[thelist] MSN locks out non IE browsers

[Ed Shuck]

there are many issues in this simple choice to "design for or not".

Personaly I would rather Bill than some guy from one of the Japanese groups
or some Korean group or some European group.  If anyone wants to think they
are open and above board, better think again.

Also, I like the guy.  Most execs  are just knowlegeable about the keys and
the color of the case.  Now he might be.  But there was a time (and maybe
still).  And even if he can't, he was one of us and he made the transition
from teckie to management, as no one in history before, and it may be a
while before someone else does it to the same degree.  Go, Bill, Go!

He can be beaten.  (Just covering the bet that a negative is imposible to
prove).  But do it with technology.  That I understand.  But the marketing
drivel, where did that come from

peace
----- Original Message -----
From: me <me at cgiguy.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] MSN locks out non IE browsers


> It wont be long and we'll all be spending M$dollars.
>
> I personally think its time for bill to take a valium and chill.
>
> This move has nothing to do with compat
>
>
> me.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: profjj <thelist at cbizz.net>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [thelist] MSN locks out non IE browsers
>
>
> > Mr. Forsberg,
> >
> > This was for jeff, however ~~>
> > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~>>
> > :From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> > :[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Forsberg
> > :Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:14 PM
> > :To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > :Subject: RE: [thelist] MSN locks out non IE browsers
> > :
> > :Hi Jeff
> > :
> > :>and if they choose to guarantee that browsers that'll make their site
> look
> > :>"fucked up" can't see the site at all, that's their right.
> > :
> > :Guy walks into a menswear store -- "I want to try on those shoes" --
> > :"I'm sorry sir, those are Patrick Cox shoes, and you're wearing red
> > :socks. I'm afraid I can't let you do that."
> > :
> > :Sure the shoes would look wrong on red socks, but a punter's a
> > :punter. The punter is there because they're interested in some
> > :Microsoft product, or Microsoft-related product / service. It doesn't
> > :make good business sense to turn people away, IMHO.
> > :
> > :>pop quiz:  what software vendor makes the most software for the mac?
> > :
> > :Before or after Microsoft bought a very large number of Apple shares?
> > :And, being picky, is it 'the most software' or 'the largest Mac
> > :development team outside Apple itself.' Either way, the logic of this
> > :is clear to me -- the logic behind, and supposed benefits of,
> > :actively blocking users escapes me entirely.
> > :
> > :>  ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> > :>  > True, but there are better ways of letting me know than
> > :>>  completely blocking me out.
> > :>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> > :>
> > :>not if they want to prevent the site from being displayed in a messed
up
> > :>manner.  how would you do it?
> > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~>>
> >
> > :<~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~>:
> > :The site's db backed? The developers are using templates? Errrrr:
> > :provide an alternate template that doesn't look like shite for
> > :non-compliant browsers? Just like the rest of us would if we couldn't
> > :be bothered coding it to look ok in the preferred template. :)
> > :<~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~>:
> >
> > Firstly, designing to accomodate other sites ~ no designer loves that,
and
> > in ms's case, what's the point, when they have other things to take care
> of.
> > The simplest thing to do is design for their own browser.
> >
> > Not to be abrupt, but if I don't want a certain browser/s to view my
site,
> > then that's my choice.(It's my site - the same way that at the end of
the
> > day what i say goes).  The main reason that the ability exists means
that
> > hey, it's there to be used when necessary (I not killing anyone by using
> > it), if they wanna use my site, adhere to my rules.
> >
> > My point, - if you're going to a party, and the dress code is
/*formal*/ -
> > you turn up in shorts, slippers, and a vest.  Will you get upset when
you
> > are not admitted?
> >
> > Same here, the site is MS's website, they want you to view it with
certain
> > browser/s, that's their choice.  If nobody likes that they have options,
> buy
> > msn and call the shots, or just don't go there.  Do you have to lose by
> not
> > going to msn.com?
> >
> > tx,
> >
> > [[:profjj:]]
> > file://* http://cbizz.net *//
> >
> > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~>>
> > :Andrew Forsberg
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