Hi everyone, This topic appears to be evolving into a disabilities design question, so before it does I'd like to summarise a couple of points people have raised so far: 1) redirects are sometimes warranted, however when they are done they should be done server side to avoid issues with the back button and to get greater reliability. 2) redirects for moved content or various form submission responses. The question still remains - is a redirect appropriate for sites which don't cater for certain categories of visitors, whether browser or some other factor is the determinant. For example, flash only sites and text based browsers. Or, sites designed for Win and any Mac user. >-----Original Message----- >From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Martin > >(2) This section does not render it unlawful to discriminate against a >person on the ground of the person¹s disability if the provision of the >goods >or services, or making facilities available, would impose unjustifiable >hardship on the person who provides the goods or services or makes the >facilities available. > > >I don't think avoiding event listeners would cause unjustifiable >hardship... > >Cheers >Martin > I don't think not coding a base font size, avoiding nested tables and avoiding using colour to indicate incorrect information entered into a form would cause unjustifiable hardship either. What's your point? Are you suggesting that I shouldn't use event listeners because it won't be accessible? event listeners on the ranger site are used for effects which sighted users expect. It is still useable (mostly) without js (actually it is getting more usable all the time thanks to suggestions from .jeff) The same can't be said of the fact that I've taken the underlines off the links and identified them with a colour change - fine for sighted users but not very helpful if you are colour blind. (Now I've thought of that I'm going to change that). I'm not thrilled about the use of images for the nav menu either - to try and allow for that each A tag has a title, each img has an alt and they are the same - I thought this would help people with aural browsers understand what was happening. Flash nav menus must be a problem for aural browsers - are you suggesting nobody should use those? The internet is a global medium - I think that quoting Australian legislation is only part of the story. Even if the Australian legislation is the most restrictive (ha - Australian politicians think they can ban online gambling) isn't the issue that sites need to cater for all global legislation - there is a possibility that the owners of a website could be sued by anyone anywhere? (As designers in the public sphere, how are you allowing for that?) Are we getting to the stage where browser differences will be the least of the worries and catering for people with disabilities - most of which you can't test for - will be the real issue. Will the first page of every site effectively be a page leading to all the various alternatives - large font, no color, which browser etc? hmmm - I think I'd better start learning a couple of server side languages! > This email may be confidential and contain commercially sensitive information. Only the intended recipient may access or use it. If you are not the intended recipient please delete this email and notify us promptly. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or similar in this email or any attachment.