> I have tried creating a fluid layout using CSS hi josh by fluid, do you mean liquid? width adjusts itself to the browser window? that's hard to do well ;o) glish is good -- i *love* how those images float down into that box! there's a decent css positioning overview at http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/default.asp bluerobot has a couple of templates, with explanation, at http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ don't go to eric meyer's css/edge, though, until you have a couple of css layouts under your belt, because what that man can do with css will simply blow you away -- http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/ you could also visit webnouveau.net, which links to some 500 web sites that use css instead of tables (shameless plug: i'm #448) rudy