terry, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Terry Fowler : : > IE needs document.body.clientWidth. : : In the spirit of "Give a man a fish, feed : him for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll : never show up for work," how did you know it : was clientWidth? Where should I have looked? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ for ie related things, *always* check msdn first: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/c-frame.htm?/workshop/author/ everything you probably ever wanted to know is under "dhtml reference" in the left hand navigation. good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org