Thanks for the reply, Jono. Wow. That does not sound like the behavior that I see at all. I want the ul centered in the free space to the left of the image. I am not too concerned about the text placement because all of the text on my real page fits within the ul's containing div's width of 15ex. For me, in Safari [also 1.2.1 (v125.1)] the ul is centered across the whole page (or its containing div's containing div?) and the text is placed below the image. See <http://homepage.mac.com/ddulay/css_question/safari_sample.png> for a screenshot. Interestingly, my IE [Mac 5.2.3 (5815.1)] wraps the text for the long line. See <http://homepage.mac.com/ddulay/css_question/IE52Mac_sample.png>. This is the case for both of the macs I have available here. I don't have a windows machine handy at the moment. Could you send me screenshots of what you are seeing? Thank you, Daniel Dulay > When I view your page in Safari 1.2.1 (v125.1), the ul is placed to > the left of the img and centered in the space in the div left of the > img. In IE Mac 5.2.3 (5815.1), the text "Apologies to R Stevens at > Diesel Sweeties" is > stretching outside of the div that has the centered text in it, and > the div text is left aligned. Where are you trying to put the text > that is in the div?