[thelist] web development

[Russ]

> I've met very few designers that actually write applications. So I
> think you need to decide whether you are looking at the "web
> application development" crowd, or the "web designer" crowd.

There's more and more cross-over in recent years.  There's also a mixed
definition as to "designers" and "developers", so it really depends upon
the context.  I tend to disagree with your thinking, and I'll explain
why...

> For the actually developers, I would imagine that almost all of them
> would use an IDE like Visual Studio.NET because it has support for
> things like debugging, which most design tools do not.

That would be for the developers that work in MS applications.  What
about those who develop in Java?  <insert other languages here>?

Since "web designers" was mentioned, I'd say that you'd get a lot of
traction putting a good faith estimate that a lot of those folks are
using Macromedia Dreamweaver, Macromedia Homesite, Adobe GoLive, Visual
Studio, Notepad, and on and on.  I'd put Dreamweaver at the top of that
list, but I have no real statistics beyond what I use in my studio, what
I've used for several years at several different locations that I've
contracted at; I've not seen any of the other tools with the exception
of Homesite and Notepad, and Visual Studio in more of a development
environment.

> Designing on the other hand doesn't really involve any programming
> (well, possibly some javascript if it's non-trivial). The rest is
> markup, and other tools are more suitable.

I'd say that it's best to have a solid understanding as to "how"
programming works.  A good designer will know best how to comprehend
some of the technical limitations, for example.

> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:40:40 -0700, Mark Joslyn
> <mark.joslyn at solimarsystems.com> wrote:
> > Can anyone point me to some statistics showing what 
> development tools web
> > designers are using to develop their web applications. I 
> need to know if web
> > designers actively use tools like Visual Studio.Net or are they just
> > hand-coders like me(Homesite 5+).

Ken was correct in stating that the questions a bit difficult to
decipher.  Are you more interested in Web Designers or Web Developers?
I've seen a lot of long time web developers begin to turn to Dreamweaver
MX 2004 because of the ease of use, extended features and file
management capabilities, but, again, that's just my experience.

Russ