From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Mon Dec 20 00:05:04 2004 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:05:04 +1100 Subject: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6901110B@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Whether or not ASP runs inside dllhost.exe depends on the IIS application setting. Low Isolation -> ASP pages in that app run inside inetinfo.exe (runs as LocalSystem) Medium Isolation -> ASP pages in that app run inside a shared dllhost.exe that all other medium isolation apps share High Isolation -> ASP pages in that app run inside a dllhost.exe that's not shared with any other apps By default IWAM_machinename is the process identity for out-of-process web applications (out-of-process means any app running in medium or high isolation, ie outside inetinfo.exe) However, in order to access a resource (eg run a webpage), the thread servicing the request "impersonates" a user account - IIS logs on that account and processes the page under that user context. If the app requires authentication, then the page will be run under the context of the credentials supplied by the user. If the app allows "anonymous" access, then IIS will impersonate the configured anonymous user account (by default IUSR_) HTH Note: this applies to IIS up to IIS5.1, and IIS6 running in IIS5 Isolation Mode. IIS6 running in its native Worker Process Isolation mode is a different kettle of fish. Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rosalie Sennett : Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 3:49 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. : : Correct me if I'm wrong... but IWAM_machine name starts up dllhost.exe : : And all .asp, com and other ISAPI extensions are run under dllhost : : (ASP is considered an ISAPI extension) : : So, perhaps it is the IWAM_machine user that is being locked out? : : : Keep that in mind when you're poking around with effective permissions : : : You also may want to simplify your code just to be sure it isn't some typo : that none of us is noticing... : : I had something the other day that was driving me nuts... and just when I : was sure my machine was haunted... I went back to a kind of "hello world" : script and found that I'd done something stupid... : : So run this with and without a folder specified in the drive, 'cause I : know : it works fine. : : : : : : : : : : : : <% : Set FSObj=Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") : Set FolderObj = FSObj.GetFolder ("M:\") : : For Each Item in FolderObj.Files %> : : : : : : : : : <% Next %> : :
PathNameSizeDateCreatedDateLastAccessedDateLastModified
<%= Item.Path %><%= Item.Name %><%= Item.Size %><%= Item.DateCreated %><%= Item.DateLastAccessed %><%= Item.DateLastModified %>
: : <% Response.Write("Total = " & FolderObj.Files.Count)%> : : rose : : ----------------- : c:/dos : c:/dos/run : run/dos/run : >> : ----------------- : : > -----Original Message----- : > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer : > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:18 PM : > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : > Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. : > : > : > : -----Original Message----- : > : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org : > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : > : Behalf Of cd-ml at aardvark.net.au : > : Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. : > : : > : > What are the permissions on the share that 'M' is mapped to? IUSR : > isn't : > : > part of the everyone group, which can be confusing. : > : : > : Drive M: is a local drive, not a networked share or anything. : > : : > : > Does this behave as expected on local drives? How 'bout if you get : the : > : > item's name rather than size? : > : : > : Yes, the item.name works but item.size get's permission denied. I : don't : > : know why ?:) : > : : > : Drive M: (which is a local HD) will give me a permission denied, : however : > : if I set it to the CD-ROM drive or my USB Key it works. It must be a : > : permission issue somewhere. : > : > I suppose you next need to check the effective permissions on those : files. : > : > Right-click on a file -> properties -> security -> advanced -> effective : > permissions -> add IUSR_Machinename : > : > Cheers : > Ken : > -- : > : > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * : > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : > : > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester : > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org : > Workers of the Web, evolt ! : : : -- : : * * Please support the community that supports you. * * : http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : : For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester : and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org : Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Mon Dec 20 00:07:48 2004 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:07:48 +1100 Subject: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6901110C@kjserver1.kjhome.local> To troubleshoot a user context problem, use Filemon from www.sysinternals.com that will tell you which user account is getting a permission denied error if that error is being raised from the NTFS file system (i.e. a permissions problem). Perhaps IIS is not using the IUSR account. Also when you set the permissions - did you choose to apply those permissions to all folders, subfolders and file on the disk? Cheers Ken : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Craig : Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 4:10 PM : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org : Subject: Re: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. : : Hi Ken, : : I've given the M: drive full permissions for the IUSR_MACNAME account, and : checked in effective permissions and everything is marked, and it still : get's permission denied on the item.size : : I'm stumped :) : : Craig. : : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Ken Schaefer" : To: : Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:47 AM : Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. : : : : : -----Original Message----- : : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org : [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On : : Behalf Of cd-ml at aardvark.net.au : : Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. : : : : > What are the permissions on the share that 'M' is mapped to? IUSR : isn't : : > part of the everyone group, which can be confusing. : : : : Drive M: is a local drive, not a networked share or anything. : : : : > Does this behave as expected on local drives? How 'bout if you get the : : > item's name rather than size? : : : : Yes, the item.name works but item.size get's permission denied. I don't : : know why ?:) : : : : Drive M: (which is a local HD) will give me a permission denied, however : : if I set it to the CD-ROM drive or my USB Key it works. It must be a : : permission issue somewhere. : : I suppose you next need to check the effective permissions on those files. : : Right-click on a file -> properties -> security -> advanced -> effective : permissions -> add IUSR_Machinename : : Cheers : Ken : -- : : * * Please support the community that supports you. * * : http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : : For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester : and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org : Workers of the Web, evolt ! : : : -- : : * * Please support the community that supports you. * * : http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ : : For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester : and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org : Workers of the Web, evolt ! From cd-ml at aardvark.net.au Mon Dec 20 00:19:18 2004 From: cd-ml at aardvark.net.au (cd-ml at aardvark.net.au) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:19:18 +1100 (EST) Subject: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. In-Reply-To: References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E69011106@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <61128.203.221.118.30.1103523558.squirrel@203.221.118.30> > Correct me if I'm wrong... but IWAM_machine name starts up dllhost.exe > > And all .asp, com and other ISAPI extensions are run under dllhost > > (ASP is considered an ISAPI extension) > > So, perhaps it is the IWAM_machine user that is being locked out? > > > Keep that in mind when you're poking around with effective permissions I will have a play around with the IWAM account later, just not at my computer at the moment. > You also may want to simplify your code just to be sure it isn't some typo > that none of us is noticing... The code I gave in my first e-mail can't be simplified any further :) I know it works because when I put in say M:\Dir it will list the subfolders' size's. The error occurs only when I try and get the size of a subfolder. > I had something the other day that was driving me nuts... and just when I > was sure my machine was haunted... I went back to a kind of "hello world" > script and found that I'd done something stupid... > > So run this with and without a folder specified in the drive, 'cause I > know > it works fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > Set FSObj=Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") > Set FolderObj = FSObj.GetFolder ("M:\") > > For Each Item in FolderObj.Files %> > > > > > > > > > <% Next %> > >
PathNameSizeDateCreatedDateLastAccessedDateLastModified
<%= Item.Path %><%= Item.Name %><%= Item.Size %><%= Item.DateCreated %><%= Item.DateLastAccessed %><%= Item.DateLastModified %>
> > <% Response.Write("Total = " & FolderObj.Files.Count)%> I will try out that script when I get a chance. I might point out that I'm trying to get the subfolders collection, not the files, but it's as simple as changing "FolderObj.Files" to "FolderObj.Subfolders". I will try it out but I'm pretty sure it will error on the item.size line. > rose Thanks Rose! > ----------------- > c:/dos > c:/dos/run > run/dos/run >>> > ----------------- I love that sig :) Cya, Craig From rsennett at brainlink.com Mon Dec 20 00:36:23 2004 From: rsennett at brainlink.com (Rosalie Sennett) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:36:23 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6901110B@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: Ken, Thanks for the clarification. I do remember reading that there were problems with IIS 5 involving the IWAM_ and permissions not being set properly in order to "impersonate" users. So it was as if dllhost.exe was started without full ability. The correction involved security policy changes. I suppose that's what I was thinking of. One thing we don't know, are the details of Craig's configuration. Hopefully... he's just got a typo somewhere. rose ----------------- c:/dos c:/dos/run run/dos/run >> ----------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:05 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. > > Whether or not ASP runs inside dllhost.exe depends on the IIS application > setting. > > Low Isolation -> ASP pages in that app run inside inetinfo.exe (runs as > LocalSystem) > > Medium Isolation -> ASP pages in that app run inside a shared dllhost.exe > that all other medium isolation apps share > > High Isolation -> ASP pages in that app run inside a dllhost.exe that's > not > shared with any other apps > > By default IWAM_machinename is the process identity for out-of-process web > applications (out-of-process means any app running in medium or high > isolation, ie outside inetinfo.exe) > > However, in order to access a resource (eg run a webpage), the thread > servicing the request "impersonates" a user account - IIS logs on that > account and processes the page under that user context. If the app > requires > authentication, then the page will be run under the context of the > credentials supplied by the user. If the app allows "anonymous" access, > then > IIS will impersonate the configured anonymous user account (by default > IUSR_) > > HTH > > Note: this applies to IIS up to IIS5.1, and IIS6 running in IIS5 Isolation > Mode. IIS6 running in its native Worker Process Isolation mode is a > different > kettle of fish. > > Cheers > Ken > > : -----Original Message----- > : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rosalie Sennett > : Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 3:49 PM > : To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > : Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. > : > : Correct me if I'm wrong... but IWAM_machine name starts up dllhost.exe > : > : And all .asp, com and other ISAPI extensions are run under dllhost > : > : (ASP is considered an ISAPI extension) > : > : So, perhaps it is the IWAM_machine user that is being locked out? > : > : > : Keep that in mind when you're poking around with effective permissions > : > : > : You also may want to simplify your code just to be sure it isn't some > typo > : that none of us is noticing... > : > : I had something the other day that was driving me nuts... and just when > I > : was sure my machine was haunted... I went back to a kind of "hello > world" > : script and found that I'd done something stupid... > : > : So run this with and without a folder specified in the drive, 'cause I > : know > : it works fine. > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : <% > : Set FSObj=Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") > : Set FolderObj = FSObj.GetFolder ("M:\") > : > : For Each Item in FolderObj.Files %> > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : <% Next %> > : > :
PathNameSizeDateCreatedDateLastAccessedDateLastModified
<%= Item.Path %><%= Item.Name %><%= Item.Size %><%= Item.DateCreated %><%= Item.DateLastAccessed %><%= Item.DateLastModified %>
> : > : <% Response.Write("Total = " & FolderObj.Files.Count)%> > : > : rose > : > : ----------------- > : c:/dos > : c:/dos/run > : run/dos/run > : >> > : ----------------- > : > : > -----Original Message----- > : > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > : > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer > : > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:18 PM > : > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > : > Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. > : > > : > > : > : -----Original Message----- > : > : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > : > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On > : > : Behalf Of cd-ml at aardvark.net.au > : > : Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. > : > : > : > : > What are the permissions on the share that 'M' is mapped to? IUSR > : > isn't > : > : > part of the everyone group, which can be confusing. > : > : > : > : Drive M: is a local drive, not a networked share or anything. > : > : > : > : > Does this behave as expected on local drives? How 'bout if you get > : the > : > : > item's name rather than size? > : > : > : > : Yes, the item.name works but item.size get's permission denied. I > : don't > : > : know why ?:) > : > : > : > : Drive M: (which is a local HD) will give me a permission denied, > : however > : > : if I set it to the CD-ROM drive or my USB Key it works. It must be a > : > : permission issue somewhere. > : > > : > I suppose you next need to check the effective permissions on those > : files. > : > > : > Right-click on a file -> properties -> security -> advanced -> > effective > : > permissions -> add IUSR_Machinename > : > > : > Cheers > : > Ken > : > -- > : > > : > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > : > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > : > > : > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > : > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > : > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > : > : > : -- > : > : * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > : http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > : > : For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > : and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > : Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From cd-ml at aardvark.net.au Mon Dec 20 00:41:18 2004 From: cd-ml at aardvark.net.au (cd-ml at aardvark.net.au) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:41:18 +1100 (EST) Subject: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6901110C@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6901110C@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <61219.203.221.118.30.1103524878.squirrel@203.221.118.30> > To troubleshoot a user context problem, use Filemon from > www.sysinternals.com > that will tell you which user account is getting a permission denied error > if > that error is being raised from the NTFS file system (i.e. a permissions > problem). Perhaps IIS is not using the IUSR account. I'll try that out later, thanks! > Also when you set the permissions - did you choose to apply those > permissions > to all folders, subfolders and file on the disk? Now that you mention it when I added IUSR_MACNAME to the list in the Security tab (and gave it full perms), it didn't prompt me to apply the changes to any folders, subfolders, files etc... Should it have? I'm using this drive (M:) as it's only my games drive. I was just a bit wary of changing/adding permissions to my other drives as they are critical. Should I be adding the IUSR account using the "Advanced" button on the security tab? > Cheers > Ken Thanks Ken! From rsennett at brainlink.com Mon Dec 20 00:58:49 2004 From: rsennett at brainlink.com (Rosalie Sennett) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:58:49 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. In-Reply-To: <61219.203.221.118.30.1103524878.squirrel@203.221.118.30> Message-ID: > > Now that you mention it when I added IUSR_MACNAME to the list in the > Security tab (and gave it full perms), it didn't prompt me to apply the > changes to any folders, subfolders, files etc... Should it have? I'm > using this drive (M:) as it's only my games drive. I was just a bit wary > of changing/adding permissions to my other drives as they are critical. Since you're having trouble with getting file size on the folders in the root , the checkbox for child folders (which are working, right?) should have no effect (but it couldn't hurt). > > Should I be adding the IUSR account using the "Advanced" button on the > security tab? When you click on the advanced button, go to the Effective Permissions tab and enter in the id's you want to check. It will show you in detail what permissions that ID has. If you're giving full permissions, the only thing I can think of that might be happening is that there is some policy set regarding permissions in the root directory of secondary disk drives that is overriding your 'full permissions' entry. Someone with more sysadmin experience will have to walk you through that. Here's the step by step for debugging filemon.exe http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;890960&spid=6351 otherwise you'll go blind... lots of info... Best of luck, Rose > > > Cheers > > Ken > > Thanks Ken! > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From philip at turmel.org Mon Dec 20 07:14:49 2004 From: philip at turmel.org (Phil Turmel) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:14:49 -0500 Subject: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. Message-ID: <41C6D049.9010103@turmel.org> Craig said: : set objFSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") : set objFolder = objFSO.GetFolder("M:\") : : for each item in objFolder.subfolders : response.write item.size & "
" : next Keep in mind that reading the .size property of a folder object triggers a full recursive scan to generate the total size in that folder... you must have permissions to EVERYTHING in that folder or it will blow you off. This is troublesome on a root folder, as Windows tends to create some things with odd rights, particularly the swap file and recycler stuff. In lieu of the single line response.write, try this: if item.IsRootFolder then Set objDrv = objFSO.GetDrive(item.Drive) response.write (objDrv.TotalSize-objDrv.AvailableSpace) & "
" else response.write item.size & "
" end if HTH, Phil Turmel From cd-ml at aardvark.net.au Mon Dec 20 08:14:26 2004 From: cd-ml at aardvark.net.au (Craig) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:44:26 +0930 Subject: [thelist] ASP FSO problem. References: <41C6D049.9010103@turmel.org> Message-ID: <002201c4e69e$37c316d0$1a00a8c0@FX1> > Keep in mind that reading the .size property of a folder object triggers a > full recursive scan to generate the total size in that folder... you must > have permissions to EVERYTHING in that folder or it will blow you off. > This is troublesome on a root folder, as Windows tends to create some > things with odd rights, particularly the swap file and recycler stuff. :) spot on, thanks! I could kick myself, I should have put that together myself. Thanks to Rose and Ken as well for pointing me to Filemon, as this is reporting that the permission denied is happening due to the recycle bin on that drive. Is there any way to delete a recycle bin on a drive? or even disable it on the drive altogether? Thanks, Craig. From bgilbertnc at mindspring.com Mon Dec 20 08:18:24 2004 From: bgilbertnc at mindspring.com (bgilbertnc at mindspring.com) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:18:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [thelist] jump menu form question(s) Message-ID: <504630.1103552305490.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Hello, I am creating a jump menu form, and when you click the little down arrow, the menu choices rise up above the menu instead of below it like I want. How can I correct this? Also, how can I have the default text inside the form be 'menu name' instead of being the first jump to choice?? TIA Bruce Gilbert webmaster DPS From peter at easylistbox.com Mon Dec 20 08:59:29 2004 From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:59:29 -0600 Subject: [thelist] jump menu form question(s) In-Reply-To: <504630.1103552305490.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003001c4e6a4$83492350$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> What's a jump menu? -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org On Behalf Of bgilbertnc at mindspring.com Hello, I am creating a jump menu form, and when you click the little down arrow, the menu choices rise up above the menu instead of below it like I want. How can I correct this? Also, how can I have the default text inside the form be 'menu name' instead of being the first jump to choice?? TIA Bruce Gilbert webmaster DPS From webmaster at cmaza.net Mon Dec 20 09:08:25 2004 From: webmaster at cmaza.net (Caleb Mazalevskis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:08:25 +0800 Subject: [thelist] jump menu form question(s) In-Reply-To: <504630.1103552305490.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <504630.1103552305490.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41C6EAE9.2000006@cmaza.net> Hi Bruce. You can force an option to be selected by default simply by adding a selected="selected" into your option field. In this case, you will want to add this to your option with the value "menu name". Off the top of my head without looking at any code or references, I can think of three likely reasons why your menu is going up rather than down. 1. Have you enabled multiple select? This may change the way the menu is displayed. 2. Do you have any CSS targetted at your menu? If so, check that you haven't specified the menu to rise upwards rather than drop downwards. 3. Where abouts it the menu positioned on the screen? Number three is the most likely reason, as browsers will change the direction a menu drops if the default direction conflicts with screen resolution borders. If these three things don't help, feel free to drop your code down the line. :) -Caleb. bgilbertnc at mindspring.com wrote: > Hello, > > I am creating a jump menu form, and when you click the little down arrow, the menu choices rise up above the menu instead of below it like I want. How can I correct this? Also, how can I have the default text inside the form be 'menu name' instead of being the first jump to choice?? > > TIA > > Bruce Gilbert > webmaster > DPS From webmaster at cmaza.net Mon Dec 20 09:22:18 2004 From: webmaster at cmaza.net (Caleb Mazalevskis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:22:18 +0800 Subject: [thelist] Strategic Advertising Message-ID: <41C6EE2A.3020102@cmaza.net> Hello. I was hoping to seek advice on methods of mailing list advertisement, if anyone has any knowledge in that area. I operate a small mailing list called HitList (http://hitlist.cmaza.net/), primarily aimed at an audience wanting to discuss content on my website, discuss any topics based on or arising from my website (such as music and digital art), but I don't feel it's reaching it's target audience all that strongely. What's the best way to go about advertising my mailing list? Usually if it's a forum or such, you could generate traffic by posting at other forums of similar interest, operate forum affiliation programs or add links in your signature on forums you reside at etcetra. I know a few methods of advertising those sort of things... but I don't really have much experience advertising mailing lists. They arn't accessable in the same terms of browser based discussion mediums in the sense you can't just load a page, read onwards, track a topic of intrigue, reply etectra (you get the idea). At first I was thinking news groups... but most news groups don't tolerate advertising (or the less coated way of putting it, spam), unless ofcourse that's the sort of news group they are in which case you probably don't want their redirected traffic anyway. Word of mouth works extremely well in this instance I've discovered, and probably better for mailing lists that it does for browser based discussion mediums, but that can only go so far as if it's word of mouth, your more likely to just talk to the person anyway and the point of joining is kind of defeated for the consumer. Take in mind that I don't have a revenue of money to spend and would rather hear about methods that don't cost money. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks. -Caleb. From webmaster at cmaza.net Mon Dec 20 09:29:57 2004 From: webmaster at cmaza.net (Caleb Mazalevskis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:29:57 +0800 Subject: [thelist] FORMs question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C6EFF5.70600@cmaza.net> Rosalie Sennett wrote: > However... they work in IE and I think OPERA too... so depends up on how > well you know your constituents. If it gives you any trouble, maybe try playing around with it a bit... I find CSS works quite well cross-browser and doesn't generally give much trouble. An alternative (shouldn't be any different in the sense of how it operates, but it will globalise the scrollbars throughout your page by body and make it generally look nicer) would be to just set the scrollbar CSS how I've done it below, and set the colours for different aspects of the scrollbar how you see fit. :) -Caleb. From webmaster at cmaza.net Mon Dec 20 09:31:48 2004 From: webmaster at cmaza.net (Caleb Mazalevskis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:31:48 +0800 Subject: [thelist] jump menu form question(s) In-Reply-To: <003001c4e6a4$83492350$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> References: <003001c4e6a4$83492350$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> Message-ID: <41C6F064.7060400@cmaza.net> Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote: > What's a jump menu? A jump menu is a phrase to describe a html drop down menu that allows onSelect page navigation. From apatheticgenius at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 09:34:31 2004 From: apatheticgenius at gmail.com (apathetic) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:34:31 +0000 Subject: [thelist] jump menu form question(s) In-Reply-To: <504630.1103552305490.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <504630.1103552305490.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <228691b70412200734640902d5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:18:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00), bgilbertnc at mindspring.com wrote: > I am creating a jump menu form, and when you click the little down arrow, the menu > choices rise up above the menu instead of below it like I want. How can I correct this? This is usual behaviour when the select box is near the bottom of the page, and there is no way to "correct" it without moving it higher. > Also, how can I have the default text inside the form be 'menu name' instead of being the > first jump to choice?? Add an empty option as the first item in the select box: Tim -- Elaborate - Free PHP/MySQL wiki engine http://www.apatheticgenius.com/projects/elaborate/ From rita at crisafidesign.com Mon Dec 20 10:11:55 2004 From: rita at crisafidesign.com (Rita Crisafi) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:11:55 -0500 Subject: [thelist] javascript help Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20041220110059.0552ee00@crisafidesign.com> http://www.andreasbrickoven.com/test/menu.html I had all kinds of crazy specs from this client and i know that the images are large (didn't design it). The client wanted menu stuff to scroll on the page, so I found a simple javascript that scrolls content in an iframe for this page. > What i didn't realize at the time, is that it only works in IE and not firefox or netscape. Does anyone know of why and if there is any kind of modification i can make so that it will work in other browsers? From avorio at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 10:15:48 2004 From: avorio at gmail.com (Andre Avorio) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:15:48 -0200 Subject: [thelist] Strategic Advertising In-Reply-To: <41C6EE2A.3020102@cmaza.net> References: <41C6EE2A.3020102@cmaza.net> Message-ID: <7928606f0412200815325140d8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Caleb! On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:22:18 +0800, Caleb Mazalevskis wrote: > They arn't accessable in the same terms of browser based discussion > mediums in the sense you can't just load a page, read onwards, track a > topic of intrigue, reply etectra (you get the idea). I think this is the point. If you make the messages indexable (~ web archive), people will find (and link) them. Finding them and becoming interested in the subjects that are discussed by the list, they'll want to know more about the it.. aa From mr.sanders at designshift.com Mon Dec 20 10:17:30 2004 From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:17:30 -0400 Subject: [thelist] FORMs question In-Reply-To: <41C5F6B2.8000908@wanadoo.fr> References: <000001c4e611$c8dc74a0$6401a8c0@VAIO3> <41C5F6B2.8000908@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <41C6FB1A.8050208@designshift.com> > If you use disabled then the input won't be transmitted when the form is > submitted. > If you use contenteditable="false" the input will be transmitted. I don't see this attribute in the W3C specs - is it a standard attribute? Will it work cross-browser? -- Sarah Sweeney Web Developer & Programmer Portfolio :: http://sarah.designshift.com Blog, etc :: http://hardedge.ca -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.1 - Release Date: 12/20/2004 From ox4dboy at comcast.net Mon Dec 20 10:27:54 2004 From: ox4dboy at comcast.net (Jono) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:27:54 -0500 Subject: [thelist] mailto links & Outlook subjects In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20041218005643.01cb2ca8@mx.delime.com> References: <005c01c4e463$a80a0260$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <005c01c4e463$a80a0260$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse> <4.2.0.58.20041218005643.01cb2ca8@mx.delime.com> Message-ID: <19E98A26-52A4-11D9-AC14-000A95A59E8A@comcast.net> On Dec 18, 2004, at 12:00 AM, M. Seyon wrote: >> Now, whether mailto: links with query strings are to be recommended >> is another story...! > > *cough* *cough* > > -marc I have changed direction with the email links I originally asked about. So, here's some cough medicine that I am prescribing: And for the link: I found this solution here: http://www.bronze-age.com/nospam/ This technique is supposed to slip past Harvesters. I am not sure how true that is, but it is way better than mailto:. It does rely on Javascript, but in my situation the client did not even want their email address linked (to avoid SPAM bots/harvesters) so with Javascript off/disabled it will could be just plain text, BUT I think I will need to add