I defer to the site of another member of this group (I believe) for the answer to that question :) http://www.poorbuthappy.com/colombia/ Look at the bottom of every page. According to his research, he's had good luck with it. On the other hand, there's the minimalist approach. What are the chances people really NEED to know all of the other pages on the site at the same time? Don't you think they'll probably be looking for a certain specific topic? What about a short list of "related topics/pages" higher up with a site map at the bottom? Script a little solution to record which navigation elements are used more frequently.. :) I understand the dilemna... I'm not sure what's better either.. ubiquitous one-click availability or tightened focus. Jacob Stetser <jake.stetser at headhunter.net> Website Development Manager Headhunter.net P: 770.349.2906 -----Original Message----- From: Richard H. Morris [mailto:richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 4:27 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Cc: neuro at well.com Subject: RE: [thelist] scrolling news tickers William Anderson [neuro at well.com] wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > probably achieve with a drop-down selector. > > yuck > > read why this is bad: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20001112.html Yep. Been there, read that. OK, how would you suggest - on every single page where the content is most important - that a user can be presented with a clickable list of every page on a 120 page web site? This must work in the most up to date browsers on each platform together with the immediate-last generation browsers (the 4.* series ones) and recent versions of say Opera. There is an option of having an include page listing each page in an hierarchical menu tree, but not in this case as it would take away screen space for the main body text in each page.