richard, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Richard H. Morris <richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk> : : Take a look at our site at http://www.web-designers.co.uk and then at the : following URL: : http://www.cracinfo.com/crac3/cadre.html :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 404 Not Found sorry, i didn't see a similarity. *grin* you sure that url is right? also, just a personal gripe, but your site tried to set a cookie (i'm not kidding, i actually emptied my cache and visited again to count) 40 times before the front page was done loading. if i wasn't trying to see what you were talking about in this instance, i would have moved on. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org