The Macromedia pluginspage is broken, as far as I can tell. This page: http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/tn4150.html gives us sample code. The sample code uses pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer". When I remove the Flash plugin from the NS 4.7/Mac browser and view the page, and click the broken plugin icon, Macromedia serves me a very pretty 404 page. What gives!! I don't like being dependent on Macromedia to make my site work. thx m -- mike[at]nthwave.net