From nan at heritageconcord.org Mon Jul 18 00:32:39 2005 From: nan at heritageconcord.org (Nan Harbison) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:32:39 -0400 Subject: [thelist] post vars not getting posted - NEVER MIND problem solved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry! I just figured out what was going on, pages were not being found because they were in the wrong directory. Nan -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Nan Harbison Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:52 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] post vars not getting posted Hi all, My log in page used to work perfectly, then I downloaded a trial version of a program called EnginSite Editor for PHP, and was playing around with it, and somehow, when I thought I was downloading pages from the webhost, this program uploaded files from my computer. I didn't touch the login in page, but since this upload of my files, the log in page doesn't work. It is supposed to return users to the page they were on after they chose to log in. I have added to the log in page a print_r of the session and post variables, neither are getting the post vars (which are supposed to become session vars). I am also echoing the address of the page you are supposed to be returned to, the previous page, but this isn't working. You can see this by starting here, and choosing "post scores". http://www.massgolfscores.com/index.php This is the code for the log in page: id) && $user->id > 0) { echo "

You are already logged in as " . $user->username .". To log in under a different name, fill in the login form and submit it

"; } ?>
Username
Password
Help! I don't understand what happened. There are several files that have classes in them, and a prepend.php file that has a lot of the configurations in it, I don't think any of those were changed. And second, can you suggest a better PHP editor, I looked at Zend, but it is expensive. And I searched in Evolt for a discussion of PHP IDE programs, and only found an article about Zend that was about 4 years old. TIA, Nan -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From morrison.ben at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 04:53:56 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:53:56 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Launching a PDF in Flash - Mac In-Reply-To: <42DAB758.7010901@alphanumeric.cz> References: <017a01c58b02$f5da5850$6701a8c0@autolycus> <42DAB758.7010901@alphanumeric.cz> Message-ID: <6073aef905071802535d1830@mail.gmail.com> On 7/17/05, Jan Brasna wrote: > > I'm no stranger to using a .bat file to call a PDF from a Flash .exe > > file, however, I'm doing a hybrid CD presentation and I am required to > > call the PDF on the Mac side as well as the Win side. Ive used applescript in the past to open pdf files. http://www.actionscripts.org/tutorials/beginner/exec_files/index.shtml You can also include arobat reader on the cd and open up the file with the included reader http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/distribute.html ben . From stephane.deschamps at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 05:51:15 2005 From: stephane.deschamps at gmail.com (Stephane Deschamps) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:51:15 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Help with Firefox select box oddity In-Reply-To: References: <30bd6ffd0507150807450fab44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9247a6650507180351374f0bdb@mail.gmail.com> On 7/15/05, Matt Warden wrote: > On 7/15/05, Christian Heilmann wrote: > > I have a very confusing issue with firefox and dynamic setting of indexes: > > http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/misc/selectodd.html > > > > Anyone got a clue how to prevent that from happening? > > Yes, that is odd. Have you tried s.options[s.selectedIndex].focus() ? Or, conversely, changing the focus to the JS link itself? (I'm not sure you can pu the focus on a selected index rather than the select itself, Matt, although I must admit I haven't tried it) -- Stephane Deschamps personal: http://nota-bene.org/ org: http://evolt.org/ french org: http://pompage.net/ From mwarden at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 10:32:52 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:32:52 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Help with Firefox select box oddity In-Reply-To: <9247a6650507180351374f0bdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <30bd6ffd0507150807450fab44@mail.gmail.com> <9247a6650507180351374f0bdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42DBCBA4.70305@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephane Deschamps wrote: > On 7/15/05, Matt Warden wrote: > >>On 7/15/05, Christian Heilmann wrote: >> >>>I have a very confusing issue with firefox and dynamic setting of indexes: >>>http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/misc/selectodd.html >>> >>>Anyone got a clue how to prevent that from happening? >> >>Yes, that is odd. Have you tried s.options[s.selectedIndex].focus() ? > > > Or, conversely, changing the focus to the JS link itself? > (I'm not sure you can pu the focus on a selected index rather than the > select itself, Matt, although I must admit I haven't tried it) I actually had a chance to test it a few hours after I sent my message (whereas normal people would test BEFORE sending). According to various sites I looked up before I sent, focus() is valid on an option. However, it didn't do anything in Firefox. I think it's a bug. I can't see any rationale for the behavior displayed. A user would surely assume that focus is on the option selected. I would suggest filing the bug. - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC28ukAQ0d4HGyPE8RAkPkAJ0ZmD5EdimzjzMueiTM9/KVtnygGQCeKQiz tzdYFgkATbUN+sHqoR+4Ovk= =kteK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pixelmech at yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 13:47:38 2005 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Ruby on Rails - any developers out there? Question... Message-ID: <20050718184738.20714.qmail@web51403.mail.yahoo.com> Hey listers, Anyone had a chance to do any real-word development (other than blogs mind you) with ruby on rails? I have a client coming on board that I'm thinking might be the place to jump in on this. He's going to want a news/events section that is updated as well as some client login areas - nothing too super complicated but more involved than a basic blog. Hosting shouldn't be an issue as I believe he will be doing the hosting on his own box so we can install whatever we want. I've watched a couple of the ruby on rails videos and they are pretty mindblowing. But he is only making a basic blog. I'm wondering how tough it is to learn it and get running with it. Also, it looks in the vids like he is using some kind of editor that recognizes shortcuts for the rails (?) commands... I wonder what that is, and if there is a windows counterpart. Cheers Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ Melissa: Ace, Where are you? Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor. From hershelr at netvision.net.il Mon Jul 18 14:22:01 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:22:01 +0300 Subject: [thelist] International Payment Gateway Message-ID: <42DC0159.5060803@netvision.net.il> I am looking for an online payment gateway that can accept credit cards from: USA Canada Europe Australia Israel as a minimum. I am using X-Cart Gold which supports a slew of gateways, and if need be, a new one could also be added. Any suggestions? Thanks, Hershel From peter at easylistbox.com Mon Jul 18 14:30:06 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:30:06 -0700 Subject: [thelist] International Payment Gateway Message-ID: <605b2ef7ff0c450ba9437ae279a3e9c0@easylistbox.com> I don't suppose you have the option to use the Paypal API...? From: Hershel Robinson hershelr at netvision.net.il I am looking for an online payment gateway that can accept credit cards from: USA Canada Europe Australia Israel as a minimum. I am using X-Cart Gold which supports a slew of gateways, and if need be, a new one could also be added. Any suggestions? Thanks, Hershel From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Jul 18 14:54:43 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:54:43 -0700 Subject: [thelist] International Payment Gateway In-Reply-To: <42DC0159.5060803@netvision.net.il> References: <42DC0159.5060803@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <42DC0903.5060708@neptunewebworks.com> Hershel Robinson wrote: > I am looking for an online payment gateway that can accept credit cards > from: USA Canada Europe Australia Israel > as a minimum. The important thing is not the cards accepted but where the merchant is located, and what cards your merchant account provider and gateway support. Check with them. Where is the merchant (your client, presumably) located? US providers tend to be quite provincial, whereas providers in the UK and Australia tend to be fairly global. That said, if you have trouble going that route, WorldPay is probably your best bet. They support global card types and currencies - and will even perform the currency conversion at the time of sale. However, their discount rate[0] is higher than most, at something like 4%. > I am using X-Cart Gold which supports a slew of gateways, and if need > be, a new one could also be added. X-Cart supports WorldPay[1]. [0] The per-transaction percentage "discounted" from the amount that goes into the merchant's bank account. [1] http://x-cart.com/xcart_features.html#gateways -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From cgeorge at basecorp.com Mon Jul 18 16:40:02 2005 From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:40:02 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Forums - integrated solution versus standalone Message-ID: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B2966E3@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com> Hi there, Does anyone know of any forums (basically just threaded discussions) that are easily integrated into existing web systems? We develop in a .net environment and would prefer .net, but basically, beggars can't be choosers. :-P Our biggest concern is around security, and integrating with our existing security model, versus their own method. Any ideas? Chris. From dwain at alforddesigngroup.com Mon Jul 18 17:19:18 2005 From: dwain at alforddesigngroup.com (dwain at alforddesigngroup.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:19:18 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Ruby on Rails - any developers out there? Question... In-Reply-To: <20050718184738.20714.qmail@web51403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050718184738.20714.qmail@web51403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42DC2AE6.9030002@alforddesigngroup.com> Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > Hey listers, > > Anyone had a chance to do any real-word development (other than blogs mind you) with ruby on > rails? I have a client coming on board that I'm thinking might be the place to jump in on this. > He's going to want a news/events section that is updated as well as some client login areas - > nothing too super complicated but more involved than a basic blog. > > Hosting shouldn't be an issue as I believe he will be doing the hosting on his own box so we can > install whatever we want. > > I've watched a couple of the ruby on rails videos and they are pretty mindblowing. But he is only > making a basic blog. I'm wondering how tough it is to learn it and get running with it. > > Also, it looks in the vids like he is using some kind of editor that recognizes shortcuts for the > rails (?) commands... I wonder what that is, and if there is a windows counterpart. > http://lesscode.org/ maybe this will help. several good articles (and follow the links; especially "it has everything to do with this"). dwain -- Dwain Alford dwain at alforddesigngroup.com http://www.alforddesigngroup.com "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Wassily Kandinsky, "Concerning The Spiritual In Art" From markus at staas.biz Mon Jul 18 20:46:38 2005 From: markus at staas.biz (Markus Staas) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:46:38 +0600 Subject: [thelist] Blog, that saves and displays the content sent by email In-Reply-To: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B2966E3@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com> Message-ID: <200507190146.BHG53348@ms12.netsolmail.com> Hi list, I have seen a blog in which the owner could add new content by simply sending an email to a specified address on the server, the contents of that email would then be rendered, saved and displayed by the blog engine, but I cannot remember the name of the blog, or there are even maybe more blogs with such feature. Can you help me out? Cheers, Markus -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris George Sent: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2005 03:40 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Forums - integrated solution versus standalone Hi there, Does anyone know of any forums (basically just threaded discussions) that are easily integrated into existing web systems? We develop in a .net environment and would prefer .net, but basically, beggars can't be choosers. :-P Our biggest concern is around security, and integrating with our existing security model, versus their own method. Any ideas? Chris. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Mon Jul 18 21:24:50 2005 From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:24:50 +1200 Subject: [thelist] Blog, that saves and displays the content sent by email Message-ID: Blogger does this http://www.blogger.com HTH Paul From blumeneau at aboutaudrey.com Mon Jul 18 23:17:10 2005 From: blumeneau at aboutaudrey.com (Audrey Blumeneau) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:17:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Limewire - know anything about them? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050718211603.0449ef48@mail.gogabriel.com> Greetings, My son and his friends have come across some file sharing program that his friends are using for sharing music.....little red flags go up in my mind when I hear this so I thought I would ask this lovely community if anyone knows anything - good or bad - about this. Is it trustworthy? How can I find out if it is safe to use on my computer....? www.limewire.com Thanks for any comments, links to reviews, articles etc. Cheers, Audrey From dfilteau at littlemountain.com Mon Jul 18 23:41:13 2005 From: dfilteau at littlemountain.com (Doug Filteau) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:41:13 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Limewire - know anything about them? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050718211603.0449ef48@mail.gogabriel.com> Message-ID: <20050719044113.ZJFV12283.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@Satellite> Yup. Used it for years, no spam, no viruses, no crap. Safe, yes (with the usual caveats) but not legal in the US (I'm in Canada). ... Doug Filteau Principal Consultant Little Mountain Systems Inc. http://www.littlemountain.com Toll-free: 1-877-392-6993 -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Audrey Blumeneau Sent: July 18, 2005 9:17 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Limewire - know anything about them? Greetings, My son and his friends have come across some file sharing program that his friends are using for sharing music.....little red flags go up in my mind when I hear this so I thought I would ask this lovely community if anyone knows anything - good or bad - about this. Is it trustworthy? How can I find out if it is safe to use on my computer....? www.limewire.com Thanks for any comments, links to reviews, articles etc. Cheers, Audrey -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From shelley at shelleysimpson.co.nz Tue Jul 19 00:07:22 2005 From: shelley at shelleysimpson.co.nz (Shelley Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:07:22 +1200 Subject: [thelist] Limewire - know anything about them? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050718211603.0449ef48@mail.gogabriel.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050718211603.0449ef48@mail.gogabriel.com> Message-ID: My partner uses it all the time and loves it...only problem is downloading more than you think (those downloads all add up!!) and getting charged for it by your ISP...no problems with viruses etc although you should have virus protection software... On 19/07/2005, at 4:17 PM, Audrey Blumeneau wrote: > Greetings, > > My son and his friends have come across some file sharing program that > his friends are using for sharing music.....little red flags go up in > my mind when I hear this so I thought I would ask this lovely > community if anyone knows anything - good or bad - about this. Is it > trustworthy? How can I find out if it is safe to use on my > computer....? > > www.limewire.com > > Thanks for any comments, links to reviews, articles etc. > > Cheers, > > Audrey > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, > evolt ! > From jweiss at cox-internet.com Tue Jul 19 00:34:00 2005 From: jweiss at cox-internet.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:34:00 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Blog, that saves and displays the content sent by email References: Message-ID: <002201c58c23$7a9ab370$09ceb246@weiss> Drupal does this, but it's more of a CMS with blogging being one of many features. http://www.drupal.org HTH, -jeremy From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Tue Jul 19 00:34:51 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:34:51 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Limewire - know anything about them? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050718211603.0449ef48@mail.gogabriel.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050718211603.0449ef48@mail.gogabriel.com> Message-ID: <42DC90FB.3020701@pennyonthesidewalk.com> It's decent enough, I like it. My virus checker (ZoneAlarm) - and most likely, others - are adept at killing bad files coming in via it (though you still need to be diligent) - just explain to them that when your VC finds something, it'll yank it out from Limewire, which will say "File is corrupt" (or words to that effect) - this is different from another which is "appears to be corrupt, continue?" - the file is corrupt is the infected file so, just tell them that there's no point to/they shouldn't try to re-download that one. Ethics and legalities, I'll leave up to you. :) Robert Audrey Blumeneau wrote: > Greetings, > > My son and his friends have come across some file sharing program that > his friends are using for sharing music.....little red flags go up in > my mind when I hear this so I thought I would ask this lovely > community if anyone knows anything - good or bad - about this. Is it > trustworthy? How can I find out if it is safe to use on my computer....? > > www.limewire.com > > Thanks for any comments, links to reviews, articles etc. > > Cheers, > > Audrey > From skquinn at speakeasy.net Tue Jul 19 04:05:47 2005 From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:05:47 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Limewire - know anything about them? In-Reply-To: <20050719044113.ZJFV12283.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@Satellite> References: <20050719044113.ZJFV12283.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@Satellite> Message-ID: <1121763948.30651.0.camel@xevious> On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 21:41 -0700, Doug Filteau wrote: > Safe, yes (with the usual caveats) but not legal in the US (I'm in > Canada). Care to elaborate on this? This is certainly a surprise to me. -- Shawn K. Quinn From hershelr at netvision.net.il Tue Jul 19 05:13:56 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:13:56 +0300 Subject: [thelist] International Payment Gateway In-Reply-To: <42DC0903.5060708@neptunewebworks.com> References: <42DC0159.5060803@netvision.net.il> <42DC0903.5060708@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <42DCD264.4080504@netvision.net.il> > That said, if you have trouble going that route, WorldPay is probably > your best bet. They support global card types and currencies - and will > even perform the currency conversion at the time of sale. However, > their discount rate[0] is higher than most, at something like 4%. Thank you. We will look into this. > I don't suppose you have the option to use the Paypal API...? Hadn't actually thought of that. We will also look into this. Thank you both, Hershel From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 08:21:58 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:21:58 -0400 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting Message-ID: I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was looking for opinons and horror stories, if any. From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Tue Jul 19 08:43:09 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:43:09 +0100 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting Message-ID: > I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was > looking for opinons and horror stories, if any. Be wary of their technical support! I moved my email hosting to them, having spoken to their tech support by phone and been assured that I didn't have to have my DNS hosted with them in order for it to work. A couple of weeks later I started getting "reminder" emails from their system telling me that my email hosting would be deleted if I didn't move my DNS to them. They then rather sheepishly told me that their initial advice had been wrong after all. So I had to cancel the package. Annoying. (I now host my email at www.fasthosts.co.uk who seem much more laid back and flexible.) That's just email hosting; your mileage may vary, especially if what you're doing is fairly straightforward and fits with how their automated system likes to do things. Jason From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Tue Jul 19 08:58:58 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (emily tarrant) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:58:58 +0100 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1121781538.42dd0722adf60@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Dan McCullough : > I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was looking > for opinons and horror stories, if any. > -- Hey Dan I've recently moved my website away from 1and1. No real horror story, just not very impressed with their customer service - getting answers to emails was a bit of an effort. When I decided to start reselling I looked for a better deal and moved my website over to that. Am much happier with the new lot - they actually respond to emails! Emily From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 08:58:07 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:58:07 -0400 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have our own email server for corporate, I know sometimes that can be a sticking point with smaller hosting companies. I am a Unix admin and have another on staff so with our other host we just made the edits to the files ourselves and never had any problems. So thanks for the heads up. On 7/19/05, Jason Handby wrote: > > I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was > > looking for opinons and horror stories, if any. > > Be wary of their technical support! > > I moved my email hosting to them, having spoken to their tech support by > phone and been assured that I didn't have to have my DNS hosted with > them in order for it to work. A couple of weeks later I started getting > "reminder" emails from their system telling me that my email hosting > would be deleted if I didn't move my DNS to them. They then rather > sheepishly told me that their initial advice had been wrong after all. > So I had to cancel the package. Annoying. > > (I now host my email at www.fasthosts.co.uk who seem much more laid back > and flexible.) > > That's just email hosting; your mileage may vary, especially if what > you're doing is fairly straightforward and fits with how their automated > system likes to do things. > > > > Jason > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- Get Firefox! From pms at stoutstreet.com Tue Jul 19 09:00:39 2005 From: pms at stoutstreet.com (patrick) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:00:39 -0700 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42DD0787.6080302@stoutstreet.com> Jason Handby wrote: >>I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was >>looking for opinons and horror stories, if any. > > > That's just email hosting; your mileage may vary, especially if what > you're doing is fairly straightforward and fits with how their automated > system likes to do things. > > This last bit is key for most every host around -- automated systems are very much the norm. Not all hosts have the flexibility to do things that are outside what their web interfaces can handle. And this isn't always an issue of ignorance -- it can be quite a management issue to track each individual change and it's impact on the server, etc. -- patrick sanders http://www.stoutstreet.com web sites that fit From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 09:02:29 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:02:29 -0400 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone have suggestions on a host with good uptime and speed? On 7/19/05, Dan McCullough wrote: > We have our own email server for corporate, I know sometimes that can > be a sticking point with smaller hosting companies. I am a Unix admin > and have another on staff so with our other host we just made the > edits to the files ourselves and never had any problems. So thanks > for the heads up. > > On 7/19/05, Jason Handby wrote: > > > I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was > > > looking for opinons and horror stories, if any. > > > > Be wary of their technical support! > > > > I moved my email hosting to them, having spoken to their tech support by > > phone and been assured that I didn't have to have my DNS hosted with > > them in order for it to work. A couple of weeks later I started getting > > "reminder" emails from their system telling me that my email hosting > > would be deleted if I didn't move my DNS to them. They then rather > > sheepishly told me that their initial advice had been wrong after all. > > So I had to cancel the package. Annoying. > > > > (I now host my email at www.fasthosts.co.uk who seem much more laid back > > and flexible.) > > > > That's just email hosting; your mileage may vary, especially if what > > you're doing is fairly straightforward and fits with how their automated > > system likes to do things. > > > > > > > > Jason > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > > -- > Get > Firefox! > -- Get Firefox! From pms at stoutstreet.com Tue Jul 19 09:06:09 2005 From: pms at stoutstreet.com (patrick) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:06:09 -0700 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting In-Reply-To: <1121781538.42dd0722adf60@netmail.pipex.net> References: <1121781538.42dd0722adf60@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <42DD08D1.6060907@stoutstreet.com> emily tarrant wrote: > Quoting Dan McCullough : > > >>I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was looking >>for opinons and horror stories, if any. >>-- > > > Hey Dan > > I've recently moved my website away from 1and1. No real horror story, just not > very impressed with their customer service - getting answers to emails was a bit > of an effort. When I decided to start reselling I looked for a better deal and > moved my website over to that. Am much happier with the new lot - they actually > respond to emails! > > Emily Since hosting is such a commodity now, this is pretty much a defining characteristic: quality of service. I run a hosting company and recommend that if you are happy with your current host's service and price, then stay put. If not, that's a good sign to move on. -- patrick sanders http://www.stoutstreet.com web sites that fit From dwain at alforddesigngroup.com Tue Jul 19 09:10:28 2005 From: dwain at alforddesigngroup.com (dwain at alforddesigngroup.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:10:28 -0500 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42DD09D4.8060904@alforddesigngroup.com> Dan McCullough wrote: > I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was looking > for opinons and horror stories, if any. i've been with them for almost a year on a managed server. up time has been 99.9%. the .1% was when the server i was on had a dos attack. they were prompt about moving everyone on the server to another one. down time was around 24-36 hrs. tech support is lacking by email; phone support is much better, although i have rarely used either. the pricing is good. the "free" domain names are definitely a plus. i'm sure you will probably go with a dedicated server. as far as tech support, you're pretty much on your own. they will maintain the physical server (parts and labor). the server comes loaded with fedora core 3, maybe 4 since it's out. plesk is the admin console. other than this, i cannot comment on service or quality of their servers. i highly recommend them. i'm an affiliate, please use the link below if you decide to go with them. i certainly would appreciate it. regards, dwain http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=7653741 -- Dwain Alford dwain at alforddesigngroup.com http://www.alforddesigngroup.com "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Wassily Kandinsky, "Concerning The Spiritual In Art" From Groups at beachcomp.com Tue Jul 19 09:19:34 2005 From: Groups at beachcomp.com (Beach Computers) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:19:34 -0400 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200507191019621.SM07536@desktop> Since you asked, We offer quality Microsoft WindowsR based website hosting with extraordinary customer service and unsurpassed customer satisfaction. You can take advantage of our high performance Microsoft WindowsR based hosting plans starting at $4.95 a month. We value each and every customer and that's why they are so happy and satisfied with us. We offer great support, an extensive KB and quick response times. We do not oversell, therefore have a great uptime and quality of service. We've also been in the hosting business since 2001, so not only are we experts at what we do, but we are also a stable company and not going anywhere with your data and money. 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If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email, so that the sender's address records can be corrected. Views and opinions are solely those of the sender unless clearly indicated as being that of Beach Computers or any of it's affiliated companies. Beach Computers cannot assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained or that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Dan McCullough Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:02 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] 1and1 hosting Does anyone have suggestions on a host with good uptime and speed? On 7/19/05, Dan McCullough wrote: > We have our own email server for corporate, I know sometimes that can > be a sticking point with smaller hosting companies. I am a Unix admin > and have another on staff so with our other host we just made the > edits to the files ourselves and never had any problems. So thanks > for the heads up. > > On 7/19/05, Jason Handby wrote: > > > I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was > > > looking for opinons and horror stories, if any. > > > > Be wary of their technical support! > > > > I moved my email hosting to them, having spoken to their tech > > support by phone and been assured that I didn't have to have my DNS > > hosted with them in order for it to work. A couple of weeks later I > > started getting "reminder" emails from their system telling me that > > my email hosting would be deleted if I didn't move my DNS to them. > > They then rather sheepishly told me that their initial advice had been wrong after all. > > So I had to cancel the package. Annoying. > > > > (I now host my email at www.fasthosts.co.uk who seem much more laid > > back and flexible.) > > > > That's just email hosting; your mileage may vary, especially if what > > you're doing is fairly straightforward and fits with how their > > automated system likes to do things. > > > > > > > > Jason > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and > > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the > > Web, evolt ! > > > > > -- > Get > Firefox! > -- Get Firefox! -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Tue Jul 19 11:48:18 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (emily tarrant) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:48:18 +0100 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility Message-ID: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> Hey everyone I've offered to do a portfolio site for a friend and am going to use it as a learning experience. I'm very comfortable creating static xhtml + css websites, but this time I'd like to incorporate a way for my friend (who has no html experience) to easily update the site himself - mostly adding or replacing images, but also occasional bits of text. The site will be on a very small scale initially (I imagine along the lines of 5 pages), so it strikes me that a full-blown cms would be over-kill. Can anyone recommend a simple way to allow someone with no experience of web design to update their site? Although I'm keen to learn, I don't yet have any experience of php, so don't have the option of writing something myself from scratch (if that's the way to go...). I would appreciate any advice/words of wisdom from those more knowledgeable than myself :-) Emily -- From mrees at itsagoodprice.com Tue Jul 19 12:01:32 2005 From: mrees at itsagoodprice.com (Mark Rees) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:01:32 +0100 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> I did this for someone a few years ago and ended up writing a basic local editor in vbscript, and providing ftp instructions for the finished files. I don't recommend that course of action! www.brinkster.com offer a hosting solution for $3/month which includes a basic cms application (called website builder). I haven't tried it out in depth but it looks like it might fit the bill for you. I host a site on Brinkster but have no other connection with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "emily tarrant" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: [thelist] easy update facility > Hey everyone > > I've offered to do a portfolio site for a friend and am going to use it as a > learning experience. I'm very comfortable creating static xhtml + css websites, > but this time I'd like to incorporate a way for my friend (who has no html > experience) to easily update the site himself - mostly adding or replacing > images, but also occasional bits of text. The site will be on a very small scale > initially (I imagine along the lines of 5 pages), so it strikes me that a > full-blown cms would be over-kill. Can anyone recommend a simple way to allow > someone with no experience of web design to update their site? Although I'm keen > to learn, I don't yet have any experience of php, so don't have the option of > writing something myself from scratch (if that's the way to go...). > > I would appreciate any advice/words of wisdom from those more knowledgeable than > myself :-) > > Emily > > -- > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Tue Jul 19 12:15:51 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (emily tarrant) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:15:51 +0100 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> Message-ID: <1121793351.42dd35479a7bd@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Mark Rees : > www.brinkster.com offer a hosting solution for $3/month which includes a > basic cms application (called website builder). I haven't tried it out in > depth but it looks like it might fit the bill for you. I host a site on > Brinkster but have no other connection with them. > Thanks for the suggestion Mark, but I'm really keen to find something that allows me to be fully in control of the design of the site - so not based on templates. Am I expecting too much? Emily From nepolon at worlddomination.net Tue Jul 19 12:31:47 2005 From: nepolon at worlddomination.net (Steve Lewis) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:31:47 -0700 Subject: [thelist] current PHP: PEAR, etc? Message-ID: <42DD3903.8020108@worlddomination.net> I haven't actively written or maintained any PHP projects in a number of years (since PHP4 was brand spankin new). I haven't used PEAR and don't know what tools or libraries have really become ubiquitous since then. Does anyone know of any web resources that specialize in disseminating the sort of information I will need in order to catch up on current trends? I am not looking for a newbie guide. I am not looking for a reference for PHP. I am not looking for help in learning Object Oriented Design (I have been doing OO programming longer than PHP has been around). I am looking for style and library guides. I am particularly interested in seeing the models and libraries the PHP community has settled on using (FSVO settled) for organizing and writing server-side code. I will also take recommendations for dead-tree format guides, but given the expected delivery time and investment necessary in those, I would like to find some web links to keep me engaged until the recommended books arrive. tia Steve Lewis From meganwh at wi.rr.com Tue Jul 19 12:26:58 2005 From: meganwh at wi.rr.com (Megan Holbrook) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:26:58 -0500 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <42DD37E2.1020106@wi.rr.com> emily tarrant wrote: Can anyone recommend a simple way to allow > someone with no experience of web design to update their site? Although I'm keen > to learn, I don't yet have any experience of php, so don't have the option of > writing something myself from scratch (if that's the way to go...). I would think Macromedia Contribute would be a reasonable solution (<$100). It allows a non-technical user to update content on the site. It does require a tiny bit of training, but overall is fairly easy to use. HTH, M. -- Megan Holbrook - megan at kapow.com Partner - Business Development kapow, inc. (www.kapow.com) - website design and development kapow, inc. Milwaukee kapow, inc. Los Angeles 2405 E. Wyoming Place 1301 Montana Ave., Suite A Milwaukee, WI 53202 Santa Monica, CA 90403 T: 414-273-2446 * F: 419-278-9056 T: 310.394.5276 * F: 310.394.5278 From pms at stoutstreet.com Tue Jul 19 12:30:09 2005 From: pms at stoutstreet.com (patrick) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:30:09 -0700 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <1121793351.42dd35479a7bd@netmail.pipex.net> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> <1121793351.42dd35479a7bd@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <42DD38A1.1050200@stoutstreet.com> emily tarrant wrote: > Quoting Mark Rees : > > >>www.brinkster.com offer a hosting solution for $3/month which includes a >>basic cms application (called website builder). I haven't tried it out in >>depth but it looks like it might fit the bill for you. I host a site on >>Brinkster but have no other connection with them. >> > > > Thanks for the suggestion Mark, but I'm really keen to find something that > allows me to be fully in control of the design of the site - so not based on > templates. Am I expecting too much? > Have you considered something like Textpattern or WordPress? And doing your own CMS-lite with PHP is not too difficult -- if you have a bit of time and the desire to do it. -- patrick sanders http://www.stoutstreet.com web sites that fit From mr.sanders at designshift.com Tue Jul 19 12:34:07 2005 From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:34:07 -0300 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout Message-ID: <42DD398F.7000601@designshift.com> I'm in serious need of some guidance in trying to complete this css-based, trying-to-be-fluid layout I've working on for a few days now: http://sarah.designshift.com/test/20050719-layout.html Basically, I want the nav div (the green one) to be to the left of the content div (the pink one). I then want the width of the content div to fill the rest of the page. And, if possible, I'd like to be able to limit the width of the content div to a certain maximum (maybe 1200px). Any pointers, or examples of similar layouts I can check out? Thanks! -- sarah sweeney web developer & programmer portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com blog: http://hardedge.ca From stevec at topdogstrategy.com Tue Jul 19 12:40:12 2005 From: stevec at topdogstrategy.com (Steve Clason) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:40:12 -0600 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <42DD3AFC.7040409@topdogstrategy.com> On 7/19/2005 10:48 AM emily tarrant wrote: > I've offered to do a portfolio site for a friend and am going to use it as a > learning experience. I'm very comfortable creating static xhtml + css websites, > but this time I'd like to incorporate a way for my friend (who has no html > experience) to easily update the site himself - mostly adding or replacing > images, but also occasional bits of text. The site will be on a very small scale > initially (I imagine along the lines of 5 pages), so it strikes me that a > full-blown cms would be over-kill. Can anyone recommend a simple way to allow > someone with no experience of web design to update their site? Although I'm keen > to learn, I don't yet have any experience of php, so don't have the option of > writing something myself from scratch (if that's the way to go...). Hi Emily, If your client can spring for Contribute ($100?)and you have Dreamweaver, I've found that combination to work well for small sites. -- Steve Clason Web Design and Development Boulder, Colorado, USA www.topdogstrategy.com (303)818-8590 From journalized at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 06:09:45 2005 From: journalized at gmail.com (Mike Little) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:09:45 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Blog, that saves and displays the content sent by email In-Reply-To: <200507190146.BHG53348@ms12.netsolmail.com> References: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B2966E3@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com> <200507190146.BHG53348@ms12.netsolmail.com> Message-ID: <7235ce7805071904096f187299@mail.gmail.com> On 19/07/05, Markus Staas wrote: > Hi list, > > I have seen a blog in which the owner could add new content by simply > sending an email to a specified address on the server, the contents of that > email would then be rendered, saved and displayed by the blog engine, but I > cannot remember the name of the blog, or there are even maybe more blogs > with such feature. > > Can you help me out? Cheers, > > > Markus > Wordpress ( http://wordpress.org/ ) supports blogging by email. Instructions here http://codex.wordpress.org/Blog_by_Email Mike -- Mike Little http://zed1.com/journalized/ From hassan at webtuitive.com Tue Jul 19 12:48:53 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:48:53 -0700 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <42DD3AFC.7040409@topdogstrategy.com> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <42DD3AFC.7040409@topdogstrategy.com> Message-ID: <42DD3D05.2070904@webtuitive.com> Steve Clason wrote: > If your client can spring for Contribute ($100?)and you have > Dreamweaver, I've found that combination to work well for small sites. And if you *don't* have Dreamweaver and your client wants to use Contribute, be prepared for a learning curve creating a site that uses non-table-based markup that'll work with it... :-) -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From ron.luther at hp.com Tue Jul 19 13:26:45 2005 From: ron.luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:26:45 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP support going away? Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76D1F@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Hi Folks, One of our infrastructure architects is making a claim that MS "will not be supporting ASP much longer since they are pushing .net". Sounds kinda odd to me ... But is there any truth to that? (I'm trying to make a claim that moving some of our REALLY REALLY old-school ASP reports [we're talking ASP 1.0 here folks - with radio buttons written as VB subroutines instead of form elements(!) - these boogers are something like 10+ years old] to a new .net server will take less maintenance effort to keep them running than rewriting them in a new technology that we will have to retrain our users in. Am I relatively on-track ... Or clueless as usual?) Thanks Much, RonL. From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Tue Jul 19 13:43:29 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:43:29 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASP support going away? Message-ID: > One of our infrastructure architects is making a claim that MS > "will not be supporting ASP much longer since they are pushing > .net". Define 'supporting' If I have a Win2K server, it'll run 'old' ASP. Nothing MS does will kill that. If I upgrade my server someday, who knows what scripting languages it'll support. On Win2K3 I can use .NET or 'old' ASP. On Win2K5, I suspect I'll have no choice (other than switch to UNIX and PHP, of course ;) If I want tech support with my 'old' ASP infrastructure, I'll be calling a consultant, not MS. If you want to move to .NET, convince someone how it will save (or earn) money, or eliminate a genuine threat to a critical business function. Yes, I am the master of The Answer You Didn't Want. With seven kids and one on the way, it's my job :) joel From bj at kickasswebdesign.com Tue Jul 19 13:48:50 2005 From: bj at kickasswebdesign.com (BJ) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:48:50 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Blog, that saves and displays the content sent by email Message-ID: <42DD4B12.2060706@kickasswebdesign.com> "I have seen a blog in which the owner could add new content by simply sending an email" This is a feature that's fairly standard for most blogs, and I think if you check you'll find that most of the major players offer it. I know for sure that Blogger (script remotely hosted) and WordPress (php/mysql script that runs on your server/host) do. One caveat- if you have your blog set up to accept email entries you must keep that blog email address very secret. If you don't then anyone who has it can post to that blog. -- Ciao for Now, bj http://kickasswebdesign.com devblog: http://kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/ "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound says I'm squeaky clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0529-0, 07/18/2005 Tested on: 7/19/2005 2:48:52 PM From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Jul 19 13:49:01 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:49:01 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASP support going away? Message-ID: <19986e4a5e53456bb842ac513236f432@easylistbox.com> Depends on what you mean by "support". Heck, MS barely supports ASP.NET 1.0 anymore, and 2.0 isn't even out yet! If you don't get a more satisfactory answer here, you might consider asking in a more MS-oriented development group, like http://aspfriends.com, http://forums.asp.net, or http://aspadvice.com . Chances are that more people there are keeping abreast of the current support situations. HTH, Peter From: "Luther, Ron" ron.luther at hp.com Hi Folks, One of our infrastructure architects is making a claim that MS "will not be supporting ASP much longer since they are pushing .net". Sounds kinda odd to me ... But is there any truth to that? (I'm trying to make a claim that moving some of our REALLY REALLY old-school ASP reports [we're talking ASP 1.0 here folks - with radio buttons written as VB subroutines instead of form elements(!) - these boogers are something like 10+ years old] to a new .net server will take less maintenance effort to keep them running than rewriting them in a new technology that we will have to retrain our users in. Am I relatively on-track ... Or clueless as usual?) Thanks Much, RonL. From manuel.gonzalez.noriega at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 14:05:00 2005 From: manuel.gonzalez.noriega at gmail.com (manuel.gonzalez.noriega at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:05:00 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Blog, that saves and displays the content sent by email In-Reply-To: <42DD4B12.2060706@kickasswebdesign.com> References: <42DD4B12.2060706@kickasswebdesign.com> Message-ID: > if you have your > blog set up to accept email entries you must keep that blog email > address very secret. If you don't then anyone who has it can post to > that blog. Really? A 'user/pass in the subject' authentication system can't be that hard to write surely :) -- Manuel a veces :) a veces :( pero siempre trabajando duro para Simplel?gica: apariencia, experiencia y comunicaci?n en la web. http://simplelogica.net # (+34) 985 22 12 65 ?Ah! y escribiendo en Logicola: http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ From mwarden at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 14:23:37 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:23:37 -0400 Subject: [thelist] current PHP: PEAR, etc? In-Reply-To: <42DD3903.8020108@worlddomination.net> References: <42DD3903.8020108@worlddomination.net> Message-ID: <42DD5339.8000806@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lewis wrote: > (I have been doing OO programming longer than PHP has been around). I I would hope so! Learning OOP in PHP is not something I would suggest ;-) > am looking for style and library guides. I am particularly interested > in seeing the models and libraries the PHP community has settled on > using (FSVO settled) for organizing and writing server-side code. I do not know of a site like you are searching for. Best I can produce are google search results: http://www.google.com/search?&q=introduction%20to%20PEAR However, I was not impressed by the #1 hit. Anyway, my favorite PEAR modules are PEAR::DB[1] and PEAR::HTML_QuickForm[2]. Other than QuickForm, I tend to stay away from the PEAR::HTML* packages and use Smarty[3] instead. I don't feel like creating HTML elements in an OOP way fits into a typical development environment. For example, what is the point of creating an HTML table with PEAR::HTML_Table? Typically I am provided a template from a designer. Converting that into a bunch of PEAR::HTML_Table calls seems counterproductive when compared to the minimal changes that are necessary to turn it into a Smarty template. And, by the way, PEAR::HTML_QuickForm and Smarty play really nice together. I use the combo whenever I can. For more: http://pear.php.net/packages.php There is a lot of good stuff in PEAR, but most of it is only interesting to discuss if you have a specific need. I would suggest also taking a look at the Horde framework[4] and the binarycload framework[5], although I have not used the latter. A bit more crazy would be Prado[6], Cake[7], and Seagull[8]. I have done nothing with these except look into them. [1] http://pear.php.net/package/DB [2] http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_QuickForm [3] http://smarty.php.net [4] http://horde.org/ [5] http://www.binarycloud.com/ [6] http://www.xisc.com/ [7] http://sputnik.pl/cake/ [8] http://seagull.phpkitchen.com/ - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC3VM5AQ0d4HGyPE8RAjg5AJ9Ox+3mFE9CKMvI96K73UYuPCeqXACdFYzn OuM04suqsse/JJ8Q6Bt/feI= =wcp0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From JLIST at UNIONINTERACTIVE.COM Tue Jul 19 16:08:06 2005 From: JLIST at UNIONINTERACTIVE.COM (JLIST EMAIL) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:08:06 -0400 Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1121807858.10425@mx64a.mysite4now.com> I am in the midst of a nightmare issue with them. I have about 40 domains registered with them and when I registered them 1yr ago I had specifically set all of them to manual renewal. I just received 3 invoices for those 40 domains RENEWALS. I emailed them, they eventually responded and told me nothing really. Basically, how to cancel a package. Now, the package thing... Whatever it is, it is the most confusing thing I have ever encountered. Either that, or its so simple that I cant see it. I have 40 domains, I bought them all at once and yet there are 3 packages of domains on their system for some God-unknown reason. One has 9 domains, another 15 domains and the other 16 domains. Whatever. I cant edit the details of any of the domains and they haven't responded to any of my tech support questions which I submitted online. The interface is also, by far, one of the most confusing interfaces to manage domains that I have ever seen in my life! So just this morning, I asked them HOW I could transfer them away from 1 & 1 to Godaddy where I have many other domains AND I also have sites there. I am done with them. You really DO get what you pay for, so beware. So far, no answer from tech support. Not sure it even exists over there. Since I don't have an hosting services through 1 & 1, I cant say how that will be for you. But, if you go with them, tread carefully because it seems they will not let you out of their grip. I have had much experience with Register.com, Network Solutions and Godaddy. I like Godaddy the most. If you're looking for a good bit of database space as well as high transfer volume - check out www.webhosting4life.com also. Lastly, if you go with 1&1 - good luck and I hope you have a much better experience that I have been dealing with. // -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Dan McCullough Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:22 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] 1and1 hosting I'm looking at moving my companies hosting to 1and1 and was looking for opinons and horror stories, if any. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Tue Jul 19 16:30:58 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (Emily Tarrant) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:30:58 +0100 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <42DD3D05.2070904@webtuitive.com> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <42DD3AFC.7040409@topdogstrategy.com> <42DD3D05.2070904@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <42DD7112.2030004@dsl.pipex.com> Hassan Schroeder wrote: > Steve Clason wrote: > >> If your client can spring for Contribute ($100?)and you have >> Dreamweaver, I've found that combination to work well for small sites. > > > And if you *don't* have Dreamweaver and your client wants to use > Contribute, be prepared for a learning curve creating a site that > uses non-table-based markup that'll work with it... :-) > Thanks for all the responses so far! I do have Dreamweaver but don't use it (I'm a TextPad girl!). Is it the template/non-editable-area functions of Dreamweaver that I would particularly need to use Contribute? I've looked at Contribute briefly before and have been tempted by the promise not to mess with your coding, so it's definitely an option. My trial version ran out months ago though. Maybe I should invest in a copy to do some more extensive trials. I'll even make an effort to use Dreamweaver if there is really benefit to doing so in this situation. Cheers for the help! I'm really keen to progress in my web design skills, but sometimes it can be difficult to know how to go about it. Emily From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Tue Jul 19 16:36:42 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (Emily Tarrant) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:36:42 +0100 Subject: [thelist] easy update facility In-Reply-To: <42DD38A1.1050200@stoutstreet.com> References: <1121791698.42dd2ed2524e0@netmail.pipex.net> <01c801c58c83$86edc120$4500010a@gammaglobal.com> <1121793351.42dd35479a7bd@netmail.pipex.net> <42DD38A1.1050200@stoutstreet.com> Message-ID: <42DD726A.8080205@dsl.pipex.com> patrick wrote: >And doing your own CMS-lite with PHP is not too difficult -- if you have >a bit of time and the desire to do it. > > > Hey Patrick I have thought about WordPress. I've been playing around a bit with it recently, but it doesn't seem to have an easy way to upload images (my partner is doing a bit of a blog and I have to explain how to do the images every time...). As this is going to be a photography site, the images are the main focus. As for PHP, I definitely have the desire, but at the moment not the time! I even took a week off work recently with the intention of working through a PHP tutorial book, but other things inevitably took over. Am very keen to learn though. Maybe I should get someone to read PHP to me while I sleep so that when I wake up in the morning I miraculously know it. Worth a try? Emily From lists at semioticpixels.com Tue Jul 19 17:17:07 2005 From: lists at semioticpixels.com (chris) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:17:07 -0700 Subject: [thelist] help with fluid css layout In-Reply-To: <42DD398F.7000601@designshift.com> Message-ID: <000001c58caf$9a6d7fc0$6701a8c0@bluedew> Hey Sarah, I would: In the html, - add a   or char to the header - move nav above content In the css [1] - float #content left and change it's width to auto - to #content add max-width: 1200 and use IE's "dynamic" expression to force IE to recognize max-width. hth -chris [1] [2]

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