[thelist] MSN locks out non IE browsers

Andrew Forsberg andrew at thepander.co.nz
Mon Oct 29 15:47:11 CST 2001

Hi Jeff

>or, guy walks into skating rink with his own skates.  "i'm sorry sire, but
>you can't use your own skates here.  you'll need to rent a pair of ours if
>you want to use our facility."
>simply put, the vendor has the final say on who they do business with -- not
>the other way around.

All of which put the business's *image* ahead of the customer's 
desire for a service or product, for better or worse. Microsoft ain't 
no Helmut Lang outlet, but the logic appears similar on the surface.

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>>  It doesn't make good business sense to turn people away,
>>  IMHO.
>i honestly don't think anybody is arguing that point.

But it's the only valid argument for Microsoft to do this. Isn't it? 
What other criteria would they really give a rat's arse about?

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>>  > pop quiz:  what software vendor makes the most software
>>  > for the mac?
>>  Before or after Microsoft bought a very large number of
>>  Apple shares?
>doesn't matter.  i'm asking about the current status.

Current status: Microsoft has a vested interest in the Macintosh 
software market, so:

>microsoft makes the most software for the mac.  kind of ironic isn't it?

that's not ironic, it makes perfect sense.

Anyhow, now I definitely owe:

<tip type="pinholing a nokia adsl router">
This was far easier than I ever dreamed it would be. Although finding 
the documentation was slightly more tricky. Pinholing port 80 of the 
Nokia MW1122 adsl router (I imagine it's much the same with other 
models) is as simple as:

1) Load the router's control interface in your browser (by default it 
will be either or;
2) Click the 'Local Network' link;
3) Click the 'NAPT' link;
4) Give the service a name under 'entry name', type the lan ip 
address for the server into the 'address (internal)' field, type the 
port that server listens to into the 'start port (internal)' field, 
and the port the router should listen to externally into the next 
field (try 80 for each for a standard http service). You'll only want 
1 port in 'number of ports', and choose 'TCP' from the protocol drop 
5) Click 'Add New' and you're done.

Unfortunately, you can't access the server on the lan internally via 
it's external ip address -- you just get the adsl router's control 
interface. Still, you can always use the internal lan address.
Andrew Forsberg
uberNET - http://uber.net.nz/
the pander - http://thepander.co.nz/

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