[thelist] RE: CFMX / Dreamweaver MX

Sam Richardson sam at toolbox.co.nz
Tue Apr 30 19:21:00 CDT 2002

If you don't advocate nested tables why are you using font tags?

I don't really want to turn this into a who can write better code, but in
some cases complex tables are a must. I don't have the luxery of writing
liquid designs so the speed I can get from manipulating the tables in
Dreamweaver is allot better then puzzling my way through code line by line.

Also, Dreamweavers split code view means that anytime you need to write
specific code for the page you can click in the approx. location on the
page, navigate to where you need it in the code view and make the updates.

I've used Dreamweaver since version 2, and I admit my code does not
validate, but it renders identically in Netscape 4.5 upwards on mac and pc,
which I think is more importent.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judah McAuley" <judah at wiredotter.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] RE: CFMX / Dreamweaver MX

> Sam Richardson wrote:
> > I doubt the list of features for either piece of software comes close to
> > what Dreamweaver offers.
> >
> > I'm sick of people slagging off Dreamweaver and other visual based
> > for text based ones. Sure in the wrong hands the code Dreamweaver
> > is bad, but thats the same with any tool. But for things like complex
> > table editing and images I doubt you can get close to the speed of a
> > editor.
> Actually, complex nested tables is why I hate dreamweaver (v. 4 on back
> and all other wysinwyg editors).  It's very rare that you actually need
> complex nested tables.  And if you do need complex nested tables, you
> probably need to rethink your design because its going to be slow and
> buggy.  Nonetheless, if you use Dreamweaver in its visual mode, it
> encourages complex, bulky designs with redundant code (most of it in
> tables and font tags).  You may be able to write code faster in
> Dreamweaver, but I bet I can write faster code in CF Studio.
> That being said, I have been beta testing DW MX and it's adopted a
> number of nice features from CF Studio/Homesite.  I've still got some
> learning to do and there are some things I'm not so happy about, but
> over all, it appears to have done a quite credible job of stradling the
> fence between visual design and code design.  Not at all an easy task.
> DW MX is a complex tool.  It will take awhile before I appreciate the
> new things that it will allow me to do that CF Studio did not allow.
> Whether it will make me an overall more efficient program or not remains
> to be seen, but I can say people have slagged previous versions of
> Dreamweaver for a very good reason:  they encouraged crappy code and
> they were difficult for good hand coders to use.  Hopefully this release
> will finally get visual editors over the hump and to the point where
> they can happily live on the desktop of "coders" as well as "designers".
> Judah
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