I'm pretty sure there are ready made ones that do go over frames, from memory http://www.milonic.com/ or perhaps http://www.apycom.com I could be wrong however. You will of course have mentioned web standards and accessibility to your Boss :). Depending on where you're based this could be a legal requirement. I'm not saying you couldn't make these menus accessible, but it may not be fun, especially with frames! Or take a different tack, have you looked at the suckerfish menus, don't know whether they will work over frames though as they were designed with standards in mind. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/ Hope this helps, Russ -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Drew Shiel Sent: 26 August 2004 14:46 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] DHTML menus and frames Hi folks. The answer this will be a "no", I suspect. But I have to ask, cos the Boss had his heart set on these menus. He wants fancy DHTML menus instead of form dropdowns, which we've used before for years. They have submenus, they slide, they glide, they're awfu' pretty. They do not, however, come out over the edge of the frames they live in. This means that when you've a dhtml menu at the bottom of one frame, it vanishes "behind" the frame below, without ever being seen. The question is: Is there any way, even a theoretical one, to make them appear over the edge of the frame? Cheers, Drew.