SV: [thelist] Patents screw plug-ins

Sat Sep 13 12:17:07 CDT 2003

Short memory?  Remember that Amazon "patented"
one-click ordering *after* everyone was already using
it...to make problems for the competition (Barnes &
Noble).

This is a problem with the (originally
well-intentioned, but antiquated) US patent law. You
don't have to invent it...just patent it...even if
it's been in general use for years. You can probably
find away to patent the air if you try.

The address for complaints is the US Congress. It
doesn't do much good to appeal to the corporate sense
of fair play... if there be such a creature.

--- Marcus Andersson <marcan at home.se> wrote:
> I know how it works (and I'm living after it) but
> that doesn't mean I
> have to like it.
> 
> /Marcus
> 
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: bruce [mailto:bedouglas at earthlink.net] 
> Skickat: den 12 september 2003 17:23
> Till: 'Marcus Andersson'; thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Ämne: RE: [thelist] Patents screw plug-ins
> 
> 
> marcus....
> 
> hate to burst your bubble...but the majority of
> patents issued are
> apparently of the evolutionary nature..as opposed to
> the revolutionary
> kind....
> 
> and just because you independently think of
> something, doesn't give you
> the right to sell it, if it already has a patent!!!!
> 
> you can think of something... write code to do
> it..and as long as you
> don't try to do anything with it outside of your own
> space..who cares...
> but if you try to give it away/sell it... then
> you're infringing!!
> 
> peace..
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus Andersson [mailto:marcan at home.se]
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 8:05 AM
> To: bedouglas at earthlink.net; thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: SV: [thelist] Patents screw plug-ins
> 
> 
> It's the way biz is done mostly in the US (and some
> other places and
> global businesses since they have to compete in the
> US, but mostly
> there), the home of $$$ and law suites.
> 
> I think that ideas that is a natural and logic
> development (the next
> step or evolution if you want) shouldn't be passed
> as patents. Patents
> should be really unique stuff and not things that
> anyone can come up
> with (if you ask me anyway), like in this case,
> where it wasn't that
> unique thinking (I don't think anyone looked into
> the patent registry to
> lookup the idea of plug-ins and then implement it,
> everyone just did and
> not thanks to Eola).
> 
> I know that this is idealistic thinking but there
> are many people around
> that share these thoughts and, given time (long time
> probably), there is
> a possibility that this way of business dies away
> (could be many
> reasons).
> 
> /Marcus
> 
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] För bruce
> Skickat: den 12 september 2003 16:39
> Till: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Ämne: RE: [thelist] Patents screw plug-ins
> 
> 
> tony...
> 
> the world may have gone mad... but not due to
> this!!!!
> 
> hey..it's a fact... if you develop something
> novel/unique/etc.... then
> you perhaps should have a right to make $$$ off it.
> if you develop some
> code for a customer, you don't want somebody else
> ripping you off.
> neither does the guy who's developed something and
> patented it... this
> is the way the ballgame is played....
> 
> in the case of plug-in technology... apparently
> there are a number of
> patent issues surrounding it. in this case, msoft's
> pissed because
> they're on the other side of the shoe.. there have
> been numerous cases
> where they've filed suit... it's a price of biz...
> and yes, the fact is
> that plug-ins might go away, at least as you or i
> know them...
> 
> complain all you want, but the biz that has the
> patents might not really
> listen to you!!!
> 
> this is the way biz is done.... welcome to the
> world... is it a
> pain..yeah.. do i like it...no.. would i fight like
> hell to make sure
> you don't infringe on my patent if i had one that
> was valuable..hell
> yes!!! and i'm pretty sure you would too!
> 
> but this is also why for some things, it's good put
> them into the public
> good.... the trouble with this approach..is who gets
> to decide what's in
> the public good... so the best approach, is if you
> come up with a
> patentable idea.. and you think it has serious
> value..go ahead and put
> it into the public domain... there are a number of
> organizations that
> would work with you to make sure it couldn't be
> taken private....
> 
> have fun!!
> 
> ps. for laughs...check out the patent issues/fights
> that are slowly
> starting with streaming audio/video.. acacia
> research..(sp?) they're
> going after the adult industry, claiming that
> streaming of content
> infringes on their patents...
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of
> Tony Crockford
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:01 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Patents screw plug-ins
> 
> 
> Am I reading this right?
> 
> http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5074799.html
> 
> A java applet linked from a web page infringes a
> patent and all such
> applets and plug-ins will need new delivery
> mechanisms as yet unthought
> of?
> 
> How do I complain?
> 
> next thing we know it'll be animated gifs and banner
> ads served from a
> different server.
> 
> World's gone mad I say!
> 
> ;o)
> 
> 
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