[thelist] Old Browsers old Software, cut bait and move on.
aardvark
roselli at earthlink.net
Thu Jul 12 01:33:01 CDT 2001
> From: "Mark Cheng" <mark.cheng at ranger.com.au>
> >
> >the phone was brand new... what's so new about your site?
> >hypertext was brand new, are you not using it? the light bulb? is
> >your site navigation and content *that* revolutionary that you would
> >compare it to a light bulb?
>
> What about the DOM? From my brief flirt with the DOM it appears that
> having it makes it a hell of a lot easier to build user customisable
> pages. Eg sorting lists/columns etc. If a web designer is going to
> present an objective view, surely they need to present an overview of
> the things you can't do if you cater for older browsers. Also, DOM
> manipulation can easily be done client side, taking the load off the
> client server.
*the* DOM? like there haven't been DOMs before?
either way, yes, you can do that, and in *applications* and the like
it's great... but again, we started by talking about transactional e-
comm sites...
are you doing all that DOM manipulation to have a user go from
your product page to an order receipt, leaving their cc info along the
way? why not? probably because it isn't *necessary*... so if you
don't need that, then why *can't* that e-commerce piece work for
all browsers?
> As a couple of people have said, a web designers job is to educate,
> and provide objective views. Well, do that. Tell clients that you
> can have a client side page sort, reshuffle layout, whatever, if they
> are willing to go with the Gen 5.
even if they don't need it? again, keep in mind the context, it's not
necessary for a cart... for an overall site, sure, but usually those
'features' are just eye-candy and don't add too much to the
function... if it's truly an online app, then you're talking
intra/extranet, where you actually have some control over your
users...
> >no, it's a *web* page, and people have certain expectations, certain
> >usability rules still apply, and old-school marketing tactics about
> >customer loyalty still rule...
>
> Change useability to accessability and I agree with you.
you should agree with it as usability, too... why wouldn't Fitt's Law
apply on a web page? well, it does...
> >don't insult 'em, don't kick 'em out, and keep 'em happy...
>
> If you are referring to clients - I agree. Potential clients (users)
> are a dime a dozen. Everyone is a potential client and while most
> business would love to have everyone as a client, most couldn't handle
> more than say, 500,000 actual clients.
if you feel every user/customer at a site is a dime a dozen, they
will sense it and feel undervalued... customers are good at finding
sites that act like they appreciate their time/business/patronage...
again, old-world marketing still applies...
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but i liked it so much i put it on a billboard. is that bad?
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