[thelist] site critique please

[kristina]

rudy,

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: i.e. if you end up on a page and the nav bar shows a live
: link for that page, it makes you wonder if you're really on
: that page
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 agreed, and the only sure way out of this is to remove the frame from
 the equation - at one stage of the design for this site i did exactly
 that - had no frames, and as soon as i showed my boss - he went off
 on 'one' and insisted i put the frames back - and unfortunately i am
 completely hopeless in any kind of confrontational situation...
 
> <tip>
> always check your sites in netscape 3 --
> it runs fast, loads pages quickly, and shows you the
> typical problems that visitors to your site will have
> who use unconventional browsers...
> granted, most site visitors will have conventional
> browsers (capable of javascript, css, whatever)
> but you also want your site to "work" in stripped-down
> browsers, e.g. on cellphones, pda's, webtv, etc.
> </tip>

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: i really like the fixed background, those are
: very hard to keep unobtrusive, yours succeeds
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thank you, i had problems with the size of their logo - the vertical
space it took up was amazing, so i ended up reducing the size of the
logo and increasing the size of the text - i was then concerned that i
wasn't giving the logo enough emphasis so i added it to the background

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: i'm not nuts about the blocks of text on the landlords page
: (the solid green ones are too sombre) -- on the
: tenants page the blocks are quite distracting, but on the
: properties available page, they look great
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comments duly noted

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: if your client is at the wow-i-can-attach-that-to-an-email stage
: then perhaps you can mention that site visitors may not be
: able to bookmark individual pages because of the frames
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the client will simply say 'then why did you do it in the first
place, its your job to know these things'... iucwim!
 
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: let the client convince your boss -- if you try to do it, he or she
: may simply raise the drawbridge further...
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 my boss will not listen at all!  he will not (even for an instant)
 entertain the idea of why anyone would not want to use frames...  its
 soo frustrating

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: some people like the idea of a nav bar that's always visible,
: and i like to counter this thinking by pointing out that if the page
: is long and the nav bar scrolls up out of sight, it can be
: retrieved simply by hitting the Home key on the keyboard, which
: anybody who has even a modicum of computer experience
: will already know (thus subtly calling into question the experience
: of the person who wants the nav bar to always be visible --
: of course, this strategy could backfire if you don't handle it carefully)
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 heheh - i'm ashamed to admit i didn't know that...  (learn summat
 everyday doncha!) ;o)
 
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: another thing about frames, yours as well, is that if the window isn't
: maximized, the nav bar frame often gets a scrollbar (try it)
: which makes the page look really klunky and amateurish
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 it does you're totally right - i think you should speak to my boss -
 lol ;o)
 
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: good luck
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 ;o) thanks

 thanks for all your comments all duly noted

-- 
bfn
 kristina                      

kristina at kfx-design.co.uk


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