> On this protopage: http://www.humguide.com/testguide/index.html > > I can't seem to get the inner table moved all the way to the top to match > the 2 pixel cellpadding from the outer table that appears around the rest > of the inner table. > lines 211-215 you have </tr> <br> <br> <!--end table6: white inner content--> <tr> those <br>s are putting the space at the top. > I also can't seem to figure out why the top row of the inner table with the > logo in it does not span the entire table but leaves a large margin > on the right. Almost certainly a colspanning problem. Somewhere in there you have one too many TDs. Turn your table borders on and take a look. > I am playing with these layouts in Dreamweaver and when I get them right I will > convert them into a php driven pages. In Dreamweaver (4.0, Mac) these table > anomalies don't show up. But once previewed in the browser they do. :) DW is a wysiwym (what you see is what you mean) editor My advice: get a print out of your design (if it looks the way you want it to in IE then screenshot it and print it out from there). Now start deconstructing it - take a ruler and pen, and draw in your tables. Plan your layout on paper, *then* pick up dreamweaver/homesite/whatever and put the code together for this layout. And *then* you can move your old content over into the new framework. (careful copy paste) In this case I still think you have too many tables. The blue/teal border could be a) set in css b) set up in the top row (TR) and rowspanned all the way down to the botton. this dispenses with the outer table altogether. anyhow, hth Sam > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !