[thelist] The dreaded frameset

Green, Janet JGreen at DesMoinesMetro.com
Mon Mar 19 11:17:00 CST 2001

Laura, for what it's worth, this addresses a different part of your problem.
If you need a compelling argument for your employer on avoiding framesets,
please visit our site at www.desmoinesmetro.com. This is an award-winning
site which is meeting and beating virtually ALL of its economic development
objectives, BUT it is impossible for me to direct people to a specific page
because, of course, those direct URL's will not load in the frameset - and
it's the frameset that has all our branding. What I have to do is say
something like this: go to desmoinesmetro.com, click "skip intro," then
click on "work," then click on... etc etc etc - if the page they are looking
for is a couple layers down, it gets confusing and I'd be surprised if they
ever took the time to visit the page. The site was built before I came on
board, and I think it has some very strong points, but the use of frames
just drives me batty in this case.


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[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Laura Lynch
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:03 PM
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Subject: [thelist] The dreaded frameset

Hi, how y'all doin', etc. and so much for the niceties.

I've just started at a new ad company as *the* web person, taking over from
a video guy who, while very nice and good at what he does, is not very web
savvy. The art director is print focused, which exacerbates the 'problem'
(yes, yes, I'm getting to it). Basically, the client has a live site and
requested a redesign. The mock-ups for the redesign were done and approved
before I came on board. The approved design will require frames, and is a
real PITA to get lined up properly (one of the client's favorite elements is
a gradient on the left, bottom and right of one of the frames). I have an
alternate design to show them (it incorporates the design elements they like
but uses a tear off secondary menu instead of a framed secondary menu -- the
cause of the need for frames), which is all fine and good and working
fabulously, but I'm afraid they'll want to stick with the framed version for
whatever reason. And now the problems (code below):
-I can't get the frames to stay butted together at the top left. As I resize
the browser, they come apart.
- In Netscape (Mac -- haven't check PC yet {don't get me started} but IIRC
the same bug exists in both) when I resize, all CSS information is lost
until refresh. This doesn't happen with other CSS dependent sites I've
built, so I assume it's a problem with Netscape's handling of frames.

Any remedies?

Code for the framesets:
initial frameset:
<frameset frameborder="NO" framespacing="0"framecolor="#336699" border="0"
marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" rows="50,395">
<frame name="topNav" src="nav/topnav1.html" scrolling="no" frameborder="NO"
marginheight="0" marginwidth="0"  border="0" noresize>
<frame name="main" src="frontpage/frontpage.html" scrolling="auto"
frameborder="NO" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0"  border="0" noresize>

frameset which is then placed in the 'main' frame (yes, I've also done it as
a hard frameset and ran into the same problems):
<frameset frameborder="0"  border="0" rows="395,*">
<frameset cols="158,*">
<frame name="ecoNav" src="perpcal/nav_perpcal.html" scrolling="yes">
<frame name="ecoMain" src="perpcal/perpcal1.html" scrolling="auto">
<frame name="expander" src="blank.html" scrolling="no">


Laura Lynch
New Media Designer
Corporate Styles, Inc.
11 Farview Terrace
Paramus, NJ 07652
Fax: 201-587-1234 
(a.k.a. cyberminkie at cyberwhirled.com for those of you following along)

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