I have been waiting for the latest and greatest fork of "Nuke" They have ditched the 'nuclear' implications' The public demo site Xaraya is now open for playing :-) http://demo.xaraya.com userid=Admin password=password Or else register as a normal user and explore that way. The weekly tarballs are released on time as new development continues Here is the footer of their mailing list. so you can keep informed...I think they are close to production model so, I, for one am going to use it now...and since I am a newbie, I am going to grow with the tarballs. Xaraya_public-dev mailing list Xaraya_public-dev at lists.xaraya.com http://lists.xaraya.com/mailman/listinfo/xaraya_public-dev Russell Griechen