the *installer* for the plugin is 360k, it downloads 11Mb of files during the install, none of them optional :o( (I promise to include a tip next time, my brain is fried from doing all sorts of annoying drag & drop javascript stuff all day) -- Lindsay Evans. Production Artist/Coder, Red Square Productions. vox: 8596.4000 fax: 8596.4001 web: www.redsquare.com.au