Diane Soini wrote, as part of a message with some other point :-) > You can do it however you want, divs or tables. My limitation was > that the programmers didn't know html well, didn't know what a div was, > and didn't have time or desire to learn about it. > All the programmers have to do is make sure that > they use <th> for header cells, <td> for data cells. > And when it comes time to change things, you'll have a lot > less work to do, and a lot less people to consult and instruct. But. This is an excellent time to suggest that the programmers in question be forbidden to output *any* markup. Not THs, not TDs, not anything. They should only handle the business logic and backend to generate *data values*, and that's all. Instead of something awful like this (JSP example): <% out.println("<Tr><TH>foo</TH><Td>bar</TD></TR>"); %> :: good logic/data/presentation separation would be something like: <tr><th><%= thisFoo %></th><td><%= thisBar %></td></tr> If you're using a templating solution like JSP, take advantage of it! *No markup in program-generated output*. Period. Let the page designer handle markup. Use your framework properly. If you can get your programming team's buy-in to this, you'll have made your job *and theirs* far easier. Development will go faster. The sun will shine brighter. Beer will taste better. Really. :-) FWIW! -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code.