re-ordering divs isn't as easy as it sounds, frank yeah, it's a piece of pie if you're positioning absolutely but the z-man and others who use float couldn't do it ;o) as for lynx testing, you can also do it online <tip type="browser testing"> lynx viewer http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.html lynx-me http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~gerald/lynx-me.cgi </tip> rudy http://rudy.ca/