ok, got a wierd one. when viewing these pages in ie, some hidden things appear when hovering over links. example #1 http://www.exploded.org/view_thread.php?thread_id=14 example #2 http://www.exploded.org/view_member.php?member_id=54 if you hover over the login or sign-up links at the bottom of example #1, the "???" text will appear to the right of the image, and a block of white text appears underneath the footer bar. the footer bar problem happens throughout my site, and i'm not sure why. must have something to do with the css, but i can't put my finger on it. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks, codi lechasseur