> From: "Tom Dell'Aringa" <pixelmech at yahoo.com> > http://www.pixelmech.com/test.asp > http://www.pixelmech.com/test2.asp Hi, Both Look fine (as far as I can tell) on Mac OS 9 in: IE 5 Netscape 6 Mozilla 1 Hope your headache goes away soon. Actually, upon further inspection, the border at the top of the "googy" bar is 1 pixel down from the top (in IE and Mozilla) - and that's not orange, it's red. a glowing red. matt g