Hey Evolters' I meant to add some links in my post about Phil G. but here some are: http://philip.greenspun.com/panda/index.html (main index of some of his better articles -- he calls it a book now) Case Studies :: http://philip.greenspun.com/panda/case-studies Interfacing a Relational Database to the Web :: http://philip.greenspun.com/panda/databases-interfacing A Future So Bright You'll Need to Wear Sunglasses :: http://philip.greenspun.com/panda/future.html Those are just some of my favorites...They've been around for years and most have been updated, some haven't. Most of his comments aren't based on technology, rather on practice. -davidu -- "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead