6401a8c0@kjsrwmnbavpv3x> Message-ID: <42E4222E.1050802@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Stevens wrote: > OK, I think I know what you are saying. If I have understood this > correctly then I think there is a problem. The e-mails come from the > charity's account (wherever that is) but the new site will be on my > server. I'm not sure we're on the same page. Is this list of yours a two-way discussion list (this is what I assumed, since you said a list like thelist), or an announcement style list, where the only ones sending out emails will be the site owners? > Also, isn't Mailman a Perl based program, will it work with an > ASP site? I was just using mailman as an example, since you mentioned that your list would be like thelist. > I suppose what I imagine is, for example, if an evolt e-mail was sent to > my Rat King account, is there a program I can install on the Rat King > site that will store the e-mail into a database that I can then search > through the subject, author and text? Yes, it's called an email client. :) But, what you probably want, which I alluded to in my last email, is for your script to access the mail server via POP every x minutes, download the latest messages, store them into a database, etc. Then you would have another script that would search that database. > Or am I gonna have to learn Perl? :) I am pretty sure you don't need to know Perl to work with mailman (and, actually, I think mailman is written in in python, but I could be wrong). It's up to you whether you want to use mailman, as you said your list will be pretty low traffic. Or, alternatively, you could just buy a hosted mailman plan. f2o.org has one for $4/month: http://poppi.f2o.org/hosting/ - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC5CIuAQ0d4HGyPE8RAh37AJ9fp8qxgPJJj3dYBvs4BhO+hiUkqACfQRlT 3IAjH4wHcz3JpsNJFzqwRXk= =4ueZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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