[thelist] Site redirect check : old browser

martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com
Tue Jun 5 08:12:47 CDT 2001

Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers

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One of the chief benefits of separating content from presentation
with templates is that you can change the presentation wrapping
on the fly, as well as when you implement a redesign.

2 useful situations when this is useful:
1) Printer-friendly versions (even to the extent of using pt, rather than
   in stylesheets). Examples:

2) Different templates for different browsers, so that you don't need
   to upset users of earlier browsers or platforms which render type
   at different sizes.

It's kind of what I'm angling at here:


Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org

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Subject:  RE: [thelist] Site redirect check : old browser

> Actually, what I am doing is coding to standards designed to separate
> style from content (HTML 4.01, CSS (including CSSP), ECMA and DOM).
> My objective is to fully separate design from content (that includes
> using no tables to achieve positioning of major design elements) to
> get the massive benefit that brings from a maintenance and redesign
> point of view.

maybe i'm the only one who thinks this way, but sites like evolt.org
are *completely* separating style from content... the data is
wrapped into a template, and the articles contain no HTML other
than structural HTML to mark-up the article... we changed
templates and the whole thing was a new design... and we could
slap a new template on there and it would be new again...

so how is the style not separated from the content on evolt.org?

i understand your argument, but it parrots the ALA/WaSP
arguments too much, without addressing the holes in their
arguments... why did *you* choose to take such a radical
approach?  do you understand that you can write to HTML 2.0 and
still have content and style separate?  in fact, if it was truly
separate, you should be able to slap a new template on that page
and show us...

> I am coding beyond concern for older browsers (actually opera 511 has
> probs with some of the code in the site as well!).  However, I care
> about those older browsers - enough so that they don't try and render
> the "latest standards compliant" site.  I don't want them to get JS

how is that caring?  you've told them to bugger off... if you cared,
you'd let *them* decide, not dictate to them...

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