FYI, this is one of the worst places to ask about Flash...people are really biased against Flash on this list. Here's Macromedia's claims about Flash penetration: http://www.macromedia.com/software/player_census/flashplayer/ I've found that when developing with Flash...whether the user *has* Flash isn't nearly as big an issue as *which version* of Flash do they have. Like, 97% sounds like a pretty reasonable number...for Flash 3. John Corry Neon Cowboy Design http://www.neoncowboy.com mail : john at neoncowboy.com phone : 808.572.8494