> Someone here has a site (I think it's rudy... could be wrong) > where they show off their talents with CSS and other things, > and specifically point out that "Yes, I can do these things, but .... " sorry susan, it isn't me, but thanks for thinking of me ;o) my site is not at all experimental when it comes to css perhaps you're thinking of eric meyer's css/edge http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/ rudy http://rudy.ca/