At 10:38 01/08/2002 -0400, aardvark wrote: >why not set the color of the (text within the) <h1> to transparent? Because that doesn't work :) At least not in Mozilla. >wish i had time to try this out, but i don't think this approach needs >to exist with <span>... instead of pipes, use border attributes (i've >done that more and more lately, and it's very nice)... I do use border attributes - but they won't show up in browsers that don't display CSS. They will also lead to failed accessibility tests - links with nothing in between them are flagged as accessibility problems by Bobby. By having the pipes in there but hiding them with a span set to display: none you get the best of both worlds - borders in browsers that support CSS, pipes in browsers that don't.