I guess there can't be no productive debate on this ;-) For me, the best proof that singular should rule tables world is that in Merise method we're talking about an entity, not a set of things. You have an entity, like THE employee, that you describe, in relation with other entities. It's only when you're using your database that you can talk about set of objects, objects are rows. But I understand the opposite view and in a parrallel dimension I am supporting it. But in this dimension I am unoriginally supporting the majority view.. ;-) I agree with the second advice, which is also not to have too long fields or table names, it's because I am still not using a RDS and have to enter manually all SQL queries, deal with the results in PHP, etc.. Have a nice day, Cordialement, Damien COLA http://www.VarMalin.com -----Original Message----- disagree the concept is of sets of things the set of employees, the set of jobs... thus, select ... from employees casey, a more important rule than using plural names for tables is NOT to embed the "type of the thing" into the name of the thing for example, do not say tblEmployees or colFirstname adjective_that noun_practice verb_is adverb_really adjective_disconcerting ;o) rudy -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ Evolt.org conference in London, July 25-27 2003. Register today at http://evolt.org.uk For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !