From marc.cantwell at chinookmaterials.com Mon Jan 5 02:33:05 2009 From: marc.cantwell at chinookmaterials.com (Marc Cantwell) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:33:05 -0800 Subject: [thelist] newbie help -- javascript return function value Message-ID: I have a javascript function that creates a uniquely formatted timestamp. I would like to load the value into a form text box either on page load, or on click. Here is what I have so far, I have it set to onclick, but when i set the parameter to the onclick to be for the function, I don't get the value of the function, it runs the function as a reference and opens up a new window with the value. Any help would be great! script ----------- -------------- Form Field (don't mind the code its an embed google spreadsheet form) ---------------
Marc Cantwell Chinook Materials Inc 9125 SW Ridder Road, Suite B Wilsonville, Oregon 97070-9626 Direct: 971.252.4735 Fax: 503.210.6265 www.chinookmaterials.com ----------------------------------------------- Disclaimer - Chinook Materials, Inc. This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Although steps have been taken to check for viruses, the recipient(s) should also check to ensure messages are virus free. From marc.cantwell at chinookmaterials.com Mon Jan 5 02:33:05 2009 From: marc.cantwell at chinookmaterials.com (Marc Cantwell) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:33:05 -0800 Subject: [thelist] newbie help -- javascript return function value Message-ID: I have a javascript function that creates a uniquely formatted timestamp. I would like to load the value into a form text box either on page load, or on click. Here is what I have so far, I have it set to onclick, but when i set the parameter to the onclick to be for the function, I don't get the value of the function, it runs the function as a reference and opens up a new window with the value. Any help would be great! script ----------- -------------- Form Field (don't mind the code its an embed google spreadsheet form) ---------------
Marc Cantwell Chinook Materials Inc 9125 SW Ridder Road, Suite B Wilsonville, Oregon 97070-9626 Direct: 971.252.4735 Fax: 503.210.6265 www.chinookmaterials.com ----------------------------------------------- Disclaimer - Chinook Materials, Inc. This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Although steps have been taken to check for viruses, the recipient(s) should also check to ensure messages are virus free. From lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com Mon Jan 5 04:24:15 2009 From: lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com (Lee Kowalkowski) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:24:15 +0000 Subject: [thelist] newbie help -- javascript return function value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <610592c90901050224p47157706o70304e6828bdb8f6@mail.gmail.com> On 05/01/2009, Marc Cantwell wrote: > function rfino () > { ... > document.write("RFI-" + month + day + year + hours + minutes + seconds > + milliseconds) > } I'm not sure about embed goog spreadsheet form, but this would normally create a new document, you should be using a return statement here, e.g. return "RFI" + ... > id="entry_22" onclick="this.value=rfino;" /> onclick="this.value=rfino()" -- Lee From meredith at pintsize.com Mon Jan 5 06:52:35 2009 From: meredith at pintsize.com (Meredith Tupper) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:52:35 -0500 Subject: [thelist] any Volusion developers out there? Message-ID: <49620293.7080001@pintsize.com> If so, please contact me offlist -- looking for some quick maintenance help. Thanks, Meredith -- PintSize Graphics & Web Hosting, Inc. http://www.pintsize.com 888-875-1082 meredith at pintsize.com CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING This electronic message contains information which may be privileged and/or confidential. This information is intended for the exclusive use of the individual(s), entity, or persons named or indicated above. Any unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of any parts of the contents of this message/information is strictly prohibited by federal law. Any attempts to intercept this message are in violation of Title 18 U.S.C. 2511(1) of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA). All violators are subject to fines, imprisonment or civil damages, or both. From misterhaan at track7.org Mon Jan 5 07:39:25 2009 From: misterhaan at track7.org (misterhaan) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:39:25 -0600 Subject: [thelist] newbie help -- javascript return function value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49620D8D.9010002@track7.org> Marc Cantwell wrote: > id="entry_22" onclick="this.value=rfino;" /> as you said, you're setting the value of the field to the function itself, instead of running the function and setting the field to the return value. set the onclick property to "this.value=rfino();" instead and it will run the function each time you click on the field and set its value to the function return value. From meredith at pintsize.com Mon Jan 5 08:50:28 2009 From: meredith at pintsize.com (Meredith Tupper) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:50:28 -0600 Subject: [thelist] clarification: Volusion project is a paying gig In-Reply-To: <49620293.7080001@pintsize.com> References: <49620293.7080001@pintsize.com> Message-ID: <20090105085028.75zyo4w5xk4kg4s8@66.135.46.212> Sorry for not mentioning that initially. -- PintSize Graphics & Web Hosting, Inc. http://www.pintsize.com 888-875-1082 meredith at pintsize.com CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING This electronic message contains information which may be privileged and/or confidential. This information is intended for the exclusive use of the individual(s), entity, or persons named or indicated above. Any unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of any parts of the contents of this message/information is strictly prohibited by federal law. Any attempts to intercept this message are in violation of Title 18 U.S.C. 2511(1) of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA). All violators are subject to fines, imprisonment or civil damages, or both. From hmiller at cfpress.co.uk Mon Jan 5 10:21:02 2009 From: hmiller at cfpress.co.uk (Hugh Miller) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:21:02 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address Message-ID: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> Hi folks, I've a requirement to install an IP to country system across our sites as a way of filtering advertising mainly, and for certain UK only content generally. Having never used anything like this before (currently our doubleclick software does it automatically) I've downloaded and set up a database from Software 77. http://software77.net/cgi-bin/ip-country/geo-ip.pl Does anyone know how reliable this one is, or any feedback at all would be great, it'd be right good to have got a usable one first time of asking! My test page is on: http://www.anelegantchaos.org/ If you land there and your country is incorrect I'd appreciate a mail to let me know from the supplied link on the page. Especially interested in US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South African testers as these are far and away the biggest international traffic sources we have. There's a Google maps pre-set latitude and longitude finder there if anyone wants it all you need is an API for your own domain. Regards, H E -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From simonmacdonald at uk2.net Mon Jan 5 13:16:12 2009 From: simonmacdonald at uk2.net (Simon MacDonald) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:16:12 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address In-Reply-To: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> References: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> Message-ID: <002401c96f6a$12ba8540$382f8fc0$@net> Works ok for GB - South Yorkshire. (This ex-Invernessian finds the thought of Lossie as a spaceport quite mind-boggling. Can I see myself camping out on the Culbin Sands waiting for a launch! What are the thoughts of the Findhorn Community[1], I wonder - I await developments with interest!!! [1] http://www.findhorn.org/index.php?tz=0 kind regards Simon Simon MacDonald www.lemonslicedesign.com simonmacdonald at uk2.net 07966 906 799 >------Original Message----- >-From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- >-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Hugh Miller >-Sent: 05 January 2009 16:21 >-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >-Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address >- >-Hi folks, >- >-I've a requirement to install an IP to country system across our sites >-as a way of filtering advertising mainly, and for certain UK only >-content generally. Having never used anything like this before >-(currently our doubleclick software does it automatically) I've >-downloaded and set up a database from Software 77. >- >-http://software77.net/cgi-bin/ip-country/geo-ip.pl >- >-Does anyone know how reliable this one is, or any feedback at all would >-be great, it'd be right good to have got a usable one first time of >-asking! >- >-My test page is on: >- >-http://www.anelegantchaos.org/ >- >-If you land there and your country is incorrect I'd appreciate a mail >-to >-let me know from the supplied link on the page. >- >-Especially interested in US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South >-African testers as these are far and away the biggest international >-traffic sources we have. >- >-There's a Google maps pre-set latitude and longitude finder there if >-anyone wants it all you need is an API for your own domain. >- >-Regards, >-H >- >-E >- >- >--- >-This message has been scanned for viruses and >-dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >-believed to be clean. >- >--- >- >-* * Please support the community that supports you. * * >-http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >- >-For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >-and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >-Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Ron.Luther at hp.com Mon Jan 5 13:35:07 2009 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:35:07 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address In-Reply-To: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> References: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> Message-ID: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16C3CC6A01@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Hugh Miller asked: >>My test page is on: http://www.anelegantchaos.org/ >>Especially interested in US Hi Hugh, The script is showing Houston as being in the US instead of in the Republic of Texas ... but a lot of northerners make that mistake so no worries there. ;-P HTH, RonL. From roel.mulder at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 13:34:26 2009 From: roel.mulder at gmail.com (Roel Mulder) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:34:26 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Geodata of IMO numbers Message-ID: <3cda48880901051134o283148b6l215f4bbb117874ca@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Does anyone know about a database/service that can be queried for geographic coordinates of ships/vessels? Ships are identified by a unique IMO number. I'm looking a daily/weekly update for a few thousand ships. Thanks in advance, Roel Mulder From sam at invalidpage.com Mon Jan 5 13:42:05 2009 From: sam at invalidpage.com (Samuel Warren) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:42:05 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address In-Reply-To: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16C3CC6A01@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16C3CC6A01@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <7f1a8e380901051142j38299efeud50c5fb2a6fc4227@mail.gmail.com> Sry, Please excuse the texan (I thought we took away their internet years ago for pestering the Icelander's for a fresh cup). On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Luther, Ron wrote: > Hugh Miller asked: > > >>My test page is on: > http://www.anelegantchaos.org/ > > >>Especially interested in US > > > Hi Hugh, > > The script is showing Houston as being in the US instead of in the Republic > of Texas ... but a lot of northerners make that mistake so no worries there. > ;-P > > HTH, > RonL. > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From dwayne.conyers at hp.com Mon Jan 5 15:52:14 2009 From: dwayne.conyers at hp.com (Conyers, Dwayne) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:52:14 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address In-Reply-To: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16C3CC6A01@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk>, <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16C3CC6A01@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D1EC22CC0F3@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Luther, Ron was rumored to have said: > The script is showing Houston as being in the US > instead of in the Republic of Texas ... but a lot of > northerners make that mistake so no worries there. Well, there are *two* types of people... Texans and foreigners... so that is understandable. -- The generation that took acid to escape reality is now taking antacid to deal with reality http://blog.dwacon.com From simonmacdonald at uk2.net Mon Jan 5 16:05:12 2009 From: simonmacdonald at uk2.net (Simon MacDonald) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:05:12 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address In-Reply-To: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D1EC22CC0F3@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk>, <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16C3CC6A01@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D1EC22CC0F3@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <002801c96f81$aeeaaf50$0cc00df0$@net> >-Well, there are *two* types of people... Texans and foreigners... so >-that is understandable Nah, yer all Sassenachs ... -S . From hmiller at cfpress.co.uk Mon Jan 5 16:28:58 2009 From: hmiller at cfpress.co.uk (Hugh Miller) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:28:58 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address In-Reply-To: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16C3CC6A01@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16C3CC6A01@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <1231194538.496289aa29955@cfpress.co.uk> Having friends in Dallas, I guess I should rectify this. I dare say I could add a conditional on lone star IP's. Thanks for checking. (and to all others who may or might. I realised today just how useful a resource evolt really is. I was able to log in to my Irish network and see from there and to various UK sites... but being able to write one email and get responses from so far afield is really quite something. I feel a donation coming on - but you'll need to wait till the 28th, christmas was an iPod and Wii tastic one for my weans) H Quoting "Luther, Ron" : > Hugh Miller asked: > > >>My test page is on: > http://www.anelegantchaos.org/ > > >>Especially interested in US > > > Hi Hugh, > > The script is showing Houston as being in the US instead of in the Republic > of Texas ... but a lot of northerners make that mistake so no worries there. > ;-P > > HTH, > RonL. > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- Hugh Miller Web Developer Clyde & Forth Press Ltd Tel: +44 (0)1475 726511 Fax: +44 (0)1475 783734 Email: hmiller at cfpress.co.uk This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee. If you have received it in error, please inform the sender and delete it immediately. The views or opinions contained within this email may not be those of Clyde & Forth Press Ltd, which accepts no liability for any damage caused by the transmission of any viruses. E-mail traffic is monitored within Clyde & Forth Press Ltd and messages may be viewed. Clyde & Forth Press Ltd is a company registered in Scotland (SC132609) with its registered office at Pitreavie Business Park, Dunfermline, Fife, KY11 8QS. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ekm at seastorm.com Mon Jan 5 20:36:24 2009 From: ekm at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:36:24 -0800 Subject: [thelist] headers, logo images, and semantic markup Message-ID: <4962C3A8.5020002@seastorm.com> I'm marking up a site with a company name/logo/brand across the top of every page (and in every title tag) and a secondary title on every page (and also in the title tag) such as: company: about us company: contact us etc. The company logo/brand requires a special font etc, and needs to be displayed as an image. Of the following two options, what is the best way to mark this up for usability, accessibilty, and search engine optimization? And why? 1. embed company name/logo/brand graphic irectly into HTML with alt attribute, and make the secondary header (for example "about us") an H1. 2. make the company name the H1 on every page, use an image replacement technique to show the graphic instead of the text, and make "about us" etc the H2 Thanks, Erika From ekm at seastorm.com Mon Jan 5 20:36:29 2009 From: ekm at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:36:29 -0800 Subject: [thelist] headers, logo images, and semantic markup Message-ID: <4962C3AD.1030106@seastorm.com> I'm marking up a site with a company name/logo/brand across the top of every page (and in every title tag) and a secondary title on every page (and also in the title tag) such as: company: about us company: contact us etc. The company logo/brand requires a special font etc, and needs to be displayed as an image. Of the following two options, what is the best way to mark this up for usability, accessibilty, and search engine optimization? And why? 1. embed company name/logo/brand graphic irectly into HTML with alt attribute, and make the secondary header (for example "about us") an H1. 2. make the company name the H1 on every page, use an image replacement technique to show the graphic instead of the text, and make "about us" etc the H2 Thanks, Erika From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Mon Jan 5 20:43:15 2009 From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:43:15 +1300 Subject: [thelist] headers, logo images, and semantic markup In-Reply-To: <4962C3AD.1030106@seastorm.com> References: <4962C3AD.1030106@seastorm.com> Message-ID: <4FE55112B64A5B479A534E3A6A9B344C4961F6A95C@exchmb3.net.ad.wcc.govt.nz> Before we get into an image replacement / SiFR debate, in my experience this works fine:

Company Name.

About Us

Why? The code is semantic, screen readers / assistive devices will still be able to use the heading structure, it renders fine with CSS on / images off (as well as CSS off, images on and CSS off, images off and pretty much any other odd situation you can think of) and search engines will still index and rank the alt content of the image as content of the important h1 text. :) Paul From ekm at seastorm.com Mon Jan 5 21:12:13 2009 From: ekm at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:12:13 -0800 Subject: [thelist] headers, logo images, and semantic markup In-Reply-To: <4FE55112B64A5B479A534E3A6A9B344C4961F6A95C@exchmb3.net.ad.wcc.govt.nz> References: <4962C3AD.1030106@seastorm.com> <4FE55112B64A5B479A534E3A6A9B344C4961F6A95C@exchmb3.net.ad.wcc.govt.nz> Message-ID: <4962CC0D.5060404@seastorm.com> Paul Bennett wrote:

Company Name.

So you are essentially saying that *company name* should be the h1. Everyone else agrees? As far as your markup technique, I did not know that you could do that... but it validates! Erika From haswell00 at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 22:42:13 2009 From: haswell00 at gmail.com (Blake) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:42:13 +1100 Subject: [thelist] headers, logo images, and semantic markup In-Reply-To: <4FE55112B64A5B479A534E3A6A9B344C4961F6A95C@exchmb3.net.ad.wcc.govt.nz> References: <4962C3AD.1030106@seastorm.com> <4FE55112B64A5B479A534E3A6A9B344C4961F6A95C@exchmb3.net.ad.wcc.govt.nz> Message-ID: <916b2e590901052042x11a0afc1ybddb3d00ce93badb@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Paul Bennett wrote: > in my experience this works fine: > >

Company Name.

>

About Us

Agreed completely. Also using an image for the company logo is the best solution IMO. It degrades nicely for other media such as print and mobile. It is probably more semantic for a logo to be an image rather than IR anyway since a logo is very much a visual reperesentation of a company and people tend to have very good visual recognition e.g. you are more likely to recognise than golden arches logo rather than the word "McDonalds". -- Blake Haswell http://www.blakehaswell.com/ | http://blakehaswell.wordpress.com/ From willthemoor at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 00:20:43 2009 From: willthemoor at gmail.com (Will) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:20:43 -0800 Subject: [thelist] headers, logo images, and semantic markup In-Reply-To: <4962CC0D.5060404@seastorm.com> References: <4962C3AD.1030106@seastorm.com> <4FE55112B64A5B479A534E3A6A9B344C4961F6A95C@exchmb3.net.ad.wcc.govt.nz> <4962CC0D.5060404@seastorm.com> Message-ID: <2506fbd50901052220r965fe7ax2d0ce82f9657b3d0@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Erika Meyer wrote: > Paul Bennett wrote: >

Company Name.

> > So you are essentially saying that *company name* should be the h1. > Everyone else agrees? > Totally disagree. The heading for the page content should be the h1. Personally, I think this is more semantically 'correct' but more importantly to your client, google agrees with me. I you were browsing Wikipedia with a screen reader, would you want to hear "WIKIPEDIA!" emphasized on each page as your browsed or the name of the page you think you clicked to? I'm all for the img tag instead of image replacement. In addition to the cross media bonus mentioned earlier, images set via css will not appear when printed.

Main header for page content

Sometimes on a home page I put the company name in the h1 if it's the type of content-light page that basically links to other content. I sorta think of the New York Times. On A1, "The New York Times" is the main headline. On the interior pages, the content wins. Will From willthemoor at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 00:22:00 2009 From: willthemoor at gmail.com (Will) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:22:00 -0800 Subject: [thelist] headers, logo images, and semantic markup In-Reply-To: <4962C3A8.5020002@seastorm.com> References: <4962C3A8.5020002@seastorm.com> Message-ID: <2506fbd50901052222o2efbefd7sd033d6714649420d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Erika Meyer wrote: > I'm marking up a site with a company name/logo/brand across the top of > every page (and in every title tag) and a secondary title on every page > (and also in the title tag) such as: More opinions: http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2003/09/13/simplequiz_part_v_site_and_page_titles.html http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2003/09/15/simplequiz_site_and_page_titles_conclusion.html I wish he still did the Simple Quizzes. From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Tue Jan 6 04:48:17 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:48:17 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) Message-ID: <496336F1.4050601@choctaw.co.uk> Hi This must be really simple but my brain is not functioning. I have a table with only numbers in it and I want to increase every value by 35%. What would be the simplest query string? -- Kind Regards Chris Price Choctaw chris.price at choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd << ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB . United Kingdom From barry at burnthebook.co.uk Tue Jan 6 04:58:42 2009 From: barry at burnthebook.co.uk (Barry Woolgar) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:58:42 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) In-Reply-To: <496336F1.4050601@choctaw.co.uk> References: <496336F1.4050601@choctaw.co.uk> Message-ID: <000701c96fed$c03e2400$40ba6c00$@co.uk> > I have a table with only numbers in it and I want to increase every value by 35%. Assuming MySQL: UPDATE table SET `field` = `field` * 1.35; Be sure to back up first, just in case my brain is also not functioning... ;) Barry -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris Price Sent: 06 January 2009 10:48 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) Hi This must be really simple but my brain is not functioning. I have a table with only numbers in it and I want to increase every value by 35%. What would be the simplest query string? -- Kind Regards Chris Price Choctaw chris.price at choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd << ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB . United Kingdom -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From hmiller at cfpress.co.uk Tue Jan 6 05:04:59 2009 From: hmiller at cfpress.co.uk (Hugh Miller) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:04:59 +0000 Subject: [thelist] headers, logo images, and semantic markup In-Reply-To: <2506fbd50901052222o2efbefd7sd033d6714649420d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4962C3A8.5020002@seastorm.com> <2506fbd50901052222o2efbefd7sd033d6714649420d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49633ADB.2000105@cfpress.co.uk> I'd be inclined to agree with Will here, good practice is that the

would be pretty much the tag. If you have the <title> tag as <title>Company Name | Brand Phrase / Mission Statement | Title of page , and then:

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Will wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Erika Meyer wrote: > >> I'm marking up a site with a company name/logo/brand across the top of >> every page (and in every title tag) and a secondary title on every page >> (and also in the title tag) such as: >> > > More opinions: > http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2003/09/13/simplequiz_part_v_site_and_page_titles.html > http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2003/09/15/simplequiz_site_and_page_titles_conclusion.html > > I wish he still did the Simple Quizzes. > -- Hugh Miller Web Developer Clyde & Forth Press Ltd Tel: +44-01475-726511 Fax: +44-01475-783734 Email: hmiller at cfpress.co.uk This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee. If you have received it in error, please inform the sender and delete it immediately. The views or opinions contained within this email may not be those of Clyde & Forth Press Ltd, which accepts no liability for any damage caused by the transmission of any viruses. E-mail traffic is monitored within Clyde & Forth Press Ltd and messages may be viewed. Clyde & Forth Press Ltd is a company registered in Scotland (SC132609) with its registered office at Pitreavie Business Park, Dunfermline, Fife, KY11 8QS. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Tue Jan 6 05:11:15 2009 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:11:15 -0500 Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificate Problems Message-ID: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> I have moved a client's site from one server to another and there appears to be something wrong with the SSL certificate. When I update my hosts file to redirect me to the new site location, I get a security warning in FireFox, Opera and IE7. The hosting company says they can't see the error and that the problem lies between me and the server. I have checked with two different PCs, multiple browsers and all of them issue a warning. Could a few of you take a look at: https://www.palmettomastersingers.org with this host file entry: 74.52.85.233 www.palmettomastersingers.org palmettomastersingers.org and let me know what you see? -- --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- From hmiller at cfpress.co.uk Tue Jan 6 05:56:42 2009 From: hmiller at cfpress.co.uk (Hugh Miller) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:56:42 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address In-Reply-To: <85c8725a0901051451g61c98599ocef8d57e9d3fbddf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16C3CC6A01@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> <1231194538.496289aa29955@cfpress.co.uk> <85c8725a0901051451g61c98599ocef8d57e9d3fbddf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <496346FA.4030004@cfpress.co.uk> From the responses so far it appears that it is accurate which is encouraging. I've uploaded a script that will allow anyone to use this database if they want it. If you change the values of the constants at the top of the script and run it as a PHP file it will download the zip, create and populate the table and output a simple query. Pretty much everything you would need to get started. Cheers to all who have checked for me. Download sample at: http://www.anelegantchaos.org/ip_to_country.txt Regards, H ------Original Message----- >-From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- >-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Hugh Miller >-Sent: 05 January 2009 16:21 >-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >-Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address >- >-Hi folks, >- >-I've a requirement to install an IP to country system across our sites >-as a way of filtering advertising mainly, and for certain UK only >-content generally. Having never used anything like this before >-(currently our doubleclick software does it automatically) I've >-downloaded and set up a database from Software 77. >- >-http://software77.net/cgi-bin/ip-country/geo-ip.pl >- >-Does anyone know how reliable this one is, or any feedback at all would >-be great, it'd be right good to have got a usable one first time of >-asking! >- >-My test page is on: >- >-http://www.anelegantchaos.org/ >- >-If you land there and your country is incorrect I'd appreciate a mail >-to >-let me know from the supplied link on the page. >- >-Especially interested in US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South >-African testers as these are far and away the biggest international >-traffic sources we have. >- >-There's a Google maps pre-set latitude and longitude finder there if >-anyone wants it all you need is an API for your own domain. >- >-Regards, >-H -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Tue Jan 6 05:43:51 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:43:51 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) In-Reply-To: <000701c96fed$c03e2400$40ba6c00$@co.uk> References: <496336F1.4050601@choctaw.co.uk> <000701c96fed$c03e2400$40ba6c00$@co.uk> Message-ID: <496343F7.8010209@choctaw.co.uk> Thanks but I am looking for a query something like UPDATE table_name SET * = * x 1.35 so I don't need to know field names. Barry Woolgar wrote: >> I have a table with only numbers in it and I want to increase every value >> > by 35%. > > Assuming MySQL: > > UPDATE table SET `field` = `field` * 1.35; > > Be sure to back up first, just in case my brain is also not functioning... > ;) -- Kind Regards Chris Price Choctaw chris.price at choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd << ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB . United Kingdom From hmiller at cfpress.co.uk Tue Jan 6 07:11:18 2009 From: hmiller at cfpress.co.uk (Hugh Miller) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:11:18 +0000 Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificate Problems In-Reply-To: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> References: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> Message-ID: <49635876.8020602@cfpress.co.uk> No problem here Norman. H Norman Bunn wrote: > I have moved a client's site from one server to another and there > appears to be something wrong with the SSL certificate. When I update > my hosts file to redirect me to the new site location, I get a security > warning in FireFox, Opera and IE7. The hosting company says they can't > see the error and that the problem lies between me and the server. I > have checked with two different PCs, multiple browsers and all of them > issue a warning. Could a few of you take a look at: > > https://www.palmettomastersingers.org > > with this host file entry: > > 74.52.85.233 www.palmettomastersingers.org palmettomastersingers.org > > and let me know what you see? > > -- Hugh Miller Web Developer Clyde & Forth Press Ltd Tel: +44-01475-726511 Fax: +44-01475-783734 Email: hmiller at cfpress.co.uk This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee. If you have received it in error, please inform the sender and delete it immediately. The views or opinions contained within this email may not be those of Clyde & Forth Press Ltd, which accepts no liability for any damage caused by the transmission of any viruses. E-mail traffic is monitored within Clyde & Forth Press Ltd and messages may be viewed. Clyde & Forth Press Ltd is a company registered in Scotland (SC132609) with its registered office at Pitreavie Business Park, Dunfermline, Fife, KY11 8QS. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From sam at invalidpage.com Tue Jan 6 08:20:23 2009 From: sam at invalidpage.com (Samuel Warren) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:20:23 -0600 Subject: [thelist] headers, logo images, and semantic markup In-Reply-To: <49633ADB.2000105@cfpress.co.uk> References: <4962C3A8.5020002@seastorm.com> <2506fbd50901052222o2efbefd7sd033d6714649420d@mail.gmail.com> <49633ADB.2000105@cfpress.co.uk> Message-ID: <7f1a8e380901060620u4232ecf5xa5a90d91195bfc43@mail.gmail.com> I too agree with Will. Google spider looks closely at your header layout on your page. Personally in hit example of the New York Times main page vs. content, you can leave the company name in the H1 for your screen readers/text mode browsers, but style it so it show smaller on content pages so the content holds the visual focus of the reader. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Samuel Warren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Hugh Miller wrote: > I'd be inclined to agree with Will here, good practice is that the

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> > Will wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Erika Meyer wrote: > > > >> I'm marking up a site with a company name/logo/brand across the top of > >> every page (and in every title tag) and a secondary title on every page > >> (and also in the title tag) such as: > >> > > > > More opinions: > > > http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2003/09/13/simplequiz_part_v_site_and_page_titles.html > > > http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2003/09/15/simplequiz_site_and_page_titles_conclusion.html > > > > I wish he still did the Simple Quizzes. > > > > -- > Hugh Miller > Web Developer > Clyde & Forth Press Ltd > > Tel: +44-01475-726511 > Fax: +44-01475-783734 > Email: hmiller at cfpress.co.uk > > > This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for > the addressee. If you have received it in error, please inform the sender > and delete it immediately. The views or opinions contained within this email > may not be those of Clyde & Forth Press Ltd, which accepts no liability for > any damage caused by the transmission of any viruses. E-mail traffic is > monitored within Clyde & Forth Press Ltd and messages may be viewed. > > Clyde & Forth Press Ltd is a company registered in Scotland (SC132609) with > its registered office at Pitreavie Business Park, Dunfermline, Fife, KY11 > 8QS. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From gunlaugs at c2i.net Tue Jan 6 08:31:47 2009 From: gunlaugs at c2i.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gunlaug_S=F8rtun?=) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:31:47 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address In-Reply-To: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> References: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> Message-ID: <49636B53.4050802@c2i.net> Hugh Miller wrote: > http://www.anelegantchaos.org/ > > If you land there and your country is incorrect I'd appreciate a mail > to let me know from the supplied link on the page. Yours puts me in "SWEDEN" (what an insult :-) ), while BrowserSPY... ...correctly identifies my position to "somewhere in NORWAY". That's as close as one can come anyway, since I'm using a wireless connection which shifts actual IP/position from time to time. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no From graham.hays at visualcomputing.co.uk Tue Jan 6 08:37:06 2009 From: graham.hays at visualcomputing.co.uk (graham.hays) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:37:06 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Geographic Location from IP Address In-Reply-To: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> References: <4962336E.1050806@cfpress.co.uk> Message-ID: <114C662AD74347C6B0A28D6753149252@valencia> OK - says I'm in Spain and looking out the window I have to agree! From jason.handby at corestar.co.uk Tue Jan 6 07:40:08 2009 From: jason.handby at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:40:08 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) In-Reply-To: <496343F7.8010209@choctaw.co.uk> References: <496336F1.4050601@choctaw.co.uk><000701c96fed$c03e2400$40ba6c00$@co.uk> <496343F7.8010209@choctaw.co.uk> Message-ID: <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF02064D55@exch-be12.exchange.local> > Thanks > > but I am looking for a query something like UPDATE table_name SET * = * > x 1.35 so I don't need to know field names. If *every* value in the table is multiplied by 1.35, that means anything else that references this table will have its foreign key relationship broken (as for every record in your table the primary key will change). So, you'll need to either a) exclude some fields in your table from the multiplication (e.g. if you have a numeric ID field) or b) carry out the same multiplication process on the relevant fields in any other table that refers to this one, so that the reference is preserved. Either way your database structure sounds a bit weird :-) Jason From matthiar at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 08:51:50 2009 From: matthiar at gmail.com (Matthias Ritzkowski) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:51:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Geodata of IMO numbers Message-ID: Hi Roel, I recently surfed over here ... http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml Might be a starting point! regards Matthias Ritzkowski Hi all, Does anyone know about a database/service that can be queried for geographic coordinates of ships/vessels? Ships are identified by a unique IMO number. I'm looking a daily/weekly update for a few thousand ships. Thanks in advance, Roel Mulder ------------------------------------ From barry at burnthebook.co.uk Tue Jan 6 09:09:52 2009 From: barry at burnthebook.co.uk (Barry Woolgar) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:09:52 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) In-Reply-To: <496343F7.8010209@choctaw.co.uk> References: <496336F1.4050601@choctaw.co.uk> <000701c96fed$c03e2400$40ba6c00$@co.uk> <496343F7.8010209@choctaw.co.uk> Message-ID: <001601c97010$d52c2ec0$7f848c40$@co.uk> > I am looking for a query something like UPDATE table_name > SET * = * x 1.35 so I don't need to know field names. Ah I see what you mean, if you don't mind doing it in a couple of queries and a bit of programming you could run a 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM table', loop through the results to get the field names, and build your update query on the fly. There is probably a more elegant way to go about this, which I'd be interested in seeing if anyone knows it. Thanks Barry -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris Price Sent: 06 January 2009 11:44 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) Thanks but I am looking for a query something like UPDATE table_name SET * = * x 1.35 so I don't need to know field names. Barry Woolgar wrote: >> I have a table with only numbers in it and I want to increase every value >> > by 35%. > > Assuming MySQL: > > UPDATE table SET `field` = `field` * 1.35; > > Be sure to back up first, just in case my brain is also not functioning... > ;) -- Kind Regards Chris Price Choctaw chris.price at choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd << ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB . United Kingdom -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From sam at invalidpage.com Tue Jan 6 09:10:24 2009 From: sam at invalidpage.com (Samuel Warren) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:10:24 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) In-Reply-To: <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF02064D55@exch-be12.exchange.local> References: <496336F1.4050601@choctaw.co.uk> <000701c96fed$c03e2400$40ba6c00$@co.uk> <496343F7.8010209@choctaw.co.uk> <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF02064D55@exch-be12.exchange.local> Message-ID: <7f1a8e380901060710l79fe77a5kaa6bd3b9db493d1@mail.gmail.com> Jason, not all database structures require a parent/child relationship which necessitates foreign keys. Chris, I'm sure what your looking for can be done, probably with a cursor (unfortunately). Basically This query will give you the column names: SELECT name FROM syscolumns WHERE id = (SELECT id FROM sysobjects WHERE name= '') ORDER by colorder; If you drop those names into a cursor you should be able to use them to run out Update queries from there. Never done it before, but I'm pretty sure it's possible. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Samuel Warren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Jason Handby wrote: > > Thanks > > > > but I am looking for a query something like UPDATE table_name SET * = > * > > x 1.35 so I don't need to know field names. > > > If *every* value in the table is multiplied by 1.35, that means anything > else that references this table will have its foreign key relationship > broken (as for every record in your table the primary key will change). > > So, you'll need to either a) exclude some fields in your table from the > multiplication (e.g. if you have a numeric ID field) or b) carry out the > same multiplication process on the relevant fields in any other table > that refers to this one, so that the reference is preserved. Either way > your database structure sounds a bit weird :-) > > > > Jason > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Tue Jan 6 09:29:32 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:29:32 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) In-Reply-To: <001601c97010$d52c2ec0$7f848c40$@co.uk> References: <496336F1.4050601@choctaw.co.uk> <000701c96fed$c03e2400$40ba6c00$@co.uk> <496343F7.8010209@choctaw.co.uk> <001601c97010$d52c2ec0$7f848c40$@co.uk> Message-ID: <496378DC.30209@choctaw.co.uk> Hi Barry I figured I'd have to do something like this. If you've seen Jason Handby's reply this an atypical table so I'll be going for a semi automatic solution using the mySQL administrator for now. Thanks for your help. Barry Woolgar wrote: >> I am looking for a query something like UPDATE table_name >> SET * = * x 1.35 so I don't need to know field names. >> > > Ah I see what you mean, if you don't mind doing it in a couple of queries > and a bit of programming you could run a 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM table', loop > through the results to get the field names, and build your update query on > the fly. > > There is probably a more elegant way to go about this, which I'd be > interested in seeing if anyone knows it -- Kind Regards Chris Price Choctaw chris.price at choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd << ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB . United Kingdom From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Tue Jan 6 10:27:33 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:27:33 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) In-Reply-To: <7f1a8e380901060710l79fe77a5kaa6bd3b9db493d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <496336F1.4050601@choctaw.co.uk> <000701c96fed$c03e2400$40ba6c00$@co.uk> <496343F7.8010209@choctaw.co.uk> <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF02064D55@exch-be12.exchange.local> <7f1a8e380901060710l79fe77a5kaa6bd3b9db493d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49638675.90801@choctaw.co.uk> Samuel Thanks. I've not come across cursors before so that'll be interesting. I'll try it out. Samuel Warren wrote: > Jason, > not all database structures require a parent/child relationship which > necessitates foreign keys. > > Chris, > > I'm sure what your looking for can be done, probably with a cursor > (unfortunately). > > Basically This query will give you the column names: > > SELECT name FROM syscolumns > WHERE id = (SELECT id FROM sysobjects > WHERE name= '') > ORDER by colorder; > > If you drop those names into a cursor you should be able to use them to run > out Update queries from there. Never done it before, but I'm pretty sure > it's possible. -- Kind Regards Chris Price Choctaw chris.price at choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd << ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB . United Kingdom From Joel at CommonsenseEntrepreneur.com Tue Jan 6 10:37:31 2009 From: Joel at CommonsenseEntrepreneur.com (Joel D Canfield) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:37:31 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Fulltime to freelance Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40195FE8D@ireland.spinhead.com> A while back there was a lively thread 'fulltime to freelance' Someone mentioned compiling an article for evolt.org-I put it all together in a Word doc, mucked with it a bit, and then left it on my desktop to languish. If anyone would like to take what I've got (essentially the thread in chron order, tidied up quite a bit) and turn it into an article for the site, I'd be glad to pass it along. Gimme a shout offlist. Otherwise, it'll just go away quietly . . . joel -- Joel D Canfield Joel at CommonsenseEntrepreneur.com 916.771.9297 office * 916.765.1712 cell Buy My Book! http://www.commonsenseentrepreneur.com/ce/books.asp Newsletter Signup http://www.commonsenseentrepreneur.com/ce/newsletter/ From roel.mulder at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 10:43:54 2009 From: roel.mulder at gmail.com (Roel Mulder) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:43:54 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Geodata of IMO numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cda48880901060843y4e4e82ccjd15eef81e42e8a88@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Matthias, The site you mention seems weather related. I did find out the IMO itself is opposing geo data of vessels, yet the US coast guard plans it's own way : http://www.gsnmagazine.com/cms/features/news-analysis/92.html Due to piracy (not the download kind) and/or terrorism this kind of info is kept under the hat... It seems it's AIS data I'm after : http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/enav/ais/AISFAQ.htm which includes the IMO-number if available. http://www.shipais.com/ and http://www.digital-seas.com/ offer that kind of info... still digging. Roel Mulder On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Matthias Ritzkowski wrote: > Hi Roel, > > I recently surfed over here ... > > http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml > > Might be a starting point! > regards > Matthias Ritzkowski > > > > > Hi all, > Does anyone know about a database/service that can be queried for > geographic coordinates of ships/vessels? Ships are identified by a > unique IMO number. I'm looking a daily/weekly update for a few > thousand ships. > Thanks in advance, Roel Mulder > > > ------------------------------------ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 10:58:51 2009 From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:58:51 -0800 Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificate Problems In-Reply-To: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> References: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4eedb92a0901060858h48058eebwafe2b5c0cde2e1ca@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Norman Bunn wrote: > issue a warning. Could a few of you take a look at: > > https://www.palmettomastersingers.org > > with this host file entry: > > 74.52.85.233 www.palmettomastersingers.org palmettomastersingers.org > > and let me know what you see? Yep, "unrecognized CA" in both Safari and FF2/Mac. -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com From fredthejonester at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 11:22:58 2009 From: fredthejonester at gmail.com (Fred Jones) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:22:58 +0200 Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificate Problems In-Reply-To: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> References: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> Message-ID: <177c0a10901060922jab2385dj3bdba0a5ac9d0b4f@mail.gmail.com> > https://www.palmettomastersingers.org no warnings on my FF From barry at burnthebook.co.uk Tue Jan 6 11:42:51 2009 From: barry at burnthebook.co.uk (Barry Woolgar) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:42:51 -0000 Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificate Problems In-Reply-To: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> References: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> Message-ID: <001a01c97026$347cc4b0$9d764e10$@co.uk> > https://www.palmettomastersingers.org Opera says: The certificate for "www.palmettomastersingers.org" is signed by the unknown Certificate Authority "www.palmettomastersingers.org". It is not possible to verify that this is valid certificate. For some reason your server is using a self-generated certificate, not the genuine one from a real CA. Are the people who reported no problem definitely using your hosts file mod to get to the right server? Barry From rudy at r937.com Tue Jan 6 13:36:47 2009 From: rudy at r937.com (r937) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:36:47 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Increment every value in table (MySQL) Message-ID: <77EAFC3CA2004141BD9839CFBAE69680@curly> > Basically This query will give you the column names: > > SELECT name FROM syscolumns > WHERE id = (SELECT id FROM sysobjects > WHERE name= '') > ORDER by colorder; wrong DBMS ;o) ------------- rudy http://r937.com/ | http://rudy.ca/ pre-order my book "Simply SQL" from Amazon -- http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0980455251/ From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Tue Jan 6 13:47:53 2009 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:47:53 -0500 Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificate Problems In-Reply-To: <001a01c97026$347cc4b0$9d764e10$@co.uk> References: <49633C53.3030202@craftedsolutions.com> <001a01c97026$347cc4b0$9d764e10$@co.uk> Message-ID: <4963B569.8070201@craftedsolutions.com> Thanks everyone. The hosting company has acknowledged the problem and is now taking steps to fix it. Norman --- Norman W. Bunn norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com 803.405.1008 ---------------------------------------------- www.CraftedSolutions.com Crafted Solutions, Inc. Web Design & Development Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions "Get the results the Internet promises; get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!" ---------------------------------------------- From jdowdell at adobe.com Tue Jan 6 14:13:40 2009 From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:13:40 -0800 Subject: [thelist] PDF generation In-Reply-To: <20090103213722.GA24599@hank.org> References: <20090103213722.GA24599@hank.org> Message-ID: <4963BB74.4020108@adobe.com> Bill Moseley wrote: > The pdf generator must run on Linux and use text files to generate the > final pdf. One thing they are doing is generating invoices, so has to > be smart about tables, and pagination -- which I assume is not > uncommon. > > I like the idea of using html to generate the pdfs since the client is > familiar with html. But, as long as the markup isn't too obscure it > should not be too hard. I suspect that means LaTeX is not a great > option. Perhaps the cloud-based CreatePDF service? There are trials available, so you can test the invoices. http://createpdf.adobe.com/ jd/adobe From jmoyn2339 at optonline.net Tue Jan 6 15:27:25 2009 From: jmoyn2339 at optonline.net (John Moynihan) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:27:25 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Fulltime to freelance In-Reply-To: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40195FE8D@ireland.spinhead.com> References: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40195FE8D@ireland.spinhead.com> Message-ID: <005401c97045$9207d150$b61773f0$@net> Hi Joel, Sounds good...can I see your summary of the thread? Thanks, John -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Joel D Canfield Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:38 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Fulltime to freelance A while back there was a lively thread 'fulltime to freelance' Someone mentioned compiling an article for evolt.org-I put it all together in a Word doc, mucked with it a bit, and then left it on my desktop to languish. If anyone would like to take what I've got (essentially the thread in chron order, tidied up quite a bit) and turn it into an article for the site, I'd be glad to pass it along. Gimme a shout offlist. Otherwise, it'll just go away quietly . . . joel -- Joel D Canfield Joel at CommonsenseEntrepreneur.com 916.771.9297 office * 916.765.1712 cell Buy My Book! http://www.commonsenseentrepreneur.com/ce/books.asp Newsletter Signup http://www.commonsenseentrepreneur.com/ce/newsletter/ -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From judah at wiredotter.com Tue Jan 6 21:49:59 2009 From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:49:59 -0800 Subject: [thelist] PDF generation In-Reply-To: <20090103213722.GA24599@hank.org> References: <20090103213722.GA24599@hank.org> Message-ID: I'll recommend the Apache FOP project: http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/ It has a pretty simple xml-based markup and most of the xsl attributes are based off of CSS, so that styling should be pretty straight forward for most people. Outputs to PDF, RTF and PS as I recall and includes handling images as well. These days I use Coldfusion for pdf generation but if you aren't looking for the overhead of CF, go with FOP. Cheers, Judah On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Bill Moseley wrote: > I'm currently using htmldoc[1] to generate pdfs for a non-profit > client. htmldoc converts html3.2 to a pdf. It works ok, but is > pressing its limits due to its layout abilities and lack of css > support and utf8. So, looking for something better. > > The pdf generator must run on Linux and use text files to generate the > final pdf. One thing they are doing is generating invoices, so has to > be smart about tables, and pagination -- which I assume is not > uncommon. > > I like the idea of using html to generate the pdfs since the client is > familiar with html. But, as long as the markup isn't too obscure it > should not be too hard. I suspect that means LaTeX is not a great > option. > > What are you using currently for server-side PDF generation? > > Thanks, > > > > [1] http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/ > > > -- > Bill Moseley > moseley at hank.org > Sent from my iMutt > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From santilal at scorpioneng.co.nz Wed Jan 7 02:32:47 2009 From: santilal at scorpioneng.co.nz (Santilal Parbhu) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:32:47 +1300 Subject: [thelist] PHP Functions In-Reply-To: <619a2e2e0812301319g17138eb3ybf78d41263ce2ae4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. I have taken on board what you have said and reconstructed my site using just one script for each application I have. Previously I had one script per user, which meant a lot of duplication. Obviously, the present system is a lot more scalable. I have done what you suggested and passed each script mysql data and session data. I didn't know you could use session data this way (in fact I didn't really know what you would use it for). Now that I do, I can see the potential it has. Part of the problem of being self taught is that you can read all the books and web info, but often this is not enough to learn how different structure can be used. "The List" has helped me a lot to find out about different ways to use different functions. Thanks to you all again. Santilal -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jack Timmons Sent: Wednesday, 31 December 2008 10:20 a.m. To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] PHP Functions On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Santilal Parbhu wrote: > Hi Blake, Jack > > Thanks for the replies. It sounds like I have not explained what I am > trying to do very clearly. Let me try again. > > > > Thanks again for the advice. > > Santilal > > So basically you have a group of users (in the form of leagues, associations, etc) that will have access to their teams information, games, roster, etc. I really don't see how you might have to duplicate scripts. Have one script, and pass it MySQL data, Session data, etc. I assume you're using MySQL; if you're not, then a flat-file php script for each team -is- probably best. I'm also assuming you're doing includes: If not, there's a php.net file you can reference on it. .htaccess (or, even better, direct Apache configs) have abundant tutorials, many that can even be found on the Apache site [1] (I keep it bookmarked because I've had to forward it so often). I may be missing the case you are trying to make, or maybe your idea pattern is stuck in what you currently set up and it's hard for you to see what we mean. [1] - http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/htaccess.html -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jorachim at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 05:58:13 2009 From: jorachim at gmail.com (Jack Timmons) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:58:13 -0600 Subject: [thelist] PHP Functions In-Reply-To: References: <619a2e2e0812301319g17138eb3ybf78d41263ce2ae4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <619a2e2e0901070358x233cc297ne10d748b15ae820a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Santilal Parbhu wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. I have taken on board what you have said and > reconstructed my site using just one script for each application I have. > Previously I had one script per user, which meant a lot of duplication. > Obviously, the present system is a lot more scalable. > > I have done what you suggested and passed each script mysql data and > session > data. I didn't know you could use session data this way (in fact I didn't > really know what you would use it for). Now that I do, I can see the > potential it has. > > Part of the problem of being self taught is that you can read all the books > and web info, but often this is not enough to learn how different structure > can be used. "The List" has helped me a lot to find out about different > ways to use different functions. Thanks to you all again. > > Santilal > > I have a feeling most people are self-taught PHP. I learned it by tearing apart already made PHP scripts (I started with Invision Power Boards and WordPress). In those cases, you can get a lot of good ideas in what you should be using. I also found these articles below, and they helped immensely. Also, I had semi-learned C/C++ on my own before, so that kinda helped. Take a look at those articles [1] for reference. I've only been doing PHP for 3 or 4 years now, and I always try to find the most flexible and progressive way to do things (so long as it makes sense. Our world will often come up with a new method everyone things is the hot topic and then later find out something we were doing before is better.) Remember to -always- escape the mysql data being sent by the user. This little script below can go a long way towards preventing attacks: (Use GET or POST depending on how the for is set up foreach($_POST as $key=>$value) { $_POST[$key] = mysql_real_escape_string($value); } Now that may not work for every single situation, and can be expanded a lot more, but it's a start. -Jack [1] - http://devzone.zend.com/node/view/id/627 -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com From martin at easyweb.co.uk Wed Jan 7 14:53:16 2009 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:53:16 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Fulltime to freelance In-Reply-To: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40195FE8D@ireland.spinhead.com> References: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B40195FE8D@ireland.spinhead.com> Message-ID: <7D534DD9-DD58-42E0-A12F-5FE054EBEEB9@easyweb.co.uk> On 6 Jan 2009, at 16:37, Joel D Canfield wrote: > A while back there was a lively thread 'fulltime to freelance' > > Someone mentioned compiling an article for evolt.org That would have been me. Time available over the year end break: not enough, sorry. Cheers Martin -- > Spammers: Send me email -> yumyum at easyweb.co.uk to train my filter > http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/ From viggie at viggie.com Wed Jan 7 23:56:07 2009 From: viggie at viggie.com (Viggie Bala) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:26:07 +0530 Subject: [thelist] PHP Functions In-Reply-To: <619a2e2e0901070358x233cc297ne10d748b15ae820a@mail.gmail.com> References: <619a2e2e0812301319g17138eb3ybf78d41263ce2ae4@mail.gmail.com> <619a2e2e0901070358x233cc297ne10d748b15ae820a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1231394167.4157.16.camel@suse.viggie> On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 05:58 -0600, Jack Timmons wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Santilal Parbhu > wrote: > > Part of the problem of being self taught is that you can read all the books > > and web info, but often this is not enough to learn how different structure > > can be used. "The List" has helped me a lot to find out about different > > ways to use different functions. Thanks to you all again. > > > > Santilal > > > I have a feeling most people are self-taught PHP. I learned it by tearing > apart already made PHP scripts (I started with Invision Power Boards and > WordPress). In those cases, you can get a lot of good ideas in what you > should be using. > > I also found these articles below, and they helped immensely. Also, I had > semi-learned C/C++ on my own before, so that kinda helped. Take a look at > those articles [1] for reference. > I agree with Jack Timmons. Most of the experienced php developers are self-taught. Anyway I haven't seen or heard any formal php courses till last year. Having even a light exposure to programming (C/C++ or Java) will definitely help. If you entered PHP from web designing and HTML/CSS route, the best way is to get simpler open source php applications & go through the codes. Refer to books/online manuals when you hit a bump while following these codes. Wordpress is advancing but is still simpler to follow & learn from their codes. I've been into PHP for the last 6-7 years but always learn/re-learn a thing or two in PHP every now and then as I work. Add to that the CSS and Javascript/Ajax techniques, our learning process is endless and it can only be self-taught and on demand. best regards, Viggie From todd at promisingsites.com Thu Jan 8 09:25:54 2009 From: todd at promisingsites.com (Todd Richards) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:25:54 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Using a "file_ID" that hasn't been crated yet Message-ID: <09ba01c971a5$66156330$32402990$@com> Hi Everyone - I think I've been too consumed lately and am just not thinking straight. I'm working on making changes to a site using Classic ASP and SQL 2000 Server. I have a situation where I have a list of groups that are stored in a db table (aka "groups"). I am adding some articles to the database in a table called "articles" (primary key of article_ID). In the form to add/update the article, a drop down is created in which you can pick multiple groups that the article can belong to. I have a table set up called "group_articles" with two columns - group_ID and article_ID - which contains the article and the groups that it is published to. The situation is that it works great when I update the article, because the cross query can see what the article_ID is (because it's already been generated). However, when I add the new article - it doesn't work right because the cross query sees the new article as "article_ID = 0". It does work, but the group_articles table shows the correct groups associated with article_ID of 0. Makes perfect sense but is there a way to do the rs.Update, get that new article_ID, then use it to update the group_articles table? Or should I do it in two steps (create new article, then come back and publish it to a group)? I've done this successfully when my primary key is self-generated - i.e. creating a username and associating it with a group - but I can't think of the best way to do it when the system is generating the ID. Of course this all makes sense to me why it doesn't work, but I'm banging my head on seeing an obvious (or not so obvious) way to fix it. Thanks! Todd From fredthejonester at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 09:35:01 2009 From: fredthejonester at gmail.com (Fred Jones) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:35:01 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Staying Current Message-ID: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> What do people read to stay current in this business? I get ZDNet's newsletter and I have an RSS feed from Drupal (because that's what I work with) but what else do people read to stay up to date? Fred From barney.carroll at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 10:04:02 2009 From: barney.carroll at gmail.com (Barney Carroll) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:04:02 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Staying Current In-Reply-To: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <472577830901080804u34f47eb1i3a1f97e6c762458f@mail.gmail.com> This business might can cover all sorts of things, but I feel I need to keep up with UI/UX practice, web memes and tech & graphic design fads, and the world of popular development. I do this through RSS feeds to magazines and key figures' blogs, and increasingly twitter. There is one key exception which is Jakob Nielsen's Alert Box which I like to receive the email notifications for: www.useit.com RSS for magazines: #1 A List Apart : http://www.alistapart.com/rss.xml #2 QuirksBlog : http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/atom.xml #3 TypeSites : http://feeds.feedburner.com/Typesites #4 Smashing Magazine : http://feeds.feedburner.com/SmashingMagazine #5 24ways : http://feeds.feedburner.com/SmashingMagazine Blogs and Twitter aren't as objectively useful because a lot of it depends on personality. For instance, Eric Meyer and Molly Holschlag are leading figures in the world of evolving front-end technique and development, but I personally find them very hard to read. I'm just posting twitter @s here because twitter profiles contain links back to the owners' sites and people generally tweet their blog posts. #1 Tim O'Reilly : @timoreilly #2 John Resig : * * @jeresig #3 John Boardley : @ilovetypography #4 Mark Boulton : @markboulton #5 Jeffrey Zeldman : @zeldman Regards, Barney Carroll Web designer & front-end developer t: +44 (0) 7594 506 381 2009/1/8 Fred Jones > What do people read to stay current in this business? I get ZDNet's > newsletter and I have an RSS feed from Drupal (because that's what I > work with) but what else do people read to stay up to date? > > Fred > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 10:11:40 2009 From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Volkan_=D6z=E7elik?=) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:11:40 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Staying Current In-Reply-To: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Fred Jones wrote: > What do people read to stay current in this business? That depends on the business you are in. Nowaday I'm mainly investigating rich internet applications, widgets, apis, libraries, gadgets etc. Here are some of the feeds that I am subscribed to: * delicious popular (it is more useful than digg and provides more valuable links, ymmv) * a list apart * BNet management articles * designfloat * ehub * go2web20.net * killerstartups.com / onstartups.com * simplebits * ajaxian, ajaxrain, ajaxmatters * usabilitypost, uxmatters, and of course useit.com Actually I have created a bunch of links recently in my blog. Though the blog is in Turkish, the links point to English books and sites. http://www.fikribol.com/donkisot/?p=113 Hope that helps, -- Volkan Ozcelik +> Front End Architect, MessengerFX : http://www.messengerfx.com/ +> linkibol.com - in seek for quality links : http://www.linkibol.com/ +> my blog (in Turkish) : http://www.fikribol.com/donkisot/ +> Sardalya JavaScript Library : http://www.sarmal.com/sardalya/ From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 10:56:39 2009 From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:56:39 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Staying Current In-Reply-To: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4eedb92a0901080856y781f8dfdvd3b4599096027915@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Fred Jones wrote: > What do people read to stay current in this business? I get ZDNet's > newsletter and I have an RSS feed from Drupal (because that's what I > work with) but what else do people read to stay up to date? As already pointed out, "this business" is rather broad, but -- 1) various technical mailing lists, some general, some highly specific 2) Twitter -- absolutely essential. Follow the right people and you can forget about RSS feeds and such :-) FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com From nan at nanharbison.com Thu Jan 8 11:07:07 2009 From: nan at nanharbison.com (Nan Harbison) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:07:07 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Staying Current In-Reply-To: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you do any PHP development, the PHP|Architect magazine is really excellent. http://www.phparch.com/ I pay for the written version because I hate reading important stuff on a computer screen and it gives me a chance to get AWAY from my computer for a little while. Nan -----Original Message----- What do people read to stay current in this business? I get ZDNet's newsletter and I have an RSS feed from Drupal (because that's what I work with) but what else do people read to stay up to date? Fred From piva00 at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 11:36:44 2009 From: piva00 at gmail.com (Victor Augusto de Campos) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:36:44 -0200 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Events on lower-level z-indexed elements Message-ID: <1c1740550901080936l11570243ree1f58c42f363dc9@mail.gmail.com> Hey ppl, I've been trying, for a while now, to find a way to get some kind of event "transparency" on multiple layers of elements which doesn't relate between them except that one is superposed over another, and goddamnit but the only freaking document I found about it is something in the Open Ajax Alliance which opens for voting to develop a framework which handles it (you can find it here: http://www.openajax.org/runtime/wiki/Event_Transparency_API ). This document tells in its first lines that, actually, JavaScript developers need to write code to handle event transparency by their own, except for that I can't find anything which helps me to accomplish that, so I ask for anyone who ever had this kind of problem for some help. Thanks and best regards, -- Victor "pivA" Augusto de Campos From julian.rickards at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 13:12:20 2009 From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:12:20 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Staying Current In-Reply-To: References: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7613e9690901081112w5630a643hf987b427d16936e8@mail.gmail.com> I used my blog (no longer active) to post book reviews. After a couple of them, I approached publishers to provide me with books in the topic areas of my interest and most were quite willing to do so (at no cost although one would prefer to reimburse me after purchasing the book rather than sending free copies). As a result, I have read about 40 books in the last 3 years. Jules -- E-mail: julian dot rickards at gmail dot com From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Thu Jan 8 13:34:20 2009 From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:34:20 +1300 Subject: [thelist] Staying Current In-Reply-To: <7613e9690901081112w5630a643hf987b427d16936e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10901080735v6472a072oa8b7958477d62b5a@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690901081112w5630a643hf987b427d16936e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FE55112B64A5B479A534E3A6A9B344C4961F6A96F@exchmb3.net.ad.wcc.govt.nz> I agree with what has been said and add the following: Read Write Web (http://www.readwriteweb.com) Signal Vs. Noise (http://37signals.com/svn/) Vitamin (http://www.thinkvitamin.com) :) Paul From Ron.Luther at hp.com Thu Jan 8 14:48:46 2009 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:48:46 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product? Message-ID: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Hi Folks, Any suggestions for a windows registry cleaner product? My wife's laptop (Win98 I think) is running a bit sluggishly. Thanks, RonL. Not particularly useful, but http://www.flipmytext.com/ will even let you paste reversed text into plain text emails. ????? ?? '?????? From jorachim at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 14:53:45 2009 From: jorachim at gmail.com (Jack Timmons) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:45 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product? In-Reply-To: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <619a2e2e0901081253s25710c95te889583283eecde5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Luther, Ron wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > Any suggestions for a windows registry cleaner product? > > My wife's laptop (Win98 I think) is running a bit sluggishly. > > > Thanks, > RonL. > > I usually use HijackThis! But it's not an automatic cleaner, if that's what you're looking for. I don't trust those. -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com From jcorry at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 14:57:47 2009 From: jcorry at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:57:47 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product? In-Reply-To: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <272538ED-329C-4D9E-A5FA-7880C4BB8667@gmail.com> OS X has been a FANTASTIC windows registry, malware, spyware and just plain old crapware cleaner for me. MS free and LOVIN' IT! J Corry Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:48 PM, "Luther, Ron" wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > Any suggestions for a windows registry cleaner product? > > My wife's laptop (Win98 I think) is running a bit sluggishly. > > > Thanks, > RonL. > > > > Not particularly useful, but http://www.flipmytext.com/ will even > let you paste reversed text into plain text emails. > > ????? ?? '?????? > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jorachim at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 15:08:02 2009 From: jorachim at gmail.com (Jack Timmons) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:08:02 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product? In-Reply-To: <272538ED-329C-4D9E-A5FA-7880C4BB8667@gmail.com> References: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> <272538ED-329C-4D9E-A5FA-7880C4BB8667@gmail.com> Message-ID: <619a2e2e0901081308j33ad8189t4bb0a571d2c183a9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, John Corry wrote: > OS X has been a FANTASTIC windows registry, malware, spyware and just > plain old crapware cleaner for me. > > MS free and LOVIN' IT! > > J Corry > Sent from my iPhone > > I'd agree with you, but I like to do this thing called "play games", and the last Mac game I played (and liked in an odd way) was Oregon Trail. But, I do believe this whole topic is OT for The List (I'm not sure, so please feel free to let me know), and might serve better on The Chat. There, we can discuss the fact Mac doesn't have virus because it first copied Linux, and then tack on the fact only artists/musicians use it, and they don't have time to write viruses. (Also, let's ignore the fact MacBook had a security vulnerability in it's aircard at one point that allowed you to hack the computer even if it was turned off.) :D If I'm wrong about the OT and this is allowed, let me know, so I can define the rules better in my head. -Jack -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com From Ron.Luther at hp.com Thu Jan 8 15:25:08 2009 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:25:08 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product? In-Reply-To: <619a2e2e0901081308j33ad8189t4bb0a571d2c183a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> <272538ED-329C-4D9E-A5FA-7880C4BB8667@gmail.com> <619a2e2e0901081308j33ad8189t4bb0a571d2c183a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338F54@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Jack Timmons suggested 'hijackthis' and also asked: >>But, I do believe this whole topic is OT for The List (I'm not >>sure, so please feel free to let me know), and might serve better on The Chat. Hi Jack, First off, thanks for the suggestion! I will be checking that software out. I agree that this topic is, (at a minimum), borderline OT for thelist since it does not directly relate to web development. [Hence my lame last, and now more useful current 'tips'.] However, I personally felt that this was even _more_ OT for thechat since my question was more in the style of a 'work' type dilemma you might ask a co-worker in the office than the kind of 'play' time, non-work discussions we generally have over on thechat. A fence-straddling thread if you will. Thanks, RonL. When you are creating a vlookup equation in a cell that you intend to copy across a wider range of cells, you might want to have your reference data sitting off in a separate spreadsheet. That way you no longer need to remember to toggle through the F4 function key when setting the range, because Excel will automagically insert a full set of '$'s that will retain range integrity as you copy the equation across more cells. From ekm at seastorm.com Thu Jan 8 15:43:23 2009 From: ekm at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:43:23 -0800 Subject: [thelist] list guidelines (was Re: Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product?) In-Reply-To: <272538ED-329C-4D9E-A5FA-7880C4BB8667@gmail.com> References: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> <272538ED-329C-4D9E-A5FA-7880C4BB8667@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4966737B.2080604@seastorm.com> from the circa 1998 source on thelist: http://lists.evolt.org/index.php?content=listinfo "Anything that relates to Web development is up for discussion." so... Everything else requires a ... an informal addendum: OS vs OS flamebait requires two tips. Any OT post about Texas requires an extra-large tip. ;) ALL of these posts would have been on-topic for thechat; only posts relating to web development are OT for the chat. HTH! Erika From todd at promisingsites.com Thu Jan 8 15:44:10 2009 From: todd at promisingsites.com (Todd Richards) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:44:10 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product? In-Reply-To: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <015601c971da$3d934280$b8b9c780$@com> Hi Ron - I prefer CCleaner (http://www.ccleaner.com/). You can have as much, or as little, control as you would like. Plus it's free! Todd -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Luther, Ron Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 2:49 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product? Hi Folks, Any suggestions for a windows registry cleaner product? My wife's laptop (Win98 I think) is running a bit sluggishly. Thanks, RonL. Not particularly useful, but http://www.flipmytext.com/ will even let you paste reversed text into plain text emails. ????? ?? '?????? -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jorachim at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 15:55:33 2009 From: jorachim at gmail.com (Jack Timmons) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:55:33 -0600 Subject: [thelist] list guidelines (was Re: Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product?) In-Reply-To: <4966737B.2080604@seastorm.com> References: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> <272538ED-329C-4D9E-A5FA-7880C4BB8667@gmail.com> <4966737B.2080604@seastorm.com> Message-ID: <619a2e2e0901081355x30d5002o69ffab55eea8e25e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Erika Meyer wrote: > from the circa 1998 source on thelist: > http://lists.evolt.org/index.php?content=listinfo > "Anything that relates to Web development is up for discussion." > > so... > Everything else requires a ... > > an informal addendum: > > OS vs OS flamebait requires two tips. > Any OT post about Texas requires an extra-large tip. ;) > > ALL of these posts would have been on-topic for thechat; > only posts relating to web development are OT for the chat. > > HTH! > > Erika > > I will adhere to your advise faithfully, then, and thank you. I signed up on the list because of css-d, and hadn't had a chance to view the sites. Much appreciated! -Jack Using pre-made CSS resets are great, but they never beat ones made specifically for your site. Like that? -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com From jcorry at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 16:15:06 2009 From: jcorry at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:15:06 -0500 Subject: [thelist] list guidelines (was Re: Best Windows Registry Cleaner Product?) In-Reply-To: <4966737B.2080604@seastorm.com> References: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB16D0338EF2@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> <272538ED-329C-4D9E-A5FA-7880C4BB8667@gmail.com> <4966737B.2080604@seastorm.com> Message-ID: Whoops, sorry! http://html2fpdf.sourceforge.net Need to output PDFs from your PHP application? Eventually, you'll probably need tables and support for HTML content. The best solution I've found is html2pdf. It's based on fpdf, which is free, open source software and supports the largest variety of HTML tags with the least amount of headaches of any of the classes I tried. Wanting to delve into the wonderful world of object oriented programming with PHP? I highly recommend the PHP Object Generator: http://www.phpobjectgenerator.com/ Just describe your database, tell it which version of PHP you're using and which DB abstraction layer your want and submit...the base classes you need for interacting with the DB are created for you, saving loads of time that would otherwise be spend on repetitive work. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Erika Meyer wrote: > from the circa 1998 source on thelist: > http://lists.evolt.org/index.php?content=listinfo > "Anything that relates to Web development is up for discussion." > > so... > Everything else requires a ... > > an informal addendum: > > OS vs OS flamebait requires two tips. ... From moseley at hank.org Thu Jan 8 18:18:56 2009 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:18:56 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Site Check Message-ID: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> Looking for the usual constructive comments. Design, layout, accessibility, what you would do differently, etc: http://ithenticate.com/ The bulk of the site requires logging in, but it's the non-authenticated pages (which there's only a few) that I'm asking about. Comments on the 404 page would be great, too. Thanks, -- Bill Moseley moseley at hank.org Sent from my iMutt From morrison.ben at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 18:20:00 2009 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:20:00 +0000 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Events on lower-level z-indexed elements In-Reply-To: <1c1740550901080936l11570243ree1f58c42f363dc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c1740550901080936l11570243ree1f58c42f363dc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6073aef90901081620s56f6ad65s1ab6e374a73b8398@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Victor Augusto de Campos wrote: > Hey ppl, > I've been trying, for a while now, to find a way to get some kind of > event "transparency" on multiple layers of elements which doesn't > relate between them except that one is superposed over another, and > goddamnit but the only freaking document I found about it is something > in the Open Ajax Alliance which opens for voting to develop a > framework which handles it ... Maybe you could start with what you are trying to accomplish, a basic test page with the issues you have is always a great help for us. ben -- Ben Morrison From barney.carroll at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 18:26:20 2009 From: barney.carroll at gmail.com (Barney Carroll) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:26:20 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Site Check In-Reply-To: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> References: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> Message-ID: <472577830901081626q4d2e836j3d623b5275ef1ebb@mail.gmail.com> Very nice stuff! I would mention the fact that there is a background misalignment between the #page_container and the body, which is solved by giving an extra pixel to the top margin of #page_container. Aside from that you might consider a slightly darker tone for the logo and the right-aligned strapline to give some distinction to the header ? and some of the longer pages might benefit from in-page navigation panels with href=# links, but these are more aesthetic opinions. Good work. Regards, Barney Carroll Web designer & front-end developer t: +44 (0) 7594 506 381 2009/1/9 Bill Moseley > Looking for the usual constructive comments. Design, layout, > accessibility, what you would do differently, etc: > > http://ithenticate.com/ > > The bulk of the site requires logging in, but it's the > non-authenticated pages (which there's only a few) that I'm asking about. > > Comments on the 404 page would be great, too. > > Thanks, > > -- > Bill Moseley > moseley at hank.org > Sent from my iMutt > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From moseley at hank.org Thu Jan 8 18:46:05 2009 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:46:05 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Site Check In-Reply-To: <472577830901081626q4d2e836j3d623b5275ef1ebb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> <472577830901081626q4d2e836j3d623b5275ef1ebb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090109004605.GB3761@hank.org> On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 12:26:20AM +0000, Barney Carroll wrote: > I would mention the fact that there is a background misalignment between the > #page_container and the body, which is solved by giving an extra pixel to > the top margin of #page_container. I guess I'm not seeing the issue -- but I'm using FF/Linux to view. > Aside from that you might consider a slightly darker tone for the > logo and the right-aligned strapline to give some distinction to the > header ? and some of the longer pages might benefit from in-page > navigation panels with href=# links, but these are more aesthetic > opinions. Good suggestions, thanks! -- Bill Moseley moseley at hank.org Sent from my iMutt From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com Thu Jan 8 18:56:04 2009 From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:56:04 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Site Check In-Reply-To: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> References: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> Message-ID: <4966A0A4.5000308@googlemail.com> On 9/1/09 00:18, Bill Moseley wrote: > Looking for the usual constructive comments. Design, layout, > accessibility, what you would do differently, etc: > > http://ithenticate.com/ Testing (mainly) in Firefox 3 Mac: I like the design. Here's some accessibility quibbles: + Keyboard focus * No keyboard focus indication on the Login button, the Tour tabs, or the "Contact Us" button on the Tour page. * Keyboard focus on homepage "Take a Tour" and "Contact Us" buttons and Login page "Contact us" button includes their drop shadow. Implementation is nicer on "Send Request" button on the Contact page. * Would be nice if the focused tab in the main navigation were emphasised by mimicking the hover highlight. + Text equivalents Why is the alt text of the quote source graphics things like "Quote Cross Check" rather than "Quote from Cross Check"? + Progressive enhancement While JS might be required for using the service itself, I'm not really clear why it's required for the tour. It's best not to send users off configuring their browser settings when you're trying to sell them something. ;) + CSS background-image text replacement You get bonus points for using a technique that displays the text when user colors are enforced or images are off in Firefox, but it still breaks in Opera's High Contrast View (since this applies a background color to the positioned div over the logo). -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis From jorachim at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 19:07:30 2009 From: jorachim at gmail.com (Jack Timmons) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:07:30 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Site Check In-Reply-To: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> References: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> Message-ID: <619a2e2e0901081707u5f1b5fb4i9e67448f38ef2705@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Bill Moseley wrote: > Looking for the usual constructive comments. Design, layout, > accessibility, what you would do differently, etc: > > http://ithenticate.com/ > > The bulk of the site requires logging in, but it's the > non-authenticated pages (which there's only a few) that I'm asking about. > > Comments on the 404 page would be great, too. > > Thanks, > > -- > Bill Moseley > moseley at hank.org > Sent from my iMutt > It looks well enough (I've never been a big fan of roundy-stuff, but that's just me.) IE is experiencing effects with the background, as mentioned before. Throwing in some hasLayout triggers seemed to help: since I'm getting kids fed, I couldn't test accurately, but adding some hasLayout triggers to the holding containers seems to fix things. -Jack -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com From david at chelseacreekstudio.com Thu Jan 8 19:19:41 2009 From: david at chelseacreekstudio.com (David Laakso) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:19:41 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Site Check In-Reply-To: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> References: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> Message-ID: <4966A62D.70001@chelseacreekstudio.com> Bill Moseley wrote: > Looking for the usual constructive comments. Design, layout, > accessibility, what you would do differently, etc: > > http://ithenticate.com/ > > The bulk of the site requires logging in, but it's the > non-authenticated pages (which there's only a few) that I'm asking about. > > Comments on the 404 page would be great, too. > > Thanks, > > Ditch the rivers :-) . -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ From barney.carroll at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 19:47:50 2009 From: barney.carroll at gmail.com (Barney Carroll) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:47:50 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Site Check In-Reply-To: <4966A62D.70001@chelseacreekstudio.com> References: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> <4966A62D.70001@chelseacreekstudio.com> Message-ID: <472577830901081747i37a9dad4wf47e70060f5046fa@mail.gmail.com> For the record re:background misalignment, I'm using FF3/Win ? but I'm still perplexed as to how FF3/Unix would see it any differently ( http://barneycarroll.com/billsbackgrounds.jpg). And I'm seeing exactly the same thing on Safari + Chrome. I guess the whole thing relies on an optical illusion so the mismatch may be hard to see, but go into firebug and add that extra pixel to the margin just to see what changes ? it might take that to see the difference. Quoting:Ben Hawkes-Lewis It's best not to send users off configuring their browser settings when you're trying to sell them something. ;) What, you mean turning JS off? I know, very hard to find for 99% of internet users ;) Regards, Barney Carroll Web designer & front-end developer t: +44 (0) 7594 506 381 2009/1/9 David Laakso > Bill Moseley wrote: > > Looking for the usual constructive comments. Design, layout, > > accessibility, what you would do differently, etc: > > > > http://ithenticate.com/ > > > > The bulk of the site requires logging in, but it's the > > non-authenticated pages (which there's only a few) that I'm asking about. > > > > Comments on the 404 page would be great, too. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Ditch the rivers :-) . > > > -- > > A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. > > http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From moseley at hank.org Thu Jan 8 19:49:36 2009 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:49:36 -0800 Subject: [thelist] Site Check In-Reply-To: <4966A0A4.5000308@googlemail.com> References: <20090109001856.GA3761@hank.org> <4966A0A4.5000308@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <20090109014936.GE3761@hank.org> On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 12:56:04AM +0000, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: > * No keyboard focus indication on the Login button, the Tour tabs, or > the "Contact Us" button on the Tour page. > * Keyboard focus on homepage "Take a Tour" and "Contact Us" buttons and > Login page "Contact us" button includes their drop shadow. > Implementation is nicer on "Send Request" button on the Contact page. > * Would be nice if the focused tab in the main navigation were > emphasised by mimicking the hover highlight. Excellent points. > + Progressive enhancement > > While JS might be required for using the service itself, I'm not really > clear why it's required for the tour. It's best not to send users off > configuring their browser settings when you're trying to sell them > something. ;) Beats me -- I think that's a copy-n-paste problem from the tour javascript utility. The point of doing the tour with js is so it would degrade just fine. I'll kill the