FWIW: Opera ( http://www.operasoftware.com/ ) just come out with Opera 5, this time free (add supported. pay to get rid of them). I wonder if this will actually increase there user base? Shoshannah Forbes -- Hebrew services for site owners http://www.bool.co.il Moderator, site builder forum http://forums.nana.co.il/forum.asp?id=17 Personal site: http://www.forbes.co.il