<snip> recommend any sites that have a good layout and generally good web design techniques? </snip> for an instructional point of view on this topic, you may want to take a look at: http://websitesthatsuck.com/ http://www.lynda.com (look under "Inspiration" for links to what she considers well-designed sites within various topics) a non-commercial site that I think is designed well: http://glassdog.com ditto for this commercial site: http://www.nature.com/nature/ (Nature Science Journals) ~~ Candy A. Johnson-Eich Project Manager/Producer, eMarketing Group 312.981.6492 http://www.flairemarketing.com Flair Communications Agency, Inc. 214 West Erie Street Chicago, IL 60610