From harvester at lists.evolt.org Mon Mar 17 00:00:09 2008 From: harvester at lists.evolt.org (harvester at lists.evolt.org) Date: 17 Mar 2008 00:00:09 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Mar 10, 2008 Message-ID: <20080317050009.10938.qmail@tempest.evolt.org> The tip harvest for the Week of Monday Mar 10, 2008 has been added to the lists.evolt.org site. Get it at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/show.cgi?w=20080310 Week at a glance listing at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/week.cgi?w=20080310 Harvest Summary --------------- Number of messages: 89 Number of tips : 3 Tip Authors ----------- kasimir-k (2) Noah St. Amand (1) Tip Types --------- CSS (1) html comments (1) jQuery (1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What: Tips are how a list subscriber "pays" for making an off-topic post to the list (see List Info for more information). Of course, this does not make off-topic posts acceptable. :) How : You include a tip in your posting by using the [tip]...[/tip] tag (replace the square brackets with angle brackets). The tip tag takes the optional attributes of 'type' and 'author'. From jolive at tinet.org Mon Mar 17 05:01:03 2008 From: jolive at tinet.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Joan_Oliv=E9_i_Mallafr=E8?=) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:01:03 +0100 Subject: [thelist] problems with proxy in Barcelona area Message-ID: <003501c88815$cfd654c0$2101a8c0@alef> Good day, I'm very troubled due to the missfunction of the site: www.cinesmontcada.com and concretelly to the proxy's refreshment process The fact is that this client must change the content each week, but in the Barcelona area, the most traffic is arriving through the Telefonica de Espa?a proxy, this proxy doen't refresh the content for even 3 week late... In past week, I've changed the index.html page to "principal.html" and in index.html I've settled: As far as I knew, this ought to be sufficient to by-pass the proxy, but now, somebody comes to me saying that the contents she can see are 3 weeks older! Please, have you any advise in order to avoid this problem? Thanks a lot from Barcelona Joan Oliv? i Mallafr? From joshua at waetech.com Mon Mar 17 05:41:26 2008 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:41:26 -0400 Subject: [thelist] problems with proxy in Barcelona area In-Reply-To: <003501c88815$cfd654c0$2101a8c0@alef> References: <003501c88815$cfd654c0$2101a8c0@alef> Message-ID: <001b01c8881b$7444f570$7801a8c0@OLSONXPS> > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan Oliv? i Mallafr? > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:01 AM > > I'm very troubled due to the missfunction of the site: > www.cinesmontcada.com and concretelly to the proxy's > refreshment process Joan, Double check your HTTP response headers and make you are passing all the cache-busting commands, such as Pragma, Cache-Control, Expires. PHP Example: ASP Example: <% Response.CacheControl = "no-cache, must-revalidate" %> <% Response.AddHeader "Pragma", "no-cache" %> <% Response.Expires = -1 %> Hope this helps, Joshua <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Technologies, Inc. Augusta, Georgia Web Design http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 707.988.0168 Private Enterprise Number: 28752 Portfolio: http://www.waetech.com/design/portfolio/ Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From lists at frankmarion.com Mon Mar 17 05:52:05 2008 From: lists at frankmarion.com (Frank) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:52:05 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Non-Js versions of JS enabled apps In-Reply-To: <002401c88505$d1f08270$7801a8c0@OLSONXPS> References: <11be7a710803120815t4c23144cy771e84617af83417@mail.gmail.com> <610592c90803120837v3526858fw760ab7816ec62bb4@mail.gmail.com> <47D7F919.8050509@track7.org> <11be7a710803120848q795be652ibc16101c063de1b2@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90803120854i6f1afe21m6ec9979d4a4ed998@mail.gmail.com> <001401c8845e$4c55c1e0$7801a8c0@OLSONXPS> <6073aef90803121500w4d3cf69en89e2fe8eaf9d8c6e@mail.gmail.com> <008801c884af$1c796480$7801a8c0@OLSONXPS> <47D8E5BF.5070402@gmail.com> <002401c88505$d1f08270$7801a8c0@OLSONXPS> Message-ID: At 08:29 AM 2008-03-13, you wrote: >To be clear, though, my chagrin is not about JS *enhanced* applications. >It's about applications whose core functionality has to do with JS This is what happens when people javascript in public https://danielchocolatestoronto.com/home.html Turn it off and see what happens to the process. I consider this indecent exposure. The problem is not only whether the user has javascript turned on or off, but also, what happens when you get the slightest browser incompatibility. /me smells money flying out the window. The web was not designed for fancy schmancy stuff. It was designed to share simple, structured text that any monkey could learn. The fact that it works at all is a miracle and what we've got today, really, is just high-tech hay-wire. Stick to your roots, like Momma learned ya, and you'll do just fine :) Frank Marion lists at frankmarion.com Keep the signal high. From kasimir.k.lists at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 06:48:54 2008 From: kasimir.k.lists at gmail.com (kasimir-k) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:48:54 +0100 Subject: [thelist] problems with proxy in Barcelona area In-Reply-To: <003501c88815$cfd654c0$2101a8c0@alef> References: <003501c88815$cfd654c0$2101a8c0@alef> Message-ID: <47DE5AA6.3070609@gmail.com> Joan Oliv? i Mallafr? scribeva in 03/17/2008 11:01 AM: > but in the Barcelona area, the most traffic is arriving through the > Telefonica de Espa?a proxy Ah, the infuriating "Timof?nica" proxy-cache... Thank $deity it's now gone . I'd a +1 to Joshua's suggestion to fix your HTTP response headers. If you need a reminder on the subject, one of the clearest tutorials I've found is > In past week, I've changed the index.html page to "principal.html" > and in index.html I've settled: > > > As far as I knew, this ought to be sufficient to by-pass the proxy, I'm afraid not... And bear in mind that not all proxies cache, and not all caches are in proxies (there's a whole load of them from the server to the browser). > but now, somebody comes to me saying that the contents she can see are > 3 weeks older! Could be her browser cache too. Or something else - I've found some rather curious pecularities in the Spanish internet infrastructure ;-) > Please, have you any advise in order to avoid this problem? Putting the right response headers should do the trick. > Thanks a lot from Barcelona Saludos desde Poblenou, .k From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Mon Mar 17 06:56:57 2008 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:56:57 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Installing IE7 and 6 In-Reply-To: <47D9554D.1030900@gmail.com> References: <7613e9690803130754u76bbdf85h9a872e16f10ed51e@mail.gmail.com> <47D94692.9060200@chelseacreekstudio.com> <47D9554D.1030900@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 to using a virtualisation solution Microsoft make available free VPC images with various IE versions and OSes (if you don't have the necessary licenses). Otherwise, signup for something like TechNet Direct (about $500/year) which gives you 10 licences for each client OS - amongst other things) and run each combination of OS+browser) in a separate virtual machine. Other vendors have similar developer licensing options. Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of kasimir-k Sent: Friday, 14 March 2008 3:25 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Installing IE7 and 6 > Julian Rickards wrote: >> my co-worker has IE7 installed and needs IE6 added to his system. Is this >> possible? David Laakso scribeva in 03/13/2008 04:21 PM: > Yes, see: > While it's possible, it's not advisable. These "standalone" installations often do not behave as regular IE does. E.g. IE6 might properly support png images or use IE7's scripting engine giving you an illusion that your site works ok in IE6, when in the real life it really doesn't. The best way to test different versions of IE is to use different machines - be them virtual or real. .k From barn104_1999 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 13:19:04 2008 From: barn104_1999 at yahoo.com (L L) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] select kt.rank in ASP Message-ID: <261290.59476.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently inherited an ASP (classic) site, and one of the search pages has code that includes "select kt.rank, e.SubTopic..." etc. I'm new to this concept, and I'm wondering if "e" is a temporary table, and if so, how/where it might be set up? I'm troubleshooting this page, and this is the current hold up. Thanks for any help you might be able to provide. Kind Regards, Louis --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From joel at bizba6.com Mon Mar 17 13:29:17 2008 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel D Canfield) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:29:17 -0800 Subject: [thelist] select kt.rank in ASP References: <261290.59476.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A6E2@ireland.spinhead.com> > I recently inherited an ASP (classic) site, and one of the > search pages has code that includes "select kt.rank, > e.SubTopic..." etc. I'm new to this concept, and I'm > wondering if "e" is a temporary table, and if so, how/where > it might be set up? I'm troubleshooting this page, and this > is the current hold up. > Thanks for any help you might be able to provide. > Kind Regards, > Louis howdy, Louis. both 'kt' and 'e' are probably aliases, nicknames for existing tables. somewhere in that query there's a 'from' clause where it says something like from mytable kt, yourtable e where blah blah blah if that ain't crystal clear, just shout joel From dwayne.conyers at hp.com Mon Mar 17 13:41:28 2008 From: dwayne.conyers at hp.com (Conyers, Dwayne) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:41:28 +0000 Subject: [thelist] select kt.rank in ASP In-Reply-To: <261290.59476.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <261290.59476.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03376C7829F7CF419956224D727F7AFD09D77DB6A3@G6W0267.americas.hpqcorp.net> L L [barn104_1999 at yahoo.com] ink wired: > I recently inherited an ASP (classic) site, and one of the > search pages has code that includes "select kt.rank, > e.SubTopic..." etc. I'm new to this concept, and I'm > wondering if "e" is a temporary table, and if so, > how/where it might be set up? Assuming this is a SQL statement, I would check the table names in your database. If these are aliases and not actual names, then the alias should be declared somewhere in order for the code to work. But this is just a guess based on what little we can see. -- The generation that took acid to escape reality is now taking antacid to deal with reality http://dwacon.blogspot.com From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Mon Mar 17 19:09:44 2008 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:09:44 +1100 Subject: [thelist] select kt.rank in ASP In-Reply-To: <261290.59476.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <261290.59476.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Check the rest of the SQL statement that you are looking at: SELECT a.myField1, a.myField2 FROM myTable AS a -- aliases myTable as "a" Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of L L Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 5:19 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] select kt.rank in ASP I recently inherited an ASP (classic) site, and one of the search pages has code that includes "select kt.rank, e.SubTopic..." etc. I'm new to this concept, and I'm wondering if "e" is a temporary table, and if so, how/where it might be set up? I'm troubleshooting this page, and this is the current hold up. Thanks for any help you might be able to provide. Kind Regards, Louis From caseyb at thecrookstons.com Mon Mar 17 22:41:51 2008 From: caseyb at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:41:51 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Stored Proc to XML to Text File? Message-ID: <000e01c888aa$05fddc00$6701a8c0@papabear> Hi, I'm having some trouble writing out the results of a query to a text file. The query in the stored proc uses FOR XML PATH, so that the result of the query is a properly formatted XML string. (The query is such that it would not be valid without the FOR XML PATH statement, so returning a non-xml dataset is not an option.) Now, the question is, in code, how do I execute the stored procedure and then write the results to a text file? If the results of the query were a normal dataset, I could (and have in other cases), called the stored proc, filled a dataset with the results, and then used DataSet.WriteXml(path to text file) to accomplish the same thing. But in this case, the result of the stored proc ALREADY IS XML, so using WriteXML is not an option. I am not sure how to go about this same process when the stored proc is already returning an XML string. Any advice would be great! Thanks! Casey P.S., oh yea, I am doing this with MS SQL 2005 and .NET 2.0 (vb.net, but I can translate from C#) Thanks! From anthony at baratta.com Mon Mar 17 23:00:36 2008 From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:00:36 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Stored Proc to XML to Text File? In-Reply-To: <000e01c888aa$05fddc00$6701a8c0@papabear> References: <000e01c888aa$05fddc00$6701a8c0@papabear> Message-ID: <47DF3E64.9020003@baratta.com> You need to use the SqlXmlCommand to get the data returned as XML. Something like this (code based on SQLXML 3.0): XmlDocument xd = new XmlDocument(); XmlReader xr; try { SqlXmlCommand cmd = new SqlXmlCommand(sConnectString); cmd.RootTag = ; cmd.CommandType = SqlXmlCommandType.Sql; cmd.CommandText = sProcName + ; xr = cmd.ExecuteXmlReader(); xd.Load(xr); } catch (Exception exp) { DBError(exp, "execSPForXML: SqlXmlCommand /" + "cmd.ExecuteXmlReader (" + sProcName + ")"); return xd; } return xd; Note you will need to prepend "Provider=SQLOLEDB;" to your connection string for the SQLXML 3.0 methods. This example returns an XmlDocument, that you can then write to the hard drive or do with what you will. Hope this gets you in the right direction. -- Anthony Baratta "A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away." --Barry Goldwater From caseyb at thecrookstons.com Mon Mar 17 23:14:04 2008 From: caseyb at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:14:04 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Stored Proc to XML to Text File? References: <000e01c888aa$05fddc00$6701a8c0@papabear> <47DF3E64.9020003@baratta.com> Message-ID: <001401c888ae$872c8cf0$6701a8c0@papabear> Thanks! I'll chew on this for a bit and ping you back if I have any trouble. Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Baratta" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Stored Proc to XML to Text File? > You need to use the SqlXmlCommand to get the data returned as XML. > > Something like this (code based on SQLXML 3.0): > > XmlDocument xd = new XmlDocument(); > XmlReader xr; > > try > { > SqlXmlCommand cmd = new SqlXmlCommand(sConnectString); > cmd.RootTag = ; > cmd.CommandType = SqlXmlCommandType.Sql; > cmd.CommandText = sProcName > + ; > > xr = cmd.ExecuteXmlReader(); > xd.Load(xr); > } > catch (Exception exp) > { > DBError(exp, "execSPForXML: SqlXmlCommand /" > + "cmd.ExecuteXmlReader (" + sProcName + ")"); > return xd; > } > return xd; > > Note you will need to prepend "Provider=SQLOLEDB;" to your connection > string for the SQLXML 3.0 methods. > > This example returns an XmlDocument, that you can then write to the hard > drive or do with what you will. > > Hope this gets you in the right direction. > > > -- > Anthony Baratta > > "A government that is big enough to > give you all you want is big enough > to take it all away." > --Barry Goldwater > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From caseyb at thecrookstons.com Mon Mar 17 23:26:21 2008 From: caseyb at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:26:21 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Stored Proc to XML to Text File? References: <000e01c888aa$05fddc00$6701a8c0@papabear> <47DF3E64.9020003@baratta.com> Message-ID: <001801c888b0$39bd0650$6701a8c0@papabear> Anthony, I am not familiar with SqlXmlCommand. I'm not getting VS to recognize it. (I'm in .NET 2.0.) From reading up on it, looks mighty handy! ?? Thanks, Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Baratta" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] Stored Proc to XML to Text File? > You need to use the SqlXmlCommand to get the data returned as XML. > > Something like this (code based on SQLXML 3.0): > > XmlDocument xd = new XmlDocument(); > XmlReader xr; > > try > { > SqlXmlCommand cmd = new SqlXmlCommand(sConnectString); > cmd.RootTag = ; > cmd.CommandType = SqlXmlCommandType.Sql; > cmd.CommandText = sProcName > + ; > > xr = cmd.ExecuteXmlReader(); > xd.Load(xr); > } > catch (Exception exp) > { > DBError(exp, "execSPForXML: SqlXmlCommand /" > + "cmd.ExecuteXmlReader (" + sProcName + ")"); > return xd; > } > return xd; > > Note you will need to prepend "Provider=SQLOLEDB;" to your connection > string for the SQLXML 3.0 methods. > > This example returns an XmlDocument, that you can then write to the hard > drive or do with what you will. > > Hope this gets you in the right direction. From caseyb at thecrookstons.com Tue Mar 18 01:01:38 2008 From: caseyb at thecrookstons.com (Casey Crookston) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:01:38 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Stored Proc to XML to Text File? References: <000e01c888aa$05fddc00$6701a8c0@papabear> Message-ID: <002301c888bd$934f66b0$6701a8c0@papabear> ----- Original Message ----- I'm having some trouble writing out the results of a query to a text file. The query in the stored proc uses FOR XML PATH, so that the result of the query is a properly formatted XML string. (The query is such that it would not be valid without the FOR XML PATH statement, so returning a non-xml dataset is not an option.) Now, the question is, in code, how do I execute the stored procedure and then write the results to a text file? If the results of the query were a normal dataset, I could (and have in other cases), called the stored proc, filled a dataset with the results, and then used DataSet.WriteXml(path to text file) to accomplish the same thing. But in this case, the result of the stored proc ALREADY IS XML, so using WriteXML is not an option. ----- Solution ----- In case anyone is interested: Dim XD As XmlDocument = New XmlDocument() Dim myCommand As New SqlCommand("Create_Category_File", dbConn) myCommand.CommandType = CommandType.StoredProcedure dbConn.Open() Dim XR As XmlReader = myCommand.ExecuteXmlReader XD.Load(XR) dbConn.Close() XD.Save(HttpContext.Current.Server.MapPath("../XMLFlatFiles/Categories.xml")) I'd be curious to know, however, if it's possible to do this with a dataAdapter so a specific connection does not need to be opened and closed. Thanks! Casey From lists at frankmarion.com Tue Mar 18 16:24:07 2008 From: lists at frankmarion.com (Frank) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:24:07 -0400 Subject: [thelist] CF: CFOOP resource recommendations? Message-ID: <4DFBCE4CE0@zeph.dnsalias.com> I've been coding CF since 4.1, and I think it's about time I go for another round of significant upgrades. OOP in CF still baffles me. Can someone recommend a good tutorial that goes from "You're an idiot, this is WHY you want an object oriented approach" to the actual how to step by step to the point where I can understand using getters and setters, and OOP frameworks like Mach II and Reactor and ColdSpring, etc? What I'm really asking for is a recommendation to a (preferably web-based) resource with a shallow learning curve that is still meaty enough to take me from zero to hero in a short while. Thanks. Frank Marion lists at frankmarion.com Keep the signal high. From mark.mandel at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 18:00:23 2008 From: mark.mandel at gmail.com (Mark Mandel) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:00:23 +1100 Subject: [thelist] CF: CFOOP resource recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DFBCE4CE0@zeph.dnsalias.com> References: <4DFBCE4CE0@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: <4153ee230803181600x3bec329fyc7ecd920a1c05256@mail.gmail.com> Frank - For a quick start you can go to: http://www.cfoop.org/ There are a lisitng of multiple blog posts / series here: http://carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2007/8/30/multiple_cf_oo_blog_series Make sure you check the comments on that one, there is a lot of stuff in there. I would also recommend signing up for the CFCDev mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/cfcdev?hl=en It's a great resource for OO programming generally, particularly in CF. Umnn.. I think that about covers me, tho' I am sure there is more out there. Mark On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Frank wrote: > > I've been coding CF since 4.1, and I think it's about time I go for > another round of significant upgrades. OOP in CF still baffles me. > Can someone recommend a good tutorial that goes from "You're an > idiot, this is WHY you want an object oriented approach" to the > actual how to step by step to the point where I can understand using > getters and setters, and OOP frameworks like Mach II and Reactor and > ColdSpring, etc? > > What I'm really asking for is a recommendation to a (preferably > web-based) resource with a shallow learning curve that is still meaty > enough to take me from zero to hero in a short while. > > Thanks. > > > > Frank Marion lists at frankmarion.com Keep the signal high. > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- E: mark.mandel at gmail.com W: www.compoundtheory.com From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Mar 18 20:50:26 2008 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:50:26 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Installing IE7 and 6 In-Reply-To: References: <7613e9690803130754u76bbdf85h9a872e16f10ed51e@mail.gmail.com> <47D94692.9060200@chelseacreekstudio.com> <47D9554D.1030900@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just an update to this: You can get pre-activated VPCs of WindowsXP or Windows Vista and IE 6, IE 7 and IE 8 beta here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=21eabb90-958f-4b64-b5f1-73d0a413c8ef&displaylang=en&tm Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Monday, 17 March 2008 10:57 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Installing IE7 and 6 +1 to using a virtualisation solution Microsoft make available free VPC images with various IE versions and OSes (if you don't have the necessary licenses). Otherwise, signup for something like TechNet Direct (about $500/year) which gives you 10 licences for each client OS - amongst other things) and run each combination of OS+browser) in a separate virtual machine. Other vendors have similar developer licensing options. Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of kasimir-k Sent: Friday, 14 March 2008 3:25 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Installing IE7 and 6 > Julian Rickards wrote: >> my co-worker has IE7 installed and needs IE6 added to his system. Is this >> possible? David Laakso scribeva in 03/13/2008 04:21 PM: > Yes, see: > While it's possible, it's not advisable. These "standalone" installations often do not behave as regular IE does. E.g. IE6 might properly support png images or use IE7's scripting engine giving you an illusion that your site works ok in IE6, when in the real life it really doesn't. The best way to test different versions of IE is to use different machines - be them virtual or real. .k -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From lists at frankmarion.com Tue Mar 18 20:53:51 2008 From: lists at frankmarion.com (Frank) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:53:51 -0400 Subject: [thelist] CF: CFOOP resource recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4153ee230803181600x3bec329fyc7ecd920a1c05256@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4DFBCE4CE0@zeph.dnsalias.com> <4153ee230803181600x3bec329fyc7ecd920a1c05256@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <144D9FC4B1D@zeph.dnsalias.com> At 07:00 PM 2008-03-18, you wrote: >Umnn.. I think that about covers me, tho' I am sure there is more out there. That's great. Thanks very much. Frank Marion lists at frankmarion.com Keep the signal high. From mark.mandel at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 23:22:36 2008 From: mark.mandel at gmail.com (Mark Mandel) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:22:36 +1100 Subject: [thelist] CF: CFOOP resource recommendations? In-Reply-To: <144D9FC4B1D@zeph.dnsalias.com> References: <4DFBCE4CE0@zeph.dnsalias.com> <4153ee230803181600x3bec329fyc7ecd920a1c05256@mail.gmail.com> <144D9FC4B1D@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: <4153ee230803182122x2a4ce10fx7c8674e28665e315@mail.gmail.com> Ah found it! http://www.remotesynthesis.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/2/27/Mach-II-or-ColdSpring-Understanding-the-Differences-Between-ColdFusion-Frameworks Probably the best explanation of the differences between CF frameworks. Okay, NOW I'm done (I think) Mark On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Frank wrote: > At 07:00 PM 2008-03-18, you wrote: > >Umnn.. I think that about covers me, tho' I am sure there is more out there. > > That's great. Thanks very much. > > > > > > Frank Marion lists at frankmarion.com Keep the signal high. > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- E: mark.mandel at gmail.com W: www.compoundtheory.com From lists at frankmarion.com Wed Mar 19 10:57:20 2008 From: lists at frankmarion.com (Frank) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:57:20 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? Message-ID: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> A strange question, open to interpretation I'm sure, but I'm looking to nail a concept down. What exactly is the difference between a CMS and a blog? Seems to me that the only real difference is that of style. A blog lists short blurbs that lead to the full article or points to another. But a CMS list view does the same thing. A blog has categories and calendar based archival organisation--but so does a CMS. A blog uses RSS, but so does a CMS. A blog allows for user comments, but so can a CMS. So why does one propose a difference between "blog" and "CMS"? Frank Marion lists at frankmarion.com Keep the signal high. From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 11:06:31 2008 From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:06:31 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: <4eedb92a0803190906h1600d49do90992947f97be305@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Frank wrote: > What exactly is the difference between a CMS and a blog? > > Seems to me that the only real difference is that of style. Wow. Possibly the most misguided statement I've seen in quite a long time. :-) A blog is an application. A CMS, like a database, provides a *back end repository service* for an application. A real CMS does *none* of the things you listed; the application that /uses/ it /may/ do them. HTH! -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Wed Mar 19 11:11:11 2008 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:11:11 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: <47E13B1F.7050506@craftedsolutions.com> Frank wrote: > > A strange question, open to interpretation I'm sure, but I'm looking > to nail a concept down. What exactly is the difference between a CMS > and a blog? > > For me, a CMS is a higher-level tool that does what its name implies; it manages content. A blog also manages content, but in a more style specific manner. --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- From joshua at waetech.com Wed Mar 19 11:07:18 2008 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:07:18 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: <007d01c889db$4ebb4cc0$7801a8c0@OLSONXPS> > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:57 AM > > > So why does one propose a difference between "blog" and "CMS"? Try googling "blog vs cms". Lots of good information there. Joshua <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Technologies, Inc. Augusta, Georgia Web Design http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 707.988.0168 Private Enterprise Number: 28752 Portfolio: http://www.waetech.com/design/portfolio/ Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From eccentric.one at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 11:16:21 2008 From: eccentric.one at gmail.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:16:21 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <4eedb92a0803190906h1600d49do90992947f97be305@mail.gmail.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> <4eedb92a0803190906h1600d49do90992947f97be305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm going to have to disagree. The CMS isn't just the database. It's the application as a whole, IMHO. As for Franks question, the line between blog and CMS is continually shifting as Wordpress, Movable Type, et. al. continue to improve their offerings. Currently, the main difference that I see between blog and CMS (and this is even becoming a moot point) is that CMS applications are designed for multiple users to be able to manage content (including revisions and approval processes) and blogs were originally built for only one user to keep a journal. Again, this is a 'line in the sand' sort of thing. As the tide of innovation comes and goes the line keeps getting erased and redrawn. -jeremy On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Hassan Schroeder < hassan.schroeder at gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Frank wrote: > > > What exactly is the difference between a CMS and a blog? > > > > Seems to me that the only real difference is that of style. > > Wow. Possibly the most misguided statement I've seen in quite > a long time. :-) > > A blog is an application. A CMS, like a database, provides a > *back end repository service* for an application. > > A real CMS does *none* of the things you listed; the application > that /uses/ it /may/ do them. > > HTH! > -- > Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From mydarb at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 11:32:00 2008 From: mydarb at gmail.com (Brady Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:32:00 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: On Mar 19, 2008, at 857AM, Frank wrote: > So why does one propose a difference between "blog" and "CMS"? In my experience, a CMS provides more functionality than a blog. An off-the-shelf blog software, like WordPress, allows you to write and publish content. That's pretty much it. (Of course there are exceptions and plugins that make this statement wrong, but in general, that's the idea.) A CMS, on the other hand, provides user management, content management, forums, file downloads and tracking, navigation menu creation and management - basically it allows for more creativity and control than a blog platform. To get a better hold on it, I'd suggest playing around with wordpress, then play with joomla or drupal... or any other existing CMS offerings. Spend some time at http://www.opensourcecms.com/ where you can play with a wide range of CMS and blogging platforms without having to install them yourself. HTH, Brady From joel at bizba6.com Wed Mar 19 11:04:30 2008 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel D Canfield) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:04:30 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A712@ireland.spinhead.com> > So why does one propose a difference between "blog" and "CMS"? a blog is the result, what you end up with; a CMS is a tool, one of the many ways to create a blog. I write multiple weblogs, but don't use a CMS. I just add posts manually (for now until I finish my own content management system.) joel From randalrust at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 11:59:21 2008 From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:59:21 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Frank wrote: > What exactly is the difference between a CMS and a blog? I'd like to put a different spin on what others have said. A CMS is typically a piece of software. A blog is a type of website that features content in the form of *posts* that may or may not allow visitors to comment. A CMS may very easily contain a blogging module, a news module and an articles module. The market niche for Wordpress, Movable Type, etc. are in fact, content management systems. They just focus on features that you typically find on a blog site. -- Randal Rust R.Squared Communications www.r2communications.com From randalrust at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 11:59:21 2008 From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:59:21 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Frank wrote: > What exactly is the difference between a CMS and a blog? I'd like to put a different spin on what others have said. A CMS is typically a piece of software. A blog is a type of website that features content in the form of *posts* that may or may not allow visitors to comment. A CMS may very easily contain a blogging module, a news module and an articles module. The market niche for Wordpress, Movable Type, etc. are in fact, content management systems. They just focus on features that you typically find on a blog site. -- Randal Rust R.Squared Communications www.r2communications.com From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 12:20:41 2008 From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:20:41 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> <4eedb92a0803190906h1600d49do90992947f97be305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4eedb92a0803191020i7a22ce8n2d74823b7ee2b892@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Jeremy Weiss wrote: > I'm going to have to disagree. The CMS isn't just the database. It's the > application as a whole, IMHO. Again, a real "Content Management System" manages content. It in *no way* dictates what's done with that content as far as output. It may (and usually will) offer role-based access, routing and review mechanisms, revision control, etc. I suspect your perspective would be different if you had experience with something like Documentum or Interwoven Teamsite. The confusion arises from people labeling anything with a text input field a "CMS". You're entitled to your opinion of Wordpress, etc., but calling a chihuahua a bear doesn't make it so :-) FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com From randalrust at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 12:32:16 2008 From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:32:16 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <4eedb92a0803191020i7a22ce8n2d74823b7ee2b892@mail.gmail.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> <4eedb92a0803190906h1600d49do90992947f97be305@mail.gmail.com> <4eedb92a0803191020i7a22ce8n2d74823b7ee2b892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: > The confusion arises from people labeling anything with a text input > field a "CMS". You're entitled to your opinion of Wordpress, etc., but > calling a chihuahua a bear doesn't make it so :-) I certainly don't want to start any holy war here, but I just had nearly this same exact conversation with a client the other day. I *do* think that anything that allows you to enter content is, on some level, a CMS. However, there is a massive difference between Wordpress, Joomla and and enterprise-level CMS. Along those lines, there are brown bears, black bears and panda bears:) -- Randal Rust R.Squared Communications www.r2communications.com From cmason at managersforum.com Wed Mar 19 12:36:00 2008 From: cmason at managersforum.com (Christie Mason) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:36:00 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's interesting that some of the CMS examples are essentially blogs with some features added. Structurally if you take a blog and add categories for "News" "Events" etc to group "blog" entries then you have a low level CMS. I, simplistically, define an app as a CMS when I see robust permissions for adding/editing/approving/versioning content. What I struggle to define is the difference between a portal and a CMS. Christie Mason From Ron.Luther at hp.com Wed Mar 19 13:04:19 2008 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:04:19 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> <4eedb92a0803190906h1600d49do90992947f97be305@mail.gmail.com> <4eedb92a0803191020i7a22ce8n2d74823b7ee2b892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Randal Rust said: >>I *do* think that anything that allows you to enter content is, >>on some level, a CMS. However, there is a massive difference >>between Wordpress, Joomla and and enterprise-level CMS. Hi Randal, I pretty much agree. The only thing I really wanted to add on was that I'm pretty sure that the more high-powered or 'enterprise' level CMS solutions allow you to manage content other than simple text. I generally think of the issues involved with collaborating on, revising, documenting workflow approval dates, and publication of architectural drawings as an application for a CMS ... rather than a blog. But I suppose that managing recorded lecture audiofiles, newspaper photo archives, and collections of submitted resumes (in differing file formats as well as, conceivably, differing languages and character sets) might also be applications where I might recommend the consideration of a CMS ... but probably not a blog. HTH, RonL. >>Along those lines, there are brown bears, black bears and panda bears:) ... and spectacled bears, Kodiak bears, and that most dreaded of creatures; the bugbear! From list at menticulture.com Wed Mar 19 15:59:26 2008 From: list at menticulture.com (Joe Flintham) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:59:26 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E17EAE.2030307@menticulture.com> Christie Mason wrote: > What I struggle to define is the difference between a portal and a CMS. > > Might it help to consider that a blog is an 'instance' of a CMS? A blog has a very rigidly defined template for any new items of 'content' which might be added, such as title, date, author, content, etc. And a CMS can be used to manage 'blog'-type content. However, the CMS can be used to manage a great many other kinds of content that don't necessarily map to a 'blog'. An application which manages geo-data and rich media isn't a blog, but can be instantiated through the appropriate use of a CMS. Hence a 'portal' too is an instance of a CMS (unless you mean 'portal' in the old sense of 'Yahoo and MSN are portals' - that would stretch the meaning of the term 'CMS' so far it becomes less useful). j From cmason at managersforum.com Wed Mar 19 20:54:26 2008 From: cmason at managersforum.com (Christie Mason) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:54:26 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <47E17EAE.2030307@menticulture.com> Message-ID: From: Joe Flintham >Might it help to consider that a blog is an 'instance' of a CMS? ... Hence a 'portal' too is an instance of a CMS (unless you mean 'portal' in the old sense of 'Yahoo and MSN are portals' - that would stretch the meaning of the term 'CMS' so far it becomes less useful). ......... I look it as a Venn type diagram with overlap from (largest to smallest) Portal -> CMS -> Blog Christie Mason From adrinux at perlucida.com Thu Mar 20 05:36:44 2008 From: adrinux at perlucida.com (Adrian Simmons) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:36:44 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <4eedb92a0803191020i7a22ce8n2d74823b7ee2b892@mail.gmail.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> <4eedb92a0803190906h1600d49do90992947f97be305@mail.gmail.com> <4eedb92a0803191020i7a22ce8n2d74823b7ee2b892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E23E3C.6080300@perlucida.com> Hassan Schroeder wrote: > The confusion arises from people labeling anything with a text input > field a "CMS". You're entitled to your opinion of Wordpress, etc., but > calling a chihuahua a bear doesn't make it so :-) But if it's not a bear what is it? Well, ok the chihuahua is a Dog :) But what are Wordpress, Drupal, [insert software of your choice here] if not CMS? I totally understand where your snobbish view of CMS comes from, but it's not very useful unless you can come up with an alternative nomenclature. What should people be using instead of 'CMS'? WSWSLCMABNAPC: Web Software With Some Limited Content Management Ability But Not A Proper CMS? Not gonna catch on is it :P -- Adrian Simmons (aka adrinux) e-mail From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 09:05:55 2008 From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:05:55 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <47E23E3C.6080300@perlucida.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> <4eedb92a0803190906h1600d49do90992947f97be305@mail.gmail.com> <4eedb92a0803191020i7a22ce8n2d74823b7ee2b892@mail.gmail.com> <47E23E3C.6080300@perlucida.com> Message-ID: <4eedb92a0803200705l72871df7m74e10f0616960839@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Adrian Simmons wrote: > But what are Wordpress, Drupal, [insert software of your choice here] if not > CMS? Uh, "insert software of your choice"?? Are you saying *any* software is a CMS? We are all Elvis, and Elvis is in all of us? Interesting worldview. But I'm sure the doctor knows what she's prescribing. Anyway. The Wordpress web site, under 'Features', mentions nothing but blogging. OTOH, Drupal's site /refers/ to it as a CMS, but I've never used it, so can't comment on that claim. >I totally understand where your snobbish view of CMS comes from, but So looking for precision in the use of language is "snobbish"? No worries. BTW, would you mind going out in the yard and feeding the chihuahua, or bear, or whatever it is? Thanks. > it's not very useful unless you can come up with an alternative nomenclature. Sorry, not my job. :-) -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com From eccentric.one at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 11:07:34 2008 From: eccentric.one at gmail.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:07:34 -0500 Subject: [thelist] pre-project planning Message-ID: I'm about embark on a project that's going to require me to cycle through 5 to 10 text files, massage the data a bit, and then import them into a database. The file sizes will vary with 15 MB being the highest we 'should' encounter. This will be the first such project I've done. I'll be using PHP 5 and MySQL 5. I already know that I'm going to need to check the size limits for fopen/fread. I'm wondering are there are any other potential gotcha's that I need to watch for? TIA, jeremy From mydarb at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 11:34:54 2008 From: mydarb at gmail.com (Brady Mitchell) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:34:54 -0700 Subject: [thelist] pre-project planning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 20, 2008, at 907AM, Jeremy Weiss wrote: > I'm about embark on a project that's going to require me to cycle > through 5 > to 10 text files, massage the data a bit, and then import them into a > database. The file sizes will vary with 15 MB being the highest we > 'should' > encounter. This will be the first such project I've done. I'll be > using PHP > 5 and MySQL 5. > > I already know that I'm going to need to check the size limits for > fopen/fread. I'm wondering are there are any other potential > gotcha's that I > need to watch for? Be sure to check and increase the following directives in php.ini as needed: max_execution_time = 30 ; Maximum execution time of each script, in seconds max_input_time = 60 ; Maximum amount of time each script may spend parsing request data memory_limit = 32M ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume (8MB) Be sure to check out the following functions, depending on how your text files are formatted, one of them may be more appropriate / easier to use than fopen/fread: http://php.net/file http://php.net/file_get_contents http://php.net/fgetcsv HTH, Brady From rudy at r937.com Thu Mar 20 12:01:41 2008 From: rudy at r937.com (r937) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:01:41 -0400 Subject: [thelist] pre-project planning Message-ID: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> > I'm about embark on a project that's going to require me > to cycle through 5 to 10 text files, massage the data a bit, > and then import them into a database. that's it? the project involves just loading data into a mysql database? after massaging your data, create a CSV use the LOAD DATA INFILE command vwalah! take the rest of the week off ;o) rudy http://r937.com/ From eccentric.one at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 12:22:26 2008 From: eccentric.one at gmail.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:22:26 -0500 Subject: [thelist] pre-project planning In-Reply-To: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> Message-ID: Okay Mr. Smartie, does it have to be csv? The files are already tab delimited, can your little magic commend deal with those? :) -jeremy On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:01 PM, r937 wrote: > > I'm about embark on a project that's going to require me > > to cycle through 5 to 10 text files, massage the data a bit, > > and then import them into a database. > > that's it? the project involves just loading data into a mysql database? > > after massaging your data, create a CSV > > use the LOAD DATA INFILE command > > vwalah! > > take the rest of the week off > > ;o) > > > rudy > http://r937.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 12:27:50 2008 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:27:50 -0400 Subject: [thelist] pre-project planning In-Reply-To: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> Message-ID: On 3/20/08, r937 wrote: > > I'm about embark on a project that's going to require me > > to cycle through 5 to 10 text files, massage the data a bit, > > and then import them into a database. > > that's it? the project involves just loading data into a mysql database? > > after massaging your data, create a CSV > > use the LOAD DATA INFILE command > > vwalah! > > take the rest of the week off Pssha! Typical database guy. I'm currently on an 18 month ETL project, and "just load this data" can hide a whole crapload of complexities. For example, today, we found out that about 75% of records being sent to use ended up with dollar amounts off by a factor of 10. We looked into it, and it is due to data being sent in IBM number format for a signed integer (the dollar amount is a payment, so why it is a signed integer is beyond me), and conversion to character results in a value like "1805{", which is intended to mean +$180.50. Our ETL tool attempts to convert this to an integer, gets only to the 5 (so we have "1805") then divides by 100 and ends up with +$18.50. There is stuff like this on a daily basis. Granted, we are working with much higher volumes, but the point is that you ought to be asking a lot of questions about the format/quality of the data, because you can end up blowing your time and cost estimate out of the water if you don't. -- Matt Warden Cincinnati, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 12:46:12 2008 From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:46:12 -0700 Subject: [thelist] pre-project planning In-Reply-To: References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> Message-ID: <4eedb92a0803201046o4be5b26dmc264e1581893d2ee@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Jeremy Weiss wrote: > Okay Mr. Smartie, does it have to be csv? The files are already tab > delimited, can your little magic commend deal with those? In case rudy's otherwise busy, yes, LOAD DATA INFILE has options for the applicable delimiters... See the Fine Manual for details :-) -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com From EvoltList at no-pun.com Thu Mar 20 13:30:45 2008 From: EvoltList at no-pun.com (webdev) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:30:45 -0400 Subject: [thelist] IE default.asp page reload issue Message-ID: <002001c88ab8$8393dba0$bad62141@toshiba> Greetings, all. I have a form (s) on default.asp page that self posts, via action. The action file is generated dynamically by reference to the currently loaded page. The form is used to expand menus on demand., when the "+" is clicked. PROBLEM: For the default.asp page only (and only in IE), the whole page reloads. It does not reload the page in IE when on any other page. And, never does this in FireFox. Best to just try: http://d807865.u182.fluidhosting.com/default.asp Must be the IE home page behavior, but wondering if there is a development fix. Thanks. T y m e The Internet Explorer Developer Toolbar is a handy troubleshooting tool, as well as a great device for deconstructing a favorite Web site. Read a good overview of it, and how you can use it to your advantage, here: http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/webmaster/article.php/3733341 . Download it here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038&displaylang=en From joshua at waetech.com Thu Mar 20 13:41:05 2008 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:41:05 -0400 Subject: [thelist] IE default.asp page reload issue In-Reply-To: <002001c88ab8$8393dba0$bad62141@toshiba> References: <002001c88ab8$8393dba0$bad62141@toshiba> Message-ID: <00ba01c88ab9$f4c122a0$7801a8c0@OLSONXPS> > -----Original Message----- > From: webdev > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:31 PM > > Greetings, all. Hello. > PROBLEM: > For the default.asp page only (and only in IE), the whole > page reloads. It does not reload the page in IE when on > any other page. And, never does this in FireFox. > > Best to just try: http://d807865.u182.fluidhosting.com/default.asp Tyme, Looking at the code, I don't see any reason why it WOULDN'T reload the page. I see a complete refresh in both IE and FF. For example, change the URL to http://d807865.u182.fluidhosting.com/ in FF, then click a +. You'll see that it is indeed going to a new page (called default.asp). I think it just happens so smoothly you may not be noticing it. Joshua <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Technologies, Inc. Augusta, Georgia Web Design http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 707.988.0168 Private Enterprise Number: 28752 Portfolio: http://www.waetech.com/design/portfolio/ Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From taurus_james at yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 13:47:10 2008 From: taurus_james at yahoo.com (Taurus James) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] IE default.asp page reload issue In-Reply-To: <002001c88ab8$8393dba0$bad62141@toshiba> Message-ID: <7139.5374.qm@web38007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "I have a form (s) on default.asp page that self posts, via action." This is the reason why the default page reloads. You will have to use a method other than form post to expand the menus without refreshing the page. It may "look" like FF is not refreshing, but it actually is. -- Taurus M. James http://taurusjames.com/ http://taurusbeats.com/ http://tmjcss.com/ --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From Seshadri.Varadhan at in.efunds.com Thu Mar 20 14:26:04 2008 From: Seshadri.Varadhan at in.efunds.com (Seshadri.Varadhan at in.efunds.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:56:04 +0530 Subject: [thelist] (no subject) Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 03/21/2008 and will not return until 03/24/2008. This message is intended solely for the named recipients and may contain confidential and proprietary business information for EFD | eFunds Corporation, or material covered by the attorney-client privilege or attorney work product privilege. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the sender immediately. You may not then disclose the contents to any other person; use this message or its contents for any other purpose; or further copy its contents. Thank You From joel at bizba6.com Thu Mar 20 14:32:48 2008 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel D Canfield) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:32:48 -0800 Subject: [thelist] PayPal shipping calcs Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A727@ireland.spinhead.com> I cannot figure out PayPal's shipping tools. I'm selling my book from my website using PayPal. For a single book, shipping in the continental US will be $3, the rest of the world will be $6. Multiple copies shipped to the same address won't be charged full boat for each book, of course. PayPal's shipping options let you pick ranges of items, weights, whatever, but the last one always ends with 'and up' So, if my last fixed price is $10 for shipping, say 25 books (I made that up) the next range would be a fixed price to ship 26 or more books. Well, not that I have this problem yet, but should someone order 100 copies, how can I ship 100 for the same price as 26? Google, PayPal's help, and kicking the underside of my desk haven't brought up a simple solution. Where have I gone wrong? joel From rudy at r937.com Thu Mar 20 14:42:45 2008 From: rudy at r937.com (r937) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:42:45 -0400 Subject: [thelist] pre-project planning Message-ID: <007f01c88ac2$937891a0$9a7ba8c0@curly> > Pssha! Typical database guy. why, thank you ;o) > There is stuff like this on a daily basis. Granted, we are > working with much higher volumes, but the point is that > ~you~ ought to be asking a lot of questions about > the format/quality of the data, because > ~you~ can end up blowing > ~your~ time and cost estimate out of the water if > ~you~ don't. the "you" in that paragraph is not directed at me personally, is it? ;o) From evolt at markgroen.com Thu Mar 20 14:57:28 2008 From: evolt at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:57:28 -0700 Subject: [thelist] pre-project planning In-Reply-To: References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> Message-ID: <200803201257.28911.evolt@markgroen.com> grr, hope this email software works this time ;-) On Thursday 20 March 2008 10:27:50 we wrote: > On 3/20/08, r937 wrote: > > > I'm about embark on a project that's going to require me > > ?> to cycle through 5 to 10 text files, massage the data a bit, > > ?> and then import them into a database. > > > > ?that's it? ?the project involves just loading data into a mysql > > database? exactly, need more info... > > ?use the LOAD DATA INFILE command > > ?vwalah! > > ?take the rest of the week off lol, rest of the syntax (tabs are ok) here for MySQL: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/load-data.html > ........ the point is that you ought to be asking > a lot of questions about the format/quality of the data, because you > can end up blowing your time Don't think this can be stressed too much. There are GUI tools to assist in ensuring referential integrity etc. before you execute LOAD DATA INFILE: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/gui-tools/5.0.html -- cheers, ????????Mark -- From lists at frankmarion.com Thu Mar 20 23:25:40 2008 From: lists at frankmarion.com (Frank) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:25:40 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Overwhelm: Need a course correction. Message-ID: Oh man, I took a three year break from coding, and now that I get back to it I'm feeling overwhelmed. The standards that one has to meet is just incredible. Now I'm learning OOP in CF, I have to pick up whole new levels of security at the server level, app level, javascript level, internationalisation, frameworks, accessibility and foreign government standards, upgrades to CSS (which thankfully aren't out yet), AJAX, dozens of libraries to choose from if I don't learn it from scratch (and if I don't know it from scratch, am I really a good developer?), web services, XML/XSS, JSON, Alphabet soup of really intimidating sounding technologies, dealing with a dozen APIs, whole new editing environments (when I started, there were two "environments" vii and BBEdit). I love CFEclipse, and I'm still trying to ride that whole-herd-in-one horse, FLEX, and about 17.2 gazillion other really important sounding things. Coldfusion is three times the animal that I knew. Heck, even the little MySql that could has grown into a beast to tangle with. Sweet Mary! Where does one start? Don't get me wrong. On one hand, it's totally exciting, and interesting, on the other hand, it's like trying to drink from a fire hose. If you were to prioritise the basic skills that a Coldfusion coder needs to master, or at least get a handle on, in order of importance to make it back to the level that one would call "high/upper echelon coder" what would you study in what order (with the understanding that it's always a bit of a mix).? If you were to design a "General Web Development Curriculum for the Aspiring Professional" what would it be? If you were to choose the top 10 important technologies to be a respectable high end developer, and rank the technologies in order of importance, what would they be? Frank Marion lists at frankmarion.com Keep the signal high. From martin at easyweb.co.uk Fri Mar 21 04:16:21 2008 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:16:21 +0000 Subject: [thelist] pre-project planning In-Reply-To: References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> Message-ID: On 20 Mar 2008, at 17:27, Matt Warden wrote: > Pssha! Typical database guy. hehe > I'm currently on an 18 month ETL project, and "just load this data" > can hide a whole crapload of complexities. Yep. Which is why we pay *huge* daily rates for Informatica and AbInitio contractors. You get the choice - absurdly hard doing it manually, or absurdly expensive for people with the ETL tool experience. And you don't even want to *know* about the difficulty we have finding good Websphere people[1]. Or Control-M (which I'm still convinced is not much more than a pretty front end to cron :-) ) Cheers Martin [1] and remember who my employer is. Even *we* go to the sodding contract market. I'm tellin' ya - learn Websphere, be able to communicate at a near-human level and you're gravy -- > Spammers: Send me email -> yumyum at easyweb.co.uk to train my filter > http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/ From martin at easyweb.co.uk Fri Mar 21 04:52:43 2008 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:52:43 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: <4eedb92a0803191020i7a22ce8n2d74823b7ee2b892@mail.gmail.com> References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> <4eedb92a0803190906h1600d49do90992947f97be305@mail.gmail.com> <4eedb92a0803191020i7a22ce8n2d74823b7ee2b892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89A5440D-0034-442F-959E-0092F87C38BB@easyweb.co.uk> On 19 Mar 2008, at 17:20, Hassan Schroeder wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Jeremy Weiss > wrote: >> I'm going to have to disagree. The CMS isn't just the database. >> It's the >> application as a whole, IMHO. > > Again, a real "Content Management System" manages content. It in > *no way* dictates what's done with that content as far as output. It > may (and usually will) offer role-based access, routing and review > mechanisms, revision control, etc. To slightly soften this: a real CMS *need* not dictate what's done with the output, which may or may not be web-targeted. It also *need* not dictate what happens at the backend, which could be a db, a filesystem, a version control system such as ClearCase What it will nearly *always* do is provide the framework and/or services for definition and operation of business rules about how (and by whom) content will be created, updated and accessed - they take care of the low-level, relatively hard stuff (how many secure authentication systems do you want to write in a lifetime?), and let you concentrate on defining the higher level, value adding stuff. Put together a set of business rules; link in a backend and frontend, and you've got an application. This might be a website; it might be a Knowledge Management System; it might be product regulatory documentation; it might be advertising copy; it might be raw and edited video. A CMS can support many different categories of application, although many CMSs do have particular strengths in one area, or in one set of business rules. A blog is simply one possible application - a specific set of business rules about how content is updated and displayed. Blogging software struggles to do much more than this. Drupal (to pick an example) has particular strength in display and business rules that support blogs, but it can do a lot more. > I suspect your perspective would be different if you had experience > with something like Documentum or Interwoven Teamsite. Yep, and Yep. And Vignette. And a bunch of others, mostly now defunct, some of which cost $100k and up, and are now surpassed by open source offerings. Oh and portals? The key thing about a portal is that it's a meta- application; it focuses on bringing together content from *other* applications. Cheers Martin -- > Spammers: Send me email -> yumyum at easyweb.co.uk to train my filter > http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/ From joel at bizba6.com Fri Mar 21 08:57:32 2008 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel D Canfield) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:57:32 -0800 Subject: [thelist] learn Websphere (was RE: pre-project planning) References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A731@ireland.spinhead.com> > And you don't even want to *know* about the difficulty we > have finding > good Websphere people[1]. Or Control-M (which I'm still convinced is > not much more than a pretty front end to cron :-) ) > > Cheers > Martin > [1] and remember who my employer is. Even *we* go to the sodding > contract market. I'm tellin' ya - learn Websphere, be able to > communicate at a near-human level and you're gravy I'll second that. Maybe third it, even. Last full time job I had a few years ago, we had a *team* assigned to a single Websphere install, and in three years I never saw anything like stability or consistency. It was frightening and a little sad. joel From martin at easyweb.co.uk Fri Mar 21 10:42:32 2008 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:42:32 +0000 Subject: [thelist] learn Websphere (was RE: pre-project planning) In-Reply-To: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A731@ireland.spinhead.com> References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A731@ireland.spinhead.com> Message-ID: <9EC9F031-45D9-4B13-A880-F63F7BA58112@easyweb.co.uk> On 21 Mar 2008, at 13:57, Joel D Canfield wrote: >> And you don't even want to *know* about the difficulty we >> have finding >> good Websphere people[1]. Or Control-M (which I'm still convinced is >> not much more than a pretty front end to cron :-) ) >> >> Cheers >> Martin >> [1] and remember who my employer is. Even *we* go to the sodding >> contract market. I'm tellin' ya - learn Websphere, be able to >> communicate at a near-human level and you're gravy > > I'll second that. Maybe third it, even. Last full time job I had a few > years ago, we had a *team* assigned to a single Websphere install, and > in three years I never saw anything like stability or consistency. It > was frightening and a little sad. *shrug* my previous project built 8 environments of one sort or another, each consisting of multiple boxes all running apps on WAS, and had a total of 2 WebSphere guys on the team. And one on the app support team that took it over. Now *finding* half-way capable people who also fulfilled the basic criteria for human beings was a right pain, but the apps were stable enough. Cheers Martin -- > Spammers: Send me email -> yumyum at easyweb.co.uk to train my filter > http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/ From hughesj at firemtn.com Fri Mar 21 11:49:33 2008 From: hughesj at firemtn.com (Jon Hughes) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:49:33 -0700 Subject: [thelist] WebKit/Safari differences between PC and Mac? Message-ID: Morning List, I'm curious (and I didn't find anything conclusive on Google) as to the differences between WebKit/Safari on PC vs Mac. I am wondering if it's safe at this point to use the PC version for safari testing, or if I still have to use the mac version (and in that case, I must use the PC version as well) Other than the OS-Specific things (Font smoothing) - are there any differences in the rendering of content from PC to Mac on Safari? From EvoltList at no-pun.com Fri Mar 21 12:14:31 2008 From: EvoltList at no-pun.com (webdev) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:14:31 -0400 Subject: [thelist] IE default.asp page "reload" References: Message-ID: <009501c88b77$07521c90$bad62141@toshiba> Yeah, I did know that the page actually is reloading -- just didn't know how to describe the visual difference between the FF and IE behavior. (It seems that FF does not fully reload.) By original design, a form was not used to expand. All divs/images were preloaded. But, the client wanted larger thumbnails and then more images and flash on the pages, so I worried that the page load time would suck, so I made them "on demand" expands. I think that the graphical expanding menus are a nice feature, but don't see a better way to optimize for page load. When site goes live, I can let the pages cache for 1 day. Other than that, I'm open to performance ideas. T From dwayne.conyers at hp.com Fri Mar 21 13:20:38 2008 From: dwayne.conyers at hp.com (Conyers, Dwayne) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:20:38 +0000 Subject: [thelist] learn Websphere (was RE: pre-project planning) In-Reply-To: <9EC9F031-45D9-4B13-A880-F63F7BA58112@easyweb.co.uk> References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A731@ireland.spinhead.com> <9EC9F031-45D9-4B13-A880-F63F7BA58112@easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <03376C7829F7CF419956224D727F7AFD09D7CF9432@G6W0267.americas.hpqcorp.net> I don't know if that is a crack against Web Sphere or poor project Mgmt... but I used the tool for a Smalltalk project that turned out quite nicely. -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://dwacon.blogspot.com From joel at bizba6.com Fri Mar 21 14:07:30 2008 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel D Canfield) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:07:30 -0800 Subject: [thelist] learn Websphere (was RE: pre-project planning) References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly><72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A731@ireland.spinhead.com><9EC9F031-45D9-4B13-A880-F63F7BA58112@easyweb.co.uk> <03376C7829F7CF419956224D727F7AFD09D7CF9432@G6W0267.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A738@ireland.spinhead.com> > I don't know if that is a crack against Web Sphere or poor > project Mgmt... but I used the tool for a Smalltalk project > that turned out quite nicely. I know virtually nothing about the tool; really a comment on the folks who were (mis)managing it. joel From martin at easyweb.co.uk Fri Mar 21 14:52:10 2008 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:52:10 +0000 Subject: [thelist] learn Websphere (was RE: pre-project planning) In-Reply-To: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A738@ireland.spinhead.com> References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly><72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A731@ireland.spinhead.com><9EC9F031-45D9-4B13-A880-F63F7BA58112@easyweb.co.uk> <03376C7829F7CF419956224D727F7AFD09D7CF9432@G6W0267.americas.hpqcorp.net> <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A738@ireland.spinhead.com> Message-ID: On 21 Mar 2008, at 19:07, Joel D Canfield wrote: >> I don't know if that is a crack against Web Sphere or poor >> project Mgmt... but I used the tool for a Smalltalk project >> that turned out quite nicely. > > I know virtually nothing about the tool; really a comment on the folks > who were (mis)managing it. Ah, apologies :-) Yeah, there's a lot of bullshitters out there. Our infrastructure lead certainly had a lot of practise and improved his interview skills a *tonne* as a result! Cheers Martin -- > Spammers: Send me email -> yumyum at easyweb.co.uk to train my filter > http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/ From RPringle at aurora-il.org Fri Mar 21 15:31:35 2008 From: RPringle at aurora-il.org (Pringle, Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:31:35 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Joomla/iFrame question Message-ID: Hi all. Hoping there might be some people who have had some decent experience with Joomla who may be able to point me in the right direction. I have a Joomla 1.5 site for a non-profit set up and running. I am attempting to integrate Pommo, an open source php/mySql based mailing list application, into the site. I'm using Joomla's wrapper functionality to pull in the subscriber pages via iFrames. That works fine. Part of Pommo's functionality includes sending an email verification to a user when they sign up or want to change their information after signing up. A link is embedded in the email which includes variables in the following format: http://siteurl.com?email=xxx at xxx.com&code=12345 I've changed the url so that it points to the appropriate page within Joomla which calls the iFrame page. My problem is in trying to pass those variables from the URL string to the iFrame. Currently, the iFrame just ignores them and loads the default page. I've tried modifying the URL that Joomla uses to load the iFrame as below: http://siteurl/user/update.php? and http://siteurl/user/update.php?& Neither seems to pass the variables on to the iFrame. Within Joomla, there is no way to add custom code on the page calling the iFrame, so I can't embed any javascript or PHP code to pass those vars to the iFrame. Am I just not doing things correctly in the URL string? Is there some better way of doing this? I've googled this to death and most everything references embedding javascript or a hidden form to pass the vars on to the iFrame, which isn't an option for me. Any ideas at all would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Ron Pringle Web Developer City of Aurora rpringle at aurora-il.org www.aurora-il.org From xli at unitec.ac.nz Fri Mar 21 21:51:01 2008 From: xli at unitec.ac.nz (Xiaosong Li) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:51:01 +1300 Subject: [thelist] Blog vs CMS? In-Reply-To: References: <449E6BE6D00@zeph.dnsalias.com> Message-ID: <47E52AE2.9332.00AF.0@gw.unitec.ac.nz> A CMS is typically a piece of software. A blog is a type of website that features content in the form of *posts* that may or may not allow visitors to comment. I strongly support the above statements. Dr. Xiaosong Li Lecturer School of Computing & Information Technology Unitec New Zealand Phone + 64 9 815 4321 x 6019 Fax + 64 9 815 4338 Room 3003, Building 183 >>> "Randal Rust" 20/03/2008 5:59 a.m. >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Frank wrote: > What exactly is the difference between a CMS and a blog? I'd like to put a different spin on what others have said. A CMS is typically a piece of software. A blog is a type of website that features content in the form of *posts* that may or may not allow visitors to comment. A CMS may very easily contain a blogging module, a news module and an articles module. The market niche for Wordpress, Movable Type, etc. are in fact, content management systems. They just focus on features that you typically find on a blog site. -- Randal Rust R.Squared Communications www.r2communications.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From kipper_timmins at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 21 16:55:28 2008 From: kipper_timmins at yahoo.co.uk (Kipper Timmins) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:55:28 -0000 Subject: [thelist] [Bulk] Re: learn Websphere (was RE: pre-project planning) In-Reply-To: <03376C7829F7CF419956224D727F7AFD09D7CF9432@G6W0267.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A731@ireland.spinhead.com> <9EC9F031-45D9-4B13-A880-F63F7BA58112@easyweb.co.uk> <03376C7829F7CF419956224D727F7AFD09D7CF9432@G6W0267.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <000b01c88b9e$4b1218f0$e1364ad0$@co.uk> Hi there, Hrmmm I've been following this thread (slowly) and I have a question, what is websphere? Thanks for your time kipper -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Conyers, Dwayne Sent: 21 March 2008 18:21 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [Bulk] Re: [thelist] learn Websphere (was RE: pre-project planning) I don't know if that is a crack against Web Sphere or poor project Mgmt... but I used the tool for a Smalltalk project that turned out quite nicely. -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://dwacon.blogspot.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From martin at easyweb.co.uk Sat Mar 22 05:48:06 2008 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:48:06 +0000 Subject: [thelist] [Bulk] Re: learn Websphere (was RE: pre-project planning) In-Reply-To: <000b01c88b9e$4b1218f0$e1364ad0$@co.uk> References: <003901c88aac$1fc45e30$9a7ba8c0@curly> <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40110A731@ireland.spinhead.com> <9EC9F031-45D9-4B13-A880-F63F7BA58112@easyweb.co.uk> <03376C7829F7CF419956224D727F7AFD09D7CF9432@G6W0267.americas.hpqcorp.net> <000b01c88b9e$4b1218f0$e1364ad0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <8EE552D4-531B-4299-A52D-32BFBB60C9B4@easyweb.co.uk> On 21 Mar 2008, at 21:55, Kipper Timmins wrote: > Hrmmm I've been following this thread (slowly) and I have a > question, what > is websphere? It's an application server (actually, a family of servers, but we're talking about the J2EE App Server) made by IBM, broadly competitive with Apache Tomcat and BEA WebLogic. Many enterprise apps require a J2EE server to run on, and pretty much all of those run on WebShere, particularly if you're in a Unix environment. There's also a free (beer) community edition available. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_WebSphere_Application_Server http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASCE http://www-306.ibm.com/software/webservers/appserv/was/ http://www-306.ibm.com/software/webservers/appserv/community/ Cheers Martin -- > Spammers: Send me email -> yumyum at easyweb.co.uk to train my filter > http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/ From bobm at dottedi.biz Sat Mar 22 09:37:01 2008 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:37:01 -0700 Subject: [thelist] splash page Message-ID: <47E5198D.3080300@dottedi.biz> I'm not excited about splash pages, but it's a requirement. I am using the dynamicdrive script found at: http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex3/dynamicsplash.htm Hit the skip to content button if you don't want to wait. It works fine in FF and IE7 (even Konqueror), and earlier this week I 'thought' it was working in IE6, but not now. So I am wondering if I 'inadvertently' compromised my IE6 properties and IE is now amiss or other. Could someone running IE6 hit the page? The almost vanilla example should display an image for about 3 seconds then go to a text page. http://69.89.31.208/~invisio6/ie-index.html -- Bob From bobm at dottedi.biz Sat Mar 22 09:55:42 2008 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:55:42 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Joomla/iFrame question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E51DEE.3000401@dottedi.biz> I don't know if this helps, but with my joomla sites I installed the 'jumi' (mod_jumi_1_10.zip) module and mambot (plugin_jumi_1_01.zip). With the mambot you can run scripts within a regular content page. You can pass variables into a script as well, for instance if you want to make sure someone is logged in before running a script. If you need I can get you an example. -Bob Pringle, Ron wrote: > Hi all. Hoping there might be some people who have had some decent experience with Joomla who may be able to point me in the right direction. > > I have a Joomla 1.5 site for a non-profit set up and running. I am attempting to integrate Pommo, an open source php/mySql based mailing list application, into the site. > > I'm using Joomla's wrapper functionality to pull in the subscriber pages via iFrames. That works fine. Part of Pommo's functionality includes sending an email verification to a user when they sign up or want to change their information after signing up. A link is embedded in the email which includes variables in the following format: > > http://siteurl.com?email=xxx at xxx.com&code=12345 > > I've changed the url so that it points to the appropriate page within Joomla which calls the iFrame page. My problem is in trying to pass those variables from the URL string to the iFrame. Currently, the iFrame just ignores them and loads the default page. > > I've tried modifying the URL that Joomla uses to load the iFrame as below: > > http://siteurl/user/update.php? > > and > > http://siteurl/user/update.php?& > > Neither seems to pass the variables on to the iFrame. > > Within Joomla, there is no way to add custom code on the page calling the iFrame, so I can't embed any javascript or PHP code to pass those vars to the iFrame. > > Am I just not doing things correctly in the URL string? Is there some better way of doing this? I've googled this to death and most everything references embedding javascript or a hidden form to pass the vars on to the iFrame, which isn't an option for me. > > Any ideas at all would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, Ron > From nan at nanharbison.com Sat Mar 22 09:59:39 2008 From: nan at nanharbison.com (Nan Harbison) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:59:39 -0400 Subject: [thelist] splash page In-Reply-To: <47E5198D.3080300@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: <20080322142100.6D783DC09D7@smtp3.34sp.com> First I had to figure out how to make McAfee Site advisor let me load this page in spite of its protestations! McAfee thought this was a phishing site. :-) No splash screen on IE6 on Windows XP here. It went right to text. Nan -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Bob Meetin Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:37 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] splash page I'm not excited about splash pages, but it's a requirement. I am using the dynamicdrive script found at: http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex3/dynamicsplash.htm Hit the skip to content button if you don't want to wait. It works fine in FF and IE7 (even Konqueror), and earlier this week I 'thought' it was working in IE6, but not now. So I am wondering if I 'inadvertently' compromised my IE6 properties and IE is now amiss or other. Could someone running IE6 hit the page? The almost vanilla example should display an image for about 3 seconds then go to a text page. http://69.89.31.208/~invisio6/ie-index.html -- Bob -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From david at chelseacreekstudio.com Sat Mar 22 13:24:19 2008 From: david at chelseacreekstudio.com (David Laakso) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:24:19 -0400 Subject: [thelist] splash page In-Reply-To: <47E5198D.3080300@dottedi.biz> References: <47E5198D.3080300@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: <47E54ED3.6040304@chelseacreekstudio.com> Bob Meetin wrote: > I'm not excited about splash pages, but it's a requirement. I am using > the dynamicdrive script found at: > > http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex3/dynamicsplash.htm > > I suppose you might just keep it simple and use a timed meta attribute in the head section to hold it for 3 seconds and then automatically move it to the next page? (or something like that)... -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ From bobm at dottedi.biz Sat Mar 22 15:13:38 2008 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:13:38 -0700 Subject: [thelist] splash page In-Reply-To: <47E54ED3.6040304@chelseacreekstudio.com> References: <47E5198D.3080300@dottedi.biz> <47E54ED3.6040304@chelseacreekstudio.com> Message-ID: <47E56872.3040808@dottedi.biz> C'est parfait! Yes absolutely perfect! > > > > > I suppose you might just keep it simple and use a timed meta attribute > in the head section to hold it for 3 seconds and then automatically move > it to the next page? > (or > something like that)... >