From harvester at lists.evolt.org Mon Feb 27 00:00:07 2006 From: harvester at lists.evolt.org (harvester at lists.evolt.org) Date: 27 Feb 2006 00:00:07 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Feb 20, 2006 Message-ID: <20060227060007.16878.qmail@tempest.evolt.org> The tip harvest for the Week of Monday Feb 20, 2006 has been added to the lists.evolt.org site. Get it at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/show.cgi?w=20060220 Week at a glance listing at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/week.cgi?w=20060220 Harvest Summary --------------- Number of messages: 180 Number of tips : 1 Tip Authors ----------- Max Schwanekamp (1) Tip Types --------- Time calculation shortcuts in PHP (1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What: Tips are how a list subscriber "pays" for making an off-topic post to the list (see List Info for more information). Of course, this does not make off-topic posts acceptable. :) How : You include a tip in your posting by using the [tip]...[/tip] tag (replace the square brackets with angle brackets). The tip tag takes the optional attributes of 'type' and 'author'. From andreaswahlin at bredband.net Mon Feb 27 03:04:05 2006 From: andreaswahlin at bredband.net (Andreas Wahlin) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:04:05 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Link and title accessibility Message-ID: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net> A few quick accessibility best practices in a row here: If you have a link where the link-text is exactly the same as you imagine the title-text to be, you should omit the title attribut right? MIT Also, as a side note, titles such as title="Go to Massachusetts Institute of Technology homepage" must be quite unneccesary, as everyone knows that links go to homepages. title="Massachusetts Institute of Technology" Should suffice, right? Andreas From maxwell.hung at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 03:20:17 2006 From: maxwell.hung at gmail.com (Matt Williams) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:20:17 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Subversion on windows In-Reply-To: <43F3400D.9060603@zstudio.co.uk> References: <43F3400D.9060603@zstudio.co.uk> Message-ID: Works fine across a network. I connect to the remote repository from here. Tortoise SVN is also the client I use. From morrison.ben at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 04:23:09 2006 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:23:09 +0000 Subject: [thelist] IE display behavior - image too wide for window In-Reply-To: <011e01c63b42$242c6f50$baf1070a@sea.adobe.com> References: <011e01c63b42$242c6f50$baf1070a@sea.adobe.com> Message-ID: <6073aef90602270223i23f83028pa4a8e9af27e7b777@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/06, Michael Slater wrote: > I'm struggling with a display behavior that I'm hoping folks on the list > will recognize. > > There is a fixed-width div floated to the left, and then a picture in a div > that sits next to it. It is a very simple piece of code: > > As long as the window is big enough to display the whole picture, Firefox > 1.5 and IE 6 both show the same, expected behavior. But if the window is too > narrow to display it all, Firefox just truncates the right edge of the > picture (which is the behavior I want), whereas IE knocks the start of the > image down below the end of the left bar (which is a big problem!). > > Am I doing something wrong here? Or is there a bug in IE that I need to work > around? This is a known bug with IE, more info can be found here: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/expandingboxbug.html Basically you can add overflow:hidden to the container so it will truncate it:
HTH Ben From n.beresford at anansi.co.uk Mon Feb 27 04:46:22 2006 From: n.beresford at anansi.co.uk (Norman Beresford) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:46:22 -0000 Subject: [thelist] PHP .xls export Message-ID: <70AB22AE1B3EAC4EADEEF39CE24F7B7C1BC9E6@zeus.hayloft.office> Hi Rick What version of Excel are you targetting? If it's the latest versions then create your spreadsheets as XML documents using the SpreadsheetML schema, which allows you full control over formatting. http://www.microsoft.com/office/xml/default.mspx Norman > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rick den Haan > Sent: 25 February 2006 18:48 > To: eVolt theList > Subject: [thelist] PHP .xls export > > Hey all, > > Can anybody recommend a PHP class that allows me to export to > the Microsoft Excel .XLS file format? Requirement: I need to > be able to format contents (in particular I need to be able > to make items bold) > > I've found lots of classes that allow me to output > unformatted data to Excel, but the only one that could output > bold items uses a PEAR module. > Unfortunately, my client's server does not have the PEAR > extension to PHP installed, and server admins have informed > me that installing it is not an option. > > I could use CSV output, but AFAIK that format does not > support formatting... > > Any ideas? > > Rick. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From marun2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 04:55:03 2006 From: marun2 at gmail.com (L. Mohan Arun) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:55:03 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Database driven site Message-ID: Hi I am looking to create a database-driven site of http://www.qatar.net.qa. The various types of pages are Services, Support, Downloads, FAQ, Glossary, News, etc., with external links to "Check Email" "Change Password" etc. I am unable to decide how to go about databasing content. The options I am considering are: (open for better suggestions) - Page templates for each type of content with separate database tables for each type - (has the advantage of being simpler to design and operate but requires significant design changes when a new type of content is to be added in which case a new page template and table is needed every time but how would it accommodate rich text/HTML content/Tables etc.) - A "Content" table with Content ID (key) and Content stored as rich text. (gives the appearance of too deceptively simple) Any other ideas? Thanks L Mohan Arun From beades at almonte.com Mon Feb 27 05:08:41 2006 From: beades at almonte.com (Brent Eades) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:08:41 -0500 Subject: [thelist] IE display behavior - image too wide for window In-Reply-To: <011e01c63b42$242c6f50$baf1070a@sea.adobe.com> References: <011e01c63b42$242c6f50$baf1070a@sea.adobe.com> Message-ID: <4402DDB9.5000504@almonte.com> Michael Slater wrote: > As long as the window is big enough to display the whole picture, Firefox > 1.5 and IE 6 both show the same, expected behavior. But if the window is too > narrow to display it all, Firefox just truncates the right edge of the > picture (which is the behavior I want), whereas IE knocks the start of the > image down below the end of the left bar (which is a big problem!). > > Am I doing something wrong here? Or is there a bug in IE that I need to work > around? Yes, there is a positioning bug in MSIE. Many of them, actually :) Anyway, this should work:
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Urgh... should really be th, I am quite sure excell swallows that, too. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From Ron.Luther at hp.com Mon Feb 27 08:26:52 2006 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:26:52 -0600 Subject: [thelist] PHP .xls export Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060AC7763E@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Matt Warden suggested: >>Yes, I am 99% sure you can use an HTML table and it will import >>correctly into Excel. Hi Matt, Just adding a caveat here because we ran into some issues with this technique recently. I think it works *at least* 99% of the time - if you are using it to export 'small' files. Seems to work swell. Unfortunately, two issues come up when you start playing with 'big' files: (1) This technique generates ginormous export file sizes. (2) The formatting can get flaky on you. (Date formats change midway through the file. Numbers become text. That kind of thing.) We were able to replicate the problem on a number of machines, but we weren't able to isolate a root cause. Records that seemed to trigger the format flakiness in the 'big' exports were handled with no problems when exported in a 'smaller' test case. They were also handled fine if you cut down the raw export file using a text editor to isolate a few records before and after the inflection point. It was weird. I firmly believe it's an artifact of Excel being a 'smart' application, but there is a possibility that hardware memory issues, different revs of Excel at different patch levels and text fields starting with somewhat-special characters, (+, ., etc.), may have played a role as well. Bottom line -- we had enough problems with this (and enough users wanting BIG file output) that I had to have my guys abandon this technique. I haven't seen any problems with 'small' files, but when you start pushing this technique to the limit it starts flaking out. HTH, RonL. From rob.smith at lexjet.com Mon Feb 27 09:18:12 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:18:12 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Reporting Services - No Reports? Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4A04@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> ... but it also has some administrative features, such as handling data sources and security. That's the one thing I can't get too that I really need. The config file you mentioned appears to be identical to a testing platform's config file. Both the testing and live servers are pointing to what appears to be the same respective directories. When I changed the publishing destination to the live server I did change one thing though: It was http://oldserver:8080/ReportServer to http://newserver/ReportServer At the same token, the "newserver" isn't on TCP port 8080....... Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From mwarden at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 09:48:01 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:48:01 -0500 Subject: [thelist] PHP .xls export In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0602270608o419ad090lfcf73340f0d36abb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4400AC08.5040104@gmail.com> <30bd6ffd0602270608o419ad090lfcf73340f0d36abb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44031F31.5000304@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christian Heilmann wrote: >> >> >> >> >>
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> > > Urgh... should really be th, I am quite sure excell swallows that, too. Maybe in this case, but just because he wants a cell that is bold doesn't mean it's a header. - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEAx8xrI3LObhzHRMRAnn8AJ9QJtICYhmUpF8n6fQakKuHQz7WtgCgu04h aDpXd+bEcf0NvrG4cUIXvbc= =SsGx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rachell at rachellcoe.com Mon Feb 27 12:10:01 2006 From: rachell at rachellcoe.com (Rachell Coe) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:10:01 -0800 Subject: [thelist] [WD]: Last Design Version -- I promise!!! In-Reply-To: <43FFBD18.6050307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004f01c63bc9$0770b510$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> I just wanted to thank all of you for your responses -- working from out of my home accompanied only by screaming kids and enough animals to qualify as a petting zoo (we even have a pet pig), I don't have the experienced eyes to critique my work (and being told they like it purple because it reminds them of candy does not count -- unless I was designing for children) -- so your comments and suggestions play a huge role in improving my designs. Thank you all so much!! Rachell Coe From rob.smith at lexjet.com Mon Feb 27 12:50:42 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:50:42 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Reporting Services - No Reports? SOLVED Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> Thanks to a post from Google Groups and a MSFT person, I needed to enable Windows NTFS permissions on the /Reports section of IIS instead of Anonymous Access. :-\ Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Mon Feb 27 16:13:38 2006 From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:13:38 +1300 Subject: [thelist] Tip: Subversion on Windows Message-ID: Hopefully this will save someone a lot of time. Once you find the right info (half the battle), setting up subversion is actually very easy. [1] Setting up Apache2 + Subversion: http://www.verysimple.com/support/viewtopic.php?p=392 [2] To get your first repository working, follow the simple readme tutorial among the Subversion install files: Program Files\Subversion\Readme.txt From rachell at rachellcoe.com Mon Feb 27 16:48:49 2006 From: rachell at rachellcoe.com (Rachell Coe) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:48:49 -0800 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> Message-ID: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up at http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think? From rick.denhaan at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 17:33:39 2006 From: rick.denhaan at gmail.com (Rick den Haan) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:33:39 +0100 Subject: [thelist] PHP .xls export In-Reply-To: <70AB22AE1B3EAC4EADEEF39CE24F7B7C1BC9E6@zeus.hayloft.office> References: <70AB22AE1B3EAC4EADEEF39CE24F7B7C1BC9E6@zeus.hayloft.office> Message-ID: Hi Norman, I'm targeting Excel 97 and up. I didn't know about the "SpreadsheetML schema", I'll have a look. I haven't had a chance to test over the week-end, but I'll be able to run a few tests tomorrow and I'll include this. Thanks for the tips everyone! I'll let you know what I decide on. Rick. On 2/27/06, Norman Beresford wrote: > > Hi Rick > > What version of Excel are you targetting? If it's the latest versions > then create your spreadsheets as XML documents using the SpreadsheetML > schema, which allows you full control over formatting. > > http://www.microsoft.com/office/xml/default.mspx > > Norman > From tstadler at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 17:50:14 2006 From: tstadler at gmail.com (Todd Stadler) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:50:14 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Link and title accessibility In-Reply-To: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net> References: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net> Message-ID: <7ab303120602271550u4e4e1c4bxea4050c4fa5597e9@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/06, Andreas Wahlin wrote: > If you have a link where the link-text is exactly the same as you > imagine the title-text to be, you should omit the title attribut right? I think so -- no need to be redundant. > MIT abbr> This would seem to fall under "redundant", so I wouldn't do it. It's important to know that MIT stands for Massachusetts Institute of Technology, so I'd keep it as the abbr title. > Also, as a side note, titles such as > title="Go to Massachusetts Institute of Technology homepage" > must be quite unneccesary, as everyone knows that links go to homepages. > title="Massachusetts Institute of Technology" > Should suffice, right? Not all links go to home pages, of course, but for those that do, I tend not to give any title attribute, assuming that the anchor text is self-explanatory. Links to non-home pages or links whose anchor text is not self-explanatory are ones that need a title attribute. Whether these are best practices or merely mine is up for debate. -- Todd Stadler, tstadler at gmail.com "You try to warn them that the world's gone mad, but they won't listen to you" -Snoopy From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Mon Feb 27 18:05:33 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:05:33 -0800 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? Message-ID: > I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and > have it up at > http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think? it's gorgeous I miss the building shot on the home page, but I'm an architecture freak so that may just be me; the grapes are luscious and made me scroll down to see the rest of the page nice balance of your own ideas and feedback from thelist joel From steven.pierce at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 00:19:09 2006 From: steven.pierce at gmail.com (Steven Pierce) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:19:09 -0800 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> Message-ID: <6e0cf1cc0602272219h110e9ae5k1b43eeb18c72cc@mail.gmail.com> I agree with the other one. I like the building shot much, much better. I think that the grapes are good, but that really made the site stand out. I like it though, it is easy on the eyes, and it allows you to look at the entire site. Steven On 2/27/06, Rachell Coe wrote: > > I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up > at > http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think? > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From mrmazda at ij.net Tue Feb 28 01:00:50 2006 From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:00:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> References: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> Message-ID: <4403F522.20705@ij.net> On 06/02/27 17:48 Rachell Coe apparently typed: > I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up at > http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think? http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/rachec1.jpg Quite attractive. Too small text. Note in the screenshot the significant difference in size between your page's P text and the size that works best for me (28px, ~12pt). If you're going to size text in pt, you need to be aware of the problems caused by doing so. First, IE users cannot resize your text with their browser's text resizer widget, and that amounts to poor accessibility. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/accessibility.html file:///G|/WWW/auth/defaultsize.html Second, You've specified the largest commonly available web font as first choice, but smaller fonts as alternates. As common as it is, Verdana is neither universally installed, nor universally liked. http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html If you must specify font-families for ordinary content P text, and for this very reason it's best not to, the only suitable comparably large size alternates for Verdana I'm aware of are DejaVu Sans, and Bitstream Vera Sans. but you've used the noticably smaller Arial, and the erratic but typically smaller Helvetica. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/images/fonts-comps-verdariahelv.png http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-comps-verdariahelv.html http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/images/font-verdvhelve.html http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/font-verd-v-helve.html Third, studies have shown users overwhelmingly prefer 12pt to 10pt. Examples can be found at http://psychology.wichita.edu/optimalweb/text.htm and http://www.unc.edu/~jkullama/inls181/final/font.html Elsewhere you can see your 10pt choice is the recommended minimum, the size below which no text on a page should go. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20020819.html Fourth, in addition to the non-resizability problem for IE users, pt simply shouldn't be used for sizing screen media text. First, it disregards user preferences. http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/fontsize.html Second, pt sizes depend on DPI, which is almost never correctly configured on personal computers, leading to unpredictable rendered sizes that typically have little relationship to what users want or the size the author thinks will result. http://hsivonen.iki.fi/units/ -- "Love your neighbor as yourself." Mark 12:31 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/auth From mrmazda at ij.net Tue Feb 28 01:18:43 2006 From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:18:43 -0500 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: <4403F522.20705@ij.net> References: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> <4403F522.20705@ij.net> Message-ID: <4403F953.6040309@ij.net> On 06/02/28 02:00 Felix Miata apparently typed: > file:///G|/WWW/auth/defaultsize.html Oops. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/defaultsize.html -- "Love your neighbor as yourself." Mark 12:31 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/auth From andreaswahlin at bredband.net Tue Feb 28 02:28:47 2006 From: andreaswahlin at bredband.net (Andreas Wahlin) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:28:47 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Link and title accessibility In-Reply-To: <7ab303120602271550u4e4e1c4bxea4050c4fa5597e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net> <7ab303120602271550u4e4e1c4bxea4050c4fa5597e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <250D5073-5479-4EC2-B08B-5732389A0208@bredband.net> > This would seem to fall under "redundant", so I wouldn't do it. It's > important to know that MIT stands for Massachusetts Institute of > Technology, so I'd keep it as the abbr title. > So you'd suggest dropping the link title and keep the abbr-tag? Never thought of that possibility :) > Whether these are best practices or merely mine is up for debate. Seems like we have the same ideas at least :) Andreas From rob.smith at lexjet.com Tue Feb 28 07:10:32 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:10:32 -0500 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4C95@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> I'm being picky here and this is something you can do on your spare time, but look at http://www.4thegrapes.com/Graphics.htm once more. There's one tiny problem with the "fixed" graphic. Don't let it "shadow" what you're currently working on. Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From codepo8 at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 07:33:07 2006 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:33:07 +0000 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0602280533o27928e1elb49035f58851161d@mail.gmail.com> > I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up at > http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think? I am missing a "you are here" state in the navigation. The current site should just not link to itself. I'd also be very careful about pricing information. Many a time I had ?200 in my head and got ?1500 after asking the client to come up with an offer. I hate mailto: links, especially if they are a part of the main navigation. I am not always on my computer and I don't always have a mail client at hand (mobile phone). Either own up and just show your email or do a real contact form. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From info at jayonline.co.uk Tue Feb 28 07:49:29 2006 From: info at jayonline.co.uk (KJ Callender) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:49:29 -0000 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4C95@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> Message-ID: <002201c63c6d$ccf2e4d0$0400a8c0@kjc> Hi, You could try having more intuitive main navigation links, by putting title tags in the HTML code. web And your "back to top" links can be linked to the wrapper ID tag, HTH, Kevin (Jim) Callender http://www.jayonline.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rob Smith Sent: 28 February 2006 13:11 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? I'm being picky here and this is something you can do on your spare time, but look at http://www.4thegrapes.com/Graphics.htm once more. There's one tiny problem with the "fixed" graphic. Don't let it "shadow" what you're currently working on. Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/271 - Release Date: 28/02/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/271 - Release Date: 28/02/2006 From codepo8 at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 08:13:40 2006 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:13:40 +0000 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: <002201c63c6d$ccf2e4d0$0400a8c0@kjc> References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4C95@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> <002201c63c6d$ccf2e4d0$0400a8c0@kjc> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0602280613p54e9c27awdac2097519369377@mail.gmail.com> > You could try having more intuitive main navigation links, by putting title > tags in the HTML code. web Attributes, title attributes. The title tag is a different thing and is only once in a document. Title attribute helpfulness is debateable, too. As a visual user I cannot really be bothered for some tooltip to appear and most blind people have title attribute reading turned off because too any people used them for pointless repetition. From rob.smith at lexjet.com Tue Feb 28 08:23:57 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:23:57 -0500 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4D1A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> I'd also be very careful about pricing information. Many a time I had ?200 in my head and got ?1500 after asking the client to come up with an offer. I have to second this. I've learned the hard way not to give out consultant type pricing information. It's fine to give host pricing information just because it's a price war niche. You will lose every time if you give your consultant prices first; let the clients decide. If it's too much, celebrate. If it's too little, then say that that price will cover X number of Y total features "you" wanted. Would you like to roll this project out in phases? You get the idea. Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From psm2713 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 28 08:56:09 2006 From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:56:09 -0700 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> Message-ID: Hi Rachell >I've finally finished the design (thank you guys so much) and have it up at >http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think? Spectacular. A physical address, assuming that it is not a home address, might help. Ken _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From aspnet at thecrookstons.com Tue Feb 28 10:40:30 2006 From: aspnet at thecrookstons.com (Casey) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:40:30 -0600 Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET / VB.NET URL to String Message-ID: <01c001c63c85$b02c2d80$6564a8c0@Papabear> Is it possible to grab the current URL and place it into a string? Casey From peter at easylistbox.com Tue Feb 28 11:05:36 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:36 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET / VB.NET URL to String Message-ID: More or less... You could grab the following: 1) Request.ServerVariables("SERVER_NAME") 2) Request.ServerVariables("PATH_INFO") or Request.ServerVariables("URL") 3) Request.QueryString.ToString() or Request.ServerVariables("QUERY_STRING") Further, you might be able to replace 2 and 3 with Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_X_REWRITE_URL "), but I'm not sure how common that is. One last point: if you're not sure whether the URL is secure or not, check Request.ServerVariables("HTTPS") (value is "on" or "off"). Cheers, Peter From: "Casey" aspnet at thecrookstons.com Is it possible to grab the current URL and place it into a string? Casey From lists at neptunewebworks.com Tue Feb 28 11:47:00 2006 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:47:00 -0800 Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0602280533o27928e1elb49035f58851161d@mail.gmail.com> References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE018E4B46@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> <006e01c63bef$fa07de40$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> <30bd6ffd0602280533o27928e1elb49035f58851161d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44048C94.50904@neptunewebworks.com> Christian Heilmann wrote: >>http://www.4thegrapes.com/index.htm -- what do you think? > I hate mailto: links, especially if they are a part of the main > navigation. I am not always on my computer and I don't always have a > mail client at hand (mobile phone). Either own up and just show your > email or do a real contact form. +1 on this. Even when I am using my regular machine, it's distracting to have a new window open unexpectedly when I click that email link. I've made a habit of making a contact form that includes company telephone and postal info, and a simple form to send a message. The email address is thus not exposed to spambots, and the users have their choice of how to make contact. Some would rather pick up the phone, after all. btw, those labels on the "graphics" page are gorgeous. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From mail at kentrygiel.com Tue Feb 28 12:36:05 2006 From: mail at kentrygiel.com (mail at kentrygiel.com) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:36:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] The Site's up -- What do you think? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39229.66.207.217.226.1141151765.squirrel@mail.wedohosting.com> Hi Rachel, I like the site very much. You did a great job and it has been a pleasure to watch the designs evolve (I'm glad that you got rid of the purple background). Less is more, clean is better, yada yada. Anyways, my two cents this time around is that you might consider moving the "Winery Website Reports" link or at least driving that link to a pop-up window. My eye is drawn to that link first, and when I clicked on it and ended up on a new site, I lost my bearings. I think it must break some sort of usability principles for the primary entery link on a site to drive away from the site. Secondly, I'd love to see you soften the white by replacing it with a warmer off-white so as it enhance the earthy organic theme. But that is me being picky. Lastly, I too was a big fan of the architectural vineyard pic. Nice job, Kent From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Tue Feb 28 13:06:51 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:06:51 -0800 Subject: [thelist] safely deleting MSSQL old backups Message-ID: I'm slightly paranoid since I'm dealing with our most important data here. We've got good SQL backups, off to tape and verified. That system is tight enough that we've set the SQL backup to only retain two days' backups. But there are still almost two months BAK and TRN files. It seemed like when I changed the other maintenance plans the old BAK and TRN files dropped off. Didn't happen with these. I'd regain 50GB of space on a 200GB partition if I nuked the old BAK and TRN files. I just don't wanna do that without a better understanding of possible repercussions. Can I just delete the unneeded files from the Windows directory structure, or is there a better way? joel From michaels at adobe.com Tue Feb 28 18:33:14 2006 From: michaels at adobe.com (Michael Slater) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:33:14 -0800 Subject: [thelist] IE vs. Firefox display difference (follow-up) Message-ID: <006301c63cc7$ba17fad0$9df1070a@sea.adobe.com> Thanks for those who replied to my message of a couple days ago (repeated below) about an IE display bug. There were two solutions offered: absolute positioning the div, and setting overflow:hidden. I didn't want to absolute position it, because that would take it out of the flow and cause other issues. I had already tried adding overflow:hidden to the offending div -- the one that contains a photo that should get truncated as the windows narrows -- and this didn't work. But prompted by the suggestion that the answer should lie there somewhere, I tried wrapping everything in another div and giving that div the overflow:hidden setting, and this has solved this problem. Thanks! I'm still fighting some spacing bugs but at least the bugs are more minor now... If anyone wants to take a look at the end results, the site is www.BoatingSF.com, and and an example of the page with this issue is www.BoatingSF.com/photopage.php?photo=402. Michael ----------------------- Original message: I'm struggling with a display behavior that I'm hoping folks on the list will recognize. Take a look at www.boatingsf.com/test.html. Try it in IE and in Firefox, and try narrowing your window size as you look at it in each. There is a fixed-width div floated to the left, and then a picture in a div that sits next to it. It is a very simple piece of code: IE display bug test

Left Bar

As long as the window is big enough to display the whole picture, Firefox 1.5 and IE 6 both show the same, expected behavior. But if the window is too narrow to display it all, Firefox just truncates the right edge of the picture (which is the behavior I want), whereas IE knocks the start of the image down below the end of the left bar (which is a big problem!). Am I doing something wrong here? Or is there a bug in IE that I need to work around? Thanks, Michael Slater From email at timburgan.com Wed Mar 1 05:11:49 2006 From: email at timburgan.com (Tim Burgan) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:41:49 +1030 Subject: [thelist] IIS help Message-ID: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com> Hello In IIS: 1. How can a make all traffic to example.com redirect to www.example.com? 2. When I visit (note secure server) https://www.example.com my website displays perfectly, via SSL, but if I visit https://example.com (note: no www's), I get an error message saying the secure certificate belongs to a different domain - https://WWW.example.com Is this a problem with something setup in IIS? How can I fix this issue, without redirecting example.com to www.example.com? Thanks for your help Tim From evolt at cubeit.co.uk Wed Mar 1 05:47:41 2006 From: evolt at cubeit.co.uk (Chris Dempsey) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:47:41 -0000 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking for a simple FTP Schedule solution to backup data from live websites. Ideally what I'd like to achieve is: - backup tasks to start at specified time - backup system to create a new folder named with current date - bunch of specified files and folders from different FTP locations to be downloaded into new folder - task ends What would be even better is if the system could create a new folder named with the current date then create folders within this with each domain we backup eg. Create Folder '060301' Create Folder 'domain.com' Download 'database.mdb' Download 'image uploads folder' Create Folder 'domain2.com' Download 'database.mdb' Etc. There are plenty of FTP programs which allow macros/scheduling but I have yet to find a way of dynamically creating the folder with current date to download to. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Chris. From Magnus.Joensson at jensofsweden.com Wed Mar 1 07:30:16 2006 From: Magnus.Joensson at jensofsweden.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Magnus_J=F6nsson?=) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:30:16 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls Message-ID: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com> Hey, Microsoft wants us to tweak our pages, and it's making me nauseous. I read some disturbing news about IE's Active X controls today, due to some legal issues with a patent Microsoft has changed the way of implementing active x controls which no longer allows for automatic start of an Active X control. The user will forced to an extra click for a Flash file to start playing. I'm hoping I have misunderstood this but it doesn't look like it. Sounds like a nightmare to me, apparently the only way to get around it would be to use an external JavaScript which is more or less outrageous to do if you ask me. This update will be available through Microsoft Security patches and they expect the majority to have this update within 6 months. Can somebody please tell me I'm wrong? ;) Here is the news at CNET: http://news.com.com/2100-1032-6044418.html?tag=tb Here is the MSDN article for how to "fix" this with a little JS: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/activating_activex.asp Regards Magnus From fuzzylizard at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 08:22:02 2006 From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:22:02 -0500 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler In-Reply-To: <4405a518.44025d45.0e8a.4203SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <4405a518.44025d45.0e8a.4203SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/1/06, Chris Dempsey wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for a simple FTP Schedule solution to backup data from live > websites. Ideally what I'd like to achieve is: > > - backup tasks to start at specified time > - backup system to create a new folder named with current date > - bunch of specified files and folders from different FTP locations to be > downloaded into new folder > - task ends > > What would be even better is if the system could create a new folder named > with the current date then create folders within this with each domain we > backup eg. > > Create Folder '060301' > Create Folder 'domain.com' > Download 'database.mdb' > Download 'image uploads folder' > Create Folder 'domain2.com' > Download 'database.mdb' > > If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the ability to run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do everything that you mentioned above. Chris -- www.fuzzylizard.com From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 08:54:01 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:54:01 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FE97@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> Hi, Take a sample order (Order, SKU, Warehouse, Location): 1234 ____ ABC ____ A ____ 2 1234 ____ ADE ____ C ____ 40 1235 ____ EEF ____ C ____ 55 1236 ____ EEJ ____ A ____ 1 1236 ____ JJK ____ A ____ 1 How do I narrow this list down to show all orders that had at least one "A" location in it? Thanks, Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Wed Mar 1 09:00:11 2006 From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:00:11 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help Message-ID: What is the schema of the table(s)? If you table looks has columns for Order,SKU,Warehouse,and Location And an example row looks like [1234,ABC,2,A] ['A' being the Location field] And you want to select all rows that have "A" in the location then SELECT DISTINCT Order from table_name where Location='A' Or SELECT Order FROM table_name WHERE location='A' GROUP BY Order James c -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rob Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:54 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help Hi, Take a sample order (Order, SKU, Warehouse, Location): 1234 ____ ABC ____ A ____ 2 1234 ____ ADE ____ C ____ 40 1235 ____ EEF ____ C ____ 55 1236 ____ EEJ ____ A ____ 1 1236 ____ JJK ____ A ____ 1 How do I narrow this list down to show all orders that had at least one "A" location in it? Thanks, Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From bernhardt.7 at osu.edu Wed Mar 1 09:00:45 2006 From: bernhardt.7 at osu.edu (Matthew Bernhardt) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:00:45 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FE97@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FE97@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> Message-ID: SELECT * (or field list) FROM (yourtable) WHERE Warehouse LIKE 'A*' The wildcard you use in your WHERE statement will depend on what db you're using. Access, I think, uses * while MySQL uses %. Check the documentation for your db. Hope this helps, Matt On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:54:01 -0500, Rob Smith wrote: > Hi, > > Take a sample order (Order, SKU, Warehouse, Location): > 1234 ____ ABC ____ A ____ 2 > 1234 ____ ADE ____ C ____ 40 > 1235 ____ EEF ____ C ____ 55 > 1236 ____ EEJ ____ A ____ 1 > 1236 ____ JJK ____ A ____ 1 > > How do I narrow this list down to show all orders that had at least one > "A" location in it? > > Thanks, > > > Rob Smith > LexJet > rob.smith at lexjet.com > http://www.lexjet.com > (800)453-9538 > (941)330-1210 Int'l > (941)330-1220 Fax > 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor > Sarasota, FL 34236 > > Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association > (www.pdia.org) > > -- Matt Bernhardt, bernhardt.7 at osu.edu Webmaster + Fab Lab Coordinator Knowlton School of Architecture The Ohio State University From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Wed Mar 1 09:07:59 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:07:59 -0800 Subject: [thelist] how to direct visitors to separate sites based on booking agent Message-ID: One of my bands is having flyers printed, and wants to give each of their booking agents a personalized version of the site for visitors to go to: if I hand out a flyer/brochure, it should direct them to a site with my photo and logo, my email and phone, etc. For the life of me I can't come up with a simple method to do this that would make sense to the average *extremely* non-technical person. Subdomains? I'm guessing if people saw http://joel.example.com/ they'd either be confused or just remember 'example.com' sending their traffic to the main site instead of the agent's site. Buy new domains for each agent? The client is willing. Redirect based on the query string? I hate publishing a url like "Visit us online at example.com/index.asp?id=32" (side question: would "example.com/id=32" be equivalent?) Ideas? Feel free to think outside the box. This doesn't have to be a web solution; anything to allow each booking agent to more or less keep track of their own prospects. As the band pulls more for each gig, it's becoming a decent bit o' cash per, and we need to keep it straight. thanks spinhead From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 09:08:23 2006 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:08:23 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls In-Reply-To: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com> References: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0603010708u15de7669x9e2646121ff28bb0@mail.gmail.com> > Microsoft wants us to tweak our pages, and it's making me nauseous. > I read some disturbing news about IE's Active X controls today, due to some legal issues with a patent Microsoft has changed the way of implementing active x controls which no longer allows for automatic start of an Active X control. The user will forced to an extra click for a Flash file to start playing. > I'm hoping I have misunderstood this but it doesn't look like it. Sounds like a nightmare to me, apparently the only way to get around it would be to use an external JavaScript which is more or less outrageous to do if you ask me. > This update will be available through Microsoft Security patches and they expect the majority to have this update within 6 months. > Can somebody please tell me I'm wrong? ;) > Here is the news at CNET: > http://news.com.com/2100-1032-6044418.html?tag=tb > Here is the MSDN article for how to "fix" this with a little JS: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/activating_activex.asp Seems genuine enough. God the quality of the fixes is just appalling. Why don't they check what is going on and offer UFO as a solution? http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/ -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 09:18:55 2006 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:18:55 +0000 Subject: [thelist] how to direct visitors to separate sites based on booking agent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0603010718h2d445d93s597901ade6877ec0@mail.gmail.com> Why not mod_rewrite to allow for something like http://www.alistapart.com/articles/succeed http://www.example.com/agent1 http://www.example.com/agentx http://www.example.com/agent4 I'd be careful to change the domain for each branding. After all I presume you want to promote example.com aswell Subdomains seem to get more mainstream by now, we had some clients prefer them. I think it might be google who did it. From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Mar 1 09:28:31 2006 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:28:31 +0200 Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website Message-ID: <4405BD9F.9050704@netvision.net> I am the classic case of the shoeless sandal maker--a web developer with no website. :) After several years, however, I have finally made for myself a site. Could be because I am slightly 'between projects' at present, but that's another story. :) The official version is here: http://web.galleryrobinson.com/ and the alternative design is here: http://galleryrobinson.com/web2/ If I may ask a few questions of my esteemed colleagues: 1 Which design do you like better? 2 Does anyone know how to get rid of the space above the navigation bar in Firefox? In IE6 it doesn't show up. Or maybe you think it looks good like that? :) The CSS is here: http://web.galleryrobinson.com/main.css 3 I checked this in IE6 and FF1.5 on Win2K. If anyone can check on any other browsers I would appreciate that. The content is still minimal and needs to be developed further, but the basic information is anyhow there. Any feedback whatsoever is appreciated. I personally think the graphics are not bad for a programmer-type like myself. Perhaps the green would be better if it were more yellow like the navigation links--color is my weak point. The graphics anyhow are built with POV-Ray. Thank you, Hershel PS: Felix Miata, I am looking into the issues you raised yesterday regarding Verdana. For the time being, it is the font I used however. From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 09:57:42 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:57:42 -0500 Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> I personally like the first one. It's more visually appealing to the eye. POV-Ray can give you much more than a few spheres's which mean...? Sure it looks cool. My advice, and I'll admit that I haven't looked at the css file, is to keep your margin's, padding's to 0px using lists as you are. To get rid of the space in FF, no it doesn't look ok, try and remove the carriage returns in the code. For example:
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    • Odd, but true, Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 10:16:10 2006 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:16:10 -0500 Subject: [thelist] useability books Message-ID: Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone learning useability. From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk Wed Mar 1 10:16:53 2006 From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:16:53 +0000 Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> Message-ID: <4405C8F5.8010002@boldfish.co.uk> Rob Smith wrote: > I personally like the first one. It's more visually appealing to the > eye. POV-Ray can give you much more than a few spheres's which mean...? > Sure it looks cool. > > My advice, and I'll admit that I haven't looked at the css file, is to > keep your margin's, padding's to 0px using lists as you are. > > To get rid of the space in FF, no it doesn't look ok, try and remove the > carriage returns in the code. For example: > >
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      • > > Will look differently in some cases written as: > >
        • > > Odd, but true, might also be a margin-collapse problem. adding padding: 1px 0 0 0 to #navcontainer or border-top: 1px solid #666 cures the gap but exposes the problems with the default margins on the ul#navlist - curable by #navlist{margin: -1px 0 0 0;} ymmv ;o) -- Join me: http://wiki.workalone.co.uk/ Thank me: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/1VK42TQL7VD2F Engage me: http://www.boldfish.co.uk/portfolio/ From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 10:21:24 2006 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:21:24 +0200 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler In-Reply-To: References: <4405a518.44025d45.0e8a.4203SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs: http://www.natso-backup.com/ it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc. it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag. HTH, -- Volkan Ozcelik +>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/ +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/ From evolt at markgroen.com Wed Mar 1 10:21:11 2006 From: evolt at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:21:11 -0800 Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website In-Reply-To: <4405BD9F.9050704@netvision.net> References: <4405BD9F.9050704@netvision.net> Message-ID: <1141230071.2766.9.camel@mark> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:28 +0200, Hershel Robinson wrote: > The official version is here: > http://web.galleryrobinson.com/ > > and the alternative design is here: > http://galleryrobinson.com/web2/ > 1 Which design do you like better? The first one. > 2 Does anyone know how to get rid of the space above the navigation bar > in Firefox? In IE6 it doesn't show up. Or maybe you think it looks good > like that? :) I like the see-through effect. To get rid of the space though...it's caused by default padding values, put this at the top of your style sheets first and those troubles go away: * {margin:0px; padding:0px; } > > 3 I checked this in IE6 and FF1.5 on Win2K. If anyone can check on any > other browsers I would appreciate that. Looks fine on *nix FF, Opera, IE/Wine etc.as long as the default padding/margin is taken out. In Opera, you have an additional gap below the header div otherwise, also in Opera the opacity filter on the h1 doesn't work, not sure what that's about. -- cheers, Mark From morrison.ben at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 10:25:21 2006 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:25:21 +0000 Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website In-Reply-To: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> References: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE0190FF0A@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> Message-ID: <6073aef90603010825g23acc6cr240823a64624a847@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, Rob Smith wrote: > > My advice, and I'll admit that I haven't looked at the css file, is to > keep your margin's, padding's to 0px using lists as you are. Yes, you haven't reset the margin/padding value for your #navlist. ul#navlist { margin:0; padding:0; } Although you zero most of the items at the top of your CSS you miss out UL and LI. Here is the original article that discusses global resets (its good to add some margins/paddings back in), which may be of use to others: http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/19/global-ws-reset/ ben From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Wed Mar 1 10:28:38 2006 From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:28:38 -0500 Subject: [thelist] useability books Message-ID: Generalized software usability or website / web application usability specifically? I think Jakob Nielsen has written a few books http://www.useit.com/jakob/ His site is http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ I don't necessarily agree with everything he says though. I don't like how his website is organized or displayed for example isn't the prime example of usability IMHO. james c. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Dan McCullough Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:16 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] useability books Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone learning useability. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 10:31:29 2006 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:31:29 -0500 Subject: [thelist] useability books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: website useability On 3/1/06, James Conley wrote: > Generalized software usability or website / web application usability > specifically? > > I think Jakob Nielsen has written a few books > http://www.useit.com/jakob/ > His site is http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ > > I don't necessarily agree with everything he says though. I don't like > how his website is organized or displayed for example isn't the prime > example of usability IMHO. > > james c. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Dan McCullough > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:16 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] useability books > > Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone learning > useability. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, > evolt ! > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From RPringle at aurora-il.org Wed Mar 1 10:35:49 2006 From: RPringle at aurora-il.org (Pringle, Ron) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:35:49 -0600 Subject: [thelist] useability books Message-ID: <4A27645B1A4F4D4181909FA5D213FEF4EB5162@coaexb.coa.aurora-il.org> Dan McCullough wrote: > Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone > learning useability. > -- "Defensive Design for the Web: How to Improve Error Messages, Help, Forms, and Other Crisis Points" by 37 Signals, published by New Riders, ISBN 0-7357-1410-X Ron From mrsanders at designshift.com Wed Mar 1 10:37:01 2006 From: mrsanders at designshift.com (Sarah Adams) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:37:01 -0400 Subject: [thelist] useability books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4405CDAD.1010306@designshift.com> >> Anyone know of some books i should suggest for someone learning Don't Make Me Think, by Steve Krug http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321344758/sr=8-1/qid=1141230932/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-0209632-0084059?%5Fencoding=UTF8 Great book - short, sweet, and to the point. -- sarah adams web developer & programmer portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com blog: http://hardedge.ca From michaelpack at wvdhhr.org Wed Mar 1 10:40:26 2006 From: michaelpack at wvdhhr.org (Michael Pack) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:40:26 -0500 Subject: [thelist] SQL Query Help Message-ID: Hi all, I'm stuck a bit and drawing blanks. My query is... SELECT COUNT(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp) AS ComplianceData, dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId, dbo.tbl_facility.txtAgencyName, dbo.tbl_facility.name, dbo.tbl_facility.id FROM dbo.tbl_audit INNER JOIN dbo.tbl_facility ON dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId = dbo.tbl_facility.id WHERE (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp >= '20060201') AND (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp < '20060228') AND (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp - CAST(FLOOR(CAST(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp AS float)) AS datetime) BETWEEN '00:00:00:000' AND '10:00:01:000') GROUP BY dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId, dbo.tbl_facility.txtAgencyName, dbo.tbl_facility.name, dbo.tbl_facility.id This returns the records starting at 1, showing me the "Agencies" that meet the criteria. How would grab and return the records that have a 0 COUNT within the same query? I need to show the "Agencies" that have not met the criteria as well. TIA From pchen at jiethics.org Wed Mar 1 10:47:35 2006 From: pchen at jiethics.org (Peter Chen) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:47:35 -0800 Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4? Message-ID: In deciding to take the PHP plunge, I'm curious, do most developers out there still use v4 or v5? And is v5 backwards compatible w/ v4? Thanks in advance for any feedback out there. -Peter From akamm at demicooper.com Wed Mar 1 10:52:29 2006 From: akamm at demicooper.com (Andrew Kamm) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:52:29 -0600 Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > In deciding to take the PHP plunge, I'm curious, do most developers out > there still use v4 or v5? And is v5 backwards compatible w/ v4? Thanks > in advance for any feedback out there. If you're doing very simple things like contact forms, PHP4 is sufficient. If you really want to get into PHP and have some better functions to work with, PHP5 is the way to go. PHP5 is also much better for larger application development (much better OOP support). You might have a harder time finding a host with PHP5 if you're using shared hosting though. -- Andrew Kamm From Anthony at Baratta.com Wed Mar 1 11:18:26 2006 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:18:26 -0800 Subject: [thelist] IIS help In-Reply-To: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com> References: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <4405D762.9070705@Baratta.com> Tim Burgan wrote: > > 1. How can a make all traffic to > example.com redirect to www.example.com? > > 2. When I visit (note secure server) https://www.example.com my website > displays perfectly, via SSL, but if I visit https://example.com (note: > no www's), I get an error message saying the secure certificate belongs > to a different domain - https://WWW.example.com There are two ways off the top of my head: One: setup a virtual web service with the host header of example.com. In the IIS properties for that site, setup a permanent redirect to the www.example.com site. You can setup the redirect so that it retains the full URL and querystring. Two: with-in your code (and just for the SSL enable pages) look for the HTTP Environment Variable "HTTPS" the values are on / off. If off, redirect to the https URL. -- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative." From evolt at cubeit.co.uk Wed Mar 1 11:37:43 2006 From: evolt at cubeit.co.uk (Chris Dempsey) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:37:43 -0000 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > http://www.natso-backup.com/ I'll check this out. > If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the ability to > run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do > everything that you mentioned above. It?s Windows boxes we host on. Thanks guys. > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK > Sent: 01 March 2006 16:21 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler > > I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs: > > http://www.natso-backup.com/ > > it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc. > > it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag. > > HTH, > -- > Volkan Ozcelik > +>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/ > +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From evolt at brasscannon.net Wed Mar 1 11:42:00 2006 From: evolt at brasscannon.net (Kevin Martin) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:42:00 -0800 Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website Message-ID: <20060301174200.GA21633@brasscannon.net> Quoth Hershel Robinson > [...] The official version is here: > http://web.galleryrobinson.com/ > > and the alternative design is here: > http://galleryrobinson.com/web2/ > > I checked this in IE6 and FF1.5 on Win2K. If anyone can check on any > other browsers I would appreciate that. Works in Konqueror on Linux; the layout is about the way you see it in Firefox. Nice liquidity when shrinking the window width. No alpha channel/transparency on the banner, though, which Firefox 1.5 has. The attempt at a drop-shadow effect on "Web Services" in the second design fails miserably in both my browsers... sorry. The first example is much better IMO. I agree with a prior note, that the break between the banner and navbar is a "happy accident" that emphasizes the see-through effect. Now that you know what caused it, I'd be tempted to keep it! Good variety of designs in the portfolio, too. From steven.pierce at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 12:38:24 2006 From: steven.pierce at gmail.com (Steven Pierce) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:38:24 -0800 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler In-Reply-To: <4405dc18.355ce5e5.4996.2da8SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <4405dc18.355ce5e5.4996.2da8SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e0cf1cc0603011038te9354c6xf5c0e60ae2f6d6af@mail.gmail.com> Task scheduler can really powerful. I work for a small windows consulting shop, and we use task scheduler to do some of the back up's. It is then moved to a second drive (USB External). It then sends a report to our server so that we can view it to make sure it ran. It will give you date and time, or just day of the week. We currently have it run on Monday evening about 2 am. HTH... On 3/1/06, Chris Dempsey wrote: > > > http://www.natso-backup.com/ > I'll check this out. > > > If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the ability > to > > run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do > > everything that you mentioned above. > It's Windows boxes we host on. > > Thanks guys. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK > > Sent: 01 March 2006 16:21 > > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler > > > > I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs: > > > > http://www.natso-backup.com/ > > > > it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc. > > > > it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag. > > > > HTH, > > -- > > Volkan Ozcelik > > +>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/ > > +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/ > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jdowdell at adobe.com Wed Mar 1 13:15:14 2006 From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:15:14 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls In-Reply-To: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com> References: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com> Message-ID: <4405F2C2.9040109@adobe.com> Magnus J?nsson wrote: > Microsoft wants us to tweak our pages, and it's making me nauseous. > I read some disturbing news about IE's Active X controls today, due to some legal issues with a patent Microsoft has changed the way of implementing active x controls which no longer allows for automatic start of an Active X control. The user will forced to an extra click for a Flash file to start playing. > I'm hoping I have misunderstood this but it doesn't look like it. Sounds like a nightmare to me, apparently the only way to get around it would be to use an external JavaScript which is more or less outrageous to do if you ask me. > This update will be available through Microsoft Security patches and they expect the majority to have this update within 6 months. True. I didn't know they'd be shipping this morning, as an option on Windows Update, but the build has been on MSDN for awhile. What changes? Controls will display as before, but will need to be clicked on before interactivity takes place. I haven't installed that version of Internet Explorer yet, but it sounds similar to what you'd do for keyboard focus within the browser. (Many people already use external JavaScript to write OBJECT/EMBED tags, to make documents which pass the W3C validators, and in most such cases the browser change will have no effect on their existing sites.) For more info, with specifics on Adobe-related browser extensions, see the FAQ in the Adobe Active Content Developer Center: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/faq.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/ jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 13:37:47 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:37:47 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE01910065@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> Hi, Is there something you can use in the like clause that will match 5 numerical digits. The closest thing I've come up with so far is where field like '_____'. Bottom line, I'm trying to cross the customer's zip code to our preferred warehouse locations. We have the entire table of zip code ranges linked to ware house locations. There's no "ID" to link the two tables together, so I'm linking a range of values together. Gracias, Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Mar 1 14:02:50 2006 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:02:50 +0200 Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website In-Reply-To: <20060301174200.GA21633@brasscannon.net> References: <20060301174200.GA21633@brasscannon.net> Message-ID: <4405FDEA.7090500@netvision.net> Thank you to everyone who replied. ben morrison wrote: > Yes, you haven't reset the margin/padding value for your #navlist. > > ul#navlist { > margin:0; > padding:0; > } Ah, quite right. That was it. I removed the ul from the global reset at the top for another project and forgot to put it back in. Now it's back and looks better. > Here is the original article that discusses global resets (its good to > add some margins/paddings back in), which may be of use to others: > > http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/19/global-ws-reset/ Very nice article. Thank you. Kevin Martin wrote: > Good variety of designs in the portfolio, too. Thank you. Rob Smith wrote: > I personally like the first one. It's more visually appealing to the > eye. POV-Ray can give you much more than a few spheres's which mean...? > Sure it looks cool. Yes, POV-Ray is a very complete system, capable of photo-realistic imaging. I am not, however, a master of it. I wanted an image that looks, as you put it, "cool." :) Hershel From talleman at Lumpsum.com Wed Mar 1 13:56:53 2006 From: talleman at Lumpsum.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:56:53 -0500 Subject: [thelist] SQL Query Help Message-ID: <6FFC130317FA8E40ADCB5B2BB8748B56025A2EE4@moose.settlementfunding.local> UNION with a query that returns "Agencies" that do not meet the criteria? > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Pack > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:40 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] SQL Query Help > > > Hi all, I'm stuck a bit and drawing blanks. > > My query is... > > SELECT COUNT(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp) AS ComplianceData, > dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId, dbo.tbl_facility.txtAgencyName, > dbo.tbl_facility.name, > dbo.tbl_facility.id > FROM dbo.tbl_audit INNER JOIN > dbo.tbl_facility ON dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId = > dbo.tbl_facility.id > WHERE (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp >= '20060201') AND > (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp < '20060228') AND > (dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp - > CAST(FLOOR(CAST(dbo.tbl_audit.update_stamp AS float)) AS datetime) > BETWEEN '00:00:00:000' AND '10:00:01:000') > GROUP BY dbo.tbl_audit.fkFacilityId, dbo.tbl_facility.txtAgencyName, > dbo.tbl_facility.name, dbo.tbl_facility.id > > This returns the records starting at 1, showing me the "Agencies" that > meet the criteria. How would grab and return the records that have a 0 > COUNT within the same query? I need to show the "Agencies" > that have not > met the criteria as well. > > TIA > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From talleman at Lumpsum.com Wed Mar 1 14:04:23 2006 From: talleman at Lumpsum.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:04:23 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL Message-ID: <6FFC130317FA8E40ADCB5B2BB8748B56025A2EE5@moose.settlementfunding.local> I didn't understand your bottom line description of the problem, but you can use SUBSTRING to get each individual character in a varchar field, and use BETWEEN to test whether it's 0-9. At least that's what I think you're asking in the first sentence... > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Rob Smith > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:38 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL > > > Hi, > > Is there something you can use in the like clause that will match 5 > numerical digits. The closest thing I've come up with so far is where > field like '_____'. Bottom line, I'm trying to cross the > customer's zip > code to our preferred warehouse locations. We have the entire table of > zip code ranges linked to ware house locations. There's no > "ID" to link > the two tables together, so I'm linking a range of values together. > > Gracias, > > > Rob Smith > LexJet > rob.smith at lexjet.com > http://www.lexjet.com > (800)453-9538 > (941)330-1210 Int'l > (941)330-1220 Fax > 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor > Sarasota, FL 34236 > > Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging > Association (www.pdia.org) > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 14:12:11 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:12:11 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE01910096@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> Here's what I'm trying to get working: SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT shopper.shopper_id, shopper.Company, locations_shipping_zips.zip_prefix_start, locations_shipping_zips.zip_prefix_end, locations_shipping_zips.listing_rank, shopper.Zip FROM dbo.lexjet_shopper CROSS JOIN dbo.lexjet_locations_shipping_zips WHERE (shopper.Zip BETWEEN locations_shipping_zips.zip_prefix_start AND locations_shipping_zips.zip_prefix_end) AND (shopper.Zip BETWEEN 0 AND 100000) AND (shopper.Zip LIKE '[#####]') ORDER BY locations_shipping_zips.listing_rank But it's also trying to match up a zip code like 91315-3111, which is breaking the query I hope this clears up my question, Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From rob.smith at lexjet.com Wed Mar 1 14:32:14 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:32:14 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Numerical Wildcard in SQL SOLVED...sort of Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE019100BD@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> The correct 5-digit numerical wildcard match should have been: shopper.Zip LIKE '[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]' Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From pixelmech at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 14:33:59 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:33:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] [JavaScript] Advanced JS - go OO on this or not? Hit the wall... Message-ID: <20060301203359.31095.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, I have this calendar script for a kiosk app we have. The first version was whipped together as fast as I could build it to work. I'm now going back and optimizing and trying to make it better, and I thought I might make it an object. I've worked on it most of the day and I've made some progress, but I've really hit the wall on whether it's worth making an object or not, seeing as how it works how it is now, and I don't know what I'll gain. Plus, I'm not sure how to proceed. A quick shot of the page where the calendar is here: http://pixelmech.com/rev/calshot.gif (can't post a link, it's kiosk) The thing works by grabbing some dates off an array written to the page by the server (scheduleArray[]) and then proceeds to write out the calendar cell by cell. Only weekdays are selectable that are not holidays, basically. You can see my code here: http://pixelmech.com/rev/foo.txt At the bottom is my beginning of the OO experiment. I guess I am open to any suggestions to improve this - or stop and leave it or whatever. I've been looking at this so long, I'm not sure what to do next! Aaaugh! One thing that concerns me is my nested function (the getCellType() function) and how that would be implemented in an object. It seems to me I may be using too many private/local vars when most of the stuff might be able to be properties of the object. Note that the calendar gets rewritten completely when you select another month or reload the page. Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 14:59:12 2006 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:59:12 +0000 Subject: [thelist] [JavaScript] Advanced JS - go OO on this or not? Hit the wall... In-Reply-To: <20060301203359.31095.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060301203359.31095.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0603011259yd9c522asffcc736aae0354b2@mail.gmail.com> Calendars are the one thing that repeatedly make developer go bonkers. Save yourself a headache and style a good one that has already gone through a lot of testing: http://developer.yahoo.net/yui/calendar/index.html From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 15:55:16 2006 From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:55:16 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls In-Reply-To: <4405F2C2.9040109@adobe.com> References: <38DC03C87D55464DA869D354EEE6155930B303@srv03.ad.jensofsweden.com> <4405F2C2.9040109@adobe.com> Message-ID: <4eedb92a0603011355o7dcd71evf611a7875bfe60cb@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, John Dowdell wrote: > True. I didn't know they'd be shipping this morning, as an option on > Windows Update, but the build has been on MSDN for awhile. ! Is this bundled into a "security update"? I'm not seeing anything that looks like that, and I'd like to get it onto a test machine ASAP. Or if you've a URL to the MSDN location, that'd also be good, since I can *never* find anything there... :-) TIA, -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com blog: webtuitive.blogspot.com :: dream. code. From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 16:13:48 2006 From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:13:48 -0800 Subject: [thelist] IIS help In-Reply-To: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com> References: <44058175.6080707@timburgan.com> Message-ID: <4eedb92a0603011413q2e513087o1bee43da65155de@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, Tim Burgan wrote: > In IIS: immaterial :-) > 2. When I visit (note secure server) https://www.example.com my website > displays perfectly, via SSL, but if I visit https://example.com (note: > no www's), I get an error message saying the secure certificate belongs > to a different domain - https://WWW.example.com Which it does; certs are typically issued for *hosts*; example.com and www.example.com are not the same. You can buy (more expensive) wild-card certs that'll cover all of *.example.com. Otherwise the "fix" will involve redirection -- and it'll have to take place in http, *not* https mode... FWIW! -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com blog: webtuitive.blogspot.com :: dream. code. From mwarden at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 16:51:42 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:51:42 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Quick SQL help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4406257E.6070502@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James Conley wrote: > What is the schema of the table(s)? > If you table looks has columns for Order,SKU,Warehouse,and Location > And an example row looks like [1234,ABC,2,A] ['A' being the Location > field] > And you want to select all rows that have "A" in the location then > SELECT DISTINCT Order from table_name where Location='A' > > Or > > SELECT Order FROM table_name WHERE location='A' GROUP BY Order I interpreted the problem as wanting all records related to an order where at least one of the records in that order is in location A. So, if order #1234 has 3 records, only 1 of which is from location A, he wants all 3 of those records. But if order #1235 has 3 records, none of which is from location A, then he wants 0 of those records. Rob, can you confirm? - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEBiV+rI3LObhzHRMRAmzQAKClQ1T4kdVgXWwQNC8TJVlXT8rSYQCfQ6kI wfBBcKA6c4nKpIcrGSI/rpg= =+ecc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarden at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 16:56:41 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:56:41 -0500 Subject: [thelist] [JavaScript] Advanced JS - go OO on this or not? Hit the wall... In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0603011259yd9c522asffcc736aae0354b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060301203359.31095.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com> <30bd6ffd0603011259yd9c522asffcc736aae0354b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440626A9.3020002@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christian Heilmann wrote: > Calendars are the one thing that repeatedly make developer go bonkers. > Save yourself a headache and style a good one that has already gone > through a lot of testing: > > http://developer.yahoo.net/yui/calendar/index.html I'll second this. I was 80% done with my calendar when they released YUI, and I switched. You can't be afraid to scrap what you've done. - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEBiaorI3LObhzHRMRAijyAKCtm9Ioj8BiG5ofBbmZBBqfIbwdVQCdHTJB wEyXybs7h0nNoT//lPrZKcM= =y10n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robagar at westnet.com.au Wed Mar 1 18:44:29 2006 From: robagar at westnet.com.au (Rob Agar) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:44:29 +1000 Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44063FED.6040704@westnet.com.au> Andrew Kamm wrote: > You might have a harder time finding a host with PHP5 if you're using shared > hosting though. true, but it's always worth asking. The host I use (quadra) supplies php4 as standard, but are happy to switch you over to 5 if you want. Rob From sbeam at onsetcorps.net Wed Mar 1 19:11:40 2006 From: sbeam at onsetcorps.net (sbeam) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:11:40 -0500 Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603012011.40793.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> On Wednesday 01 March 2006 11:47 am, Peter Chen wrote: > And is v5 backwards compatible w/ v4? the only major area of incompatibility I've found is in XML/DOM handling. PHP5 does a much much better job of this, with a standard built-in DOM object as well as the convenient SimpleXML API. But it doesn't do PHP4's dom_xml, which has been retired (there is an extension that will do dom_xml in PHP5, but its not recommended) But if your existing PHP4 code is not doing anything with dom_xml then it should run just fine under PHP5. There is however a (fairly short) list of known incompatibles but nothing that should require a lot of rewriting. -- # S Beam - Web App Dev Servs # http://www.onsetcorps.net/ From psm2713 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 1 20:47:18 2006 From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:47:18 -0700 Subject: [thelist] useability books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, James Conley wrote: >I think Jakob Nielsen has written a few books >http://www.useit.com/jakob/ >His site is http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ > >I don't necessarily agree with everything he says though. I don't like >how his website is organized or displayed for example isn't the prime >example of usability IMHO. Agreed. Ugly, boring sites. The best book, IMHO, has already been mentioned, "Don't Make Me Think." Also, The Unusally Useful Web Book." Ken _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From robagar at westnet.com.au Wed Mar 1 21:01:13 2006 From: robagar at westnet.com.au (Rob Agar) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:01:13 +1000 Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44065FF9.5050903@westnet.com.au> Peter Chen wrote: > In deciding to take the PHP plunge, I'm curious, do most developers out > there still use v4 or v5? And is v5 backwards compatible w/ v4? Thanks > in advance for any feedback out there. I greatly prefer v5, for the OO support others have mentioned. The only backwards compatibility thing that's bitten me is this: class A { ... } a = new A(); b = a; in php 5 a and b point to the same object, as in java and c#, but in php4 b is a *copy* of a. Rob From robin.hastings at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 22:34:37 2006 From: robin.hastings at gmail.com (Robin Hastings) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:34:37 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Rental Availability Calendar Message-ID: I have been trolling through hotscripts.com and google all night and have tried out a couple of promising-looking PHP-based calendar scripts with no luck, so I'm turning to the collective wisdom of the list to help me out. I'm looking for a calendar script that I can plug into a web site that can support color-coded categories and multiple calendars per installation. Single user is fine, I just need something that a web novice can use to enter in dates that properties are either available or not available with color codes indicating tentative reservations and confirmed reservations. I'm about ready to start rolling my own, but before I do that, I'm hoping that one of you knows of a script that is out there (preferably for free, but at least less than $50) that I could use. Thanks, in advance, for your help!! -- Robin Hastings robin.hastings at gmail.com http://www.rhastings.net From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 01:31:18 2006 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (Jono) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 02:31:18 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Rental Availability Calendar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was looking for the same thing a while back, and settled on this, before ditching the idea all together: http://keithdevens.com/software/php_calendar Might do the trick for you? I am new to PHP, and mostly only use it for basic includes. This is over my head, but it sounded useful. -- Jono Young Designer | Developer | Illustrator Charleston Web Solutions "Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry" http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com/ From andrew at milords.com Thu Mar 2 03:14:28 2006 From: andrew at milords.com (A Maynes) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:14:28 -0000 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler In-Reply-To: <6e0cf1cc0603011038te9354c6xf5c0e60ae2f6d6af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801c63dd9$b5a62540$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER> Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am currently looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file somewhere locally and then running an upload task (all of this needs to be automated) so any help/info would be a great help. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Steven Pierce [mailto:steven.pierce at gmail.com] Sent: 01 March 2006 18:38 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler Task scheduler can really powerful. I work for a small windows consulting shop, and we use task scheduler to do some of the back up's. It is then moved to a second drive (USB External). It then sends a report to our server so that we can view it to make sure it ran. It will give you date and time, or just day of the week. We currently have it run on Monday evening about 2 am. HTH... On 3/1/06, Chris Dempsey wrote: > > > http://www.natso-backup.com/ > I'll check this out. > > > If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the > > ability > to > > run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do > > everything that you mentioned above. > It's Windows boxes we host on. > > Thanks guys. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK > > Sent: 01 March 2006 16:21 > > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler > > > > I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs: > > > > http://www.natso-backup.com/ > > > > it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc. > > > > it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag. > > > > HTH, > > -- > > Volkan Ozcelik > > +>Yep! I'm blogging! : > > +>http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/ > > +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/ > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and > > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the > > Web, evolt ! > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, > evolt ! > -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From bernhardt.7 at osu.edu Thu Mar 2 06:57:23 2006 From: bernhardt.7 at osu.edu (Matthew Bernhardt) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 07:57:23 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP Message-ID: Hello everyone, I was wondering if there was any conventional wisdom in to structure an ASP page that has to make several connections to different databases on the same server? Some of the pages I'm working on right now make connections to 4-5 different databases to grab the data that they need. Right now, they define different connection objects for each database, defining them just before they're used in the page. I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more efficient to define one connection object at the top of the page, and then structure the SQL statements to specify 'database.tablename' each time the page needs to get data. Is there a performance hit to opening a connection and leaving it open for an entire page, or is it better to open and then close several different connection objects? Thanks for any advice - I've lurked here for about a month, and I'm impressed so far with the level (and range) of discussion. Matt -- Matt Bernhardt, bernhardt.7 at osu.edu Webmaster + Fab Lab Coordinator Knowlton School of Architecture The Ohio State University From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 07:37:02 2006 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:37:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes Message-ID: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> I am trying to find an efficient way to randomly insert the following snippet of html into a page's sidebar: I have about 6 different sidebar boxes I would like to randomly insert in my pages. Ideally, I would only like to have two or three sidebar boxes in each page's sidebar. I am very new to PHP and includes, but I think that an include can do the trick as follows: 1. Save each snippet of html for the 6 boxes in a directory called sb-boxes 2. Name each snippet sb-box1.inc, sb-box2.inc, sb-box3.inc, and so on 3. In my page(s) add something like the following: I know that the include code above will not do any randomizing, that is just as an example of how I think it might possible work. How do I go about inserting the snippets randomly using this, or a similar approach? MSN, Google, and Yahoo turned up a ton of results, but I am not proficient enough with PHP to weed out the good from the bad. IS this as easy as and light weight it seesm it should be? -- Jono Young Designer | Developer | Illustrator Charleston Web Solutions Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com From nancychristine49 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 07:47:34 2006 From: nancychristine49 at yahoo.com (Nancy Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:47:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] Learning PHP Message-ID: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am a designer who has worked up to now in an only in Microsoft environment. I know how to do a contact form in .asp and set up a simple database using .asp and SQL server or MS Access. I feel the need to learn php and be able to set up a contact form and simple database maybe using MYSQL? What would be a good way to get started? Thanks Nancy Johnson --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From psm2713 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 2 07:52:31 2006 From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:52:31 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Gigs on the web Message-ID: Hi, all I have a client who wants to move a system to the internet. They want their clients to be able to access 3D imaging from the web site. Each client will have about 1/2 gig of information and they will have several tousand clients. They do not have the expertise to manage a web server. The problems are obvious: Storage space, transfer rate, monthly transfer. I had considered keeping the images locally and only sending them when called for, but speed and transfer costs still might make that impossible. First, are there any companies with the space and pricing to make this an option? Second, given todays technology, what would be the cost estimate to setup servers and train staff to be their own hosting? TIA, Ken _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 07:54:04 2006 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:54:04 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Is there a performance hit to opening a connection and leaving it open >for an entire page, or is it better to open and then close several >different connection objects? That depends on the database. Access performs better when you open connection use it and then close it asap. That's because Access is not as multi-thread / multi-user friendly as other databases around. Actually, it is arguable whether you can call Access a database or not :) However SQLServer, DB2, MySQL etc will not feel a performance hit. Actually for those more-database-like databases, opening and closing the connection several times brings up a performance hit since creating a Connection object is a costy operation. Here is what I use 99% of the time: _beginnin of page DBInit DBConnect ... do stuff ... DBDisconnect DBRelease _end of page I have used this structure in dozens of high-load commercial portals and did not observe any performance hit (using SQL Server most of the time) HTH, -- Volkan Ozcelik +>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/ +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/ From bernhardt.7 at osu.edu Thu Mar 2 08:07:58 2006 From: bernhardt.7 at osu.edu (Matthew Bernhardt) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:07:58 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello again, On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:54:04 -0500, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote: >> Is there a performance hit to opening a connection and leaving it open >> for an entire page, or is it better to open and then close several >> different connection objects? > > However SQLServer, DB2, MySQL etc will not feel a performance hit. > Actually for those more-database-like databases, opening and closing > the connection several times brings up a performance hit since > creating a Connection object is a costy operation. Good point - I should have clarified this. The ASP pages are connecting to a MySQL database server running 4.0.x (not sure of the version beyond that). Is there a way I can quantify how "costly" it is to create/open a Connection object? I can't sit down in front of either the webserver or the database server in this case, so I can't check things like running processes, memory load, etc. > Here is what I use 99% of the time: > > _beginnin of page > DBInit > DBConnect > > ... do stuff ... > > DBDisconnect > DBRelease > _end of page This is my usual structure as well - but after seeing this page code (which I'm inheriting from a previous developer), it occurred to me that I couldn't be -sure- what the best way of handling things was. I've been told ColdFusion does things this way by default, but didn't want to extrapolate across vendors. Thanks for the input, Matt -- Matt Bernhardt, bernhardt.7 at osu.edu Webmaster + Fab Lab Coordinator Knowlton School of Architecture The Ohio State University From drew.trusz at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 08:10:37 2006 From: drew.trusz at gmail.com (Drew Trusz) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:10:37 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Learning PHP In-Reply-To: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16e49aa10603020610x5e8d82c9h5d9b2b4b5ee86a43@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, Nancy Johnson wrote: > I am a designer who has worked up to now in an only in Microsoft environment. I know how to do a contact form in .asp and set up a simple database using .asp and SQL server or MS Access. > > I feel the need to learn php and be able to set up a contact form and simple database maybe using MYSQL? > > What would be a good way to get started? > Several quick ways to start: Peachpit offers a Visual Quick Start by Larry Ullman (that's an impressive name) "PHP for the World Wide Web". It's very basic. Or his "Php and MySQL", also from Peachpit. Another basic approach would be the Eclectic Academy which runs a multi-week course on php which includes a form-to-mail exercise. The instructor reviews your work with you and is very good. Its $20. More comprehensive would be things like "Beginning PHP5, Apache, MySQL: Web Development" , Elizabeth Naramore etal from Wrox. Or "PHP and MySQL Web Development (3rd Edition) (Developer's Library) " , Luke Welling and Laura Thomson. And there are also the resources of php.net, including the Manual. Just depends on where you are comfortable starting. drew From akamm at demicooper.com Thu Mar 2 08:14:44 2006 From: akamm at demicooper.com (Andrew Kamm) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:14:44 -0600 Subject: [thelist] usability books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Agreed. Ugly, boring sites. Indeed, Nielsen's writing is a nice way to keep perspective on things and may be a good place to start learning web usability concepts, but people are very visual (clients and consumers alike) so you need to take his advice with a grain of salt. It's great knowledge to know for reference, but not necessarily to work/live by. This is a more general recommendation (it's not web-specific), but still a good read for anyone creating things that people use: "The Design of Everyday Things" by Donald Norman. -- Andrew Kamm From akamm at demicooper.com Thu Mar 2 08:17:45 2006 From: akamm at demicooper.com (Andrew Kamm) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:17:45 -0600 Subject: [thelist] PHP5 or PHP4? In-Reply-To: <200603012011.40793.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> Message-ID: > But if your existing PHP4 code is not doing anything with dom_xml then > it should run just fine under PHP5. There is however a (fairly short) I'm guessing you'd also run into significant problems with PHP5 OOP code in a PHP4 environment. There are also miscellaneous functions (like file_put_contents) that are only available in PHP5. -- Andrew Kamm From Chris at globet.com Thu Mar 2 08:28:47 2006 From: Chris at globet.com (Chris at globet.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:28:47 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP Message-ID: Matt [..] > Good point - I should have clarified this. The ASP pages are > connecting to a MySQL database server running 4.0.x (not sure > of the version beyond that). > > Is there a way I can quantify how "costly" it is to > create/open a Connection object? I can't sit down in front of My understanding is that you are not necessarily opening a connection to the database when you use a connection object within an ASP page through ADO. A request is made for an open connection from the connection pool (assuming that connection pooling is enabled for IIS, which I believe it is by default); so as long as a connection is available, no new connection will be opened. If a connection is not available, a new connection will be opened and made available from the connection pool. This behaviour is in place to avoid the cost of opening and closing database connections. [..] HTH Chris Marsh Web Developer http://www.globet.com/ Tel: +44 20 8246 4804 Ext 828 Fax: +44 20 8246 4808 Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the Company. This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete it from your system. From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 08:39:22 2006 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:39:22 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Question about DB connections in ASP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > (assuming that connection pooling is enabled for IIS, which I believe it > is by default); so as long as a connection is available, no new > connection will be opened. If a connection is not available, a new > connection will be opened and made available from the connection pool. > This behaviour is in place to avoid the cost of opening and closing > database connections. Correct, opening an ADODB connection does not necessarily mean opening a real physical connection. Once upon a time, for a big site I developed, I sniffed the tcp port of the server to get an idea. 8-10 actual pysical connections were enough to handle 2-3 thousand online users. For determining the cost there are benchmark tools that generate load ramps. Or real-time monitoring tools that you can see what is happening graphically. For instance IBM's tivoli performance viewer is a good tool to detect leaks in connection pool: You plot number of created connections and number of connections that are returned to the pool on the same graph. If the two lines cross each other (i.e. they are not parallel) then it is a indicator of a connection leak. I have not used any specific benchmark / monitoring tool for M$ stuff. What I do to load test was generally creating a simple frame-based setup that refreshed itsef with meta refresh, loading tens of this framed pages on a pc, and using this to all of the 10-15 pc's on the network. Then I monitored CPU utilization, Ram usage. sniffed tcp connections to the database sitting in front of the server machine. HTH -- Volkan Ozcelik +>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/ +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/ From smokenjoe2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 08:49:50 2006 From: smokenjoe2 at gmail.com (Joe S) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:49:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] db2 query question Message-ID: I have a query where I am trying to get the count of items in a certain area. So I have a table that contains the items id, the time/date, the area number. Now the table is setup so that each area is marked with a time/date on when it entered and left, so you will have multiple entries for one item. 655391 0 2005-12-22 15:59:00 32 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 655391 1 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 655391 2 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 2006-01-31 15:45:00 72 0 29.00 C 1940-01-01 655391 3 2006-02-02 13:32:00 101 2006-02-03 11:44:00 32 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 655391 4 2006-02-03 15:28:00 25 2006-02-03 20:56:00 26 0 0 C 1940-01-01 655391 5 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 655391 6 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 655391 7 2006-02-09 07:08:00 5 2006-02-14 13:51:00 5 0 4.00 C 1940-01-01 655391 8 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 Now here is a little bit of a tricky part, I dont need counts for 0,1,2 I just need to find how many items are in 3 that left 2 on x date and so on and so forth until your past 8. I do not need to know where the items have been I need to know where there are now. From hassan at webtuitive.com Thu Mar 2 09:01:51 2006 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 07:01:51 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Gigs on the web In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440708DF.7050801@webtuitive.com> Ken Moore wrote: > I have a client who wants to move a system to the internet. They want their > clients to be able to access 3D imaging from the web site. Each client will > have about 1/2 gig of information and they will have several tousand > clients. > > They do not have the expertise to manage a web server. How are they "managing" the current system? > The problems are obvious: Storage space, transfer rate, monthly transfer. What "problems"? You buy as much as you need for your application. > First, are there any companies with the space and pricing to make this an > option? Of course -- unless your client has an unrealistically low idea of what this should cost. > Second, given todays technology, what would be the cost estimate to setup > servers and train staff to be their own hosting? You haven't even begun to address performance requirements, uptime requirements, security, user interface -- no sane person can quote a "project" like this... -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com dream. code. From stevec at topdogstrategy.com Thu Mar 2 09:27:13 2006 From: stevec at topdogstrategy.com (Steve Clason) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:27:13 -0700 Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes In-Reply-To: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> Message-ID: <44070ED1.9050501@topdogstrategy.com> jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com wrote: > I have about 6 different sidebar boxes I would like to randomly insert in > my pages. Ideally, I would only like to have two or three sidebar boxes > in each page's sidebar. > > I am very new to PHP and includes, but I think that an include can do the > trick as follows: > > > 1. Save each snippet of html for the 6 boxes in a directory called sb-boxes > > 2. Name each snippet sb-box1.inc, sb-box2.inc, sb-box3.inc, and so on > > 3. In my page(s) add something like the following: > > > I know that the include code above will not do any randomizing, that is > just as an example of how I think it might possible work. How do I go > about inserting the snippets randomly using this, or a similar approach? Your approach is OK. Below is a function I wrote for randomly selecting and displaying a number of image files from a directory. I think you could modify it pretty easily to randomly select a number of html files from a directory and include them in the way you described. It might get you started anyway. -- Steve Clason Web Design & Development Boulder, Colorado, USA www.topdogstrategy.com (303)818-8590 = $num) { //make sure enough images in folder $i = 0; $imgs = array(); while ($i<$num) { $imageNumber = randomNumber($imgCount); $imgPath = $imgList[$imageNumber]; //make sure it's not in the array before including if (in_array($imgPath, $imgs)){ //do nothing }else{ $imgs[$i] = $imgPath; $i++; } } }else{ //create an blank image if not enough in the folder $im = 'No images are 
available'; $result = $im; } //prepare the output $count = count($imgs); for ($j=0; $j<$count; $j++){ //format the result for html display @$result .= ""; } return $result; } ?> From stevec at topdogstrategy.com Thu Mar 2 09:31:08 2006 From: stevec at topdogstrategy.com (Steve Clason) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:31:08 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Learning PHP In-Reply-To: <16e49aa10603020610x5e8d82c9h5d9b2b4b5ee86a43@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16e49aa10603020610x5e8d82c9h5d9b2b4b5ee86a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44070FBC.70207@topdogstrategy.com> Drew Trusz wrote: > On 3/2/06, Nancy Johnson wrote: >> I am a designer who has worked up to now in an only in Microsoft environment. I know how to do a contact form in .asp and set up a simple database using .asp and SQL server or MS Access. >> >> I feel the need to learn php and be able to set up a contact form and simple database maybe using MYSQL? >> >> What would be a good way to get started? > Or "PHP and MySQL Web Development (3rd Edition) (Developer's Library) > " , Luke Welling and Laura Thomson. Good suggestions, and +1 for the Welling and Thompson book as a first step. -- Steve Clason Web Design & Development Boulder, Colorado, USA www.topdogstrategy.com (303)818-8590 From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 09:33:56 2006 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:33:56 -0500 Subject: [thelist] db2 query question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try this, no guarantees SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 3 AND B.ITEM = A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= A.DATE AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY B.AREA On 3/2/06, Joe S wrote: > I have a query where I am trying to get the count of items in a certain > area. So I have a table that contains the items id, the time/date, the area > number. Now the table is setup so that each area is marked with a time/date > on when it entered and left, so you will have multiple entries for one item. > > 655391 0 2005-12-22 15:59:00 32 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 > 655391 1 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 > 655391 2 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 2006-01-31 15:45:00 72 0 29.00 C 1940-01-01 > 655391 3 2006-02-02 13:32:00 101 2006-02-03 11:44:00 32 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 > 655391 4 2006-02-03 15:28:00 25 2006-02-03 20:56:00 26 0 0 C 1940-01-01 > 655391 5 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 > 655391 6 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 > 655391 7 2006-02-09 07:08:00 5 2006-02-14 13:51:00 5 0 4.00 C 1940-01-01 > 655391 8 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 > > Now here is a little bit of a tricky part, I dont need counts for 0,1,2 I > just need to find how many items are in 3 that left 2 on x date and so on > and so forth until your past 8. I do not need to know where the items have > been I need to know where there are now. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From smokenjoe2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 09:44:44 2006 From: smokenjoe2 at gmail.com (Joe S) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:44:44 -0500 Subject: [thelist] db2 query question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Result for that is 8 = 56814 On 3/2/06, Dan McCullough wrote: > > Try this, no guarantees > > SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 3 AND > B.ITEM = A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= A.DATE AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY > B.AREA > > On 3/2/06, Joe S wrote: > > I have a query where I am trying to get the count of items in a certain > > area. So I have a table that contains the items id, the time/date, the > area > > number. Now the table is setup so that each area is marked with a > time/date > > on when it entered and left, so you will have multiple entries for one > item. > > > > 655391 0 2005-12-22 15:59:00 32 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 0 1.00 C > 1940-01-01 > > 655391 1 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 0 1.00 C 1940-01-01 > > 655391 2 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 2006-01-31 15:45:00 72 0 29.00 C > 1940-01-01 > > 655391 3 2006-02-02 13:32:00 101 2006-02-03 11:44:00 32 0 1.00 C > 1940-01-01 > > 655391 4 2006-02-03 15:28:00 25 2006-02-03 20:56:00 26 0 0 C 1940-01-01 > > 655391 5 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 0 1.00 C > 1940-01-01 > > 655391 6 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 0 1.00 C > 1940-01-01 > > 655391 7 2006-02-09 07:08:00 5 2006-02-14 13:51:00 5 0 4.00 C 1940-01-01 > > 655391 8 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 0 1.00 C > 1940-01-01 > > > > Now here is a little bit of a tricky part, I dont need counts for 0,1,2 > I > > just need to find how many items are in 3 that left 2 on x date and so > on > > and so forth until your past 8. I do not need to know where the items > have > > been I need to know where there are now. > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 09:54:09 2006 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:54:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] Learning PHP In-Reply-To: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060302134734.65645.qmail@web30612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63771.216.215.170.194.1141314849.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> >I feel the need to learn php and be able to set up a contact form and > simple database maybe using MYSQL? > > What would be a good way to get started? I started reading this "Online Book" a while back, but have not had time to keep up with the reading. The author has since gotten the book published, so you can now (AFAIK) pick your pleasure - digital or print. See here: http://www.hudzilla.org/phpbook/ -- Jono Young Designer | Developer | Illustrator Charleston Web Solutions Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 10:03:07 2006 From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:03:07 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> Howdy group! I am trying to position 2 graphics side by side with each other and having problems getting the gap between them to close. Here is the CSS /* header */ #header { position: fixed; background: transparent; padding: 0px; } #header div.left { background-image: url(../grfx/1280_header_left_anim_out_only.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat; float: left; width: 270px; height: 165px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px; } #header div.right { background-image: url(../grfx/1280_header_right.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px; height: 165px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px; } And here is the HTML The image on the left is 270 px wide. The image on the right needs to butt up against it. Can someone see the error of my ways and point it out to me? There appears to be about a 5px gap between the images. From smokenjoe2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 10:20:24 2006 From: smokenjoe2 at gmail.com (Joe S) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:20:24 -0500 Subject: [thelist] db2 query question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I changed SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 3 AND B.ITEM= A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= A.DATE AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY B.AREA to SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 2 AND B.ITEM= A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= '2006-01-31' AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY B.AREA but I still only get a count from area 8 shouldnt there be more counts from 3,4,5,6 and so on. On 3/2/06, Joe S wrote: > > Result for that is 8 = 56814 > > > On 3/2/06, Dan McCullough wrote: > > > > Try this, no guarantees > > > > SELECT B.AREA, COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 A, TABLE1 B WHERE A.AREA = 3 AND > > B.ITEM = A.ITEM AND B.DATE >= A.DATE AND B.AREA > A.AREA GROUP BY > > B.AREA > > > > On 3/2/06, Joe S wrote: > > > I have a query where I am trying to get the count of items in a > > certain > > > area. So I have a table that contains the items id, the time/date, > > the area > > > number. Now the table is setup so that each area is marked with a > > time/date > > > on when it entered and left, so you will have multiple entries for one > > item. > > > > > > 655391 0 2005-12-22 15:59:00 32 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 0 1.00 C > > 1940-01-01 > > > 655391 1 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 2006-01-19 16:44:00 5 0 1.00 C > > 1940-01-01 > > > 655391 2 2005-12-22 16:21:00 76 2006-01-31 15:45:00 72 0 29.00 C > > 1940-01-01 > > > 655391 3 2006-02-02 13:32:00 101 2006-02-03 11:44:00 32 0 1.00 C > > 1940-01-01 > > > 655391 4 2006-02-03 15:28:00 25 2006-02-03 20:56:00 26 0 0 C > > 1940-01-01 > > > 655391 5 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 2006-02-08 15:36:00 12 0 1.00 C > > 1940-01-01 > > > 655391 6 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 2006-02-08 16:46:00 67 0 1.00 C > > 1940-01-01 > > > 655391 7 2006-02-09 07:08:00 5 2006-02-14 13:51:00 5 0 4.00 C > > 1940-01-01 > > > 655391 8 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 2006-02-14 15:11:00 18 0 1.00 C > > 1940-01-01 > > > > > > Now here is a little bit of a tricky part, I dont need counts for > > 0,1,2 I > > > just need to find how many items are in 3 that left 2 on x date and so > > on > > > and so forth until your past 8. I do not need to know where the items > > have > > > been I need to know where there are now. > > > -- > > > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > From morrison.ben at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 10:22:23 2006 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:22:23 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> References: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> Message-ID: <6073aef90603020822n14059aa0seadca7f5d84d55f7@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, jblanchard at pocket.com wrote: > I am trying to position 2 graphics side by side with each other and > having problems getting the gap between them to close. Here is the CSS > snipped > > The image on the left is 270 px wide. The image on the right needs to > butt up against it. Can someone see the error of my ways and point it > out to me? There appears to be about a 5px gap between the images. I'm not sure why it does that. You could add float:left to div.right, but it will need a width or some content. ben. From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 10:38:24 2006 From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:38:24 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B149A@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> [snip] I'm not sure why it does that. You could add float:left to div.right, but it will need a width or some content. [\snip] Tried it with float: left; and content but it completely hosed the layout. I found the following hack which I applied after the #header declarations; /* hide from other browsers \*/ * html .left {margin-right: -3px;} * html .right {margin-left: 0;} /* end hide */ Seems that the 3px gap is known in IE From evoltlist at delime.com Thu Mar 2 11:08:52 2006 From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:08:52 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.l ocal> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060302130759.026db9f0@mx.delime.com> Message from jblanchard at pocket.com (3/2/2006 10:03 AM) >Howdy group! > >I am trying to position 2 graphics side by side with each other and >having problems getting the gap between them to close. Here is the CSS > >And here is the HTML > > > >The image on the left is 270 px wide. The image on the right needs to >butt up against it. Can someone see the error of my ways and point it >out to me? There appears to be about a 5px gap between the images. Shot in the dark. Have you tried removing whitespace in the html? regards. -marc From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 11:12:16 2006 From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:12:16 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B14A7@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> [snip] > > >The image on the left is 270 px wide. The image on the right needs to >butt up against it. Can someone see the error of my ways and point it >out to me? There appears to be about a 5px gap between the images. Shot in the dark. Have you tried removing whitespace in the html? [/snip] That was one of the first things I did out of habit back when tables used to provide problems like this with whitespace. From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Mar 2 11:20:02 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:20:02 -0800 Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production Message-ID: Finally have a test environment for our intranet. I've shot myself in the foot by how I've been trying to synchronize changes. How do y'all do it? How do you track multiple ongoing projects on the test server, rolling out to production, etc? I've been too lazy about using VSS. Is that my solution? spinhead From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Mar 2 11:29:18 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:29:18 -0800 Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production Message-ID: > Finally have a test environment for our intranet. I've shot myself in > the foot by how I've been trying to synchronize changes. So, a little clarification: two servers with different names, therefore different link references, etc. in many places. Can't just grab what's in test and move to production; have to search/replace. And can't just let VSS diff the directories, 'cause I've made 'changes' to many files by simply mass changing the server name in linkage, whether or not any functionality changed. From evolt at markgroen.com Thu Mar 2 11:33:59 2006 From: evolt at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:33:59 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B149A@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> References: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B149A@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> Message-ID: <1141320839.2762.21.camel@mark> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 10:38 -0600, jblanchard at pocket.com wrote: > [snip] > I'm not sure why it does that. You could add float:left to div.right, > but it will need a width or some content. > [\snip] > > Tried it with float: left; and content but it completely hosed the > layout. I found the following hack which I applied after the #header > declarations; > > /* hide from other browsers \*/ > * html .left {margin-right: -3px;} > * html .right {margin-left: 0;} > /* end hide */ > > Seems that the 3px gap is known in IE ? Maybe I missed the first part of this post and something obvious... Nothing to do with a 3 px gap afaik, you need something for the browser to draw, iow there isn't anything there so you just get the defaults for an empty container, gaps and all. Also along the lines of missing the first part of the conversation, you wanted these images to align beside each other? A container will take up whatever space it is allowed, which is the full width of the browser window so you must tell it to float if you want it to float, otherwise you just get stacks of divs. This works: with this CSS for side-by side: .left { float:left; } .right { float:left; } hth! -- cheers, Mark From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 11:46:32 2006 From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:46:32 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B14AC@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> [snip] ? Maybe I missed the first part of this post and something obvious... Nothing to do with a 3 px gap afaik, you need something for the browser to draw, iow there isn't anything there so you just get the defaults for an empty container, gaps and all. Also along the lines of missing the first part of the conversation, you wanted these images to align beside each other? A container will take up whatever space it is allowed, which is the full width of the browser window so you must tell it to float if you want it to float, otherwise you just get stacks of divs. This works: with this CSS for side-by side: .left { float:left; } .right { float:left; } [/snip] The reason for using the images as background for the header divs is so that other elements can be positioned on top of the graphics with worrying about the placement of those graphics or having to cut them up further. The hack that I eventually applied works well and the graphics look fine in other browsers. This was strictly a problem with IE which I think I failed to mention. From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 11:53:52 2006 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:53:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes In-Reply-To: <44070ED1.9050501@topdogstrategy.com> References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <44070ED1.9050501@topdogstrategy.com> Message-ID: <51114.216.215.170.194.1141322032.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> > Steve Clason Wrote: > > > > // Function randomImages randomly selects a number of images > // from a folder and returns them encoded in html tags, > // one after the other. > // arguments are: > // $num: number of images to display > // $folder: path to where the images reside (eg. /images) > // $toFolder: prefix for folder path, depends on OS > // (like c:/websites/jamaicaJoe) > > // S. Clason > // www.topdogstrategy.com > // 1 Dec 05 > > // Random number generator > // selects a ramdom number from within a range > // takes a number as an argument > > function randomNumber($count) { > $ran = mt_rand(0, $count-1); > return $ran; > } > > function randomImages ($num, $toFolder, $folder) { > > //make an array of allowed extensions > $extList = array(); > $extList['gif'] = 'image/gif'; > $extList['jpg'] = 'image/jpeg'; > $extList['jpeg'] = 'image/jpeg'; > $extList['png'] = 'image/png'; > > //make sure the folder ends in '/' > if (substr($folder,-1) != '/') { > $folder = $folder.'/'; > } > > //make array with files in folder matching ext list > $imgList = array(); > $handle = opendir($toFolder . $folder); > while ($file = readdir($handle)) { > $file_info = pathinfo($file); > if (isset( $extList[ strtolower( $file_info['extension'])])) { > $imgList[] = $file; > } > } > closedir($handle); > > //make an array of $num length random images > $imgCount = count($imgList); > if ($imgCount >= $num) { //make sure enough images in folder > $i = 0; > $imgs = array(); > while ($i<$num) { > $imageNumber = randomNumber($imgCount); > > $imgPath = $imgList[$imageNumber]; > //make sure it's not in the array before including > if (in_array($imgPath, $imgs)){ > //do nothing > }else{ > $imgs[$i] = $imgPath; > $i++; > } > } > }else{ //create an blank image if not enough in the folder > $im = 'No images are
> available'; > $result = $im; > } > > //prepare the output > $count = count($imgs); > for ($j=0; $j<$count; $j++){ > //format the result for html display > @$result .= ""; > } > return $result; > } > ?> > > Thanks for the example. I've looked at three different PHP rotators, and they all deal with image rotation. All three are slightly hampered by the lack of alt tags, or width and height attributes, etc. All three suggest that it's possible to modify the code to work with text/html in addition to GIF, JPG, PNG, etc. I ended up getting a image rotation example from ALA to work on a [1]test page. I am NO WHERE NEAR PHP savvy enough to be able to rework the code to get that working. I was able to get a random image rotation to work on a [1]test page, but what I really want to do is swap, randomly, the entire
          area where the images appear. I have set up another [2]test page that discusses the rotation of the entire
          . [1]http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com/test_case/index_test_random.html [2]http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com/test_case/index_test_random_dl.html It seems like it should be easier than it is, considering how easy it is to do a regular include. I think I'm gonna' need to cough up a few bucks and hit a PHP class that the local university? -- Jono Young Designer | Developer | Illustrator Charleston Web Solutions Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com From Chris at globet.com Thu Mar 2 11:54:36 2006 From: Chris at globet.com (Chris at globet.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:54:36 -0000 Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production Message-ID: Joel > > Finally have a test environment for our intranet. I've shot > myself in > > the foot by how I've been trying to synchronize changes. > > So, a little clarification: two servers with different names, > therefore different link references, etc. in many places. > Can't just grab what's in test and move to production; have > to search/replace. And can't just let VSS diff the > directories, 'cause I've made 'changes' to many files by > simply mass changing the server name in linkage, whether or > not any functionality changed. Making changes to the codebase *after* testing and *before* you release means that you are releasing untested code. My preference would be to invest some time in ensuring that the links are all relative, and to remove all server-specific items to a config file of some sort; depending on which technology you're using. This will probably save time (and stress) in the long term. HTH Chris Marsh Web Developer http://www.globet.com/ Tel: +44 20 8246 4804 Ext 828 Fax: +44 20 8246 4808 Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the Company. This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete it from your system. From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Thu Mar 2 12:08:13 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:08:13 -0800 Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production Message-ID: > invest some time in ensuring that the links are all relative, and to > remove all server-specific items to a config file of some sort; ah yes; that's the ticket; also good point about making post-testing changes thanks From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 12:17:42 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:17:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question Message-ID: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Not sure if there are many Ajax folks on this list, but maybe someone has an idea to help me with this issue. I have a very simple Ajax process running that signs a person up to a mailing list and sends back a confirmation to the page, overwriting the join form. It works perfectly in Mozilla, but IE is throwing a lovely "unspecified error" (man do I hate that). Using the debugger, I've found it is complaining about the responseText. I'm doing the following onreadystatechange: ======================== function processRequestChange() { m = document.getElementById('msg'); // only if request shows "complete" if(request.readyState == 2 || request.readyState == 3 ) { m.innerHTML = "working..." } else if (request.readyState == 4) { // only if "OK" if (request.status == 200) { response = request.responseText; m = document.getElementById('msg'); m.innerHTML = response; } else { alert("There was a problem retrieving the data:\n" + request.statusText); } } } ======================= It seems to die on the response and I am not sure why. The php file handling this call is adding some GET data to a database and then ECHOs a string like so: ======================= $strResponse = ""; $result = mysql_query("INSERT INTO ctmembers(name, email) VALUES ('$mname', '$mmail')"); if (!$result) { die('Invalid query: ' . mysql_error()); $strResponse = "

          We're sorry but there is a problem with our mailing list. Please try again later.

          "; //TODO: Send myself a notification that there is a failure. } else { $strResponse = "

          You have successfully been added to the mailing list.

          "; } // Close connection $DB->disconnect(); echo $strResponse; <-- this should be the responseText ==================================== For some reason Mozilla grabs this but IE won't - anyone know why? Thanks Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:21:52 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:21:52 -0700 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question Message-ID: <6f58818ac9f6452ba650bfee84fdea10@easylistbox.com> I had that problem with ELB a while back. Try request.ResponseText for IE. And yes, I'm serious. From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com Not sure if there are many Ajax folks on this list, but maybe someone has an idea to help me with this issue. I have a very simple Ajax process running that signs a person up to a mailing list and sends back a confirmation to the page, overwriting the join form. It works perfectly in Mozilla, but IE is throwing a lovely "unspecified error" (man do I hate that). Using the debugger, I've found it is complaining about the responseText. I'm doing the following onreadystatechange: ======================== function processRequestChange() { m = document.getElementById('msg'); // only if request shows "complete" if(request.readyState == 2 || request.readyState == 3 ) { m.innerHTML = "working..." } else if (request.readyState == 4) { // only if "OK" if (request.status == 200) { response = request.responseText; m = document.getElementById('msg'); m.innerHTML = response; } else { alert("There was a problem retrieving the data:\n" + request.statusText); } } } ======================= It seems to die on the response and I am not sure why. The php file handling this call is adding some GET data to a database and then ECHOs a string like so: ======================= $strResponse = ""; $result = mysql_query("INSERT INTO ctmembers(name, email) VALUES ('$mname', '$mmail')"); if (!$result) { die('Invalid query: ' . mysql_error()); $strResponse = " We're sorry but there is a problem with our mailing list. Please try again later."; //TODO: Send myself a notification that there is a failure. } else { $strResponse = " You have successfully been added to the mailing list."; } // Close connection $DB->disconnect(); echo $strResponse; <-- this should be the responseText ==================================== For some reason Mozilla grabs this but IE won't - anyone know why? Thanks Tom From discuss at alphanumeric.cz Thu Mar 2 12:26:05 2006 From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:26:05 +0100 Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440738BD.7030409@alphanumeric.cz> > Is that my solution? Dunno. Colleagues use SVN and/or rsync. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:33:14 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:33:14 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question In-Reply-To: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > For some reason Mozilla grabs this but IE won't - anyone know why? No, not really. What do you get in IE when you alert() the responseText? -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 12:33:51 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:33:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question In-Reply-To: <6f58818ac9f6452ba650bfee84fdea10@easylistbox.com> Message-ID: <20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> If you mean capital R - didn't work. Turns out I overstated the problem. This is the deal: when response.responseText comes back, I can alert it as a valid string, even in IE. But when I go to apply that as innerHTML - that is when I get the error - so this is failing: response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay m = document.getElementById('msg'); m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?! For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried toString() with no luck... --- Peter Brunone wrote: > I had that problem with ELB a while back. > > Try request.ResponseText for IE. > > And yes, I'm serious. http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 12:35:22 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:35:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060302183522.54828.qmail@web51413.mail.yahoo.com> --- Matt Warden wrote: > What do you get in IE when you alert() the responseText? As just noted in my last message - I get the full string of text which is: "

          You have been successfully added to the list.

          " But IE won't apply it to the div via innerHTML. However it does this just fine during the earlier state change: m = document.getElementById('msg'); m.innerHTML = "working..." which seems very odd... http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From jblanchard at pocket.com Thu Mar 2 12:38:21 2006 From: jblanchard at pocket.com (jblanchard at pocket.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:38:21 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E69146F1B@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> [snip] The reason for using the images as background for the header divs is so that other elements can be positioned on top of the graphics with worrying about the placement of those graphics or having to cut them up further. The hack that I eventually applied works well and the graphics look fine in other browsers. This was strictly a problem with IE which I think I failed to mention. [/snip] I just discovered that Mozilla will not display this properly at all. Frack! The background image in the right hand div does not show up at all. Why can't all of the browser makers get on the same frackin' page (don't answer that, I know, I know) I guess that I could just say screw it and make one header graphic. It just makes things larger than necessary. From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:46:12 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:46:12 -0700 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question Message-ID: <007c570fff254fe483983b48d1bc0971@easylistbox.com> > If you mean capital R - didn't work. Does that mean your code below is a typo? > response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay :-D From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com If you mean capital R - didn't work. Turns out I overstated the problem. This is the deal: when response.responseText comes back, I can alert it as a valid string, even in IE. But when I go to apply that as innerHTML - that is when I get the error - so this is failing: response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay m = document.getElementById('msg'); m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?! For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried toString() with no luck... --- Peter Brunone wrote: > I had that problem with ELB a while back. > > Try request.ResponseText for IE. > > And yes, I'm serious. http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Thu Mar 2 12:50:11 2006 From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:50:11 +0000 Subject: [thelist] exim 4.6 help - selective catch all account allowing [a-][5 digit no][-b][@][domain] Message-ID: <44073E63.6010106@deltatraffic.co.uk> hi evolt Im working a mini project concerning the exim MTA. The documentation is very detailed and well written but Im on a short time budget and it would be great to find out how to configure exim to accept messages of a certain type with the flexiblity to handle wildcards but with also a fixed string. So we have something of the form: mytest*alex at deltatraffic.co.uk where * could be something like "-123772-" or "-234899-" or "-[n]-" Tried a few things but making something a bit more selective than a catch all account is proving difficult best Alex From mark.baldwin at attensa.com Thu Mar 2 12:48:28 2006 From: mark.baldwin at attensa.com (Mark Baldwin) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:48:28 -0800 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question In-Reply-To: <20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9F5997E7-2642-4867-B48E-DB6A218432D1@attensa.com> If toString isn't working, you might try explicitly setting the content type header in your php code: header("Content-type: text/plain"); and see if that gets you anywhere. Mark On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > If you mean capital R - didn't work. Turns out I overstated the > problem. This is the deal: > > when response.responseText comes back, I can alert it as a valid > string, even in IE. But when I go > to apply that as innerHTML - that is when I get the error - so this > is failing: > > response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay > m = document.getElementById('msg'); > m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?! > > For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried > toString() with no luck... > > --- Peter Brunone wrote: > >> I had that problem with ELB a while back. >> >> Try request.ResponseText for IE. >> >> And yes, I'm serious. > > http://www.pixelmech.com/ > http://www.crossandthrone.com/ > > > Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' > The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' > K9: 'I do.' > Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:48:07 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:48:07 -0700 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question Message-ID: <74166dc40a9c4929aae8c58d3a864010@easylistbox.com> Any chance the object that you think is a string really isn't, but it's being implicitly converted in the alert? I realize the chances of this are pretty slim in an all-variant world, but what happens if you use .toString on the response before shoving it into that div tag? From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com --- Matt Warden wrote: > What do you get in IE when you alert() the responseText? As just noted in my last message - I get the full string of text which is: " You have been successfully added to the list." But IE won't apply it to the div via innerHTML. However it does this just fine during the earlier state change: m = document.getElementById('msg'); m.innerHTML = "working..." which seems very odd... From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 12:50:12 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:50:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question [solved] In-Reply-To: <9F5997E7-2642-4867-B48E-DB6A218432D1@attensa.com> Message-ID: <20060302185012.60797.qmail@web51413.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Baldwin wrote: > If toString isn't working, you might try explicitly setting the > content type header in your php code: > header("Content-type: text/plain"); I had tried toString and the header is set to exactly that. Here is what it was apparently - I changed: $strResponse = "

          We're sorry but there is a problem with our mailing list. Please try again later.

          "; to this $strResponse = '

          We\'re sorry but there is a problem with our mailing list. Please try again later.

          '; double to single quotes in the php file. Something about the way that string was delivered, IE didn't like - I can't imagine what, but all of a sudden it worked when I did that. I'm not sure whether to be happy or tear my hair out. Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:49:21 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:49:21 -0700 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question Message-ID: <9107f5931dbd4eef9ebad9ad642100b1@easylistbox.com> Ah, crap. Ignore that last message. Apparently I have lost the ability to read. I blame the children. From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com --- Matt Warden wrote: > What do you get in IE when you alert() the responseText? As just noted in my last message - I get the full string of text which is: " You have been successfully added to the list." But IE won't apply it to the div via innerHTML. However it does this just fine during the earlier state change: m = document.getElementById('msg'); m.innerHTML = "working..." which seems very odd... From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:51:18 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:51:18 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question In-Reply-To: <20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6f58818ac9f6452ba650bfee84fdea10@easylistbox.com> <20060302183352.42924.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tom, On 3/2/06, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay > m = document.getElementById('msg'); > m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?! > > For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried toString() with no luck... Odd. I'm not sure how to help you, because I avoid innerHTML like the plague. I'd suggest altering your PHP output by removing the '

          ' and '

          ' tags, such that it is only outputting the string of text. Then change your JavaScript to something like this: response = request.responseText; if (m && document.createElement) { while (m.hasChildNodes()) { m.removeChild(m.firstChild); } var p = document.createElement('p'); p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(response)); m.appendChild(p); } -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 12:54:22 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:54:22 -0700 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question Message-ID: <9ddc6e12b73f4202b0a53d8f89aabdab@easylistbox.com> And if that doesn't work, try text/html or text/xml. Peter From: Mark Baldwin mark.baldwin at attensa.com If toString isn't working, you might try explicitly setting the content type header in your php code: header("Content-type: text/plain"); and see if that gets you anywhere. Mark On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > If you mean capital R - didn't work. Turns out I overstated the > problem. This is the deal: > > when response.responseText comes back, I can alert it as a valid > string, even in IE. But when I go > to apply that as innerHTML - that is when I get the error - so this > is failing: > > response = request.ResponseText; <-- this is okay > m = document.getElementById('msg'); > m.innerHTML = response; <-- this errors out!?!?! > > For some reason IE does not like the string of text? I tried > toString() with no luck... > > --- Peter Brunone wrote: > >> I had that problem with ELB a while back. >> >> Try request.ResponseText for IE. >> >> And yes, I'm serious. From sbeam at onsetcorps.net Thu Mar 2 12:58:42 2006 From: sbeam at onsetcorps.net (sbeam) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:58:42 -0500 Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes In-Reply-To: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> Message-ID: <200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:37 am, jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com wrote: > 1. Save each snippet of html for the 6 boxes in a directory called sb-boxes > > 2. Name each snippet sb-box1.inc, sb-box2.inc, sb-box3.inc, and so on include 'path/to/sb-boxes/sb-box' . rand(1, 6) . '.inc'; http://us3.php.net/rand -- # S Beam - Web App Dev Servs # http://www.onsetcorps.net/ From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 13:09:31 2006 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:09:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes In-Reply-To: <200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> Message-ID: <50098.216.215.170.194.1141326571.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> > On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:37 am, jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com > wrote: >> 1. Save each snippet of html for the 6 boxes in a directory called > sb-boxes >> >> 2. Name each snippet sb-box1.inc, sb-box2.inc, sb-box3.inc, and so on > > > include 'path/to/sb-boxes/sb-box' . rand(1, 6) . '.inc'; > > http://us3.php.net/rand If that works, that is AMAZINGLY AWESOME! That's the kind of easy I was thinking about! Thanks! I'll post back if I run into trouble. -- Jono Young Designer | Developer | Illustrator Charleston Web Solutions Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 13:12:01 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:12:01 -0700 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question Message-ID: <73ffdd430d784f8da2742f32b955703b@easylistbox.com> I'm curious -- why the aversion to innerHTML? From: "Matt Warden" mwarden at gmail.com I'm not sure how to help you, because I avoid innerHTML like the plague. From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 13:24:47 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:24:47 -0500 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question In-Reply-To: <73ffdd430d784f8da2742f32b955703b@easylistbox.com> References: <73ffdd430d784f8da2742f32b955703b@easylistbox.com> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, EasyListBox.com Peter Brunone wrote: > I'm curious -- why the aversion to innerHTML? > > From: "Matt Warden" mwarden at gmail.com > > I'm not sure how to help you, because I avoid innerHTML like the plague. A starter: http://www.google.com/search?q=innerhtml+%28evil+OR+devil%29 But, mainly, my problem is that it ties your entire ajax chain to the markup you are using. For example, imagine needing to change from HTML4 to XHTML if your markup is spread between your actual HTML pages, your JavaScript, and also the server-side of your AJAX application. Using DOM methods is not only standard, but it is an abstraction from markup. It's also more fun. -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From lewis at lewisfrancis.com Thu Mar 2 13:25:40 2006 From: lewis at lewisfrancis.com (Lewis Francis) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:25:40 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Activating ActiveX Controls (Hassan Schroeder) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hassan, Go to Windows Update, select 'Custom,' then, under 'Select by Type' on the left-hand panel, click on 'Software, Optional'. Look for 'Update for Windows XP (KB912945)'. There's some question as to whether this will remain an optional update or if it will be bundled into a future security update, at least I've been unsuccessful to date in nailing that down. Perhaps even Microsoft doesn't yet know? Hope this helps. -Lewis > ! Is this bundled into a "security update"? I'm not seeing anything > that looks like that, and I'd like to get it onto a test machine ASAP. > > Or if you've a URL to the MSDN location, that'd also be good, since > I can *never* find anything there... :-) > > TIA, > -- > Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com > blog: webtuitive.blogspot.com :: dream. code. -- filtered by: Lewis Francis @ 703.855.6995 http://www.informationgift.com/? ? ? -- From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 13:46:12 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:46:12 -0700 Subject: [thelist] How evil is innerHTML (was JavaScript/Ajax - responseText...) Message-ID: <2ad5048e72f4483aa244e4be1bb439be@easylistbox.com> Well, that makes sense... but all it really tells me is that innerHTML is to be avoided *for certain tasks*. Hopefully we try to avoid the "everything is a nail" mentality, so there are good applications to be found. > It's also more fun. I get a rush from adding all that markup in one line of code, but then again I'm kooky like that :) Peter From: "Matt Warden" mwarden at gmail.com On 3/2/06, EasyListBox.com Peter Brunone wrote: > I'm curious -- why the aversion to innerHTML? > > From: "Matt Warden" mwarden at gmail.com > > I'm not sure how to help you, because I avoid innerHTML like the plague. A starter: http://www.google.com/search?q=innerhtml+%28evil+OR+devil%29 But, mainly, my problem is that it ties your entire ajax chain to the markup you are using. For example, imagine needing to change from HTML4 to XHTML if your markup is spread between your actual HTML pages, your JavaScript, and also the server-side of your AJAX application. Using DOM methods is not only standard, but it is an abstraction from markup. It's also more fun. Matt Warden From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Thu Mar 2 14:06:55 2006 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:06:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] PHP Includes for Random Sidebar Boxes In-Reply-To: <200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> References: <51139.216.215.170.194.1141306622.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <200603021358.42650.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> Message-ID: <59203.216.215.170.194.1141330015.squirrel@charlestonwebsolutions.com> > include 'path/to/sb-boxes/sb-box' . rand(1, 6) . '.inc'; > > http://us3.php.net/rand I tested this out, and it works great! Didn't check anything but Firefox, but I am pretty sure that standard User Agents should not interfere. -- Jono Young Designer | Developer | Illustrator Charleston Web Solutions Bringing Higher Standards to the Lowcountry http://www.charlestonwebsolutions.com From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Thu Mar 2 14:46:19 2006 From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:46:19 -0500 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler Message-ID: If you are using MS SQL Server then this sure sounds like a job for DTS. James c -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of A Maynes Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:14 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am currently looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file somewhere locally and then running an upload task (all of this needs to be automated) so any help/info would be a great help. Andrew From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 15:28:49 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:28:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060302212849.15010.qmail@web51403.mail.yahoo.com> --- Matt Warden wrote: > I'd suggest altering your PHP output by removing the '

          ' and '

          ' > tags, such that it is only outputting the string of text. Then change > your JavaScript to something like this: > > response = request.responseText; > if (m && document.createElement) { > while (m.hasChildNodes()) { > m.removeChild(m.firstChild); > } > > var p = document.createElement('p'); > p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(response)); > m.appendChild(p); > } Well, shortly after it was working - it wasn't. Go figure. So I replaced the innerHTML with Matt's suggestion above, and it works fine. So there you have it, IE can sometimes choke on innerHTML for some unknown reason - good to know. Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From peter at easylistbox.com Thu Mar 2 15:31:46 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:31:46 -0700 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question Message-ID: <194ad017117341bbb9eca924f62b657c@easylistbox.com> Did you get around to trying the different content type? From: Tom Dell'Aringa pixelmech at yahoo.com --- Matt Warden wrote: > I'd suggest altering your PHP output by removing the ' ' and '' > tags, such that it is only outputting the string of text. Then change > your JavaScript to something like this: > > response = request.responseText; > if (m && document.createElement) { > while (m.hasChildNodes()) { > m.removeChild(m.firstChild); > } > > var p = document.createElement('p'); > p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(response)); > m.appendChild(p); > } Well, shortly after it was working - it wasn't. Go figure. So I replaced the innerHTML with Matt's suggestion above, and it works fine. So there you have it, IE can sometimes choke on innerHTML for some unknown reason - good to know. Tom From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 15:53:39 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:53:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox! Message-ID: <20060302215339.1196.qmail@web51411.mail.yahoo.com> Egad, just when you thought it was ready...you get this: "Error: uncaught exception: Permission denied to call method XMLHttpRequest.open" This is in FireFox 1.5. It worked perfectly at work in FF, but I come home and begin to implement it, and now it fails in FF at home. The script is in the same domain, so I don't get why this would happen...any ideas on how to debug this? Now it works just fine in IE - I'm getting too old for this! Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Thu Mar 2 15:59:56 2006 From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:59:56 +1300 Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox! Message-ID: Hi Tom, No direct experience, but this page may throw some light on the subject: http://www.captain.at/howto-ajax-permission-denied-xmlhttprequest.php I believe it's a security measure to prevent Cross-Site-Scripting, so there may be some issue about the script making a call from one domain to another. Seeing as there's a difference from work to home, I'd guess that something at home is making FF think the call and receive scripts are on different domains... My 2c anyway, Paul -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Tom Dell'Aringa Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:54 AM To: thelist Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox! Egad, just when you thought it was ready...you get this: "Error: uncaught exception: Permission denied to call method XMLHttpRequest.open" This is in FireFox 1.5. It worked perfectly at work in FF, but I come home and begin to implement it, and now it fails in FF at home. The script is in the same domain, so I don't get why this would happen...any ideas on how to debug this? Now it works just fine in IE - I'm getting too old for this! Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 16:04:50 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:04:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox! In-Reply-To: <20060302215339.1196.qmail@web51411.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060302215339.1196.qmail@web51411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tom, On 3/2/06, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > Egad, just when you thought it was ready...you get this: > > "Error: uncaught exception: Permission denied to call method XMLHttpRequest.open" > > This is in FireFox 1.5. It worked perfectly at work in FF, but I come home and begin to implement > it, and now it fails in FF at home. The script is in the same domain, so I don't get why this > would happen...any ideas on how to debug this? Now it works just fine in IE - I'm getting too old > for this! Are you getting it consistently or only occasionally, like when you issue multiple requests in a short period of time? -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 16:15:46 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:15:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060302221546.41801.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> --- Matt Warden wrote: > Are you getting it consistently or only occasionally, like when you > issue multiple requests in a short period of time? Seems to be every time, no matter what. Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 16:17:16 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:17:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060302221716.44498.qmail@web51413.mail.yahoo.com> --- Paul Bennett wrote: > No direct experience, but this page may throw some light on the subject: > http://www.captain.at/howto-ajax-permission-denied-xmlhttprequest.php Except the file has been uploaded to my server - and the page and the php file both reside on the same domain (albeit different directories)... http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From ftarzwell at fayec.com Thu Mar 2 16:37:01 2006 From: ftarzwell at fayec.com (Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:37:01 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Live support script? Message-ID: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com> One of my clients sent me the following request: "a single chat support that would be on our main webpage that anyone can log in from any location,our main location in Mississauga will be the one answering the questions. We would answer mostly general questions regarding our services just like we do on the phone. We would like to show the hours we'd be available for chat support and to be notified like msn when someone is on the line, also, if there's a way that Tina can do this from her home computer. Is there also a way the person can register first before login to our chat support line (to avoid misusers)." Their site is currently using a PHP CMS and I have found chat modules for it but the issue is the notification part. Can anybody recommend a PHP solution that has a notification like MSN (the popup saying so and so is online) ? Thanks in advance, FayeC From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 16:40:34 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:40:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox! [solved] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060302224034.27786.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com> Insert comment about me being dumb here. My problem was I typed in crossandthrone.com instead of WWW.crossandthrone.com. IDEEIOT. I didn't notice it until I relaunched the browser. Isn't there a way to force your domain via .htaccess to jump to the www if this happens? Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Mar 2 16:44:29 2006 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:44:29 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Live support script? In-Reply-To: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com> References: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com> Message-ID: <4407754D.2080706@neptunewebworks.com> Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) wrote: > One of my clients sent me the following request: > "a single chat support that would be on our main webpage that anyone can > log in from any location, Google for "live help php" and you'll get some more options, but one well-known app is phpLiveSupport. Not sure if it has the system tray notifcations like an IM client such MSN, but I believe it meets your other criteria. http://www.phplivesupport.com/ -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From jdowdell at adobe.com Thu Mar 2 17:12:39 2006 From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:12:39 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Gigs on the web In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44077BE7.8020104@adobe.com> Ken Moore wrote: > I have a client who wants to move a system to the internet. They want their > clients to be able to access 3D imaging from the web site. Each client will > have about 1/2 gig of information and they will have several tousand > clients. Is this information in pre-rendered bitmap form, or is it data and models which can have viewing parameters set on the client for local realtime rendering? (For example, showing how a proposed building would fit into its environment could call for tons and tons of images, or just a single 3D model file which could then have camera, lighting and shading set on the client for repeated local rendering.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. From rachell at rachellcoe.com Thu Mar 2 17:18:23 2006 From: rachell at rachellcoe.com (Rachell Coe) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:18:23 -0800 Subject: [thelist] My Very Own Website In-Reply-To: <4405BD9F.9050704@netvision.net> Message-ID: <007101c63e4f$9a1454c0$7e01a8c0@D2THDZ81> I definitely prefer the 1st one -- the total transparency on the second made it look to busy. Rachell Coe From pms at stoutstreet.com Thu Mar 2 17:31:32 2006 From: pms at stoutstreet.com (patrick) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:31:32 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Live support script? In-Reply-To: <4407754D.2080706@neptunewebworks.com> References: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com> <4407754D.2080706@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <44078054.8000801@stoutstreet.com> Max Schwanekamp wrote: > Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) wrote: >> One of my clients sent me the following request: >> "a single chat support that would be on our main webpage that anyone can >> log in from any location, > > Google for "live help php" and you'll get some more options, but one > well-known app is phpLiveSupport. Not sure if it has the system tray > notifcations like an IM client such MSN, but I believe it meets your > other criteria. > > http://www.phplivesupport.com/ > We have used this, but I would raise a caveat: they use the Zend encoder stuff so you cannot make security updates when needed (you need to wait for them.) They recently had EGREGIOUS security issues that caused us to not upgrade (we are running a pre-encoded version) and patch the code ourselves. -- patrick sanders http://www.stoutstreet.com web sites that fit From and-evolt at doxdesk.com Thu Mar 2 17:48:45 2006 From: and-evolt at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:48:45 +0100 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question In-Reply-To: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4407845D.5050002@doxdesk.com> Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > IE is throwing a lovely "unspecified error" (man do I hate that). That's typically what you get when you try to write innerHTML to 'special' elements IE doesn't like writing innerHTML to - stuff like . You sure 'm' is a
          ? Is it in a valid place in the document (eg. everything validates)? But yeah, in any case, it'd be preferable IMO to return a string and write that to a text node's 'data' property. > $result = mysql_query("INSERT INTO ctmembers(name, email) VALUES > ('$mname', '$mmail')"); Eeeeee! SQL injection! -- And Clover mailto:and at doxdesk.com http://www.doxdesk.com/ From drstuey at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 17:53:28 2006 From: drstuey at gmail.com (Stuart Young) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:53:28 +1300 Subject: [thelist] Link and title accessibility In-Reply-To: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net> References: <152BCD56-9E16-40F7-AB71-F8D6FC5E0652@bredband.net> Message-ID: On 27/02/06, Andreas Wahlin wrote: > > If you have a link where the link-text is exactly the same as you > imagine the title-text to be, you should omit the title attribut right? Yes. The accessibility guideline says "Clearly identify the target of each link." If the link text does that then a link title is not needed. tags should of course be used for things such as MIT, but if > you have a link where the title attribute is identical to the abbr > tags title-attribute, should you still use an abbr tag or is that to > much? I would keep the abbr title and ditch the link title. Although of course, pedantically semantically MIT is not an abbr, its an acronym, which is used exactly the same way as abbr. http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_acronym.asp Also, as a side note, titles such as > title="Go to Massachusetts Institute of Technology homepage" > must be quite unneccesary, as everyone knows that links go to homepages. > title="Massachusetts Institute of Technology" > Should suffice, right? Yes, except that it is good to use "active" language on the web, because it (sub-conciously?) encourages people to do something. Hence using language such as "View the 2nd quarter report in PDF format" "Go to the results of the survey" "Read the latest press release" "Listen to Sue's audioblog" etc etc cheers -- This is the gmail account of Stuart Young Pt Chev, Auckland, New Zealand From david at gigawatt.com Thu Mar 2 18:05:55 2006 From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:05:55 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Ajax redux - another problem this time with FireFox![solved] References: <20060302224034.27786.qmail@web51415.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c63e56$3efd6020$020010ac@cylon> Hi Tom, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > My problem was I typed in crossandthrone.com instead of > WWW.crossandthrone.com. IDEEIOT. I didn't notice it until I > relaunched the browser. Isn't there a way to force your domain via > .htaccess to jump to the www if this happens? This works for me: RewriteEngine On RewriteBase / RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www.gigawatt.com$ RewriteRule (.*) http://www.gigawatt.com/$1 [R,L] To make sure URL's like this: http://gigawatt.com/dk/gravity/ Get redirected to: http://www.gigawatt.com/dk/gravity/ hth, -dave From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Thu Mar 2 18:56:24 2006 From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex Beston) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:56:24 +0000 Subject: [thelist] exim 4.6 help - selective catch all account allowing [a-][5 digit no][-b][@][domain] Message-ID: <44079438.6090005@deltatraffic.co.uk> I think i solved it: from: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.60/doc/html/filter.html#SECTex # Exim filter if $local_part_suffix contains "mytest-" and $local_part_suffix contains "-alex" then save $home/mail/alex_test endif and put it into a file called .forward anyone agree with this? Alex On 02/03/06, *Alex Beston* wrote: hi evolt Im working a mini project concerning the exim MTA. The documentation is very detailed and well written but Im on a short time budget and it would be great to find out how to configure exim to accept messages of a certain type with the flexiblity to handle wildcards but with also a fixed string. So we have something of the form: mytest*alex at deltatraffic.co.uk where * could be something like "-123772-" or "-234899-" or "-[n]-" Tried a few things but making something a bit more selective than a catch all account is proving difficult best Alex -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 20:54:38 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:54:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] JavaScript - possible to dynamically change the TITLE tag? Message-ID: <20060303025438.49665.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there, Since my blog runs in wordpress, the only way I have to manipulate the TITLE for the whole site is in one file, and its the same on every page. This kind of blows for the search engines, it's best to have unique titles. >From what I can tell on the net, document.title = "foo" should change the title - but I cannot get it to work. I've tried various versions, but currently have this: function adjustTitle() { document.title = "Cross and Throne - Bible Study and Exposition - Audio Messages"; } window.onload = adjustTitle; If I pop an alert, yeah the function loads. If I alert the .title, it gives me the correct string. But it will not let me change it. Can this be done? http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From jacob at jaacob.com Thu Mar 2 20:59:41 2006 From: jacob at jaacob.com (Jacob Reiff) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:59:41 -0800 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript - possible to dynamically change the TITLE tag? In-Reply-To: <20060303025438.49665.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060303025438.49665.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9829E00F-3525-4169-A685-77FA638735F7@jaacob.com> On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > Hi there, > > Since my blog runs in wordpress, the only way I have to manipulate > the TITLE for the whole site is > in one file, and its the same on every page. This kind of blows for > the search engines, it's best > to have unique titles. > >> From what I can tell on the net, document.title = "foo" should >> change the title - but I cannot get > it to work. I've tried various versions, but currently have this: > > function adjustTitle() > { > document.title = "Cross and Throne - Bible Study and Exposition - > Audio Messages"; > } > window.onload = adjustTitle; > > If I pop an alert, yeah the function loads. If I alert the .title, > it gives me the correct string. > But it will not let me change it. Can this be done? > Tom - Check out the WordPress Codex on how to use Conditional Tags to make the title change depending on what page is being displayed. http://codex.wordpress.org/Conditional_Tags Don't need to utilize Javascript at all - just PHP. -- Jacob http://www.jaacob.com/ From pixelmech at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 21:00:40 2006 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:00:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] JavaScript - possible to dynamically change the TITLE tag? In-Reply-To: <9829E00F-3525-4169-A685-77FA638735F7@jaacob.com> Message-ID: <20060303030040.44362.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jacob Reiff wrote: > Check out the WordPress Codex on how to use Conditional Tags to make > the title change depending on what page is being displayed. > > http://codex.wordpress.org/Conditional_Tags > > Don't need to utilize Javascript at all - just PHP. Great, thanks Jacob - I had searched for something but obviously didn't find the right thing! Tom http://www.pixelmech.com/ http://www.crossandthrone.com/ Professor Rumford: 'But I still don't understand about hyperspace.' The Doctor: 'Well, who does?' K9: 'I do.' Doctor: 'Shut up, K9!' From msunpongco at hotmail.com Thu Mar 2 21:46:57 2006 From: msunpongco at hotmail.com (Maya Sunpongco) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:46:57 -0800 Subject: [thelist] overflow:auto and show/hide layers Message-ID: Why is this happening? Why is the hidden "lyr4" showing up automatically when I put Please see: http://tinyurl.com/g2tfz You can click the images above the scrolling textfield to swap between hidden "lyr1", "lyr2", "lyr3", "lyr4" content It works perfectly for 3 swaplayers but when I add more than 3 "lyr" then this happens. Help! ~Maya From andrew at milords.com Fri Mar 3 04:36:13 2006 From: andrew at milords.com (A Maynes) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:36:13 -0000 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c63eae$4b57e180$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER> Hi thanks do you have a link? Andrew -----Original Message----- From: James Conley [mailto:Conleyj at kubota-kma.com] Sent: 02 March 2006 20:46 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler If you are using MS SQL Server then this sure sounds like a job for DTS. James c -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of A Maynes Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:14 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am currently looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file somewhere locally and then running an upload task (all of this needs to be automated) so any help/info would be a great help. Andrew -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From juha.suni at sparecom.fi Fri Mar 3 04:58:21 2006 From: juha.suni at sparecom.fi (Juha Suni) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:58:21 -0000 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript - possible to dynamically change the TITLE tag? References: <20060303025438.49665.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c628b1$2a91abb0$8401a8c0@m6454c0093c614> Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: > Since my blog runs in wordpress, the only way I have to manipulate > the TITLE for the whole site is in one file, and its the same on > every page. This kind of blows for the search engines, it's best to > have unique titles. > >> From what I can tell on the net, document.title = "foo" should >> change the title - but I cannot get > it to work. I've tried various versions, Changing the title via javascript would do no good as far as SEO is concerned. It's javascript, remember? -- Suni From lee.kowalkowski at lycos.com Fri Mar 3 05:39:21 2006 From: lee.kowalkowski at lycos.com (Lee Kowalkowski) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 06:39:21 -0500 Subject: [thelist] overflow:auto and show/hide layers Message-ID: <20060303113922.162D9CA080@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maya Sunpongco" > > Why is the hidden "lyr4" showing up automatically lyr4 is not hidden. Only lyr1-3 are hidden in your stylesheet. - LK -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Fri Mar 3 08:15:26 2006 From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:15:26 -0500 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler Message-ID: DTS is built into SQL Server starting with version 7.0 IIRC. So you should have it if you have SQL 2000 or 7. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dtssql/ dts_basic_71v7.asp DTS can automate [just about] anything in SQL Server. There are DTS tasks for executing a query/SP, exporting data, importing data, etc. Combined with the SQL Server Scheduler which can run queries, execute DOS command-line commands, etc. you should have the tools you need. james c. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of A Maynes Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:36 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler Hi thanks do you have a link? Andrew -----Original Message----- From: James Conley [mailto:Conleyj at kubota-kma.com] Sent: 02 March 2006 20:46 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler If you are using MS SQL Server then this sure sounds like a job for DTS. James c -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of A Maynes Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:14 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am currently looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file somewhere locally and then running an upload task (all of this needs to be automated) so any help/info would be a great help. Andrew -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Fri Mar 3 08:38:47 2006 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:38:47 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Live support script? In-Reply-To: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com> References: <4407738D.3090701@fayec.com> Message-ID: <440854F7.50804@craftedsolutions.com> I use PHP Live Helper on my site and several of my clients. It is relatively inexpensive, but has a lot of features. There is a 7-day trial version on the site: http://www.turnkeywebtools.com/index.php/location/products/product/phplivehelper/ I have several licenses that I purchased in volume that I can offer if you are interested. Norman --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC) wrote: >One of my clients sent me the following request: >"a single chat support that would be on our main webpage that anyone can >log in from any location,our main location in Mississauga will be the >one answering the questions. We would answer mostly general questions >regarding our services just like we do on the phone. We would like to >show the hours we'd be available for chat support and to be notified >like msn when someone is on the line, also, if there's a way that Tina >can do this from her home computer. Is there also a way the person can >register first before login to our chat support line (to avoid misusers)." >Their site is currently using a PHP CMS and I have found chat modules >for it but the issue is the notification part. >Can anybody recommend a PHP solution that has a notification like MSN >(the popup saying so and so is online) ? > >Thanks in advance, > >FayeC > > > > > > From steven.pierce at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 09:00:14 2006 From: steven.pierce at gmail.com (Steven Pierce) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:00:14 -0800 Subject: [thelist] FTP Scheduler In-Reply-To: <000801c63dd9$b5a62540$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER> References: <6e0cf1cc0603011038te9354c6xf5c0e60ae2f6d6af@mail.gmail.com> <000801c63dd9$b5a62540$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER> Message-ID: <6e0cf1cc0603030700h52cd4e84j4a623dcd88b5d8ef@mail.gmail.com> I am sorry that I did not get right back to you. I got side tracked yesterday. The main part of it is setting up the task to allow it to run at a specific time. You do a new task (right click and create new) and then follow the wizard. Once you are done, then you can go in and edit it so that it runs when you need it to. Steven On 3/2/06, A Maynes wrote: > > Steven, could yu give any further info on this please? I am currently > looking at running a query on MSSQL saving the file somewhere locally > and then running an upload task (all of this needs to be automated) so > any help/info would be a great help. > > Andrew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Pierce [mailto:steven.pierce at gmail.com] > Sent: 01 March 2006 18:38 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler > > > Task scheduler can really powerful. I work for a small windows > consulting shop, and we use task scheduler to do some of the > back up's. It is then moved to a second drive (USB External). > It then sends a report to our server so that we can view it to > make sure it ran. It will give you date and time, or just day > of the week. We currently have it run on Monday evening about 2 am. > > HTH... > > > On 3/1/06, Chris Dempsey wrote: > > > > > http://www.natso-backup.com/ > > I'll check this out. > > > > > If your websites are all hosted on a linux box and you have the > > > ability > > to > > > run cron jobs, then I would suggest looking into rsync. It can do > > > everything that you mentioned above. > > It's Windows boxes we host on. > > > > Thanks guys. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > > > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK > > > Sent: 01 March 2006 16:21 > > > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > > Subject: Re: [thelist] FTP Scheduler > > > > > > I use Natso Backup server for my backup needs: > > > > > > http://www.natso-backup.com/ > > > > > > it supports ftp backup, scheduling, archiving backup files, etc. > > > > > > it is not free but imho it is worth the price tag. > > > > > > HTH, > > > -- > > > Volkan Ozcelik > > > +>Yep! I'm blogging! : > > > +>http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/ > > > +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/ > > > -- > > > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and > > > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the > > > Web, evolt ! > > > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and > > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, > > evolt ! > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From don at pasewark.com Fri Mar 3 10:16:52 2006 From: don at pasewark.com (Donald Pasewark) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:16:52 -0800 Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to our sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing (through Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred. When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML Email and what formatting limitations there may be. Thanks! Don -- ........................................... Donald Pasewark Pasewark Creative 1516 Weaverly Drive Petaluma, CA 94954-3728 707.789.9960 vox/fax http://www.pasewark.com don at pasewark.com From morrison.ben at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 10:21:40 2006 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:21:40 +0000 Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6073aef90603030821v60d99101s2272772c9b4d08d3@mail.gmail.com> On 3/3/06, Donald Pasewark wrote: > > I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to > our sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing > (through Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred. > > When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and > HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the > right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML > Email and what formatting limitations there may be. When i've made HTML emails I have generally stuck to HTML 3.0 and avoided the use of CSS. Dare i say it - even using simple tables for layout. Apparently support for CSS is improving in email clients, but its a lot of work to take on for what is generally a little return financially. This link will help you if you wish to carry on with the CSS route: http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2005/08/optimizing_css_1.html hth ben. From jacob at jaacob.com Fri Mar 3 10:55:01 2006 From: jacob at jaacob.com (Jacob Reiff) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:55:01 -0800 Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hi All, > > I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to > our sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing > (through Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred. > > When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and > HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the > right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML > Email and what formatting limitations there may be. > Don - Since there is such a wide variety of email clients out there (with differing levels of support), the number one rule is to test, test, test. Most subscribe to the rule that you can only use CSS for decoration, not positioning in email. Inline CSS is the best way to ensure it doesn't get stripped out by the client. One source of info is the css-d wiki: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=StyleInEmail Also, this ALA article has some good information on the limitations you should place on how you code: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssemail/ -- Jacob http://www.jaacob.com/ From chris at lwcdial.net Fri Mar 3 11:56:21 2006 From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:56:21 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Print stylesheet hiding URL Message-ID: <001c01c63eeb$e805d1d0$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net> I was just wondering, is it possible to hide the URL of the page being printed? It gets placed in the footer or header by default depending on browser. If the pages in question are sensitive it might help security through obscurity if you could avoid the location of the pages being unnecessarily printed. From Conleyj at kubota-kma.com Fri Mar 3 12:06:59 2006 From: Conleyj at kubota-kma.com (James Conley) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:06:59 -0500 Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question Message-ID: I had to do an HTML/emailer thing not too long ago and it looks like [Outlook at least] can handle a tag set. I used CSS and put it inside the email inside of a style tag. james -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of ben morrison Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:22 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML Email question On 3/3/06, Donald Pasewark wrote: > > I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to our > sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing (through > Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred. > > When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and > HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the > right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML > Email and what formatting limitations there may be. When i've made HTML emails I have generally stuck to HTML 3.0 and avoided the use of CSS. Dare i say it - even using simple tables for layout. Apparently support for CSS is improving in email clients, but its a lot of work to take on for what is generally a little return financially. This link will help you if you wish to carry on with the CSS route: http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2005/08/optimizing_css_1.ht ml hth ben. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From rdornin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 3 12:14:01 2006 From: rdornin at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dornin) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:14:01 +0000 Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would look at the source of some html emails from well known companies to see what they do. I would bet that they use the style tags and have all styling in the html, meaning no linking to style sheets. In my html email newsletter, I use something like this in the head, and regular classes and ids in the body. It comes out fine in outlook and most other email browsers i've seen. Good Luck and let us know what you discover. RD From: "James Conley" Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" To: Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML Email question Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:06:59 -0500 I had to do an HTML/emailer thing not too long ago and it looks like [Outlook at least] can handle a tag set. I used CSS and put it inside the email inside of a style tag. james -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of ben morrison Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:22 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML Email question On 3/3/06, Donald Pasewark wrote: > > I've recently been tasked at work to create a weekly HTML Email to our > sales force. I've got the templates done and initial testing (through > Outlook) shows that the CSS styles are not been transferred. > > When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and > HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the > right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML > Email and what formatting limitations there may be. When i've made HTML emails I have generally stuck to HTML 3.0 and avoided the use of CSS. Dare i say it - even using simple tables for layout. Apparently support for CSS is improving in email clients, but its a lot of work to take on for what is generally a little return financially. This link will help you if you wish to carry on with the CSS route: http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2005/08/optimizing_css_1.ht ml hth ben. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From drew.trusz at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 12:39:52 2006 From: drew.trusz at gmail.com (Drew Trusz) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:39:52 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Positioning graphics with CSS In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> References: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E690B1492@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local> Message-ID: <16e49aa10603031039v722c4cbqcc6bcbf3c19ff1e2@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, jblanchard at pocket.com wrote: > Howdy group! > > I am trying to position 2 graphics side by side with each other and > having problems getting the gap between them to close. Here is the CSS > > /* header */ > #header { > position: fixed; > background: transparent; > padding: 0px; > } > #header div.left { > background-image: > url(../grfx/1280_header_left_anim_out_only.gif); > background-repeat: no-repeat; > float: left; > width: 270px; > height: 165px; > margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px; > } > #header div.right { > background-image: url(../grfx/1280_header_right.gif); > background-repeat: no-repeat; > margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px; > height: 165px; > padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px; > } > > And here is the HTML > > > You might want to look at collapsing margins in css2.1 to see where the problem originates: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/box.html#collapsing-margins Also, the 3px issue is fully discussed on position-is-everything. If you haven't been there before: http://www.positioniseverything.net drew From asifsuria at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 12:53:08 2006 From: asifsuria at yahoo.com (Asif Suria) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:53:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060303185308.65144.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com> I have been sending out HTML email for the last few months as well and the one thing that caused a lot of trouble was the use of CSS. Sometimes the CSS you use could override the CSS used by web based email systems such as Yahoo or Hotmail and at other times their CSS could override yours. Also for those people who do not wish to get HTML email, providing an alternative is always a good idea. As others on the list mentioned, you will have to do a whole lot of testing. When I was looking for a service to send out my monthly newsletters, Jono suggested http://www.CampaignMonitor.com and I am extremely satisfied with their service and their reporting capabilities. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From steve.illgen at crackerbarrel.com Fri Mar 3 11:52:53 2006 From: steve.illgen at crackerbarrel.com (Illgen Steve 448) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:52:53 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits Message-ID: <0F4361173DBFA44C904F4EBFDC965630D049@exchange03.CBOCS.com> We are seeing exactly the same thing with IE 6 running on Windows XP. This appears to be causing other problems with our application server as well. Did you ever find a solution for this? Thanks, Steve Illgen From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 14:51:44 2006 From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:51:44 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher Message-ID: <0F8747FA-C152-47AA-80DE-A1E58FE639A8@fstorr.demon.co.uk> Hi all This should be simple, but for some reason I can't work out why this isn't working. This is what I've got:
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          And this is what I want: Before anyone says anything, yes I know using JS to insert links is bad - this whole thing started off as a "I'll just write this script for a couple of quick development tasks to show proof of concept" and now it's just something that I can't get working. In the actual document everything works fine except the inserting bit - I've tried using appendChild, firstChild.insertBefore and just about everything else, but it just won't play. Here's what I've got:
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          Cheers F From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 15:06:31 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:06:31 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher In-Reply-To: <0F8747FA-C152-47AA-80DE-A1E58FE639A8@fstorr.demon.co.uk> References: <0F8747FA-C152-47AA-80DE-A1E58FE639A8@fstorr.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On 3/3/06, fstorr wrote: > items[i].lastChild.insertBefore(a, items[i]); Well, I can say that this will not work. I think what you want is: items[i].insertBefore(a, items[i].lastChild); However, I'm not sure what items[i].lastChild would return when there are no children. It must not be null or you would be getting a script error. I would suggest using appendChild, though. I know you said you gave it a shot, but try it again, becuse it should work fine. items[i].appendChild(a); -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Mar 3 15:10:26 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:10:26 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher Message-ID: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com> Matt will probably have my head, but what about var items = lists[0].getElementsByTagName("li"); for (var i=0;i"; } ? If that doesn't work, let us know what's happening (error message, unexpected results, absolutely nothing) and we'll sort it out. Cheers, Peter ---------------------------------------- From: fstorr Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 1:56 PM To: Evolt Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher Hi all This should be simple, but for some reason I can't work out why this isn't working. This is what I've got: Quarter 1 Quarter 2 And this is what I want: Quarter 1 Quarter 2 Before anyone says anything, yes I know using JS to insert links is bad - this whole thing started off as a "I'll just write this script for a couple of quick development tasks to show proof of concept" and now it's just something that I can't get working. In the actual document everything works fine except the inserting bit - I've tried using appendChild, firstChild.insertBefore and just about everything else, but it just won't play. Here's what I've got: function alertnone() { var content = document.getElementById("content"); var lists = content.getElementsByTagName("ul"); var items = lists[0].getElementsByTagName("li"); for (var i=0;i Quarter 1 link Quarter 2 link Quarter 3 link Cheers F -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jbruso at SHERIDAN.EDU Fri Mar 3 15:15:14 2006 From: jbruso at SHERIDAN.EDU (Bruso, John) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:15:14 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU> I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for web design/development of their web sites or portals. Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P Wouldn't it be nice? :) John ------------------------- John Bruso IS Developer Sheridan College ph 307.674-6446-2608 From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Mar 3 15:19:07 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:19:07 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: <8d148ecfdb644c3981257c9250c08f2b@easylistbox.com> I have a handful of clients like this, but they're generally the sort who don't have any IT operations to speak of. Work is slow to not-quite-slow right now. From: "Bruso, John" Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:16 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for web design/development of their web sites or portals. Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P Wouldn't it be nice? :) John ------------------------- John Bruso IS Developer Sheridan College ph 307.674-6446-2608 From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Mar 3 15:24:14 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:24:14 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, > especially for > web design/development of their web sites or portals. I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management) wants to see a body here in front of a computer. spinhead From jbruso at SHERIDAN.EDU Fri Mar 3 15:27:49 2006 From: jbruso at SHERIDAN.EDU (Bruso, John) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:27:49 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F87@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU> Yeah, I see that as well.. there is a paradigm of control that is so hard to break... our jobs can really be done remotely. ------------------------- John Bruso IS Developer Sheridan College ph 307.674-6446-2608 -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Canfield, Joel Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:24 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, > especially for > web design/development of their web sites or portals. I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management) wants to see a body here in front of a computer. spinhead -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Mar 3 15:29:41 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:29:41 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: My current (day job) employer is a giant insurance company. Our team members are allowed to work remotely at times (usually when they need to be out for some reason), but they are required to use a company laptop. From: "Canfield, Joel" JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, > especially for > web design/development of their web sites or portals. I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management) wants to see a body here in front of a computer. spinhead From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Mar 3 15:31:07 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:31:07 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: > Yeah, I see that as well.. there is a paradigm of control that is so > hard to break... our jobs can really be done remotely. Empirical evidence I've gathered shows that telecommuters who produce at the office produce more, better, from home (or wherever.) Here, the issue is not opening the door to others requesting it. But when I bring it up again, I'll be using the uniqueness of my job description as a lever. From d.ryan.johnston at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 15:33:34 2006 From: d.ryan.johnston at gmail.com (Ryan Johnston) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:33:34 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I work for a leading online agency and can say that of all the development 'roles', only the top flash developers are able to work from any location they wish (home, other city, other country, etc.). The market is pretty tight for exceptional flash developers at the moment. Everyone else must come to work each day :) --ryan On 3/3/06, Canfield, Joel wrote: > > > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any > > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, > > especially for > > web design/development of their web sites or portals. > > I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and > better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management) > wants to see a body here in front of a computer. > > spinhead > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From april at farstrider.org Fri Mar 3 15:41:13 2006 From: april at farstrider.org (April) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:41:13 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? In-Reply-To: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU> References: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU> Message-ID: <4408B7F9.9020900@farstrider.org> Around here, a common job ad for a contractor goes "must be in office for initial meeting and 1 to 2 days per week". They're fine with some or all of the work being from home, but want to meet in person initially. Very few advertise a salaried position as full telecommute for web design. Working from home 2 or 3 days a week is a common perk, though. There's a few for more menial tasks like data entry, that also have really easily measurable deliverables for each day (20 articles a day, 500 forms a day, etc.). I do know a number of people (web designers and non) who telecommute either part or full time, but it's usually after working somewhere for a while in office, then something coming up that makes telecommute more convenient for one or the other party... and everyone agreeing to the idea. Bruso, John wrote: > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for > web design/development of their web sites or portals. > > Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P > > Wouldn't it be nice? :) > > John > > ------------------------- > John Bruso > IS Developer > Sheridan College > ph 307.674-6446-2608 > > > > From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 15:38:50 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:38:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > From: "Canfield, Joel" JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org > > > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any > > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, > > especially for > > web design/development of their web sites or portals. > > I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and > better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management) > wants to see a body here in front of a computer. I am in a consultant relationship right now, so it might not really apply. But, I had to specifically request a seat in the office, as they just assumed I would work remotely except in rare occasions (meetings, close work with employees, etc.). -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From peter at easylistbox.com Fri Mar 3 15:38:12 2006 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:38:12 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: Sounds like what I've seen as well. By the way, what's "around here"? I wouldn't mind finding more ads like that. :) From: April april at farstrider.org Around here, a common job ad for a contractor goes "must be in office for initial meeting and 1 to 2 days per week". They're fine with some or all of the work being from home, but want to meet in person initially. Very few advertise a salaried position as full telecommute for web design. Working from home 2 or 3 days a week is a common perk, though. There's a few for more menial tasks like data entry, that also have really easily measurable deliverables for each day (20 articles a day, 500 forms a day, etc.). I do know a number of people (web designers and non) who telecommute either part or full time, but it's usually after working somewhere for a while in office, then something coming up that makes telecommute more convenient for one or the other party... and everyone agreeing to the idea. Bruso, John wrote: > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for > web design/development of their web sites or portals. > > Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P > > Wouldn't it be nice? :) > > John From dexilalolai at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 15:48:34 2006 From: dexilalolai at yahoo.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:48:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? In-Reply-To: <4408B7F9.9020900@farstrider.org> Message-ID: <20060303214834.71960.qmail@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I work for a large (Fortune500) mortgage transaction services company, and we have around 130ish in the IT dept (not including contractors). I think we're a little progressive; working from home is okay and they're fairly agreeable to it. We do some offshore outsourcing too. I've been 100% remote since I moved back in October, and my initial fears about playing outside the corporate culture have been assuaged since (a raise and noticable increase in productivity helps). It's something that comes up in the interview, but I'm pretty sure we wouldn't hire someone outright as remote-only (other than offshore folks, and even then we have their liasons in the office)... sgd ----- Original Message ---- Bruso, John wrote: > I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any > movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for > web design/development of their web sites or portals. > From april at farstrider.org Fri Mar 3 16:05:14 2006 From: april at farstrider.org (April) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:05:14 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4408BD9A.9040208@farstrider.org> Sorry, around here is Bay Area, California. Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose and all the stuff in between. I should clarify that by "common" I meant when you see it you aren't surprised... not it's the ad you see most often. Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > Sounds like what I've seen as well. > > By the way, what's "around here"? I wouldn't mind finding more ads like that. :) > > From: April april at farstrider.org > > Around here, a common job ad for a contractor goes "must be in office > for initial meeting and 1 to 2 days per week". They're fine with some > or all of the work being from home, but want to meet in person initially. > > Very few advertise a salaried position as full telecommute for web > design. Working from home 2 or 3 days a week is a common perk, though. > There's a few for more menial tasks like data entry, that also have > really easily measurable deliverables for each day (20 articles a day, > 500 forms a day, etc.). I do know a number of people (web designers and > non) who telecommute either part or full time, but it's usually after > working somewhere for a while in office, then something coming up that > makes telecommute more convenient for one or the other party... and > everyone agreeing to the idea. > > Bruso, John wrote: >> I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any >> movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for >> web design/development of their web sites or portals. >> >> Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P >> >> Wouldn't it be nice? :) >> >> John From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 16:34:33 2006 From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:34:33 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher In-Reply-To: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com> References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com> Message-ID: <0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk> On 3 Mar, 2006, at 21:10, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > items[i].innerHTML = "" + items[i].innerHTML + ""; > } Hi Peter The innerHTML works fine, but I'd quite like to avoid using non- standard stuff if possible. Both of Matt's suggestions didn't work unfortunately. Regards F From mwarden at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 16:56:23 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:56:23 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher In-Reply-To: <0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk> References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com> <0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4408C997.6040009@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 fstorr wrote: > On 3 Mar, 2006, at 21:10, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > Both of Matt's suggestions didn't work > unfortunately. Weird. Do you have a page where we can check this out? - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFECMmXrI3LObhzHRMRAhvGAJ9NCEZ8IhaE+GkrU9ZhGYGKsmNx1ACgjc+i 0W6Ak5Zjn0fxbjGithQgyrE= =zVCC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 17:15:26 2006 From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:15:26 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher In-Reply-To: <4408C997.6040009@gmail.com> References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com> <0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk> <4408C997.6040009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <37A5DCC0-2F00-4BA4-995F-F330C9BC69A9@fstorr.demon.co.uk> On 3 Mar, 2006, at 22:56, Matt Warden wrote: > > fstorr wrote: >> On 3 Mar, 2006, at 21:10, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: >> Both of Matt's suggestions didn't work unfortunately. > > Weird. Do you have a page where we can check this out? Yeah, that's what I thought. I've put the code back to appendChild, and there's a page here: http://www.thespiceweasel.com/js.html Regards F From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 17:43:23 2006 From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:43:23 +0000 Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E1CC414-CEE1-48F6-BEE0-D267C66B7A05@fstorr.demon.co.uk> On 3 Mar, 2006, at 16:16, Donald Pasewark wrote: > Hi All, > > When all is said and done, I'm not really clear on how HTML Email and > HTML are different. I was wondering if anyone can point me in the > right direction on a good tutorial or reference on how to create HTML > Email and what formatting limitations there may be. > I read up on this about a month ago as I had to design HTML emails for the first time. Basically, to "bullet-proof" it, apply all your styles inline - you can't rely on adding CSS into the head of a document as, when viewed in some webmail clients, you'll find that their CSS rules (especially governing things like body background colour and text formatting) will overwrite yours. You do end up with horrible tag-soup code, but it does result in a consistent look in everything I tried (Outlook, Mail on the Mac, Gmail, Hotmail). The Alistapart article is good - make sure you go through the discussion as well as there's some more good stuff in there. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssemail/ Regards F From howard at dhitechnologies.com Fri Mar 3 18:06:20 2006 From: howard at dhitechnologies.com (Howard Jess) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:06:20 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603031606.20668.howard@dhitechnologies.com> F wrote > This should be simple, but for some reason I can't work out why this ? > isn't working. ?This is what I've got: > >
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          OK, look at this as a DOM tree: ul li [text] li [text] li [text] In this line in your code items[i].lastChild.insertBefore(a, items[i]); items[i] is an
        • element. items[i].lastChild is a text node. So items[i].lastChild.insertBefore(a, items[i]) means insert the element before the
        • (items[i]) child of the text node (items[i].lastChild). This is obviously wrong. You really want to move the text of the
        • into the you created, and make the a child of the
        • ; so (untested): function alertnone() { ? ? var content = document.getElementById("content"); ? ? var lists = content.getElementsByTagName("ul"); ? ? var items = lists[0].getElementsByTagName("li"); ? ? for (var i=0;i ? ? ? ? items[i].appendChild(a); ? ?} } hj From me at machak.com Fri Mar 3 18:15:39 2006 From: me at machak.com (m.milicevic) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:15:39 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com><0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk><4408C997.6040009@gmail.com> <37A5DCC0-2F00-4BA4-995F-F330C9BC69A9@fstorr.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <001001c63f20$c64bd640$4001a8c0@jjooee> Hi there, [snip] > http://www.thespiceweasel.com/js.html it should look something like this: var a = document.createElement("a"); a.setAttribute("href", "#"); a.appendChild(items[i].firstChild) items[i].appendChild(a); - m.j.milicevic From saraiyap at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 18:47:34 2006 From: saraiyap at yahoo.com (Parshadi Saraiya) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:47:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] HTML Email question In-Reply-To: <6E1CC414-CEE1-48F6-BEE0-D267C66B7A05@fstorr.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060304004734.63437.qmail@web32110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I read up on this about a month ago as I had to design HTML emails for the first time. Basically, to "bullet-proof" it, apply all your styles inline - you can't rely on adding CSS into the head of a document as, when viewed in some webmail clients, you'll find that their CSS rules (especially governing things like body background colour and text formatting) will overwrite yours. You do end up with horrible tag-soup code, but it does result in a consistent look in everything I tried (Outlook, Mail on the Mac, Gmail, Hotmail). I agree. We have been sending out HTML emails for a while. We use only inline styles and avoid using graphics if possible. Our HTML emails work fine on almost all new browsers for both Mac and PC. -Parshadi. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Mar 3 18:47:34 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:47:34 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: > I am in a consultant relationship right now, so it might not really > apply. exactly; my consulting gigs assume I have my own office and some wouldn't have room for me if I asked ;) From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org Fri Mar 3 18:50:00 2006 From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:50:00 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: > Sorry, around here is Bay Area, California. Oakland, San > Francisco, San > Jose and all the stuff in between. > > I should clarify that by "common" I meant when you see it you aren't > surprised... not it's the ad you see most often. hey, my 'around here' is sacramento; our 'other office' is downtown SF. Yeah, my contacts in the bay area consider it normal to telecommute to some extent. wonder if the incomprehensible price of office space has anything to do with it? From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Mar 3 18:57:39 2006 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:57:39 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E691F4D41@kjserver1.kjhome.local> : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Illgen Steve 448 : Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 4:53 AM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits : : We are seeing exactly the same thing with IE 6 running on Windows XP. This : appears to be causing other problems with our application server as well. : : Did you ever find a solution for this? : : Thanks, : : Steve Illgen Get a network capture from both ends to see what's actually being transmitted between client and server. Until then we don't know why you are seeing the duplicate requests, and talking about a solution is premature. Cheers Ken From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Mar 3 19:00:56 2006 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:00:56 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E691F4D42@kjserver1.kjhome.local> : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Canfield, Joel : Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 11:48 AM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? : : > I am in a consultant relationship right now, so it might not really : > apply. : : exactly; my consulting gigs assume I have my own office and some : wouldn't have room for me if I asked ;) Interesting. I've found that clients expect consultants to be in the office at all times. Contractors, different story. Maybe I'm drawing too fine a line between a contractor and a consultant. Cheers Ken From larry at sigmawebstudios.com Fri Mar 3 22:22:23 2006 From: larry at sigmawebstudios.com (Larry Levenson) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:22:23 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? In-Reply-To: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN. EDU> References: <29365246B78D08469DE4B49D32BCB10E01227F83@scmail2.SHERIDAN.EDU> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060303211813.01e41d30@sigmawebstudios.com> John, OK, I'll go against the "flow" on this one. . . I own a web design/consulting firm. All members of our team work remotely, and we ALL work remotely from our customers. We have work all over the US and keep busy. Meetings are conducted with GoToMeeting and this is very satisfactory. Having said this, don't think it's easy to "go remote". Then has been a lot of trial and error in communicating and designing systems that work well for dispersed teams. However, we have found this to be a most agreeable way to work. Larry Levenson Sigma Web Studios Prescott AZ At 02:15 PM 3/3/2006, you wrote: >I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience or seen any >movement in the area of hiring workers who work remotely, especially for >web design/development of their web sites or portals. > >Yeah.. you caught me on a Friday afternoon daydream :P > >Wouldn't it be nice? :) > >John -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/273 - Release Date: 3/2/2006 From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 4 02:24:06 2006 From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:24:06 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Simple JavaScript not working head scratcher In-Reply-To: <001001c63f20$c64bd640$4001a8c0@jjooee> References: <7e84522ab6aa44c38731eda126b144ea@easylistbox.com><0DEB871F-22D9-48A2-9843-6AD56FCC5853@fstorr.demon.co.uk><4408C997.6040009@gmail.com> <37A5DCC0-2F00-4BA4-995F-F330C9BC69A9@fstorr.demon.co.uk> <001001c63f20$c64bd640$4001a8c0@jjooee> Message-ID: <160AEA47-52B6-42B6-B899-87BDF1EDA9BB@fstorr.demon.co.uk> m.j, howard - thanks. That makes sense - I just wasn't thinking around the problem well enough. Regards F From moseley at hank.org Sat Mar 4 08:12:30 2006 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 06:12:30 -0800 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript/Ajax - responseText and IE question In-Reply-To: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060302181742.36190.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060304141229.GA27464@hank.org> Tom, Have you considered using something like Prototype's Ajax.Updater? http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Ajax.Updater -- Bill Moseley moseley at hank.org From webguync at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 13:31:46 2006 From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:31:46 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Javascript to sort columns not working Message-ID: <463b785d0603041131wa755470u9616b287a1a4e973@mail.gmail.com> I have a page where I am using a script I found on the web ti *try* and sort the columns alphabetically and numericaly. Right now it's not working and I can;t figure out why. I probably haven't replaced the JS with the correct info. to fit my needs, but was hoping there could some assistance from users on this list. The page is http://www.inspired-evolution.com/skillset.php The JS code can be found through view source. Thanks in advance! -- ::Bruce:: From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 13:38:03 2006 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:38:03 +0200 Subject: [thelist] synchronizing test and production In-Reply-To: <440738BD.7030409@alphanumeric.cz> References: <440738BD.7030409@alphanumeric.cz> Message-ID: > invest some time in ensuring that the links are all relative, and to > remove all server-specific items to a config file of some sort; I second that. I do it generally on my web.config file. I have developement constants (such as db connection strings, predefined directories etc) and their production counterparts declared the same web.config file. So far, I have done the syncing in two different ways: - Either at code execution phase I sniff the url (Request.URL in asp.net) and decide which constant to use. - Or define yet another variance on the web.config file (say Environment) and choose local connection string if Environment is "LOCAL" and development connection string if Environment is "DEVELOPMENT" etc. Just change this single variable and upload the config file. Although what I do is .net specific, imho, it can be implemented to any server-side (scripting or compiled) language such as Classic ASP, JSP, PHP, CF etc. HTH, -- Volkan Ozcelik +>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/volkanozcelik/blog/ +> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/ From stevec at topdogstrategy.com Sat Mar 4 13:56:10 2006 From: stevec at topdogstrategy.com (Steve Clason) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:56:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Javascript to sort columns not working In-Reply-To: <463b785d0603041131wa755470u9616b287a1a4e973@mail.gmail.com> References: <463b785d0603041131wa755470u9616b287a1a4e973@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4409F0DA.9010404@topdogstrategy.com> Bruce Gilbert wrote: > I have a page where I am using a script I found on the web ti *try* > and sort the columns alphabetically and numericaly. > > Right now it's not working and I can;t figure out why. I probably > haven't replaced the JS with the correct info. to fit my needs, but > was hoping there could some assistance from users on this list. > > The page is http://www.inspired-evolution.com/skillset.php > > The JS code can be found through view source. I don't see any columns to sort or a script that wants to sort them. Are you sure you gave us the right url? -- Steve Clason Web Design & Development Boulder, Colorado, USA www.topdogstrategy.com (303)818-8590 From webguync at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 14:43:34 2006 From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:43:34 -0500 Subject: [thelist] [work] Javascript to sort columns not working In-Reply-To: <4409F323.2070108@netvision.net> References: <463b785d0603041131wa755470u9616b287a1a4e973@mail.gmail.com> <4409F323.2070108@netvision.net> Message-ID: <463b785d0603041243l18326167h751589da3a4b62d8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, I tried adding the "#" and that doesn't do anything either. The correc URL is http://www.inspired-evolution.com/Skillset.php I would be glad to read about morer elegent solutions as well. On 3/4/06, Hershel Robinson wrote: > Oh, BTW, you did give the wrong URL. I found the link to it. :) > > Bruce Gilbert wrote: > > I have a page where I am using a script I found on the web ti *try* > > and sort the columns alphabetically and numericaly. > > > > Right now it's not working and I can;t figure out why. I probably > > haven't replaced the JS with the correct info. to fit my needs, but > > was hoping there could some assistance from users on this list. > > > > The page is http://www.inspired-evolution.com/skillset.php > > > > The JS code can be found through view source. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > -- > > ::Bruce:: > > -- ::Bruce:: From moseley at hank.org Sat Mar 4 15:50:51 2006 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:50:51 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Question about memory leaks with Javascript and Ajax Message-ID: <20060304215051.GA3143@hank.org> I'm new to javascript, but I have seen comments about memory leaks. I'm wondering if I need to be concerned about what I'm doing. This message was warnocked on the Behaviour list -- sorry for any duplicates. I have a table that I apply events to using Behaviour. http://bennolan.com/behaviour/ For example: Behaviour.register( { '#matrix td a' : function(e){ addEvent(e, 'click', stop_bubble, false ); e.onclick = function() { return true; } } } ); Now, that #matrix div can be completely replaced by an Ajax call (using Ajax.Updater) -- the table's headings can be clicked to sort by a column, for example, and the table is updated in-place. In the Ajax.Updater call I specify an onComplete action of "Behaviour.apply" to reapply the actions to the newly replaced table. So, what I'm curious about is when I replace the table with the Ajax call do I have to worry about those (old) events added to the original table? That is, do updates to the DOM take care of garbage collection? -- Bill Moseley moseley at hank.org From steven.streight at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 16:39:19 2006 From: steven.streight at gmail.com (Steven Streight) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:39:19 -0600 Subject: [thelist] blog archive template problem Message-ID: Cannot get my blog to display monthly archives list. My template is a hodge podge of a few different designs, plus my own tweaking. Is there a CSS element prior to sidebar code, that needs changing? The blog with problem is Vaspers the Grate (see URL in sig below). Thanks. -- Steven Streight aka Vaspers the Grate Web Usability. Blogs. RSS. Social Media. http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com SKYPE: vaspersthegrate From ftarzwell at fayec.com Sat Mar 4 21:38:13 2006 From: ftarzwell at fayec.com (Flavia Tarzwell (FayeC)) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 22:38:13 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ITCN Forum and Microsoft SQL Server db conversions? Message-ID: <440A5D25.7000500@fayec.com> A client of mine has an ITCN Forum on her site. It was set up by the hosting company. SHe is not very happy with the Forum since it is not very easy to customize and it's not something she can take with her if she changes hosting companies. It seems that you need access to the server to be able to install it and some folders necessary for the Forum to work are not accessible through normal ftp access. My question is: what can I do to move this forum to a new host (client's request) without losing all the threads and users already registered? I think I could do a backup of the db but that doesn't mean anything unless I can reinstall the forum in the new webspace which I am not sure can be done. Has anybody done such a thing? I mean moving from one forum to another without losing all the data already stored in the db? Thanks in advance for any tips on this matter, FayeC From rorylysaght at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 00:43:46 2006 From: rorylysaght at gmail.com (Rory Lysaght) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:43:46 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Javascript orderform speed issue In-Reply-To: <6a0cd0650603042237h540a9ce1s75a9a5de88ae9e42@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a0cd0650603042237h540a9ce1s75a9a5de88ae9e42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6a0cd0650603042243n46178e28w24a86c8f344f403b@mail.gmail.com> I've got a large order form that uses script to update the subtotal automatically as soon as you enter a quantity. The page itself is pretty large - about 1050 products in about 11 tables. I'm working on slimming down that code. But the problem I have is the speed of updating the page subtotal. Every time someone enters a number in the quantity field, I need to loop through all 1050 fields to update the page total. In Firefox it's really zippy, but in IE6/Win it's incredibly slow. I'm guessing on older /slower PCs it's almost unusable. I've optimized the Javascript as much as I can, but I'm wondering if anyone can explain why it's radically slower in IE, or suggest a faster way to do this? You can see the form here: http://memoryboxco.com/orderform.htm Thanks, Rory From mwarden at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 03:12:57 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 04:12:57 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Javascript orderform speed issue In-Reply-To: <6a0cd0650603042243n46178e28w24a86c8f344f403b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a0cd0650603042237h540a9ce1s75a9a5de88ae9e42@mail.gmail.com> <6a0cd0650603042243n46178e28w24a86c8f344f403b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440AAB99.90100@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rory Lysaght wrote: > I've got a large order form that uses script to update the subtotal > automatically as soon as you enter a quantity. The page itself is > pretty large - about 1050 products in about 11 tables. I'm working on > slimming down that code. But the problem I have is the speed of > updating the page subtotal. Every time someone enters a number in the > quantity field, I need to loop through all 1050 fields to update the > page total. In Firefox it's really zippy, but in IE6/Win it's > incredibly slow. I'm guessing on older /slower PCs it's almost > unusable. I've optimized the Javascript as much as I can, but I'm > wondering if anyone can explain why it's radically slower in IE, or > suggest a faster way to do this? > You can see the form here: http://memoryboxco.com/orderform.htm There's no need to go through every field. Only the ones the user has touched. Something like... var touched = {}; window.onload = function() { var inputs = document.getElementsByTagName('input'); for (var i=0; i I've got a large order form that uses script to update the subtotal automatically as soon as you enter a quantity. The page itself is pretty large - about 1050 products in about 11 tables. I'm working on slimming down that code. But the problem I have is the speed of updating the page total. Every time someone enters a number in the quantity field, I need to loop through all 1050 fields to update the page total. In Firefox it's pretty really zippy, but in IE6/Win it's incredibly slow. I'm guessing on older /slower PCs it's almost unusable. I've optimized the Javascript as much as I can, but I'm wondering if anyone can explain why it's radically slower in IE, or suggest a faster way to do this? You can see the form here: http://memoryboxco.com/orderform.htm Thanks, Rory From dwclifton at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 13:45:22 2006 From: dwclifton at gmail.com (Douglas Clifton) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:45:22 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits Message-ID: <7d6cdcb0603051145w4503f8ccu2437fddf9e433008@mail.gmail.com> > : -----Original Message----- > : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Illgen Steve 448 > : Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 4:53 AM > : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > : Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer 6 generating many duplicate hits > : > : We are seeing exactly the same thing with IE 6 running on Windows XP. This > : appears to be causing other problems with our application server as well. > : > : Did you ever find a solution for this? > : > : Thanks, > : > : Steve Illgen > > Get a network capture from both ends to see what's actually being transmitted > between client and server. Until then we don't know why you are seeing the > duplicate requests, and talking about a solution is premature. This can be caused by requests to resources that IE refuses to cache. Are you using, for example, HTC files, or compressed CSS/JS? -- Douglas Clifton dwclifton at gmail.com http://loadaveragezero.com/ http://loadaveragezero.com/app/s9y/ http://loadaveragezero.com/drx/rss/recent From martin at easyweb.co.uk Sun Mar 5 17:00:28 2006 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:00:28 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Announcing the evolt.org Design Contest! Message-ID: <9560F308-9E5C-4FA0-A38D-696D55CC5026@easyweb.co.uk> Hi folks Ever looked at the evolt site and thought "I could do better than that"? Ever thought "All very nice, but it's a bit 1999"? Ever thought "It's not using *half* the potential that Drupal (plus modules) gives it"? Ever thought "Wish we could be as gorgeous as $insertsitehere"? Well, now's your chance. Evolt.org is proud to announce a grand Design Contest, to redesign www.evolt.org. If your entry wins, it becomes the new design - simple, eh? Background, rules and so on at http://evolt.org/2006-weo-design-contest but the key things are: 1) The site's staying in Drupal 2) Ease of implementation is as important as beauty of design 3) Entries in by end April Cheers Martin -- > Spammers: Send me email -> yumyum at easyweb.co.uk to train my filter > http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/ Sell Cloth Nappies from your website: http://www.purpur.co.uk/announcing-purpur-associates From rob.smith at lexjet.com Sun Mar 5 18:29:15 2006 From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:29:15 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Telecommuting or Remote Web Development? Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE019107D7@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com> I'm seeing the opposite. My real job could be done completely, and better, from home. But, upper management (not my immediate management) wants to see a body here in front of a computer. I share the same sentiment. I'm actually replying to this post from my home computer, terminal serviced in. I could have a VoiP phone and work as if I were sitting at my desk. In fact, we had a lead developer do that for a while. He just wasn't a people person and was in his "element" at home. In a similar instance at my last job, I took off for a month to visit my wife's home country of South Africa. Upper management had two criteria to let me take off that long of a time. One, I nail most of my major projects prior to leaving, and I take a laptop with me so I can check my email once or twice a week; just to make sure nothing had blown up. A.k.a. ball and chain. Fear not fellow evolter's, as we prove that to them over time our trust and ability to work regardless of location, you'll see further leniency towards our choice of work location. I'm dreaming of a beach front condo in Cancun...or Tahiti, in a Tommy Bahama T-shirt sipping on "Octopus Juice". It's a drink at the Living Sea's restaurant in EPCOT, Walt Disney World, FL. Yummy! Rob Smith LexJet rob.smith at lexjet.com http://www.lexjet.com (800)453-9538 (941)330-1210 Int'l (941)330-1220 Fax 1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor Sarasota, FL 34236 Proud Sponsors of the Professional Digital Imaging Association (www.pdia.org) From rorylysaght at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 18:38:16 2006 From: rorylysaght at gmail.com (Rory Lysaght) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:38:16 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Javascript orderform speed issue In-Reply-To: <440AAB99.90100@gmail.com> References: <6a0cd0650603042237h540a9ce1s75a9a5de88ae9e42@mail.gmail.com> <6a0cd0650603042243n46178e28w24a86c8f344f403b@mail.gmail.com> <440AAB99.90100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6a0cd0650603051638q751b2b2h696756d94e2bf8e5@mail.gmail.com> Matt, Thanks. You were right - I don't need to cycle through the entire form every single time. I just check the changed field and add it to the subtotal. Script zips along now in Firefox and IE. EXCEPT for one situation: if someone enters a bunch of items, then goes back and deletes a previously entered number, the script has no way to tell what quantity was just deleted and to update the total. So in this case, I need to recalculate the entire form again. I moved my old loop out into a function, so I only need to run it in this case, but then I'm back to glacial performance in IE. On 3/5/06, Matt Warden wrote: > There's no need to go through every field. Only the ones the user has > touched. > > Something like... > > var touched = {}; > > window.onload = function() > { > var inputs = document.getElementsByTagName('input'); > for (var i=0; i inputs[i].onchange = markTouched; > } > } > > function markTouched(e) > { > e = e || window.event; > var input = e.srcElement || e.target; > var id = input.id; > touched[id] = input.value; > } > > function updateTotal() > { > var totalinput = ...; > // ... > // use the object touched = {id: value, id: value, etc.} > // to calculate total. you don't really need to revisit > // the actual input fields at this point. > // ... > } > > window.setInterval("updateTotal();", 800); > > - -- > Matt Warden > Miami University > Oxford, OH, USA > http://mattwarden.com From mwarden at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 18:51:11 2006 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:51:11 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Javascript orderform speed issue In-Reply-To: <6a0cd0650603051638q751b2b2h696756d94e2bf8e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a0cd0650603042237h540a9ce1s75a9a5de88ae9e42@mail.gmail.com> <6a0cd0650603042243n46178e28w24a86c8f344f403b@mail.gmail.com> <440AAB99.90100@gmail.com> <6a0cd0650603051638q751b2b2h696756d94e2bf8e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440B877F.6080600@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rory Lysaght wrote: > Matt, > Thanks. You were right - I don't need to cycle through the entire > form every single time. I just check the changed field and add it to > the subtotal. Script zips along now in Firefox and IE. > EXCEPT for one situation: if someone enters a bunch of items, then > goes back and deletes a previously entered number, the script has no > way to tell what quantity was just deleted and to update the total. > So in this case, I need to recalculate the entire form again. I moved > my old loop out into a function, so I only need to run it in this > case, but then I'm back to glacial performance in IE. You still need only compute the values in the fields in the touched object. There is not a case that I can think of where you need to loop through every input field, unless fields have starting values whe the page is loaded (even then, you could get around it). - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEC4d/rI3LObhzHRMRAm8DAJ0W9Yd+WXVg7L47pDB1znK1mEb6agCcDNHm koF5JHAHZVlvIporElk1xKI= =j2oG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----