<own horn toot="on"> heh. i was geek of the week back in 98 (i think) using the pseudonym "Hugh Mann" http://www.hotwired.com/members/98/23/index0a.html got a free tee-shirt :\ </own horn> I'll be signing up here ;) > cool too. Here you go.... > > http://www.webhack.com/?src=geek <tip> while the default border on tables in netscape is 0, unless you specifically designate border="0" it will still render a 1 (?) pixel space between all data cells. this is of particular importance on pixel perfect table layouts. </tip>