rudy <mailto:r937 at interlog.com> wrote: > > it seems to me that centering up and down, and bottom alignment > > of elements is not very well supported among most browsers? > > not sure if this will help you, chris, but joe gillespie has a > technique for vertical centering > > http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/wpd0103.htm#toptip > > hat tip: > Craig Saila's Living Can Kill You (a superb blog) > http://www.saila.com/columns/lcky/ > > > rudy hey rudy, that's a great help. although not specific to my problem (i decided to go with adjusting the margin) i have wondered about this many times. chris.