>I actually just found out about a product/company called pulse3d (allegedly >started by some former Macromedia folks) that is kind of neat. >I don't know how useful it is, aside from doing solely animation (as opposed >to a user interface), but it seems to load pretty fast, all things >considered. yes it's neat, but, pulse is a format that can only be authored by their own software (god that was an awful sentence!) on a wintel system. there's cult3d (http://www.cult3d.com) but that can also only be authored on a wintel machine. but the authoring software is free(though you have to build the models in 3d studio max or maya) (browser plugins for mac and wintel and linux and whatever). and it works great. then there's the metastream format (http://www.metastream.com) but their plugin is wintel only (they say that a mac version will come soon . . . . . and have said so many many moons ago). if i was to go for 3d on the web i would go for cult3d, the programmers are great and given that the browser plugins exist both for the wintel and mac . . . . // chris bell - still waiting for spring and that the temperature will rise above 0C -- ====================================================================== This message is written by a Scotsman, born in London, living in Sweden, sitting at an American computer manufactured in Ireland, with French software on a Japanese screen.