From hershelr at netvision.net.il Mon Sep 5 02:25:57 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:25:57 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Validation question In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20050905013347.0257c578@pop.gmx.net> References: <21e4a1280509041005146cba5b@mail.gmail.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20050905013347.0257c578@pop.gmx.net> Message-ID: <431BF305.5090205@netvision.net.il> >> The following HTML validates with any (AFAIK) >> doctype: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Not with a (X)HTML Strict doctype. Correct: Error Line 8 column 21: document type does not allow element "img" here; missing one of "p", "h1", "h2", "h3", "h4", "h5", "h6", "div", "address", "fieldset", "ins", "del" start-tag. I stand corrected. Thanks, Hershel From email at kristinafloyd.co.uk Mon Sep 5 03:27:01 2005 From: email at kristinafloyd.co.uk (Kristina Floyd) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:27:01 +0100 Subject: [thelist] A 100% horizontal navigation bar Message-ID: <431C0155.7090409@kristinafloyd.co.uk> Hello List I'm trying to find an example of a horizontal nav bar that expands and detracts according to its width (there is no start width set). And is always 100% of the width, with the buttons filling up what ever space is available. Currently there are 7 buttons, written in the HTML as a list and then displayed with graphics and inline via the CSS. To see an example that my colleague is working on please go to If you know of any examples of this, I have searched the net but can only really come up with horizontal nav bars that have an absolute start width, or only take up part of the horizontal bar. TIA Kristina From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 05:57:43 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:57:43 +0300 Subject: [thelist] A 100% horizontal navigation bar In-Reply-To: <431C0155.7090409@kristinafloyd.co.uk> References: <431C0155.7090409@kristinafloyd.co.uk> Message-ID: The example seems pretty consistent, What's the problem in it exactly? Cheers, Volkan. On 9/5/05, Kristina Floyd wrote: > Hello List > > I'm trying to find an example of a horizontal nav bar that expands and > detracts according to its width (there is no start width set). And is > always 100% of the width, with the buttons filling up what ever space is > available. > > Currently there are 7 buttons, written in the HTML as a list and then > displayed with graphics and inline via the CSS. > > To see an example that my colleague is working on please go to > > > If you know of any examples of this, I have searched the net but can > only really come up with horizontal nav bars that have an absolute start > width, or only take up part of the horizontal bar. > > TIA > Kristina > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com Mon Sep 5 06:08:59 2005 From: lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com (Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE)) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:08:59 +0100 Subject: [thelist] A 100% horizontal navigation bar Message-ID: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AB9@irm80489> > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina Floyd [mailto:email at kristinafloyd.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:27 AM > > I'm trying to find an example of a horizontal nav bar that > expands and > detracts according to its width (there is no start width > set). And is > always 100% of the width, with the buttons filling up what > ever space is > available. > > Currently there are 7 buttons, written in the HTML as a list and then > displayed with graphics and inline via the CSS. > > To see an example that my colleague is working on please go to >
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If we gave every 'button' the same width it could be too short or wrap, because of the rounding required to convert from percentage to pixels. In my example, I have specified a width and float:left (in favour of display:inline) on all the divs except the last. The last one has an unspecified width, so it occupies the remainder of the space. - LK =========================================================== Our e-mail domain has now changed from iraspire.com to hmrcaspire.com. Please update your address books. =========================================================== From bj at kickasswebdesign.com Mon Sep 5 07:51:49 2005 From: bj at kickasswebdesign.com (BJ) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:51:49 -0400 Subject: [thelist] a div/css formating question... Message-ID: <431C3F65.1020507@kickasswebdesign.com> "i can use divs to set up the header, the 'nav_menu area, as well as the left area/right area. my question comes when i want to create a 'footer' area that will more or less move depending on the length of the 'left/right' areas..." I use floats for this type of layout for the columns, then the footer is a simple 100% width and clear: both; Wrapping the two columns in a wrapper gives better behavior, and you'll possibly need some sort of clearing element just above the footer. More info here on footers: -- Ciao for Now, bj http://kickasswebdesign.com devblog: http://kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/ Kickass WebGeek Resources: http://kickasswebdesign.com/webgeekdir/ "Windows (win'-doze) (n.): 32-bit extensions to a 16-bit graphical shell for an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, and whose Operating System is 0% compared to Mac :)"-- stolen from Dean of etomite.org. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound says I'm squeaky clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0535-3, 09/02/2005 Tested on: 9/5/2005 8:51:51 AM From m-lists at bristav.se Mon Sep 5 14:56:10 2005 From: m-lists at bristav.se (marcus) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:56:10 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Javascript methods playing up In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd050904133443a0f704@mail.gmail.com> References: <431B54DD.1000006@firelightning.com> <30bd6ffd050904133443a0f704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431CA2DA.8010003@bristav.se> Christian Heilmann wrote: > Well, logically the document title cannot have children, so it does > make a bit of sense. > Well, logically title should have at least one child (and maybe more). A child isn't necessarily an element node. Comments, text and white space also counts as children and the text in this case is most definitely a text node (although maybe IE have a white space node as the first child, have no idea since I don't know how the document looks). /Marcus From iain at firelightning.com Mon Sep 5 17:14:20 2005 From: iain at firelightning.com (Iain) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:14:20 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Javascript methods playing up In-Reply-To: <431CA2DA.8010003@bristav.se> References: <431B54DD.1000006@firelightning.com> <30bd6ffd050904133443a0f704@mail.gmail.com> <431CA2DA.8010003@bristav.se> Message-ID: <431CC33C.5040900@firelightning.com> Hi Marcus, I've tried to reply twice to Christian's own reply already to make a similar point, but they have both mysteriously disappeared... I used the childNode.nodeValue method purely on the recommendation of PPK's Quirksmode page about including XML via Javascript. It specifically states that "text inside a tag is the nodeValue of the first childNode of that tag". Iain marcus wrote: > Christian Heilmann wrote: > >> Well, logically the document title cannot have children, so it does >> make a bit of sense. >> > Well, logically title should have at least one child (and maybe more). > A child isn't necessarily an element node. Comments, text and white > space also counts as children and the text in this case is most > definitely a text node (although maybe IE have a white space node as > the first child, have no idea since I don't know how the document looks). > > /Marcus > From matthias at die-legendaeren.de Tue Sep 6 01:23:13 2005 From: matthias at die-legendaeren.de (Matthias Willerich) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:23:13 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Re: Trying to create table in MySQL DB with phpmyadmin In-Reply-To: <0MKt64-1ECEnS1Ql2-0008Cu@mxeu9.kundenserver.de> Message-ID: Chris, You shouldn't use BIGINT for the id, at least not if you're using mysql_insert_id() in the php, as this might return the wrong number. http://uk.php.net/mysql_insert_id INT( 255 ) would probably be the next biggest candidate. When you get errors while creating a table, it's usually down to using a keyword(which you can escape) or to not putting in a value for the size of the field. Not all fields want one, but hey, most do, and it makes you think about the needed dimensions as well. Matthias From matthias at die-legendaeren.de Tue Sep 6 01:31:25 2005 From: matthias at die-legendaeren.de (Matthias Willerich) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:31:25 +0100 Subject: [thelist] a div/css formating question... In-Reply-To: <0MKt64-1ECEnS1Ql2-0008Cu@mxeu9.kundenserver.de> Message-ID: Bruce, this might be a lot to read and understand, but here's an article about setting up a versatile CSS for a number of layout variations, yours included. http://www.contentwithstyle.co.uk/Articles/17/a-css-framework/ Matthias From bedouglas at earthlink.net Tue Sep 6 07:52:13 2005 From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 05:52:13 -0700 Subject: [thelist] look/feel guru... Message-ID: <0cdc01c5b2e1$ce083fc0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> hi... i know this is a lot to ask.. my asbestos suit is on!! i'm part of a really small group ((2-3) of us), and we're creating a couple of websites. we can get the basic functionality of the sites, but we're going to need help with the look/feel of the sites. this is a prototype/initial development project. this isn't a salaried opportunity, but if we're successful... who knows! but for now, we're trying to find someone who could/would want to help/be a part of this. if you're curious, the overall app(s) are targeted towards a function to handle used texbooks on the college campus, with a 2nd app focusing on netflix/peerflix... thanks bruce bedouglas at earthlink.net From amandakuek at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 08:14:17 2005 From: amandakuek at gmail.com (Amanda Kuek) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:14:17 +1000 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: Gday all, My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: How do you extract money from people via the internet? If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. - mank. From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 08:40:31 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:40:31 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hopefully meant as a joke, but " As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their credit card details (definite turn-off)" No nononononononnonnononnonononnono. PayPal is a very good alternative if you are looking for something inexpensive/cheap/free. There are other low cost alternatives, and all have their little pros and cons. I use PayPal and have never had very much problem with it, I can get my money at anytime and they have some very cool features. On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Gday all, > > My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > How do you extract money from people via the internet? > > If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example > in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? > > As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their > credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that > large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a > secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would > go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). > > Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. > > - mank. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From evolt at goonies.info Tue Sep 6 08:50:43 2005 From: evolt at goonies.info (Minh Lee Goon) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 08:50:43 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Firefox CSS Background Issue Message-ID: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> http://www.digeratidesignstudios.com/bahra/ Here's the URL for a web site that I'm currently working on. The background image that appears in the header in FF should continue down into the body, as it appears in IE. Short of cutting up the background image into several parts, does anyone have any suggestions how I can modify my style sheet so that the background carries through? Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Minh Lee Goon Digerati Design Studios . com From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Tue Sep 6 09:11:47 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:11:47 +0100 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: > and that system that large companies have where you can enter > your credit card details on a secure site, and it debits > immediately (if anyone knows how one would go about > implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). I've used Netbanx ( http://www.netbanx.co.uk/ ) to do this a few times now, and it's pretty straightforward. They host the secure pages that deal with credit card info, etc. so you don't have to. If you buy their bespoke integration package (I think it's about ?400) then you can basically sell any amount of anything. They also offer cheaper options if you're selling a limited range of products. Jason From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Sep 6 09:13:29 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:13:29 -0500 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> I find that the 419 scams tend to work pretty well. Seriously, though, if you're just starting out, Paypal is the way to go. I use it on EasyListBox.com, and it's really the perfect system for a small business. They have a lot of different options for the method of payment -- redirect to their site, shopping cart API, etc -- and their documentation is pretty complete (with a good user community as well). Getting a business account is a fairly easy, no-cost step, and once you have that, you also have an 800 number to contact them whenever you get stuck. Don't forget to get the Paypal debit card (also free) so that you have easier access to your funds... Plus you get a minimal cashback bonus whenever you use it to pay for goods and services, which helps to offset the transaction fee. Hope that helps, Peter -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org On Behalf Of Amanda Kuek Gday all, My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: How do you extract money from people via the internet? If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. - mank. From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:15:06 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:15:06 +0300 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: another option is taking the card details on a secure connection and processing them off-line. One of my clients who had not wanted a payment gateway integration due to budget constraints had chosen that option. Of course a payment gateway integration if possible is better. A direct integration is generally done by using the credit-card processing interface that a bank provides. Needless to say, it includes a lot expertise, experience and care. Since you are playing with money you have to take care of both application-wide and network-wide security issues into consideration as well. (application-wide: programmatic security leaks, network-wide: dmz, firewall, viruswall, filters and all that stuff) HTH, Volkan. On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Gday all, > > My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > How do you extract money from people via the internet? > > If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example > in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? > > As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their > credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that > large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a > secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would > go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). > > Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. > > - mank. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From dwain.alford at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:29:49 2005 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain alford) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:29:49 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Firefox CSS Background Issue In-Reply-To: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> References: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> Message-ID: <431DA7DD.3020805@gmail.com> Minh Lee Goon wrote: > http://www.digeratidesignstudios.com/bahra/ > > Here's the URL for a web site that I'm currently working on. The > background image that appears in the header in FF should continue down > into the body, as it appears in IE. Short of cutting up the background > image into several parts, does anyone have any suggestions how I can > modify my style sheet so that the background carries through? Any help > is appreciated. Thanks. > > Minh Lee Goon > Digerati Design Studios . com > put your background image in the container: #container {background-image:url(where it is)repeat-y;} -- dwain alford dwain.alford at gmail.com http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; "There is no such thing as sin;..." 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:28:09 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:28:09 +0300 Subject: [thelist] links move 1 px right when hovering over them (only once) in IE Message-ID: Hi workers of the web! Here's a site that i'm working on: http://www.pamukdedem.com/Template.html After the page's first load if you go to the bottom navigation and hover on the links the links tend to move 1px to right for the first time. Then they remain where they are. This occurs in ie6 W2K. It does not occur in FF. Do you have any idea of why this might happen? Is it yet another internet explorer rendering anomaly or do I miss something? TIA, Volkan. From ian at zstudio.co.uk Tue Sep 6 10:05:00 2005 From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:05:00 +0100 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431DB01C.5020109@zstudio.co.uk> Amanda Kuek wrote: >Gday all, > >My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy >hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > >How do you extract money from people via the internet? > I agree about Paypal being a good option. This is another alternative that's suited for content-related purchases online - http://www.bitpass.com/ Used to pay for premium content on Guy Kawasaki's site and others. They're funded by garage.com, Kawasaki's venture capital company. Worked well when I used it as a customer - I have no affiliation with them Cheers Ian From codepo8 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 10:12:17 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:12:17 +0100 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05090608121162a569@mail.gmail.com> On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Gday all, > > My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > How do you extract money from people via the internet? Find out their address, send thugs. There is a comparison of payment systems available: http://www.ecommerce-guide.com/solutions/secure_pay/article.php/776701 -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From evolt at goonies.info Tue Sep 6 10:47:40 2005 From: evolt at goonies.info (Minh Lee Goon) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:47:40 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Firefox CSS Background Issue In-Reply-To: <431DA7DD.3020805@gmail.com> References: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> <431DA7DD.3020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <431DBA1C.4050200@goonies.info> dwain alford wrote: > > put your background image in the container: > #container {background-image:url(where it is)repeat-y;} > Perhaps I should clarify: The burgundy background with the beige stripe is not the image I'm referring to. If you view the page in IE, you'll see that the sepia image that contains the header title is in a large image that fades to beige. In FF, that background doesn't show in the Navigation and Content layers. I already have the background image declared in the Container div. Thanks. From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 11:22:25 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards without spending a dime. --- Dan McCullough wrote: > Hopefully meant as a joke, but " As far as I can > tell, options include > forcing them to email you their credit card details > (definite > turn-off)" No nononononononnonnononnonononnono. > PayPal is a very good > alternative if you are looking for something > inexpensive/cheap/free. > There are other low cost alternatives, and all have > their little pros > and cons. I use PayPal and have never had very much > problem with it, > I can get my money at anytime and they have some > very cool features. > > On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > > Gday all, > > > > My question is that simple, age-old burning > question of greasy > > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > > > How do you extract money from people via the > internet? > > > > If you're trying to sell someone a service over a > website, for example > > in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them > pay for it? > > > > As far as I can tell, options include forcing them > to email you their > > credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, > and that system that > > large companies have where you can enter your > credit card details on a > > secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone > knows how one would > > go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to > hear it). > > > > Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. > > > > - mank. > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports > you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the > Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From codepo8 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 11:46:07 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:46:07 +0100 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd050906094615c2b426@mail.gmail.com> > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > without spending a dime. Which is an untrue statement, as paypal does charge you for using their services by means of transaction fees. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Sep 6 12:06:07 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:06:07 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <431DCC7F.6010802@neptunewebworks.com> Anthony Ettinger wrote: > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > without spending a dime. AFAIK it's still not possible to accept credit cards via PayPal without the customer having to use a payment form hosted by PayPal, with PayPal's look and feel rather than your site's, which is a turn-off for some customers (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Not everyone knows what PayPal is, in spite of its relative ubiquity, and may even associate it with phishing, since it has been such a common target. You need not be a "large company" to have a regular merchant account to accept credit cards directly. Get a business checking account if you don't have one already. Then you can get a credit card merchant account, which is much easier than some would have you believe, and is more likely to scale well as your business grows. Search the list archives for Joshua Olson's thread about merchant accounts a few months ago - a lot of good info was posted by him and others then. I personally recommend Practice Pay Solutions[0]. They're offering Authorize.Net-based solutions, have very good customer service and are strongly oriented toward independent professionals and microbusiness. (Full disclosure: I did webwork for them in the past). If you get a merchant account such as that offered by PPS, you will probably need an SSL certificate. Those can range from reasonable to exhorbitant. GoDaddy's SSL certs start at $30 [1], and are generally adequate. GeoTrust certificates are commonly offered for $50-100 by many hosting companies, inquire if yours does. [0] http://www.practicepaysolutions.com/ [1] https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 12:10:21 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd050906094615c2b426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050906171021.73192.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Depends actually. If it's personal-to-personal account, it is free up to $400. For premier and business accounts it is a standard percentage plus 30 cents transaction fee (around 2% I think, which is lower than any credit card processing service you would pay for accepting visas). Read their FAQ. --- Christian Heilmann wrote: > > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit > cards > > without spending a dime. > > Which is an untrue statement, as paypal does charge > you for using > their services by means of transaction fees. > > -- > Chris Heilmann > Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com > Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ > Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Sep 6 12:16:28 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:16:28 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Firefox CSS Background Issue In-Reply-To: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> References: <431D9EB3.5040002@goonies.info> Message-ID: <431DCEEC.6060800@neptunewebworks.com> Minh Lee Goon wrote: > http://www.digeratidesignstudios.com/bahra/ > Here's the URL for a web site that I'm currently working on. The > background image that appears in the header in FF should continue down > into the body, as it appears in IE. As usual, FF's rendering is more correct: you have floats inside a container, and no non-floated content, so the container contracts to the smallest non-floated area (which is 0px + your top padding). Add a clearing element below your floats, just before #Container's . Discussion: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ClearingSpace http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/ -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 12:16:57 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:16:57 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd050906094615c2b426@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> <30bd6ffd050906094615c2b426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry I meant no upfront fees. On 9/6/05, Christian Heilmann wrote: > > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > > without spending a dime. > > Which is an untrue statement, as paypal does charge you for using > their services by means of transaction fees. > > -- > Chris Heilmann > Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com > Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ > Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Sep 6 12:23:25 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:23:25 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: I think he meant to say that there are no startup costs, i.e. "without spending a dime until you make a sale". Also, Paypal's fee structure is pretty good compared to a lot of the other CC vendors (even better with 1.5% cash back when you use the debit card). From: Christian Heilmann > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > without spending a dime. Which is an untrue statement, as paypal does charge you for using their services by means of transaction fees. Chris Heilmann From jweiss at cox-internet.com Tue Sep 6 12:28:39 2005 From: jweiss at cox-internet.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:28:39 -0500 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? References: <20050906162225.44603.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> <431DCC7F.6010802@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <008f01c5b308$6c0c8fc0$98ffad46@weiss> I've used http://www.payquake.com in the past. They've got a couple different options including one similar to paypal. -jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maximillian Schwanekamp" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? > Anthony Ettinger wrote: > > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit cards > > without spending a dime. > > If you get a merchant account such as that offered by PPS, you will > probably need an SSL certificate. Those can range from reasonable to > exhorbitant. GoDaddy's SSL certs start at $30 [1], and are generally > adequate. GeoTrust certificates are commonly offered for $50-100 by > many hosting companies, inquire if yours does. > > [0] http://www.practicepaysolutions.com/ > [1] https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp > > -- > Max Schwanekamp > http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From pieter at roosensdesign.com Tue Sep 6 12:47:39 2005 From: pieter at roosensdesign.com (Pieter Roosens) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:47:39 +0200 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> Message-ID: <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather unpleasant information on the net. It's hard to know how exceptional these are. Pieter ----------------------------------------- http://www.roosensdesign.com From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 12:51:02 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <431DCC7F.6010802@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <20050906175102.81155.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> PayPal is a simple cheap solution. Ideally, you'd have your own payment gateway, but not everybody can work with APIs. PayPal does have an API as well, for hosting the payment flow on your own server, for those not that technically inclined, the business account does have a few variables you can change on the hosted page template. And yes, they can pay with CC without signing up for a paypal account. It's called "Web Express Checkout". --- Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > Anthony Ettinger wrote: > > I use PayPal as well. Easy way to accept credit > cards > > without spending a dime. > > AFAIK it's still not possible to accept credit cards > via PayPal without > the customer having to use a payment form hosted by > PayPal, with > PayPal's look and feel rather than your site's, > which is a turn-off for > some customers (someone correct me if I'm wrong). > Not everyone knows > what PayPal is, in spite of its relative ubiquity, > and may even > associate it with phishing, since it has been such a > common target. > > You need not be a "large company" to have a regular > merchant account to > accept credit cards directly. Get a business > checking account if you > don't have one already. Then you can get a credit > card merchant > account, which is much easier than some would have > you believe, and is > more likely to scale well as your business grows. > Search the list > archives for Joshua Olson's thread about merchant > accounts a few months > ago - a lot of good info was posted by him and > others then. > > I personally recommend Practice Pay Solutions[0]. > They're offering > Authorize.Net-based solutions, have very good > customer service and are > strongly oriented toward independent professionals > and microbusiness. > (Full disclosure: I did webwork for them in the > past). > > If you get a merchant account such as that offered > by PPS, you will > probably need an SSL certificate. Those can range > from reasonable to > exhorbitant. GoDaddy's SSL certs start at $30 [1], > and are generally > adequate. GeoTrust certificates are commonly > offered for $50-100 by > many hosting companies, inquire if yours does. > > [0] http://www.practicepaysolutions.com/ > [1] https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp > > -- > Max Schwanekamp > http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Sep 6 12:53:55 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:53:55 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: <4ea507d21b464406be8cdd75417bc63a@easylistbox.com> From: Maximillian Schwanekamp lists at neptunewebworks.com > AFAIK it's still not possible to accept credit cards via PayPal without > the customer having to use a payment form hosted by PayPal, with > PayPal's look and feel rather than your site's, which is a turn-off for > some customers (someone correct me if I'm wrong). You're wrong :) https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_wp-pro-overview-outside. From peterl at standingwave.org Tue Sep 6 12:55:26 2005 From: peterl at standingwave.org (Peter Loron) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:55:26 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: <431DD80E.6020205@standingwave.org> I have a couple of clients who use them (low volume), and so far they haven't had any issues. -Pete Pieter Roosens wrote: > So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them > closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather > unpleasant information on the net. > It's hard to know how exceptional these are. > > Pieter > > ----------------------------------------- > http://www.roosensdesign.com > From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Sep 6 12:55:06 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:55:06 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: You know, I've read some of those, and I can't figure out how those things happened. Maybe they're true accounts, but I never hear about them from anybody I know. From: Pieter Roosens pieter at roosensdesign.com So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather unpleasant information on the net. It's hard to know how exceptional these are. Pieter From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 13:00:45 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: <20050906180046.4598.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Read this (FDIC passthru insurance): http://tinyurl.com/2l8ev The real problem is the phishing scam emails (of which PP can do nothing about). I recommend installing the Netcraft.net toolbar: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/ --- Pieter Roosens wrote: > So none of you have experienced any trouble with > Paypal? Like them > closing down accounts and things like that ? I found > a lot of rather > unpleasant information on the net. > It's hard to know how exceptional these are. > > Pieter > > ----------------------------------------- > http://www.roosensdesign.com > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 13:10:03 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:10:03 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've had my account since 1999, I've never had an issue with them shutting down account, I have read the accounts of these things occuring but I have never experienced anything like that. PayPal so far has been more reliable then my own banks. I have a problem with a vendor I find they are more then willing to help you with your problem. Are they perfect, no, but for me and the business I do they are fine. BTW I have used their API and they are pretty easy and there are many many examples of how to setup and use their system. I will hopefully be using their Gateway soon so I can get around their forms. On 9/6/05, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > You know, I've read some of those, and I can't figure out how those things happened. Maybe they're true accounts, but I never hear about them from anybody I know. > > From: Pieter Roosens pieter at roosensdesign.com > > So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them > closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather > unpleasant information on the net. > It's hard to know how exceptional these are. > > Pieter > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From Brian at hondaswap.com Tue Sep 6 13:10:50 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:10:50 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> Pieter Roosens wrote: > So none of you have experienced any trouble with Paypal? Like them > closing down accounts and things like that ? I found a lot of rather > unpleasant information on the net. > It's hard to know how exceptional these are. > It happens... but it's much less frequent for merchants. The only time they freeze accounts is when the buyer files for reversal claiming they never got the product, etc. I've easily bought/sold about 20k worth through paypal in my day, and i've never had my account frozen. From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Sep 6 13:34:10 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:34:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <4ea507d21b464406be8cdd75417bc63a@easylistbox.com> References: <4ea507d21b464406be8cdd75417bc63a@easylistbox.com> Message-ID: <431DE122.2020706@neptunewebworks.com> Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > From: Maximillian Schwanekamp lists at neptunewebworks.com >>AFAIK it's still not possible to accept credit cards via PayPal without >>the customer having to use a payment form hosted by PayPal... > > You're wrong :) > https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_wp-pro-overview-outside. Cool! Thanks for the correction. OK, so I take back what I said about PayPal. Looks like their Website Payments Pro service is exactly like a regular credit card merchant account. Per-transaction rate is a bit high, but I guess that can be offset in various ways. It should be noted that working with their API is going to much the same as working with the API for another service. The more standard gateways such as Authorize.net, Verisign Payflow, etc have many prebuilt solutions available in multiple scripting languages, e.g. just about all shopping cart solutions support Authorize.Net. In any case development time should always be taken into account when choosing a solution. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From bedouglas at earthlink.net Tue Sep 6 13:51:10 2005 From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:51:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] a vertical line with div/css question!! Message-ID: <0dce01c5b313$f31de3a0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> (thanks for all the help with my prior footer question!!) hi... i'm curious as to how i could easily create a vertical line between the 'left area/right area' of the below diagram. i have a site/page structure that i want to look like the following: +------------------------------------------+ | | | Header | | | | | +------------------------------------------+ | (Nav Menus) | +------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | |(Left Side)| Right Side | | | (Text Area) | | | | | | | | Menu/ | | | Login | | | |<<<<--------------------------|------<< vertical line!! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +------------------------------------------+ | Footer | +------------------------------------------+ the issue that i'm having is that i can set up the css to draw a line for either the left or the right, based on the left-border, right-border, but it doesn't get me what i'm looking for, given that the two areas may not necessarily be the same legnth/size. so, i thought my solution would be to simply create a css/div that would have 'height: 100%;' and do a 1 px solid line. ummm.. nope, didn't work. instead it gave me a vertical liine that was longer than either left/right area.. i've looked through various sites/information but didn't find anything that gave me what i'm looking for. although i did run across some people who've apparently had a similar problem!! any pointers/solutions would be helpful. thanks -bruce bedouglas at earthlink.net From RPringle at aurora-il.org Tue Sep 6 13:52:52 2005 From: RPringle at aurora-il.org (Pringle, Ron) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:52:52 -0500 Subject: [thelist] a vertical line with div/css question!! Message-ID: <4A27645B1A4F4D4181909FA5D213FEF46D77F6@coaexb.coa.aurora-il.org> > hi... > > i'm curious as to how i could easily create a vertical line > between the > 'left area/right area' of the below diagram. > > i've looked through various sites/information but didn't find > anything that > gave me what i'm looking for. although i did run across some > people who've > apparently had a similar problem!! > > any pointers/solutions would be helpful. > > thanks > > -bruce Bruce- Take a look at the CSS-D Wiki concerning 2 column layouts. Essentially, if you want an any column longest layout, as you've indicated, your border will end up being a background image for a containing div. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=TwoColumnLayouts Regards, Ron From ian at zstudio.co.uk Tue Sep 6 14:05:23 2005 From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:05:23 +0100 Subject: [thelist] a vertical line with div/css question!! In-Reply-To: <0dce01c5b313$f31de3a0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> References: <0dce01c5b313$f31de3a0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> Message-ID: <431DE873.6020007@zstudio.co.uk> bruce wrote: >i'm curious as to how i could easily create a vertical line between the >'left area/right area' of the below diagram. > Hi Bruce, as far as I know, the usual way to achieve this would be to have a wrapper div around the left and right divs, and apply a background image to that wrapper. Something like this, if you're using floats.
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#wrapper { background: url(vertical_tiling_image_with_line.gif) repeat-y; } #left { float: left; width: 20%; } #right { float: right; } .clear { clear: both; } with the floats, remember that to avoid certain CSS bugs in IE, you need to apply position:relative; and an explicit width or height to all floated elements. This can be done unobtrusively using something like this: * html #left, * html #right{ position: relative; height: 1%; } "* html" is a contextual selector that starts from a phantom element outside the HTML element; to date, only IE has this element, and so good browsers ignore the rule. Hope this helps Cheers Ian From oktellme at earthlink.net Tue Sep 6 17:05:40 2005 From: oktellme at earthlink.net (Lightening) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:05:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Message-ID: <11819047.1126044340119.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- From: Dan McCullough Sent: Sep 6, 2005 9:40 AM To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" Subject: Re: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? Hopefully meant as a joke, but " As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their credit card details (definite turn-off)" No nononononononnonnononnonononnono. PayPal is a very good alternative if you are looking for something inexpensive/cheap/free. There are other low cost alternatives, and all have their little pros and cons. I use PayPal and have never had very much problem with it, I can get my money at anytime and they have some very cool features. On 9/6/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Gday all, > > My question is that simple, age-old burning question of greasy > hand-rubbing men in dark coats everywhere: > > How do you extract money from people via the internet? > > If you're trying to sell someone a service over a website, for example > in my case, maths tutoring, how can you make them pay for it? > > As far as I can tell, options include forcing them to email you their > credit card details (definite turn-off), PayPal, and that system that > large companies have where you can enter your credit card details on a > secure site, and it debits immediately (if anyone knows how one would > go about implementing this, I'd be very pleased to hear it). > > Thanks for any ideas and enlightenment. > > - mank. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ftarzwell at fayec.com Tue Sep 6 20:27:03 2005 From: ftarzwell at fayec.com (Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:27:03 -0400 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error Message-ID: <431E41E7.8090102@fayec.com> Hi, I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. the line is: Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form so I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") But everytime I add that to the line it gives several errors depending on what I use to join the recipients (&, ;, , ): Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' Expected end of statement /quote_sent.asp, line 6 Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") or Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Mailer.AddRecipient' /quote_sent.asp, line 6 or Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' /quote_sent.asp, line 7 Any help is appreciated..what am I doing wrong???? FayeC From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Sep 6 21:23:36 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:23:36 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF23@kjserver1.kjhome.local> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) : Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error : : I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. : the line is: : Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" : : And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form : so I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: : Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : : But everytime I add that to the line it gives several : errors depending on what I use to join the recipients : (&, ;, , ): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What do you mean "join the recipients"? I don't know what mail component you are using, but it seems that if it has an .AddRecipient method, you'd need to call that for each recipient you wish to add. The & is VBScript for string concatenation - i.e. joining strings together in VBScript. It probably has nothing to do with how this mail component works. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' : : Expected end of statement : : /quote_sent.asp, line 6 : : Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why is there a ; at the end of this line of code? That's not valid VBScript (hence your compilation error). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : or : : Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : : Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: : 'Mailer.AddRecipient' : : /quote_sent.asp, line 6 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't know what bit of code you're using here. However you're supplying the wrong number of arguments to the AddRecipient method of the component in question. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : or : : Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : : Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' : : /quote_sent.asp, line 7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Again, no code supplied, but the error is pretty self-explanatory. Cheers Ken -- www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Sep 6 22:30:36 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:30:36 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF25@kjserver1.kjhome.local> I am an indiot - didn't read the subject line. You are using ASPMail. To add multiple recipients: objMail.AddRecipient "John Smith", "john at smith.com" objMail.AddRecipient "Jane Doe", "jane at doe.com" Cheers Ken : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) : : Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error : : : : I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. : : the line is: : : Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" : : : : And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form : : so I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: : : Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : : : : But everytime I add that to the line it gives several : : errors depending on what I use to join the recipients : : (&, ;, , ): : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : What do you mean "join the recipients"? : : I don't know what mail component you are using, but it seems that if it : has : an .AddRecipient method, you'd need to call that for each recipient you : wish : to add. : : The & is VBScript for string concatenation - i.e. joining strings together : in : VBScript. It probably has nothing to do with how this mail component : works. : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' : : : : Expected end of statement : : : : /quote_sent.asp, line 6 : : : : Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : Why is there a ; at the end of this line of code? That's not valid : VBScript : (hence your compilation error). : : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : : or : : : : Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : : : : Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: : : 'Mailer.AddRecipient' : : : : /quote_sent.asp, line 6 : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : I don't know what bit of code you're using here. However you're supplying : the : wrong number of arguments to the AddRecipient method of the component in : question. : : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : or : : : : Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : : : : Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' : : : : /quote_sent.asp, line 7 : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : Again, no code supplied, but the error is pretty self-explanatory. : : Cheers : Ken From erik at erikheerlein.com Tue Sep 6 23:40:41 2005 From: erik at erikheerlein.com (Erik Heerlein) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 00:40:41 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> Message-ID: > It happens... but it's much less frequent for merchants. The only > time they freeze accounts is when the buyer files for reversal > claiming they never got the product, etc. There was a time before PayPal was owned by eBay where PayPal was pretty ruthless in shutting down accounts with no explanation and sitting on the money with no apparent recourse for getting your money out. They were not technically a banking institution and thus were not held to the same FDIC rules that other banks were and their customer service had a tendency to just ignore people. Consumers had little recourse and one trick PayPal used was that although they might "freeze" an account, they would still allow money to be deposited (by a customer of yours) but you couldn't take any money out. Thus they could earn a pretty penny on interest on the accumulating money while they "checked into it" for months. Meanwhile your customer is saying, "Where is the product I ordered? I paid you through PayPal." but you haven't really been paid. Once eBay bought PayPal and more competition arrived, I believe things were cleaned up although I don't know if the FDIC plays a role now or not. But that's the back story as I understand it. My suggestion is to read the fine print. Erik Heerlein erik at erikheerlein.com From zhangweiwu at realss.com Wed Sep 7 03:04:25 2005 From: zhangweiwu at realss.com (Zhang Weiwu) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:04:25 +0800 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? Message-ID: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Hello. Is there somewhere a wiget I can implement in my application that I call ordered-multi-selection? Here is the effect I wish I can achieve (screenshot took from evolution) gopher://sappho.realss.com/I9/three_months/Screenshot.png It is like this: * you can select multiple entries and selected entries will disappear from left side and go to the right side * you can remove items fro right side and they reappear in the left side * you can adjust the order of the items on the right side. Googled around a bit, not so lucky... From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 03:25:31 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:25:31 +0100 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0509070125597ed180@mail.gmail.com> > Hello. Is there somewhere a wiget I can implement in my application that > I call ordered-multi-selection? > > Here is the effect I wish I can achieve (screenshot took from evolution) > > gopher://sappho.realss.com/I9/three_months/Screenshot.png > > It is like this: > > * you can select multiple entries and selected entries will > disappear from left side and go to the right side > * you can remove items fro right side and they reappear in the left side > * you can adjust the order of the items on the right side. > > Googled around a bit, not so lucky... This is one of the things I keep developing from scratch, too. Surely Hotscripts will have some though, possibly also with really bad old code :) From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 03:23:45 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:23:45 +0300 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Message-ID: Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a way ? Or do I need to download a special browser? Cheers, Volkan. On 9/7/05, Zhang Weiwu wrote: > Hello. Is there somewhere a wiget I can implement in my application that > I call ordered-multi-selection? > > Here is the effect I wish I can achieve (screenshot took from evolution) > > gopher://sappho.realss.com/I9/three_months/Screenshot.png > > It is like this: > > * you can select multiple entries and selected entries will > disappear from left side and go to the right side > * you can remove items fro right side and they reappear in the left side > * you can adjust the order of the items on the right side. > > Googled around a bit, not so lucky... > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Sep 7 03:50:18 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:50:18 +0300 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Message-ID: <431EA9CA.4050009@netvision.net.il> VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a way ? Or do > I need to download a special browser? Firefox Win 1.0.6 works for me. For more info see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_protocol Go phor it. ;) Hershel PS: Sorry, couldn't resist. From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 03:49:10 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:49:10 +0100 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0509070149159828a4@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a way ? Or do > I need to download a special browser? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_protocol Firefox should do it, but our proxy here prevents me from seeing it, too. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From jasonh at corestar.co.uk Wed Sep 7 04:10:28 2005 From: jasonh at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:10:28 +0100 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? Message-ID: Volkan: > > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a > > way ? Or do I need to download a special browser? Hershel: > Firefox Win 1.0.6 works for me. I think that's a yes :-) This appears to be an explanation of why Gopher can't / shouldn't be used in Internet Explorer. http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher://gopher.floodgap.com:70/0/g opher/wbgopher Jason From lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com Wed Sep 7 05:13:22 2005 From: lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com (Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE)) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:13:22 +0100 Subject: [thelist] links move 1 px right when hovering over them (only once) in IE Message-ID: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC3@irm80489> > -----Original Message----- > From: VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK [mailto:volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:28 PM > > Hi workers of the web! Hello! > Here's a site that i'm working on: > > http://www.pamukdedem.com/Template.html > > After the page's first load if you go to the bottom navigation and > hover on the links the links tend to move 1px to right for the first > time. Then they remain where they are. > > This occurs in ie6 W2K. It does not occur in FF. I see that too. > Do you have any idea of why this might happen? No! But I have three weird additions to your stylesheet that seem to fix it: #MainContent { border-right:1px #f9f9f9f solid; } That seems to fix the centered twitchy links at the expense of the right-aligned links... now *they* twitch! So: #Sarmal { width:100%; } No twitch, hurray! The top border hover is clipped, oh no! Not to worry: #Sarmal { padding-top:4px; } Well, who would have thought? - LK =========================================================== Our e-mail domain has now changed from iraspire.com to hmrcaspire.com. Please update your address books. =========================================================== From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 05:32:39 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:32:39 +0300 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes I managed to open it with ff. Not to divert the discussion but yet another curios question: A definition I find says that gopher is "a system that pre-dates the World Wide Web for organizing and displaying files on Internet servers. A Gopher server presents its contents as a hierarchically structured list of files. With the ascendance of the Web, many gopher databases were converted to Web sites which can be more easily accessed via Web search engines." So is there a reason to prefer gopher server to an http server? In order words, does gopher have some advantages over http, or is it just another protocol? Cheers, Volkan. On 9/7/05, Jason Handby wrote: > Volkan: > > > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a > > > way ? Or do I need to download a special browser? > > Hershel: > > Firefox Win 1.0.6 works for me. > > > I think that's a yes :-) > > > This appears to be an explanation of why Gopher can't / shouldn't be > used in Internet Explorer. > > > http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher://gopher.floodgap.com:70/0/g > opher/wbgopher > > > > Jason > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 05:43:47 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:43:47 +0100 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05090703436d35a691@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > Yes I managed to open it with ff. > > Not to divert the discussion but yet another curios question: > > A definition I find says that gopher is > > "a system that pre-dates the World Wide Web for organizing and > displaying files on Internet servers. A Gopher server presents its > contents as a hierarchically structured list of files. With the > ascendance of the Web, many gopher databases were converted to Web > sites which can be more easily accessed via Web search engines." > > So is there a reason to prefer gopher server to an http server? In > order words, does gopher have some advantages over http, or is it just > another protocol? Traditional reasons? I cannot think of anything else. Much like usenet is still the place to be for some people instead of forums. Seriously, this is the first time I have seen a gopher URL since 1994. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Sep 7 08:21:53 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:21:53 +1000 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF29@kjserver1.kjhome.local> I remember I used to teach gopher to 1st year students back when I was a final year student at Uni. And Archie, Veronica and Telnet :-) Frankly, IMHO, the world has moved on. Certainly there are certain older technologies (like NNTP, FTP etc) that have remained popular. FTP can support TLS for authentication/encryption. FTP extensions allow resuming downloads/uploads, and so on. However Gopher is not a protocol that has remained popular. It simply doesn't have any compelling features that recommend its use above/beyond competing protocols. Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK : Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 8:33 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? : : Yes I managed to open it with ff. : : Not to divert the discussion but yet another curios question: : : A definition I find says that gopher is : : "a system that pre-dates the World Wide Web for organizing and : displaying files on Internet servers. A Gopher server presents its : contents as a hierarchically structured list of files. With the : ascendance of the Web, many gopher databases were converted to Web : sites which can be more easily accessed via Web search engines." : : So is there a reason to prefer gopher server to an http server? In : order words, does gopher have some advantages over http, or is it just : another protocol? : : Cheers, : Volkan. : : On 9/7/05, Jason Handby wrote: : > Volkan: : > > > Just for curiosity: I cannot open gopher links. is there a : > > > way ? Or do I need to download a special browser? : > : > Hershel: : > > Firefox Win 1.0.6 works for me. : > : > : > I think that's a yes :-) : > : > : > This appears to be an explanation of why Gopher can't / shouldn't be : > used in Internet Explorer. : > : > : > http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher://gopher.floodgap.com:70/0/g : > opher/wbgopher From mhkamian at hotmail.com Wed Sep 7 08:52:43 2005 From: mhkamian at hotmail.com (Mark Kamian) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 06:52:43 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error In-Reply-To: <431E41E7.8090102@fayec.com> Message-ID: You should also consider using this, to accomodate certain characters: Mailer.AddRecipient """" & Request.Form("fullname") & """", Request.Form("email") >From: "Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)" >Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" >To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" >Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:27:03 -0400 > >Hi, > >I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. >the line is: >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" > >And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form so >I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: >Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") > >But everytime I add that to the line it gives several errors depending on >what I use to join the recipients (&, ;, , ): > > >Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' > >Expected end of statement > >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 > >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; Request.Form("fullname") , >Request.Form("email") >or > >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' > >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: >'Mailer.AddRecipient' > >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 > >or > >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' > >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' > >/quote_sent.asp, line 7 > > >Any help is appreciated..what am I doing wrong???? > > >FayeC > > > >-- > >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives >of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 08:59:38 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:59:38 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Redrawing issues of a dynamic table effect in Fx and Op Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05090706595fdf61dd@mail.gmail.com> http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/footercollapsetables/ Does anybody know how to fix the display issues in Opera? -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com Wed Sep 7 06:37:26 2005 From: roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com (Roger Newbrook) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:37:26 +0100 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style Message-ID: Hello boys and girls, I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I have access to the stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to add necessary additional classes etc. I want to redefine my text boxes with a different than default border. Initially I achieved this through redefining the input tag. A side effect of this is, that in redefing the input tag I am inheriting the redefined border on checkboxes and radio buttons. I have googled about on this problem, and the general idea/solution is that certain input types are given a corresponding class (ie . Here lies the problem, I don't have access to the forms to change the code. :( (reminds me a bit of the song "there's a hole in my bucket dear Liza") some other sites suggest using definitions such as input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. I have experimented with this but can't get them to work. Am I missing something simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this before? hope someone can help... Roger From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 09:49:47 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050907144947.24742.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>
.obscure input { font-size: 10px; background-color: #ccc; } --- Roger Newbrook wrote: > Hello boys and girls, > > I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I > have access to the > stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to > add necessary > additional classes etc. > > I want to redefine my text boxes with a different > than default border. > Initially I achieved this through redefining the > input tag. A side effect of > this is, that in redefing the input tag I am > inheriting the redefined border > on checkboxes and radio buttons. > > I have googled about on this problem, and the > general idea/solution is that > certain input types are given a corresponding class > (ie type="checkbox" class="checkbox">. Here lies the > problem, I don't have > access to the forms to change the code. :( (reminds > me a bit of the song > "there's a hole in my bucket dear Liza") > > some other sites suggest using definitions such as > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of > accessing the input type. I have > experimented with this but can't get them to work. > Am I missing something > simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this > before? > > hope someone can help... > > Roger > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 09:52:06 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:52:06 +0300 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Though it depends on other issues DOM may be a solution: Not tested the code. HTH, Volkan. On 9/7/05, Roger Newbrook wrote: > Hello boys and girls, > > I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I have access to the > stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to add necessary > additional classes etc. > > I want to redefine my text boxes with a different than default border. > Initially I achieved this through redefining the input tag. A side effect of > this is, that in redefing the input tag I am inheriting the redefined border > on checkboxes and radio buttons. > > I have googled about on this problem, and the general idea/solution is that > certain input types are given a corresponding class (ie type="checkbox" class="checkbox">. Here lies the problem, I don't have > access to the forms to change the code. :( (reminds me a bit of the song > "there's a hole in my bucket dear Liza") > > some other sites suggest using definitions such as > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. I have > experimented with this but can't get them to work. Am I missing something > simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this before? > > hope someone can help... > > Roger > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 09:54:37 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:54:37 +0300 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: provided that you can access an external js file of course. On 9/7/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > Though it depends on other issues DOM may be a solution: > > > > Not tested the code. > > HTH, > Volkan. > > > On 9/7/05, Roger Newbrook wrote: > > Hello boys and girls, > > > > I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I have access to the > > stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to add necessary > > additional classes etc. > > > > I want to redefine my text boxes with a different than default border. > > Initially I achieved this through redefining the input tag. A side effect of > > this is, that in redefing the input tag I am inheriting the redefined border > > on checkboxes and radio buttons. > > > > I have googled about on this problem, and the general idea/solution is that > > certain input types are given a corresponding class (ie > type="checkbox" class="checkbox">. Here lies the problem, I don't have > > access to the forms to change the code. :( (reminds me a bit of the song > > "there's a hole in my bucket dear Liza") > > > > some other sites suggest using definitions such as > > > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. I have > > experimented with this but can't get them to work. Am I missing something > > simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this before? > > > > hope someone can help... > > > > Roger > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > From lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com Wed Sep 7 10:22:55 2005 From: lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com (Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE)) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:22:55 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Redrawing issues of a dynamic table effect in Fx an d Op Message-ID: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC4@irm80489> > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Heilmann [mailto:codepo8 at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:00 PM > > http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/footercollapsetables/ > > Does anybody know how to fix the display issues in Opera? I'm assuming the display issue is the 'short' header in the second table? Your second cell in the footer row, has colspan="2"; giving the table a rogue third column. The difference is noticeable in IE with a keen eye, compare the right-hand border of the header row between the first and second tables. - LK =========================================================== Our e-mail domain has now changed from iraspire.com to hmrcaspire.com. Please update your address books. =========================================================== From Brian at hondaswap.com Wed Sep 7 10:28:07 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:28:07 -0400 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431F0707.6040706@hondaswap.com> Roger Newbrook wrote: > > some other sites suggest using definitions such as > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. I have > experimented with this but can't get them to work. Am I missing something > simple here? Has anyone tackled a problem like this before? Firefox should handel this no problem, but IE will fail on it. You will need to include the faux-IE7 scripting by dean edwards for IE to utilize it properly. From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 10:56:28 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:56:28 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Redrawing issues of a dynamic table effect in Fx an d Op In-Reply-To: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC4@irm80489> References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC4@irm80489> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05090708566a28eaf6@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/05, Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE) wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christian Heilmann [mailto:codepo8 at gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:00 PM > > > > http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/footercollapsetables/ > > > > Does anybody know how to fix the display issues in Opera? > > I'm assuming the display issue is the 'short' header in the second table? > > Your second cell in the footer row, has colspan="2"; giving the table a > rogue third column. The difference is noticeable in IE with a keen eye, > compare the right-hand border of the header row between the first and second > tables. Ah wicked. Now Opera? From roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com Wed Sep 7 10:42:16 2005 From: roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com (Roger Newbrook) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:42:16 +0100 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nes ted CSS style Message-ID: Brain wrote "Firefox should handel this no problem, but IE will fail on it. You will need to include the faux-IE7 scripting by dean edwards for IE to utilize it properly." thanks, I more or less expected this to not work across all browsers. i will investigate further. oddly enough i did try this in firefox yesterday to no avail. time to try again me thinks. :) -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com Wed Sep 7 10:18:26 2005 From: roger.newbrook at scientiasolutions.com (Roger Newbrook) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:18:26 +0100 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nes ted CSS style Message-ID: Volkan wrote "Though it depends on other issues DOM may be a solution:" Nice idea, hadn't considered that, this is not a possibility unfortunately though as i don't have access to an external js file, i only have access to the stylesheets. therein lies the problem. Anthony suggested referencing within a specific div. The problem with that is that the divs are already defined and depending on the structure of the forms may already contain multiple inputs types as text, radio or checkbox. I will continue to dig around and post as a tip if i come up with a satisfactory solution. had wondered whether pseudo classes might be the answer but they don't work either. oh me :( roger From doug.rehg at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 11:33:19 2005 From: doug.rehg at gmail.com (Doug R) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:33:19 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Redrawing issues of a dynamic table effect in Fx an d Op In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd05090708566a28eaf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC4@irm80489> <30bd6ffd05090708566a28eaf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Maybe you fixed it already, but when I look at it in opera (v8.02), I don't see anything wrong... the only issue I see is that the colums change width as you open and close the tables, but that issue seems to be present in FF( 1.0.4) for the CD table. On 9/7/05, Christian Heilmann wrote: > > On 9/7/05, Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE) > wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Christian Heilmann [mailto:codepo8 at gmail.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:00 PM > > > > > > http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/footercollapsetables/ > > > > > > Does anybody know how to fix the display issues in Opera? > > > > I'm assuming the display issue is the 'short' header in the second > table? > > > > Your second cell in the footer row, has colspan="2"; giving the table a > > rogue third column. The difference is noticeable in IE with a keen eye, > > compare the right-hand border of the header row between the first and > second > > tables. > > Ah wicked. Now Opera? > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From pieter at roosensdesign.com Wed Sep 7 12:53:57 2005 From: pieter at roosensdesign.com (Pieter Roosens) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:53:57 +0200 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> Message-ID: <3B1B2D92-6841-4B07-BC86-E7583F68E4A7@roosensdesign.com> >> It happens... but it's much less frequent for merchants. The only >> time they freeze accounts is when the buyer files for reversal >> claiming they never got the product, etc. >> > > There was a time before PayPal was owned by eBay where PayPal was > pretty ruthless in shutting down accounts with no explanation and > sitting on the money with no apparent recourse for getting your > money out. They were not technically a banking institution and thus > were not held to the same FDIC rules that other banks were and > their customer service had a tendency to just ignore people. > > Consumers had little recourse and one trick PayPal used was that > although they might "freeze" an account, they would still allow > money to be deposited (by a customer of yours) but you couldn't > take any money out. Thus they could earn a pretty penny on interest > on the accumulating money while they "checked into it" for months. > Meanwhile your customer is saying, "Where is the product I ordered? > I paid you through PayPal." but you haven't really been paid. > > Once eBay bought PayPal and more competition arrived, I believe > things were cleaned up although I don't know if the FDIC plays a > role now or not. But that's the back story as I understand it. > > My suggestion is to read the fine print. > > > Erik Heerlein > erik at erikheerlein.com Thanks all. I learned a lot about Paypal here :-) Pieter From bedouglas at earthlink.net Wed Sep 7 13:37:09 2005 From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:37:09 -0700 Subject: [thelist] user registration/login - admin functions... Message-ID: <0fcb01c5b3db$282f5ed0$0301a8c0@Mesa.com> hi... i'm creating a couple of sites that are going to need a user registration/login functin as well as an admin function. rather than reinvent the wheel, it thought i'd turn to you guys, to see if you've run across any app that you thought was good regarding the functions. i'm more than willing to rip off, copy/paste functionality! i'm leaning towards a php solution... user registration/login: -allow user to enter basic information -allow user to enter username/passwd -ensure unique username -email confirmation of user registration -password regeneration (forgot passwd) -handle forgot username/password -ip blocking -email blocking -security graphic verification (capcha??) -admin notification -aadmin enable/authorize -Session var generation on successful login -limit login attempts for invalid logins -ensure only single usage of login at a time -ensure that multiple logins of a login is within a geographic/IP range -IP/User tracking - Admin functionality: -IP Tracking -IP blocking -User Management -User Enable/Disable function -User Auth/Verification function -User Email Function -User Password regeneration function -Site Mamagement -List Users -Track User Actions within site -Allow User to be a member of a given group -Create Groups -Assign User Roles/Groups - - - - This is kind of a basic/starting point. I'm looking at a few CMS apps, but i'm curious to know if you guys have seen any app (open source) that has what i'm looking for... thanks bruce bedouglas at earthlink.net From lists at neptunewebworks.com Wed Sep 7 18:09:51 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:09:51 -0700 Subject: [thelist] accessing an input type (ie checkbox) through a nested CSS style In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431F733F.9020408@neptunewebworks.com> Roger Newbrook wrote: > I am trying to style a series of forms using CSS. I have access to the > stylesheet to do this but not the actual codebase to add necessary > additional classes etc. Bummer. But if the markup being output to the browser is reasonably clean, you should be able to go fairly far with pure css. > I want to redefine my text boxes with a different than default border. > Initially I achieved this through redefining the input tag. A side effect of > this is, that in redefing the input tag I am inheriting the redefined border > on checkboxes and radio buttons. Child selectors are your friend. Usually text inputs, selects, etc are inside some kind of containing element, such as label, fieldset, or in old-school pages usually a table. Often submit and other buttons are outside that container, so you can do something like this to apply the style only to inputs within the container: fieldset input, td input { border: 5px dashed orange; } > > input.text or input[type="text"] as ways of accessing the input type. input.text requires putting class="text" on all regular text input elements. The other is IIRC CSS 2.0, which is not well supported by Internet Explorer pre v7. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Sep 7 18:41:13 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:41:13 +1000 Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF2E@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Wouldn't that include a literal " as part of the person's name? So, instead of: Joe Bloggs It would be: "Joe Bloggs" ? Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Mark Kamian : Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 11:53 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: RE: [thelist] ASPMail error : : You should also consider using this, to accomodate certain characters: : : Mailer.AddRecipient """" & Request.Form("fullname") & """", : Request.Form("email") : : : : >From: "Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)" : >Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" : >To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" : >Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error : >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:27:03 -0400 : > : >Hi, : > : >I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. : >the line is: : >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" : > : >And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form : so : >I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: : >Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") : > : >But everytime I add that to the line it gives several errors depending on : >what I use to join the recipients (&, ;, , ): : > : > : >Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' : > : >Expected end of statement : > : >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 : > : >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; Request.Form("fullname") : , : >Request.Form("email") : >or : > : >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : > : >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: : >'Mailer.AddRecipient' : > : >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 : > : >or : > : >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' : > : >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' : > : >/quote_sent.asp, line 7 : > : > : >Any help is appreciated..what am I doing wrong???? : > : > : >FayeC : > : > : > : >-- : > : >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * : >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : > : >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and : archives : >of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! : : _________________________________________________________________ : FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! : http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ : : -- : : * * Please support the community that supports you. * * : http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : : For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester : and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org : Workers of the Web, evolt ! From escalonab at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 19:08:59 2005 From: escalonab at gmail.com (Bernardo Escalona-Espinosa) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:08:59 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Change mySql field size Message-ID: <12d1e09105090717083b4e7cb7@mail.gmail.com> Hello list, I feel really dumb by asking this, but I just need to be sure. I need to change the size of a field in one of my mySql databases. Right now i only allow visitors to my website to add comments that are 300 chars long, and i want to allow up to 1000. 1) I couldnt find a definite answer but i think the mySql command goes something like this: ALTER TABLE comments CHANGE comment_content text(1000); Does this look ok? Im still not very clear on the maximum size and trailing-space removal of TEXT-type fields. 2) Will the existing contents of these fields be affected? My guess is probably not, but I just want to make sure. -- ___________________________________________ Bernardo Escalona Espinosa office: [52 55] 56 22 85 23 fax: [52 55] 56 22 88 77 home: [52 55] 55 30 13 96 cel: 55 18 56 74 73 http://www.bernsonline.com/ From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 19:12:35 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Change mySql field size In-Reply-To: <12d1e09105090717083b4e7cb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050908001235.27200.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> ALTER TABLE foo MODIFY column FOO ... I would just use TEXT or TINYTEXT but if you wanted only 1000 chars, you would use VARCHAR(1000); --- Bernardo Escalona-Espinosa wrote: > Hello list, > > I feel really dumb by asking this, but I just need > to be sure. > > I need to change the size of a field in one of my > mySql databases. > Right now i only allow visitors to my website to add > comments that are > 300 chars long, and i want to allow up to 1000. > > 1) I couldnt find a definite answer but i think the > mySql command goes > something like this: > ALTER TABLE comments CHANGE comment_content > text(1000); > Does this look ok? Im still not very clear on the > maximum size and > trailing-space removal of TEXT-type fields. > > 2) Will the existing contents of these fields be > affected? My guess is > probably not, but I just want to make sure. > > -- > ___________________________________________ > Bernardo Escalona Espinosa > office: [52 55] 56 22 85 23 > fax: [52 55] 56 22 88 77 > home: [52 55] 55 30 13 96 > cel: 55 18 56 74 73 > http://www.bernsonline.com/ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kmgaughan at eircom.net Wed Sep 7 19:33:18 2005 From: kmgaughan at eircom.net (Keith Gaughan) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 01:33:18 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Change mySql field size In-Reply-To: <12d1e09105090717083b4e7cb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <12d1e09105090717083b4e7cb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431F86CE.9050805@eircom.net> Bernardo Escalona-Espinosa wrote: > I need to change the size of a field in one of my mySql databases. > Right now i only allow visitors to my website to add comments that are > 300 chars long, and i want to allow up to 1000. > > 1) I couldnt find a definite answer but i think the mySql command goes > something like this: > ALTER TABLE comments CHANGE comment_content text(1000); > Does this look ok? Im still not very clear on the maximum size and > trailing-space removal of TEXT-type fields. If the field is already of type TEXT, you don't need to change it. TEXT fields can store up to 64kB of text. You do not need to specify a size with them. The only text types that take a size are the VARCHAR and CHAR types, which up to 5.0.3, could hold up to 255 characters, but now can store up to 65535 bytes worth. > 2) Will the existing contents of these fields be affected? My guess is > probably not, but I just want to make sure. It won't be affected. K. From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:12:15 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:12:15 +0300 Subject: [thelist] links move 1 px right when hovering over them (only once) in IE In-Reply-To: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC3@irm80489> References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC3@irm80489> Message-ID: Thanks Lee, Your suggestion solved this peculiar problem. Sometimes it's hard to understand browsers. So can we make an analogy between browsers and women (bad joke at 06:30 a.m. :) ). Cheers, Volkan. On 9/7/05, Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE) wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK [mailto:volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:28 PM > > > > Hi workers of the web! > > Hello! > > > Here's a site that i'm working on: > > > > http://www.pamukdedem.com/Template.html > > > > After the page's first load if you go to the bottom navigation and > > hover on the links the links tend to move 1px to right for the first > > time. Then they remain where they are. > > > > This occurs in ie6 W2K. It does not occur in FF. > > I see that too. > > > Do you have any idea of why this might happen? > > No! But I have three weird additions to your stylesheet that seem to fix > it: > > #MainContent > { > border-right:1px #f9f9f9f solid; > } > > That seems to fix the centered twitchy links at the expense of the > right-aligned links... now *they* twitch! So: > > #Sarmal > { > width:100%; > } > > No twitch, hurray! The top border hover is clipped, oh no! Not to worry: > > #Sarmal > { > padding-top:4px; > } > > Well, who would have thought? > > - LK > > > =========================================================== > Our e-mail domain has now changed from iraspire.com to hmrcaspire.com. Please update your address books. > =========================================================== > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From amandakuek at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:35:09 2005 From: amandakuek at gmail.com (Amanda Kuek) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:35:09 +1000 Subject: [thelist] links move 1 px right when hovering over them (only once) in IE In-Reply-To: References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC3@irm80489> Message-ID: > > Sometimes it's hard to understand browsers. So can we make an analogy > between browsers and women (bad joke at 06:30 a.m. :) ). Don't even get me started on the "The best are fire-y, fox-y and openly saucy" jokes. (Okay, it might be stretching it to get "openly saucy" from "open source") (Really, the whole thing's stretching it). From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 23:40:38 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) Message-ID: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Just bought: ASUS K8V-X motherboard AMD Semperon 3000+ 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. Local computer shop said it was a defective motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to do this though. Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? Not sure what to look for. Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From april at farstrider.org Thu Sep 8 00:50:14 2005 From: april at farstrider.org (April) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:50:14 -0700 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <431FD116.8090306@farstrider.org> You're looking for the motherboard directly touching metal ANYWHERE. The screws and risers holding the motherboard in should be directly against the little contacts around the screwholes meant for them. Common reasons are putting in more risers than the motherboard had screwholes for or a spare misplaced screw getting lost behind the motherboard. Unfortunately, after the obvious, things can get really flaky. By not grounding yourself while working with the board in the first place, it can fry the motherboard, which would have no visible signs. The motherboard might have just arrived broken, too, or been killed by a power surge. Any piece of hardware in the computer can be causing the short... I once had a short caused by a 4.99$ computer case fan. From here, it becomes a big case of trial and error, pulling out hardware or substituting in other hardware and seeing if it works after that. If the computer is working with a new motherboard, the most likely culprit is the motherboard didnt' work in the first place. Grounding is important but isn't an automatic kill for every mishandled motherboard (just a few). Look into RMAing it. Anthony Ettinger wrote: > Just bought: > ASUS K8V-X motherboard > AMD Semperon 3000+ > 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 > eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card > > However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. > Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is > on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. > > Local computer shop said it was a defective > motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about > grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to > do this though. > > Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? > Not sure what to look for. > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From info at internetvraagbaak.nl Thu Sep 8 01:31:08 2005 From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Info@internetvraagbaak.nl) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:31:08 +0200 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) References: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003801c5b43e$e5b45560$0201a8c0@cartesiapvek83> Maybe have a look here : http://www.auldfart.co.uk/beepcodes.htm if you did not yet do that allready. Very handy when you do a trail and error on connecting hardware from scratch to everything in place on the board... Good luck Jeroen > Just bought: > ASUS K8V-X motherboard > AMD Semperon 3000+ > 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 > eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card > > However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. > Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is > on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. > > Local computer shop said it was a defective > motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about > grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to > do this though. > > Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? > Not sure what to look for. > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From zhangweiwu at realss.com Thu Sep 8 01:46:56 2005 From: zhangweiwu at realss.com (Zhang Weiwu) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:46:56 +0800 Subject: [thelist] js widget for ordered selection? In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd05090703436d35a691@mail.gmail.com> References: <30bd6ffd05090703436d35a691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431FDE60.9060300@realss.com> Christian Heilmann wrote: >On 9/7/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > > >>Yes I managed to open it with ff. >> >>Not to divert the discussion but yet another curios question: >> >>A definition I find says that gopher >>"a system that pre-dates the World Wide Web for organizing and >>displaying files on Internet servers. A Gopher server presents its >>contents as a hierarchically structured list of files. With the >>ascendance of the Web, many gopher databases were converted to Web >>sites which can be more easily accessed via Web search engines." >> >>So is there a reason to prefer gopher server to an http server? In >>order words, does gopher have some advantages over http, or is it just >>another protocol? >> >> > >Traditional reasons? I cannot think of anything else. Much like usenet >is still the place to be for some people instead of forums. > > Years ago I wrote a script to upload local file to gopher server and timely remove my single small files from gopher server, often just an screenshot or a piece of source, and by that time gopher server is so easy to setup on my router - computer and IE works with it (now IE doesn't work with it because several cracker developed a way to break IE by a specially designed gopher server and thus MS people shutdown gopher support), config file is only one or two options long (cannot recall). And the computer has been runing years with its MMX processor and old Linux kernel, there is no reason not to use it. Yes the script I used for years (script for monthly, weekly and daily clean old gopher files to leave space for new ones) but there is no realy good reason why I start to write a new script. Maybe there is a good reason because people talk about gopher more then my original topic which is about a future web widget that is still not well developed today:) I'll not have to explain this when my good old gopher server is finally old enough and broken. Then I would like to start to use today's new technique that sometimes get called 'enterprise resource distribution server' with some 400,000 lines of source and it is really powerful. From zhangweiwu at realss.com Thu Sep 8 02:00:35 2005 From: zhangweiwu at realss.com (Zhang Weiwu) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:00:35 +0800 Subject: [thelist] (really about) js widget for ordered selection? (gopher discussion goes to the old hole) In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0509070125597ed180@mail.gmail.com> References: <431E9F09.8040402@realss.com> <30bd6ffd0509070125597ed180@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431FE193.3010603@realss.com> Christian Heilmann wrote: >>Hello. Is there somewhere a wiget I can implement in my application that >>I call ordered-multi-selection? >> >>Here is the effect I wish I can achieve (screenshot took from evolution) >> >>gopher://sappho.realss.com/I9/three_months/Screenshot.png >> >>It is like this: >> >> * you can select multiple entries and selected entries will >> disappear from left side and go to the right side >> * you can remove items fro right side and they reappear in the left side >> * you can adjust the order of the items on the right side. >> >>Googled around a bit, not so lucky... >> >> > >This is one of the things I keep developing from scratch, too. Surely >Hotscripts will have some though, possibly also with really bad old >code :) > > Ah, even old code, but where? With no answers I'll start to develop from scratch too. It's not difficult but I just love to use other people's workable implementation. Or any suggestion of keywords so I start to explore? (sorry, so I start to fox?) From akamm at demicooper.com Thu Sep 8 07:50:48 2005 From: akamm at demicooper.com (Andrew Kamm) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:50:48 -0500 Subject: [thelist] MySQL "OR" Message-ID: Is it proper to execute a rather long SQL query in MySQL? I'm not aware of a reason this wouldn't work (unless there is simply a limit on the length of a queries), but I'm not sure if it's bad form or if the DB would respond poorly. Please see the PHP code below. At this point in the code, I've gathered an array of advertiser_id's from a separate function, and I want to do a query that basically says "SELECT X FROM TABLE Y WHERE advertiser_id = $q_or" where $q_or is the imploded array below. As the app grows, this could become a potentially long list of "OR's". if (is_array($advertisers)) { //Wrap array values with ' ' foreach($advertisers as $value) { $newAdvertisers[] = "'".$value."'"; } //Create 'or' section of query with array $q_or = implode(" OR advertiser_id = ", $newAdvertisers); //SELECT STATEMENT, ETC.... } Thanks in advance! -- Andrew Kamm From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 08:03:28 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:03:28 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. Message-ID: Hi all ! We are developing an enterprise application using JSP / J2EE / Websphere on an array of IBM e-servers.That is our ram + cpu etc are pretty adequate for the time being. However we are adding more and more agencies (the final target is a distributed nation-wide web app) Me and several others in other department are responsible for optimization / technology development / security issues. After this much introduction here is my scenario: In a specific module of our app we need to store a large HTML file to a log table for both reference and security reasons (so that if an agent alters the output somehow we have the orignal copy in hand). What we basically do is: 1. create a stringbuffer. 2. fill the buffer with a lot of information, legal disclaimers, monetary info, currency rates, bills etc. etc. 4. set output = buffer.toString(); 5. session.setattribute( "whatever",output ); ... do other transactional stuff ... at a downward place on the flowchart. 1. store session.getAttribute("whatever") to database. 2. session.removeAttribute("whatever") Which effectively means that we store a very large data in memory for some time. This procedure is used a few thousand times per day by a few hundered clients. It is likely that the number of clients will increase from a few hundereds to several thousands (the application is in pilot phase; if it succeeds the second phase is increasing its coverage incremantally). When I see usage of session object as a datastore I jump out of my seat several inches above. My questions are: - Does this approach makes sense in terms of storing a very large data ? (given that the data is stored on the session for the smallest time possible and we ensure that it is removed when the procedure ends or an exception is thrown and the procedure fails.) - Will I be better off storing it on a temporary text file (sessionID.txt) saving it and reading from that file instead of dumping a very large data into session? - Are there any other ways around that may come to your mind? Thank you very much in advance; Volkan. From lists at zaunere.com Thu Sep 8 08:10:36 2005 From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:10:36 -0400 Subject: [thelist] MySQL "OR" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EDMAn0zkl-0003La@mrelay.perfora.net> Andrew Kamm wrote on Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:51 AM: > Is it proper to execute a rather long SQL query in MySQL? I'm not aware > of a reason this wouldn't work (unless there is simply a limit on the > length of a queries), but I'm not sure if it's bad form or if the DB > would respond poorly. > > Please see the PHP code below. At this point in the code, I've gathered > an array of advertiser_id's from a separate function, and I want to do a > query that basically says "SELECT X FROM TABLE Y WHERE advertiser_id = > $q_or" where $q_or is the imploded array below. As the app grows, this > could become a potentially long list of "OR's". > > if (is_array($advertisers)) > { //Wrap array values with ' ' > foreach($advertisers as $value) > { > $newAdvertisers[] = "'".$value."'"; > } > > //Create 'or' section of query with array > $q_or = implode(" OR advertiser_id = ", $newAdvertisers); > > //SELECT STATEMENT, ETC.... > } > > Thanks in advance! You don't want to over use the logical OR. Also consider IN() http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/comparison-operators.html --- Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP / www.nyphp.com From paul at xk7.net Thu Sep 8 08:15:12 2005 From: paul at xk7.net (Paul Waring) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:15:12 +0100 Subject: [thelist] MySQL "OR" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050908131512.GA58553@kryten.xk7.net> On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 07:50:48AM -0500, Andrew Kamm wrote: > Is it proper to execute a rather long SQL query in MySQL? I'm not aware of > a reason this wouldn't work (unless there is simply a limit on the length of > a queries), but I'm not sure if it's bad form or if the DB would respond > poorly. As far as I know, there isn't a limit, but it might take a while for MySQL to parse extremely long query strings. > //Create 'or' section of query with array > $q_or = implode(" OR advertiser_id = ", $newAdvertisers); Try: $q_or = " WHERE advertiser_id IN ( " . implode(",", $newAdvertisers) . " )"; The IN comparison operator works like a bunch of ORs in this case (though there is another use of it). See this page for more information: http://www.1keydata.com/sql/sqlin.html I believe phpBB also uses this sort of query in some of its code (groupmod.php or something) if you want to see a real world example. Hope this helps! Paul -- Rogue Tory http://www.roguetory.org.uk From amandakuek at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 08:19:10 2005 From: amandakuek at gmail.com (Amanda Kuek) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:19:10 +1000 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: <3B1B2D92-6841-4B07-BC86-E7583F68E4A7@roosensdesign.com> References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> <3B1B2D92-6841-4B07-BC86-E7583F68E4A7@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: Thanks very much everyone for the slew of advice. I'm surprised that PayPal wasn't given more of a beating, but I think I may have been biased by reading www.PayPalSucks.com before doing any actual research. Mind you, there's also a www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com, but I haven't been creeped out of my gmail account (yet). I somehow suspect that the suggestion that will appeal most to my client is "Send thugs". :) From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Thu Sep 8 08:35:22 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:35:22 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would be looking at - how frequently is this going to be accessed, for one: can it be gziped and a reference to filename held in session/db, or is this going to eat too much cpu? Are there common blocks - could a boilerplate(s) be used with, say, xml or such to store variables? Or else I'd go with what you mentioned - write your file to FS or a DB?blob - in the former, keep filename in session, if it's being accessed regularly, fs caching should make performance near or equal to being in session, likewise with good db query caching. If not, you still have the reference, and more free memory. Rob From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com Thu Sep 8 08:35:22 2005 From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:35:22 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would be looking at - how frequently is this going to be accessed, for one: can it be gziped and a reference to filename held in session/db, or is this going to eat too much cpu? Are there common blocks - could a boilerplate(s) be used with, say, xml or such to store variables? Or else I'd go with what you mentioned - write your file to FS or a DB?blob - in the former, keep filename in session, if it's being accessed regularly, fs caching should make performance near or equal to being in session, likewise with good db query caching. If not, you still have the reference, and more free memory. Rob From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 08:52:35 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:52:35 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How do you extract money from people over the internet? In-Reply-To: References: <010201c5b2ed$29d73490$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <9881F5EB-58EB-4334-B531-4F7FB8C4B6CF@roosensdesign.com> <431DDBAA.8000906@hondaswap.com> <3B1B2D92-6841-4B07-BC86-E7583F68E4A7@roosensdesign.com> Message-ID: One thing to remember is that there are a number of people who arent going to be happy with anything you have to weight the good and the bad, and take the information and make an informed decision. :) I have a love/hate relationship with BroadVision, hate it hate it hate it, no the people mind you, yet there are countless others who love it and would never leave it. :) On 9/8/05, Amanda Kuek wrote: > Thanks very much everyone for the slew of advice. > > I'm surprised that PayPal wasn't given more of a beating, but I think > I may have been biased by reading www.PayPalSucks.com before doing any > actual research. Mind you, there's also a www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com, > but I haven't been creeped out of my gmail account (yet). > > I somehow suspect that the suggestion that will appeal most to my > client is "Send thugs". :) > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From hershelr at netvision.net.il Thu Sep 8 09:57:11 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:57:11 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Survey Software Message-ID: <43205147.9070300@netvision.net.il> I have a LAMP site, to which we could like to add the ability to conduct surveys. We have for sure one survey now of around 60 questions. I am looking ideally for a PHP-based package with some sort of editable template so that the survey pages can match the rest of our site easily. I have found these three options thus far: http://phpsurveyor.sourceforge.net/ This seems to be the most full-featured one, based on a brief examination of their site and demos. The interface seems good both for the admin and the surveys. Seems complicated which generally implies a lot of functionality. This package has templates and claims HTML/CSS validity, which is also a plus. http://phpesp.sourceforge.net/ Their web site is quite unimpressive and the interface for the sample surveys also is mildly unimpressive. Could be the internals are very good, however and it could be made to look good. The demo itself has PHP errors, which is a bit of a turnoff. http://www.proxy2.de/scripts.php [ Advanced Poll 2.0.3 ] The sample polls include only one question. Maybe polls could have more. I have a feeling that 'poll' however means one question and 'survey' means more than one. At this point, phpSurveyor seems to me clearly to be the best of these three, but I am looking for input from anyone regarding these packages or a different solution. A commercial solution is also an option, if it could be determined to actually be worth the purchase price. :) Thanks, Hershel From Ron.Luther at hp.com Thu Sep 8 09:53:22 2005 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:53:22 -0500 Subject: [thelist] MySQL "OR" Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76F4C@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Andrew Kamm asked about long "OR" SQL: >>Is it proper to execute a rather long SQL query in MySQL? >>I'm not aware of a reason this wouldn't work (unless there >>is simply a limit on the length of a queries), but I'm not >>sure if it's bad form or if the DB would respond poorly. Hi Andrew, Yeah you can execute a "long" query, and sometimes you need to. >From a cursory glance, however, it looks like you are looking to return results either for 'new' advertisers, or a group of advertisers having some property in common, (same industry or something for example). If that is the case, then I believe you would get better performance if you created a separate table of 'new' advertisers or a table of all advertisers containing several fields for categorization values, (one of which could be a 'new' flag for example). You could then modify your SQL to join in the new table and add a simple 'where' clause on one of the category fields. [Table joins are generally a lot more powerful and performance friendly than zillions of 'OR' statements.] OTOH, if you are returning results for all advertisers, then a 'group by' might come closer to what you are trying to do than explicitly naming each advertiser in the 'where' section. HTH, RonL. From richard at rrcomputerconsulting.com Thu Sep 8 11:12:42 2005 From: richard at rrcomputerconsulting.com (Richard Maloley II) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:12:42 -0400 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51743F3BAA26485CB999CEA4899D4F.MAI@toidi.org> I build computers on a fairly regular basis, and it sounds to me as though you do have a dead motherboard. It was probably dead on arrival, so save yourself the hassle and RMA it. As for grounding yourself, it is recommended that you work over a grounding sheet and that you wear a grounding bracelet. However, in the 5+ years of working with computers, I've never once used a bracelet or sheet. I just touch some metal in the case before grabbing a component and I'm good to go. Never fried a chip, either. Dropping them on the other hand, that's a horse of a different color... -Richard -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Ettinger Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:41 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) Just bought: ASUS K8V-X motherboard AMD Semperon 3000+ 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. Local computer shop said it was a defective motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to do this though. Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? Not sure what to look for. Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From todd at promisingsites.com Thu Sep 8 11:13:01 2005 From: todd at promisingsites.com (Todd Richards) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:13:01 -0500 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050908044038.19016.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509081115296.SM03184@blackshirts> Did the motherboard come with the CPU in it, or did you install it? Make sure that is fully seated, as is your RAM. Todd -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Ettinger Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:41 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) Just bought: ASUS K8V-X motherboard AMD Semperon 3000+ 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I bootup. Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light is on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. Local computer shop said it was a defective motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to do this though. Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? Not sure what to look for. Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ian at zstudio.co.uk Thu Sep 8 11:18:46 2005 From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:18:46 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43206466.1000406@zstudio.co.uk> VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: >- Will I be better off storing it on a temporary text file >(sessionID.txt) saving it and reading from that file instead of >dumping a very large data into session? > Why not store it in a database, then delete the record when the transaction has succeeded? Surely given your environment this is faster than accessing the filesystem twice, and should scale better than storing it in the session. Just how big is this puppy (file) going to be? From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 11:24:04 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <200509081115296.SM03184@blackshirts> Message-ID: <20050908162404.32604.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> I installed the CPU + Ram myself, I'm sure it's in there properly. It was a perfect fit. I think either the MB really is defective, (possibly I fried it without grounding myself first), or there is a short in the case causing the mb not to bootup. I'm trying to get an RMA from Newegg. We'll see, they say to contact manufacturer, and manufacturer says to contact reseller :) --- Todd Richards wrote: > Did the motherboard come with the CPU in it, or did > you install it? Make > sure that is fully seated, as is your RAM. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf > Of Anthony Ettinger > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:41 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing > hardware) > > Just bought: > ASUS K8V-X motherboard > AMD Semperon 3000+ > 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 > eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card > > However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I > bootup. > Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light > is > on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. > > Local computer shop said it was a defective > motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about > grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to > do this though. > > Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? > Not sure what to look for. > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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So, instead >of: > >Joe Bloggs > >It would be: > >"Joe Bloggs" > >? > >Cheers >Ken > > >: -----Original Message----- >: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- >: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Mark Kamian >: Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 11:53 PM >: To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >: Subject: RE: [thelist] ASPMail error >: >: You should also consider using this, to accomodate certain characters: >: >: Mailer.AddRecipient """" & Request.Form("fullname") & """", >: Request.Form("email") >: >: >: >: >From: "Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)" >: >Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" >: >To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" >: >Subject: [thelist] ASPMail error >: >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:27:03 -0400 >: > >: >Hi, >: > >: >I am trying to add recipients to a form and I am getting errors. >: >the line is: >: >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC", "quote at fayec.com" >: > >: >And I want to have the same email mailed to the person who sent the form >: so >: >I am trying to get the email posted on the form by using: >: >Request.Form("fullname") , Request.Form("email") >: > >: >But everytime I add that to the line it gives several errors depending >on >: >what I use to join the recipients (&, ;, , ): >: > >: > >: >Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a0401' >: > >: >Expected end of statement >: > >: >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 >: > >: >Mailer.AddRecipient "FayeC" , "quote at fayec.com"; >Request.Form("fullname") >: , >: >Request.Form("email") >: >or >: > >: >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' >: > >: >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: >: >'Mailer.AddRecipient' >: > >: >/quote_sent.asp, line 6 >: > >: >or >: > >: >Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2' >: > >: >Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'Request.Form' >: > >: >/quote_sent.asp, line 7 >: > >: > >: >Any help is appreciated..what am I doing wrong???? >: > >: > >: >FayeC >: > >: > >: > >: >-- >: > >: >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >: >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >: > >: >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and >: archives >: >of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! >: >: _________________________________________________________________ >: FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >: http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >: >: -- >: >: * * Please support the community that supports you. * * >: http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >: >: For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >: and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >: Workers of the Web, evolt ! >-- > >* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > >For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >Workers of the Web, evolt ! _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From hassan at webtuitive.com Thu Sep 8 12:06:51 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:06:51 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43206FAB.9010609@webtuitive.com> VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > In a specific module of our app we need to store a large HTML file to > a log table for both reference and security reasons (so that if an > agent alters the output somehow we have the orignal copy in hand). How often is this referenced, and in what way? Where and how are you testing whether the "output" is altered? In the absence of knowing the actual data flow, my gut feeling is to store it in the DB -- which gets done eventually, anyway -- and retrieve as necessary. FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From escalonab at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 13:16:57 2005 From: escalonab at gmail.com (Bernardo Escalona-Espinosa) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:16:57 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Change mySql field size In-Reply-To: <431fd748.75ef4d22.7c4d.19e1SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <431fd748.75ef4d22.7c4d.19e1SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12d1e091050908111632e1b85a@mail.gmail.com> > > If the field is already of type TEXT, you don't need to change it. TEXT > fields can store up to 64kB of text. You do not need to specify a size > with them. > > The only text types that take a size are the VARCHAR and CHAR types, > which up to 5.0.3, could hold up to 255 characters, but now can store up > to 65535 bytes worth. > > > 2) Will the existing contents of these fields be affected? My guess is > > probably not, but I just want to make sure. > > It won't be affected. > > Cool, thanx for the info. I hadn't realised/remembered that you don't need to specify a size in TEXT fields. Now I realised that the limiting to 300 chars was taking place in my javascript and then also in my php, but never in my database. Thanx again. Berns -- ___________________________________________ Bernardo Escalona Espinosa office: [52 55] 56 22 85 23 fax: [52 55] 56 22 88 77 home: [52 55] 55 30 13 96 cel: 55 18 56 74 73 http://www.bernsonline.com/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Sep 8 13:19:45 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:19:45 -0700 Subject: [thelist] AOL Email Links Message-ID: <432080C1.5010703@neptunewebworks.com> What's the story on AOL email links these days? Is it still true that AOL email clients are still whacked out, and need to have links formatted as HTML within a text/plain message body? Google is giving me hundreds of really old tutorials/tips on the subject. I don't dare install AOL on my machine to try it out - last time I did that, they kept billing me even after I called to cancel the trial (but that's another subject entirely). -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From hpinson at indepthl.com Thu Sep 8 13:38:42 2005 From: hpinson at indepthl.com (hpinson at indepthl.com) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:38:42 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing In-Reply-To: <20050811153721.3EBA61980D6@indepthl.com> Message-ID: <432030D2.18136.1F1C56C3@localhost> Hello. I am having difficulty figuring out how to alias domain names under IIS 6. For example, we have a site, accessible via browser at: http://www.mysite.com I need it also to be accessible under the domain alias: http://mysite.com But I do not know how to configure this alias in IIS. This is relatively easy to do in Apache, so there must be a way. Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? -- Harlow Pinson Indepth Learning Email: hpinson at indepthl.com Phone: 505 994-2135 Fax: 505 994-3603 From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Sep 8 13:56:55 2005 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:56:55 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing Message-ID: If I understand you question correctly, that is a function of DNS, not of the web server. From: hpinson at indepthl.com Hello. I am having difficulty figuring out how to alias domain names under IIS 6. For example, we have a site, accessible via browser at: http://www.mysite.com I need it also to be accessible under the domain alias: http://mysite.com But I do not know how to configure this alias in IIS. This is relatively easy to do in Apache, so there must be a way. Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? -- Harlow Pinson Indepth Learning Email: hpinson at indepthl.com Phone: 505 994-2135 Fax: 505 994-3603 From lists at semioticpixels.com Thu Sep 8 14:13:14 2005 From: lists at semioticpixels.com (Chris Hardy) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:13:14 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Survey Software In-Reply-To: <43205147.9070300@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <000001c5b4a9$5d95d3a0$6b01a8c0@bluedew> I've used phpEsp in the past and been pleased with it. The last time I installed it, there wasn't good separation of presentation from functionality and it was a PITA to modify the ui. However, it looks like some work has gone into the gui and I haven't checked out the most recent version. It's a quick install. http://phpesp.sourceforge.net/ hth -chris From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Sep 8 14:24:08 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:24:08 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing Message-ID: > For example, we have a site, accessible via browser at: > > http://www.mysite.com > > I need it also to be accessible under the domain alias: > > http://mysite.com I use 5, not 6, but here's how it's done in IIS5: Open Internet Services Manager Select the website Click the 'Properties' button (in IIS5 it's the little hand pointing to a document) You should be on the 'Web Site' tab. Click the 'Advanced' button in the 'Web Site Identification' section at the top. Click the 'Add' button in the top box, 'Multiple identities for this Web Site' Choose (or not) the IP address and enter the TCP port (80, I hope :) and then put whatever you want in the 'Host Header Name' field, as in 'mysite.com' or 'bob.mysite.com' or, if you have two domain names and you want 'em both to point to the same site, you could enter all these: mysite.com www.mysite.com thatsite.com www.thatsite.com That should provide endless happiness. joel From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 14:27:39 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: <43206FAB.9010609@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <20050908192739.4009.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, why not use a BLOB? --- Hassan Schroeder wrote: > VOLKAN ??Z??EL??K wrote: > > > In a specific module of our app we need to store a > large HTML file to > > a log table for both reference and security > reasons (so that if an > > agent alters the output somehow we have the > orignal copy in hand). > > How often is this referenced, and in what way? > > Where and how are you testing whether the "output" > is altered? > > In the absence of knowing the actual data flow, my > gut feeling is > to store it in the DB -- which gets done eventually, > anyway -- and > retrieve as necessary. > > FWIW, > -- > Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- > hassan at webtuitive.com > Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === > http://webtuitive.com > > dream. code. > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From amy at rocky-hills.com Thu Sep 8 14:29:09 2005 From: amy at rocky-hills.com (Amy Johnson) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:29:09 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Problems with CSS positioning Message-ID: <000901c5b4ab$960192e0$0202a8c0@amy> I've been working on this for days and am finally throwing up my hands. What I want is for my 2 column page to adjust to variable height with both columns being the same height. I also have a background image I have to place in one of the columns and tried floating it and relative positioning but was only able to get it to work with absolute positioning. And finally I have used old fashion tables to do the content because I don't know how I would approach that design using CSS. Anyway, the page is a disaster on Mac IE 5.2 and Linux Konqueror 3.0.5. I read that Macs have problems with block elements (i.e. tables) inheriting relative positioning. Does anyone have any ideas at all about how to make this work? Here's the page: http://www.rocky-hills.com/sample/mfh/index.html Here's the CSS http://www.rocky-hills.com/sample/mfh/style.css Here's the BrowserCam views which show how it looks on various browsers: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=189472 I have validated the HTML and the CSS. Thanks so much for any help. Amy From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 14:45:25 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050908194525.61678.qmail@web51113.mail.yahoo.com> I use apache (http://httpd.apache.org/) What most people forget is that they need an alias in the DNS server too, so it will forward requests for www.foo.com and foo.com to your ip. Then the web server, just needs an alias in the main configuration for that domain: with apache it looks like this: ServerName foo.com ServerRoot /var/www/foo.com/htdocs ... ServerAlias www.foo.com --- "Canfield, Joel" wrote: > > For example, we have a site, accessible via > browser at: > > > > http://www.mysite.com > > > > I need it also to be accessible under the domain > alias: > > > > http://mysite.com > > I use 5, not 6, but here's how it's done in IIS5: > > Open Internet Services Manager > Select the website > Click the 'Properties' button (in IIS5 it's the > little hand pointing to > a document) > You should be on the 'Web Site' tab. Click the > 'Advanced' button in the > 'Web Site Identification' section at the top. > Click the 'Add' button in the top box, 'Multiple > identities for this Web > Site' > Choose (or not) the IP address and enter the TCP > port (80, I hope :) and > then put whatever you want in the 'Host Header Name' > field, as in > 'mysite.com' or 'bob.mysite.com' or, if you have two > domain names and > you want 'em both to point to the same site, you > could enter all these: > > mysite.com > www.mysite.com > thatsite.com > www.thatsite.com > > That should provide endless happiness. > > joel > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 15:02:57 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] AOL Email Links In-Reply-To: <432080C1.5010703@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <20050908200257.87134.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> I remember back when I did html emails in 1999, i had to write a subroutine in the main program, that said "if aol { send plain-text }" sad, but I think they've gotten around it these days. Here's how I send multipart/alternative emails now: http://stuff.chovy.com/perl/Newsletter.pm --- Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > What's the story on AOL email links these days? Is > it still true that > AOL email clients are still whacked out, and need to > have links > formatted as HTML within a text/plain message body? > Google is giving me > hundreds of really old tutorials/tips on the > subject. I don't dare > install AOL on my machine to try it out - last time > I did that, they > kept billing me even after I called to cancel the > trial (but that's > another subject entirely). > -- > Max Schwanekamp > http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 15:48:02 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] AOL Email Links In-Reply-To: <20050908200257.87134.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050908204802.75491.qmail@web51113.mail.yahoo.com> Basically, this is how I compose the body: Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="$boundary"\n Mime-version: 1.0\n --$boundary\n Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"\n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7-bit\n\n $text\n\n --$boundary\n Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"\n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7-bit\n\n $html\n\n --$boundary--\n --- Anthony Ettinger wrote: > I remember back when I did html emails in 1999, i > had > to write a subroutine in the main program, that said > "if aol { send plain-text }" > > sad, but I think they've gotten around it these > days. > > Here's how I send multipart/alternative emails now: > > http://stuff.chovy.com/perl/Newsletter.pm > > > > --- Maximillian Schwanekamp > wrote: > > > What's the story on AOL email links these days? > Is > > it still true that > > AOL email clients are still whacked out, and need > to > > have links > > formatted as HTML within a text/plain message > body? > > Google is giving me > > hundreds of really old tutorials/tips on the > > subject. I don't dare > > install AOL on my machine to try it out - last > time > > I did that, they > > kept billing me even after I called to cancel the > > trial (but that's > > another subject entirely). > > -- > > Max Schwanekamp > > http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ > > > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports > you. > > * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the > Tip > > Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: > > http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 16:00:31 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:00:31 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: <43206466.1000406@zstudio.co.uk> References: <43206466.1000406@zstudio.co.uk> Message-ID: >Why not store it in a database, then delete the record when the >transaction has succeeded? Surely given your environment this is faster >than accessing the filesystem twice, and should scale better than >storing it in the session. This may be an option too. It should be Typically in the form: UID (autoincrement) | SessionID(varchar-primary) | Actual Data(BLOB or Text whatever) i guess. Let me try to explain the file a bit more. The file looks like. ... some css for @media print and @media screen. ...

heading of section 1 which is gathered dynamically

...

heading of section two

some static content here ... some dynamic content from db
...
... lots of numbers and data rendered within a
dynamic data
...yet another table notes, disclaimers and references retrieved from db. I cannot give very much detail due to confidentiality issues. The final html is a legally approved copy (people pay money for it) and we have to store it "as it is" somewhere (it's nonsense but "as it is" means including the css and javascript references in the file as well :) ). > > Just how big is this puppy (file) going to be? > A few hundered KB's, at most one megabyte I hope. We have other sorts of files which are 10-50KB size (report files) and we use the gzip approach with them. Though those files are not very frequently generated and thus do not bring an overhead. Plus, they are generally created via a scheduled task which execute from midnight to early morning. From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 16:06:16 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:06:16 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: References: <43206466.1000406@zstudio.co.uk> Message-ID: So the consensus I get from this discussion is that storing it in the DB is far better than storing it in session and it is probably better than storing it in the file system. I think we shall try storing it in the db as a blob type. If we fail for some reason, or observe a performance degredation, altering the code so that it stores the data in FS will not be a very big issue. How the data can be changed/damaged/altered by people is yet another story. You cannot believe how imaginative a nasty client/agent can be :) Cheers and Thanks for all your comments. Volkan. On 9/9/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: > >Why not store it in a database, then delete the record when the > >transaction has succeeded? Surely given your environment this is faster > >than accessing the filesystem twice, and should scale better than > >storing it in the session. > > This may be an option too. > > It should be Typically in the form: > > UID (autoincrement) | SessionID(varchar-primary) | Actual > Data(BLOB or Text whatever) > > i guess. > > Let me try to explain the file a bit more. > > The file looks like. > > > ... > some css for @media print and @media screen. > ... >

heading of section 1 which is gathered dynamically

> ... >

heading of section two

>
some static content here ... some dynamic content from db
...
> > > ... lots of numbers and data rendered within a >
dynamic data
> > ...yet another table > notes, disclaimers and references retrieved from db. > > > > I cannot give very much detail due to confidentiality issues. > > The final html is a legally approved copy (people pay money for it) > and we have to store it "as it is" somewhere (it's nonsense but "as it > is" means including the css and javascript references in the file as > well :) ). > > > > > Just how big is this puppy (file) going to be? > > > > A few hundered KB's, at most one megabyte I hope. > > We have other sorts of files which are 10-50KB size (report files) and > we use the gzip approach with them. Though those files are not very > frequently generated and thus do not bring an overhead. Plus, they are > generally created via a scheduled task which execute from midnight to > early morning. > From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Sep 8 16:24:54 2005 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:24:54 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Domain Name Aliasing Message-ID: > What most people forget is that they need an alias in > the DNS server too, so it will forward requests for > www.foo.com and foo.com to your ip. d'oh. Of course it does. I do that. No, really, I do. I just don't tell anyone. joel From webguync at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 17:05:43 2005 From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:05:43 -0400 Subject: [thelist] How to hide blocks of code on a page from being picked up by the search engines - Can it be done? Message-ID: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I was asked if this could be done and how and I am not sure. If you want to hide a particular block of content within a two column layout, say for instance within a div, from the search engines picking this up, can it be done and how? I know with includes, the code gets displayed when you view source, so I guess the SE would pick that up? (include content). How bout' Iframes, does that get picked up? The only thinkg I have ever done to exclude content from being picked up by the search engines is to alter the meta tags, but that was for the whole page, and not just a particular block of content. Any insight into this is greatly appreciative! -- ::Bruce Gilbert- www.inspired-evolution.com:: From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Sep 8 17:10:21 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:10:21 -0700 Subject: [thelist] AOL Email Links In-Reply-To: <20050908200257.87134.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050908200257.87134.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4320B6CD.9020808@neptunewebworks.com> Anthony Ettinger wrote: > I remember back when I did html emails in 1999, i had > to write a subroutine in the main program, that said > "if aol { send plain-text }" Yeah, I send multipart-alternative by default as a general rule as well, but that's not really the issue. In times not too long ago, and perhaps still, the AOL email client was set to text-only, but one could make links by using HTML in an otherwise text/plain message[0]. It was/is irritating, because true plain-text clients would then see the HTML cruft. I have a hard time believing AOL isn't just allowing pure HTML email by now, but I have no evidence one way or the other. Does anyone have a recent experience or resource? (searching aol.com is not helping either) [0] http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/web1/aol_users_email_links.htm -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Sep 8 18:04:03 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:04:03 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How to hide blocks of code on a page from being picked up by the search engines - Can it be done? In-Reply-To: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> References: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4320C363.3090006@neptunewebworks.com> Bruce Gilbert wrote: > I was asked if this could be done and how and I am not sure. If you want to > hide a particular block of content within a two column layout, say for > instance within a div, from the search engines picking this up, can it be > done and how? Probably your best bet would be clientside javascript to insert your content, using the same tactics people use to hide email addresses from spambots (hex encoding, etc). Make it an external js file. Ultimately no content you display on the page is going to be 100% hidden from a search engine unless you require some sort of authentication, but AFAIK all engines ignore the content of external js files. Why would you want to *hide* your content anyway? -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Thu Sep 8 18:13:27 2005 From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:13:27 +1200 Subject: [thelist] How to hide blocks of code on a page from being picked upby the search engines - Can it be done? Message-ID: This is an odd question - why would you want something publicly available on the web but not picked up by search engines? Bear in mind that text that is linked to by your site will be picked up by search engines . Even if it's an image with text as the content, the SE's will pick it up and index it. They won't know what the text is, but it'll still be available in SE image searches. Maybe more info from you can lead to s solution. Paul From misterhaan at track7.org Thu Sep 8 18:43:41 2005 From: misterhaan at track7.org (misterhaan) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:43:41 -0500 Subject: [thelist] How to hide blocks of code on a page from being picked up by the search engines - Can it be done? In-Reply-To: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> References: <463b785d05090815059c56745@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4320CCAD.3010607@track7.org> Bruce Gilbert wrote: >I know with includes, the code gets displayed when you view source, so I guess the SE would pick that up? (include content). > Yes, it would see that. >How bout' Iframes, does that get picked up? > Iframe means your displaying a different page inline, so you could put that in a separate directory and then use robots.txt to ask SE spiders to not look at it. If you don't do the robots.txt portion, it's likely that spiders will follow the link to the page displayed in the iframe. From rcraw0629 at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 21:59:47 2005 From: rcraw0629 at gmail.com (Robert Crawford) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:59:47 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Tip: Outlook Express Email Backup Message-ID: <4320FAA3.60904@gmail.com> Outlook Express Account Backup Program http://www.oehelp.com/oebackup/default.aspx From sam at sam-i-am.com Thu Sep 8 23:06:50 2005 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam Foster) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:06:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] javascript default event handlers, default events. [TIP] In-Reply-To: References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416A94@irm80489> Message-ID: <43210A5A.8060501@sam-i-am.com> Wow, interesting discussion. I'm a card-carrying behavior layer/unobtrusive javascript proponent, but I think some great points were made in both directions. Its true that troubleshooting javascript problems when implemented this way is made more difficult when there's no explicit event handler in the markup to provide a starting point or smoking gun. There can be something like strange magic from afar - doing a view-source might not be enlightening - you may be obliged to actually dig into the code and follow it through with a debugger... Especially if the concept is new to you. The de-coupling of code/behavior from markup is more effective when you use something like document.getElementsBySelector. (http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/03/25/getElementsBySelector) .. this frees you from document.getElementById and needing a particular id to magically make everything work. Like anything, there are good and bad ways to do it though. I'd recommend distinguishing between class attribute values that are used to to apply style, and those used to apply behavior. Its should be clear what is being triggered. I'm having some success with using a bvr- prefix to any classes that trigger behavior, and never using those classes in a stylesheet. Its just convention, but a good one IMO. One more thing about inline function calls. I think the original example - onsubmit="return validate(this)" - is indeed pretty well separated, and
isnt any great improvement. Where you do see an improvement is where the behavior is more complex, where event handlers need to be attached to many elements. One classic example might be table row highlights - all I need is there is a trigger in the element, or tbody and my script will go through and attach mouseover/out event handlers to each row programatically. Lots easier than writing and maintaining the event handlers as attributes on each row or cell. Or, frequently, if the markup is generated by some serverside process I dont own, modifying it might be entirely out of the question anyhow. Devils advocate: if I'm trying to update the look and feel here, I may have to dig into the javascript to find out what css class is being appended to effect the row highlight. I'm a advocate of custom attributes for this kind of thing:
or some such. I think this technique is most useful when you are trying to patch in simple behavior like a row highlight, tooltip, or deferred content via ajax - where there aren't a lot of variables and behavior is easily defined. If you can say "I want this element to behave like one of these..." then its a good candidate. All that said, if it aint broke dont fix it. I've adopted these techniques out of necessity - they solve a problem for me. If you don't have any problem that benefits from this technique then walk on by. Some good links: Javascript Triggers http://www.alistapart.com/articles/scripttriggers/ Behavior - css selectors to select and apply js. http://www.ripcord.co.nz/behaviour/ Dave Herman's behavior.js http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dherman/javascript/behavior/ document.getElementsBySelector http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/03/25/getElementsBySelector also see Michael Schuerig's JavaScript for improvements to the above. http://www.schuerig.de/michael/javascript/ Sam >>If I change it to do the javascript: document.myForm.onsubmit = >>myFormValidation, have I separated behaviour from markup? Not as much - I >>have an explicit markup reference to "myForm" to which I am programmatically >> >> > >That is not a markup reference. It has nothing to do with markup. > > From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 00:54:28 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:54:28 -0400 Subject: [thelist] javascript default event handlers, default events. [TIP] In-Reply-To: <43210A5A.8060501@sam-i-am.com> References: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416A94@irm80489> <43210A5A.8060501@sam-i-am.com> Message-ID: <43212394.9020608@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sam, Sam Foster wrote: > markup to provide a starting point or smoking gun. There can be > something like strange magic from afar - doing a view-source might not > be enlightening - you may be obliged to actually dig into the code and > follow it through with a debugger... Especially if the concept is new to > you. You can't do a view-source to debug PHP or Java code, either. I understand where people are coming from here, but the unobtrusive idea is a paradigm shift, and it should be expected that debugging (and other) methods should also have to shift. > The de-coupling of code/behavior from markup is more effective when you > use something like document.getElementsBySelector. > (http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/03/25/getElementsBySelector) .. > this frees you from document.getElementById and needing a particular id > to magically make everything work. See also cssQuery: http://dean.edwards.name/my/cssQuery/ Thank the lord for getElementsByTagName, eh? > Like anything, there are good and bad ways to do it though. I'd > recommend distinguishing between class attribute values that are used to > to apply style, and those used to apply behavior. Its should be clear > what is being triggered. I'm having some success with using a bvr- > prefix to any classes that trigger behavior, and never using those > classes in a stylesheet. Its just convention, but a good one IMO. Do you apply a namespace to divs you're going to use for behavior and those you're going to use for presentation? If not, then why would you do it for class names? > One more thing about inline function calls. I think the original > example - onsubmit="return validate(this)" - is indeed pretty well > separated, and isnt any great improvement. That's because your'e essentially still defining behavior in the markup. The idea is to *classify* your forms with class. Your markup shouldn't be saying "Hey, client-side script, validate me." You might not even need to use class, if you want it to apply to all form elements. > each row or cell. Or, frequently, if the markup is generated by some > serverside process I dont own, modifying it might be entirely out of the > question anyhow. Further, why would you *want* to have to modify your server-side script in order to apply client-side behavior? > Devils advocate: if I'm trying to update the look and feel here, I may > have to dig into the javascript to find out what css class is being > appended to effect the row highlight. I'm a advocate of custom > attributes for this kind of thing:
rowhighlightclass="over"> or some such. Your markup will be invalid unless you use a custom dtd. Also, you are essentially reintroducing both presentation and behavior into the markup. I don't really see the point of this at all.
then maybe your rule is that all report data should have striped rows. This would be defined in your stylesheet. And maybe all results tables should have your mouseover effect. This would be defined in your javascript file. But neither is indicated in the markup, because the markup has to do with neither. Btw, you're in the acknowledgments of a Wrox LAMP book that's in-press. Thanks again for hashing out that AJAX stuff with me on this list a few months ago. - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDISOUAQ0d4HGyPE8RAsRUAJ0aPBcO6sfYvGMMkA2JwPSt/E+gkgCfZ6k9 EShU+On26Spz/YXcCyI83m0= =IrJ4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From amy at rocky-hills.com Fri Sep 9 01:36:16 2005 From: amy at rocky-hills.com (Amy Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:36:16 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Problems with CSS positioning In-Reply-To: <000901c5b4ab$960192e0$0202a8c0@amy> Message-ID: <003601c5b508$c995a300$0202a8c0@amy> Hi folks - if anyone's interested I solved most of my problems using a wonderful article http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/. Thanks, Amy From matthias at die-legendaeren.de Fri Sep 9 02:06:20 2005 From: matthias at die-legendaeren.de (Matthias Willerich) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:06:20 +0100 Subject: [thelist] RE: Problems with CSS positioning In-Reply-To: <0MKqpg-1EDSsy48D8-0000Ja@mxeu5.kundenserver.de> Message-ID: Amy, Did you try centering your stuff with margin-auto instead of left:50%-and half the width? http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/center.html I remember that I had massive problems with the approach you're using on a macIE. Maybe that was down to me not understanding the limitations, but it broke it completely. Also, you might want to revise the buttons on the left-hand navi, they do some funny re-appearing thing on rollover in IE. Looking at your setup, it seems you have a lot of positioning going on, when you could probably float most things. And, with this great clearfix method: http://positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html it's really easy to handle. And, if I may throw in my two cents, just drop macIE from your list of browsers. It's so old, and needs a lot of time fixing css. I think, if MS doesn't believe in it any more, and that's already 2 years ago, why the hassle? Of course, it's nice if it works, but please no sleepless nights because of that 0.6% of people not using safari or some mozilla instead. That was probably either not what you asked for or more than that, but I hope it helps. Matthias From info at internetvraagbaak.nl Fri Sep 9 02:25:52 2005 From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Info@internetvraagbaak.nl) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:25:52 +0200 Subject: [thelist] php compiler for .net framework Message-ID: <002c01c5b50f$b59a4390$0201a8c0@cartesiapvek83> Dear List members, I know for some this might be a matter of disgracing a holy entity but for those who are interested: http://www.php-compiler.net/ Some Features headers: This "application", right now only on IIS but soon i think on Apache too, extends the power of .NET with PHP5. Enables creation of ASP.NET applications made of existing PHP scripts Compiles PHP scripts to achieve a significant speed-up of application execution Provides .NET application developers with all the PHP libraries Integrates the PHP language into Microsoft Visual Studio .NET ... Jeroen ... From lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com Fri Sep 9 03:25:00 2005 From: lee.kowalkowski at hmrcaspire.com (Kowalkowski, Lee (ASPIRE)) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:25:00 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Redrawing issues of a dynamic table effect in Fx an d Op Message-ID: <76B1640C9BB1D546BA798A2C95E31554416AC6@irm80489> > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Heilmann [mailto:codepo8 at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:56 PM > > Ah wicked. Now Opera? Hmm, can't see any issues with the colspan="2" removed, what version are you using? I'm pretty out-of-date with 7.11. -LK =========================================================== Our e-mail domain has now changed from iraspire.com to hmrcaspire.com. Please update your address books. =========================================================== From Ron.Luther at hp.com Fri Sep 9 07:47:27 2005 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:47:27 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76F58@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK better described his ... >>Passing a very large data session-wide. ... issue: Hi Volkan! Storing the individual customer reports in the session object? Why not batch the reports to a secure directory structure and then use the session object to maintain authentication, (after login), for access to the appropriate file(s) instead? I guess I'm not seeing the reason for storing the data itself in the session object. What purpose does that have? [If you charge 'per view', then surely you could run your billing off the log files.] Ummm ... Just for the record, there are prepackaged report writer solutions that handle things like this. IIRC one of the major US stock exchanges, (NYSE?, AMEX?), used to use a package called Brio to {batch} create thousands of web accessible client reports on a daily basis. [And I kinda doubt your security (no pun intended) / legal requirements are stricter than theirs.] HTH, RonL. From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Fri Sep 9 09:46:15 2005 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:46:15 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Aboslute Positioning Help Needed Message-ID: <4321A037.40209@craftedsolutions.com> I have been trying to use absolute positioning to override the table structure of a page, but for some reason I cannot get things to display properly in IE or Opera that work fine in FF. For example, on this page, http://64.182.17.230/inventory.html, in FF the text below the pictures covers the entire window, while in IE/O it only covers a portion. I have tried adding min-width to no avail and adding width:100% causes havoc in FF. I know this whole thing is a bit of a kludge, but I am relatively new to positioning and I did not want to rebuild the whole page when I thought I could use positioning as a quick solution. Thanks, Norman -- --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:14:02 2005 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:14:02 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Passing a very large data session-wide. In-Reply-To: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76F58@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76F58@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: > > Storing the individual customer reports in the session object? > > Why not batch the reports to a secure directory structure > and then use the session object to maintain authentication, > (after login), for access to the appropriate file(s) instead? > > I guess I'm not seeing the reason for storing the data itself > in the session object. What purpose does that have? It is not essentially be stored in the session. Some more information may be useful. 1. The client/agent loads an html file from server in preview mode (with preview watermarks on it). 2. Then he presses a button on the GUI (print) which sends the content on the screen to the printer. 3. Then we mark the file as "printed" in db. Which removes some (but not all) modification rights from the client. That is, he can change/update certain fields, append some extra stuff to the file which can only be appended if it passes certain server-side + administrative validation and marked as "ready to be printed". The "ready to be printed" copy, the copy the client prints and the one we store in db for reference and logging have to be identical. And that's not actually a report, it's rather some sort of a legal agreement/transaction which allows certain benefits given that the client's client pays some money to the client (not very explanatory huh? :) ). In short parts of the final copy cannot be altered and to validate it in case a conflict occurs we store an identical copy of each printed valuable paper on the DB as well. > > [If you charge 'per view', then surely you could run your billing > off the log files.] > So what is valuable is the printed and stamped paper (we cannot charge per log files) And we do not charge on a "per view" basis. Users are free to view the preview copy. But when they print it, they legally accept that what they print is a candidate to be the final version. > > > Ummm ... Just for the record, there are prepackaged report > writer solutions that handle things like this. > > IIRC one of the major US stock exchanges, (NYSE?, AMEX?), used > to use a package called Brio to {batch} create thousands of web > accessible client reports on a daily basis. [And I kinda doubt > your security (no pun intended) / legal requirements are stricter > than theirs.] For the real reporting stuff (that we do on weekly and monthly basis) we plan to purchase a reporting package when the project settles down. Currently, our custom reporting application is good enough, since reports are taken by only at most 30-50 managerial/administrative personell which have special access rights. Ordinary agents are not allowed to take reports. Plus reports do not count as money (provided that they are not sold to competing firms :) ) Hope this is somewhat clearer. And thank you Ron for your recommendation. I'll consider the secure directory structure / file server as well. But it's early for a reporting package (at least the top-level management thinks so). Cheers, Volkan. From richard at rrcomputerconsulting.com Fri Sep 9 11:01:39 2005 From: richard at rrcomputerconsulting.com (Richard Maloley II) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:01:39 -0400 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050908162404.32604.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You should be able to just RMA it to the manufacturer. Find an email address or a phone number preferably and tell them the story and this is what you want them to do for you. Be assertive but not an asshole and they usually comply. Cheers! -Richard -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Ettinger Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:24 PM To: todd at promisingsites.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) I installed the CPU + Ram myself, I'm sure it's in there properly. It was a perfect fit. I think either the MB really is defective, (possibly I fried it without grounding myself first), or there is a short in the case causing the mb not to bootup. I'm trying to get an RMA from Newegg. We'll see, they say to contact manufacturer, and manufacturer says to contact reseller :) --- Todd Richards wrote: > Did the motherboard come with the CPU in it, or did > you install it? Make > sure that is fully seated, as is your RAM. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf > Of Anthony Ettinger > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:41 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing > hardware) > > Just bought: > ASUS K8V-X motherboard > AMD Semperon 3000+ > 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 > eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card > > However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I > bootup. > Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light > is > on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. > > Local computer shop said it was a defective > motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read about > grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how to > do this though. > > Any ideas on looking for shorts on the motherboard? > Not sure what to look for. > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From oktellme at earthlink.net Fri Sep 9 11:18:54 2005 From: oktellme at earthlink.net (Lightning) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:18:54 -0400 Subject: [thelist] phishing and urls References: <43206466.1000406@zstudio.co.uk> Message-ID: <003e01c5b55a$2cd57d40$330b2918@cucciwb.int> This morning I got a phishing email supposedly from amazon.com. I knew it was phishing, of course, because it had that famous line "your account will close within 24 hours unless you click on his link and verify your information". What scared me particularly on this phish was this - I clicked on the link (I often check to see where a phisher wants to take me, and the url given was definately an amazon.com address! (Many phishers will lead you to a misspelled address, or an address with an alien header such as www.amazzon.com or www.verification.amazon.com.) But, no, this really was the amazon site. The email also attempted to put amazon.com cookies on my harddrive. What scared me even more was I then wrote a letter to amazon alerting them of the email, and found my email program no longer worked. So... did this phisher ALSO put a virus, or change a setting on my email? I immediately restored my computer to an earlier point. My email is working fine now, and the letter went off to amazon. They sent back a letter saying that phishers CAN take you to one site while displaying that you are at another url!! ok, the above is the story. Below are my questions: 1. HOW can a page make the url be different from the url you are visiting? 2. How can an email use cookies? 3. I was taught that a site can only create and read cookies that match the domain name they come from. Can someone please set me straight on the facts about cookies? 4. I thought you would be safe from viruses and unautthorized changes to your system if you don't click on any attachments. How does an email transfer a virus or a command if you don't click on an attachment? What are the new rules for keeping your computer safe? thanks for any explaination, or links to appropriate explainattions. Laura From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 11:33:39 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050909163339.50170.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah. I got an RMA from newegg. Now I'm off to read about this "grounding" issue. I still don't get it after talking to some guys inline at the computer store last night. The tech said the computer has to be touching metal. I said, well my apartment is rug not metal floor? He said it won't work unless the computer is touching metal. I started thinking, wtf - so doesn't that metal have to be touching other metal? I still don't get this. 1 guy said, just keep your finger on the power supply the whole time you're working on the computer that'll keep you grounded. Uh...the power supply is usually the first thing to be removed when I work on the computer. One guy metnioned a bracelet i can wear for grounding (no friggin' idea how this makes any sense), but they were out of stock none-the-less. It's just a matter of time before someone tells me I have to get extra long battery cables and hook one end up to my nipple, and the other end to the microwave, while wearing an aluminum mixing bowl on my head - otherwise i could damage the motherboard. --- Richard Maloley II wrote: > You should be able to just RMA it to the > manufacturer. Find an email address > or a phone number preferably and tell them the story > and this is what you > want them to do for you. Be assertive but not an > asshole and they usually > comply. > > Cheers! > > -Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf > Of Anthony Ettinger > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:24 PM > To: todd at promisingsites.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] grounding + shorts > (installing hardware) > > I installed the CPU + Ram myself, I'm sure it's in > there properly. It was a perfect fit. > > I think either the MB really is defective, (possibly > I > fried it without grounding myself first), or there > is > a short in the case causing the mb not to bootup. > > I'm trying to get an RMA from Newegg. We'll see, > they > say to contact manufacturer, and manufacturer says > to > contact reseller :) > > > > --- Todd Richards wrote: > > > Did the motherboard come with the CPU in it, or > did > > you install it? Make > > sure that is fully seated, as is your RAM. > > > > Todd > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf > > Of Anthony Ettinger > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:41 PM > > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing > > hardware) > > > > Just bought: > > ASUS K8V-X motherboard > > AMD Semperon 3000+ > > 1 Gig Corsair Ram (pc3200) 512mbx2 > > eVGA nVidia FX5200 128Mb Video Card > > > > However, I'm not getting a "post beep" when I > > bootup. > > Fans and drives are powered, and motherboard light > > is > > on, but no video signal, and no post beeps. > > > > Local computer shop said it was a defective > > motherboard (worked with new MB). I also read > about > > grounding myself may be the problem, not sure how > to > > do this though. > > > > Any ideas on looking for shorts on the > motherboard? > > Not sure what to look for. > > > > > > Anthony Ettinger > > ph: (408) 656-2473 > > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports > you. > > * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the > Tip > > Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: > > http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports > you. > > * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the > Tip > > Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: > > http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > > Anthony Ettinger > ph: (408) 656-2473 > blog: http://www.chovy.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 11:52:28 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] phishing and urls In-Reply-To: <003e01c5b55a$2cd57d40$330b2918@cucciwb.int> Message-ID: <20050909165228.39189.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> 1) Install the Netcraft toolbar, it will block reported phishing scams (and allows you to report them as well). http://toolbar.netcraft.com 2) They could set cookies by loading an invisible image in the email's html You are correct in that they are NOT able to set an amazon.com cookie from outside their domain. Cookies are restricted to being set from the domain that the request is coming from (and it's subdomains) *domain.com 3) As for the url being amazon.com, they are probably utilizing an open redirect on amazon.com's server. I've seen this in a few phishing scams already. For example, amazon.com handles outside links like this: wrote: > This morning I got a phishing email supposedly from > amazon.com. > > I knew it was phishing, of course, because it had > that famous line "your > account will close within 24 hours unless you click > on his link and verify > your information". > > What scared me particularly on this phish was this - > I clicked on the link > (I often check to see where a phisher wants to take > me, and the url given > was definately an amazon.com address! (Many phishers > will lead you to a > misspelled address, or an address with an alien > header such as > www.amazzon.com or www.verification.amazon.com.) > But, no, this really was > the amazon site. The email also attempted to put > amazon.com cookies on my > harddrive. > > What scared me even more was I then wrote a letter > to amazon alerting them > of the email, and found my email program no longer > worked. So... did this > phisher ALSO put a virus, or change a setting on my > email? > > I immediately restored my computer to an earlier > point. My email is working > fine now, and the letter went off to amazon. They > sent back a letter saying > that phishers CAN take you to one site while > displaying that you are at > another url!! > > ok, the above is the story. Below are my questions: > > 1. HOW can a page make the url be different from the > url you are visiting? > 2. How can an email use cookies? > 3. I was taught that a site can only create and read > cookies that match the > domain name they come from. Can someone please set > me straight on the facts > about cookies? > 4. I thought you would be safe from viruses and > unautthorized changes to > your system if you don't click on any attachments. > How does an email > transfer a virus or a command if you don't click on > an attachment? What are > the new rules for keeping your computer safe? > > thanks for any explaination, or links to appropriate > explainattions. > > Laura > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From akamm at demicooper.com Fri Sep 9 11:59:33 2005 From: akamm at demicooper.com (Andrew Kamm) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:59:33 -0500 Subject: [thelist] MySQL "OR" In-Reply-To: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC76F4C@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the responses -- just wanted to follow up. Using the "IN" operator worked great for the current setup. I knew looping an OR that long seemed a little unnecessary (and I was obviously unfamiliar with IN!). I'm also going to attempt to rework a table solution as RonL suggested. It's part of a searching function that is creating some temporary tables anyhow, so that may fit in quite well. thanks! -- Andrew Kamm On 9/8/05 9:53 AM, "Luther, Ron" wrote: > Andrew Kamm asked about long "OR" SQL: > >>> Is it proper to execute a rather long SQL query in MySQL? >>> I'm not aware of a reason this wouldn't work (unless there >>> is simply a limit on the length of a queries), but I'm not >>> sure if it's bad form or if the DB would respond poorly. > > > Hi Andrew, > > > Yeah you can execute a "long" query, and sometimes you need to. > >> From a cursory glance, however, it looks like you are looking > to return results either for 'new' advertisers, or a group of > advertisers having some property in common, (same industry or > something for example). > > If that is the case, then I believe you would get better > performance if you created a separate table of 'new' advertisers > or a table of all advertisers containing several fields for > categorization values, (one of which could be a 'new' flag for > example). You could then modify your SQL to join in the new > table and add a simple 'where' clause on one of the category > fields. > > [Table joins are generally a lot more powerful and performance > friendly than zillions of 'OR' statements.] > > > OTOH, if you are returning results for all advertisers, then a > 'group by' might come closer to what you are trying to do than > explicitly naming each advertiser in the 'where' section. > > > HTH, > > RonL. > -- > From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Fri Sep 9 12:08:42 2005 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:08:42 -0400 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050909163339.50170.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050909163339.50170.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4321C19A.8090308@craftedsolutions.com> The first thing you have to understand about electricity is that charges are all relative. For example, you don't feel anything while walking across a carpet, but when you get to a doorknob that has a different electrical reference, a spark and a shock happen. This is why all electrical devices use the absolute reference of "ground" or "earth", by which they mean the planet itself. Go outside and look at any power pole and you will see a metal wire running down the side into the ground. This is to keep the entire power system aligned to a common reference, the earth. So what does this have to do with your computer and motherboard? Well, you need to make sure you are at the same common reference point or a potentially damaging shock may happen. To make sure of this, you need to take hold of the metal chassis of the PC before performing any work. Some even go so far as to recommend a grounding bracelet that will make sure you and the chassis stay in electrical agreement. This used to be critical on older PCs, but newer ones are not near as sensitive, so the hand-on method usually works fine. So, before installing the motherboard, grab a metal portion of the PC chassis. Then when you take hold of the motherboard, try to make as little contact as possible with the components on the board, handling it by the edges. When you put the board in place you will notice it has exposed metal where the screws connect it to the chassis standout mounting points. This is how the motherboard is grounded to the chassis to prevent any problems. Oh, and I would avoid working on a PC on a rug. Those fibers can generate some interesting charges, just ask the doorknob. HTH, Norman --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- Anthony Ettinger wrote: >Yeah. I got an RMA from newegg. > >Now I'm off to read about this "grounding" issue. I >still don't get it after talking to some guys inline >at the computer store last night. > >The tech said the computer has to be touching metal. I >said, well my apartment is rug not metal floor? He >said it won't work unless the computer is touching >metal. I started thinking, wtf - so doesn't that metal >have to be touching other metal? I still don't get >this. > >1 guy said, just keep your finger on the power supply >the whole time you're working on the computer that'll >keep you grounded. Uh...the power supply is usually >the first thing to be removed when I work on the >computer. > >One guy metnioned a bracelet i can wear for grounding >(no friggin' idea how this makes any sense), but they >were out of stock none-the-less. > >It's just a matter of time before someone tells me I >have to get extra long battery cables and hook one end >up to my nipple, and the other end to the microwave, >while wearing an aluminum mixing bowl on my head - >otherwise i could damage the motherboard. > > >--- Richard Maloley II > wrote: > > From Chris at globet.com Fri Sep 9 12:23:12 2005 From: Chris at globet.com (Chris at globet.com) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:23:12 +0100 Subject: [thelist] phishing and urls Message-ID: Laura > This morning I got a phishing email supposedly from amazon.com. > > I knew it was phishing, of course, because it had that famous > line "your account will close within 24 hours unless you > click on his link and verify your information". > > What scared me particularly on this phish was this - I > clicked on the link I would advise that if you know that a link is provided in malice, curiosity should be outweighed by caution. It doesn't matter what you think you know, if you're about to become the victim of a 0-day exploit. > (I often check to see where a phisher > wants to take me, and the url given was definately an > amazon.com address! (Many phishers will lead you to a When you say that it was definitely an Amazon.com address, 1) was the URI under the amazon.com domain, or s) did the URI have the string "amazon.com" in it (possibly at the beginning) somewhere. If: 1) There is a possibility (probably remote with an organisation like Amazon.com) that their website is vulnerable to a cross-site scripting vulnerability. Example: The the target website has an account login system. When a user logs out, they are redirected to the target website home page. A message is displayed which reads "Thank you for logging out". The message is passed via the query string, so the URI is constructed thus: http://example.example/default.asp?message=Thank+you+for+logging+out. An attacker can now insert script into html page that is sent to a user as an HTTP response if they can persuade the user to click on a link. Thus, a malicious URI might be constructed thus: http://example.example/default.asp?message=. It seems pretty clear what is going on here, but if we convert the query string to hex, it looks like this: . This would appear to be far less suspicious, in my opinion. If the link is clicked on, the user is directed to the attacker's website. They can then be directed straight back to the target website without the user being any the wiser. Bearing in mind that attacker can pick up the cookie values from the target website on the way, and deliver them to himself via the querystring, this is not cool. 2) The protocol for logging into a website directly is (or used to be, at least) http://username:password at domain.tld/. If a non-existent username is specified, the anonymous web user account may be used. Thus, we could use the link http://amazon.com:password at mal.example/. Both of the above "exploits" are well known, so most websites *should* not be susceptible to them. [..] > 4. I thought you would be safe from viruses and unautthorized > changes to your system if you don't click on any attachments. > How does an email transfer a virus or a command if you don't > click on an attachment? What are the new rules for keeping > your computer safe? Don't connect it to the interweb? Other than that, install a firewall and disable *everything*. Then, only enable what you need - and understand why you need it otherwise leave it disabled. Keep your virus definitions up to date. Don't let curiosity get the better of you - if you know that something is malicious, totally avoid it. Assuming you're on a Windows machine, buy a copy of Norton Ghost. Keep your data on a separate partition to your OS and applications, and take regular Ghost backups of your system partition. Then, if something Bad happens, you should be able to yank the plug, and restore your system partition from the Ghost image. Of course, your data partition could still be corrupted - but you can cross that bridge when you come to it. HTH Chris Marsh Web Developer http://www.globet.com/ Tel: +44 20 8246 4804 Ext 828 Fax: +44 20 8246 4808 Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the Company. This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete it from your system. From jeff at jeffhowden.com Fri Sep 9 12:28:57 2005 From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:28:57 -0700 Subject: [thelist] phishing and urls In-Reply-To: <003e01c5b55a$2cd57d40$330b2918@cucciwb.int> Message-ID: <20050909162358.8308.8690@hm-pop3.solinus.com> Laura, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Lightning > > What scared me particularly on this phish was this - I > clicked on the link (I often check to see where a > phisher wants to take me, and the url given was > definately an amazon.com address! [...] ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< I find that extremely difficult to believe, unless the link started out as an Amazon.com link and ended up being a redirect somewhere else. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > [...] (Many phishers will lead you to a misspelled > address, or an address with an alien header such as > www.amazzon.com or www.verification.amazon.com.) [...] ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< The former is certainly not an Amazon.com domain. However, the latter is a valid subdomain syntax for an Amazon.com domain. In order to actually put a site at that domain, you'd have to have control of Amazon.com's DNS. Now, if it was switched around to something like www.amazon.verification.com, then that'd be a non-Amazon.com domain. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > [...] But, no, this really was the amazon site. The > email also attempted to put amazon.com cookies on my > harddrive. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< That could be caused by either a link using an Amazon.com redirect or by way of calling an Amazon.com image into the body of the HTML email. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > [...] and found my email program no longer worked. > So... did this phisher ALSO put a virus, or change a > setting on my email? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Email settings (with proper security settings applied) can't be changed via an email. The same would be true of a virus. It's very likely that the two are a coincidence. Perhaps a more thorough description of "no longer worked" could bring that to light. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > [...] They sent back a letter saying that phishers CAN > take you to one site while displaying that you are at > another url!! ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< That's the first I've ever heard of that being possible and from my experience is a completely bogus claim. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > 1. HOW can a page make the url be different from the url > you are visiting? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< The *only* way is by way of frames or iframes. However, to do that, you must have control of the domain that you wish to have displayed in the address bar of the browser. And, technically, you're not making the URL different from the URL you are visiting. You're only masking it. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > 2. How can an email use cookies? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Call an external object (image, flash, stylesheet, etc.) from a server that sets cookies for all requested objects. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > 3. I was taught that a site can only create and read > cookies that match the domain name they come from. > Can someone please set me straight on the facts about cookies? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< http://www.cookiecentral.com/faq/#2.9 ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > 4. I thought you would be safe from viruses and > unautthorized changes to your system if you don't > click on any attachments. How does an email transfer > a virus or a command if you don't click on an > attachment? What are the new rules for keeping your > computer safe? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Attachments haven't been the only infection vector in email for a *long* time. However, provided you have your security zone set to restricted and have scripting turned off for that zone as well as have all the latest patches and updates, you don't have anything to worry about. Regardless, I'd recommend installing antivirus software and keeping it up-to-date. [>] Jeff Howden jeff at jeffhowden.com http://jeffhowden.com/ From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 12:45:01 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <4321C19A.8090308@craftedsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20050909174501.85485.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, well the grounding thing makes sense, but I live on the 2nd floor, and if my pc is not plugged into the outlet it ISN'T touching the ground...it's on the table, which is on the kitchen floor. I would have to run a wire from my chassis to the earth ground outside? ANd by hooking myself up to the chassis with the bracelet, i would become part of that ground. But simply touching the chassis when it's on the table doesn't ground it, does it? Since neither me nor the computer are directly in contact with the earth via wire? --- Norman Bunn wrote: > The first thing you have to understand about > electricity is that charges > are all relative. For example, you don't feel > anything while walking > across a carpet, but when you get to a doorknob that > has a different > electrical reference, a spark and a shock happen. > This is why all > electrical devices use the absolute reference of > "ground" or "earth", by > which they mean the planet itself. Go outside and > look at any power > pole and you will see a metal wire running down the > side into the > ground. This is to keep the entire power system > aligned to a common > reference, the earth. > > So what does this have to do with your computer and > motherboard? Well, > you need to make sure you are at the same common > reference point or a > potentially damaging shock may happen. To make sure > of this, you need > to take hold of the metal chassis of the PC before > performing any work. > Some even go so far as to recommend a grounding > bracelet that will make > sure you and the chassis stay in electrical > agreement. This used to be > critical on older PCs, but newer ones are not near > as sensitive, so the > hand-on method usually works fine. > > So, before installing the motherboard, grab a metal > portion of the PC > chassis. Then when you take hold of the > motherboard, try to make as > little contact as possible with the components on > the board, handling it > by the edges. When you put the board in place you > will notice it has > exposed metal where the screws connect it to the > chassis standout > mounting points. This is how the motherboard is > grounded to the chassis > to prevent any problems. > > Oh, and I would avoid working on a PC on a rug. > Those fibers can > generate some interesting charges, just ask the > doorknob. > > HTH, > > Norman > > --- > > Norman W. Bunn > norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com > 803.405.1008 > ---------------------------------------------- > www.CraftedSolutions.com > Crafted Solutions, Inc. > Web Design & Development > Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions > "Get the results the Internet promises; > get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > Anthony Ettinger wrote: > > >Yeah. I got an RMA from newegg. > > > >Now I'm off to read about this "grounding" issue. I > >still don't get it after talking to some guys > inline > >at the computer store last night. > > > >The tech said the computer has to be touching > metal. I > >said, well my apartment is rug not metal floor? He > >said it won't work unless the computer is touching > >metal. I started thinking, wtf - so doesn't that > metal > >have to be touching other metal? I still don't get > >this. > > > >1 guy said, just keep your finger on the power > supply > >the whole time you're working on the computer > that'll > >keep you grounded. Uh...the power supply is usually > >the first thing to be removed when I work on the > >computer. > > > >One guy metnioned a bracelet i can wear for > grounding > >(no friggin' idea how this makes any sense), but > they > >were out of stock none-the-less. > > > >It's just a matter of time before someone tells me > I > >have to get extra long battery cables and hook one > end > >up to my nipple, and the other end to the > microwave, > >while wearing an aluminum mixing bowl on my head - > >otherwise i could damage the motherboard. > > > > > >--- Richard Maloley II > > wrote: > > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Fri Sep 9 13:17:41 2005 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:17:41 -0400 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050909174501.85485.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050909174501.85485.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4321D1C5.9060001@craftedsolutions.com> Simply touching the chassis makes sure you and it are at the same level. Any overage/underage will resolve instantaneously. Grounding to earth is not that important unless you are going to be touching something else that is grounded. More than likely the chassis is pretty much at ground level since it was when it was last plugged in. Norman --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- Anthony Ettinger wrote: >Ok, well the grounding thing makes sense, but I live >on the 2nd floor, and if my pc is not plugged into the >outlet it ISN'T touching the ground...it's on the >table, which is on the kitchen floor. I would have to >run a wire from my chassis to the earth ground >outside? > >ANd by hooking myself up to the chassis with the >bracelet, i would become part of that ground. But >simply touching the chassis when it's on the table >doesn't ground it, does it? Since neither me nor the >computer are directly in contact with the earth via >wire? > > >--- Norman Bunn >wrote: > > > >>The first thing you have to understand about >>electricity is that charges >>are all relative. For example, you don't feel >>anything while walking >>across a carpet, but when you get to a doorknob that >>has a different >>electrical reference, a spark and a shock happen. >>This is why all >>electrical devices use the absolute reference of >>"ground" or "earth", by >>which they mean the planet itself. Go outside and >>look at any power >>pole and you will see a metal wire running down the >>side into the >>ground. This is to keep the entire power system >>aligned to a common >>reference, the earth. >> >>So what does this have to do with your computer and >>motherboard? Well, >>you need to make sure you are at the same common >>reference point or a >>potentially damaging shock may happen. To make sure >>of this, you need >>to take hold of the metal chassis of the PC before >>performing any work. >>Some even go so far as to recommend a grounding >>bracelet that will make >>sure you and the chassis stay in electrical >>agreement. This used to be >>critical on older PCs, but newer ones are not near >>as sensitive, so the >>hand-on method usually works fine. >> >>So, before installing the motherboard, grab a metal >>portion of the PC >>chassis. Then when you take hold of the >>motherboard, try to make as >>little contact as possible with the components on >>the board, handling it >>by the edges. When you put the board in place you >>will notice it has >>exposed metal where the screws connect it to the >>chassis standout >>mounting points. This is how the motherboard is >>grounded to the chassis >>to prevent any problems. >> >>Oh, and I would avoid working on a PC on a rug. >>Those fibers can >>generate some interesting charges, just ask the >>doorknob. >> >>HTH, >> >>Norman >> >>--- >> >>Norman W. Bunn >>norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com >>803.405.1008 >>---------------------------------------------- >>www.CraftedSolutions.com >>Crafted Solutions, Inc. >>Web Design & Development >>Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions >>"Get the results the Internet promises; >> get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" >>---------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >>Anthony Ettinger wrote: >> >> >> >>>Yeah. I got an RMA from newegg. >>> >>>Now I'm off to read about this "grounding" issue. I >>>still don't get it after talking to some guys >>> >>> >>inline >> >> >>>at the computer store last night. >>> >>>The tech said the computer has to be touching >>> >>> >>metal. I >> >> >>>said, well my apartment is rug not metal floor? He >>>said it won't work unless the computer is touching >>>metal. I started thinking, wtf - so doesn't that >>> >>> >>metal >> >> >>>have to be touching other metal? I still don't get >>>this. >>> >>>1 guy said, just keep your finger on the power >>> >>> >>supply >> >> >>>the whole time you're working on the computer >>> >>> >>that'll >> >> >>>keep you grounded. Uh...the power supply is usually >>>the first thing to be removed when I work on the >>>computer. >>> >>>One guy metnioned a bracelet i can wear for >>> >>> >>grounding >> >> >>>(no friggin' idea how this makes any sense), but >>> >>> >>they >> >> >>>were out of stock none-the-less. >>> >>>It's just a matter of time before someone tells me >>> >>> >>I >> >> >>>have to get extra long battery cables and hook one >>> >>> >>end >> >> >>>up to my nipple, and the other end to the >>> >>> >>microwave, >> >> >>>while wearing an aluminum mixing bowl on my head - >>>otherwise i could damage the motherboard. >>> >>> >>>--- Richard Maloley II >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >> >>* * Please support the community that supports you. >>* * >>http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> >>For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip >>Harvester >>and archives of thelist go to: >>http://lists.evolt.org >>Workers of the Web, evolt ! >> >> >> > > >Anthony Ettinger >ph: (408) 656-2473 >blog: http://www.chovy.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Fri Sep 9 19:05:05 2005 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (Jono) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:05:05 -0400 Subject: [thelist] AOL Email Links In-Reply-To: <432080C1.5010703@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: On 9/8/05 2:19 PM, "Maximillian Schwanekamp" wrote: > What's the story on AOL email links these days? Is it still true that > AOL email clients are still whacked out, and need to have links > formatted as HTML within a text/plain message body? You might want to look around here: http://www.aolmedianetworks.com/adspecs/index.shtml --> A quick glance did not reveal any info about AOL HTML emails. Also, try the contact us link (top-right) and post the question for AOL to answer specifically. They are usually pretty good about getting back on questions. I used to build HTML emails specifically for AOL, and as far as I can remember, it had to be 4.0 browser compliant in order to display correctly; then again that was back in the 4.0 browser era too. Try the contact us and ask for specific information, or better yet, just call AOL and tell them your situation. About cancellation: I recently used an AOL trial in order to connect to the net while on the road, and the entire process of canceling was painless. Took a few minutes and that was it. It would have been faster, but I was too polite in listening to the AOL rep. tell me all about AOL's features that I was about to cancel. I installed it on my Powerbook G3 and uninstalling was as simple as dragging the app. folder to the trash, and calling AOL. From rfaaberg at comcast.net Fri Sep 9 20:34:19 2005 From: rfaaberg at comcast.net (Rick Faaberg) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 18:34:19 -0700 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: <20050909163339.50170.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 9/9/05 9:33 AM "Anthony Ettinger" sent this out: > It's just a matter of time before someone tells me I > have to get extra long battery cables and hook one end > up to my nipple, and the other end to the microwave, > while wearing an aluminum mixing bowl on my head - > otherwise i could damage the motherboard. Hee hee! :-) But seriously, I worked as a tech for a lot of years and hardly ever wore the "strap" and never zapped anything. We did have tile flooring in the shop; maybe that helped. I wore "the strap" when anyone was looking, but only touched the power supply to "discharge" myself of electrostatic voltage usually. Rick Faaberg From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 21:12:30 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050910021230.38149.qmail@web51113.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah. Most people seem to think simply touching the case prior to handling hardware is enough. I don't think I shorted the motherboard, I think it was defective. I would've touched the case anyhow right before picking up the motherboard. and i was on linoleum floor, not rug. Just a defective board. I'll know for sure when i get my new one next week sometime. --- Rick Faaberg wrote: > On 9/9/05 9:33 AM "Anthony Ettinger" > sent this out: > > > It's just a matter of time before someone tells me > I > > have to get extra long battery cables and hook one > end > > up to my nipple, and the other end to the > microwave, > > while wearing an aluminum mixing bowl on my head - > > otherwise i could damage the motherboard. > > Hee hee! :-) > > But seriously, I worked as a tech for a lot of years > and hardly ever wore > the "strap" and never zapped anything. We did have > tile flooring in the > shop; maybe that helped. > > I wore "the strap" when anyone was looking, but only > touched the power > supply to "discharge" myself of electrostatic > voltage usually. > > Rick Faaberg > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From vreeland at studioframework.com Fri Sep 9 21:37:06 2005 From: vreeland at studioframework.com (Robert Vreeland) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:37:06 -0400 Subject: [thelist] phishing and urls In-Reply-To: <003e01c5b55a$2cd57d40$330b2918@cucciwb.int> Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1EDvEz3DBP-0007ox@mrelay.perfora.net> A lot of virus / trojans modify your local dns host file; which means while the url may say amazon.com the ip address is completely different. Also, I would recommend against every clicking on a link in a html email from an un-trusted source as it may launch a stub program, same as going to what you now is a bogus site. Robert Vreeland -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Lightning Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 12:19 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] phishing and urls This morning I got a phishing email supposedly from amazon.com. I knew it was phishing, of course, because it had that famous line "your account will close within 24 hours unless you click on his link and verify your information". What scared me particularly on this phish was this - I clicked on the link (I often check to see where a phisher wants to take me, and the url given was definately an amazon.com address! (Many phishers will lead you to a misspelled address, or an address with an alien header such as www.amazzon.com or www.verification.amazon.com.) But, no, this really was the amazon site. The email also attempted to put amazon.com cookies on my harddrive. What scared me even more was I then wrote a letter to amazon alerting them of the email, and found my email program no longer worked. So... did this phisher ALSO put a virus, or change a setting on my email? I immediately restored my computer to an earlier point. My email is working fine now, and the letter went off to amazon. They sent back a letter saying that phishers CAN take you to one site while displaying that you are at another url!! ok, the above is the story. Below are my questions: 1. HOW can a page make the url be different from the url you are visiting? 2. How can an email use cookies? 3. I was taught that a site can only create and read cookies that match the domain name they come from. Can someone please set me straight on the facts about cookies? 4. I thought you would be safe from viruses and unautthorized changes to your system if you don't click on any attachments. How does an email transfer a virus or a command if you don't click on an attachment? What are the new rules for keeping your computer safe? thanks for any explaination, or links to appropriate explainattions. Laura -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Sat Sep 10 06:33:07 2005 From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:33:07 +0100 Subject: [thelist] granting linux ftp privileges Message-ID: <4322C473.7030607@deltatraffic.co.uk> hi evolt i've set up a user account on my virtual server and now i need to ftp to this account. how do grant the ftp privilege? thanks Alex -- ------------------------------------------- Office: 01273 297927 / mobile: 07814 630621 ------------------------------------------- From evolt at markgroen.com Sat Sep 10 08:04:42 2005 From: evolt at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 06:04:42 -0700 Subject: [thelist] granting linux ftp privileges References: <4322C473.7030607@deltatraffic.co.uk> Message-ID: <000b01c5b608$3735e640$6400a8c0@vn.shawcable.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Beston" <> To: Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 4:33 AM Subject: [thelist] granting linux ftp privileges > i've set up a user account on my virtual server and now i need to ftp to > this account. how do grant the ftp privilege? It would help to know the distro you are using, assuming Apache as the server, this should get you started as Red Hat is a popular one for web servers, (at least that's what I use), check the prerequisites: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialWebSiteConfig.html#FTPD cheers, Mark From amandakuek at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 08:48:24 2005 From: amandakuek at gmail.com (Amanda Kuek) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:48:24 +1000 Subject: [thelist] FilesMatch/ForceType leads to CSS death? Message-ID: Well, that's a tad dramatic, but I am stumped. Basically, in the course of trying to have nice URLs, my CSS seems to have fallen over. I have a URL that looks like this: http://www.example.com/trial/news.php?id=32 Obviously, it displays the news item which has an ID of 32. Now, I wanted a nice URL that looked like this: http://www.example.com/trial/news/32 Because Netspace doesn't seem to have mod_rewrite, I resorted to putting the following into an .htaccess file... ForceType application/x-httpd-php ...and lopping the ".php" off the end of the file called "news.php". Unfortunately, looking at http://www.example.com/trial/news/32 will show you that the external style sheet (example.css) is not being loaded. Now, according to Firefox, it's not being loaded because... Error: The stylesheet http://www.example.com/trial/news/example.css was not loaded because its MIME type, "text/html", is not "text/css". Does anyone have any clue on how to get around this? Is this because news.php is Strict XHTML? (That was giving me problems before with firefox: had to encase the css file in a PHP file (with an include()) then use ) Thanks very much for any suggestions. And sorry if this is a really obvious question. From hassan at webtuitive.com Sat Sep 10 08:53:03 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 06:53:03 -0700 Subject: [thelist] granting linux ftp privileges In-Reply-To: <4322C473.7030607@deltatraffic.co.uk> References: <4322C473.7030607@deltatraffic.co.uk> Message-ID: <4322E53F.2050600@webtuitive.com> Alex Beston wrote: > i've set up a user account on my virtual server and now i need to ftp to > this account. how do grant the ftp privilege? If you're trying to connect via FTP to a system unsuccessfully, what error message do you see when you try? What's in the system logs? And, are you sure you have a running ftp daemon available? :-) Some hosting companies only allow *S*FTP access, for better security. As Mark Groen already pointed out, details on your system/environment would probably help you get better answers... -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From mwarden at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 09:03:57 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:03:57 -0400 Subject: [thelist] FilesMatch/ForceType leads to CSS death? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4322E7CD.4070306@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Amanda Kuek wrote: > Error: The stylesheet http://www.example.com/trial/news/example.css was > not loaded because its MIME type, "text/html", is not "text/css". Um, have you tried requesting your "css" file directly? It is definitely not a CSS file. http://www.example.com/trial/news/example.css - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDIufNAQ0d4HGyPE8RAha0AKCAl7rcN6VVFUfJKUUQbel52M/iKgCfe0df LNCpo5ChO53nrDo70nhjq6E= =iu9c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Sat Sep 10 09:16:37 2005 From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:16:37 +0100 Subject: [thelist] granting linux ftp privileges In-Reply-To: <4322E53F.2050600@webtuitive.com> References: <4322C473.7030607@deltatraffic.co.uk> <4322E53F.2050600@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <4322EAC5.4030603@deltatraffic.co.uk> sorry about the lack of info. anyway, thanks for the responses ive found a page [1] after about an hour of searching that talks about an etc/ftpaccess file which should do the trick ok, best Alex [1} http://www.freek.com/lasg/lasg-0-1-7.pdf From dejan at kozina.com Sat Sep 10 10:20:58 2005 From: dejan at kozina.com (Dejan Kozina) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:20:58 +0200 Subject: [thelist] FilesMatch/ForceType leads to CSS death? In-Reply-To: <4322E7CD.4070306@gmail.com> References: <4322E7CD.4070306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4322F9DA.3010402@kozina.com> Firefox is not loading the css file because it doesn't find it where it thinks it should be. The nice URL tricks the browser into thinking it is currently in the news directory and your link to the css file makes it request '/trial/news/example.css', which gets parsed by your php script and results in a database error message within your template. You can: 1. change your css href to '../example.css' or 2. put into your HEAD Further, your server is sending the css as text/plain and Gecko browsers definitely don't like this. Add this line to your htaccess: AddType text/css .css Hope this helps. djn Matt Warden wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Amanda Kuek wrote: > >>Error: The stylesheet http://www.example.com/trial/news/example.css was >>not loaded because its MIME type, "text/html", is not "text/css". > > > Um, have you tried requesting your "css" file directly? It is > definitely not a CSS file. > > http://www.example.com/trial/news/example.css > > - -- > Matt Warden > Miami University > Oxford, OH, USA > http://mattwarden.com > > > This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFDIufNAQ0d4HGyPE8RAha0AKCAl7rcN6VVFUfJKUUQbel52M/iKgCfe0df > LNCpo5ChO53nrDo70nhjq6E= > =iu9c > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Dejan Kozina Dolina 346 (TS) - I-34018 Italy tel./fax: +39 040 228 436 - cell.: +39 348 7355 225 http://www.kozina.com/ - e-mail: dejan at kozina.com From amandakuek at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 10:26:55 2005 From: amandakuek at gmail.com (Amanda Kuek) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 01:26:55 +1000 Subject: [thelist] FilesMatch/ForceType leads to CSS death? In-Reply-To: <4322E7CD.4070306@gmail.com> References: <4322E7CD.4070306@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Um, have you tried requesting your "css" file directly? It is > definitely not a CSS file. > > http://www.example.com/trial/news/example.css > If I was any thicker I'd be a month-old custard. The lack of a file extension on "news" (the PHP file) made it be interpreted as a directory. It also explains why images weren't showing (which I'd noticed, but dismissed, because I'd morphed into a custard). This was fixed by not using relative paths for images / external CSS files. Thanks for that, saved me a lot of hair-pulling! From amandakuek at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 10:29:19 2005 From: amandakuek at gmail.com (Amanda Kuek) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 01:29:19 +1000 Subject: [thelist] FilesMatch/ForceType leads to CSS death? In-Reply-To: <4322F9DA.3010402@kozina.com> References: <4322E7CD.4070306@gmail.com> <4322F9DA.3010402@kozina.com> Message-ID: > 2. put into your HEAD > Thank you, that solves my problem very elegantly. > Further, your server is sending the css as text/plain and Gecko browsers > definitely don't like this. Add this line to your htaccess: > AddType text/css .css And this is certainly more elegant than my current "fix" too! > Hope this helps. > > djn It does, very much. Cheers! From ironmike at inav.net Sat Sep 10 10:34:51 2005 From: ironmike at inav.net (Mike Hopkins) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:34:51 -0500 Subject: [thelist] grounding + shorts (installing hardware) References: <20050909163339.50170.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c5b61d$3139b720$ee6a0143@trustyii> One guy metnioned a bracelet i can wear for grounding (no friggin' idea how this makes any sense), but they were out of stock none-the-less. It's just a matter of time before someone tells me I have to get extra long battery cables and hook one end up to my nipple, and the other end to the microwave, while wearing an aluminum mixing bowl on my head - otherwise i could damage the motherboard. <>><><><><><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Aluminum foil works as well as an aluminum bowl -- just have several layers folded together. It probably would not be a good idea to wear your new hat on the bus, though. Also, if the nipple clamp isn't comfortable you could try a 6 inch probe in a certain dark, wet place that i wouldn't go into... Really, the wrist strap is connected to a wire that needs to have the other end connected to something you KNOW is grounded, such as a cold water pipe, green wire connection on a properly wired electrical circuit, etc. Yes that does mean wiring yourself to an electrical outlet.... Or just **be careful** and don't worry about grounding. Mike Hopkins ironmike AT inav.net From jeff at jeffhowden.com Sat Sep 10 10:50:23 2005 From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:50:23 -0700 Subject: [thelist] FilesMatch/ForceType leads to CSS death? In-Reply-To: <4322F9DA.3010402@kozina.com> Message-ID: <20050910144522.5831.11549@hm-pop3.solinus.com> djn, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Dejan Kozina > > You can: > 1. change your css href to '../example.css' > or > 2. put > into your HEAD ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Or, better yet, change your references to external files to root-relative: /trial/example.css [>] Jeff Howden jeff at jeffhowden.com http://jeffhowden.com/ From lists at ckapublishing.com Sat Sep 10 12:36:12 2005 From: lists at ckapublishing.com (Christian Anderson) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:36:12 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Trying to create table in MySQL DB with phpmyadmin In-Reply-To: <01cc01c5b1b2$85955aa0$98ffad46@weiss> Message-ID: Thanks, that worked great. Was it the TYPE = thing that made it work? I think that I was missing that the first time around. Chris -----Original Message----- Chris, Give this a shot: CREATE TABLE `table_CATEGORIES` ( `id` BIGINT UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT , `tTitle` VARCHAR( 255 ) NOT NULL , `tLocation` VARCHAR( 255 ) NOT NULL , `tDate` DATE NOT NULL , PRIMARY KEY ( `id` ) ) TYPE = MYISAM ; -jeremy From lists at ckapublishing.com Sat Sep 10 12:37:25 2005 From: lists at ckapublishing.com (Christian Anderson) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:37:25 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Trying to create table in MySQL DB with phpmyadmin In-Reply-To: <431B99BA.3020805@pennyonthesidewalk.com> Message-ID: Rob, Thanks for pointing that out. I just copied some stuff over from a wordpress database which was using bigint so I figured it was best for this situation. Turns out that int or smallint is much better. Thanks! Chris -----Original Message----- Not directly related, but I was surprised by this column choice of BIGINT. Are you really going to have 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 possible categories of data? Rob|| From lists at ckapublishing.com Sat Sep 10 12:43:03 2005 From: lists at ckapublishing.com (Christian Anderson) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:43:03 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Horizontal Scroll in FF but not IE Message-ID: Hi, I have a problem with a horizontal scroll bar showing up in firefox but not in IE. Here is the page(s) that are causing the problem: http://www.ckapublishing.com/p.php?id=2 I've hunted through the code and style sheet, but cant figure out what could be causing this. Is there a glaring error there that I am failing to see? ** ps, I'm just starting to put my pictures online and know that the bottom images are not optimized. I'll fix that once I figure out the scrollbar thing. Thanks! Chris Christian Anderson :: email / messenger: chris at ckapublishing.com :: http://www.ckapublishing.com/gallery :: skype: ckapublishing From lists at neptunewebworks.com Sat Sep 10 17:14:20 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:14:20 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Weird bot email [long] Message-ID: <43235ABC.5030909@neptunewebworks.com> Hey List, I have a handrolled php contact form on my site and (with minor variations) on a few of my clients' sites. Really basic: user fills in the form, POSTs the form data to itself, and sends an email to the site owner via php mail(). The destination for the contact mail is hardcoded into the php and is not exposed in any way, and the script runs stip_tags() on the user-entered data. This script dates back a ways, and it appears that my security awareness level was still pretty low when I wrote it... So anyway now as site owner I am getting email from this script which is always from /[a-z]{3,10}@neptunewebworks.com/ (i.e. 3-10 random alpha chars @ my own domain). The body of the message appears to be attempting to spoof the headers or something. I saw a few of these go through last week, and figured it was just some joker. Now I'm getting 6-8 of these a day, so I figure the bad guys may have found a way in. I tested my box for open relays, etc, but got nothing. Still, these messages look fishy. Anyone have any idea what's going on here? Here's a sample message (overcomeyourstagefright.com is my client's site), with the header/body division marked: X-Account-Key: account2 X-UIDL: 1c48cb5ad524725c17d1b3c316265bfe X-Mozilla-Status: 0201 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: Envelope-to: anaxamaxan at neptunewebworks.com Delivery-date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:40 -0700 Received: from neptun2 by sequoia.neptunewebworks.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1EE472-0006zf-0T for anaxamaxan at neptunewebworks.com; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:40 -0700 Received: from nobody by sequoia.neptunewebworks.com with local (Exim 4.44) id 1EE471-0006yV-RR for max at neptunewebworks.com; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:39 -0700 To: Max Subject: Randy Contact Form From: lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:39 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on sequoia.neptunewebworks.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 <--------------------------------------- MESSAGE BODY BEGINS lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0002865402==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: 6d237c20 To: lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com bcc: jrubin3546 at aol.com From: lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0002865402== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jlugklbqaw --===============0002865402==-- -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Sat Sep 10 19:44:14 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:44:14 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Weird bot email [long] Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF42@kjserver1.kjhome.local> My guess: It's targeting those systems where the webpage code generates the email as a text file - it's an "injection" attack, where they are attempting to inject additional headers. It might work if the backend SMTP server allows relay, it might work if email's dropped directly into the SMTP server's working queue (bypassing relay checks), but otherwise, you just end up with crud in the body Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Maximillian Schwanekamp : Sent: Sunday, 11 September 2005 8:14 AM : To: TheList at Evolt : Subject: [thelist] Weird bot email [long] : : Hey List, : : I have a handrolled php contact form on my site and (with minor : variations) on a few of my clients' sites. Really basic: user fills in : the form, POSTs the form data to itself, and sends an email to the site : owner via php mail(). The destination for the contact mail is hardcoded : into the php and is not exposed in any way, and the script runs : stip_tags() on the user-entered data. This script dates back a ways, : and it appears that my security awareness level was still pretty low : when I wrote it... : : So anyway now as site owner I am getting email from this script which is : always from /[a-z]{3,10}@neptunewebworks.com/ (i.e. 3-10 random alpha : chars @ my own domain). The body of the message appears to be : attempting to spoof the headers or something. I saw a few of these go : through last week, and figured it was just some joker. Now I'm getting : 6-8 of these a day, so I figure the bad guys may have found a way in. I : tested my box for open relays, etc, but got nothing. Still, these : messages look fishy. Anyone have any idea what's going on here? : : Here's a sample message (overcomeyourstagefright.com is my client's : site), with the header/body division marked: : : X-Account-Key: account2 : X-UIDL: 1c48cb5ad524725c17d1b3c316265bfe : X-Mozilla-Status: 0201 : X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 : Return-path: : Envelope-to: anaxamaxan at neptunewebworks.com : Delivery-date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:40 -0700 : Received: from neptun2 by sequoia.neptunewebworks.com with local-bsmtp : (Exim 4.44) : id 1EE472-0006zf-0T : for anaxamaxan at neptunewebworks.com; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:40 -0700 : Received: from nobody by sequoia.neptunewebworks.com with local (Exim : 4.44) : id 1EE471-0006yV-RR : for max at neptunewebworks.com; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:39 -0700 : To: Max : Subject: Randy Contact Form : From: lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com : MIME-Version: 1.0 : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; : Message-ID: : : Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:39 -0700 : X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on : sequoia.neptunewebworks.com : X-Spam-Level: : X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 : autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 : <--------------------------------------- MESSAGE BODY : BEGINS : lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com : Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0002865402==" : MIME-Version: 1.0 : Subject: 6d237c20 : To: lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com : bcc: jrubin3546 at aol.com : From: lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com : : This is a multi-part message in MIME format. : : --===============0002865402== : Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" : MIME-Version: 1.0 : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : : jlugklbqaw : --===============0002865402==-- From jeff at jeffhowden.com Sat Sep 10 20:31:26 2005 From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:31:26 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Weird bot email [long] In-Reply-To: <43235ABC.5030909@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <20050911002625.11594.18093@hm-pop3.solinus.com> Max, I've seen these come through mine and my clients' sites as well. Most fail, but I found one today that made it through. More here: http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm/2005/9/5/email%20injection [>] Jeff Howden jeff at jeffhowden.com http://jeffhowden.com/ From hassan at webtuitive.com Sat Sep 10 20:40:10 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:40:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Weird bot email [long] In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF42@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF42@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <43238AFA.1050609@webtuitive.com> Ken Schaefer wrote: > It might work if the backend SMTP server allows relay, it might work if > email's dropped directly into the SMTP server's working queue (bypassing > relay checks), but otherwise, you just end up with crud in the body Yep. I've been seeing the exact same thing on a contact form on one of my sites, with this same 'bcc: jrubin3546 at aol.com' inserted into the comment body. Annoying, definitely. :-) -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From apwebdesign at yahoo.com Sat Sep 10 21:19:30 2005 From: apwebdesign at yahoo.com (Anthony Ettinger) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] granting linux ftp privileges In-Reply-To: <4322C473.7030607@deltatraffic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050911021930.19227.qmail@web51114.mail.yahoo.com> Shouldn't be using ftp. Use scp, there are guis for it. --- Alex Beston wrote: > hi evolt > > i've set up a user account on my virtual server and > now i need to ftp to > this account. how do grant the ftp privilege? > > thanks > > Alex > > -- > ------------------------------------------- > > Office: 01273 297927 / mobile: 07814 630621 > > ------------------------------------------- > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 blog: http://www.chovy.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From rich at richpoints.com Sat Sep 10 23:15:37 2005 From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:15:37 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Weird bot email [long] In-Reply-To: <43235ABC.5030909@neptunewebworks.com> References: <43235ABC.5030909@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <4323AF69.2080208@richpoints.com> I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one out there getting this. One of my sites is getting hit about once a week which usually comes in sets of three emails. So I've been logging IP addresses and blocking them but they still keep coming. Rich Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > Hey List, > I have a handrolled php contact form on my site and (with minor > variations) on a few of my clients' sites. Really basic: user fills > in the form, POSTs the form data to itself, and sends an email to the > site owner via php mail(). The destination for the contact mail is > hardcoded into the php and is not exposed in any way, and the script > runs stip_tags() on the user-entered data. This script dates back a > ways, and it appears that my security awareness level was still pretty > low when I wrote it... > So anyway now as site owner I am getting email from this script which > is always from /[a-z]{3,10}@neptunewebworks.com/ (i.e. 3-10 random > alpha chars @ my own domain). The body of the message appears to be > attempting to spoof the headers or something. I saw a few of these go > through last week, and figured it was just some joker. Now I'm > getting 6-8 of these a day, so I figure the bad guys may have found a > way in. I tested my box for open relays, etc, but got nothing. > Still, these messages look fishy. Anyone have any idea what's going > on here? > > Here's a sample message (overcomeyourstagefright.com is my client's > site), with the header/body division marked: > > X-Account-Key: account2 > X-UIDL: 1c48cb5ad524725c17d1b3c316265bfe > X-Mozilla-Status: 0201 > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: anaxamaxan at neptunewebworks.com > Delivery-date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:40 -0700 > Received: from neptun2 by sequoia.neptunewebworks.com with local-bsmtp > (Exim 4.44) > id 1EE472-0006zf-0T > for anaxamaxan at neptunewebworks.com; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:40 -0700 > Received: from nobody by sequoia.neptunewebworks.com with local (Exim > 4.44) > id 1EE471-0006yV-RR > for max at neptunewebworks.com; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:39 -0700 > To: Max > Subject: Randy Contact Form > From: lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > Message-ID: > > Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:05:39 -0700 > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on > sequoia.neptunewebworks.com > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 > autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 > <--------------------------------------- MESSAGE BODY > BEGINS > lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0002865402==" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Subject: 6d237c20 > To: lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com > bcc: jrubin3546 at aol.com > From: lfzn at overcomeyourstagefright.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --===============0002865402== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > jlugklbqaw > --===============0002865402==-- > > From lists at neptunewebworks.com Sun Sep 11 00:01:00 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:01:00 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Weird bot email [long] In-Reply-To: <43238AFA.1050609@webtuitive.com> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF42@kjserver1.kjhome.local> <43238AFA.1050609@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <4323BA0C.7000807@neptunewebworks.com> Hassan Schroeder wrote: > Ken Schaefer wrote: >> It might work if the backend SMTP server allows relay, it might work if >> email's dropped directly into the SMTP server's working queue (bypassing >> relay checks), but otherwise, you just end up with crud in the body > > Yep. I've been seeing the exact same thing on a contact form on one > of my sites, with this same 'bcc: jrubin3546 at aol.com' inserted into > the comment body. > > Annoying, definitely. :-) Jeff Howden wrote: > I've seen these come through mine and my clients' sites as well. Most fail, > but I found one today that made it through. More here: > http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm/2005/9/5/email%20injection Ah, great answers all round. Thanks guys! In the meantime since posting I added in a preg_replace() on the user-supplied data to take out any useful headers, but the article Jeff gave was excellent, and I will actually include a captcha as well. Hassan, did you bother reporting jrubin3546 at aol.com to AOL? I'm going to, even though I don't really expect The Great Unwashed will do anything about it. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From rich at richpoints.com Sun Sep 11 00:14:20 2005 From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:14:20 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Fresh Apache Local Install Questions Message-ID: <4323BD2C.1060402@richpoints.com> Howdy, I finally broke down and installed an Apache server on my Windows machine and have it partially working. I have two questions at this point. I want to be able to log on to the server via ftp but I don't know what the default login and password are. Can someone tell me what the password is or where I can set it? My.htacess files don't seem to be working locally, these files are working properly on various servers on the web. How can I make the .htacces files function correctly? Thanks Apache Beginner Rich From rich at richpoints.com Sun Sep 11 00:13:45 2005 From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:13:45 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Fresh Apache Local Install Questions Message-ID: <4323BD09.9020807@richpoints.com> Howdy, I finally broke down and installed an Apache server on my Windows machine and have it partially working. I have two questions at this point. I want to be able to log on to the server via ftp but I don't know what the default login and password are. Can someone tell me what the password is or where I can set it? My.htacess files don't seem to be working locally, these files are working properly on various servers on the web. How can I make the .htaqcces files function correctly. Thanks Apache Beginner Rich From jon.ambrose at btopenworld.com Sun Sep 11 04:19:57 2005 From: jon.ambrose at btopenworld.com (Jon Ambrose) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:19:57 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Cisco 2600 router IP address? Setting up & configuring?? WIC1ADSL cards???? PLEASE HELP In-Reply-To: <000b01c5b608$3735e640$6400a8c0@vn.shawcable.net> Message-ID: Can anyone out there HELP please - recently purchased a second user cisco 2600 router and am trying to log on to it but do not know the default IP address for it - can anyone help by providing thsi information as well as the default password orthe port that it would ususally talk thorugh etc...???? Also, if anyone is a Cisco guru there might be a bit of work in this as we are using it to give customers VOIP capabilities and have limited knowledge of Cisco configuration. Any one interested?? We are also looking to buy 2 x WIC ADSL cards to install in it too?? And can you source it at a very good price as well?? Anyone got any experience with this and if so please advise - please advise what you would charge to install & configure this too and also if you have the two WIC cards required what you would charge for those too? Cheers big time in advance Jon Ambrose WebRightDesigns Ltd T : +44 (0)2089069557 S-IN: +44(0)2081931823 M : +44(0)7950848192 F : +44 (0)2089069557 E : jon.ambrose at webrightdesigns.co.uk W : http://www.webrightdesigns.co.uk The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose the e-mail or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail. I cannot accept responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or attachments and recommend that you subject these to your virus checking procedures prior to use. From thelist at meidomus.com Sun Sep 11 06:01:23 2005 From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:01:23 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Fresh Apache Local Install Questions In-Reply-To: <4323BD2C.1060402@richpoints.com> References: <4323BD2C.1060402@richpoints.com> Message-ID: <43240E83.60404@meidomus.com> Rich Points wrote: > Howdy, > I finally broke down and installed an Apache server on my Windows > machine and have it partially working. I have two questions at this point. > I want to be able to log on to the server via ftp but I don't know what > the default login and password are. Can someone tell me what the > password is or where I can set it? Hello Rich : Firstly, Apache is not a FTP server, so unless you have installed a separate FTP server, this question is invalid :) If you are working on the same computer as your server, you don't need FTP since you can save files directly to the document root location. By default, this is C:\Program Files\Apache Group\Apache2\htdocs\ (if you are using Apache2 and have choosen the default installation path). > > My.htacess files don't seem to be working locally, these files are > working properly on various servers on the web. How can I make the > .htacces files function correctly? You might have to enable .htaccess for directories under htdocs. I'm dont' recall if this option is disabled by default, but seems so in your case. Hopefully this helps, Burhan From sbeam at onsetcorps.net Sun Sep 11 08:40:41 2005 From: sbeam at onsetcorps.net (sbeam) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:40:41 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Weird bot email [long] In-Reply-To: <4323AF69.2080208@richpoints.com> References: <43235ABC.5030909@neptunewebworks.com> <4323AF69.2080208@richpoints.com> Message-ID: <200509110940.41326.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> On Sunday 11 September 2005 12:15 am, Rich Points wrote: > I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one out there getting this. One of my > sites is getting hit about once a week which usually comes in sets of > three emails. So I've been logging IP addresses and blocking them but > they still keep coming. > > Rich > Recently updated a couple contact forms on client sites where the mail sending script (not written by me) was vulnerable to Mr. jrubin3546 at aol.com (may he be buried in spam, amen) and his script kiddie tricks. He and his ilk are probably running scripts/worms on compromised SOHO systems with dynamic IPs, so if you block by IP you will block legitimate traffic. My solution is to 1) strip newlines from all incoming fields 2) bail out if anything contains iffy stings like 'Content-Type:' or 'MIME-Version' - no legitimate reason why someone inquiring about baked goods, for instance, would mention those things... 3) always have a BCC: sent to myself or the tech. contact at the client, or log each message, so any abuse attempts will be seen. And if you see any of this abuse, you should definitely report to their ISP. If AOL gets reports from everyone who is seeing this then they might eventually cancel the account (not holding my breath, but... the guy has been busy http://www.google.com/search?q=jrubin3546%40aol.com ) http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/junk.html#abuse ======================= simple PHP version: // fields we are sending $fields = array("name" => "Name", "email" => 'email', "phone" => 'Phone #', "comment" => 'Comments'); /* safety check all submitted data - remove newlines */ foreach ($fields as $k => $v) { $vals[$k] = preg_replace('/[\n\r]/', ' ', $_POST[$k]); // dont send anything if there is an abuse attempt if (ereg('Content-Type:', $vals[$k])) { header('Location: /inquiry.html'); exit(); } } From hassan at webtuitive.com Sun Sep 11 09:27:31 2005 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 07:27:31 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Weird bot email [long] In-Reply-To: <4323BA0C.7000807@neptunewebworks.com> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BF42@kjserver1.kjhome.local> <43238AFA.1050609@webtuitive.com> <4323BA0C.7000807@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <43243ED3.7010105@webtuitive.com> Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > Hassan, did you bother reporting jrubin3546 at aol.com to AOL? I hadn't -- not expecting a useful (or any) response -- but it's only fair to let them know, so I just did. We'll see... :-) -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. From alligott at gmx.net Sun Sep 11 15:26:26 2005 From: alligott at gmx.net (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jakob_D=F6lling?=) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:26 +0200 Subject: [thelist] CSS problems (Rendering problems with http://www.mansioncats.de/home.html) Message-ID: <432492F2.8060801@gmx.net> Morn Folks: I am having following problem: The page in question is formatted with CSS. In Mozilla 1.8b1 the page does draw a black bar top of the picture, which according to the source should not be there. In IE does this not happen; the page is rendered correctly. How do I get rid off this ugly black bar in Mozilla? Thanks in Advance, Jakob D?lling From pandion at gmx.net Sun Sep 11 16:16:14 2005 From: pandion at gmx.net (pandy) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:16:14 +0200 Subject: [thelist] CSS problems (Rendering problems with http://www.mansioncats.de/home.html) In-Reply-To: <432492F2.8060801@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20050911230257.0244c218@pop.gmx.net> Jakob D?lling wrote: >I am having following problem: The page in question is formatted with CSS. >In Mozilla 1.8b1 the page does draw a black bar top of the picture, which >according to the source should not be there. In IE does this not happen; >the page is rendered correctly. How do I get rid off this ugly black bar in >Mozilla? Hi, It seems like IE draws a border on top of the background image. Browsers like Mozilla and Opera do not. You have positioned the background 25px down and in to fix the problem in IE. That creates a problem in the other browsers. For an easy fix I suggest that you remove the background and padding from .blaurahmen. Then give the
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