Hi again, does anyone know how to limit the width of text when writing it to an image in php? I am writing text to an image 300px wide, so I want to wrap the text display at something like 280px - but I can't figure out how? See an example of my text not wrapping here: http://www.1976design.com/testarea/photo/image4.php My plan is to limit the text width, then work out the height of the text box using imagettfbbox() then create the image with the height set to accomodate the text... Any help gratefully received, thanks as always, - dunstan --------------------------- Dorset, England http://www.1976design.com/ http://www.orchard.it/ http://www.maccaws.org/