From hershelr at netvision.net.il Mon Sep 5 02:25:57 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:25:57 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Validation question In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20050905013347.0257c578@pop.gmx.net> References: <21e4a1280509041005146cba5b@mail.gmail.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20050905013347.0257c578@pop.gmx.net> Message-ID: <431BF305.5090205@netvision.net.il> >> The following HTML validates with any (AFAIK) >> doctype: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> > > > Not with a (X)HTML Strict doctype. Correct: Error Line 8 column 21: document type does not allow element "img" here; missing one of "p", "h1", "h2", "h3", "h4", "h5", "h6", "div", "address", "fieldset", "ins", "del" start-tag. I stand corrected. Thanks, Hershel From email at kristinafloyd.co.uk Mon Sep 5 03:27:01 2005 From: email at kristinafloyd.co.uk (Kristina Floyd) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:27:01 +0100 Subject: [thelist] A 100% horizontal navigation bar Message-ID: <431C0155.7090409@kristinafloyd.co.uk> Hello List I'm trying to find an example of a horizontal nav bar that expands and detracts according to its width (there is no start width set). And is always 100% of the width, with the buttons filling up what ever space is available. Currently there are 7 buttons, written in the HTML as a list and then displayed with graphics and inline via the CSS. To see an example that my colleague is working on please go to If you know of any examples of this, I have searched the net but can only really come up with horizontal nav bars that have an absolute start width, or only take up part of the horizontal bar. TIA Kristina From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 05:57:43 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:57:43 +0300 Subject: [thelist] A 100% horizontal navigation bar In-Reply-To: <431C0155.7090409@kristinafloyd.co.uk> References: <431C0155.7090409@kristinafloyd.co.uk> Message-ID: The example seems pretty consistent, What's the problem in it exactly? Cheers, Volkan. On 9/5/05, Kristina Floyd wrote: > Hello List > > I'm trying to find an example of a horizontal nav bar that expands and > detracts according to its width (there is no start width set). And is > always 100% of the width, with the buttons filling up what ever space is > available. > > Currently there are 7 buttons, written in the HTML as a list and then > displayed with graphics and inline via the CSS. > > To see an example that my colleague is working on please go to > > > If you know of any examples of this, I have searched the net but can > only really come up with horizontal nav bars that have an absolute start > width, or only take up part of the horizontal bar. > > TIA > Kristina > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com Mon Sep 5 06:08:59 2005 From: lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com (Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE)) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:08:59 +0100 Subject: [thelist] A 100% horizontal navigation bar Message-ID: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AB9@irm80489> > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina Floyd [mailto:email at kristinafloyd.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:27 AM > > I'm trying to find an example of a horizontal nav bar that > expands and > detracts according to its width (there is no start width > set). And is > always 100% of the width, with the buttons filling up what > ever space is > available. > > Currently there are 7 buttons, written in the HTML as a list and then > displayed with graphics and inline via the CSS. > > To see an example that my colleague is working on please go to >

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If we gave every 'button' the same width it could be too short or wrap, because of the rounding required to convert from percentage to pixels. In my example, I have specified a width and float:left (in favour of display:inline) on all the divs except the last. The last one has an unspecified width, so it occupies the remainder of the space. - LK =========================================================== Our e-mail domain has now changed from iraspire.com to hmrcaspire.com. Please update your address books. =========================================================== From bj at kickasswebdesign.com Mon Sep 5 07:51:49 2005 From: bj at kickasswebdesign.com (BJ) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:51:49 -0400 Subject: [thelist] a div/css formating question... Message-ID: <431C3F65.1020507@kickasswebdesign.com> "i can use divs to set up the header, the 'nav_menu area, as well as the left area/right area. my question comes when i want to create a 'footer' area that will more or less move depending on the length of the 'left/right' areas..." I use floats for this type of layout for the columns, then the footer is a simple 100% width and clear: both; Wrapping the two columns in a wrapper gives better behavior, and you'll possibly need some sort of clearing element just above the footer. More info here on footers: -- Ciao for Now, bj http://kickasswebdesign.com devblog: http://kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/ Kickass WebGeek Resources: http://kickasswebdesign.com/webgeekdir/ "Windows (win'-doze) (n.): 32-bit extensions to a 16-bit graphical shell for an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, and whose Operating System is 0% compared to Mac :)"-- stolen from Dean of etomite.org. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound says I'm squeaky clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0535-3, 09/02/2005 Tested on: 9/5/2005 8:51:51 AM From m-lists at bristav.se Mon Sep 5 14:56:10 2005 From: m-lists at bristav.se (marcus) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:56:10 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Javascript methods playing up In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd050904133443a0f704@mail.gmail.com> References: <431B54DD.1000006@firelightning.com> <30bd6ffd050904133443a0f704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431CA2DA.8010003@bristav.se> Christian Heilmann wrote: > Well, logically the document title cannot have children, so it does > make a bit of sense. > Well, logically title should have at least one child (and maybe more). A child isn't necessarily an element node. Comments, text and white space also counts as children and the text in this case is most definitely a text node (although maybe IE have a white space node as the first child, have no idea since I don't know how the document looks). /Marcus From iain at firelightning.com Mon Sep 5 17:14:20 2005 From: iain at firelightning.com (Iain) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:14:20 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Javascript methods playing up In-Reply-To: <431CA2DA.8010003@bristav.se> References: <431B54DD.1000006@firelightning.com> <30bd6ffd050904133443a0f704@mail.gmail.com> <431CA2DA.8010003@bristav.se> Message-ID: <431CC33C.5040900@firelightning.com> Hi Marcus, I've tried to reply twice to Christian's own reply already to make a similar point, but they have both mysteriously disappeared... I used the childNode.nodeValue method purely on the recommendation of PPK's Quirksmode page about including XML via Javascript. It specifically states that "text inside a tag is the nodeValue of the first childNode of that tag". Iain marcus wrote: > Christian Heilmann wrote: > >> Well, logically the document title cannot have children, so it does >> make a bit of sense. >> > Well, logically title should have at least one child (and maybe more). > A child isn't necessarily an element node. Comments, text and white > space also counts as children and the text in this case is most > definitely a text node (although maybe IE have a white space node as > the first child, have no idea since I don't know how the document looks). > > /Marcus > From matthias at die-legendaeren.de Tue Sep 6 01:23:13 2005 From: matthias at die-legendaeren.de (Matthias Willerich) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:23:13 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Re: Trying to create table in MySQL DB with phpmyadmin In-Reply-To: <0MKt64-1ECEnS1Ql2-0008Cu@mxeu9.kundenserver.de> Message-ID: Chris, You shouldn't use BIGINT for the id, at least not if you're using mysql_insert_id() in the php, as this might return the wrong number. http://uk.php.net/mysql_insert_id INT( 255 ) would probably be the next biggest candidate. When you get errors while creating a table, it's usually down to using a keyword(which you can escape) or to not putting in a value for the size of the field. Not all fields want one, but hey, most do, and it makes you think about the needed dimensions as well. Matthias From matthias at die-legendaeren.de Tue Sep 6 01:31:25 2005 From: matthias at die-legendaeren.de (Matthias Willerich) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:31:25 +0100 Subject: [thelist] a div/css formating question... In-Reply-To: <0MKt64-1ECEnS1Ql2-0008Cu@mxeu9.kundenserver.de> Message-ID: Bruce, this might be a lot to read and understand, but here's an article about setting up a versatile CSS for a number of layout variations, yours included. http://www.contentwithstyle.co.uk/Articles/17/a-css-framework/ Matthias From bedouglas at earthlink.net Tue Sep 6 07:52:13 2005 From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 05:52:13 -0700 Subject: [thelist] look/feel guru... Message-ID: <0cdc01c5b2e1$ce083fc0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> hi... i know this is a lot to ask.. my asbestos suit is on!! i'm part of a really small group ((2-3) of us), and we're creating a couple of websites. we can get the basic functionality of the sites, but we're going to need help with the look/feel of the sites. this is a prototype/initial development project. this isn't a salaried opportunity, but if we're successful... who knows! but for now, we're trying to find someone who could/would want to help/be a part of this. if you're curious, the overall app(s) are targeted towards a function to handle used texbooks on the college campus, with a 2nd app focusing on netflix/peerflix... thanks bruce bedouglas at earthlink.net From amandakuek at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 08:14:17 2005 From: amandakuek at gmail.com (Amanda Kuek) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:14:17 +1000 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: Gday all, My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: How do you extract money from people via the internet? If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. - mank. From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 08:40:31 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:40:31 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hopefully meant as a joke, but " As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their credit card details (definite turn-off)" No nononononononnonnononnonononnono. PayPal is a very good alternative if you are looking for something inexpensive/cheap/free. There are other low cost alternatives, and all have their little pros and cons. I use PayPal and have never had very much problem with it, I can get my money at anytime and they have some very cool features. On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Gday all, > > My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > How do you extract money from people via the internet? > > If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example > in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? > > As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their > credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that > large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a > secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would > go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). > > Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. > > - mank. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From evolt at goonies.info Tue Sep 6 08:50:43 2005 From: evolt at goonies.info (Minh Lee Goon) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 08:50:43 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Firefox CSS Background Issue Message-ID: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> http://www.digeratidesignstudios.com/bahra/ Here's the URL for a web site that I'm currently working on. The background image that appears in the header in FF should continue down into the body, as it appears in IE. Short of cutting up the background image into several parts, does anyone have any suggestions how I can modify my style sheet so that the background carries through? Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Minh Lee Goon Digerati Design Studios . com From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Tue Sep 6 09:11:47 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:11:47 +0100 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: > and that system that large companies have where you can enter > your credit card details on a secure site, and it debits > immediately (if anyone knows how one would go about > implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). I've used Netbanx ( http://www.netbanx.co.uk/ ) to do this a few times now, and it's pretty straightforward. They host the secure pages that deal with credit card info, etc. so you don't have to. If you buy their bespoke integration package (I think it's about ?400) then you can basically sell any amount of anything. They also offer cheaper options if you're selling a limited range of products. Jason From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Sep 6 09:13:29 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:13:29 -0500 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> I find that the 419 scams tend to work pretty well. Seriously, though, if you're just starting out, Paypal is the way to go. I use it on EasyListBox.com, and it's really the perfect system for a small business. They have a lot of different options for the method of payment -- redirect to their site, shopping cart API, etc -- and their documentation is pretty complete (with a good user community as well). Getting a business account is a fairly easy, no-cost step, and once you have that, you also have an 800 number to contact them whenever you get stuck. Don't forget to get the Paypal debit card (also free) so that you have easier access to your funds... Plus you get a minimal cashback bonus whenever you use it to pay for goods and services, which helps to offset the transaction fee. Hope that helps, Peter -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org On Behalf Of Amanda Kuek Gday all, My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: How do you extract money from people via the internet? If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. - mank. From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:15:06 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:15:06 +0300 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: another option is taking the card details on a secure connection and processing them off-line. One of my clients who had not wanted a payment gateway integration due to budget constraints had chosen that option. Of course a payment gateway integration if possible is better. A direct integration is generally done by using the credit-card processing interface that a bank provides. Needless to say, it includes a lot expertise, experience and care. Since you are playing with money you have to take care of both application-wide and network-wide security issues into consideration as well. (application-wide: programmatic security leaks, network-wide: dmz, firewall, viruswall, filters and all that stuff) HTH, Volkan. On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Gday all, > > My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > How do you extract money from people via the internet? > > If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example > in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? > > As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their > credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that > large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a > secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would > go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). > > Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. > > - mank. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From dwain.alford at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:29:49 2005 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain alford) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:29:49 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Firefox CSS Background Issue In-Reply-To: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> References: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> Message-ID: <431DA7DD.3020805@gmail.com> Minh Lee Goon wrote: > http://www.digeratidesignstudios.com/bahra/ > > Here's the URL for a web site that I'm currently working on. The > background image that appears in the header in FF should continue down > into the body, as it appears in IE. Short of cutting up the background > image into several parts, does anyone have any suggestions how I can > modify my style sheet so that the background carries through? Any help > is appreciated. Thanks. > > Minh Lee Goon > Digerati Design Studios . com > put your background image in the container: #container {background-image:url(where it is)repeat-y;} -- dwain alford dwain.alford at gmail.com http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; "There is no such thing as sin;..." 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:28:09 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:28:09 +0300 Subject: [thelist] links move 1 px right when hovering over them (only once) in IE Message-ID: Hi workers of the web! Here's a site that i'm working on: http://www.pamukdedem.com/Template.html After the page's first load if you go to the bottom navigation and hover on the links the links tend to move 1px to right for the first time. Then they remain where they are. This occurs in ie6 W2K. It does not occur in FF. Do you have any idea of why this might happen? Is it yet another internet explorer rendering anomaly or do I miss something? TIA, Volkan. From ian at zstudio.co.uk Tue Sep 6 10:05:00 2005 From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:05:00 +0100 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431DB01C.5020109@zstudio.co.uk> Amanda Kuek wrote: >Gday all, > >My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy >hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > >How do you extract money from people via the internet? > I agree about Paypal being a good option. This is another alternative that's suited for content-related purchases online - http://www.bitpass.com/ Used to pay for premium content on Guy Kawasaki's site and others. They're funded by garage.com, Kawasaki's venture capital company. Worked well when I used it as a customer - I have no affiliation with them Cheers Ian From codepo8 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 10:12:17 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:12:17 +0100 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05090608121162a569@mail.gmail.com> On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Gday all, > > My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > How do you extract money from people via the internet? Find out their address, send thugs. There is a comparison of payment systems available: http://www.ecommerce-guide.com/solutions/secure_pay/article.php/776701 -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From evolt at goonies.info Tue Sep 6 10:47:40 2005 From: evolt at goonies.info (Minh Lee Goon) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:47:40 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Firefox CSS Background Issue In-Reply-To: <431DA7DD.3020805@gmail.com> References: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> <431DA7DD.3020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <431DBA1C.4050200@goonies.info> dwain alford wrote: > > put your background image in the container: > #container {background-image:url(where it is)repeat-y;} > Perhaps I should clarify: The burgundy background with the beige stripe is not the image I'm referring to. If you view the page in IE, you'll see that the sepia image that contains the header title is in a large image that fades to beige. In FF, that background doesn't show in the Navigation and Content layers. I already have the background image declared in the Container div. Thanks. From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 11:22:25 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards without spending a dime. --- Dan McCullough wrote: > Hopefully meant as a joke, but " As far as I can > tell, options include > forcing them to email you their credit card details > (definite > turn-off)" No nononononononnonnononnonononnono. > PayPal is a very good > alternative if you are looking for something > inexpensive/cheap/free. > There are other low cost alternatives, and all have > their little pros > and cons. I use PayPal and have never had very much > problem with it, > I can get my money at anytime and they have some > very cool features. > > On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > > Gday all, > > > > My question is that simple, age-old burning > question of greasy > > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > > > How do you extract money from people via the > internet? > > > > If you're trying to sell someone a service over a > website, for example > > in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them > pay for it? > > > > As far as I can tell, options include forcing them > to email you their > > credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, > and that system that > > large companies have where you can enter your > credit card details on a > > secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone > knows how one would > > go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to > hear it). > > > > Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. > > > > - mank. > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports > you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the > Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From codepo8 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 11:46:07 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:46:07 +0100 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd050906094615c2b426@mail.gmail.com> > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > without spending a dime. Which is an untrue statement, as paypal does charge you for using their services by means of transaction fees. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Sep 6 12:06:07 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:06:07 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <431DCC7F.6010802@neptunewebworks.com> Anthony Ettinger wrote: > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > without spending a dime. AFAIK it's still not possible to accept credit cards via PayPal without the customer having to use a payment form hosted by PayPal, with PayPal's look and feel rather than your site's, which is a turn-off for some customers (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Not everyone knows what PayPal is, in spite of its relative ubiquity, and may even associate it with phishing, since it has been such a common target. You need not be a "large company" to have a regular merchant account to accept credit cards directly. Get a business checking account if you don't have one already. Then you can get a credit card merchant account, which is much easier than some would have you believe, and is more likely to scale well as your business grows. Search the list archives for Joshua Olson's thread about merchant accounts a few months ago - a lot of good info was posted by him and others then. I personally recommend Practice Pay Solutions[0]. They're offering Authorize.Net-based solutions, have very good customer service and are strongly oriented toward independent professionals and microbusiness. (Full disclosure: I did webwork for them in the past). If you get a merchant account such as that offered by PPS, you will probably need an SSL certificate. Those can range from reasonable to exhorbitant. GoDaddy's SSL certs start at $30 [1], and are generally adequate. GeoTrust certificates are commonly offered for $50-100 by many hosting companies, inquire if yours does. [0] http://www.practicepaysolutions.com/ [1] https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 12:10:21 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd050906094615c2b426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050906171021.73192.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Depends actually. If it's personal-to-personal account, it is free up to $400. For premier and business accounts it is a standard percentage plus 30 cents transaction fee (around 2% I think, which is lower than any credit card processing service you would pay for accepting visas). Read their FAQ. --- Christian Heilmann wrote: > > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit > cards > > without spending a dime. > > Which is an untrue statement, as paypal does charge > you for using > their services by means of transaction fees. > > -- > Chris Heilmann > Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com > Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ > Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Sep 6 12:16:28 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:16:28 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Firefox CSS Background Issue In-Reply-To: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> References: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> Message-ID: <431DCEEC.6060800@neptunewebworks.com> Minh Lee Goon wrote: > http://www.digeratidesignstudios.com/bahra/ > Here's the URL for a web site that I'm currently working on. The > background image that appears in the header in FF should continue down > into the body, as it appears in IE. As usual, FF's rendering is more correct: you have floats inside a container, and no non-floated content, so the container contracts to the smallest non-floated area (which is 0px + your top padding). Add a clearing element below your floats, just before #Container's . Discussion: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ClearingSpace http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/ -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 12:16:57 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:16:57 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd050906094615c2b426@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> <30bd6ffd050906094615c2b426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry I meant no upfront fees. On 9/6/05, Christian Heilmann wrote: > > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > > without spending a dime. > > Which is an untrue statement, as paypal does charge you for using > their services by means of transaction fees. > > -- > Chris Heilmann > Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com > Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ > Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Sep 6 12:23:25 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:23:25 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: I think he meant to say that there are no startup costs, i.e. "without spending a dime until you make a sale". Also, Paypal's fee structure is pretty good compared to a lot of the other CC vendors (even better with 1.5% cash back when you use the debit card). From: Christian Heilmann > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > without spending a dime. Which is an untrue statement, as paypal does charge you for using their services by means of transaction fees. Chris Heilmann From jweiss at cox-internet.com Tue Sep 6 12:28:39 2005 From: jweiss at cox-internet.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:28:39 -0500 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? References: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> <431DCC7F.6010802@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <008f01c5b308$6c0c8fc0$98ffad46@weiss> I've used http://www.payquake.com in the past. They've got a couple different options including one similar to paypal. -jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maximillian Schwanekamp" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? > Anthony Ettinger wrote: > > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > > without spending a dime. > > If you get a merchant account such as that offered by PPS, you will > probably need an SSL certificate. Those can range from reasonable to > exhorbitant. GoDaddy's SSL certs start at $30 [1], and are generally > adequate. GeoTrust certificates are commonly offered for $50-100 by > many hosting companies, inquire if yours does. > > [0] http://www.practicepaysolutions.com/ > [1] https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp > > -- > Max Schwanekamp > http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From pieter at roosensdesign.com Tue Sep 6 12:47:39 2005 From: pieter at roosensdesign.com (Pieter Roosens) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:47:39 +0200 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> Message-ID: <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather unpleasant information on the net. It's hard to know how exceptional these are. Pieter ----------------------------------------- http://www.roosensdesign.com From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 12:51:02 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <431DCC7F.6010802@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <20050906175102.81155.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> PayPal is a simple cheap solution. Ideally, you'd have your own payment gateway, but not everybody can work with APIs. PayPal does have an API as well, for hosting the payment flow on your own server, for those not that technically inclined, the business account does have a few variables you can change on the hosted page template. And yes, they can pay with CC without signing up for a paypal account. It's called "Web Express Checkout". --- Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > Anthony Ettinger wrote: > > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit > cards > > without spending a dime. > > AFAIK it's still not possible to accept credit cards > via PayPal without > the customer having to use a payment form hosted by > PayPal, with > PayPal's look and feel rather than your site's, > which is a turn-off for > some customers (someone correct me if I'm wrong). > Not everyone knows > what PayPal is, in spite of its relative ubiquity, > and may even > associate it with phishing, since it has been such a > common target. > > You need not be a "large company" to have a regular > merchant account to > accept credit cards directly. Get a business > checking account if you > don't have one already. Then you can get a credit > card merchant > account, which is much easier than some would have > you believe, and is > more likely to scale well as your business grows. > Search the list > archives for Joshua Olson's thread about merchant > accounts a few months > ago - a lot of good info was posted by him and > others then. > > I personally recommend Practice Pay Solutions[0]. > They're offering > Authorize.Net-based solutions, have very good > customer service and are > strongly oriented toward independent professionals > and microbusiness. > (Full disclosure: I did webwork for them in the > past). > > If you get a merchant account such as that offered > by PPS, you will > probably need an SSL certificate. Those can range > from reasonable to > exhorbitant. GoDaddy's SSL certs start at $30 [1], > and are generally > adequate. GeoTrust certificates are commonly > offered for $50-100 by > many hosting companies, inquire if yours does. > > [0] http://www.practicepaysolutions.com/ > [1] https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp > > -- > Max Schwanekamp > http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Sep 6 12:53:55 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:53:55 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: <4ea507d21b464406be8cdd75417bc63a@easylistbox.com> From: Maximillian Schwanekamp lists at neptunewebworks.com > AFAIK it's still not possible to accept credit cards via PayPal without > the customer having to use a payment form hosted by PayPal, with > PayPal's look and feel rather than your site's, which is a turn-off for > some customers (someone correct me if I'm wrong). You're wrong :) https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_wp-pro-overview-outside. From peterl at standingwave.org Tue Sep 6 12:55:26 2005 From: peterl at standingwave.org (Peter Loron) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:55:26 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: <431DD80E.6020205@standingwave.org> I have a couple of clients who use them (low volume), and so far they haven't had any issues. -Pete Pieter Roosens wrote: > So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them > closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather > unpleasant information on the net. > It's hard to know how exceptional these are. > > Pieter > > ----------------------------------------- > http://www.roosensdesign.com > From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Sep 6 12:55:06 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:55:06 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: You know, I've read some of those, and I can't figure out how those things happened. Maybe they're true accounts, but I never hear about them from anybody I know. From: Pieter Roosens pieter at roosensdesign.com So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather unpleasant information on the net. It's hard to know how exceptional these are. Pieter From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 13:00:45 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: <20050906180046.4598.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Read this (FDIC passthru insurance): http://tinyurl.com/2l8ev The real problem is the phishing scam emails (of which PP can do nothing about). I recommend installing the Netcraft.net toolbar: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/ --- Pieter Roosens wrote: > So none of you have experienced any trouble with > Paypal? Like them > closing down accounts and things like that ? I found > a lot of rather > unpleasant information on the net. > It's hard to know how exceptional these are. > > Pieter > > ----------------------------------------- > http://www.roosensdesign.com > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 13:10:03 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:10:03 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've had my account since 1999, I've never had an issue with them shutting down account, I have read the accounts of these things occuring but I have never experienced anything like that. PayPal so far has been more reliable then my own banks. I have a problem with a vendor I find they are more then willing to help you with your problem. Are they perfect, no, but for me and the business I do they are fine. BTW I have used their API and they are pretty easy and there are many many examples of how to setup and use their system. I will hopefully be using their Gateway soon so I can get around their forms. On 9/6/05, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > You know, I've read some of those, and I can't figure out how those things happened. Maybe they're true accounts, but I never hear about them from anybody I know. > > From: Pieter Roosens pieter at roosensdesign.com > > So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them > closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather > unpleasant information on the net. > It's hard to know how exceptional these are. > > Pieter > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From Brian at hondaswap.com Tue Sep 6 13:10:50 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:10:50 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> Pieter Roosens wrote: > So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them > closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather > unpleasant information on the net. > It's hard to know how exceptional these are. > It happens... but it's much less frequent for merchants. The only time they freeze accounts is when the buyer files for reversal claiming they never got the product, etc. I've easily bought/sold about 20k worth through paypal in my day, and i've never had my account frozen. From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Sep 6 13:34:10 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:34:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <4ea507d21b464406be8cdd75417bc63a@easylistbox.com> References: <4ea507d21b464406be8cdd75417bc63a@easylistbox.com> Message-ID: <431DE122.2020706@neptunewebworks.com> Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > From: Maximillian Schwanekamp lists at neptunewebworks.com >>AFAIK it's still not possible to accept credit cards via PayPal without >>the customer having to use a payment form hosted by PayPal... > > You're wrong :) > https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_wp-pro-overview-outside. Cool! Thanks for the correction. OK, so I take back what I said about PayPal. Looks like their Website Payments Pro service is exactly like a regular credit card merchant account. Per-transaction rate is a bit high, but I guess that can be offset in various ways. It should be noted that working with their API is going to much the same as working with the API for another service. The more standard gateways such as Authorize.net, Verisign Payflow, etc have many prebuilt solutions available in multiple scripting languages, e.g. just about all shopping cart solutions support Authorize.Net. In any case development time should always be taken into account when choosing a solution. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From bedouglas at earthlink.net Tue Sep 6 13:51:10 2005 From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:51:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] a vertical line with div/css question!! Message-ID: <0dce01c5b313$f31de3a0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> (thanks for all the help with my prior footer question!!) hi... i'm curious as to how i could easily create a vertical line between the 'left area/right area' of the below diagram. i have a site/page structure that i want to look like the following: +------------------------------------------+ | | | Header | | | | | +------------------------------------------+ | (Nav Menus) | +------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | |(Left Side)| Right Side | | | (Text Area) | | | | | | | | Menu/ | | | Login | | | |<<<<--------------------------|------<< vertical line!! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +------------------------------------------+ | Footer | +------------------------------------------+ the issue that i'm having is that i can set up the css to draw a line for either the left or the right, based on the left-border, right-border, but it doesn't get me what i'm looking for, given that the two areas may not necessarily be the same legnth/size. so, i thought my solution would be to simply create a css/div that would have 'height: 100%;' and do a 1 px solid line. ummm.. nope, didn't work. instead it gave me a vertical liine that was longer than either left/right area.. i've looked through various sites/information but didn't find anything that gave me what i'm looking for. although i did run across some people who've apparently had a similar problem!! any pointers/solutions would be helpful. thanks -bruce bedouglas at earthlink.net From RPringle at aurora-il.org Tue Sep 6 13:52:52 2005 From: RPringle at aurora-il.org (Pringle, Ron) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:52:52 -0500 Subject: [thelist] a vertical line with div/css question!! Message-ID: <4A27645B1A4F4D4181909FA5D213FEF46D77F6@coaexb.coa.aurora-il.org> > hi... > > i'm curious as to how i could easily create a vertical line > between the > 'left area/right area' of the below diagram. > > i've looked through various sites/information but didn't find > anything that > gave me what i'm looking for. although i did run across some > people who've > apparently had a similar problem!! > > any pointers/solutions would be helpful. > > thanks > > -bruce Bruce- Take a look at the CSS-D Wiki concerning 2 column layouts. Essentially, if you want an any column longest layout, as you've indicated, your border will end up being a background image for a containing div. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=TwoColumnLayouts Regards, Ron From ian at zstudio.co.uk Tue Sep 6 14:05:23 2005 From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:05:23 +0100 Subject: [thelist] a vertical line with div/css question!! In-Reply-To: <0dce01c5b313$f31de3a0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> References: <0dce01c5b313$f31de3a0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> Message-ID: <431DE873.6020007@zstudio.co.uk> bruce wrote: >i'm curious as to how i could easily create a vertical line between the >'left area/right area' of the below diagram. > Hi Bruce, as far as I know, the usual way to achieve this would be to have a wrapper div around the left and right divs, and apply a background image to that wrapper. Something like this, if you're using floats.

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#wrapper { background: url(vertical_tiling_image_with_line.gif) repeat-y; } #left { float: left; width: 20%; } #right { float: right; } .clear { clear: both; } with the floats, remember that to avoid certain CSS bugs in IE, you need to apply position:relative; and an explicit width or height to all floated elements. This can be done unobtrusively using something like this: * html #left, * html #right{ position: relative; height: 1%; } "* html" is a contextual selector that starts from a phantom element outside the HTML element; to date, only IE has this element, and so good browsers ignore the rule. Hope this helps Cheers Ian From oktellme at earthlink.net Tue Sep 6 17:05:40 2005 From: oktellme at earthlink.net (Lightening) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:05:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: <11819047.1126044340119.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- From: Dan McCullough Sent: Sep 6, 2005 9:40 AM To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" Subject: Re: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Hopefully meant as a joke, but " As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their credit card details (definite turn-off)" No nononononononnonnononnonononnono. PayPal is a very good alternative if you are looking for something inexpensive/cheap/free. There are other low cost alternatives, and all have their little pros and cons. I use PayPal and have never had very much problem with it, I can get my money at anytime and they have some very cool features. On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Gday all, > > My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > How do you extract money from people via the internet? > > If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example > in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? > > As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their > credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that > large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a > secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would > go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). > > Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. > > - mank. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ftarzwell at fayec.com Tue Sep 6 20:27:03 2005 From: ftarzwell at fayec.com (Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:27:03 -0400 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error Message-ID: <431E41E7.8090102@fayec.com> Hi, I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. the line is: Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form so I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") But everytime I add that to the line it gives several errors depending on what I use to join the recipients (&, ;, , ): Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' Expected end of statement /quote_sent.asp, line 6 Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") or Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Mailer.AddRecipient' /quote_sent.asp, line 6 or Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' /quote_sent.asp, line 7 Any help is appreciated..what am I doing wrong???? FayeC From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Sep 6 21:23:36 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:23:36 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF23@kjserver1.kjhome.local> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) : Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error : : I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. : the line is: : Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" : : And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form : so I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: : Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : : But everytime I add that to the line it gives several : errors depending on what I use to join the recipients : (&, ;, , ): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What do you mean "join the recipients"? I don't know what mail component you are using, but it seems that if it has an .AddRecipient method, you'd need to call that for each recipient you wish to add. The & is VBScript for string concatenation - i.e. joining strings together in VBScript. It probably has nothing to do with how this mail component works. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' : : Expected end of statement : : /quote_sent.asp, line 6 : : Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why is there a ; at the end of this line of code? That's not valid VBScript (hence your compilation error). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : or : : Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : : Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: : 'Mailer.AddRecipient' : : /quote_sent.asp, line 6 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't know what bit of code you're using here. However you're supplying the wrong number of arguments to the AddRecipient method of the component in question. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : or : : Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : : Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' : : /quote_sent.asp, line 7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Again, no code supplied, but the error is pretty self-explanatory. Cheers Ken -- www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Sep 6 22:30:36 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:30:36 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF25@kjserver1.kjhome.local> I am an indiot - didn't read the subject line. You are using ASPMail. To add multiple recipients: objMail.AddRecipient "John Smith", "john at smith.com" objMail.AddRecipient "Jane Doe", "jane at doe.com" Cheers Ken : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) : : Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error : : : : I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. : : the line is: : : Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" : : : : And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form : : so I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: : : Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : : : : But everytime I add that to the line it gives several : : errors depending on what I use to join the recipients : : (&, ;, , ): : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : What do you mean "join the recipients"? : : I don't know what mail component you are using, but it seems that if it : has : an .AddRecipient method, you'd need to call that for each recipient you : wish : to add. : : The & is VBScript for string concatenation - i.e. joining strings together : in : VBScript. It probably has nothing to do with how this mail component : works. : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' : : : : Expected end of statement : : : : /quote_sent.asp, line 6 : : : : Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : Why is there a ; at the end of this line of code? That's not valid : VBScript : (hence your compilation error). : : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : : or : : : : Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : : : : Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: : : 'Mailer.AddRecipient' : : : : /quote_sent.asp, line 6 : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : I don't know what bit of code you're using here. However you're supplying : the : wrong number of arguments to the AddRecipient method of the component in : question. : : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : or : : : : Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : : : : Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' : : : : /quote_sent.asp, line 7 : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : Again, no code supplied, but the error is pretty self-explanatory. : : Cheers : Ken From erik at erikheerlein.com Tue Sep 6 23:40:41 2005 From: erik at erikheerlein.com (Erik Heerlein) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 00:40:41 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> Message-ID: > It happens... but it's much less frequent for merchants. The only > time they freeze accounts is when the buyer files for reversal > claiming they never got the product, etc. There was a time before PayPal was owned by eBay where PayPal was pretty ruthless in shutting down accounts with no explanation and sitting on the money with no apparent recourse for getting your money out. They were not technically a banking institution and thus were not held to the same FDIC rules that other banks were and their customer service had a tendency to just ignore people. Consumers had little recourse and one trick PayPal used was that although they might "freeze" an account, they would still allow money to be deposited (by a customer of yours) but you couldn't take any money out. Thus they could earn a pretty penny on interest on the accumulating money while they "checked into it" for months. Meanwhile your customer is saying, "Where is the product I ordered? I paid you through PayPal." but you haven't really been paid. Once eBay bought PayPal and more competition arrived, I believe things were cleaned up although I don't know if the FDIC plays a role now or not. But that's the back story as I understand it. My suggestion is to read the fine print. Erik Heerlein erik at erikheerlein.com From zhangweiwu at realss.com Wed Sep 7 03:04:25 2005 From: zhangweiwu at realss.com (Zhang Weiwu) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:04:25 +0800 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? Message-ID: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Hello. Is there somewhere a wiget I can implement in my application that I call ordered-multi-selection? Here is the effect I wish I can achieve (screenshot took from evolution) gopher://sappho.realss.com/I9/three_months/Screenshot.png It is like this: * you can select multiple entries and selected entries will disappear from left side and go to the right side * you can remove items fro right side and they reappear in the left side * you can adjust the order of the items on the right side. Googled around a bit, not so lucky... From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 03:25:31 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:25:31 +0100 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0509070125597ed180@mail.gmail.com> > Hello. Is there somewhere a wiget I can implement in my application that > I call ordered-multi-selection? > > Here is the effect I wish I can achieve (screenshot took from evolution) > > gopher://sappho.realss.com/I9/three_months/Screenshot.png > > It is like this: > > * you can select multiple entries and selected entries will > disappear from left side and go to the right side > * you can remove items fro right side and they reappear in the left side > * you can adjust the order of the items on the right side. > > Googled around a bit, not so lucky... This is one of the things I keep developing from scratch, too. Surely Hotscripts will have some though, possibly also with really bad old code :) From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 03:23:45 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:23:45 +0300 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Message-ID: Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a way ? Or do I need to download a special browser? Cheers, Volkan. On 9/7/05, Zhang Weiwu wrote: > Hello. Is there somewhere a wiget I can implement in my application that > I call ordered-multi-selection? > > Here is the effect I wish I can achieve (screenshot took from evolution) > > gopher://sappho.realss.com/I9/three_months/Screenshot.png > > It is like this: > > * you can select multiple entries and selected entries will > disappear from left side and go to the right side > * you can remove items fro right side and they reappear in the left side > * you can adjust the order of the items on the right side. > > Googled around a bit, not so lucky... > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Sep 7 03:50:18 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:50:18 +0300 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Message-ID: <431EA9CA.4050009@netvision.net.il> VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a way ? Or do > I need to download a special browser? Firefox Win 1.0.6 works for me. For more info see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_protocol Go phor it. ;) Hershel PS: Sorry, couldn't resist. From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 03:49:10 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:49:10 +0100 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0509070149159828a4@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a way ? Or do > I need to download a special browser? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_protocol Firefox should do it, but our proxy here prevents me from seeing it, too. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Wed Sep 7 04:10:28 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:10:28 +0100 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? Message-ID: Volkan: > > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a > > way ? Or do I need to download a special browser? Hershel: > Firefox Win 1.0.6 works for me. I think that's a yes :-) This appears to be an explanation of why Gopher can't / shouldn't be used in Internet Explorer. http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher://gopher.floodgap.com:70/0/g opher/wbgopher Jason From lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com Wed Sep 7 05:13:22 2005 From: lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com (Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE)) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:13:22 +0100 Subject: [thelist] links move 1 px right when hovering over them (only once) in IE Message-ID: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC3@irm80489> > -----Original Message----- > From: VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK [mailto:volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:28 PM > > Hi workers of the web! Hello! > Here's a site that i'm working on: > > http://www.pamukdedem.com/Template.html > > After the page's first load if you go to the bottom navigation and > hover on the links the links tend to move 1px to right for the first > time. Then they remain where they are. > > This occurs in ie6 W2K. It does not occur in FF. I see that too. > Do you have any idea of why this might happen? No! But I have three weird additions to your stylesheet that seem to fix it: #MainContent { border-right:1px #f9f9f9f solid; } That seems to fix the centered twitchy links at the expense of the right-aligned links... now *they* twitch! So: #Sarmal { width:100%; } No twitch, hurray! The top border hover is clipped, oh no! Not to worry: #Sarmal { padding-top:4px; } Well, who would have thought? - LK =========================================================== Our e-mail domain has now changed from iraspire.com to hmrcaspire.com. Please update your address books. =========================================================== From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 05:32:39 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:32:39 +0300 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes I managed to open it with ff. Not to divert the discussion but yet another curios question: A definition I find says that gopher is "a system that pre-dates the World Wide Web for organizing and displaying files on Internet servers. A Gopher server presents its contents as a hierarchically structured list of files. With the ascendance of the Web, many gopher databases were converted to Web sites which can be more easily accessed via Web search engines." So is there a reason to prefer gopher server to an http server? In order words, does gopher have some advantages over http, or is it just another protocol? Cheers, Volkan. On 9/7/05, Jason Handby wrote: > Volkan: > > > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a > > > way ? Or do I need to download a special browser? > > Hershel: > > Firefox Win 1.0.6 works for me. > > > I think that's a yes :-) > > > This appears to be an explanation of why Gopher can't / shouldn't be > used in Internet Explorer. > > > http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher://gopher.floodgap.com:70/0/g > opher/wbgopher > > > > Jason > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 05:43:47 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:43:47 +0100 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05090703436d35a691@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > Yes I managed to open it with ff. > > Not to divert the discussion but yet another curios question: > > A definition I find says that gopher is > > "a system that pre-dates the World Wide Web for organizing and > displaying files on Internet servers. A Gopher server presents its > contents as a hierarchically structured list of files. With the > ascendance of the Web, many gopher databases were converted to Web > sites which can be more easily accessed via Web search engines." > > So is there a reason to prefer gopher server to an http server? In > order words, does gopher have some advantages over http, or is it just > another protocol? Traditional reasons? I cannot think of anything else. Much like usenet is still the place to be for some people instead of forums. Seriously, this is the first time I have seen a gopher URL since 1994. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Sep 7 08:21:53 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:21:53 +1000 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF29@kjserver1.kjhome.local> I remember I used to teach gopher to 1st year students back when I was a final year student at Uni. And Archie, Veronica and Telnet :-) Frankly, IMHO, the world has moved on. Certainly there are certain older technologies (like NNTP, FTP etc) that have remained popular. FTP can support TLS for authentication/encryption. FTP extensions allow resuming downloads/uploads, and so on. However Gopher is not a protocol that has remained popular. It simply doesn't have any compelling features that recommend its use above/beyond competing protocols. Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK : Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 8:33 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? : : Yes I managed to open it with ff. : : Not to divert the discussion but yet another curios question: : : A definition I find says that gopher is : : "a system that pre-dates the World Wide Web for organizing and : displaying files on Internet servers. A Gopher server presents its : contents as a hierarchically structured list of files. With the : ascendance of the Web, many gopher databases were converted to Web : sites which can be more easily accessed via Web search engines." : : So is there a reason to prefer gopher server to an http server? In : order words, does gopher have some advantages over http, or is it just : another protocol? : : Cheers, : Volkan. : : On 9/7/05, Jason Handby wrote: : > Volkan: : > > > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a : > > > way ? Or do I need to download a special browser? : > : > Hershel: : > > Firefox Win 1.0.6 works for me. : > : > : > I think that's a yes :-) : > : > : > This appears to be an explanation of why Gopher can't / shouldn't be : > used in Internet Explorer. : > : > : > http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher://gopher.floodgap.com:70/0/g : > opher/wbgopher From mhkamian at hotmail.com Wed Sep 7 08:52:43 2005 From: mhkamian at hotmail.com (Mark Kamian) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 06:52:43 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error In-Reply-To: <431E41E7.8090102@fayec.com> Message-ID: You should also consider using this, to accomodate certain characters: Mailer.AddRecipient """" & Request.Form("fullname") & """", Request.Form("email") >From: "Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)" >Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" >To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" >Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:27:03 -0400 > >Hi, > >I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. >the line is: >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" > >And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form so >I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: >Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") > >But everytime I add that to the line it gives several errors depending on >what I use to join the recipients (&, ;, , ): > > >Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' > >Expected end of statement > >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 > >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; Request.Form("fullname") , >Request.Form("email") >or > >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' > >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: >'Mailer.AddRecipient' > >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 > >or > >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' > >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' > >/quote_sent.asp, line 7 > > >Any help is appreciated..what am I doing wrong???? > > >FayeC > > > >-- > >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives >of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 08:59:38 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:59:38 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Redrawing issues of a dynamic table effect in Fx and Op Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05090706595fdf61dd@mail.gmail.com> http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/footercollapsetables/ Does anybody know how to fix the display issues in Opera? -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com Wed Sep 7 06:37:26 2005 From: roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com (Roger Newbrook) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:37:26 +0100 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style Message-ID: Hello boys and girls, I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I have access to the stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to add necessary additional classes etc. I want to redefine my text boxes with a different than default border. Initially I achieved this through redefining the input tag. A side effect of this is, that in redefing the input tag I am inheriting the redefined border on checkboxes and radio buttons. I have googled about on this problem, and the general idea/solution is that certain input types are given a corresponding class (ie . Here lies the problem, I don't have access to the forms to change the code. :( (reminds me a bit of the song "there's a hole in my bucket dear Liza") some other sites suggest using definitions such as input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. I have experimented with this but can't get them to work. Am I missing something simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this before? hope someone can help... Roger From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 09:49:47 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050907144947.24742.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>

.obscure input { font-size: 10px; background-color: #ccc; } --- Roger Newbrook wrote: > Hello boys and girls, > > I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I > have access to the > stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to > add necessary > additional classes etc. > > I want to redefine my text boxes with a different > than default border. > Initially I achieved this through redefining the > input tag. A side effect of > this is, that in redefing the input tag I am > inheriting the redefined border > on checkboxes and radio buttons. > > I have googled about on this problem, and the > general idea/solution is that > certain input types are given a corresponding class > (ie type="checkbox" class="checkbox">. Here lies the > problem, I don't have > access to the forms to change the code. :( (reminds > me a bit of the song > "there's a hole in my bucket dear Liza") > > some other sites suggest using definitions such as > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of > accessing the input type. I have > experimented with this but can't get them to work. > Am I missing something > simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this > before? > > hope someone can help... > > Roger > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 09:52:06 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:52:06 +0300 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Though it depends on other issues DOM may be a solution: Not tested the code. HTH, Volkan. On 9/7/05, Roger Newbrook wrote: > Hello boys and girls, > > I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I have access to the > stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to add necessary > additional classes etc. > > I want to redefine my text boxes with a different than default border. > Initially I achieved this through redefining the input tag. A side effect of > this is, that in redefing the input tag I am inheriting the redefined border > on checkboxes and radio buttons. > > I have googled about on this problem, and the general idea/solution is that > certain input types are given a corresponding class (ie type="checkbox" class="checkbox">. Here lies the problem, I don't have > access to the forms to change the code. :( (reminds me a bit of the song > "there's a hole in my bucket dear Liza") > > some other sites suggest using definitions such as > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. I have > experimented with this but can't get them to work. Am I missing something > simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this before? > > hope someone can help... > > Roger > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 09:54:37 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:54:37 +0300 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: provided that you can access an external js file of course. On 9/7/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > Though it depends on other issues DOM may be a solution: > > > > Not tested the code. > > HTH, > Volkan. > > > On 9/7/05, Roger Newbrook wrote: > > Hello boys and girls, > > > > I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I have access to the > > stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to add necessary > > additional classes etc. > > > > I want to redefine my text boxes with a different than default border. > > Initially I achieved this through redefining the input tag. A side effect of > > this is, that in redefing the input tag I am inheriting the redefined border > > on checkboxes and radio buttons. > > > > I have googled about on this problem, and the general idea/solution is that > > certain input types are given a corresponding class (ie > type="checkbox" class="checkbox">. Here lies the problem, I don't have > > access to the forms to change the code. :( (reminds me a bit of the song > > "there's a hole in my bucket dear Liza") > > > > some other sites suggest using definitions such as > > > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. I have > > experimented with this but can't get them to work. Am I missing something > > simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this before? > > > > hope someone can help... > > > > Roger > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > From lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com Wed Sep 7 10:22:55 2005 From: lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com (Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE)) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:22:55 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Redrawing issues of a dynamic table effect in Fx an d Op Message-ID: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC4@irm80489> > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Heilmann [mailto:codepo8 at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:00 PM > > http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/footercollapsetables/ > > Does anybody know how to fix the display issues in Opera? I'm assuming the display issue is the 'short' header in the second table? Your second cell in the footer row, has colspan="2"; giving the table a rogue third column. The difference is noticeable in IE with a keen eye, compare the right-hand border of the header row between the first and second tables. - LK =========================================================== Our e-mail domain has now changed from iraspire.com to hmrcaspire.com. Please update your address books. =========================================================== From Brian at hondaswap.com Wed Sep 7 10:28:07 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:28:07 -0400 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431F0707.6040706@hondaswap.com> Roger Newbrook wrote: > > some other sites suggest using definitions such as > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. I have > experimented with this but can't get them to work. Am I missing something > simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this before? Firefox should handel this no problem, but IE will fail on it. You will need to include the faux-IE7 scripting by dean edwards for IE to utilize it properly. From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 10:56:28 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:56:28 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Redrawing issues of a dynamic table effect in Fx an d Op In-Reply-To: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC4@irm80489> References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC4@irm80489> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05090708566a28eaf6@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/05, Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE) wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christian Heilmann [mailto:codepo8 at gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:00 PM > > > > http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/footercollapsetables/ > > > > Does anybody know how to fix the display issues in Opera? > > I'm assuming the display issue is the 'short' header in the second table? > > Your second cell in the footer row, has colspan="2"; giving the table a > rogue third column. The difference is noticeable in IE with a keen eye, > compare the right-hand border of the header row between the first and second > tables. Ah wicked. Now Opera? From roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com Wed Sep 7 10:42:16 2005 From: roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com (Roger Newbrook) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:42:16 +0100 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nes ted CSS style Message-ID: Brain wrote "Firefox should handel this no problem, but IE will fail on it. You will need to include the faux-IE7 scripting by dean edwards for IE to utilize it properly." thanks, I more or less expected this to not work across all browsers. i will investigate further. oddly enough i did try this in firefox yesterday to no avail. time to try again me thinks. :) -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com Wed Sep 7 10:18:26 2005 From: roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com (Roger Newbrook) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:18:26 +0100 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nes ted CSS style Message-ID: Volkan wrote "Though it depends on other issues DOM may be a solution:" Nice idea, hadn't considered that, this is not a possibility unfortunately though as i don't have access to an external js file, i only have access to the stylesheets. therein lies the problem. Anthony suggested referencing within a specific div. The problem with that is that the divs are already defined and depending on the structure of the forms may already contain multiple inputs types as text, radio or checkbox. I will continue to dig around and post as a tip if i come up with a satisfactory solution. had wondered whether pseudo classes might be the answer but they don't work either. oh me :( roger From doug.rehg at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 11:33:19 2005 From: doug.rehg at gmail.com (Doug R) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:33:19 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Redrawing issues of a dynamic table effect in Fx an d Op In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd05090708566a28eaf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC4@irm80489> <30bd6ffd05090708566a28eaf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Maybe you fixed it already, but when I look at it in opera (v8.02), I don't see anything wrong... the only issue I see is that the colums change width as you open and close the tables, but that issue seems to be present in FF( 1.0.4) for the CD table. On 9/7/05, Christian Heilmann wrote: > > On 9/7/05, Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE) > wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Christian Heilmann [mailto:codepo8 at gmail.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:00 PM > > > > > > http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/footercollapsetables/ > > > > > > Does anybody know how to fix the display issues in Opera? > > > > I'm assuming the display issue is the 'short' header in the second > table? > > > > Your second cell in the footer row, has colspan="2"; giving the table a > > rogue third column. The difference is noticeable in IE with a keen eye, > > compare the right-hand border of the header row between the first and > second > > tables. > > Ah wicked. Now Opera? > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From pieter at roosensdesign.com Wed Sep 7 12:53:57 2005 From: pieter at roosensdesign.com (Pieter Roosens) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:53:57 +0200 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> Message-ID: <3B1B2D92-6841-4B07-BC86-E7583F68E4A7@roosensdesign.com> >> It happens... but it's much less frequent for merchants. The only >> time they freeze accounts is when the buyer files for reversal >> claiming they never got the product, etc. >> > > There was a time before PayPal was owned by eBay where PayPal was > pretty ruthless in shutting down accounts with no explanation and > sitting on the money with no apparent recourse for getting your > money out. They were not technically a banking institution and thus > were not held to the same FDIC rules that other banks were and > their customer service had a tendency to just ignore people. > > Consumers had little recourse and one trick PayPal used was that > although they might "freeze" an account, they would still allow > money to be deposited (by a customer of yours) but you couldn't > take any money out. Thus they could earn a pretty penny on interest > on the accumulating money while they "checked into it" for months. > Meanwhile your customer is saying, "Where is the product I ordered? > I paid you through PayPal." but you haven't really been paid. > > Once eBay bought PayPal and more competition arrived, I believe > things were cleaned up although I don't know if the FDIC plays a > role now or not. But that's the back story as I understand it. > > My suggestion is to read the fine print. > > > Erik Heerlein > erik at erikheerlein.com Thanks all. I learned a lot about Paypal here :-) Pieter From bedouglas at earthlink.net Wed Sep 7 13:37:09 2005 From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:37:09 -0700 Subject: [thelist] user registration/login - admin functions... Message-ID: <0fcb01c5b3db$282f5ed0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> hi... i'm creating a couple of sites that are going to need a user registration/login functin as well as an admin function. rather than reinvent the wheel, it thought i'd turn to you guys, to see if you've run across any app that you thought was good regarding the functions. i'm more than willing to rip off, copy/paste functionality! i'm leaning towards a php solution... user registration/login: -allow user to enter basic information -allow user to enter username/passwd -ensure unique username -email confirmation of user registration -password regeneration (forgot passwd) -handle forgot username/password -ip blocking -email blocking -security graphic verification (capcha??) -admin notification -aadmin enable/authorize -Session var generation on successful login -limit login attempts for invalid logins -ensure only single usage of login at a time -ensure that multiple logins of a login is within a geographic/IP range -IP/User tracking - Admin functionality: -IP Tracking -IP blocking -User Management -User Enable/Disable function -User Auth/Verification function -User Email Function -User Password regeneration function -Site Mamagement -List Users -Track User Actions within site -Allow User to be a member of a given group -Create Groups -Assign User Roles/Groups - - - - This is kind of a basic/starting point. I'm looking at a few CMS apps, but i'm curious to know if you guys have seen any app (open source) that has what i'm looking for... thanks bruce bedouglas at earthlink.net From lists at neptunewebworks.com Wed Sep 7 18:09:51 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:09:51 -0700 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431F733F.9020408@neptunewebworks.com> Roger Newbrook wrote: > I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I have access to the > stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to add necessary > additional classes etc. Bummer. But if the markup being output to the browser is reasonably clean, you should be able to go fairly far with pure css. > I want to redefine my text boxes with a different than default border. > Initially I achieved this through redefining the input tag. A side effect of > this is, that in redefing the input tag I am inheriting the redefined border > on checkboxes and radio buttons. Child selectors are your friend. Usually text inputs, selects, etc are inside some kind of containing element, such as label, fieldset, or in old-school pages usually a table. Often submit and other buttons are outside that container, so you can do something like this to apply the style only to inputs within the container: fieldset input, td input { border: 5px dashed orange; } > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. input.text requires putting class="text" on all regular text input elements. The other is IIRC CSS 2.0, which is not well supported by Internet Explorer pre v7. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Sep 7 18:41:13 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:41:13 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF2E@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Wouldn't that include a literal " as part of the person's name? So, instead of: Joe Bloggs It would be: "Joe Bloggs" ? Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Mark Kamian : Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 11:53 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: RE: [thelist] ASPMail error : : You should also consider using this, to accomodate certain characters: : : Mailer.AddRecipient """" & Request.Form("fullname") & """", : Request.Form("email") : : : : >From: "Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)" : >Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" : >To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" : >Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error : >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:27:03 -0400 : > : >Hi, : > : >I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. : >the line is: : >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" : > : >And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form : so : >I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: : >Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : > : >But everytime I add that to the line it gives several errors depending on : >what I use to join the recipients (&, ;, , ): : > : > : >Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' : > : >Expected end of statement : > : >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 : > : >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; Request.Form("fullname") : , : >Request.Form("email") : >or : > : >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : > : >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: : >'Mailer.AddRecipient' : > : >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 : > : >or : > : >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : > : >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' : > : >/quote_sent.asp, line 7 : > : > : >Any help is appreciated..what am I doing wrong???? : > : > : >FayeC : > : > : > : >-- : > : >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * : >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : > : >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and : archives : >of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! : : _________________________________________________________________ : FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! : http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ : : -- : : * * Please support the community that supports you. * * : http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : : For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester : and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org : Workers of the Web, evolt ! From escalonab at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 19:08:59 2005 From: escalonab at gmail.com (Bernardo Escalona-Espinosa) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:08:59 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Change mySql field size Message-ID: <12d1e09105090717083b4e7cb7@mail.gmail.com> Hello list, I feel really dumb by asking this, but I just need to be sure. I need to change the size of a field in one of my mySql databases. Right now i only allow visitors to my website to add comments that are 300 chars long, and i want to allow up to 1000. 1) I couldnt find a definite answer but i think the mySql command goes something like this: ALTER TABLE comments CHANGE comment_content text(1000); Does this look ok? Im still not very clear on the maximum size and trailing-space removal of TEXT-type fields. 2) Will the existing contents of these fields be affected? My guess is probably not, but I just want to make sure. -- ___________________________________________ Bernardo Escalona Espinosa office: [52 55] 56 22 85 23 fax: [52 55] 56 22 88 77 home: [52 55] 55 30 13 96 cel: 55 18 56 74 73 http://www.bernsonline.com/ From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 19:12:35 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Change mySql field size In-Reply-To: <12d1e09105090717083b4e7cb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050908001235.27200.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> ALTER TABLE foo MODIFY column FOO ... I would just use TEXT or TINYTEXT but if you wanted only 1000 chars, you would use VARCHAR(1000); --- Bernardo Escalona-Espinosa wrote: > Hello list, > > I feel really dumb by asking this, but I just need > to be sure. > > I need to change the size of a field in one of my > mySql databases. > Right now i only allow visitors to my website to add > comments that are > 300 chars long, and i want to allow up to 1000. > > 1) I couldnt find a definite answer but i think the > mySql command goes > something like this: > ALTER TABLE comments CHANGE comment_content > text(1000); > Does this look ok? Im still not very clear on the > maximum size and > trailing-space removal of TEXT-type fields. > > 2) Will the existing contents of these fields be > affected? My guess is > probably not, but I just want to make sure. > > -- > ___________________________________________ > Bernardo Escalona Espinosa > office: [52 55] 56 22 85 23 > fax: [52 55] 56 22 88 77 > home: [52 55] 55 30 13 96 > cel: 55 18 56 74 73 > http://www.bernsonline.com/ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kmgaughan at eircom.net Wed Sep 7 19:33:18 2005 From: kmgaughan at eircom.net (Keith Gaughan) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 01:33:18 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Change mySql field size In-Reply-To: <12d1e09105090717083b4e7cb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <12d1e09105090717083b4e7cb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431F86CE.9050805@eircom.net> Bernardo Escalona-Espinosa wrote: > I need to change the size of a field in one of my mySql databases. > Right now i only allow visitors to my website to add comments that are > 300 chars long, and i want to allow up to 1000. > > 1) I couldnt find a definite answer but i think the mySql command goes > something like this: > ALTER TABLE comments CHANGE comment_content text(1000); > Does this look ok? Im still not very clear on the maximum size and > trailing-space removal of TEXT-type fields. If the field is already of type TEXT, you don't need to change it. TEXT fields can store up to 64kB of text. You do not need to specify a size with them. The only text types that take a size are the VARCHAR and CHAR types, which up to 5.0.3, could hold up to 255 characters, but now can store up to 65535 bytes worth. > 2) Will the existing contents of these fields be affected? My guess is > probably not, but I just want to make sure. It won't be affected. K. From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:12:15 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:12:15 +0300 Subject: [thelist] links move 1 px right when hovering over them (only once) in IE In-Reply-To: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC3@irm80489> References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC3@irm80489> Message-ID: Thanks Lee, Your suggestion solved this peculiar problem. Sometimes it's hard to understand browsers. So can we make an analogy between browsers and women (bad joke at 06:30 a.m. :) ). Cheers, Volkan. On 9/7/05, Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE) wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK [mailto:volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:28 PM > > > > Hi workers of the web! > > Hello! > > > Here's a site that i'm working on: > > > > http://www.pamukdedem.com/Template.html > > > > After the page's first load if you go to the bottom navigation and > > hover on the links the links tend to move 1px to right for the first > > time. Then they remain where they are. > > > > This occurs in ie6 W2K. It does not occur in FF. > > I see that too. > > > Do you have any idea of why this might happen? > > No! But I have three weird additions to your stylesheet that seem to fix > it: > > #MainContent > { > border-right:1px #f9f9f9f solid; > } > > That seems to fix the centered twitchy links at the expense of the > right-aligned links... now *they* twitch! So: > > #Sarmal > { > width:100%; > } > > No twitch, hurray! The top border hover is clipped, oh no! Not to worry: > > #Sarmal > { > padding-top:4px; > } > > Well, who would have thought? > > - LK > > > =========================================================== > Our e-mail domain has now changed from iraspire.com to hmrcaspire.com. Please update your address books. > =========================================================== > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From amandakuek at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:35:09 2005 From: amandakuek at gmail.com (Amanda Kuek) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:35:09 +1000 Subject: [thelist] links move 1 px right when hovering over them (only once) in IE In-Reply-To: References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC3@irm80489> Message-ID: > > Sometimes it's hard to understand browsers. So can we make an analogy > between browsers and women (bad joke at 06:30 a.m. :) ). Don't even get me started on the "The best are fire-y, fox-y and openly saucy" jokes. (Okay, it might be stretching it to get "openly saucy" from "open source") (Really, the whole thing's stretching it). From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 23:40:38 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) Message-ID: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Just bought: ASUS K8V-X motherboard AMD Semperon 3000+ 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. Local computer shop said it was a defective motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to do this though. Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? Not sure what to look for. Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From april at farstrider.org Thu Sep 8 00:50:14 2005 From: april at farstrider.org (April) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:50:14 -0700 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <431FD116.8090306@farstrider.org> You're looking for the motherboard directly touching metal ANYWHERE. The screws and risers holding the motherboard in should be directly against the little contacts around the screwholes meant for them. Common reasons are putting in more risers than the motherboard had screwholes for or a spare misplaced screw getting lost behind the motherboard. Unfortunately, after the obvious, things can get really flaky. By not grounding yourself while working with the board in the first place, it can fry the motherboard, which would have no visible signs. The motherboard might have just arrived broken, too, or been killed by a power surge. Any piece of hardware in the computer can be causing the short... I once had a short caused by a 4.99$ computer case fan. From here, it becomes a big case of trial and error, pulling out hardware or substituting in other hardware and seeing if it works after that. If the computer is working with a new motherboard, the most likely culprit is the motherboard didnt' work in the first place. Grounding is important but isn't an automatic kill for every mishandled motherboard (just a few). Look into RMAing it. Anthony Ettinger wrote: > Just bought: > ASUS K8V-X motherboard > AMD Semperon 3000+ > 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 > eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card > > However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. > Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is > on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. > > Local computer shop said it was a defective > motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about > grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to > do this though. > > Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? > Not sure what to look for. > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From info at internetvraagbaak.nl Thu Sep 8 01:31:08 2005 From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Info@internetvraagbaak.nl) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:31:08 +0200 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) References: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003801c5b43e$e5b45560$0201a8c0@cartesiapvek83> Maybe have a look here : http://www.auldfart.co.uk/beepcodes.htm if you did not yet do that allready. Very handy when you do a trail and error on connecting hardware from scratch to everything in place on the board... Good luck Jeroen > Just bought: > ASUS K8V-X motherboard > AMD Semperon 3000+ > 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 > eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card > > However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. > Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is > on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. > > Local computer shop said it was a defective > motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about > grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to > do this though. > > Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? > Not sure what to look for. > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From zhangweiwu at realss.com Thu Sep 8 01:46:56 2005 From: zhangweiwu at realss.com (Zhang Weiwu) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:46:56 +0800 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd05090703436d35a691@mail.gmail.com> References: <30bd6ffd05090703436d35a691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431FDE60.9060300@realss.com> Christian Heilmann wrote: >On 9/7/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > > >>Yes I managed to open it with ff. >> >>Not to divert the discussion but yet another curios question: >> >>A definition I find says that gopher >>"a system that pre-dates the World Wide Web for organizing and >>displaying files on Internet servers. A Gopher server presents its >>contents as a hierarchically structured list of files. With the >>ascendance of the Web, many gopher databases were converted to Web >>sites which can be more easily accessed via Web search engines." >> >>So is there a reason to prefer gopher server to an http server? In >>order words, does gopher have some advantages over http, or is it just >>another protocol? >> >> > >Traditional reasons? I cannot think of anything else. Much like usenet >is still the place to be for some people instead of forums. > > Years ago I wrote a script to upload local file to gopher server and timely remove my single small files from gopher server, often just an screenshot or a piece of source, and by that time gopher server is so easy to setup on my router - computer and IE works with it (now IE doesn't work with it because several cracker developed a way to break IE by a specially designed gopher server and thus MS people shutdown gopher support), config file is only one or two options long (cannot recall). And the computer has been runing years with its MMX processor and old Linux kernel, there is no reason not to use it. Yes the script I used for years (script for monthly, weekly and daily clean old gopher files to leave space for new ones) but there is no realy good reason why I start to write a new script. Maybe there is a good reason because people talk about gopher more then my original topic which is about a future web widget that is still not well developed today:) I'll not have to explain this when my good old gopher server is finally old enough and broken. Then I would like to start to use today's new technique that sometimes get called 'enterprise resource distribution server' with some 400,000 lines of source and it is really powerful. From zhangweiwu at realss.com Thu Sep 8 02:00:35 2005 From: zhangweiwu at realss.com (Zhang Weiwu) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:00:35 +0800 Subject: [thelist] (really about) js widget for ordered selection? (gopher discussion goes to the old hole) In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0509070125597ed180@mail.gmail.com> References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> <30bd6ffd0509070125597ed180@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431FE193.3010603@realss.com> Christian Heilmann wrote: >>Hello. Is there somewhere a wiget I can implement in my application that >>I call ordered-multi-selection? >> >>Here is the effect I wish I can achieve (screenshot took from evolution) >> >>gopher://sappho.realss.com/I9/three_months/Screenshot.png >> >>It is like this: >> >> * you can select multiple entries and selected entries will >> disappear from left side and go to the right side >> * you can remove items fro right side and they reappear in the left side >> * you can adjust the order of the items on the right side. >> >>Googled around a bit, not so lucky... >> >> > >This is one of the things I keep developing from scratch, too. Surely >Hotscripts will have some though, possibly also with really bad old >code :) > > Ah, even old code, but where? With no answers I'll start to develop from scratch too. It's not difficult but I just love to use other people's workable implementation. Or any suggestion of keywords so I start to explore? (sorry, so I start to fox?) From akamm at demicooper.com Thu Sep 8 07:50:48 2005 From: akamm at demicooper.com (Andrew Kamm) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:50:48 -0500 Subject: [thelist] MySQL "OR" Message-ID: Is it proper to execute a rather long SQL query in MySQL? I'm not aware of a reason this wouldn't work (unless there is simply a limit on the length of a queries), but I'm not sure if it's bad form or if the DB would respond poorly. Please see the PHP code below. At this point in the code, I've gathered an array of advertiser_id's from a separate function, and I want to do a query that basically says "SELECT X FROM TABLE Y WHERE advertiser_id = $q_or" where $q_or is the imploded array below. As the app grows, this could become a potentially long list of "OR's". if (is_array($advertisers)) { //Wrap array values with ' ' foreach($advertisers as $value) { $newAdvertisers[] = "'".$value."'"; } //Create 'or' section of query with array $q_or = implode(" OR advertiser_id = ", $newAdvertisers); //SELECT STATEMENT, ETC.... } Thanks in advance! -- Andrew Kamm From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 08:03:28 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:03:28 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. Message-ID: Hi all ! We are developing an enterprise application using JSP / J2EE / Websphere on an array of IBM e-servers.That is our ram + cpu etc are pretty adequate for the time being. However we are adding more and more agencies (the final target is a distributed nation-wide web app) Me and several others in other department are responsible for optimization / technology development / security issues. After this much introduction here is my scenario: In a specific module of our app we need to store a large HTML file to a log table for both reference and security reasons (so that if an agent alters the output somehow we have the orignal copy in hand). What we basically do is: 1. create a stringbuffer. 2. fill the buffer with a lot of information, legal disclaimers, monetary info, currency rates, bills etc. etc. 4. set output = buffer.toString(); 5. session.setattribute( "whatever",output ); ... do other transactional stuff ... at a downward place on the flowchart. 1. store session.getAttribute("whatever") to database. 2. session.removeAttribute("whatever") Which effectively means that we store a very large data in memory for some time. This procedure is used a few thousand times per day by a few hundered clients. It is likely that the number of clients will increase from a few hundereds to several thousands (the application is in pilot phase; if it succeeds the second phase is increasing its coverage incremantally). When I see usage of session object as a datastore I jump out of my seat several inches above. My questions are: - Does this approach makes sense in terms of storing a very large data ? (given that the data is stored on the session for the smallest time possible and we ensure that it is removed when the procedure ends or an exception is thrown and the procedure fails.) - Will I be better off storing it on a temporary text file (sessionID.txt) saving it and reading from that file instead of dumping a very large data into session? - Are there any other ways around that may come to your mind? Thank you very much in advance; Volkan. From lists at zaunere.com Thu Sep 8 08:10:36 2005 From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:10:36 -0400 Subject: [thelist] MySQL "OR" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EDMAn0zkl-0003La@mrelay.perfora.net> Andrew Kamm wrote on Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:51 AM: > Is it proper to execute a rather long SQL query in MySQL? I'm not aware > of a reason this wouldn't work (unless there is simply a limit on the > length of a queries), but I'm not sure if it's bad form or if the DB > would respond poorly. > > Please see the PHP code below. At this point in the code, I've gathered > an array of advertiser_id's from a separate function, and I want to do a > query that basically says "SELECT X FROM TABLE Y WHERE advertiser_id = > $q_or" where $q_or is the imploded array below. As the app grows, this > could become a potentially long list of "OR's". > > if (is_array($advertisers)) > { //Wrap array values with ' ' > foreach($advertisers as $value) > { > $newAdvertisers[] = "'".$value."'"; > } > > //Create 'or' section of query with array > $q_or = implode(" OR advertiser_id = ", $newAdvertisers); > > //SELECT STATEMENT, ETC.... > } > > Thanks in advance! You don't want to over use the logical OR. Also consider IN() http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/comparison-operators.html --- Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP / www.nyphp.com From paul at xk7.net Thu Sep 8 08:15:12 2005 From: paul at xk7.net (Paul Waring) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:15:12 +0100 Subject: [thelist] MySQL "OR" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050908131512.GA58553@kryten.xk7.net> On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 07:50:48AM -0500, Andrew Kamm wrote: > Is it proper to execute a rather long SQL query in MySQL? I'm not aware of > a reason this wouldn't work (unless there is simply a limit on the length of > a queries), but I'm not sure if it's bad form or if the DB would respond > poorly. As far as I know, there isn't a limit, but it might take a while for MySQL to parse extremely long query strings. > //Create 'or' section of query with array > $q_or = implode(" OR advertiser_id = ", $newAdvertisers); Try: $q_or = " WHERE advertiser_id IN ( " . implode(",", $newAdvertisers) . " )"; The IN comparison operator works like a bunch of ORs in this case (though there is another use of it). See this page for more information: http://www.1keydata.com/sql/sqlin.html I believe phpBB also uses this sort of query in some of its code (groupmod.php or something) if you want to see a real world example. Hope this helps! Paul -- Rogue Tory http://www.roguetory.org.uk From amandakuek at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 08:19:10 2005 From: amandakuek at gmail.com (Amanda Kuek) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:19:10 +1000 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <3B1B2D92-6841-4B07-BC86-E7583F68E4A7@roosensdesign.com> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> <3B1B2D92-6841-4B07-BC86-E7583F68E4A7@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: Thanks very much everyone for the slew of advice. I'm surprised that PayPal wasn't given more of a beating, but I think I may have been biased by reading www.PayPalSucks.com before doing any actual research. Mind you, there's also a www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com, but I haven't been creeped out of my gmail account (yet). I somehow suspect that the suggestion that will appeal most to my client is "Send thugs". :) From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Thu Sep 8 08:35:22 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:35:22 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would be looking at - how frequently is this going to be accessed, for one: can it be gziped and a reference to filename held in session/db, or is this going to eat too much cpu? Are there common blocks - could a boilerplate(s) be used with, say, xml or such to store variables? Or else I'd go with what you mentioned - write your file to FS or a DB?blob - in the former, keep filename in session, if it's being accessed regularly, fs caching should make performance near or equal to being in session, likewise with good db query caching. If not, you still have the reference, and more free memory. Rob From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Thu Sep 8 08:35:22 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:35:22 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would be looking at - how frequently is this going to be accessed, for one: can it be gziped and a reference to filename held in session/db, or is this going to eat too much cpu? Are there common blocks - could a boilerplate(s) be used with, say, xml or such to store variables? Or else I'd go with what you mentioned - write your file to FS or a DB?blob - in the former, keep filename in session, if it's being accessed regularly, fs caching should make performance near or equal to being in session, likewise with good db query caching. If not, you still have the reference, and more free memory. Rob From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 08:52:35 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:52:35 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> <3B1B2D92-6841-4B07-BC86-E7583F68E4A7@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: One thing to remember is that there are a number of people who arent going to be happy with anything you have to weight the good and the bad, and take the information and make an informed decision. :) I have a love/hate relationship with BroadVision, hate it hate it hate it, no the people mind you, yet there are countless others who love it and would never leave it. :) On 9/8/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Thanks very much everyone for the slew of advice. > > I'm surprised that PayPal wasn't given more of a beating, but I think > I may have been biased by reading www.PayPalSucks.com before doing any > actual research. Mind you, there's also a www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com, > but I haven't been creeped out of my gmail account (yet). > > I somehow suspect that the suggestion that will appeal most to my > client is "Send thugs". :) > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From hershelr at netvision.net.il Thu Sep 8 09:57:11 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:57:11 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Survey Software Message-ID: <43205147.9070300@netvision.net.il> I have a LAMP site, to which we could like to add the ability to conduct surveys. We have for sure one survey now of around 60 questions. I am looking ideally for a PHP-based package with some sort of editable template so that the survey pages can match the rest of our site easily. I have found these three options thus far: http://phpsurveyor.sourceforge.net/ This seems to be the most full-featured one, based on a brief examination of their site and demos. The interface seems good both for the admin and the surveys. Seems complicated which generally implies a lot of functionality. This package has templates and claims HTML/CSS validity, which is also a plus. http://phpesp.sourceforge.net/ Their web site is quite unimpressive and the interface for the sample surveys also is mildly unimpressive. Could be the internals are very good, however and it could be made to look good. The demo itself has PHP errors, which is a bit of a turnoff. http://www.proxy2.de/scripts.php [ Advanced Poll 2.0.3 ] The sample polls include only one question. Maybe polls could have more. I have a feeling that 'poll' however means one question and 'survey' means more than one. At this point, phpSurveyor seems to me clearly to be the best of these three, but I am looking for input from anyone regarding these packages or a different solution. A commercial solution is also an option, if it could be determined to actually be worth the purchase price. :) Thanks, Hershel From Ron.Luther at hp.com Thu Sep 8 09:53:22 2005 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:53:22 -0500 Subject: [thelist] MySQL "OR" Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76F4C@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Andrew Kamm asked about long "OR" SQL: >>Is it proper to execute a rather long SQL query in MySQL? >>I'm not aware of a reason this wouldn't work (unless there >>is simply a limit on the length of a queries), but I'm not >>sure if it's bad form or if the DB would respond poorly. Hi Andrew, Yeah you can execute a "long" query, and sometimes you need to. >From a cursory glance, however, it looks like you are looking to return results either for 'new' advertisers, or a group of advertisers having some property in common, (same industry or something for example). If that is the case, then I believe you would get better performance if you created a separate table of 'new' advertisers or a table of all advertisers containing several fields for categorization values, (one of which could be a 'new' flag for example). You could then modify your SQL to join in the new table and add a simple 'where' clause on one of the category fields. [Table joins are generally a lot more powerful and performance friendly than zillions of 'OR' statements.] OTOH, if you are returning results for all advertisers, then a 'group by' might come closer to what you are trying to do than explicitly naming each advertiser in the 'where' section. HTH, RonL. From richard at rrcomputerconsulting.com Thu Sep 8 11:12:42 2005 From: richard at rrcomputerconsulting.com (Richard Maloley II) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:12:42 -0400 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51743F3BAA26485CB999CEA4899D4F.MAI@toidi.org> I build computers on a fairly regular basis, and it sounds to me as though you do have a dead motherboard. It was probably dead on arrival, so save yourself the hassle and RMA it. As for grounding yourself, it is recommended that you work over a grounding sheet and that you wear a grounding bracelet. However, in the 5+ years of working with computers, I've never once used a bracelet or sheet. I just touch some metal in the case before grabbing a component and I'm good to go. Never fried a chip, either. Dropping them on the other hand, that's a horse of a different color... -Richard -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Ettinger Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:41 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) Just bought: ASUS K8V-X motherboard AMD Semperon 3000+ 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. Local computer shop said it was a defective motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to do this though. Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? Not sure what to look for. Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From todd at promisingsites.com Thu Sep 8 11:13:01 2005 From: todd at promisingsites.com (Todd Richards) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:13:01 -0500 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509081115296.SM03184@blackshirts> Did the motherboard come with the CPU in it, or did you install it? Make sure that is fully seated, as is your RAM. Todd -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Ettinger Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:41 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) Just bought: ASUS K8V-X motherboard AMD Semperon 3000+ 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. Local computer shop said it was a defective motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to do this though. Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? Not sure what to look for. Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ian at zstudio.co.uk Thu Sep 8 11:18:46 2005 From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:18:46 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43206466.1000406@zstudio.co.uk> VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: >- Will I be better off storing it on a temporary text file >(sessionID.txt) saving it and reading from that file instead of >dumping a very large data into session? > Why not store it in a database, then delete the record when the transaction has succeeded? Surely given your environment this is faster than accessing the filesystem twice, and should scale better than storing it in the session. Just how big is this puppy (file) going to be? From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 11:24:04 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <200509081115296.SM03184@blackshirts> Message-ID: <20050908162404.32604.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> I installed the CPU + Ram myself, I'm sure it's in there properly. It was a perfect fit. I think either the MB really is defective, (possibly I fried it without grounding myself first), or there is a short in the case causing the mb not to bootup. I'm trying to get an RMA from Newegg. We'll see, they say to contact manufacturer, and manufacturer says to contact reseller :) --- Todd Richards wrote: > Did the motherboard come with the CPU in it, or did > you install it? Make > sure that is fully seated, as is your RAM. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf > Of Anthony Ettinger > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:41 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing > hardware) > > Just bought: > ASUS K8V-X motherboard > AMD Semperon 3000+ > 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 > eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card > > However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I > bootup. > Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light > is > on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. > > Local computer shop said it was a defective > motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about > grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to > do this though. > > Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? > Not sure what to look for. > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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So, instead >of: > >Joe Bloggs > >It would be: > >"Joe Bloggs" > >? > >Cheers >Ken > > >: -----Original Message----- >: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- >: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Mark Kamian >: Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 11:53 PM >: To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >: Subject: RE: [thelist] ASPMail error >: >: You should also consider using this, to accomodate certain characters: >: >: Mailer.AddRecipient """" & Request.Form("fullname") & """", >: Request.Form("email") >: >: >: >: >From: "Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)" >: >Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" >: >To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" >: >Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error >: >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:27:03 -0400 >: > >: >Hi, >: > >: >I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. >: >the line is: >: >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" >: > >: >And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form >: so >: >I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: >: >Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") >: > >: >But everytime I add that to the line it gives several errors depending >on >: >what I use to join the recipients (&, ;, , ): >: > >: > >: >Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' >: > >: >Expected end of statement >: > >: >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 >: > >: >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; >Request.Form("fullname") >: , >: >Request.Form("email") >: >or >: > >: >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' >: > >: >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: >: >'Mailer.AddRecipient' >: > >: >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 >: > >: >or >: > >: >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' >: > >: >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' >: > >: >/quote_sent.asp, line 7 >: > >: > >: >Any help is appreciated..what am I doing wrong???? >: > >: > >: >FayeC >: > >: > >: > >: >-- >: > >: >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >: >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >: > >: >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and >: archives >: >of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! >: >: _________________________________________________________________ >: FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >: http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >: >: -- >: >: * * Please support the community that supports you. * * >: http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >: >: For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >: and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >: Workers of the Web, evolt ! >-- > >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >Workers of the Web, evolt ! _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From hassan at webtuitive.com Thu Sep 8 12:06:51 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:06:51 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43206FAB.9010609@webtuitive.com> VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > In a specific module of our app we need to store a large HTML file to > a log table for both reference and security reasons (so that if an > agent alters the output somehow we have the orignal copy in hand). How often is this referenced, and in what way? Where and how are you testing whether the "output" is altered? In the absence of knowing the actual data flow, my gut feeling is to store it in the DB -- which gets done eventually, anyway -- and retrieve as necessary. FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From escalonab at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 13:16:57 2005 From: escalonab at gmail.com (Bernardo Escalona-Espinosa) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:16:57 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Change mySql field size In-Reply-To: <431fd748.75ef4d22.7c4d.19e1SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <431fd748.75ef4d22.7c4d.19e1SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12d1e091050908111632e1b85a@mail.gmail.com> > > If the field is already of type TEXT, you don't need to change it. TEXT > fields can store up to 64kB of text. You do not need to specify a size > with them. > > The only text types that take a size are the VARCHAR and CHAR types, > which up to 5.0.3, could hold up to 255 characters, but now can store up > to 65535 bytes worth. > > > 2) Will the existing contents of these fields be affected? My guess is > > probably not, but I just want to make sure. > > It won't be affected. > > Cool, thanx for the info. I hadn't realised/remembered that you don't need to specify a size in TEXT fields. Now I realised that the limiting to 300 chars was taking place in my javascript and then also in my php, but never in my database. Thanx again. Berns -- ___________________________________________ Bernardo Escalona Espinosa office: [52 55] 56 22 85 23 fax: [52 55] 56 22 88 77 home: [52 55] 55 30 13 96 cel: 55 18 56 74 73 http://www.bernsonline.com/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Sep 8 13:19:45 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:19:45 -0700 Subject: [thelist] AOL Email Links Message-ID: <432080C1.5010703@neptunewebworks.com> What's the story on AOL email links these days? Is it still true that AOL email clients are still whacked out, and need to have links formatted as HTML within a text/plain message body? Google is giving me hundreds of really old tutorials/tips on the subject. I don't dare install AOL on my machine to try it out - last time I did that, they kept billing me even after I called to cancel the trial (but that's another subject entirely). -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From hpinson at indepthl.com Thu Sep 8 13:38:42 2005 From: hpinson at indepthl.com (hpinson at indepthl.com) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:38:42 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing In-Reply-To: <20050811153721.3EBA61980D6@indepthl.com> Message-ID: <432030D2.18136.1F1C56C3@localhost> Hello. I am having difficulty figuring out how to alias domain names under IIS 6. For example, we have a site, accessible via browser at: http://www.mysite.com I need it also to be accessible under the domain alias: http://mysite.com But I do not know how to configure this alias in IIS. This is relatively easy to do in Apache, so there must be a way. Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? -- Harlow Pinson Indepth Learning Email: hpinson at indepthl.com Phone: 505 994-2135 Fax: 505 994-3603 From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Sep 8 13:56:55 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:56:55 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing Message-ID: If I understand you question correctly, that is a function of DNS, not of the web server. From: hpinson at indepthl.com Hello. I am having difficulty figuring out how to alias domain names under IIS 6. For example, we have a site, accessible via browser at: http://www.mysite.com I need it also to be accessible under the domain alias: http://mysite.com But I do not know how to configure this alias in IIS. This is relatively easy to do in Apache, so there must be a way. Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? -- Harlow Pinson Indepth Learning Email: hpinson at indepthl.com Phone: 505 994-2135 Fax: 505 994-3603 From lists at semioticpixels.com Thu Sep 8 14:13:14 2005 From: lists at semioticpixels.com (Chris Hardy) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:13:14 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Survey Software In-Reply-To: <43205147.9070300@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <000001c5b4a9$5d95d3a0$6b01a8c0@bluedew> I've used phpEsp in the past and been pleased with it. The last time I installed it, there wasn't good separation of presentation from functionality and it was a PITA to modify the ui. However, it looks like some work has gone into the gui and I haven't checked out the most recent version. It's a quick install. http://phpesp.sourceforge.net/ hth -chris From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Sep 8 14:24:08 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:24:08 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing Message-ID: > For example, we have a site, accessible via browser at: > > http://www.mysite.com > > I need it also to be accessible under the domain alias: > > http://mysite.com I use 5, not 6, but here's how it's done in IIS5: Open Internet Services Manager Select the website Click the 'Properties' button (in IIS5 it's the little hand pointing to a document) You should be on the 'Web Site' tab. Click the 'Advanced' button in the 'Web Site Identification' section at the top. Click the 'Add' button in the top box, 'Multiple identities for this Web Site' Choose (or not) the IP address and enter the TCP port (80, I hope :) and then put whatever you want in the 'Host Header Name' field, as in 'mysite.com' or 'bob.mysite.com' or, if you have two domain names and you want 'em both to point to the same site, you could enter all these: mysite.com www.mysite.com thatsite.com www.thatsite.com That should provide endless happiness. joel From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 14:27:39 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: <43206FAB.9010609@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <20050908192739.4009.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, why not use a BLOB? --- Hassan Schroeder wrote: > VOLKAN ??Z??EL??K wrote: > > > In a specific module of our app we need to store a > large HTML file to > > a log table for both reference and security > reasons (so that if an > > agent alters the output somehow we have the > orignal copy in hand). > > How often is this referenced, and in what way? > > Where and how are you testing whether the "output" > is altered? > > In the absence of knowing the actual data flow, my > gut feeling is > to store it in the DB -- which gets done eventually, > anyway -- and > retrieve as necessary. > > FWIW, > -- > Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- > hassan at webtuitive.com > Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === > http://webtuitive.com > > dream. code. > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amy at rocky-hills.com Thu Sep 8 14:29:09 2005 From: amy at rocky-hills.com (Amy Johnson) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:29:09 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Problems with CSS positioning Message-ID: <000901c5b4ab$960192e0$0202a8c0@amy> I've been working on this for days and am finally throwing up my hands. What I want is for my 2 column page to adjust to variable height with both columns being the same height. I also have a background image I have to place in one of the columns and tried floating it and relative positioning but was only able to get it to work with absolute positioning. And finally I have used old fashion tables to do the content because I don't know how I would approach that design using CSS. Anyway, the page is a disaster on Mac IE 5.2 and Linux Konqueror 3.0.5. I read that Macs have problems with block elements (i.e. tables) inheriting relative positioning. Does anyone have any ideas at all about how to make this work? Here's the page: http://www.rocky-hills.com/sample/mfh/index.html Here's the CSS http://www.rocky-hills.com/sample/mfh/style.css Here's the BrowserCam views which show how it looks on various browsers: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=189472 I have validated the HTML and the CSS. Thanks so much for any help. Amy From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 14:45:25 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050908194525.61678.qmail@web51113.mail.yahoo.com> I use apache (http://httpd.apache.org/) What most people forget is that they need an alias in the DNS server too, so it will forward requests for www.foo.com and foo.com to your ip. Then the web server, just needs an alias in the main configuration for that domain: with apache it looks like this: ServerName foo.com ServerRoot /var/www/foo.com/htdocs ... ServerAlias www.foo.com --- "Canfield, Joel" wrote: > > For example, we have a site, accessible via > browser at: > > > > http://www.mysite.com > > > > I need it also to be accessible under the domain > alias: > > > > http://mysite.com > > I use 5, not 6, but here's how it's done in IIS5: > > Open Internet Services Manager > Select the website > Click the 'Properties' button (in IIS5 it's the > little hand pointing to > a document) > You should be on the 'Web Site' tab. Click the > 'Advanced' button in the > 'Web Site Identification' section at the top. > Click the 'Add' button in the top box, 'Multiple > identities for this Web > Site' > Choose (or not) the IP address and enter the TCP > port (80, I hope :) and > then put whatever you want in the 'Host Header Name' > field, as in > 'mysite.com' or 'bob.mysite.com' or, if you have two > domain names and > you want 'em both to point to the same site, you > could enter all these: > > mysite.com > www.mysite.com > thatsite.com > www.thatsite.com > > That should provide endless happiness. > > joel > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 15:02:57 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] AOL Email Links In-Reply-To: <432080C1.5010703@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <20050908200257.87134.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> I remember back when I did html emails in 1999, i had to write a subroutine in the main program, that said "if aol { send plain-text }" sad, but I think they've gotten around it these days. Here's how I send multipart/alternative emails now: http://stuff.chovy.com/perl/Newsletter.pm --- Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > What's the story on AOL email links these days? Is > it still true that > AOL email clients are still whacked out, and need to > have links > formatted as HTML within a text/plain message body? > Google is giving me > hundreds of really old tutorials/tips on the > subject. I don't dare > install AOL on my machine to try it out - last time > I did that, they > kept billing me even after I called to cancel the > trial (but that's > another subject entirely). > -- > Max Schwanekamp > http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 15:48:02 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] AOL Email Links In-Reply-To: <20050908200257.87134.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050908204802.75491.qmail@web51113.mail.yahoo.com> Basically, this is how I compose the body: Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="$boundary"\n Mime-version: 1.0\n --$boundary\n Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"\n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7-bit\n\n $text\n\n --$boundary\n Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"\n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7-bit\n\n $html\n\n --$boundary--\n --- Anthony Ettinger wrote: > I remember back when I did html emails in 1999, i > had > to write a subroutine in the main program, that said > "if aol { send plain-text }" > > sad, but I think they've gotten around it these > days. > > Here's how I send multipart/alternative emails now: > > http://stuff.chovy.com/perl/Newsletter.pm > > > > --- Maximillian Schwanekamp > wrote: > > > What's the story on AOL email links these days? > Is > > it still true that > > AOL email clients are still whacked out, and need > to > > have links > > formatted as HTML within a text/plain message > body? > > Google is giving me > > hundreds of really old tutorials/tips on the > > subject. I don't dare > > install AOL on my machine to try it out - last > time > > I did that, they > > kept billing me even after I called to cancel the > > trial (but that's > > another subject entirely). > > -- > > Max Schwanekamp > > http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ > > > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports > you. > > * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the > Tip > > Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: > > http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 16:00:31 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:00:31 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: <43206466.1000406@zstudio.co.uk> References: <43206466.1000406@zstudio.co.uk> Message-ID: >Why not store it in a database, then delete the record when the >transaction has succeeded? Surely given your environment this is faster >than accessing the filesystem twice, and should scale better than >storing it in the session. This may be an option too. It should be Typically in the form: UID (autoincrement) | SessionID(varchar-primary) | Actual Data(BLOB or Text whatever) i guess. Let me try to explain the file a bit more. The file looks like. ... some css for @media print and @media screen. ...

heading of section 1 which is gathered dynamically

...

heading of section two

some static content here ... some dynamic content from db

...

... lots of numbers and data rendered within a

dynamic data

...yet another table notes, disclaimers and references retrieved from db. I cannot give very much detail due to confidentiality issues. The final html is a legally approved copy (people pay money for it) and we have to store it "as it is" somewhere (it's nonsense but "as it is" means including the css and javascript references in the file as well :) ). > > Just how big is this puppy (file) going to be? > A few hundered KB's, at most one megabyte I hope. We have other sorts of files which are 10-50KB size (report files) and we use the gzip approach with them. Though those files are not very frequently generated and thus do not bring an overhead. Plus, they are generally created via a scheduled task which execute from midnight to early morning. From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 16:06:16 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:06:16 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: References: <43206466.1000406@zstudio.co.uk> Message-ID: So the consensus I get from this discussion is that storing it in the DB is far better than storing it in session and it is probably better than storing it in the file system. I think we shall try storing it in the db as a blob type. If we fail for some reason, or observe a performance degredation, altering the code so that it stores the data in FS will not be a very big issue. How the data can be changed/damaged/altered by people is yet another story. You cannot believe how imaginative a nasty client/agent can be :) Cheers and Thanks for all your comments. Volkan. On 9/9/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > >Why not store it in a database, then delete the record when the > >transaction has succeeded? Surely given your environment this is faster > >than accessing the filesystem twice, and should scale better than > >storing it in the session. > > This may be an option too. > > It should be Typically in the form: > > UID (autoincrement) | SessionID(varchar-primary) | Actual > Data(BLOB or Text whatever) > > i guess. > > Let me try to explain the file a bit more. > > The file looks like. > > > ... > some css for @media print and @media screen. > ... >

heading of section 1 which is gathered dynamically

> ... >

heading of section two

some static content here ... some dynamic content from db

...

> > > ... lots of numbers and data rendered within a >

dynamic data

> > ...yet another table > notes, disclaimers and references retrieved from db. > > > > I cannot give very much detail due to confidentiality issues. > > The final html is a legally approved copy (people pay money for it) > and we have to store it "as it is" somewhere (it's nonsense but "as it > is" means including the css and javascript references in the file as > well :) ). > > > > > Just how big is this puppy (file) going to be? > > > > A few hundered KB's, at most one megabyte I hope. > > We have other sorts of files which are 10-50KB size (report files) and > we use the gzip approach with them. Though those files are not very > frequently generated and thus do not bring an overhead. Plus, they are > generally created via a scheduled task which execute from midnight to > early morning. > From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Sep 8 16:24:54 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:24:54 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing Message-ID: > What most people forget is that they need an alias in > the DNS server too, so it will forward requests for > www.foo.com and foo.com to your ip. d'oh. Of course it does. I do that. No, really, I do. I just don't tell anyone. joel From webguync at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 17:05:43 2005 From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:05:43 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How to hide blocks of code on a page from being picked up by the search engines - Can it be done? Message-ID: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I was asked if this could be done and how and I am not sure. If you want to hide a particular block of content within a two column layout, say for instance within a div, from the search engines picking this up, can it be done and how? I know with includes, the code gets displayed when you view source, so I guess the SE would pick that up? (include content). How bout' Iframes, does that get picked up? The only thinkg I have ever done to exclude content from being picked up by the search engines is to alter the meta tags, but that was for the whole page, and not just a particular block of content. Any insight into this is greatly appreciative! -- ::Bruce Gilbert- www.inspired-evolution.com:: From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Sep 8 17:10:21 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:10:21 -0700 Subject: [thelist] AOL Email Links In-Reply-To: <20050908200257.87134.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050908200257.87134.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4320B6CD.9020808@neptunewebworks.com> Anthony Ettinger wrote: > I remember back when I did html emails in 1999, i had > to write a subroutine in the main program, that said > "if aol { send plain-text }" Yeah, I send multipart-alternative by default as a general rule as well, but that's not really the issue. In times not too long ago, and perhaps still, the AOL email client was set to text-only, but one could make links by using HTML in an otherwise text/plain message[0]. It was/is irritating, because true plain-text clients would then see the HTML cruft. I have a hard time believing AOL isn't just allowing pure HTML email by now, but I have no evidence one way or the other. Does anyone have a recent experience or resource? (searching aol.com is not helping either) [0] http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/web1/aol_users_email_links.htm -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Sep 8 18:04:03 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:04:03 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How to hide blocks of code on a page from being picked up by the search engines - Can it be done? In-Reply-To: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> References: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4320C363.3090006@neptunewebworks.com> Bruce Gilbert wrote: > I was asked if this could be done and how and I am not sure. If you want to > hide a particular block of content within a two column layout, say for > instance within a div, from the search engines picking this up, can it be > done and how? Probably your best bet would be clientside javascript to insert your content, using the same tactics people use to hide email addresses from spambots (hex encoding, etc). Make it an external js file. Ultimately no content you display on the page is going to be 100% hidden from a search engine unless you require some sort of authentication, but AFAIK all engines ignore the content of external js files. Why would you want to *hide* your content anyway? -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Thu Sep 8 18:13:27 2005 From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:13:27 +1200 Subject: [thelist] How to hide blocks of code on a page from being picked upby the search engines - Can it be done? Message-ID: This is an odd question - why would you want something publicly available on the web but not picked up by search engines? Bear in mind that text that is linked to by your site will be picked up by search engines . Even if it's an image with text as the content, the SE's will pick it up and index it. They won't know what the text is, but it'll still be available in SE image searches. Maybe more info from you can lead to s solution. Paul From misterhaan at track7.org Thu Sep 8 18:43:41 2005 From: misterhaan at track7.org (misterhaan) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:43:41 -0500 Subject: [thelist] How to hide blocks of code on a page from being picked up by the search engines - Can it be done? In-Reply-To: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> References: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4320CCAD.3010607@track7.org> Bruce Gilbert wrote: >I know with includes, the code gets displayed when you view source, so I guess the SE would pick that up? (include content). > Yes, it would see that. >How bout' Iframes, does that get picked up? > Iframe means your displaying a different page inline, so you could put that in a separate directory and then use robots.txt to ask SE spiders to not look at it. If you don't do the robots.txt portion, it's likely that spiders will follow the link to the page displayed in the iframe. From rcraw0629 at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 21:59:47 2005 From: rcraw0629 at gmail.com (Robert Crawford) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:59:47 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Tip: Outlook Express Email Backup Message-ID: <4320FAA3.60904@gmail.com> Outlook Express Account Backup Program http://www.oehelp.com/oebackup/default.aspx From sam at sam-i-am.com Thu Sep 8 23:06:50 2005 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam Foster) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:06:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] javascript default event handlers, default events. [TIP] In-Reply-To: References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416A94@irm80489> Message-ID: <43210A5A.8060501@sam-i-am.com> Wow, interesting discussion. I'm a card-carrying behavior layer/unobtrusive javascript proponent, but I think some great points were made in both directions. Its true that troubleshooting javascript problems when implemented this way is made more difficult when there's no explicit event handler in the markup to provide a starting point or smoking gun. There can be something like strange magic from afar - doing a view-source might not be enlightening - you may be obliged to actually dig into the code and follow it through with a debugger... Especially if the concept is new to you. The de-coupling of code/behavior from markup is more effective when you use something like document.getElementsBySelector. (http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/03/25/getElementsBySelector) .. this frees you from document.getElementById and needing a particular id to magically make everything work. Like anything, there are good and bad ways to do it though. I'd recommend distinguishing between class attribute values that are used to to apply style, and those used to apply behavior. Its should be clear what is being triggered. I'm having some success with using a bvr- prefix to any classes that trigger behavior, and never using those classes in a stylesheet. Its just convention, but a good one IMO. One more thing about inline function calls. I think the original example - onsubmit="return validate(this)" - is indeed pretty well separated, and

isnt any great improvement. Where you do see an improvement is where the behavior is more complex, where event handlers need to be attached to many elements. One classic example might be table row highlights - all I need is there is a trigger in the element, or tbody and my script will go through and attach mouseover/out event handlers to each row programatically. Lots easier than writing and maintaining the event handlers as attributes on each row or cell. Or, frequently, if the markup is generated by some serverside process I dont own, modifying it might be entirely out of the question anyhow. Devils advocate: if I'm trying to update the look and feel here, I may have to dig into the javascript to find out what css class is being appended to effect the row highlight. I'm a advocate of custom attributes for this kind of thing:

or some such. I think this technique is most useful when you are trying to patch in simple behavior like a row highlight, tooltip, or deferred content via ajax - where there aren't a lot of variables and behavior is easily defined. If you can say "I want this element to behave like one of these..." then its a good candidate. All that said, if it aint broke dont fix it. I've adopted these techniques out of necessity - they solve a problem for me. If you don't have any problem that benefits from this technique then walk on by. Some good links: Javascript Triggers http://www.alistapart.com/articles/scripttriggers/ Behavior - css selectors to select and apply js. http://www.ripcord.co.nz/behaviour/ Dave Herman's behavior.js http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dherman/javascript/behavior/ document.getElementsBySelector http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/03/25/getElementsBySelector also see Michael Schuerig's JavaScript for improvements to the above. http://www.schuerig.de/michael/javascript/ Sam >>If I change it to do the javascript: document.myForm.onsubmit = >>myFormValidation, have I separated behaviour from markup? Not as much - I >>have an explicit markup reference to "myForm" to which I am programmatically >> >> > >That is not a markup reference. It has nothing to do with markup. > > From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 00:54:28 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:54:28 -0400 Subject: [thelist] javascript default event handlers, default events. [TIP] In-Reply-To: <43210A5A.8060501@sam-i-am.com> References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416A94@irm80489> <43210A5A.8060501@sam-i-am.com> Message-ID: <43212394.9020608@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sam, Sam Foster wrote: > markup to provide a starting point or smoking gun. There can be > something like strange magic from afar - doing a view-source might not > be enlightening - you may be obliged to actually dig into the code and > follow it through with a debugger... Especially if the concept is new to > you. You can't do a view-source to debug PHP or Java code, either. I understand where people are coming from here, but the unobtrusive idea is a paradigm shift, and it should be expected that debugging (and other) methods should also have to shift. > The de-coupling of code/behavior from markup is more effective when you > use something like document.getElementsBySelector. > (http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/03/25/getElementsBySelector) .. > this frees you from document.getElementById and needing a particular id > to magically make everything work. See also cssQuery: http://dean.edwards.name/my/cssQuery/ Thank the lord for getElementsByTagName, eh? > Like anything, there are good and bad ways to do it though. I'd > recommend distinguishing between class attribute values that are used to > to apply style, and those used to apply behavior. Its should be clear > what is being triggered. I'm having some success with using a bvr- > prefix to any classes that trigger behavior, and never using those > classes in a stylesheet. Its just convention, but a good one IMO. Do you apply a namespace to divs you're going to use for behavior and those you're going to use for presentation? If not, then why would you do it for class names? > One more thing about inline function calls. I think the original > example - onsubmit="return validate(this)" - is indeed pretty well > separated, and isnt any great improvement. That's because your'e essentially still defining behavior in the markup. The idea is to *classify* your forms with class. Your markup shouldn't be saying "Hey, client-side script, validate me." You might not even need to use class, if you want it to apply to all form elements. > each row or cell. Or, frequently, if the markup is generated by some > serverside process I dont own, modifying it might be entirely out of the > question anyhow. Further, why would you *want* to have to modify your server-side script in order to apply client-side behavior? > Devils advocate: if I'm trying to update the look and feel here, I may > have to dig into the javascript to find out what css class is being > appended to effect the row highlight. I'm a advocate of custom > attributes for this kind of thing:

rowhighlightclass="over"> or some such. Your markup will be invalid unless you use a custom dtd. Also, you are essentially reintroducing both presentation and behavior into the markup. I don't really see the point of this at all.

an id or class and apply the background (w/o positioning) to that instead. Use padding here too if needed. You probably want to update the doctype a little too. While you are at it, it makes sense to choose a doctype that triggers Standards Mode to get as consistent rendering as possible between browsers.. Hope that works out now :-) pandy From harvester at lists.evolt.org Sun Sep 11 18:00:16 2005 From: harvester at lists.evolt.org (harvester at lists.evolt.org) Date: 11 Sep 2005 23:00:16 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Sep 05, 2005 Message-ID: <20050911230016.26445.qmail@acornparenting.org> The tip harvest for the Week of Monday Sep 05, 2005 has been added to the lists.evolt.org site. Get it at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/show.cgi?w=20050905 Week at a glance listing at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/week.cgi?w=20050905 Harvest Summary --------------- Number of messages: 176 Number of tips : 1 Tip Authors ----------- Robert Crawford (1) Tip Types --------- Unclassified (1) From sales at lycosa.co.uk Sun Sep 11 21:39:03 2005 From: sales at lycosa.co.uk (Sales @ Lycosa) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 03:39:03 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Site check please In-Reply-To: <006e01c57024$7da31320$6400a8c0@vn.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <000501c5b743$27029660$0201a8c0@DEV> Hi, I would be interested to hear your comments on http://www.clearvisionsystems.co.uk/ which has an alias http://www.security-cameras.uk.com Thanks. Phil Parker Lycosa Web Services Ltd, Email: sales at lycosa.co.uk Web: http://www.lycosa.co.uk From Groups at beachcomp.com Sun Sep 11 23:17:47 2005 From: Groups at beachcomp.com (Beach Computers) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:17:47 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Site check please In-Reply-To: <000501c5b743$27029660$0201a8c0@DEV> Message-ID: <20050912001931.SM01380@desktop> Very crisp and clean. Loads fast. I would however add a little more data to the opening page to fill it up. Dave ----------------------------------- |Beach Computers | |Affordable Hosting Solutions | |http://www.beachcomp.com | =================================== |Cheap Domain Warehouse | |Get Your Own Dot! | |http://www.cheapdomainwarehouse.com| ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Disclaimer and confidentiality note: The contents of this communication are intended/meant only for addressee(s) and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of this e-mail shall not be forwarded to any third party. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email, so that the sender's address records can be corrected. Views and opinions are solely those of the sender unless clearly indicated as being that of Beach Computers or any of it's affiliated companies. Beach Computers cannot assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained or that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Sales @ Lycosa Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:39 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Site check please Hi, I would be interested to hear your comments on http://www.clearvisionsystems.co.uk/ which has an alias http://www.security-cameras.uk.com Thanks. Phil Parker Lycosa Web Services Ltd, Email: sales at lycosa.co.uk Web: http://www.lycosa.co.uk -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !