[thelist] MSN locks out non IE browsers

[Daniel J. Cody]

.jeff wrote:

> dan,
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>>From: Daniel J. Cody
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>>its not, and i gave just as much shit to them.(wasp)
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> that doesn't answer my question though.  sure, you can give them shit, but
> why do they have to answer to you?
 

they don't answer to me. they answer to the community

 
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>>give me a specific example when IE got shut out of
>>netscape.com.
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> not shut out, but highly annoyed by an "upgrade to netscape" popup window
> with every page view.  that's the one that comes immediately to mind.


exactly. shut out and seeing content with a popup is different than no 
content. common...



> you're right.  we don't.  however, my point is that part of our headache day


MSN.com validates and is viewable. its not that they're making it easier 
for themsevles. if they were, why not serve up the msn.com site from a 
week ago?(i'd assume MS has presentation and style divided) they're 
simply shutting out browsers they don't want.


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>>can you guarantee that every client is running IE?
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> depends on the audience.  if it's an intranet, yeah.
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> if it's an established site check the logs.


what intranet shuts out - *completely* - different browsers? no intranet 
gives a message saying ' upgrade as of today to X'.


> yes it is easy?  that doesn't address either of my questions.  yes it is
> easy because you know how their publishing system works and you know what it
> takes to change the html it outputs?  or yes it is easy because you said it
> is easy?
 

yes its easy. they're not choosing to include browsers into their site. 
they're choosing to exclude browsers. its more difficult to exclude than 
  to include.

 
>>and why do you hear it so much? ..ahhhhh!
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> because it's cliche?

seriously. if you want, i can give you at least 15 examples of this in 
the real world. 'cliches' become cliches for a reason.

 
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>>sure, it may be a lot of people think 'so for their own
>>reasons'. the fact is, when you buy a new computer, as
>>of today, you don't get to think on your own. you get
>>what MS gives you.
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> provided you *choose* to buy a computer with windows as the os, right?
> considering you can either build a system yourself and install whatever os
> you decide or you can purchase a pre-built system with a non-windows os, i
> fail to see how this is a problem.


come on! point me to a major computer company that I can *CHOOSE* to not 
have windows installed.

oops.


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>>haha.. do you even realize that the vast amount of shit
>>doesn't come *FROM* hotmail accounts, only *to* it?
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> yes, i realize that.  i was working from the idea that hotmail could charge
> 3 cents per email for email outside of hotmail.com to be sent to its users.


so if you have a hotmail account, you're willing to pay three cents an 
email from accounts outside of hotmail? manage this list for 2 days and 
you'll see the problems with msn.com email.


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>>i can give 20 example of *family* members who signed up
>>for hotmail accounts only to have X spam emails 2 days
>>later, without giving their new email acccount away.
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> the same thing has happened to me and lots of other people i know.  hotmail
> has a *huge* user base.  it's a good target for pattern matching spam.  ie,
> i send an email to all accounts between aaaaaaaa and zzzzzzzz in all
> combinations.


so, you'd be willing to pay three cents an email?

 
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>>>do you think microsoft should just give that away for
>>>free?  if so, why and how do you propose they reap the
>>>rewards of their development efforts?
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>>what have they developed exactly? hotmail? bcentral?
>>moneycentral?
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> i was referring to passport itself actually since that's the example you
> brought up.


it seems to be a common thing, so its cool. people are confused about 
this .Net My Services things. read into it.

 
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>>the fact is they're looking to make up for lessning
>>revenues of their OS and office applications.
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> doesn't this benefit the end consumer?  ie, altering their strategy to stay
> profitable so they're still around a couple of years from now when i need
> contact them for technical support?


altering a strategy to stay profitable profits no one eXcePt the 
company. it doesn't profit consumers jeff.

.djc.