sandy, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Sandy Sherman : : Hmmmm.....thanks guys......I'm concerned about : this solution because the ONE image my client : is complaining about is a gif, but rather large. : ......and adding another frame will drastically : increase load time. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ the size increase of adding a first frame that's all transparent will be hardly noticeable. i encourage you to go for it. good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org