I am trying to redesign a site that has a complex table structure. I am trying to simplify it a little and am experimenting with various issues. I am having some mental blocks in trying to solve what I thought was a simple problem. On this protopage: http://www.humguide.com/testguide/index.html I can't seem to get the inner table moved all the way to the top to match the 2 pixel cellpadding from the outer table that appears around the rest of the inner table. I also can't seem to figure out why the top row of the inner table with the logo in it does not span the entire table but leaves a large margin on the right. I am playing with these layouts in Dreamweaver and when I get them right I will convert them into a php driven pages. In Dreamweaver (4.0, Mac) these table anomalies don't show up. But once previewed in the browser they do.