> I doubt 98% of browsers have a recent Flash plugin installed, either. I say > recent, because older plugin use can be detrimental to user experience: they Buried, and i mean *BURIED* on macromedia's site you may be lucky enough to find this whitepaper: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/survey/whitepaper/page11.html#appendixII (watch the wrap) sure sure, those stats are only updated as of september, but it shows that the 98% number thrown around all the time is really nothing more that 100% bullcrap. funny about whitepaper, brown shows up on it real good.... nagrom