<4400AC08.5040104@gmail.com>
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>
>
> | Something: | 99.83 |
> | Something: | 99.83 |
> | Something: | 99.83 |
>
Urgh... should really be th, I am quite sure excell swallows that, too.
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From Ron.Luther at hp.com Mon Feb 27 08:26:52 2006
From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:26:52 -0600
Subject: [thelist] PHP .xls export
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC7763E@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>
Matt Warden suggested:
>>Yes, I am 99% sure you can use an HTML table and it will import
>>correctly into Excel.
Hi Matt,
Just adding a caveat here because we ran into some issues with this
technique recently.
I think it works *at least* 99% of the time - if you are using
it to export 'small' files. Seems to work swell.
Unfortunately, two issues come up when you start playing with
'big' files:
(1) This technique generates ginormous export file sizes.
(2) The formatting can get flaky on you. (Date formats change
midway through the file. Numbers become text. That kind of thing.)
We were able to replicate the problem on a number of machines, but
we weren't able to isolate a root cause. Records that seemed to
trigger the format flakiness in the 'big' exports were handled with
no problems when exported in a 'smaller' test case. They were
also handled fine if you cut down the raw export file using a text
editor to isolate a few records before and after the inflection
point. It was weird.
I firmly believe it's an artifact of Excel being a 'smart' application,
but there is a possibility that hardware memory issues, different revs
of Excel at different patch levels and text fields starting with
somewhat-special characters, (+, ., etc.), may have played a role
as well.
Bottom line -- we had enough problems with this (and enough users
wanting BIG file output) that I had to have my guys abandon
this technique. I haven't seen any problems with 'small' files,
but when you start pushing this technique to the limit it starts
flaking out.
HTH,
RonL.
From rob.smith at lexjet.com Mon Feb 27 09:18:12 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:18:12 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Reporting Services - No Reports?
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4A04@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
... but it also has some administrative features, such as handling
data sources and security.
That's the one thing I can't get too that I really need. The config file
you mentioned appears to be identical to a testing platform's config
file. Both the testing and live servers are pointing to what appears to
be the same respective directories. When I changed the publishing
destination to the live server I did change one thing though:
It was http://oldserver:8080/ReportServer to
http://newserver/ReportServer
At the same token, the "newserver" isn't on TCP port 8080.......
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
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From mwarden at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 09:48:01 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:48:01 -0500
Subject: [thelist] PHP .xls export
In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0602270608o419ad090lfcf73340f0d36abb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4400AC08.5040104@gmail.com>
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> Urgh... should really be th, I am quite sure excell swallows that, too.
Maybe in this case, but just because he wants a cell that is bold
doesn't mean it's a header.
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Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
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From rachell at rachellcoe.com Mon Feb 27 12:10:01 2006
From: rachell at rachellcoe.com (Rachell Coe)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:10:01 -0800
Subject: [thelist] [WD]: Last Design Version -- I promise!!!
In-Reply-To: <43FFBD18.6050307@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c63bc9$0770b510$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
I just wanted to thank all of you for your responses -- working from out of
my home accompanied only by screaming kids and enough animals to qualify as
a petting zoo (we even have a pet pig), I don't have the experienced eyes to
critique my work (and being told they like it purple because it reminds them
of candy does not count -- unless I was designing for children) -- so your
comments and suggestions play a huge role in improving my designs.
Thank you all so much!!
Rachell Coe
From rob.smith at lexjet.com Mon Feb 27 12:50:42 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:50:42 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Reporting Services - No Reports? SOLVED
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
Thanks to a post from Google Groups and a MSFT person, I needed to
enable Windows NTFS permissions on the /Reports section of IIS instead
of Anonymous Access.
:-\
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
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From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Mon Feb 27 16:13:38 2006
From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:13:38 +1300
Subject: [thelist] Tip: Subversion on Windows
Message-ID:
Hopefully this will save someone a lot of time. Once you find the right info (half the battle), setting up subversion is actually very easy.
[1] Setting up Apache2 + Subversion:
http://www.verysimple.com/support/viewtopic.php?p=392
[2] To get your first repository working, follow the simple readme tutorial among the Subversion install files:
Program Files\Subversion\Readme.txt
From rachell at rachellcoe.com Mon Feb 27 16:48:49 2006
From: rachell at rachellcoe.com (Rachell Coe)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:48:49 -0800
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up at
http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think?
From rick.denhaan at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 17:33:39 2006
From: rick.denhaan at gmail.com (Rick den Haan)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:33:39 +0100
Subject: [thelist] PHP .xls export
In-Reply-To: <70AB22AE1B3EAC4EADEEF39CE24F7B7C1BC9E6@zeus.hayloft.office>
References: <70AB22AE1B3EAC4EADEEF39CE24F7B7C1BC9E6@zeus.hayloft.office>
Message-ID:
Hi Norman,
I'm targeting Excel 97 and up. I didn't know about the "SpreadsheetML
schema", I'll have a look. I haven't had a chance to test over the week-end,
but I'll be able to run a few tests tomorrow and I'll include this.
Thanks for the tips everyone! I'll let you know what I decide on.
Rick.
On 2/27/06, Norman Beresford wrote:
>
> Hi Rick
>
> What version of Excel are you targetting? If it's the latest versions
> then create your spreadsheets as XML documents using the SpreadsheetML
> schema, which allows you full control over formatting.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/office/xml/default.mspx
>
> Norman
>
From tstadler at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 17:50:14 2006
From: tstadler at gmail.com (Todd Stadler)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:50:14 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Link and title accessibility
In-Reply-To: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net>
References: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net>
Message-ID: <7ab303120602271550u4e4e1c4bxea4050c4fa5597e9@mail.gmail.com>
On 2/27/06, Andreas Wahlin wrote:
> If you have a link where the link-text is exactly the same as you
> imagine the title-text to be, you should omit the title attribut right?
I think so -- no need to be redundant.
> MIT abbr>
This would seem to fall under "redundant", so I wouldn't do it. It's
important to know that MIT stands for Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, so I'd keep it as the abbr title.
> Also, as a side note, titles such as
> title="Go to Massachusetts Institute of Technology homepage"
> must be quite unneccesary, as everyone knows that links go to homepages.
> title="Massachusetts Institute of Technology"
> Should suffice, right?
Not all links go to home pages, of course, but for those that do, I
tend not to give any title attribute, assuming that the anchor text is
self-explanatory.
Links to non-home pages or links whose anchor text is not
self-explanatory are ones that need a title attribute.
Whether these are best practices or merely mine is up for debate.
--
Todd Stadler, tstadler at gmail.com
"You try to warn them that the world's gone mad, but they won't listen
to you" -Snoopy
From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Mon Feb 27 18:05:33 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:05:33 -0800
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
Message-ID:
> I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and
> have it up at
> http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think?
it's gorgeous
I miss the building shot on the home page, but I'm an architecture freak
so that may just be me; the grapes are luscious and made me scroll down
to see the rest of the page
nice balance of your own ideas and feedback from thelist
joel
From steven.pierce at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 00:19:09 2006
From: steven.pierce at gmail.com (Steven Pierce)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:19:09 -0800
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
<006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
Message-ID: <6e0cf1cc0602272219h110e9ae5k1b43eeb18c72cc@mail.gmail.com>
I agree with the other one. I like the building shot much, much better. I
think that
the grapes are good, but that really made the site stand out. I like it
though, it is
easy on the eyes, and it allows you to look at the entire site.
Steven
On 2/27/06, Rachell Coe wrote:
>
> I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up
> at
> http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think?
>
>
>
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From mrmazda at ij.net Tue Feb 28 01:00:50 2006
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:00:50 -0500
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
References: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
Message-ID: <4403F522.20705@ij.net>
On 06/02/27 17:48 Rachell Coe apparently typed:
> I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up at
> http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think?
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/rachec1.jpg
Quite attractive. Too small text. Note in the screenshot the significant
difference in size between your page's P text and the size that works
best for me (28px, ~12pt).
If you're going to size text in pt, you need to be aware of the problems
caused by doing so. First, IE users cannot resize your text with their
browser's text resizer widget, and that amounts to poor accessibility.
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/accessibility.html
file:///G|/WWW/auth/defaultsize.html
Second, You've specified the largest commonly available web font as
first choice, but smaller fonts as alternates. As common as it is,
Verdana is neither universally installed, nor universally liked.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html If you must
specify font-families for ordinary content P text, and for this very
reason it's best not to, the only suitable comparably large size
alternates for Verdana I'm aware of are DejaVu Sans, and Bitstream Vera
Sans. but you've used the noticably smaller Arial, and the erratic but
typically smaller Helvetica.
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/images/fonts-comps-verdariahelv.png
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-comps-verdariahelv.html
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/images/font-verdvhelve.html
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/font-verd-v-helve.html
Third, studies have shown users overwhelmingly prefer 12pt to 10pt.
Examples can be found at
http://psychology.wichita.edu/optimalweb/text.htm and
http://www.unc.edu/~jkullama/inls181/final/font.html Elsewhere you can
see your 10pt choice is the recommended minimum, the size below which no
text on a page should go. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20020819.html
Fourth, in addition to the non-resizability problem for IE users, pt
simply shouldn't be used for sizing screen media text. First, it
disregards user preferences.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/fontsize.html Second, pt sizes
depend on DPI, which is almost never correctly configured on personal
computers, leading to unpredictable rendered sizes that typically have
little relationship to what users want or the size the author thinks
will result. http://hsivonen.iki.fi/units/
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From mrmazda at ij.net Tue Feb 28 01:18:43 2006
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:18:43 -0500
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To: <4403F522.20705@ij.net>
References: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> <4403F522.20705@ij.net>
Message-ID: <4403F953.6040309@ij.net>
On 06/02/28 02:00 Felix Miata apparently typed:
> file:///G|/WWW/auth/defaultsize.html
Oops. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/defaultsize.html
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From andreaswahlin at bredband.net Tue Feb 28 02:28:47 2006
From: andreaswahlin at bredband.net (Andreas Wahlin)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:28:47 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Link and title accessibility
In-Reply-To: <7ab303120602271550u4e4e1c4bxea4050c4fa5597e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net>
<7ab303120602271550u4e4e1c4bxea4050c4fa5597e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <250D5073-5479-4EC2-B08B-5732389A0208@bredband.net>
> This would seem to fall under "redundant", so I wouldn't do it. It's
> important to know that MIT stands for Massachusetts Institute of
> Technology, so I'd keep it as the abbr title.
>
So you'd suggest dropping the link title and keep the abbr-tag?
Never thought of that possibility :)
> Whether these are best practices or merely mine is up for debate.
Seems like we have the same ideas at least :)
Andreas
From rob.smith at lexjet.com Tue Feb 28 07:10:32 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:10:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4C95@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
I'm being picky here and this is something you can do on your spare
time, but look at http://www.4thegrapes.com/Graphics.htm once more.
There's one tiny problem with the "fixed" graphic. Don't let it "shadow"
what you're currently working on.
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org)
From codepo8 at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 07:33:07 2006
From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:33:07 +0000
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
<006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0602280533o27928e1elb49035f58851161d@mail.gmail.com>
> I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up at
> http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think?
I am missing a "you are here" state in the navigation. The current
site should just not link to itself.
I'd also be very careful about pricing information. Many a time I had
?200 in my head and got ?1500 after asking the client to come up with
an offer.
I hate mailto: links, especially if they are a part of the main
navigation. I am not always on my computer and I don't always have a
mail client at hand (mobile phone). Either own up and just show your
email or do a real contact form.
--
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Writing: http://icant.co.uk/
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From info at jayonline.co.uk Tue Feb 28 07:49:29 2006
From: info at jayonline.co.uk (KJ Callender)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:49:29 -0000
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4C95@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
Message-ID: <002201c63c6d$ccf2e4d0$0400a8c0@kjc>
Hi,
You could try having more intuitive main navigation links, by putting title
tags in the HTML code. web
And your "back to top" links can be linked to the wrapper ID tag,
HTH,
Kevin (Jim) Callender
http://www.jayonline.co.uk
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I'm being picky here and this is something you can do on your spare
time, but look at http://www.4thegrapes.com/Graphics.htm once more.
There's one tiny problem with the "fixed" graphic. Don't let it "shadow"
what you're currently working on.
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
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From codepo8 at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 08:13:40 2006
From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:13:40 +0000
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To: <002201c63c6d$ccf2e4d0$0400a8c0@kjc>
References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4C95@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
<002201c63c6d$ccf2e4d0$0400a8c0@kjc>
Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0602280613p54e9c27awdac2097519369377@mail.gmail.com>
> You could try having more intuitive main navigation links, by putting title
> tags in the HTML code. web
Attributes, title attributes. The title tag is a different thing and
is only once in a document. Title attribute helpfulness is debateable,
too. As a visual user I cannot really be bothered for some tooltip to
appear and most blind people have title attribute reading turned off
because too any people used them for pointless repetition.
From rob.smith at lexjet.com Tue Feb 28 08:23:57 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:23:57 -0500
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4D1A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
I'd also be very careful about pricing information. Many a time I had
?200 in my head and got ?1500 after asking the client to come up with
an offer.
I have to second this. I've learned the hard way not to give out consultant type pricing information. It's fine to give host pricing information just because it's a price war niche. You will lose every time if you give your consultant prices first; let the clients decide. If it's too much, celebrate. If it's too little, then say that that price will cover X number of Y total features "you" wanted. Would you like to roll this project out in phases? You get the idea.
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org)
From psm2713 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 28 08:56:09 2006
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:56:09 -0700
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
Message-ID:
Hi Rachell
>I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up at
>http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think?
Spectacular. A physical address, assuming that it is not a home address,
might help.
Ken
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From aspnet at thecrookstons.com Tue Feb 28 10:40:30 2006
From: aspnet at thecrookstons.com (Casey)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:40:30 -0600
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET / VB.NET URL to String
Message-ID: <01c001c63c85$b02c2d80$6564a8c0@Papabear>
Is it possible to grab the current URL and place it into a string?
Casey
From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Feb 28 11:05:36 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:36 -0700
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET / VB.NET URL to String
Message-ID:
More or less... You could grab the following:
1) Request.ServerVariables("SERVER_NAME")
2) Request.ServerVariables("PATH_INFO")
or Request.ServerVariables("URL")
3) Request.QueryString.ToString()
or Request.ServerVariables("QUERY_STRING")
Further, you might be able to replace 2 and 3 with
Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_X_REWRITE_URL "), but I'm not sure how common that is.
One last point: if you're not sure whether the URL is secure or not, check Request.ServerVariables("HTTPS") (value is "on" or "off").
Cheers,
Peter
From: "Casey" aspnet at thecrookstons.com
Is it possible to grab the current URL and place it into a string?
Casey
From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Feb 28 11:47:00 2006
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:47:00 -0800
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0602280533o27928e1elb49035f58851161d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
<30bd6ffd0602280533o27928e1elb49035f58851161d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44048C94.50904@neptunewebworks.com>
Christian Heilmann wrote:
>>http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think?
> I hate mailto: links, especially if they are a part of the main
> navigation. I am not always on my computer and I don't always have a
> mail client at hand (mobile phone). Either own up and just show your
> email or do a real contact form.
+1 on this. Even when I am using my regular machine, it's distracting
to have a new window open unexpectedly when I click that email link.
I've made a habit of making a contact form that includes company
telephone and postal info, and a simple form to send a message. The
email address is thus not exposed to spambots, and the users have their
choice of how to make contact. Some would rather pick up the phone,
after all.
btw, those labels on the "graphics" page are gorgeous.
--
Max Schwanekamp
http://www.neptunewebworks.com/
From mail at kentrygiel.com Tue Feb 28 12:36:05 2006
From: mail at kentrygiel.com (mail at kentrygiel.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:36:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <39229.66.207.217.226.1141151765.squirrel@mail.wedohosting.com>
Hi Rachel,
I like the site very much. You did a great job and it has been a pleasure
to watch the designs evolve (I'm glad that you got rid of the purple
background). Less is more, clean is better, yada yada. Anyways, my two
cents this time around is that you might consider moving the "Winery
Website Reports" link or at least driving that link to a pop-up window. My
eye is drawn to that link first, and when I clicked on it and ended up on
a new site, I lost my bearings. I think it must break some sort of
usability principles for the primary entery link on a site to drive away
from the site. Secondly, I'd love to see you soften the white by replacing
it with a warmer off-white so as it enhance the earthy organic theme. But
that is me being picky. Lastly, I too was a big fan of the architectural
vineyard pic.
Nice job,
Kent
From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Tue Feb 28 13:06:51 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:06:51 -0800
Subject: [thelist] safely deleting MSSQL old backups
Message-ID:
I'm slightly paranoid since I'm dealing with our most important data
here.
We've got good SQL backups, off to tape and verified. That system is
tight enough that we've set the SQL backup to only retain two days'
backups. But there are still almost two months BAK and TRN files.
It seemed like when I changed the other maintenance plans the old BAK
and TRN files dropped off. Didn't happen with these.
I'd regain 50GB of space on a 200GB partition if I nuked the old BAK and
TRN files. I just don't wanna do that without a better understanding of
possible repercussions.
Can I just delete the unneeded files from the Windows directory
structure, or is there a better way?
joel
From michaels at adobe.com Tue Feb 28 18:33:14 2006
From: michaels at adobe.com (Michael Slater)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:33:14 -0800
Subject: [thelist] IE vs. Firefox display difference (follow-up)
Message-ID: <006301c63cc7$ba17fad0$9df1070a@sea.adobe.com>
Thanks for those who replied to my message of a couple days ago (repeated
below) about an IE display bug. There were two solutions offered: absolute
positioning the div, and setting overflow:hidden. I didn't want to absolute
position it, because that would take it out of the flow and cause other
issues. I had already tried adding overflow:hidden to the offending div --
the one that contains a photo that should get truncated as the windows
narrows -- and this didn't work.
But prompted by the suggestion that the answer should lie there somewhere, I
tried wrapping everything in another div and giving that div the
overflow:hidden setting, and this has solved this problem. Thanks! I'm still
fighting some spacing bugs but at least the bugs are more minor now...
If anyone wants to take a look at the end results, the site is
www.BoatingSF.com, and and an example of the page with this issue is
www.BoatingSF.com/photopage.php?photo=402.
Michael
-----------------------
Original message:
I'm struggling with a display behavior that I'm hoping folks on the list
will recognize.
Take a look at www.boatingsf.com/test.html. Try it in IE and in Firefox, and
try narrowing your window size as you look at it in each.
There is a fixed-width div floated to the left, and then a picture in a div
that sits next to it. It is a very simple piece of code:
IE display bug test
As long as the window is big enough to display the whole picture, Firefox
1.5 and IE 6 both show the same, expected behavior. But if the window is too
narrow to display it all, Firefox just truncates the right edge of the
picture (which is the behavior I want), whereas IE knocks the start of the
image down below the end of the left bar (which is a big problem!).
Am I doing something wrong here? Or is there a bug in IE that I need to work
around?
Thanks,
Michael Slater
From email at timburgan.com Wed Mar 1 05:11:49 2006
From: email at timburgan.com (Tim Burgan)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:41:49 +1030
Subject: [thelist] IIS help
Message-ID: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com>
Hello
In IIS:
1. How can a make all traffic to
example.com redirect to www.example.com?
2. When I visit (note secure server) https://www.example.com my website
displays perfectly, via SSL, but if I visit https://example.com (note:
no www's), I get an error message saying the secure certificate belongs
to a different domain - https://WWW.example.com
Is this a problem with something setup in IIS?
How can I fix this issue, without redirecting example.com to
www.example.com?
Thanks for your help
Tim
From evolt at cubeit.co.uk Wed Mar 1 05:47:41 2006
From: evolt at cubeit.co.uk (Chris Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:47:41 -0000
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
Message-ID:
Hi,
I'm looking for a simple FTP Schedule solution to backup data from live
websites. Ideally what I'd like to achieve is:
- backup tasks to start at specified time
- backup system to create a new folder named with current date
- bunch of specified files and folders from different FTP locations to be
downloaded into new folder
- task ends
What would be even better is if the system could create a new folder named
with the current date then create folders within this with each domain we
backup eg.
Create Folder '060301'
Create Folder 'domain.com'
Download 'database.mdb'
Download 'image uploads folder'
Create Folder 'domain2.com'
Download 'database.mdb'
Etc.
There are plenty of FTP programs which allow macros/scheduling but I have
yet to find a way of dynamically creating the folder with current date to
download to.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Chris.
From Magnus.Joensson at jensofsweden.com Wed Mar 1 07:30:16 2006
From: Magnus.Joensson at jensofsweden.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Magnus_J=F6nsson?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:30:16 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls
Message-ID: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com>
Hey,
Microsoft wants us to tweak our pages, and it's making me nauseous.
I read some disturbing news about IE's Active X controls today, due to some legal issues with a patent Microsoft has changed the way of implementing active x controls which no longer allows for automatic start of an Active X control. The user will forced to an extra click for a Flash file to start playing.
I'm hoping I have misunderstood this but it doesn't look like it. Sounds like a nightmare to me, apparently the only way to get around it would be to use an external JavaScript which is more or less outrageous to do if you ask me.
This update will be available through Microsoft Security patches and they expect the majority to have this update within 6 months.
Can somebody please tell me I'm wrong? ;)
Here is the news at CNET:
http://news.com.com/2100-1032-6044418.html?tag=tb
Here is the MSDN article for how to "fix" this with a little JS:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/activating_activex.asp
Regards
Magnus
From fuzzylizard at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 08:22:02 2006
From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:22:02 -0500
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
In-Reply-To: <4405a518.44025d45.0e8a.4203SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com>
References:
<4405a518.44025d45.0e8a.4203SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On 3/1/06, Chris Dempsey wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a simple FTP Schedule solution to backup data from live
> websites. Ideally what I'd like to achieve is:
>
> - backup tasks to start at specified time
> - backup system to create a new folder named with current date
> - bunch of specified files and folders from different FTP locations to be
> downloaded into new folder
> - task ends
>
> What would be even better is if the system could create a new folder named
> with the current date then create folders within this with each domain we
> backup eg.
>
> Create Folder '060301'
> Create Folder 'domain.com'
> Download 'database.mdb'
> Download 'image uploads folder'
> Create Folder 'domain2.com'
> Download 'database.mdb'
>
>
If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the ability to
run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do everything
that you mentioned above.
Chris
--
www.fuzzylizard.com
From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 08:54:01 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:54:01 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FE97@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
Hi,
Take a sample order (Order, SKU, Warehouse, Location):
1234 ____ ABC ____ A ____ 2
1234 ____ ADE ____ C ____ 40
1235 ____ EEF ____ C ____ 55
1236 ____ EEJ ____ A ____ 1
1236 ____ JJK ____ A ____ 1
How do I narrow this list down to show all orders that had at least one
"A" location in it?
Thanks,
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org)
From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Wed Mar 1 09:00:11 2006
From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:00:11 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help
Message-ID:
What is the schema of the table(s)?
If you table looks has columns for Order,SKU,Warehouse,and Location
And an example row looks like [1234,ABC,2,A] ['A' being the Location
field]
And you want to select all rows that have "A" in the location then
SELECT DISTINCT Order from table_name where Location='A'
Or
SELECT Order FROM table_name WHERE location='A' GROUP BY Order
James c
-----Original Message-----
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To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help
Hi,
Take a sample order (Order, SKU, Warehouse, Location):
1234 ____ ABC ____ A ____ 2
1234 ____ ADE ____ C ____ 40
1235 ____ EEF ____ C ____ 55
1236 ____ EEJ ____ A ____ 1
1236 ____ JJK ____ A ____ 1
How do I narrow this list down to show all orders that had at least one
"A" location in it?
Thanks,
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association
(www.pdia.org)
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From bernhardt.7 at osu.edu Wed Mar 1 09:00:45 2006
From: bernhardt.7 at osu.edu (Matthew Bernhardt)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:00:45 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help
In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FE97@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FE97@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
Message-ID:
SELECT * (or field list)
FROM (yourtable)
WHERE Warehouse LIKE 'A*'
The wildcard you use in your WHERE statement will depend on what db you're
using. Access, I think, uses * while MySQL uses %. Check the documentation
for your db.
Hope this helps,
Matt
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:54:01 -0500, Rob Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Take a sample order (Order, SKU, Warehouse, Location):
> 1234 ____ ABC ____ A ____ 2
> 1234 ____ ADE ____ C ____ 40
> 1235 ____ EEF ____ C ____ 55
> 1236 ____ EEJ ____ A ____ 1
> 1236 ____ JJK ____ A ____ 1
>
> How do I narrow this list down to show all orders that had at least one
> "A" location in it?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Rob Smith
> LexJet
> rob.smith at lexjet.com
> http://www.lexjet.com
> (800)453-9538
> (941)330-1210 Int'l
> (941)330-1220 Fax
> 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
> Sarasota, FL 34236
>
> Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association
> (www.pdia.org)
>
>
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From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Wed Mar 1 09:07:59 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:07:59 -0800
Subject: [thelist] how to direct visitors to separate sites based on booking
agent
Message-ID:
One of my bands is having flyers printed, and wants to give each of
their booking agents a personalized version of the site for visitors to
go to: if I hand out a flyer/brochure, it should direct them to a site
with my photo and logo, my email and phone, etc.
For the life of me I can't come up with a simple method to do this that
would make sense to the average *extremely* non-technical person.
Subdomains? I'm guessing if people saw http://joel.example.com/ they'd
either be confused or just remember 'example.com' sending their traffic
to the main site instead of the agent's site.
Buy new domains for each agent? The client is willing.
Redirect based on the query string? I hate publishing a url like "Visit
us online at example.com/index.asp?id=32" (side question: would
"example.com/id=32" be equivalent?)
Ideas? Feel free to think outside the box. This doesn't have to be a web
solution; anything to allow each booking agent to more or less keep
track of their own prospects. As the band pulls more for each gig, it's
becoming a decent bit o' cash per, and we need to keep it straight.
thanks
spinhead
From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 09:08:23 2006
From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:08:23 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls
In-Reply-To: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com>
References: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com>
Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0603010708u15de7669x9e2646121ff28bb0@mail.gmail.com>
> Microsoft wants us to tweak our pages, and it's making me nauseous.
> I read some disturbing news about IE's Active X controls today, due to some legal issues with a patent Microsoft has changed the way of implementing active x controls which no longer allows for automatic start of an Active X control. The user will forced to an extra click for a Flash file to start playing.
> I'm hoping I have misunderstood this but it doesn't look like it. Sounds like a nightmare to me, apparently the only way to get around it would be to use an external JavaScript which is more or less outrageous to do if you ask me.
> This update will be available through Microsoft Security patches and they expect the majority to have this update within 6 months.
> Can somebody please tell me I'm wrong? ;)
> Here is the news at CNET:
> http://news.com.com/2100-1032-6044418.html?tag=tb
> Here is the MSDN article for how to "fix" this with a little JS:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/activating_activex.asp
Seems genuine enough. God the quality of the fixes is just appalling.
Why don't they check what is going on and offer UFO as a solution?
http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/
--
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Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com
Writing: http://icant.co.uk/
Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/
From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 09:18:55 2006
From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:18:55 +0000
Subject: [thelist] how to direct visitors to separate sites based on
booking agent
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0603010718h2d445d93s597901ade6877ec0@mail.gmail.com>
Why not mod_rewrite to allow for something like
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/succeed
http://www.example.com/agent1
http://www.example.com/agentx
http://www.example.com/agent4
I'd be careful to change the domain for each branding. After all I
presume you want to promote example.com aswell
Subdomains seem to get more mainstream by now, we had some clients
prefer them. I think it might be google who did it.
From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Mar 1 09:28:31 2006
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:28:31 +0200
Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website
Message-ID: <4405BD9F.9050704@netvision.net>
I am the classic case of the shoeless sandal maker--a web developer with
no website. :)
After several years, however, I have finally made for myself a site.
Could be because I am slightly 'between projects' at present, but that's
another story. :)
The official version is here:
http://web.galleryrobinson.com/
and the alternative design is here:
http://galleryrobinson.com/web2/
If I may ask a few questions of my esteemed colleagues:
1 Which design do you like better?
2 Does anyone know how to get rid of the space above the navigation bar
in Firefox? In IE6 it doesn't show up. Or maybe you think it looks good
like that? :)
The CSS is here: http://web.galleryrobinson.com/main.css
3 I checked this in IE6 and FF1.5 on Win2K. If anyone can check on any
other browsers I would appreciate that.
The content is still minimal and needs to be developed further, but the
basic information is anyhow there.
Any feedback whatsoever is appreciated. I personally think the graphics
are not bad for a programmer-type like myself. Perhaps the green would
be better if it were more yellow like the navigation links--color is my
weak point. The graphics anyhow are built with POV-Ray.
Thank you,
Hershel
PS: Felix Miata, I am looking into the issues you raised yesterday
regarding Verdana. For the time being, it is the font I used however.
From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 09:57:42 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:57:42 -0500
Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
I personally like the first one. It's more visually appealing to the
eye. POV-Ray can give you much more than a few spheres's which mean...?
Sure it looks cool.
My advice, and I'll admit that I haven't looked at the css file, is to
keep your margin's, padding's to 0px using lists as you are.
To get rid of the space in FF, no it doesn't look ok, try and remove the
carriage returns in the code. For example:
-
Will look differently in some cases written as:
-
Odd, but true,
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org)
From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 10:16:10 2006
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:16:10 -0500
Subject: [thelist] useability books
Message-ID:
Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone learning useability.
From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Wed Mar 1 10:16:53 2006
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:16:53 +0000
Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website
In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
Message-ID: <4405C8F5.8010002@boldfish.co.uk>
Rob Smith wrote:
> I personally like the first one. It's more visually appealing to the
> eye. POV-Ray can give you much more than a few spheres's which mean...?
> Sure it looks cool.
>
> My advice, and I'll admit that I haven't looked at the css file, is to
> keep your margin's, padding's to 0px using lists as you are.
>
> To get rid of the space in FF, no it doesn't look ok, try and remove the
> carriage returns in the code. For example:
>
>
>
> -
>
> Will look differently in some cases written as:
>
>
-
>
> Odd, but true,
might also be a margin-collapse problem.
adding padding: 1px 0 0 0 to #navcontainer or border-top: 1px solid
#666 cures the gap but exposes the problems with the default margins
on the ul#navlist - curable by #navlist{margin: -1px 0 0 0;}
ymmv
;o)
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From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 10:21:24 2006
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:21:24 +0200
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
In-Reply-To:
References: <4405a518.44025d45.0e8a.4203SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs:
http://www.natso-backup.com/
it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc.
it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag.
HTH,
--
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+>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/
+> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
From evolt at markgroen.com Wed Mar 1 10:21:11 2006
From: evolt at markgroen.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:21:11 -0800
Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website
In-Reply-To: <4405BD9F.9050704@netvision.net>
References: <4405BD9F.9050704@netvision.net>
Message-ID: <1141230071.2766.9.camel@mark>
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:28 +0200, Hershel Robinson wrote:
> The official version is here:
> http://web.galleryrobinson.com/
>
> and the alternative design is here:
> http://galleryrobinson.com/web2/
> 1 Which design do you like better?
The first one.
> 2 Does anyone know how to get rid of the space above the navigation bar
> in Firefox? In IE6 it doesn't show up. Or maybe you think it looks good
> like that? :)
I like the see-through effect. To get rid of the space though...it's
caused by default padding values, put this at the top of your style
sheets first and those troubles go away:
* {margin:0px; padding:0px; }
>
> 3 I checked this in IE6 and FF1.5 on Win2K. If anyone can check on any
> other browsers I would appreciate that.
Looks fine on *nix FF, Opera, IE/Wine etc.as long as the default
padding/margin is taken out. In Opera, you have an additional gap below
the header div otherwise, also in Opera the opacity filter on the h1
doesn't work, not sure what that's about.
--
cheers,
Mark
From morrison.ben at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 10:25:21 2006
From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:25:21 +0000
Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website
In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
Message-ID: <6073aef90603010825g23acc6cr240823a64624a847@mail.gmail.com>
On 3/1/06, Rob Smith wrote:
>
> My advice, and I'll admit that I haven't looked at the css file, is to
> keep your margin's, padding's to 0px using lists as you are.
Yes, you haven't reset the margin/padding value for your #navlist.
ul#navlist {
margin:0;
padding:0;
}
Although you zero most of the items at the top of your CSS you miss
out UL and LI.
Here is the original article that discusses global resets (its good to
add some margins/paddings back in), which may be of use to others:
http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/19/global-ws-reset/
ben
From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Wed Mar 1 10:28:38 2006
From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:28:38 -0500
Subject: [thelist] useability books
Message-ID:
Generalized software usability or website / web application usability
specifically?
I think Jakob Nielsen has written a few books
http://www.useit.com/jakob/
His site is http://www.useit.com/alertbox/
I don't necessarily agree with everything he says though. I don't like
how his website is organized or displayed for example isn't the prime
example of usability IMHO.
james c.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:16 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] useability books
Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone learning
useability.
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From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 10:31:29 2006
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:31:29 -0500
Subject: [thelist] useability books
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
website useability
On 3/1/06, James Conley wrote:
> Generalized software usability or website / web application usability
> specifically?
>
> I think Jakob Nielsen has written a few books
> http://www.useit.com/jakob/
> His site is http://www.useit.com/alertbox/
>
> I don't necessarily agree with everything he says though. I don't like
> how his website is organized or displayed for example isn't the prime
> example of usability IMHO.
>
> james c.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Dan McCullough
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:16 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] useability books
>
> Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone learning
> useability.
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From RPringle at aurora-il.org Wed Mar 1 10:35:49 2006
From: RPringle at aurora-il.org (Pringle, Ron)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:35:49 -0600
Subject: [thelist] useability books
Message-ID: <4A27645B1A4F4D4181909FA5D213FEF4EB5162@coaexb.coa.aurora-il.org>
Dan McCullough wrote:
> Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone
> learning useability.
> --
"Defensive Design for the Web: How to Improve Error Messages, Help,
Forms, and Other Crisis Points" by 37 Signals, published by New Riders,
ISBN 0-7357-1410-X
Ron
From mrsanders at designshift.com Wed Mar 1 10:37:01 2006
From: mrsanders at designshift.com (Sarah Adams)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:37:01 -0400
Subject: [thelist] useability books
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4405CDAD.1010306@designshift.com>
>> Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone learning
Don't Make Me Think, by Steve Krug
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321344758/sr=8-1/qid=1141230932/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-0209632-0084059?%5Fencoding=UTF8
Great book - short, sweet, and to the point.
--
sarah adams
web developer & programmer
portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com
blog: http://hardedge.ca
From michaelpack at wvdhhr.org Wed Mar 1 10:40:26 2006
From: michaelpack at wvdhhr.org (Michael Pack)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:40:26 -0500
Subject: [thelist] SQL Query Help
Message-ID:
Hi all, I'm stuck a bit and drawing blanks.
My query is...
SELECT COUNT(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp) AS ComplianceData,
dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId, dbo.tbl_facility.txtAgencyName,
dbo.tbl_facility.name,
dbo.tbl_facility.id
FROM dbo.tbl_audit INNER JOIN
dbo.tbl_facility ON dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId =
dbo.tbl_facility.id
WHERE (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp >= '20060201') AND
(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp < '20060228') AND
(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp -
CAST(FLOOR(CAST(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp AS float)) AS datetime)
BETWEEN '00:00:00:000' AND '10:00:01:000')
GROUP BY dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId, dbo.tbl_facility.txtAgencyName,
dbo.tbl_facility.name, dbo.tbl_facility.id
This returns the records starting at 1, showing me the "Agencies" that
meet the criteria. How would grab and return the records that have a 0
COUNT within the same query? I need to show the "Agencies" that have not
met the criteria as well.
TIA
From pchen at jiethics.org Wed Mar 1 10:47:35 2006
From: pchen at jiethics.org (Peter Chen)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:47:35 -0800
Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4?
Message-ID:
In deciding to take the PHP plunge, I'm curious, do most developers out
there still use v4 or v5? And is v5 backwards compatible w/ v4? Thanks
in advance for any feedback out there.
-Peter
From akamm at demicooper.com Wed Mar 1 10:52:29 2006
From: akamm at demicooper.com (Andrew Kamm)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:52:29 -0600
Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
> In deciding to take the PHP plunge, I'm curious, do most developers out
> there still use v4 or v5? And is v5 backwards compatible w/ v4? Thanks
> in advance for any feedback out there.
If you're doing very simple things like contact forms, PHP4 is sufficient.
If you really want to get into PHP and have some better functions to work
with, PHP5 is the way to go. PHP5 is also much better for larger application
development (much better OOP support).
You might have a harder time finding a host with PHP5 if you're using shared
hosting though.
--
Andrew Kamm
From Anthony at Baratta.com Wed Mar 1 11:18:26 2006
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:18:26 -0800
Subject: [thelist] IIS help
In-Reply-To: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com>
References: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com>
Message-ID: <4405D762.9070705@Baratta.com>
Tim Burgan wrote:
>
> 1. How can a make all traffic to
> example.com redirect to www.example.com?
>
> 2. When I visit (note secure server) https://www.example.com my website
> displays perfectly, via SSL, but if I visit https://example.com (note:
> no www's), I get an error message saying the secure certificate belongs
> to a different domain - https://WWW.example.com
There are two ways off the top of my head:
One: setup a virtual web service with the host header of example.com. In
the IIS properties for that site, setup a permanent redirect to the
www.example.com site. You can setup the redirect so that it retains the
full URL and querystring.
Two: with-in your code (and just for the SSL enable pages) look for the
HTTP Environment Variable "HTTPS" the values are on / off. If off,
redirect to the https URL.
--
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys
"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."
From evolt at cubeit.co.uk Wed Mar 1 11:37:43 2006
From: evolt at cubeit.co.uk (Chris Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:37:43 -0000
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
> http://www.natso-backup.com/
I'll check this out.
> If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the ability to
> run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do
> everything that you mentioned above.
It?s Windows boxes we host on.
Thanks guys.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
> bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK
> Sent: 01 March 2006 16:21
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
>
> I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs:
>
> http://www.natso-backup.com/
>
> it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc.
>
> it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag.
>
> HTH,
> --
> Volkan Ozcelik
> +>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/
> +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
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From evolt at brasscannon.net Wed Mar 1 11:42:00 2006
From: evolt at brasscannon.net (Kevin Martin)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:42:00 -0800
Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website
Message-ID: <20060301174200.GA21633@brasscannon.net>
Quoth Hershel Robinson
> [...] The official version is here:
> http://web.galleryrobinson.com/
>
> and the alternative design is here:
> http://galleryrobinson.com/web2/
>
> I checked this in IE6 and FF1.5 on Win2K. If anyone can check on any
> other browsers I would appreciate that.
Works in Konqueror on Linux; the layout is about the way you see it in
Firefox. Nice liquidity when shrinking the window width. No alpha
channel/transparency on the banner, though, which Firefox 1.5 has.
The attempt at a drop-shadow effect on "Web Services" in the second
design fails miserably in both my browsers... sorry. The first example
is much better IMO.
I agree with a prior note, that the break between the banner and navbar
is a "happy accident" that emphasizes the see-through effect. Now that
you know what caused it, I'd be tempted to keep it!
Good variety of designs in the portfolio, too.
From steven.pierce at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 12:38:24 2006
From: steven.pierce at gmail.com (Steven Pierce)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:38:24 -0800
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
In-Reply-To: <4405dc18.355ce5e5.4996.2da8SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com>
References:
<4405dc18.355ce5e5.4996.2da8SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e0cf1cc0603011038te9354c6xf5c0e60ae2f6d6af@mail.gmail.com>
Task scheduler can really powerful. I work for a small windows consulting
shop, and we use task scheduler to do some of the back up's. It is then
moved to a second drive (USB External). It then sends a report to our
server so that we can view it to make sure it ran. It will give you date
and time, or just day of the week. We currently have it run on Monday
evening about 2 am.
HTH...
On 3/1/06, Chris Dempsey wrote:
>
> > http://www.natso-backup.com/
> I'll check this out.
>
> > If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the ability
> to
> > run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do
> > everything that you mentioned above.
> It's Windows boxes we host on.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
> > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK
> > Sent: 01 March 2006 16:21
> > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
> >
> > I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs:
> >
> > http://www.natso-backup.com/
> >
> > it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc.
> >
> > it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag.
> >
> > HTH,
> > --
> > Volkan Ozcelik
> > +>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/
> > +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
> > --
> >
> > * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
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> >
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>
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From jdowdell at adobe.com Wed Mar 1 13:15:14 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:15:14 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls
In-Reply-To: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com>
References: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com>
Message-ID: <4405F2C2.9040109@adobe.com>
Magnus J?nsson wrote:
> Microsoft wants us to tweak our pages, and it's making me nauseous.
> I read some disturbing news about IE's Active X controls today, due to some legal issues with a patent Microsoft has changed the way of implementing active x controls which no longer allows for automatic start of an Active X control. The user will forced to an extra click for a Flash file to start playing.
> I'm hoping I have misunderstood this but it doesn't look like it. Sounds like a nightmare to me, apparently the only way to get around it would be to use an external JavaScript which is more or less outrageous to do if you ask me.
> This update will be available through Microsoft Security patches and they expect the majority to have this update within 6 months.
True. I didn't know they'd be shipping this morning, as an option on
Windows Update, but the build has been on MSDN for awhile.
What changes? Controls will display as before, but will need to be
clicked on before interactivity takes place. I haven't installed that
version of Internet Explorer yet, but it sounds similar to what you'd do
for keyboard focus within the browser.
(Many people already use external JavaScript to write OBJECT/EMBED tags,
to make documents which pass the W3C validators, and in most such cases
the browser change will have no effect on their existing sites.)
For more info, with specifics on Adobe-related browser extensions, see
the FAQ in the Adobe Active Content Developer Center:
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/faq.html
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/
jd
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From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 13:37:47 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:37:47 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE01910065@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
Hi,
Is there something you can use in the like clause that will match 5
numerical digits. The closest thing I've come up with so far is where
field like '_____'. Bottom line, I'm trying to cross the customer's zip
code to our preferred warehouse locations. We have the entire table of
zip code ranges linked to ware house locations. There's no "ID" to link
the two tables together, so I'm linking a range of values together.
Gracias,
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org)
From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Mar 1 14:02:50 2006
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:02:50 +0200
Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website
In-Reply-To: <20060301174200.GA21633@brasscannon.net>
References: <20060301174200.GA21633@brasscannon.net>
Message-ID: <4405FDEA.7090500@netvision.net>
Thank you to everyone who replied.
ben morrison wrote:
> Yes, you haven't reset the margin/padding value for your #navlist.
>
> ul#navlist {
> margin:0;
> padding:0;
> }
Ah, quite right. That was it. I removed the ul from the global reset at
the top for another project and forgot to put it back in. Now it's back
and looks better.
> Here is the original article that discusses global resets (its good to
> add some margins/paddings back in), which may be of use to others:
>
> http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/19/global-ws-reset/
Very nice article. Thank you.
Kevin Martin wrote:
> Good variety of designs in the portfolio, too.
Thank you.
Rob Smith wrote:
> I personally like the first one. It's more visually appealing to the
> eye. POV-Ray can give you much more than a few spheres's which mean...?
> Sure it looks cool.
Yes, POV-Ray is a very complete system, capable of photo-realistic
imaging. I am not, however, a master of it.
I wanted an image that looks, as you put it, "cool." :)
Hershel
From talleman at Lumpsum.com Wed Mar 1 13:56:53 2006
From: talleman at Lumpsum.com (Tab Alleman)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:56:53 -0500
Subject: [thelist] SQL Query Help
Message-ID: <6FFC130317FA8E40ADCB5B2BB8748B56025A2EE4@moose.settlementfunding.local>
UNION with a query that returns "Agencies" that do not meet the criteria?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Pack
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:40 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] SQL Query Help
>
>
> Hi all, I'm stuck a bit and drawing blanks.
>
> My query is...
>
> SELECT COUNT(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp) AS ComplianceData,
> dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId, dbo.tbl_facility.txtAgencyName,
> dbo.tbl_facility.name,
> dbo.tbl_facility.id
> FROM dbo.tbl_audit INNER JOIN
> dbo.tbl_facility ON dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId =
> dbo.tbl_facility.id
> WHERE (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp >= '20060201') AND
> (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp < '20060228') AND
> (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp -
> CAST(FLOOR(CAST(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp AS float)) AS datetime)
> BETWEEN '00:00:00:000' AND '10:00:01:000')
> GROUP BY dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId, dbo.tbl_facility.txtAgencyName,
> dbo.tbl_facility.name, dbo.tbl_facility.id
>
> This returns the records starting at 1, showing me the "Agencies" that
> meet the criteria. How would grab and return the records that have a 0
> COUNT within the same query? I need to show the "Agencies"
> that have not
> met the criteria as well.
>
> TIA
>
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
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From talleman at Lumpsum.com Wed Mar 1 14:04:23 2006
From: talleman at Lumpsum.com (Tab Alleman)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:04:23 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL
Message-ID: <6FFC130317FA8E40ADCB5B2BB8748B56025A2EE5@moose.settlementfunding.local>
I didn't understand your bottom line description of the problem, but you can use SUBSTRING to get each individual character in a varchar field, and use BETWEEN to test whether it's 0-9.
At least that's what I think you're asking in the first sentence...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Rob Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:38 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there something you can use in the like clause that will match 5
> numerical digits. The closest thing I've come up with so far is where
> field like '_____'. Bottom line, I'm trying to cross the
> customer's zip
> code to our preferred warehouse locations. We have the entire table of
> zip code ranges linked to ware house locations. There's no
> "ID" to link
> the two tables together, so I'm linking a range of values together.
>
> Gracias,
>
>
> Rob Smith
> LexJet
> rob.smith at lexjet.com
> http://www.lexjet.com
> (800)453-9538
> (941)330-1210 Int'l
> (941)330-1220 Fax
> 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
> Sarasota, FL 34236
>
> Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging
> Association (www.pdia.org)
>
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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>
From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 14:12:11 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:12:11 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE01910096@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
Here's what I'm trying to get working:
SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT shopper.shopper_id, shopper.Company,
locations_shipping_zips.zip_prefix_start,
locations_shipping_zips.zip_prefix_end,
locations_shipping_zips.listing_rank, shopper.Zip
FROM dbo.lexjet_shopper CROSS JOIN
dbo.lexjet_locations_shipping_zips
WHERE (shopper.Zip BETWEEN locations_shipping_zips.zip_prefix_start
AND
locations_shipping_zips.zip_prefix_end) AND
(shopper.Zip BETWEEN 0 AND 100000) AND
(shopper.Zip LIKE '[#####]')
ORDER BY locations_shipping_zips.listing_rank
But it's also trying to match up a zip code like 91315-3111, which is
breaking the query
I hope this clears up my question,
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org)
From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 14:32:14 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:32:14 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL SOLVED...sort of
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE019100BD@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
The correct 5-digit numerical wildcard match should have been:
shopper.Zip LIKE '[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]'
Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236
Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org)
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 14:33:59 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:33:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] [JavaScript] Advanced JS - go OO on this or not? Hit the
wall...
Message-ID: <20060301203359.31095.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey,
I have this calendar script for a kiosk app we have. The first version was whipped together as
fast as I could build it to work. I'm now going back and optimizing and trying to make it better,
and I thought I might make it an object. I've worked on it most of the day and I've made some
progress, but I've really hit the wall on whether it's worth making an object or not, seeing as
how it works how it is now, and I don't know what I'll gain. Plus, I'm not sure how to proceed. A
quick shot of the page where the calendar is here:
http://pixelmech.com/rev/calshot.gif
(can't post a link, it's kiosk)
The thing works by grabbing some dates off an array written to the page by the server
(scheduleArray[]) and then proceeds to write out the calendar cell by cell. Only weekdays are
selectable that are not holidays, basically.
You can see my code here:
http://pixelmech.com/rev/foo.txt
At the bottom is my beginning of the OO experiment.
I guess I am open to any suggestions to improve this - or stop and leave it or whatever. I've been
looking at this so long, I'm not sure what to do next! Aaaugh!
One thing that concerns me is my nested function (the getCellType() function) and how that would
be implemented in an object. It seems to me I may be using too many private/local vars when most
of the stuff might be able to be properties of the object. Note that the calendar gets rewritten
completely when you select another month or reload the page.
Tom
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From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 14:59:12 2006
From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:59:12 +0000
Subject: [thelist] [JavaScript] Advanced JS - go OO on this or not? Hit
the wall...
In-Reply-To: <20060301203359.31095.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060301203359.31095.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0603011259yd9c522asffcc736aae0354b2@mail.gmail.com>
Calendars are the one thing that repeatedly make developer go bonkers.
Save yourself a headache and style a good one that has already gone
through a lot of testing:
http://developer.yahoo.net/yui/calendar/index.html
From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 15:55:16 2006
From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:55:16 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls
In-Reply-To: <4405F2C2.9040109@adobe.com>
References: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com>
<4405F2C2.9040109@adobe.com>
Message-ID: <4eedb92a0603011355o7dcd71evf611a7875bfe60cb@mail.gmail.com>
On 3/1/06, John Dowdell wrote:
> True. I didn't know they'd be shipping this morning, as an option on
> Windows Update, but the build has been on MSDN for awhile.
! Is this bundled into a "security update"? I'm not seeing anything
that looks like that, and I'd like to get it onto a test machine ASAP.
Or if you've a URL to the MSDN location, that'd also be good, since
I can *never* find anything there... :-)
TIA,
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From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 16:13:48 2006
From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:13:48 -0800
Subject: [thelist] IIS help
In-Reply-To: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com>
References: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com>
Message-ID: <4eedb92a0603011413q2e513087o1bee43da65155de@mail.gmail.com>
On 3/1/06, Tim Burgan wrote:
> In IIS:
immaterial :-)
> 2. When I visit (note secure server) https://www.example.com my website
> displays perfectly, via SSL, but if I visit https://example.com (note:
> no www's), I get an error message saying the secure certificate belongs
> to a different domain - https://WWW.example.com
Which it does; certs are typically issued for *hosts*; example.com
and www.example.com are not the same.
You can buy (more expensive) wild-card certs that'll cover all of
*.example.com.
Otherwise the "fix" will involve redirection -- and it'll have to take
place in http, *not* https mode...
FWIW!
--
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From mwarden at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 16:51:42 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:51:42 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4406257E.6070502@gmail.com>
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James Conley wrote:
> What is the schema of the table(s)?
> If you table looks has columns for Order,SKU,Warehouse,and Location
> And an example row looks like [1234,ABC,2,A] ['A' being the Location
> field]
> And you want to select all rows that have "A" in the location then
> SELECT DISTINCT Order from table_name where Location='A'
>
> Or
>
> SELECT Order FROM table_name WHERE location='A' GROUP BY Order
I interpreted the problem as wanting all records related to an order
where at least one of the records in that order is in location A.
So, if order #1234 has 3 records, only 1 of which is from location A, he
wants all 3 of those records. But if order #1235 has 3 records, none of
which is from location A, then he wants 0 of those records.
Rob, can you confirm?
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From mwarden at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 16:56:41 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:56:41 -0500
Subject: [thelist] [JavaScript] Advanced JS - go OO on this or not? Hit
the wall...
In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0603011259yd9c522asffcc736aae0354b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060301203359.31095.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com>
<30bd6ffd0603011259yd9c522asffcc736aae0354b2@mail.gmail.com>
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Christian Heilmann wrote:
> Calendars are the one thing that repeatedly make developer go bonkers.
> Save yourself a headache and style a good one that has already gone
> through a lot of testing:
>
> http://developer.yahoo.net/yui/calendar/index.html
I'll second this. I was 80% done with my calendar when they released
YUI, and I switched. You can't be afraid to scrap what you've done.
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From robagar at westnet.com.au Wed Mar 1 18:44:29 2006
From: robagar at westnet.com.au (Rob Agar)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:44:29 +1000
Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <44063FED.6040704@westnet.com.au>
Andrew Kamm wrote:
> You might have a harder time finding a host with PHP5 if you're using shared
> hosting though.
true, but it's always worth asking. The host I use (quadra) supplies
php4 as standard, but are happy to switch you over to 5 if you want.
Rob
From sbeam at onsetcorps.net Wed Mar 1 19:11:40 2006
From: sbeam at onsetcorps.net (sbeam)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:11:40 -0500
Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <200603012011.40793.sbeam@onsetcorps.net>
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 11:47 am, Peter Chen wrote:
> And is v5 backwards compatible w/ v4?
the only major area of incompatibility I've found is in XML/DOM
handling. PHP5 does a much much better job of this, with a standard
built-in DOM object as well as the convenient SimpleXML API. But it
doesn't do PHP4's dom_xml, which has been retired (there is an
extension that will do dom_xml in PHP5, but its not recommended)
But if your existing PHP4 code is not doing anything with dom_xml then
it should run just fine under PHP5. There is however a (fairly short)
list of known incompatibles
but nothing
that should require a lot of rewriting.
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From psm2713 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 1 20:47:18 2006
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:47:18 -0700
Subject: [thelist] useability books
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Hi all,
James Conley wrote:
>I think Jakob Nielsen has written a few books
>http://www.useit.com/jakob/
>His site is http://www.useit.com/alertbox/
>
>I don't necessarily agree with everything he says though. I don't like
>how his website is organized or displayed for example isn't the prime
>example of usability IMHO.
Agreed. Ugly, boring sites. The best book, IMHO, has already been mentioned,
"Don't Make Me Think." Also, The Unusally Useful Web Book."
Ken
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From robagar at westnet.com.au Wed Mar 1 21:01:13 2006
From: robagar at westnet.com.au (Rob Agar)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:01:13 +1000
Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <44065FF9.5050903@westnet.com.au>
Peter Chen wrote:
> In deciding to take the PHP plunge, I'm curious, do most developers out
> there still use v4 or v5? And is v5 backwards compatible w/ v4? Thanks
> in advance for any feedback out there.
I greatly prefer v5, for the OO support others have mentioned. The only
backwards compatibility thing that's bitten me is this:
class A
{
...
}
a = new A();
b = a;
in php 5 a and b point to the same object, as in java and c#, but in
php4 b is a *copy* of a.
Rob
From robin.hastings at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 22:34:37 2006
From: robin.hastings at gmail.com (Robin Hastings)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:34:37 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Rental Availability Calendar
Message-ID:
I have been trolling through hotscripts.com and google all night and
have tried out a couple of promising-looking PHP-based calendar
scripts with no luck, so I'm turning to the collective wisdom of the
list to help me out. I'm looking for a calendar script that I can plug
into a web site that can support color-coded categories and multiple
calendars per installation. Single user is fine, I just need something
that a web novice can use to enter in dates that properties are either
available or not available with color codes indicating tentative
reservations and confirmed reservations. I'm about ready to start
rolling my own, but before I do that, I'm hoping that one of you knows
of a script that is out there (preferably for free, but at least less
than $50) that I could use. Thanks, in advance, for your help!!
--
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robin.hastings at gmail.com
http://www.rhastings.net
From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 01:31:18 2006
From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (Jono)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 02:31:18 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Rental Availability Calendar
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
I was looking for the same thing a while back, and settled on this, before
ditching the idea all together:
http://keithdevens.com/software/php_calendar
Might do the trick for you? I am new to PHP, and mostly only use it for
basic includes. This is over my head, but it sounded useful.
--
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Designer | Developer | Illustrator
Charleston Web Solutions
"Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry"
http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com/
From andrew at milords.com Thu Mar 2 03:14:28 2006
From: andrew at milords.com (A Maynes)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:14:28 -0000
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
In-Reply-To: <6e0cf1cc0603011038te9354c6xf5c0e60ae2f6d6af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c63dd9$b5a62540$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am currently
looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file somewhere locally
and then running an upload task (all of this needs to be automated) so
any help/info would be a great help.
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Pierce [mailto:steven.pierce at gmail.com]
Sent: 01 March 2006 18:38
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
Task scheduler can really powerful. I work for a small windows
consulting shop, and we use task scheduler to do some of the
back up's. It is then moved to a second drive (USB External).
It then sends a report to our server so that we can view it to
make sure it ran. It will give you date and time, or just day
of the week. We currently have it run on Monday evening about 2 am.
HTH...
On 3/1/06, Chris Dempsey wrote:
>
> > http://www.natso-backup.com/
> I'll check this out.
>
> > If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the
> > ability
> to
> > run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do
> > everything that you mentioned above.
> It's Windows boxes we host on.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
> > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK
> > Sent: 01 March 2006 16:21
> > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
> >
> > I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs:
> >
> > http://www.natso-backup.com/
> >
> > it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc.
> >
> > it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag.
> >
> > HTH,
> > --
> > Volkan Ozcelik
> > +>Yep! I'm blogging! :
> > +>http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/
> > +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
> > --
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From bernhardt.7 at osu.edu Thu Mar 2 06:57:23 2006
From: bernhardt.7 at osu.edu (Matthew Bernhardt)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 07:57:23 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP
Message-ID:
Hello everyone,
I was wondering if there was any conventional wisdom in to structure an
ASP page that has to make several connections to different databases on
the same server?
Some of the pages I'm working on right now make connections to 4-5
different databases to grab the data that they need. Right now, they
define different connection objects for each database, defining them just
before they're used in the page. I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more
efficient to define one connection object at the top of the page, and then
structure the SQL statements to specify 'database.tablename' each time the
page needs to get data.
Is there a performance hit to opening a connection and leaving it open
for an entire page, or is it better to open and then close several
different connection objects?
Thanks for any advice - I've lurked here for about a month, and I'm
impressed so far with the level (and range) of discussion.
Matt
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From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 07:37:02 2006
From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:37:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes
Message-ID: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
I am trying to find an efficient way to randomly insert the following
snippet of html into a page's sidebar:
I have about 6 different sidebar boxes I would like to randomly insert in
my pages. Ideally, I would only like to have two or three sidebar boxes
in each page's sidebar.
I am very new to PHP and includes, but I think that an include can do the
trick as follows:
1. Save each snippet of html for the 6 boxes in a directory called sb-boxes
2. Name each snippet sb-box1.inc, sb-box2.inc, sb-box3.inc, and so on
3. In my page(s) add something like the following:
I know that the include code above will not do any randomizing, that is
just as an example of how I think it might possible work. How do I go
about inserting the snippets randomly using this, or a similar approach?
MSN, Google, and Yahoo turned up a ton of results, but I am not proficient
enough with PHP to weed out the good from the bad. IS this as easy as and
light weight it seesm it should be?
--
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Charleston Web Solutions
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From nancychristine49 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 07:47:34 2006
From: nancychristine49 at yahoo.com (Nancy Johnson)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:47:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Learning PHP
Message-ID: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
I am a designer who has worked up to now in an only in Microsoft environment. I know how to do a contact form in .asp and set up a simple database using .asp and SQL server or MS Access.
I feel the need to learn php and be able to set up a contact form and simple database maybe using MYSQL?
What would be a good way to get started?
Thanks
Nancy Johnson
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From psm2713 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 2 07:52:31 2006
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:52:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Gigs on the web
Message-ID:
Hi, all
I have a client who wants to move a system to the internet. They want their
clients to be able to access 3D imaging from the web site. Each client will
have about 1/2 gig of information and they will have several tousand
clients.
They do not have the expertise to manage a web server.
The problems are obvious: Storage space, transfer rate, monthly transfer. I
had considered keeping the images locally and only sending them when called
for, but speed and transfer costs still might make that impossible.
First, are there any companies with the space and pricing to make this an
option?
Second, given todays technology, what would be the cost estimate to setup
servers and train staff to be their own hosting?
TIA, Ken
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From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 07:54:04 2006
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:54:04 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
>Is there a performance hit to opening a connection and leaving it open
>for an entire page, or is it better to open and then close several
>different connection objects?
That depends on the database. Access performs better when you open
connection use it and then close it asap. That's because Access is not
as multi-thread / multi-user friendly as other databases around.
Actually, it is arguable whether you can call Access a database or not :)
However SQLServer, DB2, MySQL etc will not feel a performance hit.
Actually for those more-database-like databases, opening and closing
the connection several times brings up a performance hit since
creating a Connection object is a costy operation.
Here is what I use 99% of the time:
_beginnin of page
DBInit
DBConnect
... do stuff ...
DBDisconnect
DBRelease
_end of page
I have used this structure in dozens of high-load commercial portals
and did not observe any performance hit (using SQL Server most of the
time)
HTH,
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From bernhardt.7 at osu.edu Thu Mar 2 08:07:58 2006
From: bernhardt.7 at osu.edu (Matthew Bernhardt)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:07:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Hello again,
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:54:04 -0500, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K
wrote:
>> Is there a performance hit to opening a connection and leaving it open
>> for an entire page, or is it better to open and then close several
>> different connection objects?
>
> However SQLServer, DB2, MySQL etc will not feel a performance hit.
> Actually for those more-database-like databases, opening and closing
> the connection several times brings up a performance hit since
> creating a Connection object is a costy operation.
Good point - I should have clarified this. The ASP pages are connecting to
a MySQL database server running 4.0.x (not sure of the version beyond
that).
Is there a way I can quantify how "costly" it is to create/open a
Connection object? I can't sit down in front of either the webserver or
the database server in this case, so I can't check things like running
processes, memory load, etc.
> Here is what I use 99% of the time:
>
> _beginnin of page
> DBInit
> DBConnect
>
> ... do stuff ...
>
> DBDisconnect
> DBRelease
> _end of page
This is my usual structure as well - but after seeing this page code
(which I'm inheriting from a previous developer), it occurred to me that I
couldn't be -sure- what the best way of handling things was. I've been
told ColdFusion does things this way by default, but didn't want to
extrapolate across vendors.
Thanks for the input,
Matt
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From drew.trusz at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 08:10:37 2006
From: drew.trusz at gmail.com (Drew Trusz)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:10:37 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Learning PHP
In-Reply-To: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <16e49aa10603020610x5e8d82c9h5d9b2b4b5ee86a43@mail.gmail.com>
On 3/2/06, Nancy Johnson wrote:
> I am a designer who has worked up to now in an only in Microsoft environment. I know how to do a contact form in .asp and set up a simple database using .asp and SQL server or MS Access.
>
> I feel the need to learn php and be able to set up a contact form and simple database maybe using MYSQL?
>
> What would be a good way to get started?
>
Several quick ways to start: Peachpit offers a Visual Quick Start by
Larry Ullman (that's an impressive name) "PHP for the World Wide Web".
It's very basic. Or his "Php and MySQL", also from Peachpit.
Another basic approach would be the Eclectic Academy which runs a
multi-week course on php which includes a form-to-mail exercise. The
instructor reviews your work with you and is very good. Its $20.
More comprehensive would be things like "Beginning PHP5, Apache,
MySQL: Web Development" , Elizabeth Naramore etal from Wrox.
Or "PHP and MySQL Web Development (3rd Edition) (Developer's Library)
" , Luke Welling and Laura Thomson.
And there are also the resources of php.net, including the Manual.
Just depends on where you are comfortable starting.
drew
From akamm at demicooper.com Thu Mar 2 08:14:44 2006
From: akamm at demicooper.com (Andrew Kamm)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:14:44 -0600
Subject: [thelist] usability books
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
>
> Agreed. Ugly, boring sites.
Indeed, Nielsen's writing is a nice way to keep perspective on things and
may be a good place to start learning web usability concepts, but people are
very visual (clients and consumers alike) so you need to take his advice
with a grain of salt. It's great knowledge to know for reference, but not
necessarily to work/live by.
This is a more general recommendation (it's not web-specific), but still a
good read for anyone creating things that people use: "The Design of
Everyday Things" by Donald Norman.
--
Andrew Kamm
From akamm at demicooper.com Thu Mar 2 08:17:45 2006
From: akamm at demicooper.com (Andrew Kamm)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:17:45 -0600
Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4?
In-Reply-To: <200603012011.40793.sbeam@onsetcorps.net>
Message-ID:
> But if your existing PHP4 code is not doing anything with dom_xml then
> it should run just fine under PHP5. There is however a (fairly short)
I'm guessing you'd also run into significant problems with PHP5 OOP code in
a PHP4 environment. There are also miscellaneous functions (like
file_put_contents) that are only available in PHP5.
--
Andrew Kamm
From Chris at globet.com Thu Mar 2 08:28:47 2006
From: Chris at globet.com (Chris at globet.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:28:47 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP
Message-ID:
Matt
[..]
> Good point - I should have clarified this. The ASP pages are
> connecting to a MySQL database server running 4.0.x (not sure
> of the version beyond that).
>
> Is there a way I can quantify how "costly" it is to
> create/open a Connection object? I can't sit down in front of
My understanding is that you are not necessarily opening a connection to
the database when you use a connection object within an ASP page through
ADO. A request is made for an open connection from the connection pool
(assuming that connection pooling is enabled for IIS, which I believe it
is by default); so as long as a connection is available, no new
connection will be opened. If a connection is not available, a new
connection will be opened and made available from the connection pool.
This behaviour is in place to avoid the cost of opening and closing
database connections.
[..]
HTH
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From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 08:39:22 2006
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:39:22 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
> (assuming that connection pooling is enabled for IIS, which I believe it
> is by default); so as long as a connection is available, no new
> connection will be opened. If a connection is not available, a new
> connection will be opened and made available from the connection pool.
> This behaviour is in place to avoid the cost of opening and closing
> database connections.
Correct, opening an ADODB connection does not necessarily mean opening
a real physical connection.
Once upon a time, for a big site I developed, I sniffed the tcp port
of the server to get an idea. 8-10 actual pysical connections were
enough to handle 2-3 thousand online users.
For determining the cost there are benchmark tools that generate load
ramps. Or real-time monitoring tools that you can see what is
happening graphically.
For instance IBM's tivoli performance viewer is a good tool to detect
leaks in connection pool: You plot number of created connections and
number of connections that are returned to the pool on the same graph.
If the two lines cross each other (i.e. they are not parallel) then it
is a indicator of a connection leak.
I have not used any specific benchmark / monitoring tool for M$ stuff.
What I do to load test was generally creating a simple frame-based
setup that refreshed itsef with meta refresh, loading tens of this
framed pages on a pc, and using this to all of the 10-15 pc's on the
network.
Then I monitored CPU utilization, Ram usage. sniffed tcp connections
to the database sitting in front of the server machine.
HTH
--
Volkan Ozcelik
+>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/
+> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
From smokenjoe2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 08:49:50 2006
From: smokenjoe2 at gmail.com (Joe S)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:49:50 -0500
Subject: [thelist] db2 query question
Message-ID:
I have a query where I am trying to get the count of items in a certain
area. So I have a table that contains the items id, the time/date, the area
number. Now the table is setup so that each area is marked with a time/date
on when it entered and left, so you will have multiple entries for one item.
655391 0 2005-12-22 15:59:00 32 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
655391 1 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
655391 2 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 2006-01-31 15:45:00 72 0 29.00 C 1940-01-01
655391 3 2006-02-02 13:32:00 101 2006-02-03 11:44:00 32 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
655391 4 2006-02-03 15:28:00 25 2006-02-03 20:56:00 26 0 0 C 1940-01-01
655391 5 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
655391 6 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
655391 7 2006-02-09 07:08:00 5 2006-02-14 13:51:00 5 0 4.00 C 1940-01-01
655391 8 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
Now here is a little bit of a tricky part, I dont need counts for 0,1,2 I
just need to find how many items are in 3 that left 2 on x date and so on
and so forth until your past 8. I do not need to know where the items have
been I need to know where there are now.
From hassan at webtuitive.com Thu Mar 2 09:01:51 2006
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 07:01:51 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Gigs on the web
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <440708DF.7050801@webtuitive.com>
Ken Moore wrote:
> I have a client who wants to move a system to the internet. They want their
> clients to be able to access 3D imaging from the web site. Each client will
> have about 1/2 gig of information and they will have several tousand
> clients.
>
> They do not have the expertise to manage a web server.
How are they "managing" the current system?
> The problems are obvious: Storage space, transfer rate, monthly transfer.
What "problems"? You buy as much as you need for your application.
> First, are there any companies with the space and pricing to make this an
> option?
Of course -- unless your client has an unrealistically low idea of
what this should cost.
> Second, given todays technology, what would be the cost estimate to setup
> servers and train staff to be their own hosting?
You haven't even begun to address performance requirements, uptime
requirements, security, user interface -- no sane person can quote
a "project" like this...
--
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com
opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com
dream. code.
From stevec at topdogstrategy.com Thu Mar 2 09:27:13 2006
From: stevec at topdogstrategy.com (Steve Clason)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:27:13 -0700
Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes
In-Reply-To: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <44070ED1.9050501@topdogstrategy.com>
jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com wrote:
> I have about 6 different sidebar boxes I would like to randomly insert in
> my pages. Ideally, I would only like to have two or three sidebar boxes
> in each page's sidebar.
>
> I am very new to PHP and includes, but I think that an include can do the
> trick as follows:
>
>
> 1. Save each snippet of html for the 6 boxes in a directory called sb-boxes
>
> 2. Name each snippet sb-box1.inc, sb-box2.inc, sb-box3.inc, and so on
>
> 3. In my page(s) add something like the following:
>
>
> I know that the include code above will not do any randomizing, that is
> just as an example of how I think it might possible work. How do I go
> about inserting the snippets randomly using this, or a similar approach?
Your approach is OK. Below is a function I wrote for randomly selecting
and displaying a number of image files from a directory. I think you
could modify it pretty easily to randomly select a number of html files
from a directory and include them in the way you described.
It might get you started anyway.
--
Steve Clason
Web Design & Development
Boulder, Colorado, USA
www.topdogstrategy.com
(303)818-8590
= $num) { //make sure enough images in folder
$i = 0;
$imgs = array();
while ($i<$num) {
$imageNumber = randomNumber($imgCount);
$imgPath = $imgList[$imageNumber];
//make sure it's not in the array before including
if (in_array($imgPath, $imgs)){
//do nothing
}else{
$imgs[$i] = $imgPath;
$i++;
}
}
}else{ //create an blank image if not enough in the folder
$im = '
![No images are
available]() ';
$result = $im;
}
//prepare the output
$count = count($imgs);
for ($j=0; $j<$count; $j++){
//format the result for html display
@$result .= "![](\"") ";
}
return $result;
}
?>
From stevec at topdogstrategy.com Thu Mar 2 09:31:08 2006
From: stevec at topdogstrategy.com (Steve Clason)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:31:08 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Learning PHP
In-Reply-To: <16e49aa10603020610x5e8d82c9h5d9b2b4b5ee86a43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<16e49aa10603020610x5e8d82c9h5d9b2b4b5ee86a43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44070FBC.70207@topdogstrategy.com>
Drew Trusz wrote:
> On 3/2/06, Nancy Johnson wrote:
>> I am a designer who has worked up to now in an only in Microsoft environment. I know how to do a contact form in .asp and set up a simple database using .asp and SQL server or MS Access.
>>
>> I feel the need to learn php and be able to set up a contact form and simple database maybe using MYSQL?
>>
>> What would be a good way to get started?
> Or "PHP and MySQL Web Development (3rd Edition) (Developer's Library)
> " , Luke Welling and Laura Thomson.
Good suggestions, and +1 for the Welling and Thompson book as a first step.
--
Steve Clason
Web Design & Development
Boulder, Colorado, USA
www.topdogstrategy.com
(303)818-8590
From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 09:33:56 2006
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:33:56 -0500
Subject: [thelist] db2 query question
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Try this, no guarantees
SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 3 AND
B.ITEM = A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= A.DATE AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY
B.AREA
On 3/2/06, Joe S wrote:
> I have a query where I am trying to get the count of items in a certain
> area. So I have a table that contains the items id, the time/date, the area
> number. Now the table is setup so that each area is marked with a time/date
> on when it entered and left, so you will have multiple entries for one item.
>
> 655391 0 2005-12-22 15:59:00 32 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
> 655391 1 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
> 655391 2 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 2006-01-31 15:45:00 72 0 29.00 C 1940-01-01
> 655391 3 2006-02-02 13:32:00 101 2006-02-03 11:44:00 32 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
> 655391 4 2006-02-03 15:28:00 25 2006-02-03 20:56:00 26 0 0 C 1940-01-01
> 655391 5 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
> 655391 6 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
> 655391 7 2006-02-09 07:08:00 5 2006-02-14 13:51:00 5 0 4.00 C 1940-01-01
> 655391 8 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
>
> Now here is a little bit of a tricky part, I dont need counts for 0,1,2 I
> just need to find how many items are in 3 that left 2 on x date and so on
> and so forth until your past 8. I do not need to know where the items have
> been I need to know where there are now.
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
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>
From smokenjoe2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 09:44:44 2006
From: smokenjoe2 at gmail.com (Joe S)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:44:44 -0500
Subject: [thelist] db2 query question
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Result for that is 8 = 56814
On 3/2/06, Dan McCullough wrote:
>
> Try this, no guarantees
>
> SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 3 AND
> B.ITEM = A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= A.DATE AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY
> B.AREA
>
> On 3/2/06, Joe S wrote:
> > I have a query where I am trying to get the count of items in a certain
> > area. So I have a table that contains the items id, the time/date, the
> area
> > number. Now the table is setup so that each area is marked with a
> time/date
> > on when it entered and left, so you will have multiple entries for one
> item.
> >
> > 655391 0 2005-12-22 15:59:00 32 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 0 1.00 C
> 1940-01-01
> > 655391 1 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01
> > 655391 2 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 2006-01-31 15:45:00 72 0 29.00 C
> 1940-01-01
> > 655391 3 2006-02-02 13:32:00 101 2006-02-03 11:44:00 32 0 1.00 C
> 1940-01-01
> > 655391 4 2006-02-03 15:28:00 25 2006-02-03 20:56:00 26 0 0 C 1940-01-01
> > 655391 5 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 0 1.00 C
> 1940-01-01
> > 655391 6 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 0 1.00 C
> 1940-01-01
> > 655391 7 2006-02-09 07:08:00 5 2006-02-14 13:51:00 5 0 4.00 C 1940-01-01
> > 655391 8 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 0 1.00 C
> 1940-01-01
> >
> > Now here is a little bit of a tricky part, I dont need counts for 0,1,2
> I
> > just need to find how many items are in 3 that left 2 on x date and so
> on
> > and so forth until your past 8. I do not need to know where the items
> have
> > been I need to know where there are now.
> > --
> >
> > * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> >
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> >
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>
From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 09:54:09 2006
From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:54:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Learning PHP
In-Reply-To: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <63771.216.215.170.194.1141314849.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
>I feel the need to learn php and be able to set up a contact form and
> simple database maybe using MYSQL?
>
> What would be a good way to get started?
I started reading this "Online Book" a while back, but have not had time
to keep up with the reading. The author has since gotten the book
published, so you can now (AFAIK) pick your pleasure - digital or print.
See here:
http://www.hudzilla.org/phpbook/
--
Jono Young
Designer | Developer | Illustrator
Charleston Web Solutions
Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry
http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com
From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 10:03:07 2006
From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:03:07 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS
Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
Howdy group!
I am trying to position 2 graphics side by side with each other and
having problems getting the gap between them to close. Here is the CSS
/* header */
#header {
position: fixed;
background: transparent;
padding: 0px;
}
#header div.left {
background-image:
url(../grfx/1280_header_left_anim_out_only.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
float: left;
width: 270px;
height: 165px;
margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
}
#header div.right {
background-image: url(../grfx/1280_header_right.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
height: 165px;
padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
}
And here is the HTML
The image on the left is 270 px wide. The image on the right needs to
butt up against it. Can someone see the error of my ways and point it
out to me? There appears to be about a 5px gap between the images.
From smokenjoe2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 10:20:24 2006
From: smokenjoe2 at gmail.com (Joe S)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:20:24 -0500
Subject: [thelist] db2 query question
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
I changed
SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 3 AND B.ITEM=
A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= A.DATE AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY B.AREA
to
SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 2 AND B.ITEM=
A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= '2006-01-31' AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY B.AREA
but I still only get a count from area 8 shouldnt there be more counts from
3,4,5,6 and so on.
On 3/2/06, Joe S wrote:
>
> Result for that is 8 = 56814
>
>
> On 3/2/06, Dan McCullough wrote:
> >
> > Try this, no guarantees
> >
> > SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 3 AND
> > B.ITEM = A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= A.DATE AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY
> > B.AREA
> >
> > On 3/2/06, Joe S wrote:
> > > I have a query where I am trying to get the count of items in a
> > certain
> > > area. So I have a table that contains the items id, the time/date,
> > the area
> > > number. Now the table is setup so that each area is marked with a
> > time/date
> > > on when it entered and left, so you will have multiple entries for one
> > item.
> > >
> > > 655391 0 2005-12-22 15:59:00 32 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 0 1.00 C
> > 1940-01-01
> > > 655391 1 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 0 1.00 C
> > 1940-01-01
> > > 655391 2 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 2006-01-31 15:45:00 72 0 29.00 C
> > 1940-01-01
> > > 655391 3 2006-02-02 13:32:00 101 2006-02-03 11:44:00 32 0 1.00 C
> > 1940-01-01
> > > 655391 4 2006-02-03 15:28:00 25 2006-02-03 20:56:00 26 0 0 C
> > 1940-01-01
> > > 655391 5 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 0 1.00 C
> > 1940-01-01
> > > 655391 6 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 0 1.00 C
> > 1940-01-01
> > > 655391 7 2006-02-09 07:08:00 5 2006-02-14 13:51:00 5 0 4.00 C
> > 1940-01-01
> > > 655391 8 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 0 1.00 C
> > 1940-01-01
> > >
> > > Now here is a little bit of a tricky part, I dont need counts for
> > 0,1,2 I
> > > just need to find how many items are in 3 that left 2 on x date and so
> > on
> > > and so forth until your past 8. I do not need to know where the items
> > have
> > > been I need to know where there are now.
> > > --
> > >
> > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
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> > >
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> >
>
>
From morrison.ben at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 10:22:23 2006
From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:22:23 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS
In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
References: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
Message-ID: <6073aef90603020822n14059aa0seadca7f5d84d55f7@mail.gmail.com>
On 3/2/06, jblanchard at pocket.com wrote:
> I am trying to position 2 graphics side by side with each other and
> having problems getting the gap between them to close. Here is the CSS
>
snipped
>
> The image on the left is 270 px wide. The image on the right needs to
> butt up against it. Can someone see the error of my ways and point it
> out to me? There appears to be about a 5px gap between the images.
I'm not sure why it does that. You could add float:left to div.right,
but it will need a width or some content.
ben.
From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 10:38:24 2006
From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:38:24 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS
Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B149A@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
[snip]
I'm not sure why it does that. You could add float:left to div.right,
but it will need a width or some content.
[\snip]
Tried it with float: left; and content but it completely hosed the
layout. I found the following hack which I applied after the #header
declarations;
/* hide from other browsers \*/
* html .left {margin-right: -3px;}
* html .right {margin-left: 0;}
/* end hide */
Seems that the 3px gap is known in IE
From evoltlist at delime.com Thu Mar 2 11:08:52 2006
From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:08:52 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS
In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.l ocal>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060302130759.026db9f0@mx.delime.com>
Message from jblanchard at pocket.com (3/2/2006 10:03 AM)
>Howdy group!
>
>I am trying to position 2 graphics side by side with each other and
>having problems getting the gap between them to close. Here is the CSS
>
>And here is the HTML
>
>
>
>The image on the left is 270 px wide. The image on the right needs to
>butt up against it. Can someone see the error of my ways and point it
>out to me? There appears to be about a 5px gap between the images.
Shot in the dark.
Have you tried removing whitespace in the html?
regards.
-marc
From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 11:12:16 2006
From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:12:16 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS
Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B14A7@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
[snip]
>
>
>The image on the left is 270 px wide. The image on the right needs to
>butt up against it. Can someone see the error of my ways and point it
>out to me? There appears to be about a 5px gap between the images.
Shot in the dark.
Have you tried removing whitespace in the html?
[/snip]
That was one of the first things I did out of habit back when tables
used to provide problems like this with whitespace.
From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Mar 2 11:20:02 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:20:02 -0800
Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production
Message-ID:
Finally have a test environment for our intranet. I've shot myself in
the foot by how I've been trying to synchronize changes.
How do y'all do it? How do you track multiple ongoing projects on the
test server, rolling out to production, etc? I've been too lazy about
using VSS. Is that my solution?
spinhead
From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Mar 2 11:29:18 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:29:18 -0800
Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production
Message-ID:
> Finally have a test environment for our intranet. I've shot myself in
> the foot by how I've been trying to synchronize changes.
So, a little clarification: two servers with different names, therefore
different link references, etc. in many places. Can't just grab what's
in test and move to production; have to search/replace. And can't just
let VSS diff the directories, 'cause I've made 'changes' to many files
by simply mass changing the server name in linkage, whether or not any
functionality changed.
From evolt at markgroen.com Thu Mar 2 11:33:59 2006
From: evolt at markgroen.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:33:59 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS
In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B149A@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
References: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B149A@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
Message-ID: <1141320839.2762.21.camel@mark>
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 10:38 -0600, jblanchard at pocket.com wrote:
> [snip]
> I'm not sure why it does that. You could add float:left to div.right,
> but it will need a width or some content.
> [\snip]
>
> Tried it with float: left; and content but it completely hosed the
> layout. I found the following hack which I applied after the #header
> declarations;
>
> /* hide from other browsers \*/
> * html .left {margin-right: -3px;}
> * html .right {margin-left: 0;}
> /* end hide */
>
> Seems that the 3px gap is known in IE
? Maybe I missed the first part of this post and something obvious...
Nothing to do with a 3 px gap afaik, you need something for the browser
to draw, iow there isn't anything there so you just get the defaults for
an empty container, gaps and all.
Also along the lines of missing the first part of the conversation, you
wanted these images to align beside each other? A container will take up
whatever space it is allowed, which is the full width of the browser
window so you must tell it to float if you want it to float, otherwise
you just get stacks of divs.
This works:
with this CSS for side-by side:
.left { float:left; }
.right { float:left; }
hth!
--
cheers,
Mark
From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 11:46:32 2006
From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:46:32 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS
Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B14AC@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
[snip]
? Maybe I missed the first part of this post and something obvious...
Nothing to do with a 3 px gap afaik, you need something for the browser
to draw, iow there isn't anything there so you just get the defaults for
an empty container, gaps and all.
Also along the lines of missing the first part of the conversation, you
wanted these images to align beside each other? A container will take up
whatever space it is allowed, which is the full width of the browser
window so you must tell it to float if you want it to float, otherwise
you just get stacks of divs.
This works:
with this CSS for side-by side:
.left { float:left; }
.right { float:left; }
[/snip]
The reason for using the images as background for the header divs is so
that other elements can be positioned on top of the graphics with
worrying about the placement of those graphics or having to cut them up
further. The hack that I eventually applied works well and the graphics
look fine in other browsers. This was strictly a problem with IE which I
think I failed to mention.
From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 11:53:52 2006
From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:53:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes
In-Reply-To: <44070ED1.9050501@topdogstrategy.com>
References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
<44070ED1.9050501@topdogstrategy.com>
Message-ID: <51114.216.215.170.194.1141322032.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
> Steve Clason Wrote:
>
>
>
> // Function randomImages randomly selects a number of images
> // from a folder and returns them encoded in html tags,
> // one after the other.
> // arguments are:
> // $num: number of images to display
> // $folder: path to where the images reside (eg. /images)
> // $toFolder: prefix for folder path, depends on OS
> // (like c:/websites/jamaicaJoe)
>
> // S. Clason
> // www.topdogstrategy.com
> // 1 Dec 05
>
> // Random number generator
> // selects a ramdom number from within a range
> // takes a number as an argument
>
> function randomNumber($count) {
> $ran = mt_rand(0, $count-1);
> return $ran;
> }
>
> function randomImages ($num, $toFolder, $folder) {
>
> //make an array of allowed extensions
> $extList = array();
> $extList['gif'] = 'image/gif';
> $extList['jpg'] = 'image/jpeg';
> $extList['jpeg'] = 'image/jpeg';
> $extList['png'] = 'image/png';
>
> //make sure the folder ends in '/'
> if (substr($folder,-1) != '/') {
> $folder = $folder.'/';
> }
>
> //make array with files in folder matching ext list
> $imgList = array();
> $handle = opendir($toFolder . $folder);
> while ($file = readdir($handle)) {
> $file_info = pathinfo($file);
> if (isset( $extList[ strtolower( $file_info['extension'])])) {
> $imgList[] = $file;
> }
> }
> closedir($handle);
>
> //make an array of $num length random images
> $imgCount = count($imgList);
> if ($imgCount >= $num) { //make sure enough images in folder
> $i = 0;
> $imgs = array();
> while ($i<$num) {
> $imageNumber = randomNumber($imgCount);
>
> $imgPath = $imgList[$imageNumber];
> //make sure it's not in the array before including
> if (in_array($imgPath, $imgs)){
> //do nothing
> }else{
> $imgs[$i] = $imgPath;
> $i++;
> }
> }
> }else{ //create an blank image if not enough in the folder
> $im = '![No images are
> available]() ';
> $result = $im;
> }
>
> //prepare the output
> $count = count($imgs);
> for ($j=0; $j<$count; $j++){
> //format the result for html display
> @$result .= "";
> }
> return $result;
> }
> ?>
>
>
Thanks for the example. I've looked at three different PHP rotators, and
they all deal with image rotation. All three are slightly hampered by the
lack of alt tags, or width and height attributes, etc.
All three suggest that it's possible to modify the code to work with
text/html in addition to GIF, JPG, PNG, etc. I ended up getting a image
rotation example from ALA to work on a [1]test page.
I am NO WHERE NEAR PHP savvy enough to be able to rework the code to get
that working. I was able to get a random image rotation to work on a
[1]test page, but what I really want to do is swap, randomly, the entire
area where the images appear. I have set up another [2]test page
that discusses the rotation of the entire .
[1]http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com/test_case/index_test_random.html
[2]http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com/test_case/index_test_random_dl.html
It seems like it should be easier than it is, considering how easy it is
to do a regular include. I think I'm gonna' need to cough up a few bucks
and hit a PHP class that the local university?
--
Jono Young
Designer | Developer | Illustrator
Charleston Web Solutions
Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry
http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com
From Chris at globet.com Thu Mar 2 11:54:36 2006
From: Chris at globet.com (Chris at globet.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:54:36 -0000
Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production
Message-ID:
Joel
> > Finally have a test environment for our intranet. I've shot
> myself in
> > the foot by how I've been trying to synchronize changes.
>
> So, a little clarification: two servers with different names,
> therefore different link references, etc. in many places.
> Can't just grab what's in test and move to production; have
> to search/replace. And can't just let VSS diff the
> directories, 'cause I've made 'changes' to many files by
> simply mass changing the server name in linkage, whether or
> not any functionality changed.
Making changes to the codebase *after* testing and *before* you release
means that you are releasing untested code. My preference would be to
invest some time in ensuring that the links are all relative, and to
remove all server-specific items to a config file of some sort;
depending on which technology you're using. This will probably save time
(and stress) in the long term.
HTH
Chris Marsh
Web Developer
http://www.globet.com/
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From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Mar 2 12:08:13 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:08:13 -0800
Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production
Message-ID:
> invest some time in ensuring that the links are all relative, and to
> remove all server-specific items to a config file of some sort;
ah yes; that's the ticket; also good point about making post-testing
changes
thanks
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 12:17:42 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:17:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
Message-ID: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com>
Not sure if there are many Ajax folks on this list, but maybe someone has an idea to help me with
this issue. I have a very simple Ajax process running that signs a person up to a mailing list and
sends back a confirmation to the page, overwriting the join form. It works perfectly in Mozilla,
but IE is throwing a lovely "unspecified error" (man do I hate that). Using the debugger, I've
found it is complaining about the responseText.
I'm doing the following onreadystatechange:
========================
function processRequestChange()
{
m = document.getElementById('msg');
// only if request shows "complete"
if(request.readyState == 2 || request.readyState == 3 )
{
m.innerHTML = "working..."
}
else if (request.readyState == 4)
{
// only if "OK"
if (request.status == 200)
{
response = request.responseText;
m = document.getElementById('msg');
m.innerHTML = response;
}
else
{
alert("There was a problem retrieving the data:\n" + request.statusText);
}
}
}
=======================
It seems to die on the response and I am not sure why. The php file handling this call is adding
some GET data to a database and then ECHOs a string like so:
=======================
$strResponse = "";
$result = mysql_query("INSERT INTO ctmembers(name, email) VALUES ('$mname', '$mmail')");
if (!$result) {
die('Invalid query: ' . mysql_error());
$strResponse = "We're sorry but there is a problem with our mailing list. Please try again
later. ";
//TODO: Send myself a notification that there is a failure.
}
else
{
$strResponse = "You have successfully been added to the mailing list. ";
}
// Close connection
$DB->disconnect();
echo $strResponse; <-- this should be the responseText
====================================
For some reason Mozilla grabs this but IE won't - anyone know why?
Thanks
Tom
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:21:52 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:21:52 -0700
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
Message-ID: <6f58818ac9f6452ba650bfee84fdea10@easylistbox.com>
I had that problem with ELB a while back.
Try request.ResponseText for IE.
And yes, I'm serious.
From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com
Not sure if there are many Ajax folks on this list, but maybe someone has an idea to help me with
this issue. I have a very simple Ajax process running that signs a person up to a mailing list and
sends back a confirmation to the page, overwriting the join form. It works perfectly in Mozilla,
but IE is throwing a lovely "unspecified error" (man do I hate that). Using the debugger, I've
found it is complaining about the responseText.
I'm doing the following onreadystatechange:
========================
function processRequestChange()
{
m = document.getElementById('msg');
// only if request shows "complete"
if(request.readyState == 2 || request.readyState == 3 )
{
m.innerHTML = "working..."
}
else if (request.readyState == 4)
{
// only if "OK"
if (request.status == 200)
{
response = request.responseText;
m = document.getElementById('msg');
m.innerHTML = response;
}
else
{
alert("There was a problem retrieving the data:\n" + request.statusText);
}
}
}
=======================
It seems to die on the response and I am not sure why. The php file handling this call is adding
some GET data to a database and then ECHOs a string like so:
=======================
$strResponse = "";
$result = mysql_query("INSERT INTO ctmembers(name, email) VALUES ('$mname', '$mmail')");
if (!$result) {
die('Invalid query: ' . mysql_error());
$strResponse = "
We're sorry but there is a problem with our mailing list. Please try again
later.";
//TODO: Send myself a notification that there is a failure.
}
else
{
$strResponse = "
You have successfully been added to the mailing list.";
}
// Close connection
$DB->disconnect();
echo $strResponse; <-- this should be the responseText
====================================
For some reason Mozilla grabs this but IE won't - anyone know why?
Thanks
Tom
From discuss at alphanumeric.cz Thu Mar 2 12:26:05 2006
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:26:05 +0100
Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <440738BD.7030409@alphanumeric.cz>
> Is that my solution?
Dunno. Colleagues use SVN and/or rsync.
--
Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net
From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:33:14 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:33:14 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
In-Reply-To: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
> For some reason Mozilla grabs this but IE won't - anyone know why?
No, not really.
What do you get in IE when you alert() the responseText?
--
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com
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From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 12:33:51 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:33:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
In-Reply-To: <6f58818ac9f6452ba650bfee84fdea10@easylistbox.com>
Message-ID: <20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com>
If you mean capital R - didn't work. Turns out I overstated the problem. This is the deal:
when response.responseText comes back, I can alert it as a valid string, even in IE. But when I go
to apply that as innerHTML - that is when I get the error - so this is failing:
response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay
m = document.getElementById('msg');
m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?!
For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried toString() with no luck...
--- Peter Brunone wrote:
> I had that problem with ELB a while back.
>
> Try request.ResponseText for IE.
>
> And yes, I'm serious.
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 12:35:22 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:35:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060302183522.54828.qmail@web51413.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Matt Warden wrote:
> What do you get in IE when you alert() the responseText?
As just noted in my last message - I get the full string of text which is:
"You have been successfully added to the list. "
But IE won't apply it to the div via innerHTML. However it does this just fine during the earlier
state change:
m = document.getElementById('msg');
m.innerHTML = "working..."
which seems very odd...
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 12:38:21 2006
From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:38:21 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS
Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E69146F1B@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
[snip]
The reason for using the images as background for the header divs is so
that other elements can be positioned on top of the graphics with
worrying about the placement of those graphics or having to cut them up
further. The hack that I eventually applied works well and the graphics
look fine in other browsers. This was strictly a problem with IE which I
think I failed to mention.
[/snip]
I just discovered that Mozilla will not display this properly at all.
Frack! The background image in the right hand div does not show up at
all. Why can't all of the browser makers get on the same frackin' page
(don't answer that, I know, I know)
I guess that I could just say screw it and make one header graphic. It
just makes things larger than necessary.
From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:46:12 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:46:12 -0700
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
Message-ID: <007c570fff254fe483983b48d1bc0971@easylistbox.com>
> If you mean capital R - didn't work.
Does that mean your code below is a typo?
> response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay
:-D
From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com
If you mean capital R - didn't work. Turns out I overstated the problem. This is the deal:
when response.responseText comes back, I can alert it as a valid string, even in IE. But when I go
to apply that as innerHTML - that is when I get the error - so this is failing:
response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay
m = document.getElementById('msg');
m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?!
For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried toString() with no luck...
--- Peter Brunone wrote:
> I had that problem with ELB a while back.
>
> Try request.ResponseText for IE.
>
> And yes, I'm serious.
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Thu Mar 2 12:50:11 2006
From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:50:11 +0000
Subject: [thelist] exim 4.6 help - selective catch all account allowing
[a-][5 digit no][-b][@][domain]
Message-ID: <44073E63.6010106@deltatraffic.co.uk>
hi evolt
Im working a mini project concerning the exim MTA.
The documentation is very detailed and well written but Im on a short
time budget and it would be great to find out how to configure exim to
accept messages of a
certain type with the flexiblity to handle wildcards but with also a fixed
string.
So we have something of the form:
mytest*alex at deltatraffic.co.uk
where *
could be something like
"-123772-" or "-234899-" or "-[n]-"
Tried a few things but making something a bit more selective than a
catch all account is proving difficult
best
Alex
From mark.baldwin at attensa.com Thu Mar 2 12:48:28 2006
From: mark.baldwin at attensa.com (Mark Baldwin)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:48:28 -0800
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
In-Reply-To: <20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9F5997E7-2642-4867-B48E-DB6A218432D1@attensa.com>
If toString isn't working, you might try explicitly setting the
content type header in your php code:
header("Content-type: text/plain");
and see if that gets you anywhere.
Mark
On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> If you mean capital R - didn't work. Turns out I overstated the
> problem. This is the deal:
>
> when response.responseText comes back, I can alert it as a valid
> string, even in IE. But when I go
> to apply that as innerHTML - that is when I get the error - so this
> is failing:
>
> response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay
> m = document.getElementById('msg');
> m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?!
>
> For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried
> toString() with no luck...
>
> --- Peter Brunone wrote:
>
>> I had that problem with ELB a while back.
>>
>> Try request.ResponseText for IE.
>>
>> And yes, I'm serious.
>
> http://www.pixelmech.com/
> http://www.crossandthrone.com/
>
>
> Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
> The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
> K9: 'I do.'
> Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
>
>
> --
>
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From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:48:07 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:48:07 -0700
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
Message-ID: <74166dc40a9c4929aae8c58d3a864010@easylistbox.com>
Any chance the object that you think is a string really isn't, but it's being implicitly converted in the alert? I realize the chances of this are pretty slim in an all-variant world, but what happens if you use .toString on the response before shoving it into that div tag?
From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com
--- Matt Warden wrote:
> What do you get in IE when you alert() the responseText?
As just noted in my last message - I get the full string of text which is:
"
You have been successfully added to the list."
But IE won't apply it to the div via innerHTML. However it does this just fine during the earlier
state change:
m = document.getElementById('msg');
m.innerHTML = "working..."
which seems very odd...
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 12:50:12 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:50:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
[solved]
In-Reply-To: <9F5997E7-2642-4867-B48E-DB6A218432D1@attensa.com>
Message-ID: <20060302185012.60797.qmail@web51413.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Mark Baldwin wrote:
> If toString isn't working, you might try explicitly setting the
> content type header in your php code:
> header("Content-type: text/plain");
I had tried toString and the header is set to exactly that. Here is what it was apparently - I
changed:
$strResponse = "We're sorry but there is a problem with our mailing list. Please try again
later. ";
to this
$strResponse = 'We\'re sorry but there is a problem with our mailing list. Please try again
later. ';
double to single quotes in the php file. Something about the way that string was delivered, IE
didn't like - I can't imagine what, but all of a sudden it worked when I did that.
I'm not sure whether to be happy or tear my hair out.
Tom
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:49:21 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:49:21 -0700
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
Message-ID: <9107f5931dbd4eef9ebad9ad642100b1@easylistbox.com>
Ah, crap. Ignore that last message. Apparently I have lost the ability to read.
I blame the children.
From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com
--- Matt Warden wrote:
> What do you get in IE when you alert() the responseText?
As just noted in my last message - I get the full string of text which is:
"
You have been successfully added to the list."
But IE won't apply it to the div via innerHTML. However it does this just fine during the earlier
state change:
m = document.getElementById('msg');
m.innerHTML = "working..."
which seems very odd...
From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:51:18 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:51:18 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
In-Reply-To: <20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f58818ac9f6452ba650bfee84fdea10@easylistbox.com>
<20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
Tom,
On 3/2/06, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay
> m = document.getElementById('msg');
> m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?!
>
> For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried toString() with no luck...
Odd.
I'm not sure how to help you, because I avoid innerHTML like the plague.
I'd suggest altering your PHP output by removing the '' and ' '
tags, such that it is only outputting the string of text. Then change
your JavaScript to something like this:
response = request.responseText;
if (m && document.createElement) {
while (m.hasChildNodes()) {
m.removeChild(m.firstChild);
}
var p = document.createElement('p');
p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(response));
m.appendChild(p);
}
--
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com
This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.
From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:54:22 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:54:22 -0700
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
Message-ID: <9ddc6e12b73f4202b0a53d8f89aabdab@easylistbox.com>
And if that doesn't work, try text/html or text/xml.
Peter
From: Mark Baldwin mark.baldwin at attensa.com
If toString isn't working, you might try explicitly setting the
content type header in your php code:
header("Content-type: text/plain");
and see if that gets you anywhere.
Mark
On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> If you mean capital R - didn't work. Turns out I overstated the
> problem. This is the deal:
>
> when response.responseText comes back, I can alert it as a valid
> string, even in IE. But when I go
> to apply that as innerHTML - that is when I get the error - so this
> is failing:
>
> response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay
> m = document.getElementById('msg');
> m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?!
>
> For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried
> toString() with no luck...
>
> --- Peter Brunone wrote:
>
>> I had that problem with ELB a while back.
>>
>> Try request.ResponseText for IE.
>>
>> And yes, I'm serious.
From sbeam at onsetcorps.net Thu Mar 2 12:58:42 2006
From: sbeam at onsetcorps.net (sbeam)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:58:42 -0500
Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes
In-Reply-To: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net>
On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:37 am, jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com
wrote:
> 1. Save each snippet of html for the 6 boxes in a directory called
sb-boxes
>
> 2. Name each snippet sb-box1.inc, sb-box2.inc, sb-box3.inc, and so on
include 'path/to/sb-boxes/sb-box' . rand(1, 6) . '.inc';
http://us3.php.net/rand
--
# S Beam - Web App Dev Servs
# http://www.onsetcorps.net/
From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 13:09:31 2006
From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:09:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes
In-Reply-To: <200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net>
References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
<200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net>
Message-ID: <50098.216.215.170.194.1141326571.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
> On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:37 am, jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com
> wrote:
>> 1. Save each snippet of html for the 6 boxes in a directory called
> sb-boxes
>>
>> 2. Name each snippet sb-box1.inc, sb-box2.inc, sb-box3.inc, and so on
>
>
> include 'path/to/sb-boxes/sb-box' . rand(1, 6) . '.inc';
>
> http://us3.php.net/rand
If that works, that is AMAZINGLY AWESOME! That's the kind of easy I was
thinking about! Thanks! I'll post back if I run into trouble.
--
Jono Young
Designer | Developer | Illustrator
Charleston Web Solutions
Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry
http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com
From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 13:12:01 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:12:01 -0700
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
Message-ID: <73ffdd430d784f8da2742f32b955703b@easylistbox.com>
I'm curious -- why the aversion to innerHTML?
From: "Matt Warden" mwarden at gmail.com
I'm not sure how to help you, because I avoid innerHTML like the plague.
From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 13:24:47 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:24:47 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
In-Reply-To: <73ffdd430d784f8da2742f32b955703b@easylistbox.com>
References: <73ffdd430d784f8da2742f32b955703b@easylistbox.com>
Message-ID:
On 3/2/06, EasyListBox.com Peter Brunone wrote:
> I'm curious -- why the aversion to innerHTML?
>
> From: "Matt Warden" mwarden at gmail.com
>
> I'm not sure how to help you, because I avoid innerHTML like the plague.
A starter:
http://www.google.com/search?q=innerhtml+%28evil+OR+devil%29
But, mainly, my problem is that it ties your entire ajax chain to the
markup you are using. For example, imagine needing to change from
HTML4 to XHTML if your markup is spread between your actual HTML
pages, your JavaScript, and also the server-side of your AJAX
application.
Using DOM methods is not only standard, but it is an abstraction from markup.
It's also more fun.
--
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Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com
This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.
From lewis at lewisfrancis.com Thu Mar 2 13:25:40 2006
From: lewis at lewisfrancis.com (Lewis Francis)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:25:40 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls (Hassan Schroeder)
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Hassan,
Go to Windows Update, select 'Custom,' then, under 'Select by Type' on the
left-hand panel, click on 'Software, Optional'. Look for 'Update for Windows
XP (KB912945)'.
There's some question as to whether this will remain an optional update or
if it will be bundled into a future security update, at least I've been
unsuccessful to date in nailing that down. Perhaps even Microsoft doesn't
yet know?
Hope this helps.
-Lewis
> ! Is this bundled into a "security update"? I'm not seeing anything
> that looks like that, and I'd like to get it onto a test machine ASAP.
>
> Or if you've a URL to the MSDN location, that'd also be good, since
> I can *never* find anything there... :-)
>
> TIA,
> --
> Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com
> blog: webtuitive.blogspot.com :: dream. code.
--
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--
From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 13:46:12 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:46:12 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How evil is innerHTML (was JavaScript/Ajax -
responseText...)
Message-ID: <2ad5048e72f4483aa244e4be1bb439be@easylistbox.com>
Well, that makes sense... but all it really tells me is that innerHTML is to be avoided *for certain tasks*. Hopefully we try to avoid the "everything is a nail" mentality, so there are good applications to be found.
> It's also more fun.
I get a rush from adding all that markup in one line of code, but then again I'm kooky like that :)
Peter
From: "Matt Warden" mwarden at gmail.com
On 3/2/06, EasyListBox.com Peter Brunone wrote:
> I'm curious -- why the aversion to innerHTML?
>
> From: "Matt Warden" mwarden at gmail.com
>
> I'm not sure how to help you, because I avoid innerHTML like the plague.
A starter:
http://www.google.com/search?q=innerhtml+%28evil+OR+devil%29
But, mainly, my problem is that it ties your entire ajax chain to the
markup you are using. For example, imagine needing to change from
HTML4 to XHTML if your markup is spread between your actual HTML
pages, your JavaScript, and also the server-side of your AJAX
application.
Using DOM methods is not only standard, but it is an abstraction from markup.
It's also more fun.
Matt Warden
From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 14:06:55 2006
From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:06:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes
In-Reply-To: <200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net>
References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
<200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net>
Message-ID: <59203.216.215.170.194.1141330015.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
> include 'path/to/sb-boxes/sb-box' . rand(1, 6) . '.inc';
>
> http://us3.php.net/rand
I tested this out, and it works great! Didn't check anything but Firefox,
but I am pretty sure that standard User Agents should not interfere.
--
Jono Young
Designer | Developer | Illustrator
Charleston Web Solutions
Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry
http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com
From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Thu Mar 2 14:46:19 2006
From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:46:19 -0500
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
Message-ID:
If you are using MS SQL Server then this sure sounds like a job for DTS.
James c
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of A Maynes
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:14 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am currently
looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file somewhere locally
and then running an upload task (all of this needs to be automated) so
any help/info would be a great help.
Andrew
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 15:28:49 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:28:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060302212849.15010.qmail@web51403.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Matt Warden wrote:
> I'd suggest altering your PHP output by removing the '' and ' '
> tags, such that it is only outputting the string of text. Then change
> your JavaScript to something like this:
>
> response = request.responseText;
> if (m && document.createElement) {
> while (m.hasChildNodes()) {
> m.removeChild(m.firstChild);
> }
>
> var p = document.createElement('p');
> p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(response));
> m.appendChild(p);
> }
Well, shortly after it was working - it wasn't. Go figure. So I replaced the innerHTML with Matt's
suggestion above, and it works fine. So there you have it, IE can sometimes choke on innerHTML for
some unknown reason - good to know.
Tom
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 15:31:46 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:31:46 -0700
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
Message-ID: <194ad017117341bbb9eca924f62b657c@easylistbox.com>
Did you get around to trying the different content type?
From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com
--- Matt Warden wrote:
> I'd suggest altering your PHP output by removing the '
' and ''
> tags, such that it is only outputting the string of text. Then change
> your JavaScript to something like this:
>
> response = request.responseText;
> if (m && document.createElement) {
> while (m.hasChildNodes()) {
> m.removeChild(m.firstChild);
> }
>
> var p = document.createElement('p');
> p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(response));
> m.appendChild(p);
> }
Well, shortly after it was working - it wasn't. Go figure. So I replaced the innerHTML with Matt's
suggestion above, and it works fine. So there you have it, IE can sometimes choke on innerHTML for
some unknown reason - good to know.
Tom
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 15:53:39 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:53:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox!
Message-ID: <20060302215339.1196.qmail@web51411.mail.yahoo.com>
Egad, just when you thought it was ready...you get this:
"Error: uncaught exception: Permission denied to call method XMLHttpRequest.open"
This is in FireFox 1.5. It worked perfectly at work in FF, but I come home and begin to implement
it, and now it fails in FF at home. The script is in the same domain, so I don't get why this
would happen...any ideas on how to debug this? Now it works just fine in IE - I'm getting too old
for this!
Tom
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Thu Mar 2 15:59:56 2006
From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:59:56 +1300
Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox!
Message-ID:
Hi Tom,
No direct experience, but this page may throw some light on the subject:
http://www.captain.at/howto-ajax-permission-denied-xmlhttprequest.php
I believe it's a security measure to prevent Cross-Site-Scripting, so there may be some issue about the script making a call from one domain to another. Seeing as there's a difference from work to home, I'd guess that something at home is making FF think the call and receive scripts are on different domains...
My 2c anyway,
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Tom Dell'Aringa
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:54 AM
To: thelist
Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox!
Egad, just when you thought it was ready...you get this:
"Error: uncaught exception: Permission denied to call method XMLHttpRequest.open"
This is in FireFox 1.5. It worked perfectly at work in FF, but I come home and begin to implement
it, and now it fails in FF at home. The script is in the same domain, so I don't get why this
would happen...any ideas on how to debug this? Now it works just fine in IE - I'm getting too old
for this!
Tom
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
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From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 16:04:50 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:04:50 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox!
In-Reply-To: <20060302215339.1196.qmail@web51411.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060302215339.1196.qmail@web51411.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
Tom,
On 3/2/06, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> Egad, just when you thought it was ready...you get this:
>
> "Error: uncaught exception: Permission denied to call method XMLHttpRequest.open"
>
> This is in FireFox 1.5. It worked perfectly at work in FF, but I come home and begin to implement
> it, and now it fails in FF at home. The script is in the same domain, so I don't get why this
> would happen...any ideas on how to debug this? Now it works just fine in IE - I'm getting too old
> for this!
Are you getting it consistently or only occasionally, like when you
issue multiple requests in a short period of time?
--
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com
This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 16:15:46 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:15:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox!
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060302221546.41801.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Matt Warden wrote:
> Are you getting it consistently or only occasionally, like when you
> issue multiple requests in a short period of time?
Seems to be every time, no matter what.
Tom
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 16:17:16 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:17:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox!
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060302221716.44498.qmail@web51413.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Paul Bennett wrote:
> No direct experience, but this page may throw some light on the subject:
> http://www.captain.at/howto-ajax-permission-denied-xmlhttprequest.php
Except the file has been uploaded to my server - and the page and the php file both reside on the
same domain (albeit different directories)...
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From ftarzwell at fayec.com Thu Mar 2 16:37:01 2006
From: ftarzwell at fayec.com (Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC))
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:37:01 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Live support script?
Message-ID: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com>
One of my clients sent me the following request:
"a single chat support that would be on our main webpage that anyone can
log in from any location,our main location in Mississauga will be the
one answering the questions. We would answer mostly general questions
regarding our services just like we do on the phone. We would like to
show the hours we'd be available for chat support and to be notified
like msn when someone is on the line, also, if there's a way that Tina
can do this from her home computer. Is there also a way the person can
register first before login to our chat support line (to avoid misusers)."
Their site is currently using a PHP CMS and I have found chat modules
for it but the issue is the notification part.
Can anybody recommend a PHP solution that has a notification like MSN
(the popup saying so and so is online) ?
Thanks in advance,
FayeC
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 16:40:34 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:40:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox!
[solved]
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060302224034.27786.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com>
Insert comment about me being dumb here.
My problem was I typed in crossandthrone.com instead of WWW.crossandthrone.com. IDEEIOT. I didn't
notice it until I relaunched the browser. Isn't there a way to force your domain via .htaccess to
jump to the www if this happens?
Tom
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Mar 2 16:44:29 2006
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:44:29 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Live support script?
In-Reply-To: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com>
References: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com>
Message-ID: <4407754D.2080706@neptunewebworks.com>
Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) wrote:
> One of my clients sent me the following request:
> "a single chat support that would be on our main webpage that anyone can
> log in from any location,
Google for "live help php" and you'll get some more options, but one
well-known app is phpLiveSupport. Not sure if it has the system tray
notifcations like an IM client such MSN, but I believe it meets your
other criteria.
http://www.phplivesupport.com/
--
Max Schwanekamp
http://www.neptunewebworks.com/
From jdowdell at adobe.com Thu Mar 2 17:12:39 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:12:39 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Gigs on the web
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <44077BE7.8020104@adobe.com>
Ken Moore wrote:
> I have a client who wants to move a system to the internet. They want their
> clients to be able to access 3D imaging from the web site. Each client will
> have about 1/2 gig of information and they will have several tousand
> clients.
Is this information in pre-rendered bitmap form, or is it data and
models which can have viewing parameters set on the client for local
realtime rendering?
(For example, showing how a proposed building would fit into its
environment could call for tons and tons of images, or just a single 3D
model file which could then have camera, lighting and shading set on the
client for repeated local rendering.)
jd
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From rachell at rachellcoe.com Thu Mar 2 17:18:23 2006
From: rachell at rachellcoe.com (Rachell Coe)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:18:23 -0800
Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website
In-Reply-To: <4405BD9F.9050704@netvision.net>
Message-ID: <007101c63e4f$9a1454c0$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81>
I definitely prefer the 1st one -- the total transparency on the second made
it look to busy.
Rachell Coe
From pms at stoutstreet.com Thu Mar 2 17:31:32 2006
From: pms at stoutstreet.com (patrick)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:31:32 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Live support script?
In-Reply-To: <4407754D.2080706@neptunewebworks.com>
References: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com> <4407754D.2080706@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <44078054.8000801@stoutstreet.com>
Max Schwanekamp wrote:
> Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) wrote:
>> One of my clients sent me the following request:
>> "a single chat support that would be on our main webpage that anyone can
>> log in from any location,
>
> Google for "live help php" and you'll get some more options, but one
> well-known app is phpLiveSupport. Not sure if it has the system tray
> notifcations like an IM client such MSN, but I believe it meets your
> other criteria.
>
> http://www.phplivesupport.com/
>
We have used this, but I would raise a caveat: they use the Zend encoder
stuff so you cannot make security updates when needed (you need to wait
for them.) They recently had EGREGIOUS security issues that caused us to
not upgrade (we are running a pre-encoded version) and patch the code
ourselves.
--
patrick sanders
http://www.stoutstreet.com
web sites that fit
From and-evolt at doxdesk.com Thu Mar 2 17:48:45 2006
From: and-evolt at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:48:45 +0100
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
In-Reply-To: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4407845D.5050002@doxdesk.com>
Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> IE is throwing a lovely "unspecified error" (man do I hate that).
That's typically what you get when you try to write innerHTML to
'special' elements IE doesn't like writing innerHTML to - stuff like
.
You sure 'm' is a ? Is it in a valid place in the document (eg.
everything validates)?
But yeah, in any case, it'd be preferable IMO to return a string and
write that to a text node's 'data' property.
> $result = mysql_query("INSERT INTO ctmembers(name, email) VALUES
> ('$mname', '$mmail')");
Eeeeee! SQL injection!
--
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mailto:and at doxdesk.com
http://www.doxdesk.com/
From drstuey at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 17:53:28 2006
From: drstuey at gmail.com (Stuart Young)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:53:28 +1300
Subject: [thelist] Link and title accessibility
In-Reply-To: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net>
References: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net>
Message-ID:
On 27/02/06, Andreas Wahlin wrote:
>
> If you have a link where the link-text is exactly the same as you
> imagine the title-text to be, you should omit the title attribut right?
Yes. The accessibility guideline says "Clearly identify the target of each
link." If the link text does that then a link title is not needed.
tags should of course be used for things such as MIT, but if
> you have a link where the title attribute is identical to the abbr
> tags title-attribute, should you still use an abbr tag or is that to
> much?
I would keep the abbr title and ditch the link title. Although of course,
pedantically semantically MIT is not an abbr, its an acronym, which is used
exactly the same way as abbr.
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_acronym.asp
Also, as a side note, titles such as
> title="Go to Massachusetts Institute of Technology homepage"
> must be quite unneccesary, as everyone knows that links go to homepages.
> title="Massachusetts Institute of Technology"
> Should suffice, right?
Yes, except that it is good to use "active" language on the web, because it
(sub-conciously?) encourages people to do something. Hence using language
such as
"View the 2nd quarter report in PDF format"
"Go to the results of the survey"
"Read the latest press release"
"Listen to Sue's audioblog"
etc etc
cheers
--
This is the gmail account of Stuart Young
Pt Chev, Auckland, New Zealand
From david at gigawatt.com Thu Mar 2 18:05:55 2006
From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:05:55 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with
FireFox![solved]
References: <20060302224034.27786.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c63e56$3efd6020$020010ac@cylon>
Hi Tom,
Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> My problem was I typed in crossandthrone.com instead of
> WWW.crossandthrone.com. IDEEIOT. I didn't notice it until I
> relaunched the browser. Isn't there a way to force your domain via
> .htaccess to jump to the www if this happens?
This works for me:
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www.gigawatt.com$
RewriteRule (.*) http://www.gigawatt.com/$1 [R,L]
To make sure URL's like this:
http://gigawatt.com/dk/gravity/
Get redirected to:
http://www.gigawatt.com/dk/gravity/
hth,
-dave
From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Thu Mar 2 18:56:24 2006
From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:56:24 +0000
Subject: [thelist] exim 4.6 help - selective catch all account allowing
[a-][5 digit no][-b][@][domain]
Message-ID: <44079438.6090005@deltatraffic.co.uk>
I think i solved it:
from:
http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.60/doc/html/filter.html#SECTex
# Exim filter
if $local_part_suffix contains "mytest-" and
$local_part_suffix contains "-alex"
then
save $home/mail/alex_test
endif
and put it into a file called .forward
anyone agree with this?
Alex
On 02/03/06, *Alex Beston* wrote:
hi evolt
Im working a mini project concerning the exim MTA.
The documentation is very detailed and well written but Im on a short
time budget and it would be great to find out how to configure exim to
accept messages of a
certain type with the flexiblity to handle wildcards but with also a
fixed
string.
So we have something of the form:
mytest*alex at deltatraffic.co.uk
where *
could be something like
"-123772-" or "-234899-" or "-[n]-"
Tried a few things but making something a bit more selective than a
catch all account is proving difficult
best
Alex
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From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 20:54:38 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:54:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript - possible to dynamically change the TITLE tag?
Message-ID: <20060303025438.49665.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi there,
Since my blog runs in wordpress, the only way I have to manipulate the TITLE for the whole site is
in one file, and its the same on every page. This kind of blows for the search engines, it's best
to have unique titles.
>From what I can tell on the net, document.title = "foo" should change the title - but I cannot get
it to work. I've tried various versions, but currently have this:
function adjustTitle()
{
document.title = "Cross and Throne - Bible Study and Exposition - Audio Messages";
}
window.onload = adjustTitle;
If I pop an alert, yeah the function loads. If I alert the .title, it gives me the correct string.
But it will not let me change it. Can this be done?
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From jacob at jaacob.com Thu Mar 2 20:59:41 2006
From: jacob at jaacob.com (Jacob Reiff)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:59:41 -0800
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript - possible to dynamically change the TITLE
tag?
In-Reply-To: <20060303025438.49665.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060303025438.49665.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9829E00F-3525-4169-A685-77FA638735F7@jaacob.com>
On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Since my blog runs in wordpress, the only way I have to manipulate
> the TITLE for the whole site is
> in one file, and its the same on every page. This kind of blows for
> the search engines, it's best
> to have unique titles.
>
>> From what I can tell on the net, document.title = "foo" should
>> change the title - but I cannot get
> it to work. I've tried various versions, but currently have this:
>
> function adjustTitle()
> {
> document.title = "Cross and Throne - Bible Study and Exposition -
> Audio Messages";
> }
> window.onload = adjustTitle;
>
> If I pop an alert, yeah the function loads. If I alert the .title,
> it gives me the correct string.
> But it will not let me change it. Can this be done?
>
Tom -
Check out the WordPress Codex on how to use Conditional Tags to make
the title change depending on what page is being displayed.
http://codex.wordpress.org/Conditional_Tags
Don't need to utilize Javascript at all - just PHP.
--
Jacob
http://www.jaacob.com/
From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 21:00:40 2006
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:00:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript - possible to dynamically change the TITLE
tag?
In-Reply-To: <9829E00F-3525-4169-A685-77FA638735F7@jaacob.com>
Message-ID: <20060303030040.44362.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Jacob Reiff wrote:
> Check out the WordPress Codex on how to use Conditional Tags to make
> the title change depending on what page is being displayed.
>
> http://codex.wordpress.org/Conditional_Tags
>
> Don't need to utilize Javascript at all - just PHP.
Great, thanks Jacob - I had searched for something but obviously didn't find the right thing!
Tom
http://www.pixelmech.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.'
The Doctor: 'Well, who does?'
K9: 'I do.'
Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!'
From msunpongco at hotmail.com Thu Mar 2 21:46:57 2006
From: msunpongco at hotmail.com (Maya Sunpongco)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:46:57 -0800
Subject: [thelist] overflow:auto and show/hide layers
Message-ID:
Why is this happening?
Why is the hidden "lyr4" showing up automatically when I put
Please see: http://tinyurl.com/g2tfz
You can click the images above the scrolling textfield to swap between
hidden "lyr1", "lyr2", "lyr3", "lyr4" content
It works perfectly for 3 swaplayers but when I add more than 3 "lyr" then
this happens.
Help!
~Maya
From andrew at milords.com Fri Mar 3 04:36:13 2006
From: andrew at milords.com (A Maynes)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:36:13 -0000
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <000401c63eae$4b57e180$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
Hi thanks do you have a link?
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: James Conley [mailto:Conleyj at kubota-kma.com]
Sent: 02 March 2006 20:46
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
If you are using MS SQL Server then this sure sounds like a job for DTS.
James c
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of A Maynes
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:14 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am
currently looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file
somewhere locally and then running an upload task (all of this
needs to be automated) so any help/info would be a great help.
Andrew
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From juha.suni at sparecom.fi Fri Mar 3 04:58:21 2006
From: juha.suni at sparecom.fi (Juha Suni)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:58:21 -0000
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript - possible to dynamically change the TITLE
tag?
References: <20060303025438.49665.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002601c628b1$2a91abb0$8401a8c0@m6454c0093c614>
Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> Since my blog runs in wordpress, the only way I have to manipulate
> the TITLE for the whole site is in one file, and its the same on
> every page. This kind of blows for the search engines, it's best to
> have unique titles.
>
>> From what I can tell on the net, document.title = "foo" should
>> change the title - but I cannot get
> it to work. I've tried various versions,
Changing the title via javascript would do no good as far as SEO is
concerned. It's javascript, remember?
--
Suni
From lee.kowalkowski at lycos.com Fri Mar 3 05:39:21 2006
From: lee.kowalkowski at lycos.com (Lee Kowalkowski)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 06:39:21 -0500
Subject: [thelist] overflow:auto and show/hide layers
Message-ID: <20060303113922.162D9CA080@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maya Sunpongco"
>
> Why is the hidden "lyr4" showing up automatically
lyr4 is not hidden. Only lyr1-3 are hidden in your stylesheet.
- LK
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From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Fri Mar 3 08:15:26 2006
From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:15:26 -0500
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
Message-ID:
DTS is built into SQL Server starting with version 7.0 IIRC. So you
should have it if you have SQL 2000 or 7.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dtssql/
dts_basic_71v7.asp
DTS can automate [just about] anything in SQL Server. There are DTS
tasks for executing a query/SP, exporting data, importing data, etc.
Combined with the SQL Server Scheduler which can run queries, execute
DOS command-line commands, etc. you should have the tools you need.
james c.
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of A Maynes
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:36 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
Hi thanks do you have a link?
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: James Conley [mailto:Conleyj at kubota-kma.com]
Sent: 02 March 2006 20:46
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
If you are using MS SQL Server then this sure sounds like a job for DTS.
James c
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of A Maynes
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:14 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am
currently looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file
somewhere locally and then running an upload task (all of this
needs to be automated) so any help/info would be a great help.
Andrew
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From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Fri Mar 3 08:38:47 2006
From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:38:47 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Live support script?
In-Reply-To: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com>
References: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com>
Message-ID: <440854F7.50804@craftedsolutions.com>
I use PHP Live Helper on my site and several of my clients. It is
relatively inexpensive, but has a lot of features. There is a 7-day
trial version on the site:
http://www.turnkeywebtools.com/index.php/location/products/product/phplivehelper/
I have several licenses that I purchased in volume that I can offer if
you are interested.
Norman
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803.405.1008
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Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) wrote:
>One of my clients sent me the following request:
>"a single chat support that would be on our main webpage that anyone can
>log in from any location,our main location in Mississauga will be the
>one answering the questions. We would answer mostly general questions
>regarding our services just like we do on the phone. We would like to
>show the hours we'd be available for chat support and to be notified
>like msn when someone is on the line, also, if there's a way that Tina
>can do this from her home computer. Is there also a way the person can
>register first before login to our chat support line (to avoid misusers)."
>Their site is currently using a PHP CMS and I have found chat modules
>for it but the issue is the notification part.
>Can anybody recommend a PHP solution that has a notification like MSN
>(the popup saying so and so is online) ?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>FayeC
>
>
>
>
>
>
From steven.pierce at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 09:00:14 2006
From: steven.pierce at gmail.com (Steven Pierce)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:00:14 -0800
Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
In-Reply-To: <000801c63dd9$b5a62540$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
References: <6e0cf1cc0603011038te9354c6xf5c0e60ae2f6d6af@mail.gmail.com>
<000801c63dd9$b5a62540$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
Message-ID: <6e0cf1cc0603030700h52cd4e84j4a623dcd88b5d8ef@mail.gmail.com>
I am sorry that I did not get right back to you. I got side tracked
yesterday.
The main part of it is setting up the task to allow it to run at a specific
time.
You do a new task (right click and create new) and then follow the
wizard.
Once you are done, then you can go in and edit it so that it runs when you
need it to.
Steven
On 3/2/06, A Maynes wrote:
>
> Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am currently
> looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file somewhere locally
> and then running an upload task (all of this needs to be automated) so
> any help/info would be a great help.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Pierce [mailto:steven.pierce at gmail.com]
> Sent: 01 March 2006 18:38
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
>
>
> Task scheduler can really powerful. I work for a small windows
> consulting shop, and we use task scheduler to do some of the
> back up's. It is then moved to a second drive (USB External).
> It then sends a report to our server so that we can view it to
> make sure it ran. It will give you date and time, or just day
> of the week. We currently have it run on Monday evening about 2 am.
>
> HTH...
>
>
> On 3/1/06, Chris Dempsey wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.natso-backup.com/
> > I'll check this out.
> >
> > > If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the
> > > ability
> > to
> > > run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do
> > > everything that you mentioned above.
> > It's Windows boxes we host on.
> >
> > Thanks guys.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
> > > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK
> > > Sent: 01 March 2006 16:21
> > > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > > Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler
> > >
> > > I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs:
> > >
> > > http://www.natso-backup.com/
> > >
> > > it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc.
> > >
> > > it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > --
> > > Volkan Ozcelik
> > > +>Yep! I'm blogging! :
> > > +>http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/
> > > +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
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From don at pasewark.com Fri Mar 3 10:16:52 2006
From: don at pasewark.com (Donald Pasewark)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:16:52 -0800
Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Hi All,
I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to
our sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing
(through Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred.
When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and
HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the
right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML
Email and what formatting limitations there may be.
Thanks!
Don
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From morrison.ben at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 10:21:40 2006
From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:21:40 +0000
Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <6073aef90603030821v60d99101s2272772c9b4d08d3@mail.gmail.com>
On 3/3/06, Donald Pasewark wrote:
>
> I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to
> our sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing
> (through Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred.
>
> When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and
> HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the
> right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML
> Email and what formatting limitations there may be.
When i've made HTML emails I have generally stuck to HTML 3.0 and
avoided the use of CSS. Dare i say it - even using simple tables for
layout.
Apparently support for CSS is improving in email clients, but its a
lot of work to take on for what is generally a little return
financially.
This link will help you if you wish to carry on with the CSS route:
http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2005/08/optimizing_css_1.html
hth ben.
From jacob at jaacob.com Fri Mar 3 10:55:01 2006
From: jacob at jaacob.com (Jacob Reiff)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:55:01 -0800
Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
> Hi All,
>
> I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to
> our sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing
> (through Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred.
>
> When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and
> HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the
> right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML
> Email and what formatting limitations there may be.
>
Don -
Since there is such a wide variety of email clients out there (with
differing levels of support), the number one rule is to test, test,
test. Most subscribe to the rule that you can only use CSS for
decoration, not positioning in email. Inline CSS is the best way to
ensure it doesn't get stripped out by the client.
One source of info is the css-d wiki:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=StyleInEmail
Also, this ALA article has some good information on the limitations
you should place on how you code:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssemail/
--
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From chris at lwcdial.net Fri Mar 3 11:56:21 2006
From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:56:21 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Print stylesheet hiding URL
Message-ID: <001c01c63eeb$e805d1d0$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
I was just wondering, is it possible to hide the URL of the page being
printed? It gets placed in the footer or header by default depending on
browser.
If the pages in question are sensitive it might help security through
obscurity if you could avoid the location of the pages being unnecessarily
printed.
From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Fri Mar 3 12:06:59 2006
From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:06:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question
Message-ID:
I had to do an HTML/emailer thing not too long ago and it looks like
[Outlook at least] can handle a tag set. I used CSS and
put it inside the email inside of a style tag.
james
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[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of ben morrison
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:22 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML Email question
On 3/3/06, Donald Pasewark wrote:
>
> I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to our
> sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing (through
> Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred.
>
> When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and
> HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the
> right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML
> Email and what formatting limitations there may be.
When i've made HTML emails I have generally stuck to HTML 3.0 and
avoided the use of CSS. Dare i say it - even using simple tables for
layout.
Apparently support for CSS is improving in email clients, but its a lot
of work to take on for what is generally a little return financially.
This link will help you if you wish to carry on with the CSS route:
http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2005/08/optimizing_css_1.ht
ml
hth ben.
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From rdornin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 3 12:14:01 2006
From: rdornin at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dornin)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:14:01 +0000
Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
I would look at the source of some html emails from well known companies to
see what they do.
I would bet that they use the style tags and have all styling in the html,
meaning no linking to style sheets.
In my html email newsletter, I use something like this in the head, and
regular classes and ids in the body. It comes out fine in outlook and most
other email browsers i've seen.
Good Luck and let us know what you discover.
RD
From: "James Conley"
Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org"
To:
Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML Email question
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:06:59 -0500
I had to do an HTML/emailer thing not too long ago and it looks like
[Outlook at least] can handle a tag set. I used CSS and
put it inside the email inside of a style tag.
james
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of ben morrison
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:22 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML Email question
On 3/3/06, Donald Pasewark wrote:
>
> I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to our
> sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing (through
> Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred.
>
> When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and
> HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the
> right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML
> Email and what formatting limitations there may be.
When i've made HTML emails I have generally stuck to HTML 3.0 and
avoided the use of CSS. Dare i say it - even using simple tables for
layout.
Apparently support for CSS is improving in email clients, but its a lot
of work to take on for what is generally a little return financially.
This link will help you if you wish to carry on with the CSS route:
http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2005/08/optimizing_css_1.ht
ml
hth ben.
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From drew.trusz at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 12:39:52 2006
From: drew.trusz at gmail.com (Drew Trusz)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:39:52 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS
In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
References: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
Message-ID: <16e49aa10603031039v722c4cbqcc6bcbf3c19ff1e2@mail.gmail.com>
On 3/2/06, jblanchard at pocket.com wrote:
> Howdy group!
>
> I am trying to position 2 graphics side by side with each other and
> having problems getting the gap between them to close. Here is the CSS
>
> /* header */
> #header {
> position: fixed;
> background: transparent;
> padding: 0px;
> }
> #header div.left {
> background-image:
> url(../grfx/1280_header_left_anim_out_only.gif);
> background-repeat: no-repeat;
> float: left;
> width: 270px;
> height: 165px;
> margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
> }
> #header div.right {
> background-image: url(../grfx/1280_header_right.gif);
> background-repeat: no-repeat;
> margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
> height: 165px;
> padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
> }
>
> And here is the HTML
>
>
>
You might want to look at collapsing margins in css2.1 to see where
the problem originates:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/box.html#collapsing-margins
Also, the 3px issue is fully discussed on position-is-everything. If
you haven't been there before:
http://www.positioniseverything.net
drew
From asifsuria at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 12:53:08 2006
From: asifsuria at yahoo.com (Asif Suria)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:53:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060303185308.65144.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com>
I have been sending out HTML email for the last few
months as well and the one thing that caused a lot of
trouble was the use of CSS. Sometimes the CSS you use
could override the CSS used by web based email systems
such as Yahoo or Hotmail and at other times their CSS
could override yours. Also for those people who do not
wish to get HTML email, providing an alternative is
always a good idea. As others on the list mentioned,
you will have to do a whole lot of testing.
When I was looking for a service to send out my
monthly newsletters, Jono suggested
http://www.CampaignMonitor.com and I am extremely
satisfied with their service and their reporting capabilities.
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From steve.illgen at crackerbarrel.com Fri Mar 3 11:52:53 2006
From: steve.illgen at crackerbarrel.com (Illgen Steve 448)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:52:53 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits
Message-ID: <0F4361173DBFA44C904F4EBFDC965630D049@exchange03.CBOCS.com>
We are seeing exactly the same thing with IE 6 running on Windows XP. This appears to be causing other problems with our application server as well.
Did you ever find a solution for this?
Thanks,
Steve Illgen
From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 14:51:44 2006
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:51:44 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
Message-ID: <0F8747FA-C152-47AA-80DE-A1E58FE639A8@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Hi all
This should be simple, but for some reason I can't work out why this
isn't working. This is what I've got:
And this is what I want:
Before anyone says anything, yes I know using JS to insert links is
bad - this whole thing started off as a "I'll just write this script
for a couple of quick development tasks to show proof of concept" and
now it's just something that I can't get working. In the actual
document everything works fine except the inserting bit - I've tried
using appendChild, firstChild.insertBefore and just about everything
else, but it just won't play. Here's what I've got:
- Quarter 1 link
- Quarter 2 link
- Quarter 3 link
Cheers
F
From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 15:06:31 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:06:31 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
In-Reply-To: <0F8747FA-C152-47AA-80DE-A1E58FE639A8@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
References: <0F8747FA-C152-47AA-80DE-A1E58FE639A8@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID:
On 3/3/06, fstorr wrote:
> items[i].lastChild.insertBefore(a, items[i]);
Well, I can say that this will not work. I think what you want is:
items[i].insertBefore(a, items[i].lastChild);
However, I'm not sure what items[i].lastChild would return when there
are no children. It must not be null or you would be getting a script
error.
I would suggest using appendChild, though. I know you said you gave it
a shot, but try it again, becuse it should work fine.
items[i].appendChild(a);
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From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Mar 3 15:10:26 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:10:26 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
Message-ID: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com>
Matt will probably have my head, but what about var items = lists[0].getElementsByTagName("li");
for (var i=0;i";
}
? If that doesn't work, let us know what's happening (error message, unexpected results, absolutely nothing) and we'll sort it out.
Cheers,
Peter
----------------------------------------
From: fstorr
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 1:56 PM
To: Evolt
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
Hi all
This should be simple, but for some reason I can't work out why this
isn't working. This is what I've got:
Quarter 1
Quarter 2
And this is what I want:
Quarter 1
Quarter 2
Before anyone says anything, yes I know using JS to insert links is
bad - this whole thing started off as a "I'll just write this script
for a couple of quick development tasks to show proof of concept" and
now it's just something that I can't get working. In the actual
document everything works fine except the inserting bit - I've tried
using appendChild, firstChild.insertBefore and just about everything
else, but it just won't play. Here's what I've got:
function alertnone()
{
var content = document.getElementById("content");
var lists = content.getElementsByTagName("ul");
var items = lists[0].getElementsByTagName("li");
for (var i=0;i
Quarter 1 link
Quarter 2 link
Quarter 3 link
Cheers
F
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From jbruso at SHERIDAN.EDU Fri Mar 3 15:15:14 2006
From: jbruso at SHERIDAN.EDU (Bruso, John)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:15:14 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU>
I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for
web design/development of their web sites or portals.
Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P
Wouldn't it be nice? :)
John
-------------------------
John Bruso
IS Developer
Sheridan College
ph 307.674-6446-2608
From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Mar 3 15:19:07 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:19:07 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID: <8d148ecfdb644c3981257c9250c08f2b@easylistbox.com>
I have a handful of clients like this, but they're generally the sort who don't have any IT operations to speak of. Work is slow to not-quite-slow right now.
From: "Bruso, John"
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:16 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for
web design/development of their web sites or portals.
Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P
Wouldn't it be nice? :)
John
-------------------------
John Bruso
IS Developer
Sheridan College
ph 307.674-6446-2608
From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Mar 3 15:24:14 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:24:14 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID:
> I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
> movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely,
> especially for
> web design/development of their web sites or portals.
I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and
better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management)
wants to see a body here in front of a computer.
spinhead
From jbruso at SHERIDAN.EDU Fri Mar 3 15:27:49 2006
From: jbruso at SHERIDAN.EDU (Bruso, John)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:27:49 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F87@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU>
Yeah, I see that as well.. there is a paradigm of control that is so
hard to break... our jobs can really be done remotely.
-------------------------
John Bruso
IS Developer
Sheridan College
ph 307.674-6446-2608
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Canfield, Joel
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:24 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
> I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
> movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely,
> especially for
> web design/development of their web sites or portals.
I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and
better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management)
wants to see a body here in front of a computer.
spinhead
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From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Mar 3 15:29:41 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:29:41 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID:
My current (day job) employer is a giant insurance company. Our team members are allowed to work remotely at times (usually when they need to be out for some reason), but they are required to use a company laptop.
From: "Canfield, Joel" JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org
> I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
> movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely,
> especially for
> web design/development of their web sites or portals.
I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and
better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management)
wants to see a body here in front of a computer.
spinhead
From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Mar 3 15:31:07 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:31:07 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID:
> Yeah, I see that as well.. there is a paradigm of control that is so
> hard to break... our jobs can really be done remotely.
Empirical evidence I've gathered shows that telecommuters who produce at
the office produce more, better, from home (or wherever.)
Here, the issue is not opening the door to others requesting it. But
when I bring it up again, I'll be using the uniqueness of my job
description as a lever.
From d.ryan.johnston at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 15:33:34 2006
From: d.ryan.johnston at gmail.com (Ryan Johnston)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:33:34 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
I work for a leading online agency and can say that of all the development
'roles', only the top flash developers are able to work from any location
they wish (home, other city, other country, etc.). The market is pretty
tight for exceptional flash developers at the moment.
Everyone else must come to work each day :)
--ryan
On 3/3/06, Canfield, Joel wrote:
>
> > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
> > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely,
> > especially for
> > web design/development of their web sites or portals.
>
> I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and
> better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management)
> wants to see a body here in front of a computer.
>
> spinhead
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From april at farstrider.org Fri Mar 3 15:41:13 2006
From: april at farstrider.org (April)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:41:13 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
In-Reply-To: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU>
References: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU>
Message-ID: <4408B7F9.9020900@farstrider.org>
Around here, a common job ad for a contractor goes "must be in office
for initial meeting and 1 to 2 days per week". They're fine with some
or all of the work being from home, but want to meet in person initially.
Very few advertise a salaried position as full telecommute for web
design. Working from home 2 or 3 days a week is a common perk, though.
There's a few for more menial tasks like data entry, that also have
really easily measurable deliverables for each day (20 articles a day,
500 forms a day, etc.). I do know a number of people (web designers and
non) who telecommute either part or full time, but it's usually after
working somewhere for a while in office, then something coming up that
makes telecommute more convenient for one or the other party... and
everyone agreeing to the idea.
Bruso, John wrote:
> I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
> movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for
> web design/development of their web sites or portals.
>
> Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P
>
> Wouldn't it be nice? :)
>
> John
>
> -------------------------
> John Bruso
> IS Developer
> Sheridan College
> ph 307.674-6446-2608
>
>
>
>
From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 15:38:50 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:38:50 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
> From: "Canfield, Joel" JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org
>
> > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
> > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely,
> > especially for
> > web design/development of their web sites or portals.
>
> I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and
> better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management)
> wants to see a body here in front of a computer.
I am in a consultant relationship right now, so it might not really
apply. But, I had to specifically request a seat in the office, as
they just assumed I would work remotely except in rare occasions
(meetings, close work with employees, etc.).
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Oxford, OH, USA
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From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Mar 3 15:38:12 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:38:12 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID:
Sounds like what I've seen as well.
By the way, what's "around here"? I wouldn't mind finding more ads like that. :)
From: April april at farstrider.org
Around here, a common job ad for a contractor goes "must be in office
for initial meeting and 1 to 2 days per week". They're fine with some
or all of the work being from home, but want to meet in person initially.
Very few advertise a salaried position as full telecommute for web
design. Working from home 2 or 3 days a week is a common perk, though.
There's a few for more menial tasks like data entry, that also have
really easily measurable deliverables for each day (20 articles a day,
500 forms a day, etc.). I do know a number of people (web designers and
non) who telecommute either part or full time, but it's usually after
working somewhere for a while in office, then something coming up that
makes telecommute more convenient for one or the other party... and
everyone agreeing to the idea.
Bruso, John wrote:
> I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
> movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for
> web design/development of their web sites or portals.
>
> Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P
>
> Wouldn't it be nice? :)
>
> John
From dexilalolai at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 15:48:34 2006
From: dexilalolai at yahoo.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:48:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
In-Reply-To: <4408B7F9.9020900@farstrider.org>
Message-ID: <20060303214834.71960.qmail@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
I work for a large (Fortune500) mortgage transaction services company, and we have around 130ish in the IT dept (not including contractors). I think we're a little progressive; working from home is okay and they're fairly agreeable to it. We do some offshore outsourcing too. I've been 100% remote since I moved back in October, and my initial fears about playing outside the corporate culture have been assuaged since (a raise and noticable increase in productivity helps). It's something that comes up in the interview, but I'm pretty sure we wouldn't hire someone outright as remote-only (other than offshore folks, and even then we have their liasons in the office)...
sgd
----- Original Message ----
Bruso, John wrote:
> I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
> movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for
> web design/development of their web sites or portals.
>
From april at farstrider.org Fri Mar 3 16:05:14 2006
From: april at farstrider.org (April)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:05:14 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4408BD9A.9040208@farstrider.org>
Sorry, around here is Bay Area, California. Oakland, San Francisco, San
Jose and all the stuff in between.
I should clarify that by "common" I meant when you see it you aren't
surprised... not it's the ad you see most often.
Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote:
> Sounds like what I've seen as well.
>
> By the way, what's "around here"? I wouldn't mind finding more ads like that. :)
>
> From: April april at farstrider.org
>
> Around here, a common job ad for a contractor goes "must be in office
> for initial meeting and 1 to 2 days per week". They're fine with some
> or all of the work being from home, but want to meet in person initially.
>
> Very few advertise a salaried position as full telecommute for web
> design. Working from home 2 or 3 days a week is a common perk, though.
> There's a few for more menial tasks like data entry, that also have
> really easily measurable deliverables for each day (20 articles a day,
> 500 forms a day, etc.). I do know a number of people (web designers and
> non) who telecommute either part or full time, but it's usually after
> working somewhere for a while in office, then something coming up that
> makes telecommute more convenient for one or the other party... and
> everyone agreeing to the idea.
>
> Bruso, John wrote:
>> I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
>> movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for
>> web design/development of their web sites or portals.
>>
>> Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P
>>
>> Wouldn't it be nice? :)
>>
>> John
From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 16:34:33 2006
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:34:33 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
In-Reply-To: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com>
References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com>
Message-ID: <0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
On 3 Mar, 2006, at 21:10, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote:
> items[i].innerHTML = "" + items[i].innerHTML + "";
> }
Hi Peter
The innerHTML works fine, but I'd quite like to avoid using non-
standard stuff if possible. Both of Matt's suggestions didn't work
unfortunately.
Regards
F
From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 16:56:23 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:56:23 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
In-Reply-To: <0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com>
<0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4408C997.6040009@gmail.com>
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> On 3 Mar, 2006, at 21:10, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote:
> Both of Matt's suggestions didn't work
> unfortunately.
Weird. Do you have a page where we can check this out?
- --
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com
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From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 17:15:26 2006
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:15:26 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
In-Reply-To: <4408C997.6040009@gmail.com>
References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com>
<0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
<4408C997.6040009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37A5DCC0-2F00-4BA4-995F-F330C9BC69A9@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
On 3 Mar, 2006, at 22:56, Matt Warden wrote:
>
> fstorr wrote:
>> On 3 Mar, 2006, at 21:10, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote:
>> Both of Matt's suggestions didn't work unfortunately.
>
> Weird. Do you have a page where we can check this out?
Yeah, that's what I thought. I've put the code back to appendChild,
and there's a page here:
http://www.thespiceweasel.com/js.html
Regards
F
From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 17:43:23 2006
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:43:23 +0000
Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <6E1CC414-CEE1-48F6-BEE0-D267C66B7A05@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
On 3 Mar, 2006, at 16:16, Donald Pasewark wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and
> HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the
> right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML
> Email and what formatting limitations there may be.
>
I read up on this about a month ago as I had to design HTML emails
for the first time. Basically, to "bullet-proof" it, apply all your
styles inline - you can't rely on adding CSS into the head of a
document as, when viewed in some webmail clients, you'll find that
their CSS rules (especially governing things like body background
colour and text formatting) will overwrite yours. You do end up
with horrible tag-soup code, but it does result in a consistent look
in everything I tried (Outlook, Mail on the Mac, Gmail, Hotmail).
The Alistapart article is good - make sure you go through the
discussion as well as there's some more good stuff in there.
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssemail/
Regards
F
From howard at dhitechnologies.com Fri Mar 3 18:06:20 2006
From: howard at dhitechnologies.com (Howard Jess)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:06:20 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <200603031606.20668.howard@dhitechnologies.com>
F wrote
> This should be simple, but for some reason I can't work out why this ?
> isn't working. ?This is what I've got:
>
>
> - Quarter 1
> - Quarter 2
>
>
> And this is what I want:
>
>
>
> Before anyone says anything, yes I know using JS to insert links is ?
> bad
Why is this bad? Unless your page *depends* on the links' existence,
there's nothing wrong with this.
>
>
>
> - Quarter 1 link
> - Quarter 2 link
> - Quarter 3 link
> ?
OK, look at this as a DOM tree:
ul
li
[text]
li
[text]
li
[text]
In this line in your code
items[i].lastChild.insertBefore(a, items[i]);
items[i] is an - element.
items[i].lastChild is a text node.
So
items[i].lastChild.insertBefore(a, items[i])
means
insert the element before the
- (items[i]) child of the text
node (items[i].lastChild).
This is obviously wrong. You really want to move the text of the
-
into the you created, and make the a child of the
- ; so
(untested):
function alertnone() {
? ? var content = document.getElementById("content");
? ? var lists = content.getElementsByTagName("ul");
? ? var items = lists[0].getElementsByTagName("li");
? ? for (var i=0;i
? ? ? ? items[i].appendChild(a);
? ?}
}
hj
From me at machak.com Fri Mar 3 18:15:39 2006
From: me at machak.com (m.milicevic)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:15:39 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com><0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk><4408C997.6040009@gmail.com>
<37A5DCC0-2F00-4BA4-995F-F330C9BC69A9@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001001c63f20$c64bd640$4001a8c0@jjooee>
Hi there,
[snip]
> http://www.thespiceweasel.com/js.html
it should look something like this:
var a = document.createElement("a");
a.setAttribute("href", "#");
a.appendChild(items[i].firstChild)
items[i].appendChild(a);
-
m.j.milicevic
From saraiyap at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 18:47:34 2006
From: saraiyap at yahoo.com (Parshadi Saraiya)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:47:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question
In-Reply-To: <6E1CC414-CEE1-48F6-BEE0-D267C66B7A05@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20060304004734.63437.qmail@web32110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
I read up on this about a month ago as I had to design HTML emails
for the first time. Basically, to "bullet-proof" it, apply all your
styles inline - you can't rely on adding CSS into the head of a
document as, when viewed in some webmail clients, you'll find that
their CSS rules (especially governing things like body background
colour and text formatting) will overwrite yours. You do end up
with horrible tag-soup code, but it does result in a consistent look
in everything I tried (Outlook, Mail on the Mac, Gmail, Hotmail).
I agree. We have been sending out HTML emails for a while. We use only inline styles and avoid using graphics if possible. Our HTML emails work fine on almost all new browsers for both Mac and PC.
-Parshadi.
---------------------------------
Yahoo! Mail
Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Mar 3 18:47:34 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:47:34 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID:
> I am in a consultant relationship right now, so it might not really
> apply.
exactly; my consulting gigs assume I have my own office and some
wouldn't have room for me if I asked ;)
From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Mar 3 18:50:00 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:50:00 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID:
> Sorry, around here is Bay Area, California. Oakland, San
> Francisco, San
> Jose and all the stuff in between.
>
> I should clarify that by "common" I meant when you see it you aren't
> surprised... not it's the ad you see most often.
hey, my 'around here' is sacramento; our 'other office' is downtown SF.
Yeah, my contacts in the bay area consider it normal to telecommute to
some extent. wonder if the incomprehensible price of office space has
anything to do with it?
From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Mar 3 18:57:39 2006
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:57:39 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E691F4D41@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
: -----Original Message-----
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Illgen Steve 448
: Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 4:53 AM
: To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
: Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits
:
: We are seeing exactly the same thing with IE 6 running on Windows XP. This
: appears to be causing other problems with our application server as well.
:
: Did you ever find a solution for this?
:
: Thanks,
:
: Steve Illgen
Get a network capture from both ends to see what's actually being transmitted
between client and server. Until then we don't know why you are seeing the
duplicate requests, and talking about a solution is premature.
Cheers
Ken
From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Mar 3 19:00:56 2006
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:00:56 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E691F4D42@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
: -----Original Message-----
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Canfield, Joel
: Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 11:48 AM
: To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
: Subject: Re: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
:
: > I am in a consultant relationship right now, so it might not really
: > apply.
:
: exactly; my consulting gigs assume I have my own office and some
: wouldn't have room for me if I asked ;)
Interesting. I've found that clients expect consultants to be in the office
at all times. Contractors, different story. Maybe I'm drawing too fine a line
between a contractor and a consultant.
Cheers
Ken
From larry at sigmawebstudios.com Fri Mar 3 22:22:23 2006
From: larry at sigmawebstudios.com (Larry Levenson)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:22:23 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
In-Reply-To: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN. EDU>
References: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060303211813.01e41d30@sigmawebstudios.com>
John,
OK, I'll go against the "flow" on this one. . .
I own a web design/consulting firm. All members of our team work
remotely, and we ALL work remotely from our customers. We have work
all over the US and keep busy. Meetings are conducted with
GoToMeeting and this is very satisfactory.
Having said this, don't think it's easy to "go remote". Then has been
a lot of trial and error in communicating and designing systems that
work well for dispersed teams. However, we have found this to be a
most agreeable way to work.
Larry Levenson
Sigma Web Studios
Prescott AZ
At 02:15 PM 3/3/2006, you wrote:
>I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any
>movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for
>web design/development of their web sites or portals.
>
>Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P
>
>Wouldn't it be nice? :)
>
>John
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From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 4 02:24:06 2006
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:24:06 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher
In-Reply-To: <001001c63f20$c64bd640$4001a8c0@jjooee>
References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com><0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk><4408C997.6040009@gmail.com>
<37A5DCC0-2F00-4BA4-995F-F330C9BC69A9@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
<001001c63f20$c64bd640$4001a8c0@jjooee>
Message-ID: <160AEA47-52B6-42B6-B899-87BDF1EDA9BB@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
m.j, howard - thanks. That makes sense - I just wasn't thinking
around the problem well enough.
Regards
F
From moseley at hank.org Sat Mar 4 08:12:30 2006
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 06:12:30 -0800
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question
In-Reply-To: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060304141229.GA27464@hank.org>
Tom,
Have you considered using something like Prototype's Ajax.Updater?
http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Ajax.Updater
--
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org
From webguync at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 13:31:46 2006
From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:31:46 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript to sort columns not working
Message-ID: <463b785d0603041131wa755470u9616b287a1a4e973@mail.gmail.com>
I have a page where I am using a script I found on the web ti *try*
and sort the columns alphabetically and numericaly.
Right now it's not working and I can;t figure out why. I probably
haven't replaced the JS with the correct info. to fit my needs, but
was hoping there could some assistance from users on this list.
The page is http://www.inspired-evolution.com/skillset.php
The JS code can be found through view source.
Thanks in advance!
--
::Bruce::
From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 13:38:03 2006
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:38:03 +0200
Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production
In-Reply-To: <440738BD.7030409@alphanumeric.cz>
References:
<440738BD.7030409@alphanumeric.cz>
Message-ID:
> invest some time in ensuring that the links are all relative, and to
> remove all server-specific items to a config file of some sort;
I second that.
I do it generally on my web.config file.
I have developement constants (such as db connection strings,
predefined directories etc)
and their production counterparts declared the same web.config file.
So far, I have done the syncing in two different ways:
- Either at code execution phase I sniff the url (Request.URL in
asp.net) and decide which constant to use.
- Or define yet another variance on the web.config file (say Environment)
and choose local connection string if Environment is "LOCAL" and
development connection string if Environment is "DEVELOPMENT" etc.
Just change this single variable and upload the config file.
Although what I do is .net specific, imho, it can be implemented to
any server-side (scripting or compiled) language such as Classic ASP,
JSP, PHP, CF etc.
HTH,
--
Volkan Ozcelik
+>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/
+> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
From stevec at topdogstrategy.com Sat Mar 4 13:56:10 2006
From: stevec at topdogstrategy.com (Steve Clason)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:56:10 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Javascript to sort columns not working
In-Reply-To: <463b785d0603041131wa755470u9616b287a1a4e973@mail.gmail.com>
References: <463b785d0603041131wa755470u9616b287a1a4e973@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4409F0DA.9010404@topdogstrategy.com>
Bruce Gilbert wrote:
> I have a page where I am using a script I found on the web ti *try*
> and sort the columns alphabetically and numericaly.
>
> Right now it's not working and I can;t figure out why. I probably
> haven't replaced the JS with the correct info. to fit my needs, but
> was hoping there could some assistance from users on this list.
>
> The page is http://www.inspired-evolution.com/skillset.php
>
> The JS code can be found through view source.
I don't see any columns to sort or a script that wants to sort them.
Are you sure you gave us the right url?
--
Steve Clason
Web Design & Development
Boulder, Colorado, USA
www.topdogstrategy.com
(303)818-8590
From webguync at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 14:43:34 2006
From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:43:34 -0500
Subject: [thelist] [work] Javascript to sort columns not working
In-Reply-To: <4409F323.2070108@netvision.net>
References: <463b785d0603041131wa755470u9616b287a1a4e973@mail.gmail.com>
<4409F323.2070108@netvision.net>
Message-ID: <463b785d0603041243l18326167h751589da3a4b62d8@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks,
I tried adding the "#" and that doesn't do anything either.
The correc URL is http://www.inspired-evolution.com/Skillset.php
I would be glad to read about morer elegent solutions as well.
On 3/4/06, Hershel Robinson wrote:
> Oh, BTW, you did give the wrong URL. I found the link to it. :)
>
> Bruce Gilbert wrote:
> > I have a page where I am using a script I found on the web ti *try*
> > and sort the columns alphabetically and numericaly.
> >
> > Right now it's not working and I can;t figure out why. I probably
> > haven't replaced the JS with the correct info. to fit my needs, but
> > was hoping there could some assistance from users on this list.
> >
> > The page is http://www.inspired-evolution.com/skillset.php
> >
> > The JS code can be found through view source.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > --
> > ::Bruce::
>
>
--
::Bruce::
From moseley at hank.org Sat Mar 4 15:50:51 2006
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:50:51 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Question about memory leaks with Javascript and Ajax
Message-ID: <20060304215051.GA3143@hank.org>
I'm new to javascript, but I have seen comments about memory leaks.
I'm wondering if I need to be concerned about what I'm doing.
This message was warnocked on the Behaviour list -- sorry for any
duplicates.
I have a table that I apply events to using Behaviour.
http://bennolan.com/behaviour/
For example:
Behaviour.register( {
'#matrix td a' : function(e){
addEvent(e, 'click', stop_bubble, false );
e.onclick = function() {
return true;
}
}
} );
Now, that #matrix div can be completely replaced by an Ajax call (using
Ajax.Updater) -- the table's headings can be clicked to sort by a
column, for example, and the table is updated in-place.
In the Ajax.Updater call I specify an onComplete action of
"Behaviour.apply" to reapply the actions to the newly replaced table.
So, what I'm curious about is when I replace the table with the Ajax
call do I have to worry about those (old) events added to the original
table? That is, do updates to the DOM take care of garbage
collection?
--
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org
From steven.streight at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 16:39:19 2006
From: steven.streight at gmail.com (Steven Streight)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:39:19 -0600
Subject: [thelist] blog archive template problem
Message-ID:
Cannot get my blog to display monthly archives list. My template is a hodge
podge of a few different designs, plus my own tweaking. Is there a CSS
element prior to sidebar code, that needs changing?
The blog with problem is Vaspers the Grate (see URL in sig below). Thanks.
--
Steven Streight aka Vaspers the Grate
Web Usability. Blogs. RSS. Social Media.
http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com
SKYPE: vaspersthegrate
From ftarzwell at fayec.com Sat Mar 4 21:38:13 2006
From: ftarzwell at fayec.com (Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC))
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 22:38:13 -0500
Subject: [thelist] ITCN Forum and Microsoft SQL Server db conversions?
Message-ID: <440A5D25.7000500@fayec.com>
A client of mine has an ITCN Forum on her site. It was set up by the
hosting company.
SHe is not very happy with the Forum since it is not very easy to
customize and it's not something she can take with her if she changes
hosting companies.
It seems that you need access to the server to be able to install it and
some folders necessary for the Forum to work are not accessible through
normal ftp access.
My question is: what can I do to move this forum to a new host (client's
request) without losing all the threads and users already registered?
I think I could do a backup of the db but that doesn't mean anything
unless I can reinstall the forum in the new webspace which I am not sure
can be done.
Has anybody done such a thing? I mean moving from one forum to another
without losing all the data already stored in the db?
Thanks in advance for any tips on this matter,
FayeC
From rorylysaght at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 00:43:46 2006
From: rorylysaght at gmail.com (Rory Lysaght)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:43:46 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Javascript orderform speed issue
In-Reply-To: <6a0cd0650603042237h540a9ce1s75a9a5de88ae9e42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a0cd0650603042237h540a9ce1s75a9a5de88ae9e42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a0cd0650603042243n46178e28w24a86c8f344f403b@mail.gmail.com>
I've got a large order form that uses script to update the subtotal
automatically as soon as you enter a quantity. The page itself is
pretty large - about 1050 products in about 11 tables. I'm working on
slimming down that code. But the problem I have is the speed of
updating the page subtotal. Every time someone enters a number in the
quantity field, I need to loop through all 1050 fields to update the
page total. In Firefox it's really zippy, but in IE6/Win it's
incredibly slow. I'm guessing on older /slower PCs it's almost
unusable. I've optimized the Javascript as much as I can, but I'm
wondering if anyone can explain why it's radically slower in IE, or
suggest a faster way to do this?
You can see the form here: http://memoryboxco.com/orderform.htm
Thanks,
Rory
From mwarden at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 03:12:57 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 04:12:57 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript orderform speed issue
In-Reply-To: <6a0cd0650603042243n46178e28w24a86c8f344f403b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a0cd0650603042237h540a9ce1s75a9a5de88ae9e42@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <440AAB99.90100@gmail.com>
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Rory Lysaght wrote:
> I've got a large order form that uses script to update the subtotal
> automatically as soon as you enter a quantity. The page itself is
> pretty large - about 1050 products in about 11 tables. I'm working on
> slimming down that code. But the problem I have is the speed of
> updating the page subtotal. Every time someone enters a number in the
> quantity field, I need to loop through all 1050 fields to update the
> page total. In Firefox it's really zippy, but in IE6/Win it's
> incredibly slow. I'm guessing on older /slower PCs it's almost
> unusable. I've optimized the Javascript as much as I can, but I'm
> wondering if anyone can explain why it's radically slower in IE, or
> suggest a faster way to do this?
> You can see the form here: http://memoryboxco.com/orderform.htm
There's no need to go through every field. Only the ones the user has
touched.
Something like...
var touched = {};
window.onload = function()
{
var inputs = document.getElementsByTagName('input');
for (var i=0; i
I've got a large order form that uses script to update the subtotal
automatically as soon as you enter a quantity. The page itself is pretty
large - about 1050 products in about 11 tables. I'm working on slimming
down that code. But the problem I have is the speed of updating the page
total. Every time someone enters a number in the quantity field, I need to
loop through all 1050 fields to update the page total. In Firefox it's
pretty really zippy, but in IE6/Win it's incredibly slow. I'm guessing on
older /slower PCs it's almost unusable. I've optimized the Javascript as
much as I can, but I'm wondering if anyone can explain why it's radically
slower in IE, or suggest a faster way to do this?
You can see the form here: http://memoryboxco.com/orderform.htm
Thanks,
Rory
From dwclifton at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 13:45:22 2006
From: dwclifton at gmail.com (Douglas Clifton)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:45:22 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits
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> : -----Original Message-----
> : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
> : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Illgen Steve 448
> : Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 4:53 AM
> : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> : Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits
> :
> : We are seeing exactly the same thing with IE 6 running on Windows XP. This
> : appears to be causing other problems with our application server as well.
> :
> : Did you ever find a solution for this?
> :
> : Thanks,
> :
> : Steve Illgen
>
> Get a network capture from both ends to see what's actually being transmitted
> between client and server. Until then we don't know why you are seeing the
> duplicate requests, and talking about a solution is premature.
This can be caused by requests to resources that IE
refuses to cache. Are you using, for example, HTC
files, or compressed CSS/JS?
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From martin at easyweb.co.uk Sun Mar 5 17:00:28 2006
From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:00:28 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Announcing the evolt.org Design Contest!
Message-ID: <9560F308-9E5C-4FA0-A38D-696D55CC5026@easyweb.co.uk>
Hi folks
Ever looked at the evolt site and thought "I could do better than that"?
Ever thought "All very nice, but it's a bit 1999"?
Ever thought "It's not using *half* the potential that Drupal (plus
modules) gives it"?
Ever thought "Wish we could be as gorgeous as $insertsitehere"?
Well, now's your chance. Evolt.org is proud to announce a grand
Design Contest, to
redesign www.evolt.org. If your entry wins, it becomes the new design
- simple, eh?
Background, rules and so on at
http://evolt.org/2006-weo-design-contest
but the key things are:
1) The site's staying in Drupal
2) Ease of implementation is as important as beauty of design
3) Entries in by end April
Cheers
Martin
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From rob.smith at lexjet.com Sun Mar 5 18:29:15 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:29:15 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development?
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE019107D7@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>
I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and
better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management)
wants to see a body here in front of a computer.
I share the same sentiment. I'm actually replying to this post from my
home computer, terminal serviced in. I could have a VoiP phone and work
as if I were sitting at my desk. In fact, we had a lead developer do
that for a while. He just wasn't a people person and was in his
"element" at home.
In a similar instance at my last job, I took off for a month to visit my
wife's home country of South Africa. Upper management had two criteria
to let me take off that long of a time. One, I nail most of my major
projects prior to leaving, and I take a laptop with me so I can check my
email once or twice a week; just to make sure nothing had blown up.
A.k.a. ball and chain.
Fear not fellow evolter's, as we prove that to them over time our trust
and ability to work regardless of location, you'll see further leniency
towards our choice of work location. I'm dreaming of a beach front condo
in Cancun...or Tahiti, in a Tommy Bahama T-shirt sipping on "Octopus
Juice". It's a drink at the Living Sea's restaurant in EPCOT, Walt
Disney World, FL.
Yummy!
Rob Smith
LexJet
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From rorylysaght at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 18:38:16 2006
From: rorylysaght at gmail.com (Rory Lysaght)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:38:16 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Javascript orderform speed issue
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Matt,
Thanks. You were right - I don't need to cycle through the entire
form every single time. I just check the changed field and add it to
the subtotal. Script zips along now in Firefox and IE.
EXCEPT for one situation: if someone enters a bunch of items, then
goes back and deletes a previously entered number, the script has no
way to tell what quantity was just deleted and to update the total.
So in this case, I need to recalculate the entire form again. I moved
my old loop out into a function, so I only need to run it in this
case, but then I'm back to glacial performance in IE.
On 3/5/06, Matt Warden wrote:
> There's no need to go through every field. Only the ones the user has
> touched.
>
> Something like...
>
> var touched = {};
>
> window.onload = function()
> {
> var inputs = document.getElementsByTagName('input');
> for (var i=0; i inputs[i].onchange = markTouched;
> }
> }
>
> function markTouched(e)
> {
> e = e || window.event;
> var input = e.srcElement || e.target;
> var id = input.id;
> touched[id] = input.value;
> }
>
> function updateTotal()
> {
> var totalinput = ...;
> // ...
> // use the object touched = {id: value, id: value, etc.}
> // to calculate total. you don't really need to revisit
> // the actual input fields at this point.
> // ...
> }
>
> window.setInterval("updateTotal();", 800);
>
> - --
> Matt Warden
> Miami University
> Oxford, OH, USA
> http://mattwarden.com
From mwarden at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 18:51:11 2006
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:51:11 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Javascript orderform speed issue
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Rory Lysaght wrote:
> Matt,
> Thanks. You were right - I don't need to cycle through the entire
> form every single time. I just check the changed field and add it to
> the subtotal. Script zips along now in Firefox and IE.
> EXCEPT for one situation: if someone enters a bunch of items, then
> goes back and deletes a previously entered number, the script has no
> way to tell what quantity was just deleted and to update the total.
> So in this case, I need to recalculate the entire form again. I moved
> my old loop out into a function, so I only need to run it in this
> case, but then I'm back to glacial performance in IE.
You still need only compute the values in the fields in the touched
object. There is not a case that I can think of where you need to loop
through every input field, unless fields have starting values whe the
page is loaded (even then, you could get around it).
- --
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com
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